[IV.31. Ordinance for Use Permit Application, Petition #P2024U-001-12 Applicant Neal Morrison Request for Habitable Accessory Structure Per Section 10-2130 Zoning Code Located at 1388 Wadley Avenue (PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED)]

WADLEY. THANK YOU. KIMBERLY SMITH. MR. LEE KELLY, PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1388 WADLEY AVENUE. IT'S KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER P2024U-001-1 12. THIS IS.

I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING. DUE TO TIME. THIS CASE IS A USE PERMIT. AS STATED THE APPLICANT IS NEIL MORRISON. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS OUR R-1, A ZONING DISTRICT. IT'S KNOWN AS URBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A HABITABLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PURSUANT TO SECTION TEN DASH 2130 OF OUR ZONING CODE. AS STATED, THE CURRENT ZONING IS URBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS OUR

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R-1. A THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS TRADITIONAL URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THE TRADITIONAL URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TYPICAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THAT ARE LOCATED HERE ARE R1, RL, R1, R2, R2, AND R3. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS R1 A AS STATED. USE AND SCALE HAVE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE TYPICAL USES IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CASE WITH ONE CONDITION, AND THIS ITEM WILL GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON THURSDAY FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION. THE APPLICANT GOES TO THEM WHEN? ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY THE 13TH. WAS THE APPLICANT'S NAME. THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. SO, SIR, TONIGHT IS JUST. YOU CAN COME FORWARD. TONIGHT IS THE WORK SESSION DISCUSSION SO WE WON'T TAKE ACTION TONIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON MONDAY. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND IT WILL GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING THIS WEEK. YOU. IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US, YOU CAN AND THEN COUNCIL MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO ANSWER. THANKS VERSUS STAFF I JUST I'M GONNA HOLD THIS DOWN OR DO I DO I NEED TO HOLD THIS? NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HOLD IT. AS LONG AS IT'S PRESSED. I'M GONNA GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE FIRST, AND THEN I'LL LET YOU SHARE. USUALLY IT GOES BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IS THERE A REASON WHY IT DIDN'T GO BEFORE IT CAME HERE? EXCUSE ME. YES. THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY IN ADVERTISING. IT HAD TO BE RE-ADVERTISED. AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THIS THURSDAY. SO IT CAN STAY ON TRACK TO COME BEFORE YOU ON MONDAY. OKAY. AND.

OKAY. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? MA'AM, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? NEIL MORRISON, MR. MORRISON, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. YEAH, THIS IS MY SINGLE FAMILY HOME HERE IN EAST POINT. MYSELF AND MY WIFE ARE SEEKING TO CONVERT THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE INTO AN ADU. MY LETTER OF INTENT HAS SOME OF THE SPECS OF THE HOUSE AND THE PROJECT. THE CURRENT HOUSE IS HAS 1930 ONE SQUARE FEET. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS 25FT ABOVE THE GROUND. THE INTENDED ADU WILL BE ON TOP OF THE EXISTING GARAGE, AND IT WILL BE 201FT■!S. IT'S ST IN TEN FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL.

IT ACTUALLY WILL BE ABOUT NINE FEET, BUT BUT NO HIGHER THAN TEN FEET. AND THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED ADU WILL BE 22FT ABOVE THE GROUND LEVEL. IT WILL ACTUALLY BE ABOUT 21FT ABOVE THE GROUND LEVEL. SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE ADU IS 365FT■!S. THE GARAGE IS 201FT■!S, BUT THE ADU ON TOP OF THE GARAGE WILL BE 365FT■!S. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN YOU ARE LOOKING. I GUESS. THE LARGE MASSES, THE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE TO THE RIGHT IS THE ROAD, THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THE RECTANGULAR OBJECT. IN THE BACK IS THE DETACHED GARAGE AND THE STAIRWELL ATTACHED TO THAT, WITH A DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THIS, THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING OF THE OF THE ADU. LET ME SEE IF THE NEXT ELEVATION IS PRESENT THERE. I THINK IT MAY. OH NO IT DIDN'T.

SO YEAH I, I'D ACTUALLY SENT A SLIDE DECK BUT YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT ONE. SO WHAT I WOULD YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION I GOT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR THE, THE THERE ARE DIMENSIONS ON THAT. THE UPPER LEFT ELEVATION, IT IS SEVEN FOOT TO THE TOP OF THE GARAGE. THERE'S A 12 INCH SPACE BETWEEN FLOORS, AND THEN THERE IS AN EIGHT FOOT ELEVATION FOR THE UPPER LEVEL. AND THE SLOPE OF THAT ROOF IS, IT SAYS 12 OVER FOUR. SO EVERY 12FT YOU GO UP TO FOUR FEET. THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE ADU IS 12FT. SO THE HEIGHT, THE PITCH OF THE ROOF IS ONLY TWO FEET ABOVE THAT, THAT STRUCTURE. SO IN TOTAL YOU'VE GOT SEVEN, EIGHT, 16, 17, 18FT

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APPROXIMATELY IN HEIGHT THAT, THAT THAT THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE SPANNING. THAT'S JUST EVIDENCE OF THE MAILERS THAT WE SENT OUT. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. YOU SAID WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE, YOU'VE BEEN BEFORE US BEFORE. WHAT DO WE HAVE BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION? THIS CASE CAME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE. WAS IT DEFERRED OR. I MEAN, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS WEEK. THE THURSDAY MEETING IS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING DUE TO A ADVERTISING DISCREPANCY. SO HE'S BEEN BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JANUARY. OKAY. ANY I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IS LIGHT ON FOR ANY QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND SHARING THIS WITH US ON MONDAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD REGARDING THIS AND PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION, AND YOU'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. AND SO IT'LL BE ON OUR AGENDA FOR MONDAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM ME? NO. MONDAY WILL BE WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND IF YOU WANT TO SHARE THIS AGAIN, YOU CAN OR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, THAT GOES TO THE AGENDA. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE FOR. PAY AND

[II.3. Pay and Classification Study Update]

COMPENSATION STUDY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE. LAST NON STAFF IS THE ITEM NUMBER 17 WHICH I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT. SO I'LL GET CLARITY WHILE THIS IS GOING ON. MISS JESSIE I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR PAYING COMPENSATION. MADAM MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MARK HOLCOMB, MARK HOLCOMB IS HERE TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON PHASE TWO OF THE COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY. HE'S GOING TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR OUR NEWER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR IN PHASE TWO.

MARK, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME BACK. I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU THIS EVENING. I WILL BE COVERING A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE DID IN THE PHASE ONE PART OF THE STUDY, JUST AS A RECAP, OR TO BRING PEOPLE UP TO SPEED WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE WHEN I CAME OUT LAST YEAR. A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES TO PRESENT AND SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PHASE ONE OF THE COMPENSATION STUDY. WE'LL ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT THE PHASE TWO. LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THAT AND WHAT PROGRESS WE'VE MADE SO FAR, AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE COMING UP AS WELL. SO WITH THE PHASE ONE RECAP THAT WE HAVE AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POSITIONS, PRIMARILY BLUE COLLAR WERE THE ONES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT PHASE ONE STUDY. THOSE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO DESIGNATIONS WERE MADE BY THE CITY AND REQUESTED FOR US TO PROCEED WITH THE PHASE ONE INITIALLY, AND THEN COME BACK AND COMPLETE THE REST OF THE ORGANIZATION IN PHASE TWO. SO FOR PHASE ONE, WE DID ESTABLISH A $20 MINIMUM CITYWIDE WAGE. AS A RESULT OF THAT PHASE ONE STUDY, WE DID ESTABLISH A NEW PAY SCALE AS WELL, GOVERNING PAY FOR EACH OF THOSE POSITIONS. SO NOT JUST THE MINIMUM OF THE $20, BUT GOVERNING THE OTHER POSITIONS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE COMPLEX OR HAD ADDITIONAL LEADERSHIP, ETC, THAT WOULD HAVE CAUSED THEM TO BE AT A HIGHER PAY SCALE. WE DID HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CRITICAL SET OF CLASSIFICATIONS IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY FOR RECRUITING, RETENTION, OR OTHER CONCERNS THAT ALLOWED THEM TO RECEIVE A COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENT IN ADDITION TO THE PAY RANGE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE RECOMMENDED. SO THOSE COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENTS WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT HOW LONG AN EMPLOYEE WAS IN THE CLASSIFICATION, HOW LONG THEY HAD BEEN WITH THE CITY OVERALL, AND BASICALLY MADE SURE THAT NOT EVERYBODY WAS STUCK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PAY RANGE. AND SO DUE TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO APPLY THAT TO EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE. BUT THAT CRITICAL SET DID RECEIVE THAT ADDITIONAL COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENT IN THE PHASE ONE IMPLEMENTATION. SO IN PHASE TWO AGAIN WE ARE LOOKING TO COME AND REVIEW THE REST OF THE CLASSIFICATIONS OF THE CITY IN ORDER TO BRING EVERYBODY INTO A CONSISTENT STATE HERE, BENCHMARKING THOSE PHASE TWO POSITIONS AGAINST THE MARKET.

I'M NOT WANTING TO USE OLD DATA FROM PHASE ONE. AGAIN, WE WENT OUT AND COLLECTED THE INFORMATION AS IT HAS BEEN ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR AT YOUR PEERS, AND SOME OF YOUR PEERS DID MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THIS UPCOMING OR THIS THIS CURRENT YEAR THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. SO WE DID COLLECT MARKET INFORMATION AS WELL. WE ARE LOOKING TO AMEND THE PLAN THAT WE RECOMMENDED FOR SOME CLASSIFICATIONS IN PHASE ONE, IN ORDER TO BRING EVERYBODY INTO

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THAT PLAN IN PHASE TWO, AGAIN, TO GIVE YOU THAT CONSISTENCY CITYWIDE AND THEN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON, AGAIN, NOT JUST PUTTING PEOPLE INTO THE PLAN, BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE HYBRID COMPRESSION ADJUSTMENT WE DID FOR PHASE ONE, REVIEWING DIFFERENT OPTIONS LIKE THAT, MAYBE NOT THE EXACT SAME ONE, BUT WE'LL SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE BEST APPROACH IS GOING TO BE FOR THE CITY. AGAIN, LOOKING CITYWIDE FOR ADJUSTMENTS OF EMPLOYEES INTO THE NEW PAY PLAN FOR PHASE TWO. SO IN THE PHASE TWO STUDY, WE DIVIDE IT UP INTO ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT PHASES.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS OR EXCUSE ME, NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE POSITIONS IN YOUR PHASE TWO STUDY IS GOING TO BE COMPARED TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CITIES. WE LOOK BASED ON FIT, BASED ON JOB SCOPE AND JOB DUTIES. TO SEE IS THE SAME PERSON OR IS THE PERSON YOU HAVE OPERATING IN IN EAST POINT HERE? ARE THEY PERFORMING THE SAME ROLE AND THE SAME DUTIES THAT THEY WOULD BE AT THE PEER ORGANIZATION BEFORE WE MAKE A COMPARISON? SO AGAIN, JUST RIGHT AT THE TOP, YOU'VE GOT ATLANTA.

SOME OF THEIR JOBS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT JUST BY VIRTUE OF SIZE FROM WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.

BUT OTHER JOBS ARE GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR. IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SOMEBODY WHO'S A MECHANIC, IF THEY'RE WORKING HERE OR THEY'RE WORKING THERE, THE JOB MAY NOT BE THAT DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, SOME DIFFERENT VEHICLES, ETC, BUT THERE MAY BE A HIGH DEGREE OF OVERLAP BETWEEN THOSE JOBS. YOU CAN LOOK AT A PUBLIC SAFETY ROLE. YOU CAN LOOK AT AN ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT ROLE, ETC. SOME OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ON THERE ARE GOING TO BE VERY GOOD MATCHES FROM YOU, FROM A SIZE, POPULATION, BUDGET, DEMOGRAPHICS, ETC. AND SO AGAIN, THE COMPETITIVE MARKET AS A WHOLE DID RETURN AN EXCELLENT RESPONSE COUNT ABOUT 11.5 MATCHES PER POSITION. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT 20 MATCHES PER POSITION BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO FORCE A MATCH FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT DOING SIMILAR DUTIES TO YOU. BUT WE ARE ABLE TO COMPARE JOB DESCRIPTIONS VERSUS THE INFORMATION WE GATHERED FROM YOUR ORGANIZATION, BEING JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND JOB SURVEYS TO BASICALLY MATCH THOSE POSITIONS UP IN AN APPLES TO APPLES BASIS. SO THE MARKET RESULTS THEN HERE THESE SHOW YOUR RESULTS ESSENTIALLY ORGANIZATION WIDE FOR THE PHASE TWO CLASSIFICATIONS. HERE THE NEGATIVE DIFFERENTIAL SHOWS WHERE YOU ARE BEHIND THE MARKET. YOU'LL SEE OVER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS YOUR UNADJUSTED RESULTS. IF YOU DON'T COMPARE COST OF LIVING AT ALL, IF YOU SAID, HEY, WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL JUST DOLLARS THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING OVER? ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE? YOU SEE,

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THERE IS A SMALL ADJUSTMENT FOR COST OF LIVING, WHICH BASICALLY SHOWS THAT YOU ALL HAVE A SLIGHTLY HIGHER COST OF LIVING THAN THE AVERAGE PEER THAT WE COMPARE YOU TO. SO OBVIOUSLY YOUR PEERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, WE DON'T NEED TO ADJUST THOSE FOR COST OF LIVING, BUT SOME OF THE PEERS THAT WE DO COMPARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUTSIDE THE METRO AREA, WE DID ADJUST FOR COST OF LIVING TO REFLECT THE HIGHER COST THAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE HERE WITHIN CITY LIMITS. SO THAT NEGATIVE DIFFERENTIAL, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE AT THE MINIMUM OF THE PAY RANGE THAT REPRESENTS THE ENTRY LEVEL PAY FOR THESE PHASE TWO CLASSIFICATIONS. SO AGAIN THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ONES WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED IN PHASE ONE. BUT IN PHASE TWO YOU DO HAVE ABOUT A 17.5% DIFFERENTIAL AT THE MINIMUM, AND UP TO ABOUT A 30% DIFFERENTIAL AT THE MAXIMUM. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE MEDIAN RESULTS. SO THIS IS YOUR POSITION RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH MEANS HALF OF YOUR POSITIONS ARE FURTHER BELOW. BUT HALF OF YOUR POSITIONS ARE MORE COMPETITIVE THAN THIS. HALF YOUR POSITION IS DOING A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THIS IN THE MARKET. AND SO I DID WANT TO INDICATE, AGAIN, THE RESULTS ARE NOT UNIFORM ACROSS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THE AREAS WHERE WE DID SEE SOME HIGHER DIFFERENTIALS NOT UNIFORM IN THESE DEPARTMENTS EITHER. BUT WE SAW SOME HIGHER DIFFERENTIALS IN PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS, IT AND SOME OF YOUR DIRECTOR CLASSIFICATIONS WERE SOME OF THOSE THAT DID FALL FURTHEST BELOW THE MARKET. SO WITH THE NEXT STEPS ESSENTIALLY WHERE ARE WE NOW AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO DO NEXT? SOLUTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING WORKED ON INTERNALLY AT EVERGREEN. WE EXPECT TO HAVE THOSE READY TO SHARE AND COME BACK WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AND SO WE ARE WORKING WITH YOUR CITY STAFF AGAIN TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE MOST UP TO DATE CURRENT INFORMATION AND DATA AS WE WORK ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AGAIN, THE DATA SETS THAT WE'VE USED, OBVIOUSLY, YOU MAY HAVE HAD PROMOTIONS OR NEW HIRES OR SEPARATIONS, AND SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THE DATA IS AS CURRENT AS WE CAN GET IT. BUT WE WILL HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO COME BACK AND SHARE AGAIN. WITHIN A MATTER OF WEEKS. WE WILL HAVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO AGAIN, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE LAST YEAR, YOU'LL REMEMBER AGAIN, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE CAN MODEL AND ESSENTIALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED AND IS ABLE TO WORK, YOU KNOW, THROUGH FISCAL CONSTRAINTS OR WHATEVER OTHER CONCERNS THE CITY MAY HAVE. SO WE'LL WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS AND OTHER FACTORS HERE AT THE CITY. AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND A FINAL WRITTEN REPORT TO CONVEY THAT INFORMATION TO YOU ALL, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE YOU SHOULD DO. THEN WE'LL HAVE JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND PROJECT FINALIZATIONS AGAIN FOLLOWING THAT IMPLEMENTATION. SO WE'LL PRESENT OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. AND AGAIN, ONCE THOSE ARE FINALIZED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY SOLIDIFY THE REST OF THE PROJECT AND PROVIDE THOSE FINAL DELIVERABLES OVER TO CITY STAFF.

SO THAT WAS THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR GO BACK TO ANY SLIDES. IF THERE'S SOMETHING ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IN MORE DETAIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE NEXT STEP SLIDE. SO WHEN ARE YOU COMING PLANNING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN MARCH OR APRIL? APRIL, APRIL? I'LL DEFER TO CITY STAFF ON THIS. AND MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE TALKED ABOUT COMING BACK FOR THE WORK SESSION IN MARCH. IS THAT THE TIME THAT YOU'LL BE AWAY? HOW WHO'S ALL PLANNING TO GO TO NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES? YEAH. SO WE WON'T HAVE QUORUM. SO WE'LL HAVE TO IF IT COMES IN MARCH. WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS COME MARCH THE 3RD MONDAY IN MARCH WILL BE A HEAVY MEETING BECAUSE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO COME TO WORK SESSION WILL GO TO THAT MEETING. AND SO IF IT'S IN MARCH, IT WOULD BE FOR THE MARCH 17TH MEETING, WHICH IS A COUNCIL MEETING, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE.

IT COULD BE STILL TREATED AS A WORK SESSION MEETING. IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION THAT NIGHT, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PUT IT TO LATER. IS THAT DATE AVAILABLE? MARCH 17TH. IT IS RIGHT NOW. YEAH.

I'M, I'M PUTTING THAT IN MY CALENDAR NOW JUST AS A PLACEHOLDER. AND SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE HAPPY TO COME BACK ON THAT DATE IF THAT WORKS. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. MARCH 17TH.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW AND THE NEXT STEPS. SO WE CAN ANTICIPATE WHEN WE WOULD BE GETTING MORE INFORMATION. AND THEN BASED UPON THIS. ONCE YOU PRESENT TO US THE

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RECOMMENDATIONS, IS THE JOB DESCRIPTION FINALIZATION. IS THAT REQUIRED BEFORE US MAKING A DECISION. OR IS IT ANTICIPATED THAT COUNCIL MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION IN MARCH THAT COULD GO ALONG WITH THE FINALIZATION OF JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND ALL OF THAT? SO THE THING WE NEED BEFORE WE CAN FINALIZE JOB DESCRIPTIONS IS JUST APPROVAL FROM CITY STAFF ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE MADE FROM A CLASSIFICATION PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS. WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE THOSE TO CITY STAFF TO ENSURE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND UPDATES WE HAVE. BASED ON THE JOB SURVEYS WE COLLECTED FROM EMPLOYEES, WE WOULD PROVIDE THOSE OVER TO CITY STAFF. SO IT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND DECISION AROUND THAT. AND YOU'RE THINKING, THAT'S MARCH 17TH. AND THEN AFTER THAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND PROJECT FINALIZATION. SO THE CHARTER DOES GIVE COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE THE DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS OF ALL POSITIONS IN THE CITY. AND SO AT THE MARCH 17TH MEETING, WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE JOB DESCRIPTIONS BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY FINALIZED AND SHARE IT WITH. WITH STAFF OR USED FOR JOB POSITIONS. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT POSITION CHARTER PROVISION, BUT I'VE HAD TO READ IT SEVERAL TIMES SO I KNOW IT'S THERE SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE 17TH THOUGH.

SURE. AND MADAM MAYOR, WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD IN SOME TIME FOR US TO MEET WITH EMPLOYEES LIKE WE DID IN PHASE ONE. WE WOULD GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE IMPACTED EMPLOYEES JUST TO GIVE THEM SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED. PRETTY MUCH THE MECHANICS OF THE STUDY AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THE STUDY. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT STAFF ENGAGEMENT SHOULD HAPPEN BEFORE IT COMES TO US. WE DON'T WANT TO OFFER THEM SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW. SO WE WOULD PREFER THE STAFF ENGAGEMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE SURVEYS. EXCUSE ME. WHAT HAS STAFF BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS UP TO NOW? WAS THAT THROUGH THE SURVEYS? SO WE MET WITH THEM WITH EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE HELD FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS WITH THEM IN PERSON, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAD THE VIRTUAL SURVEYS THAT THEY GOT TO PARTICIPATE IN. SO THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING US DATA. THEY HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM US IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATIONS OR RESULTS YET. SO THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC SETTING, I BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED THAT STAFF COULD HAVE HEARD AS FAR AS RESULTS. OKAY, SO WE CAN DISCUSS ON MARCH 17TH WHETHER ONCE WE GET THE RECOMMENDATION, IF WE WANT MORE STAFF INVOLVEMENT BEFORE WE DECIDE OR AFTER. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU MARK. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. HAVE A NICE NIGHT. YOU TOO. ITEM NUMBER 17, I THINK IS THE LAST ONE WITH

[IV.17. Request Council Review and Approval of Cooper Carry as the Selected Firm to Provide Professional Architectural Engineering Design and Construction Administration Services for the New Ward D Recreational Center in the Amount Not to Exceed $2,061,250.00: FUNDING SOURCE Hotel Motel Tax (TPD FUNDS)]

NON STAFF PARTICIPANTS. MISS JESSIE, MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE ADVISED YOU THAT WE WERE ISSUING A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES FOR THE NEW WARD D RECREATION CENTER AND STAFF IS HERE. SO LAURA PINKETT IS HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE RESULTS. I HAVE A QUESTION.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING THE FIRM COOPER CARRY, WHO'S DONE AN AMAZING JOB IS TO THIS POINT. THIS TIME LAST YEAR, WE DID A SOLICITATION TO SOLICIT ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS FOR THE ENGINEERING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT WORK FOR THIS PROJECT. THEY WERE THE WINNER. I HAVE THEM HERE TONIGHT TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR PROCESSES. ON LAST MONTH, WE PRESENTED A PROPOSED TIMELINE BASED ON FEBRUARY START DATE. IF COUNCIL APPROVES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FIRST PHASE OF THE PROJECT.

I KNOW TONIGHT THAT SHANNON GOLDEN WILL BE PRESENTING THE FINANCE TEAM TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS. I THINK THAT WAS PRESENTATION NUMBER FOUR, ITEM NUMBER FOUR. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THEM FORWARD TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN OFFER US IN THIS SPACE. WE'RE BUILDING THIS RECREATION CENTER. ALL RIGHT. I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU TODAY. OKAY. SO I HAVE MISS

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SOPHIA, THE PRINCIPAL FOR COOPER. CARRIE AND I WILL PULL THIS ITEM UP, AND WE CAN KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT. MISS. IS JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT SHE.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE MULTIPLEX PROJECT WITH YOU. OUR AGENDA TODAY WILL BE BRIEF IN RESPECT OF YOUR TIME. AS YOU MENTIONED, MY NAME IS SOPHIA TAKIN. I AM WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM COOPER CARRY, AND I ALSO HAVE HERE WITH ME MASSARO WILLIAMS, MY COLLEAGUE. SHE'S AN ARCHITECT AS WELL, AND SHE'S ALSO A RESIDENT OF EAST POINT. AND SO OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE AGENDA. WE'RE JUST GOING TO KIND OF INTRODUCE OUR TEAM. THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE APPROACH THAT WE PROPOSE FOR THIS PROJECT, AND THEN WE'LL BE OPEN FOR Q&A. AND SO NOW FOR OUR TEAM COOPER CARRY HAS BEEN CONNECTING PEOPLE TO PLACE FOR OVER 65 YEARS. WE CONSIDER OURSELVES MORE THAN JUST AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM. WE CONSIDER OURSELVES A DESIGN FIRM. BY THAT, WE HAVE ARCHITECTS, IN-HOUSE INTERIOR DESIGNERS, IN-HOUSE GRAPHIC DESIGNERS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, URBAN PLANNERS ALL UNDER ONE ROOF. PRETTY MUCH ALL THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS THAT AFFECT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. WE ARE ALSO A TEAM OF OVER 250 STRONG. WE HAVE FIVE OFFICES ACROSS THE NATION, AND LET US JUST SHOW YOU HOW THIS WILL BENEFIT YOU. WE ARE ORGANIZED ACCORDING TO WHAT WE CALL THE MIXED USE ECOSYSTEM. LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, IN-HOUSE INTERIOR DESIGNERS, ARCHITECTS, BRANDING, ETC. WE'RE ALSO ORGANIZED OVER SEVERAL STUDIOS AS YOU SEE THERE, K THROUGH 12 GOVERNMENT, SCIENCE AND TECH.

HIRE AN EDITOR AND THEN WE HAVE A PLETHORA OF THESE PROFESSIONALS AND THEY FUNCTION SPECIFICALLY IN THESE DIFFERENT STUDIOS THAT WE'VE MENTIONED. AND BY THEM FUNCTIONING IN THESE DIFFERENT STUDIOS, THEY HAVE EXPERTISE ON THE RELATED AND ASSOCIATED SPACES. AND SO FROM THIS TEAM, WE'RE ABLE TO CURATE A SPECIAL TEAM JUST FOR THIS PROJECT THAT CAN FOCUS ON THE SPACES AND DIAL IN SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT. AND SO NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE APPROACH AND METHODOLOGY FOR THE PROJECT. WE HAVE A44I PROCESS, INVESTIGATE, ILLUMINATE INNOVATE AND IMPLEMENT. AND SO LET'S WALK YOU THROUGH EACH ONE WITH INVESTIGATE. THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO DO IS GATHER ALL THE FACTS. SO IT IS A PORTION OF THE LISTENING SESSION. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT ALL DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU HAVE RELATIVE TO THE PROJECT, ANY PAST STUDIES THAT YOU HAVE. WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE, THE SURROUNDING AREAS, MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITE. THEN THE NEXT THING THAT WE'LL DO IS THE ILLUMINATE PHASE. GO ON TO THE NEXT. AND THIS IS WHERE WE BEGIN TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS. NOW WHAT WE DO FIRST IS WE START OFF WITH A KICK OFF MEETING, AND IN THAT KICK OFF MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN THESE ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS. SO THE FIRST QUESTION WE HAVE FOR YOU WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS, LET ME JUST PAUSE YOU RIGHT FOR A QUICK SECOND, BECAUSE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OTHER PROPOSALS SUBMITTED, AND I DON'T THINK EVERYONE WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL BEFORE BEING SELECTED.

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AND SO I JUST ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF THAT IS A QUESTION OR AN ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF IN THE SHE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT IN THE SOLICITATION THERE WAS A PRESENTATION COMPONENT TO IT, AND SO I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY. I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THE SOLICITATION PROCESS, BECAUSE A VENDOR HAS NOT BEEN SELECTED. AND THERE WERE THREE, SIX, NINE PROPOSALS SUBMITTED FOR THIS SOLICITATION. AND SO ATTORNEY WIGGINS. YES, MADAM MAYOR, I THINK THAT IF THE SOLICIT THE IF THE COUNCIL HAS NOT SELECTED A VENDOR YET, THAT THIS PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AFTER THE SELECTION, AFTER THE VOTE IS HAD, AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING THE RECOMMENDED. I RECOGNIZE THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT CERTAINLY COULD IMPACT THE CITY'S VOTE. I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AFTER A VOTE, UNLESS ALL VENDORS ARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. OKAY, WE WENT THROUGH THE SOLICITATION PROCESS, AS YOU STATED, MULTIPLE VENDORS ACTUALLY BID ON THE PROJECT. WE CAN X THIS PARTICULAR PIECE. THE WHOLE GOAL IS FOR US TO ONBOARD THE FIRM THAT WAS AWARDED THROUGH THE SOLICITATION PROCESS. THAT'S THE THING A FIRM HASN'T BEEN AWARDED UNTIL COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION.

OKAY, SO TONIGHT THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE AS TO WHO SCORED HIGHER. I THINK THEY WERE 11. HIGHER THAN THE NEXT HIGHEST. AND THEN THE THERE WERE 87 OR 80 6 OR 81. EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN THE 70S. AND SO IF COUNCIL HAD ALREADY MADE A DECISION, WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE IS JUST MADE A RECOMMENDATION. AND AT THIS POINT, IF WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM ONE VENDOR AND THERE WERE EIGHT OTHERS, WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES IN A SITUATION FOR A BID PROTEST. TO SPEAK TODAY. THIS SO. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR YOU ALL WAITING. I WAS TRYING TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO THE PRESENTATION, BUT TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE SOLICITATION PROCESS THAT HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE, IF YOU ALL ARE AVAILABLE TO COME ON MONDAY THE 17TH, IN THE EVENT THAT COUNCIL DECIDES TO AWARD THE PRESENTATION. I THINK FROM WHAT OUR ATTORNEY IS SAYING, IF THAT DECISION IS MADE AND IF YOU ARE SELECTED, THEN IT COULD BE PRESENTED, THEN AM I CORRECT, ATTORNEY WIGGINS, AT THAT MEETING ON THE 17TH? OR IF THAT MEETING DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU ALL, YOU COULD COME BACK TO A FUTURE MEETING LIKE OUR FIRST MEETING IN MARCH. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO. THIS SHOULD GO TO THE AGENDA IN THE EVENT THAT.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE OTHER NON STAFFER THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE. ARE YOU WITH COOPER

[II.4. Multi-Generational Recreational Center Financing Presentation]

CARRY? NO, MA'AM. OKAY, GREAT. WE ARE GETTING TO YOUR PRESENTATION NOW. WE'RE AT FOUR RIGHT. SO YOU ARE RIGHT IN LINE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE WITH ITEM NUMBER 17. YEAH. I THINK BECAUSE THE FINANCING KIND OF ROLLS IN WITH THE PROJECT, THEY WANTED TO SIT TOGETHER WITH WHICH WHICH WHICH ITEM? FOUR COMPANY ARE YOU FROM? DAVENPORT AND COMPANY. OUR BUNKHOUSE. THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR. FINANCIAL ADVISORS. OKAY. THIS IS REGARDING THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED AT THE LAST WORK SESSION ABOUT HOW THE FINANCING WAS GOING TO GET DONE. OKAY. AND SO, MADAM MAYOR, WITH THAT, IF I COULD, MY NAME IS COURTNEY ROGERS WITH DAVENPORT AND COMPANY. I THINK WE PRESENTED BACK IN THE FALL WHEN WE HAD THE UNDERWRITERS AS WELL. AND SO IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO GET DONE, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO WALK YOU THROUGH. I'VE GOT BASICALLY A BAKER'S DOZEN SLIDES. I JUST TOOK A FEW OUT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A BIG, BUSY AGENDA, SO MR. GOLDEN JUST REPLACED IT AND GIVE JUST TO GO THROUGH A FEW QUICK THINGS. I'D LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE FINANCING OPTIONS PORTION IF YOU WOULD. THANK YOU. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF TIMELINE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF KEY THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN BEFORE THIS TIMELINE KICKS OFF, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A

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MOMENT. SO WE NEED ROUGHLY ABOUT 90 DAYS, 60 TO 90 DAYS TO GET A FINANCING IN PLACE. AND PART OF THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPING THE PLAN OF FINANCE. THEN LEGAL COUNSEL HAS TO PULL TOGETHER SOME SOME OF THEIR DOCUMENTS, THE BOND DOCUMENTS THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU FOR AUTHORIZATION. AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO GO TO THE RATING AGENCIES TO GET RATINGS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE BOND SALE AND CLOSE ON THE FINANCING. SO ONE OF THE QUESTION THAT YOU ALL ASKED WAS ABOUT HOW WE ACTUALLY GO ABOUT DOING THE BONDS. AND SO THIS IS A SLIDE THAT SHOWS YOU THE VARIOUS OPTIONS YOU HAVE UNDER THE STATUTES IN GEORGIA. YOU COULD GO TO REFERENDUM TO A GEO BOND. YOU COULD DO INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE OR INTERGOVERNMENTAL CONTRACT BONDS, SPLOST LEASE PURCHASE OR PURE REVENUE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD DO FOR LIKE WATER AND SEWER BONDS. YOU CAN'T DO SPLOST BECAUSE FULTON COUNTY DOESN'T DO SPLOST. SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE THE BIG X THERE. SO WITH NOT ASSUMING WE'RE NOT GOING TO REFERENDUM, WE HAVE INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE CONTRACT BONDS, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO ISSUE THROUGH THE EASTPOINT BUILDING AUTHORITY, WHICH WE DID BEFORE, AND WE DID SOME OF THE REFINANCINGS FOR YOU BACK IN 2017. OR YOU CAN ALSO USE THE EASTPOINT BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. I'VE TALKED WITH BOND COUNSEL, AND THEY SAID THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE OPTIONS. ESSENTIALLY YOU THESE EACH AUTHORITY SET UP AROUND THE STATE HAS CERTAIN PROJECTS THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO. IN YOUR CASE, IT'S VERY BROAD. THEY CAN BASICALLY DO ANY PROJECTS THAT SERVE THE PUBLIC PURPOSE. THE ONE KEY THING THAT I WANT TO KEEP, WANT YOU ALL TO KEEP IN MIND, IS THAT WE WILL NEED TO OWN THE PROPERTY. AS I UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE MEETINGS I LISTENED TO, I THINK IT WAS WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME, THE ONE OF THE PROJECTS, THE REC PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THERE'S AN MOU AND THE PROPERTY IS NOT QUITE IN YOUR NAME YET. WE'LL NEED TO GET THAT PROPERTY IN THE NAME OF THE CITY SO THAT IT CAN BE TRANSFERRED, BECAUSE THE AUTHORITY WILL NEED TO HOLD IT IN ORDER FOR IT TO WORK UNDER THE CODE. SO FROM FROM JUST A TIMING STANDPOINT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT, THAT WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL HERE, YOUR CITY CITY ATTORNEY, AS WELL AS THE BOND COUNSEL IN TERMS OF TIMING OF WHEN THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE. WE'VE GOT SOME TIME TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO KEY THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. OR THREE REALLY. THAT'S ONE. TWO IS GOING TO BE MR. GOLDEN AND HIS TEAM WORKING THROUGH THE AUDITS FISCAL 23 AND 24. WE NEED THOSE. WE NEED 23 COMPLETE. WE NEED 24. IN AN UNAUDITED AT LEAST A DRAFT, A GOOD DRAFT IN ORDER TO TALK TO THE RACES. WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION IN ANOTHER PART OF THE STATE. WE WERE TALKING WITH THE RATING AGENCIES JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. THEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE US A BOND RATING UNLESS WE HAVE THOSE AUDITS BASICALLY UP TO DATE. SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THAT'S BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW. THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW IS WHAT IS THE COST OF THE PROJECT. WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND BORROW MONEY UNTIL WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE NEED. WE DON'T WANT TO BORROW TOO MUCH.

WE DON'T BORROW TOO LITTLE. I UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN YOU BRING ON A FIRM TO COME IN AND DO THE DESIGN, THAT COULD TAKE ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO 10 TO 12 MONTHS IN TERMS OF THAT PROCESS.

AND SO WE'LL NEED TO KNOW THEY'LL NEED TO WORK THROUGH THEIR PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO A POINT, TO HAVE A GOOD COST ESTIMATE. YOU ALL NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. DO YOU WANT TO WORK? WANT US TO GO AND BOND OFF A COST ESTIMATE, OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR BIDS TO COME IN? AND THAT OBVIOUSLY WILL TAKE PROCESS AS WELL. SO JUST KIND OF TALKING THROUGH THAT WITH MR. GOLDEN, THAT'S PROBABLY LATER THIS YEAR AT BEST, MAYBE EARLY NEXT YEAR AT WORST IN TERMS OF THAT TIMING. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT FROM JUST A TIMING PROCESS. SO I THINK ALL OF THIS WILL WORK TOGETHER. MR. GOLDEN AND HIS TEAM SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE AUDITS AND EVERYTHING BY THAT TIME. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THE DESIGN WORK COMES IN AND WE CAN ALSO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU WORK, THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY'S NAME.

FROM A TIMELINE AT THAT POINT, ONCE WE KIND OF KNOW ALL THAT AND SOME OF THIS, WE CAN BE WORKING DURING THAT PROCESS WE'RE DEVELOPING. THE BOND COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE WORKING THROUGH A WHAT'S CALLED A PRELIMINARY OFFICIAL STATEMENT. THAT'S THE OFFERING DOCUMENT HAS LOTS OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY FINANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'LL BE WORKING OUR CREDIT PRESENTATION THAT WE WILL PRESENT TO THE RATING AGENCIES. WE'LL BE COMING TO YOU WITH THOSE DOCUMENTS. BOND COUNCIL WILL PRESENT THOSE FOR TO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO ADOPT.

WE'LL BRING THE PLAN OF FINANCE, WHICH WILL HAVE ALL OF THE NUMBERS INVOLVED. SO YOU'LL KNOW AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY IT BACK. WE'LL BE WORKING WITH STAFF ON WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO COME FROM TO PAY THESE PAY THESE PROJECTS BACK. WE'LL THEN GO TO THE RATING AGENCIES, HAVE MEETINGS WITH THEM. WE'RE GOING TO OBVIOUSLY PUSH FOR THE HIGHEST BOND RATING THAT WE CAN. WE'LL BASICALLY GET THE RATING BACK, POST THAT OFFICIAL STATEMENT ONLINE, AND THEN THE UNDERWRITERS WILL BEGIN MARKETING THEIR BONDS TO THEIR TO THEIR FOLKS THAT ARE THAT WILL BE CONSIDERING BUYING THE BONDS. WE'LL HAVE THE BOND SALE.

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WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL FOR RATIFICATION AND A FINAL APPROVAL OF THE PRICING. AND THEN WE'LL GET THE BONDS VALIDATED EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THE PRICING AND THEN CLOSING IT USUALLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER WE GET THE BOND SALE OR VALIDATION. SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST BIG PICTURE HOW IT ALL WORKS AGAIN, IN THAT 60 TO 90 DAYS PROCESS, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND A COUPLE OF THINGS TOO, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF THE RATING, THE RATINGS, THESE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT YOUR ECONOMY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE BASICALLY TELLING THE STORY OF EASTPOINTE. WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE, DEBT MANAGEMENT. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER. AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE DONE AS AS GOOD A JOB AS POSSIBLE OF TELLING THAT STORY. PART OF MANAGEMENT IS POLICIES. AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE THE CONCEPT BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT OVER THE OF THE COMING MONTHS IS WHETHER TO CONSIDER MODIFYING SOME OR AT LEAST EDITING SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE. SO GO AHEAD. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SIR. WHEN WE DID THE LAST BOND ISSUE, YOU WE ENDED UP WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS AN A1 AND THEN UPGRADED UP TO THE A3 BY MOODY'S SUBSEQUENT TO THE BOND SALE, AND THEN DOUBLE A MINUS WITH S&P. AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, MOODY'S HAS TAKEN THAT RATING OFF AT THE MOMENT UNTIL THE TO THE AUDITS COME BACK. WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT FOR THAT RATING AGAIN. BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO SHOOT A LITTLE HIGHER. WE ALWAYS WANT TO SHOOT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. AND AS WE PRESS THE ISSUE, IF YOU WILL, TO GET THEM TO THINK ABOUT US AS EVEN STRONGER. SO WE'LL CONTINUE THAT DURING THIS PROCESS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, SIR. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I BELIEVE YOU ASKED MR. GOLDEN WAS WHAT IS YOUR DEBT CAPACITY. AND SO I'D LIKE TO COVER THAT REAL QUICK. AND THAT IS STARTING WITH WHERE YOU ARE ON THE DEBT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES, 2011 AND 2015 THAT ARE VIRTUALLY PAID OFF, 100,000 ON ONE AND LESS THAN 100,000 ON THE OTHER. THE 94,000 MATURES THE. THIS IS THE 2011 BUILDING AUTHORITY REVENUE BONDS GOES AWAY AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. THE TAX ALLOCATION BONDS. YOU'VE BEEN PAYING SOME OF THAT OFF. SO THAT SHOULD GO AWAY VERY QUICKLY. SO YOU'RE REALLY LEFT WITH TWO ISSUES. AND THAT'S THE 2017 GMA THAT BUILT THIS BUILDING. THAT BOND ISSUES GOT JUST UNDER 12 MILLION LEFT AS OF THIS COMING SUMMER. AND THEN THE 2017 REFUNDING BONDS THAT WE DID A LITTLE OVER 23 MILLION IS LEFT. AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE NOT ABLE TO BE REFINANCED AT THIS POINT. THE CALL DATE FOR THE COPS IS IN 2028. THE CALL DATE FOR THE REFUNDING BONDS IS 27. SO WE'RE STILL A FEW YEARS AWAY FROM BEING ABLE TO REALLY REFINANCE.

IF THE MARKET WERE TO ALLOW US TO DO SO, KNOWING THAT THE TWO ISSUES ARE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, IS THIS PROJECT, THIS BUILDING, IF YOU WOULD, GOES OUT TO 2048. THE REFINANCING THAT WE DID IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT'S CONSIDERED SELF-SUPPORTING. WE'RE USING WATER AND SEWER REVENUE REVENUES TO PAY THOSE BONDS OFF. SO FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT KEY RATIOS, WE DON'T INCLUDE THAT ONE. WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THOUGH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S BEING PAID FOR WITH TAX DOLLARS, SOME TYPE OF TAX. SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE SIR. THE TWO THINGS THAT WE KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHEN IT'S CAN YOU AFFORD SOMETHING IS BASICALLY WHAT IS YOUR DEBT CAPACITY. THINK ABOUT IT AS LIKE A CREDIT CARD LIMIT. AND THEN AFFORDABILITY IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY IT BACK WHERE THE CASH FLOWS COMING TO PAY THAT BACK. SO FROM THE DEBT CAPACITY STANDPOINT, WHICH IS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF CREDIT CARD LIMIT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE SIR. THERE'S TWO KEY THINGS THAT THE RACES LIKE TO LOOK AT. ONE IS THE OUTSTANDING DEBT YOU HAVE DIVIDED BY THE FULL VALUE OF THE CITY. AND WHEN I SAY FULL VALUE IT'S NOT JUST ASSESSED BUT THE FULL VALUE 100% VALUE. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO COMPARE YOU TO OTHER STATES THAT MAY ASSESS AT DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES. SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT APPLES AND APPLES AT 100%. SO WE TAKE THAT 12 MILLION THAT WE HAVE OUTSTANDING ON THIS BUILDING DIVIDED BY BASICALLY THE FULL VALUE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS ON A BUDGETARY BASIS, ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE. YOU'RE PAYING IN YOUR BUDGET DIVIDED BY THE REVENUES OR EXPENSES. THE BUDGET IF YOU WOULD, OF THE CITY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE, SIR. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT MOODY'S LOOKS AT VERY STRONG AS BEING 0.75% OF OUTSTANDING DEBT DIVIDED BY THAT FULL VALUE, STRONG BEING UP TO 1.75 AND THEN MODERATE BEING UP TO 4%. SO THE BLUE BAR IS BASICALLY THE BLUE AREA. IS THAT DOUBLE A THRESHOLD TO 1.75. AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL GOING UP TO THE A WOULD BE UP TO 4%. WE WANT TO BE IN THE DOUBLE A IF WE CAN. SO WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT FOR THAT POINT, THAT 1.75%. THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT ON TOP OF THE GREEN BARS, WHICH IS THE EXISTING DEBT, ROUGHLY 73 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL DEBT BASED ON THE CURRENT ASSESSED VALUE OF

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THE CITY. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHEN WE LOOK AT DEBT SERVICE AS A PERCENTAGE OF REVENUES, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY UP TO 15% IS WHERE S&P LOOKS AT STRONG, WHICH WOULD BE AGAIN IN THAT DOUBLE A CATEGORY. SO YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY 72 MILLION VERY CLOSE. BUT ONE IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THE OTHER. THIS ONE IS SLIGHTLY LOWER AT 72 MILLION. SO BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT AROUND $70 MILLION OF CAPACITY. SO YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, FROM YOUR ADVISOR STANDPOINT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT ROOM TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. SO SOMETHING APPEAR OUT OF NOWHERE, WHETHER IT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY NEED, THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU NEEDED OR SOMETHING AS AN OPPORTUNITY, SOMEBODY COMES TO TOWN AND SAYS, WE WANT TO BRING OUR BUSINESS TO TOWN, BUT WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO BUILD A ROAD TO IT AND YOU NEED SOME FUNDS TO DO THAT, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR CAP. SO WE DO HAVE ROOM. I DON'T KNOW THE OBVIOUSLY ALL THE PROJECTS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. I KNOW WHEN WE WERE FIRST BROUGHT ON BOARD, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REC PROJECT. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT COMPLETE ON THAT YET. WE DO HAVE THE AUDITORIUM PROJECT, WHICH I THINK YOU HAVE SOME DOLLARS SET ASIDE, BUT MAYBE THERE'S ADDITIONAL NEEDED. WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO BE. AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS MENTION OF MAYBE SOME OTHER PROJECTS. SO YOU NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT OTHER PROJECTS WE MIGHT ADD INTO THIS BOND ISSUE WHEN WE GET THERE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF AMOUNTS, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO SHOW YOU IN TODAY'S WORLD WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION. WE DID CURRENT MARKET PLUS 25 BASIS POINTS, WHICH IS ROUGHLY A SHADE OVER 4% 4.12%.

SO IF WE WENT TO MARKET TODAY, WE'D BE IN A 385, GIVE OR TAKE INTEREST RATE, WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD INTEREST RATE FOR 20 YEARS. JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THAT WOULD COST, IT'S BASICALLY ABOUT 1,000,009 A YEAR OF DEBT SERVICE IS WHAT THAT WOULD COST TO GO OUT AND BORROW $25 MILLION TODAY. SO AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PROJECTS AND HOW MUCH YOU CAN AFFORD AND WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. SO ROUGHLY ABOUT 1.9 MILLION FOR 25 MILLION IN TODAY'S MARKET, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION. SO SORRY, I WENT FAST. I KNOW YOU GOT A LOT GOING ON TONIGHT, AND JUST WANTED TO HIT A FEW HIGH POINTS THAT MAY HAVE PROMPTED A QUESTION OR TWO. MADAM MAYOR, HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE CITY AUDITORIUM BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. SO THE QUESTION WHERE ARE WE WITH THE CITY AUDITORIUM? AND SINCE WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE REC CENTER, CAN THAT OR SHOULD THAT THAT ALSO SHOULD BE INCLUDED IF WE'RE WHATEVER ROUTE THAT WE DECIDE TO TAKE. BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY AUDITORIUM HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND I KNOW THEY STARTED SO AND WE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. WOULD WE CAN THAT BE PUT TOGETHER WITH THIS, LIKE YOU SAID, INCLUDE THE PROJECTS THAT WE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND NEEDED. AND SINCE THE CITY AUDITORIUM HAS BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AS WELL AS FINANCING, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO KIND OF PUT THEM TOGETHER IF, IF WHATEVER ROUTE WE'RE TAKING, IF IT WILL BE A BOND OR WHATEVER ROUTE THAT WE TAKE. AND THAT'S MY QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE CITY AUDITORIUM. SO I THINK IT'S COUCHED IN HE JUST SAID THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION, WE NEED TO KNOW THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED FUNDING ON. AND THERE MAY BE SOME THAT WE DON'T KNOW. SO WE NEED TO. WE SAID 25 MILLION. WE HAVE UP TO 73 MILLION. I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST. AND YOU SAID THAT'S ONE OF THE UNKNOWNS RIGHT NOW, THE COST OF THE REC CENTER. WHAT IS THE COST OF THE AUDITORIUM? AND AGAIN, I THINK HAVING A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO LOOKING AT ALL OF IT. AND THE FUNDING REQUIRED AND THE DEBT SERVICE, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO PULL UP THE TPD AMOUNT THAT WE RECEIVE ANNUALLY. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT MR. GOT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE NOT THE QUARTERLY AMOUNT, BUT HOW MUCH WE GET FOR TPD TOTAL ANNUALLY, NOT JUST THE TPD. TPD ABOUT 1.5 MILLION, RIGHT? SO THIS WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH TO SERVICE. SO IF IT'S 25 MILLION AND DEBT SERVICE IS 1.9 MILLION, THAT WOULD BE ALL OF THE TPD PLUS AN ADDITIONAL $400,000 THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. SO AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE REC CENTER WOULD COST AND THE AUDITORIUM WOULD COST. AND YOU KNOW, OUR BOND, ONCE WE MAKE COMMITMENTS LIKE OUR BONDING CAPACITY OR HOW MUCH WE CAN REALLY SUPPORT FROM A DEBT SERVICE PERSPECTIVE

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DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE. THERE MAY BE A LEVEL OF PRIORITIZATION NEEDED. AND SO IF YOU ALL ARE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I THINK IT IS A QUESTION. AS WE LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T LOOK AT IT IN ISOLATION BECAUSE IT'S CONNECTED TO OUR OVERALL BONDING CAPACITY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WERE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER AROUND WHAT THE QUESTION ANSWER TO THE QUESTION MAY BE. MISS JESSIE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO GET BACK WITH US, BUT THEY MENTIONED THE REC CENTER AND THE AUDITORIUM. THOSE ARE TWO UNKNOWNS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY UNKNOWNS OR THINGS THAT I BELIEVE INFRASTRUCTURE STUFF IS FUNDED BY REVENUE BONDS, RIGHT? THEY DID MENTION THE OLD CITY HALL AS ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS INITIALLY BACK IN 2024. SO CITY HALL, OLD CITY HALL, THE AUDITORIUM AND THE NEW REC CENTER AND ALL THOSE PROJECTS, MADAM MAYOR, CAN BE DONE AT ONE TIME THROUGH THIS, THROUGH ONE OF THE AUTHORITIES, AS BOND COUNCIL SAID, ESSENTIALLY ANYTHING THAT WAS FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE COULD BE DONE UNDER THE UNDER UNDER THAT FORM. IT REALLY COMES BACK TO AND YOU'VE GOT AND NOW THAT YOU HOPEFULLY YOU NOW KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME TIME BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH THE AUDITS, WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH IT AT A MINIMUM, THE REC CENTER DESIGN AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT STANDS. SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SHROPSHIRE ASKED BASICALLY BOTH OF MY QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANTED TO WHAT ARE THE RATES WE'RE PAYING ON THE CURRENT BONDS? I THINK YOU SAID THREE TO 3 TO 5. SO THE COUPON RATE. THOSE ARE THE COUPON RATES? YES, SIR. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE BORROWING RATES WERE. THE YIELDS IF YOU WILL DO YOU. SO FOR THE YIELD FOR THE PROPOSED I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT BUT I MISSED IT 4.12% 4.12. SO THAT'S ALL IN ALL COST OF ISSUANCE. AND THAT'S AT A QUARTER OVER CURRENT MARKET. SO IF WE WENT TODAY WE'D BE BELOW 4%. THANK YOU. PROBABLY ABOUT 385 GIVE OR TAKE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. COUNCILMEMBER.

YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THAT I KIND OF HAD THE SAME QUESTION. SO I KNOW YOU GAVE AN EXAMPLE EARLIER, AROUND 25 MILLION. IF WE PAID AROUND 3.3. 8% OR 4%, IT WOULD COST US ABOUT 1.9 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MY SECOND QUESTION IS, ARE THERE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES THAT WE CAN USE, LIKE INSTEAD OF US TAKING OUT THIS, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT THAT EXPENSIVE. BUT INSTEAD OF TAKING OUT, I KNOW WHEN WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT HOTEL MOTEL AS WELL. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT WITH THE WITH, I GUESS, THE TIE IN BEING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MAYBE SOME OUTSIDE TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THE REC CENTER. SO COULD WE MIX FUNDING SOURCES USE LIKE HALF AND HALF OR. OKAY. YEAH.

BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE WAY THIS BOND IS UNDER THE STATE CODE, IT'S ESSENTIALLY LOOKED AT AS A GEO BOND ISSUE. SO ANY REVENUES COULD BE PAID. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A IT'S A GEO BOND.

IT'S FULL FAITH AND CREDIT. BUT YOU CAN USE ANY REVENUE SOURCE OF TO PAY FOR IT. MR. SHANNON, DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD HOW MUCH HOTEL MOTEL USUALLY BRINGS IN OR HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH WE BRING IN FOR TD? OH I'M SORRY. MY BAD. I MISSED THAT OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I THINK. GO AHEAD COUNCILOR ROGER THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE MAKE A DECISION ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD. SO WHETHER THAT'S A COMBINED EFFORT OF THE PROJECTS, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE SAID THAT AUDITORIUM, THE CITY HALL AND ALSO THE REC CENTER, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THAT WE NEED TO AGREE ON PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM THE BANG, THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK. SURE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND DO SOME SCENARIOS FOR YOU. ONCE YOU ASK FOR THEM, GIVE US SOME IDEAS OF SIZES AND AMOUNTS. WE CAN COME BACK AND GIVE YOU SOME VARIOUS DEBT SERVICE ANALYSIS AND SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUN. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I THINK THIS WILL BE MORE A QUESTION FOR THE MAYOR. I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THREE MAIN PROJECTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS GOING TO BE THE AUDITORIUM, THE OLD CITY HALL AND THE REC CENTER. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT THESE COSTS ARE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT DEPENDS A LOT UPON THAT HINGES A LOT UPON JUST HOW WE'RE ABLE TO USE THOSE FUNDS. DO WE KNOW? YES, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SHARING IT. THAT'S THE UNKNOWN. AND YOU SAID OUR BONDING CAPACITY RIGHT

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NOW IS 73 MILLION, BUT YOU RECOMMENDED THE 25 SO THAT WE CAN GET A HIGHER BOND RATING OR.

NO MA'AM, I WAS THE 25 IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. IT'S THE 25 MILLION WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SIZE. IT WASN'T A RECOMMENDATION. THE 72 MILLION. AND AGAIN THE 72 MILLION IS REALLY TO STAY WITHIN THE AA CATEGORY. AND I'LL SAY THIS, I WHEN I WAS IN MY YOUNGER YEARS, IT WAS ALWAYS LET'S GET THE BEST RATINGS, GET THE BEST RATING. BUT LOOK, IF YOU HAVE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO, DON'T DO IT. JUST DON'T STOP SHORT INVESTING IN YOUR COMMUNITY JUST TO STAY IN A DOUBLE-A CATEGORY. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE IN INTEREST RATES. IF WE PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF WE HAPPEN TO BE AT AN A RATING LIKE WE DID WHEN WE FIRST STARTED OUT, WHEN WE DID THE 2017. SO IF YOU NEED TO DO MORE, THAT'S WHY I SHOWED YOU THE OTHER OPTION, BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS GO DO MORE. AND I'M NOT GOING OUT HERE SAYING YOU GO BORROW A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO DO WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY AND THE CONSTITUENTS AND WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT TO INVEST IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO DON'T DON'T STOP SHORT BECAUSE OF IT. BUT I WAS JUST WANTING TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT 25 MILLION IS GOING TO. THIS IS THE TYPE OF REVENUE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PAY IT BACK. AND YOU COULD USE THAT TO AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT. OKAY, WELL, MAYBE WE NEED 40 MILLION. WE CAN DO THE MATH, YOU KNOW, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE ROUGHLY DEBT SERVICE WISE. OKAY. THANK YOU I YIELD. YEAH. I'M SORRY IF I MISINTERPRETED THAT AS BEING A RECOMMENDATION. NO, NO, WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT LEVEL OF CLARIFICATION AND GUIDANCE. I THINK SO. SO HERE'S THE TO THE QUESTION OF BRAIDING OR BLENDING FUNDS AND OUR CAPACITY WHILE WE HAVE EVEN IF WE DID 73 MILLION, WE WOULD BE STILL IN THE DOUBLE A RATE RANGE. YES MA'AM. THE QUESTION WOULD BECOME WHERE DO WE HOW DO WE GET THE FUNDING TO SERVICE THE DEBT? THAT'S HOW THAT'S USUALLY THREE TIMES THE BIGGER QUESTION. THAT'S THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT, RIGHT, OF A 25 MILLION. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 6 MILLION. THAT'S EXACTLY ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE. TPD TOURISM PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT IS ESTIMATED AT 1.5 MILLION. AND SO. I'M NOT SURE OF OTHER REVENUE SOURCES. YOU SAID THAT THESE ARE GEO BONDS. GEO BONDS HAVE TO GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR A REFERENDUM. GEO BOND USING THE REVENUE FROM THE THEY'RE LOOKED AT LIKE GEO BONDS. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR I APOLOGIZE. THEY'RE LIKE GEO BONDS IN THAT THEY'RE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF BUT THEY'RE NOT GEO BONDS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GEO REFERENDUM UNDER THE STATE STATUTE. RIGHT. WE'D HAVE TO DO A REFERENDUM FOR A GEO BLIND, RIGHT? CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. THESE AREN'T TECHNICALLY GEO, BUT SO FROM A DEBT SERVICE BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO UP TO OUR MAXIMUM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AROUND $6 MILLION ANNUALLY. THAT'S ABOUT 73 MILLION. IF WE ARE AT ONE, TWO, 25 MILLION, TPD IS ABOUT $400,000 SHORT AT 1.5 MILLION ANNUALLY. SO IT'S DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE GLOBALLY AROUND ALL OF THEM AND MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. ALSO, THE FUNDING SOURCES, TPD IS NOT GOING TO DO IT ALL, AND IT MIGHT REQUIRE A LEVEL OF PRIORITIZATION. AND THEN AS IT RELATES TO THE AUTHORITIES, I SERVED ON THE BUILDING AUTHORITY BEFORE GETTING BECOMING A COUNCIL MEMBER. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE STRUGGLED WITH AT THE TIME IS WHAT IS A BUILDING AUTHORITY SUPPOSED TO DO? WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO? AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DDA AT THE TIME, AND NOW WE HAVE THAT. THE BUILDING AUTHORITY BY ITS BYLAWS, IS TO ISSUE BONDS FOR ALL CITY OWNED PROPERTY. RIGHT? SO ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS WOULD BE CITY OWNED PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY THE BUILDING AUTHORITY DID THE LAST BOND ISSUANCE. RIGHT. IF IT'S NOT CITY OWNED PROPERTY, THEN YOU HAVE BIDA AND DDA BUT YOUR POTENTIAL CONSIDERATIONS. BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AS WE BECAUSE WE APPOINT PEOPLE TO THESE BOARDS AND THERE THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR AROUND WHO DOES WHAT. BECAUSE LITERALLY WHEN I STARTED, WE SPENT MOST OF THE TIME JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. AND HOW DO WE ALL COEXIST TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO HELP SUPPORT THE CITY IN THE WAYS THAT IT'S NEEDED, BUT ALSO TO ENSURE THAT EACH AUTHORITY HAS A PURPOSE, RIGHT. SO THE DDA HAS A GEOGRAPHIC FOOTPRINT. BUILDING BUILDINGS OWNED BY THE CITY ARE TO BE FINANCED BY THE BUILDING AUTHORITY. AND THEN WE HAVE BIDA. RIGHT. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE TALK ABOUT THESE AND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE COMING FROM STAFF, THAT THOSE THINGS ARE BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WE SHOULDN'T GET TO

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A PLACE WHERE IT'S CONSTANTLY LIKE, WHICH ONE IS GOING TO DO WHAT THE MEMBERS OF ALL THREE OF THOSE BOARDS DESERVE A LEVEL OF CLARITY AS TO WHAT AREAS, WHAT THINGS ARE WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW, SO THAT THEY KNOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS OWNED BY THE CITY, THAT'S A BUILDING AUTHORITY CONVERSATION. WE KNOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE GEOGRAPHIC FOOTPRINT OR THE MAP THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE DDA, THAT'S A DDA PROJECT, RIGHT? IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THOSE THINGS, THEN IT'S ABOUT A PROJECT. LIKE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE GET THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE GETTING THEM IN THAT WAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE PEOPLE ON ALL THESE BOARDS WE'RE SERVING AND WE DON'T NEED THE BOARDS TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT. AND SO I THINK I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION I CAN'T REMEMBER. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE PROJECTS FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A ROUGH ESTIMATE ON CITY HALL. I FEEL LIKE AT ONE POINT WE DID THE OLD CITY HALL, OLD CITY AUDITORIUM IN THE OLD CITY HALL, AND THE REC CENTER. LIKE, THOSE ARE THE THREE KNOWNS. AND THEN FROM THE KNOWNS, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A CUSHION IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS, AS YOU MENTIONED. AND THEN WHERE'S THE FUNDING GOING TO COME FROM? LIKE THIS IS ANNUAL. THESE ARE NOT REVENUE GENERATORS. I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT THERE WAS TALK OF THE OLD CITY HALL MAYBE BECOMING A TOURISM PLACE OR SOMETHING, A TOURISM VISITOR CENTER OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, WHETHER THERE'S REVENUE THAT CAN BE GENERATED IN WITHIN THESE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY AUDITORIUM WOULD BE A REVENUE GENERATOR, RIGHT? LIKE IT IS THE REVENUE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE USED FROM THAT, COULD THAT BE USED TO SERVICE THE. AND WHAT ARE OUR PROJECTIONS AROUND WHAT WE THINK THAT WOULD BE. RIGHT. AND SO I KNOW THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND TO MOVE THESE THINGS FORWARD. AND SO THE SOONER WE CAN HAVE THAT GLOBAL CONVERSATION, AND EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT HARD NUMBERS, IF THERE'S AN ESTIMATE, IF THERE'S A RANGE, RIGHT, WE KNOW, I MEAN, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME NUMBERS ON THE AUDITORIUM BECAUSE THAT WAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS AND THINGS THAT WERE SHARED WITH US. WE SHOULD HAVE SOME NUMBERS ON THE OLD CITY HALL. WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS NUMBERS ON THE. REC CENTER. BUT ONCE THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN COMPANY IS ENGAGED AND THEN THEY DO THEIR WORK, THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH A PROJECTED COST, RIGHT? BUT THIS IS REALLY A GLOBAL CONVERSATION. AND I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. BECAUSE IF WE DO ONE WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THEM, WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A DECISION THAT IMPACTS ALL OF THEM WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT THEM. THAT'S RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS, THANK YOU. AND THIS IS MORE OR LESS, I GUESS, A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY. OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AND ALSO YOU, MAYOR, I HEARD THAT I HEARD YOU JUST THE DISCUSSION ON PRIORITIZING, HEARD ABOUT THE REC CENTER, THE AUDITORIUM AND THE CITY HALL. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS LIKE, WHERE DO WE BEGIN? DO WE GET THE ROUGH ESTIMATE OF THESE PROJECTS, THEN BRING THIS BACK? LIKE, WHERE DO WE BEGIN? YEAH, I THINK COST IS THE MAIN FACTOR RIGHT AROUND KNOWING WHAT WE MIGHT THEN GET INTO FUNDING SOURCES LIKE THE COST OF THE PROJECT. I MEAN, WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN? I WAS ABOUT TO CALL YOU MR. ROGERS, BUT IT'S NOT MR. MISTER ROGERS. ROGERS. SO WE NEED THE AUDITS COMPLETED. WHEN WILL THE 2023 BE COMPLETE? WE'RE HOPING FOR THE END OF THE MONTH. AND, MADAM MAYOR. YES, MA'AM. WE'RE DRAFTING THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS NOW. SO HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE END OF THE MONTH AND THEN FISCAL YEAR 24. ENDED LAST JULY, I MEAN, LAST JUNE 30TH, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FISCAL YEAR 23 AND FISCAL YEAR 24. CORRECT. SO WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 24? I KNOW YOU SAID WE NEED THE FINAL ON 23, MISTER ROGERS.

RIGHT. AND A DRAFT OF THE UNAUDITED ON 24. RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE A DRAFT OF 24 HOPEFULLY BY MAY EARLY JUNE. SO SOMETIME WITHIN THE FIRST HALF OF THIS YEAR. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU CAN

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GO TO FIGURE OUT AND YOU GOT TO ROLL INTO 25. RIGHT. AND WE'RE ROLLING 25. BUT WE'LL BE AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN YOU CAN GO TO THE BOND. HOPEFULLY BY JUNE MID JUNE WE'D BE READY TO GO. SHOULD YOU ALL BE READY TO GIVE US A NUMBER AND SAY GO BORROW. WELL AND SO THEN THAT BACKS US UP, RIGHT? SO IF THAT'S THE TIME AROUND THAT THEN WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO COME UP WITH COSTS. RIGHT. THE ESTIMATED COST PER PROJECT, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. BEFORE YOU EVEN HEAR THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. SO RIGHT. BUT IF COUNCIL ENGAGES THIS FIRM LIKE IT ALL MAY BE WORKING ALL TOGETHER, LIKE IF WE ARE ALL WORKING TOWARDS JUNE. YEP, ALL OF THE INFORMATION MAY BE AVAILABLE AT THAT POINT. AND MISS JESSIE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S NUMBERS ON THE AUDITORIUM. YES, MA'AM. WE DO HAVE NUMBERS. THEY'RE OLD AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME WORK TO GET SOME CURRENT INFORMATION. I THINK THE LAST NUMBERS WE HAD MAY HAVE BEEN AROUND. IT'S ABOUT 8 MILLION FOR THE AUDITORIUM. THAT WAS PRE-COVID. RIGHT. AND THEN I KNOW MR. KING HAD DID SOME INQUIRIES. I THINK THE COST HAD DOUBLED. MAKING IT LIKE 16, 17 MILLION FOR THE AUDITORIUM. FOR THE AUDITORIUM. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON CITY HALL? NO, MA'AM. NO. AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER TPD FUNDS AS WELL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE AUDITORIUM. CORRECT. THAT COULD BRING DOWN THE BONDING ON THAT. CORRECT. SO WHAT IS IT THAT IS NECESSARY TO GET UPDATED COST ON THE A LOT OF THIS CITY AUDITORIUM AND THEN TO GET COST ON THE OLD CITY HALL WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON PROJECTIONS FOR THE REC CENTER, YOU'VE ACTUALLY THE CITY HAS ENGAGED A PROGRAM MANAGER, A FIRM. IS THAT H.J. RUSSELL? YES, MA'AM. AND WE CAN GET WITH THEM IF YOU ALSO DESIRE. SO I KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE THINGS, AND WE CAN EITHER DO THIS BY CONSENSUS TO HAVE LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE THE APPROVED H.J. RUSSELL. SO THEY CAN GET STARTED. WE CAN EITHER DO CONSENSUS OR VOTE ON MONDAY AROUND GETTING THE COST OF THE PROJECTS FOR CITY HALL, OLD CITY HALL, OLD CITY HALL, CITY AUDITORIUM, AND THE REC CENTER SO THAT THEN THEY ARE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO THEY NEED TO WORK. BUT I DO THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A LEVEL OF ACTION NEEDED BY THIS COUNCIL TO DECIDE THAT THOSE ARE THE THREE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT THEM TO GET COST ON RIGHT NOW, AND THEN THEY'D BE ABLE TO MOVE HOW THEY NEED TO MOVE. THE LIBRARY WAS WE HOW LONG IS THE LEASE WITH STRANGER THINGS? BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY RENOVATED THE LIBRARY AS A PART OF USING THAT AS THEIR SITE, THEIR SET, DO WE KNOW? NO, MA'AM. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TERMS OF THAT ARRANGEMENT WAS. BUT THAT'S HOW IT GOT ITS INITIAL RENOVATIONS IS BECAUSE IT'S A SITE FOR STRANGER THINGS. AND SO THAT'S FOR IF WE INCLUDE THE LIBRARY. FOR KNOWNS. AND SO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CALL IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, BUT. I CAN'T THINK RIGHT NOW. SO THIS IS WE NEED. COST ESTIMATIONS FOR. ALL OF THESE WOULD BE CITY OWNED. SO COST ESTIMATION FOR. PROJECTED CITY OWNED PROJECTS OR SOMETHING. LIKE THAT. IT WOULD INCLUDE THE CITY HALL, CITY AUDITORIUM, THE LIBRARY AND THE RECTOR OF WREXHAM REC CENTER. SO AND IF THEY COULD TELL US AND I GUESS THEY WOULD TELL US, IS IT

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FEASIBLE TO FIX UP CITY HALL? WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT? YEAH. AND THE COST ESTIMATION, THEY WOULD HAVE THAT. AND YOU'RE SAYING, MISS JESSIE, THAT H.J. RUSSELL COULD DO ALL OF THAT.

THAT IS WHAT THE LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT OKAY INDICATED. SO, MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, IF YOU CAN MAKE AN AGENDA ITEM OF. COUNCIL DISCUSSION, APPROVAL OF. AUTHORIZING STAFF. TO GET A COST ESTIMATION ON PROJECTED CITY OWNED PROJECTS. THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS. YES. AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MADAM CITY ATTORNEY. THERE WAS MENTION OF THE MOU FOR THE ACRES OUT IN THE GEORGIA SOCCER PARK, AND HOW THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CITY. OH, THANK YOU. I'LL ASK LATER. ALRIGHT. QUESTION. YOU GOT IT, MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, HOPEFULLY BECAUSE I PROBABLY CAN'T REPEAT IT. THANKS. YEAH, OKAY. THANK YOU.

AN UPDATE ON FACADE GRANT? YES. OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY WHILE SHANNON IS UP HERE, YOU WANT HIM

[II.6. Federal Grants and Loans Update]

TO TALK ABOUT THE FEDERAL GRANTS AND LOANS? OH, YEAH. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

I'LL NINE STAFF. WE HAVE OUR CHIEF SITTING FOR. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON OUR FEDERAL GRANTS AND LOANS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AS IT RELATES TO GRANTS. YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT, YOU CAN HAVE FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL FUNDS THAT FUND DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT THE CITY HAS. GOVERNMENTS AT THE FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LEVELS OFTEN PROVIDE GRANTS TO SUPPORT VARIOUS INITIATIVES SUCH AS EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE, ARTS, RESEARCH OR INFRASTRUCTURE. THESE GRANTS ARE FUNDED THROUGH TAXPAYER REVENUE, AND THE GOVERNMENT ALLOCATES PORTIONS OR OF THE NATIONAL OR STATE BUDGET TO SPECIFIC GRANTS. WE HAVE THREE MAJOR GRANT LIFE CYCLE PHASES THE PRE-AWARD PHASE WHERE YOU APPLY FOR THE GRANT. THE AWARD PHASE WHEN YOU'RE AWARDED THE GRANT, AND THE STIPULATIONS OF THE GRANT, AND THE POST AWARD PHASE WHERE YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE EXPENDITURES AS IT RELATES TO THE GRANTS AND THE REPORTING AND ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE GRANT. GRANT FOR AWARD FUNDING CAN BE DISBURSED IN A LUMP SUM, WHICH IS AN ADVANCE PAYMENT, OR IN INSTALLMENTS, WHICH IS A REIMBURSEMENT PAYMENT. ADVANCE PAYMENT. YOU GET ALL THE FUNDS UP FRONT AND THE REIMBURSEMENT, YOU INCUR THE COST FIRST, AND THEN YOU ASK FOR THE MONEY LATER. THE CITY HAS THE FOLLOWING ACTIVE GRANTS. FEDERAL FUNDED GRANTS. WE HAVE ABOUT 12. 11 OF THEM ARE REIMBURSABLE. ONE OF THEM IS ADVANCED STATE FUNDED GRANTS. WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE REIMBURSABLE AND WE HAVE ONE LOCAL GRANT THAT'S ADVANCED. THE CITY HAS NINE GRANTS THAT ARE IN THE PENDING PRE-AWARD PHASE.

THESE FOR THE AWARDS TOTAL ABOUT 24 MILLION. THE CURRENT ACTIVE FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE DO HAVE, IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN THE VARIOUS AGENCIES. SO FOR HUD, WE HAVE AN AWARD AMOUNT OF 120, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DISBURSED IN THAT GRANT YET. SO THAT IS A GOOD STEP. IT'S IN GOOD STANDING RIGHT NOW WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. WE HAVE 3.6. THAT'S ALSO IN GOOD STANDING WITH OUR USDA GRANTS THAT WE HAVE TOTAL ABOUT 68,002, I'M SORRY, 48,200 OF THAT. THESE GRANTS ARE GOOD. AND WHAT I MEAN BY GOOD IS THAT WE CAN STILL DRAW DOWN ON THESE GRANTS AND GET THE FUNDING FOR THEM WITH OUR DOJ GRANTS. HOWEVER, WE HAVE 1.7 MILLION IN DOJ GRANTS.

THAT'S OUR JAG GRANTS. OUR BULLETPROOF, OUR EYE IN THE SKY GRANTS. CURRENTLY. RIGHT NOW WE

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HAVE 1.6 THAT WE'RE REQUESTING IN REIMBURSEMENT. THOSE GRANTS HAVE BEEN FROZEN BY THAT AGENCY.

SO WE CAN'T GET THOSE FUNDS AS OF YET. WITH THE EPA GRANT, WE HAVE ABOUT 1.6 MILLION INCHES AWARDS, 116 TO BE REIMBURSED. WE'RE GOOD TO PULL THOSE FUNDS DOWN WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. WE HAVE 76,000. AND WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, WE HAVEN'T PULLED ANY EXPENSES OR INCURRED ANY EXPENSES TO ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENT. BUT WITH THAT AGENCY, THAT AGENCY IS CURRENTLY FROZEN RIGHT NOW. SO TOTAL GRANT AWARDS AT THE GRANTS, 7.3 MILLION TOTAL IN REIMBURSEMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING BETWEEN FROZEN AND GOOD, 4.2. WITH OUR FEDERAL LOAN OVERVIEW, WE HAVE THREE LOANS THROUGH THE GEORGIA ENVIRONMENTAL FEDERAL AUTHORITY, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH WITH OUR WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT. IT'S ABOUT 5.4 MILLION IN LOANS THERE. THOSE ARE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE ADMINISTERED BY THE GEORGIA ENVIRONMENTAL FEDERAL AUTHORITY. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A RESPONSE FROM THEM TO LET US KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN FROZEN, BUT WE'VE HAD DRAWN DOWN ABOUT 2 MILLION OF THAT. AND THIS CONCLUDES ALL OUR GRANTS THAT WE HAVE AND FEDERAL LOANS FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT. SO YOU SAID THERE WERE 12 FEDERAL GRANTS, BUT WE ONLY WENT OVER. YES, MA'AM. 12 FEDERAL GRANTS, 11 REIMBURSABLE. THE OTHER ONE WAS THE OPERA GRANT. THE OPERA GRANT WAS ADVANCED TO US. WE GOT TWO TRANCHES WITH THAT. THAT WAS 6.5 AND 22, AND THEN 6.5 AND 23. THAT HAS THE FEDERAL AGENCIES. SO TWO ARE THOSE REFLECTING MULTIPLE. SO THERE'S TWO FOUR. THERE'S ONLY SIX AGENCIES ON HERE. YES MA'AM. THESE ARE THE MAJOR AGENCIES THAT WE HAVE OUR GRANTS THROUGH. SO THESE AGENCIES WE HAVE AN 11 TOTAL GRANTS. BETWEEN THOSE AGENCIES. WE HAVE 11 TOTAL GRANTS. CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER FREELAND. SO ON THIS SLIDE, THE TWO THAT ARE FROZEN, DOJ AND DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, IS THAT A RESULT OF THE RECENT FREEZE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S A RESULT OF THE RECENT FREEZE. SO EACH AGENCY IS DOING ITS OWN THING. SO SOME OF THEM ARE FROZEN. SOME OF THEM ARE. WELL SOME OF THEM WILL LET YOU DRAW DOWN AND SOME OF THEM WILL NOT. OKAY. AND DOJ IS ONE OF THOSE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER. YES. THANK YOU. MR. GOLDEN. DOES THIS IN ANY WAY INCLUDE THE $30 MILLION THAT DIRECTOR ECHEVARRIA SPOKE TO BEFORE? I THINK A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO. RIGHT.

THAT WAS A PRE AWARD. I BELIEVE THAT MR. ECHEVERIA HAD APPLIED FOR. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON A RESPONSE FOR THOSE FROM THOSE AGENCIES. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK YET. THANK YOU, MISS JOSEPH. MISS ECHEVARRIA COULD COME FORWARD BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE ACTUAL AMOUNT. AND THEN THERE WAS A RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE APPROPRIATIONS THROUGH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. SO. YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU GIVE US MELISSA? GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO AS SOON AS WE RECEIVED CONFIRMATION FROM SENATOR OSSOFF AND WARNOCK OFFICE ABOUT RECEIVING THE $15 MILLION, OF COURSE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID A FREEZE. SO RIGHT NOW, I'M CONFIDENT WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THE MONEY. BUT WITH THE FREEZE, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PUSH FORWARD INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDES WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO. SO FOR US, WHEN WE RECEIVE FEDERAL MONEY, WE DON'T GET IT OUTRIGHT. WE ACTUALLY PAY UP FRONT AND THEN WE DRAW DOWN THOSE REQUESTS. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENGINEERING AND THE SURVEYING THAT WE HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT, BUT I WILL NOT PUT ANY CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THE FUNDINGS BACK. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT IN OUR BUDGET. SO $15 MILLION, I DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT WE CAN START PLANNING THE PHASE RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT'S JUST A WAITING GAME. SO WE ALSO HAVE THE ANOTHER $1.6 MILLION FROM THE CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING. I JUST NEED TO SUBMIT THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND HISTORICAL REVIEW FORM. AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER 1.6. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE AWARD LETTER BEING THE MONEY HASN'T BEEN RELEASED TO US YET, BUT IT'S BEEN AWARDED ON THE FEDERAL SIDE. AND AGAIN, WE CAN'T PUSH FORWARD BECAUSE WE CAN'T DRAW

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DOWN ANYTHING YET. COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS YES. SO, DIRECTOR ECHEVARRIA, SO SHOULD WE NOT YET INCLUDE THAT ON THIS LIST? I WAS THINKING THAT THIS LIST THAT MR. GOLDEN WAS PRESENTING WAS A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF ALL OF OUR GRANTS FEDERAL, STATE. AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID COUNTY GRANTS THAT YOU HAD ON HERE. SO SHOULD WE OR LOCAL. SO SHOULD WE NOT INCLUDE THAT? AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, I THOUGHT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS 30 MILLION THAT WE WERE GETTING FOR, BUT IS IT ONLY 15 UP TO. SO THEY YEAH THEY PROVIDED US 15. 15 MILLION IS WHAT THEY PROVIDE US. BUT I APPLIED FOR UP TO 30. OKAY. GOTCHA. AND SO SHANNON AND I WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE OF COURSE, TO ME, SINCE THE MONEY HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED, NO ONE CAN TAKE IT BACK FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE. THEY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE AWARD LETTERS. SO US BEING AWARDED FUNDS OR PRESENTED FUNDS ON A FEDERAL IS DIFFERENT FOR HIM. AND SO WE TRIED TO SAY, WELL, JUST PUT ON HERE WHAT WE HAVE AWARD LETTERS FOR. AND THEN THOSE THAT WE HAVE PENDING THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S THAT NINE GRANTS AT THE BOTTOM. YES, MA'AM. 15 MILLION OF THAT IS FOR THE WATER. AND SO WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS ON THE FEDERAL GRANTS LIKE CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING IS A PART. SO EVEN WHETHER IT'S WHETHER IT HAS BEEN AWARDED OR NOT, THE ASK AND WHAT WE HAVE TO SHARE WITH THEM, WHAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE KNOW OF IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN EVEN PRE AWARDED WHAT'S BEEN. AUTHORIZED. OKAY. AND WE NEED THE WORK FROM THE AUTHORIZED AMOUNT BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR IT TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO ENGAGE OUR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS AND GIVE THEM A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT STAGE EACH ONE IS IN AND WHICH HOW MANY GRANTS. SO LIKE IF WE GO BACK TO THE NEXT SLIDE HOOD, IS THAT ONE GRANT OR TWO, IT'S ONE GRANT DOT. IS THAT ONE GRANT. SO LIKE IF WE KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE UNDER THEM, THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND SO THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, THE GOOD THING IS A LOT OF THE STATUSES ARE GOOD. IF WE CAN INDICATE AT THE BOTTOM WHAT GOOD MEANS AND THEN ADD THE NINE GRANTS THAT ARE IN PRE-AWARD PHASE BUT HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED, DOES THE PRE-AWARD INCLUDE CDBG? I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM IS A PRE-AWARD CDBG GRANT THAT WE DO HAVE. 120. IS THAT THE 120? YEAH, THAT WE PRESENTED LAST WORKSHOP. SO WE NEED A THE CDBG, THE WHATEVER HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED REGARDLESS OF. AND I AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US A STARTING POINT BECAUSE WE NEEDED SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. SO THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. WE NEED TO KNOW ALL OF THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN AUTHORIZED FOR US AND THE DIFFERENT SOURCES. I MEANT THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW, EVEN IF IT GETS INTO PRIORITIZATION, WHETHER IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE. CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE DEALING WITH WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS, BUT THIS WOULD HELP THEM BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT EASTPOINTE HAS, RIGHT. AND THE YOU SAID THERE WAS STATE ONES THAT ARE CONNECTED TO FEDERAL. I'M SORRY. GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. YOU DO HAVE. STATE PROGRAMS THAT ARE PASS THROUGH. SO THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FUNDED WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS AND THEY PASS IT THROUGH THROUGH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OR WHOEVER THE RECIPIENT MAY BE. SO I'LL HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE GRANTS ARE. YEAH. AND WE'LL WE'LL NEED ALL OF THAT. SO IF YOU CAN SHARE WITH US MISS JESSIE, WE CAN GET AN UPDATE ON MONDAY. THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO SHARE WITH OUR FEDERAL DELEGATION AT THE ROUND TABLE ON WEDNESDAY, THE LEGISLATIVE ROUNDTABLE TO SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE. YES, MA'AM. OF ALL OF THAT, REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT, IF THE SOURCE IS FEDERAL AND IS COMING THROUGH SOMETHING ELSE TO US THAT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. YES, MA'AM.

COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION TO COUNCILMAN ATKINS POINT. SO I BELIEVE THIS $30 MILLION YOU'RE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT AT A 25% MATCHING PORTION, IS THAT THE SAME ONE, 15? 15%, YES. SO AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SHOOT FOR THE STARS BECAUSE OF THE NEEDS. AND SO I REQUESTED 30

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MILLION. AND OUT OF THAT WE WERE AUTHORIZED 15, WHICH IS STILL A MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT. YES, MA'AM. AND YES, AT THE TIME WHEN WE APPLIED FOR CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS AVAILABLE. SO ONCE THEY AUTHORIZED THE 15 MILLION, I SENT THAT TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO DIVIDE UP THAT 25% OVER THREE FISCAL YEARS. NOW, THAT'S AT THE TIME WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE WOULD GET MONEY THIS YEAR, 2026, 2027, IF THEY DON'T RELEASE THE FUNDS WITHIN THE 12 MONTH, IT'LL PUSH EVERYTHING BACK FURTHER. BUT FINANCIALLY, WE WILL PREPARE IN OUR BUDGET EITHER WAY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. SO AGAIN, WE WILL PREPARE FOR THAT 25% THREE YEAR MATCH. AND DO WE HAVE TO PAY THAT UPFRONT? NO, THAT'S GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. SO WHAT IF THEY FROZE IT AND WE ALREADY PAID THE MATCHING PORTION. IT'S I'M GUESSING YEAH. WE DON'T GET THE MONEY AT ALL. THE AT THE WHOLE 15 MILLION AT ONE TIME. I THINK THE FIRST YEAR WE WERE GOING TO GET LIKE 200,001 YEAR WE WERE GOING TO GET LIKE 14 MILLION, I THINK ANOTHER 400,000. SO AGAIN, IT'S BASED OFF OF WHAT PROJECTS? WE HAVE A PORTION OF THE PROJECT WE HAVE FINISHED AND OUR DRAWDOWN REQUEST. SO LET'S JUST SAY, FOR INSTANCE, I'M ONLY ABLE TO COMPLETE A HALF A MILLION. I JUST NEED TO PAY 25% OF THAT INVOICE. AND THE REMAINING AMOUNT IS PAID FROM THE AUTHORIZED AMOUNT OF THE 15 MILLION. SO EVERY INVOICE THAT WE GET IN, WE HAVE TO MATCH THE 25% OF IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 25 OR 15? 15 I'M SORRY. SORRY. THINKING ABOUT I GOT LIKE 20 MILLION LOANS IN MY HEAD. IT'S 1515. OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU. IS THERE A I'M GOING TO SAY A BACK UP PLAN IF FOR SOME REASON THEY DECIDE TO KEEP THE FREEZE ON THE GRANTS. DO THE CITY HAVE ANOTHER PLAN? WELL, IT IS ANOTHER PLAN. WHAT WE CAN DO IS JUST PLAN IT OUT IN CAPITAL.

BUT THE ISSUE IS WE'VE ALREADY STARTED. SO ESPECIALLY FOR THE GIFT LOANS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED WITH THE BEEN HERE RENOVATIONS, I'VE ALREADY STARTED WITH THE SANITARY SEWER VALUATION. SO THAT IS A CONCERN. AND SO JUST TO BE SAFE, OUR ISSUED AT THE TIME IN MY DEPARTMENT STOPPED SPENDING. WE'RE GOING TO RESERVE EVERYTHING WE CAN BECAUSE I REALLY NEED TO PROBABLY STOP. NOW. THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE VENDORS THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED AND THEY HAVE PROCEEDED WITH THOSE PROJECTS. NOW WITH FOR THE $2 MILLION PROJECT, ONCE THEIR ENGINEER COMES OUT AND INSPECTS THAT PROJECT THAT IS COMPLETE, I PLAN ON APPLYING FOR LOAN FORGIVENESS OR PRINCIPAL FORGIVENESS ANYWAY, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL THEIR ENGINEER COMES OUT AND INSPECT THE JOB. BUT FOR THE OTHER TWO PROJECTS, WE AWARDED THOSE TWO FARMS AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING. BUT WHAT I WILL DO IS DO PLANNING AND ENGINEERING. I JUST WON'T DO ANY CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ASKED, WAS THERE A BACKUP PLAN? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE OF WHERE I WORK. RIGHT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. SO IF WE DON'T AND WE HALT CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S JUST THE SAFEST ANSWER. I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH ANYTHING BEFORE WHERE WE WERE AUTHORIZED SOMETHING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEY HALTED IT. I DON'T THINK ANY ANY OF US HAVE EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. THE PROBLEM FOR US IS WE'VE PUT THESE PROJECTS OUT FOR BID, AND WE'VE AWARDED THESE THIS WORK TO. SO AGAIN, I'M GOING TO DO ENGINEERING. I CAN PAY FOR THAT.

BUT OVERHAULING OUR RESERVOIR WOULD NOT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT MONEY BACK.

I'M GOING TO HALT ALL PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE GET THE GO AHEAD FROM THESE AGENCIES THAT IT'S OKAY TO PROCEED. I THINK THAT'S THE SAFEST THING TO DO. THAT MEANS IT'S GOING TO SLOW ME DOWN AS FAR AS MY PROGRESSION AND OUR REPAIRS. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE SAFEST THING TO DO FOR EVERYONE RIGHT NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER CLEMONS, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I KIND OF CAME IN ON THE BACK END OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT JUST PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE WAS SAYING WITH REGARDS TO PAYING THOSE VENDORS, THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'LL JUST SORT OF YOU CAN SCALE BACK ON SOME OF THE THINGS. YOU WON'T GO OUT WITH THE HARD CONSTRUCTION PORTION.

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BUT FOR THOSE THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE, WE'VE PAID THE 15%. LET'S JUST SAY IT'S A HALF $1 MILLION PROJECT. YOU PAY THE 15% $75,000. SO THAT LEAVES THE OTHER 425. IF THERE'S A VENDOR THAT HAS DONE THE WORK AND THE WORK IS COMPLETED, I GUESS THIS WOULD BE TWO FOR THE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. ARE THERE ANY LEGAL? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE THE WORK. WE CAN'T PAY THEM BECAUSE THAT MONEY WAS OR DO WE HAVE YOU PAY FROM CAPITAL FUNDS OR. NO. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS, THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED WERE THE GFA LOANS THAT WE RECEIVED THREE YEARS AGO. OKAY. SO THOSE FUNDS ARE. YES. AND SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK I RECEIVED THE INVOICE FOR $10,000 FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND ENGINEERING. THAT'S NOT REALLY THE COST. THE COST IS THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BRING IN SURVEYORS, GEOTECH ENGINEERS. IT'S THAT'S THE COST.

SO WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE ENGINEERING DESIGN AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT. BUT WE WILL HALT ANY CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. SO MY WELL I THINK WELL THE QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE THAT WILL BE IMPACTED WITH, WITH WITH THE WITH THE I THINK IT WILL SLOW US DOWN. BUT FINANCIALLY WE HAVE FUNDS. WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL FEES AVAILABLE. WE HAVE FUNDING FROM THE MUNICIPAL OPTION SALES TAX. REMEMBER THAT'S FOR ANY INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH PAYING ENGINEERING AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT FEES BUT NOT CONSTRUCTION. OKAY, SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S JUST LIKE A HARD PRESS WITH NO, THERE'S NOTHING WE DON'T OWE ANYBODY. WE HAVEN'T DONE A HALF $1 MILLION JOB. PAY 75. WE OWE SOMEBODY FOR 25. NO. THE LOANS. YEAH. WE'RE WE'RE EVERYTHING IS UP TO DATE. I MEAN, WHEN THEY SENT THAT OUT, THAT WAS MY DECISION TO FREEZE AND HALT. I MEAN, I CAN PROVIDE AN UPDATE WHEN THEY UNFREEZE IT. I'M SURE YOU ALL WILL PROBABLY GET THE SAME LETTER THAT I'M GETTING, BUT IT IT'S THE SAFEST THING TO DO NOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DON'T WANT TO START WORKING. WE CAN'T PAY OUR VENDORS. I DON'T I WOULD NEVER DO THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO GET US THROUGH THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR JUST PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND ENGINEERING SERVICES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU I YIELD. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION AROUND MOST. IF OUR MUNICIPAL OPTION SALES TAX FUNDING COULD BE USED AND IS HELPFUL. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE USING FOR ENGINEERING AND. THE ENGINEERING OF SURVEYING AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT. PROJECT MANAGEMENT. SO ON THIS SLIDE, $1,744,189 IS FROZEN. GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. WOULD I ADD THAT TO THE 24,578,152? NO, MA'AM. THAT'S PRE-AWARD GRANTS THAT WE APPLIED FOR, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY FUNDING FOR. NO. CORRECT. BUT THIS IS SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED. CORRECT. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE FUNDING. CORRECT. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS FROZEN, WHICH MEANS THAT'S 1,744,189.

YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE 24,000,005 78 152 HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED. SO IT'S FROZEN, CORRECT? RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE ADD THAT NUMBER TO THIS. AND THEN THE STATE FUNDED GRANTS. ARE THOSE THE FLOW THROUGH THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THOSE ARE YOUR LSAPS THAT COMES THROUGH I THINK THE GDOT AILMENT. ELSA OR LMG YEAH. LMG YES, MA'AM. BUT ARE THOSE FEDERALLY FUNDED AS PASS THROUGH OR. NO THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE STATE THEY'RE STATE TOTAL STATE. AND WHAT'S THE LOCAL FUNDING GRANT EMILY. THE 35,000 FROM AFRICAN AMERICAN MAYORS ASSOCIATION. WE STILL HAVE SOME SOME OF THOSE THOSE FUNDS WERE GIVEN UP FRONT. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NO FROM THIS THIS IS THIS LOCAL FUNDS. OKAY. SO THIS IS ALL GRANTS. SO THAT TOTAL IS $26,322,341. THAT IS IN THE FROZEN BUCKET PER SE, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AUTHORIZED BUT CAN'T MOVE. AND SO YEAH, FOR THE TABLE AND FOR THESE NINE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THE PROJECTS IN EACH AMOUNT AND SHOW THOSE OUT TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT OUR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS HAVE IT AS THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THIS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE NEED, PRIORITIZE. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS A GOOD START FOR US TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA. AND SO OUR BUDGET IS ABOUT $210 MILLION. YES, MA'AM. SO THIS IS I MEAN, MATH. IT'S A LITTLE OVER 10%. OVER 10%. SO 90

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WE'RE ABOUT 90. NO WAIT. WITH THE PRE AWARDS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE AUTHORIZED, WE HAVEN'T ADDED THOSE INTO THE BUDGET YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN AWARDED THEM YET. SO THE BUDGET IMPACT RIGHT NOW BASED UPON THE APPROVED BUDGET IS A 1,744,189. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THESE WOULD ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR. YES, MA'AM. WE WILL. SO RIGHT NOW, THE 1,744,189, I CAN'T EVEN THAT'S WHAT 2% IS. I'M NOT SURE. BUT IT'S A LOW PERCENT OF THE OVERALL BUDGET. CORRECT. THE AUTHORIZED FUNDS ADDED TO THAT WOULD BRING US TO A LITTLE OVER 10%, BUT THAT'S ASSUMING THOSE MOVE FORWARD. SO YEAH, KNOWING THOSE TYPES OF THE PROJECTS FOR EACH WOULD BE HELPFUL. YES, MA'AM. AND THE ONES THAT'S GOOD. JUST KNOWING WHAT IT IS. THE FROZEN. YEAH. KNOWING WHAT WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE FOR EACH ONE WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. MADAM MAYOR, I WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE ROUNDTABLE COMING UP. THE STATE HAS 11 BILLION IN SURPLUS FUNDS. SO IF WE DON'T ASK, WE SHOULD ASK OUR DELEGATION TO TAP INTO SOME OF THOSE FUNDS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE ONES RELATED TO WATER. AND A LOT OF THE LEGISLATIVELY MANDATED. MANDATES. YES. YEAH. SO, YEAH, WE ONLY NEED 26,322,341 OUT OF 11 BILLION. THAT'S PROBABLY DOABLE, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT, MISS JESSIE. AND A SPECIFIC ASK THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY GIVE THEM AS WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. AND ALSO THE STATE PROJECTS, I THINK THERE WERE NINE. WE'LL NEED TO KNOW THAT FOR OUR STATE LEGISLATORS. OKAY. RIGHT. EVEN IF IT'S NOT FROZEN WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. SO THEY'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN THIS IS OUR GAP. RIGHT. AND TO MISS JESSIE'S POINT, THAT'S A GREAT RECOMMENDATION AROUND FUNDING SOURCE. THAT'S PIGGY BANK THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. SO YOU THINK WE CAN HAVE THIS BY AN UPDATED PRESENTATION ON MONDAY, AND THEN WE COULD SHARE THIS. SO FEDERAL PROJECTS BROKEN OUT THE STATE.

YOU CAN DO THE LOCAL. BUT I KNOW WHAT THAT ONE IS. BUT YOU CAN JUST THE ONES WHERE YOU SAY THE TOTAL. IF WE CAN SAY WHAT THEY ARE. YES MA'AM. AND THE AMOUNTS FOR EACH. AND THEN OUR TOTAL FEDERAL BUCKET. SO CONGRESSIONAL DIRECTED SPENDING THE 1.6 IS THAT IN THE 24 MILLION. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. IN THE 15 MILLION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THAT'LL BE GREAT. THANK YOU.

JESSIE, ITEM NUMBER. OH. UPDATE ON FACADE GRANT. IS. THAT RIGHT? OH, MADAM MAYOR, MACEO ROGERS IS

[II.5. Update on Facade Program]

GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM. COUNCILMAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE HE STARTS TO SEE YOUR LIGHT? OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS SPRING. OH, IT'S THE SAME.

NO, THE AIR CAME BACK ON. NO IT'S NOT, IT'S AROUND. YES. I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TO GET AN UPDATE. I TALKED. THERE ARE SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE REACHED OUT OR HAD CONVERSATIONS. ONE WHAT IS AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT, BUT WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT? WHAT CAN AND CAN'T THEY DO? BECAUSE I THINK AND THE DEADLINE ON THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE. SO IF A BUSINESS WANTS TO COME AND THEY WANT TO ENHANCE THE DRAWING OR THE LIGHTING, THEY'RE BEING TOLD THEY CAN'T DO THAT. TO ME, THAT'S PART OF FIXING UP YOUR BUILDING, ENHANCING IT. SO WHAT IS INCLUDED AND HOW AND WHAT IS THE HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE DETERMINATION OF WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE? USED TO FIX UP A BUILDING? WHO LAID OUT THE DETERMINATION OF HOW THEY COULD USE THE FUNDING TO FIX UP THEIR BUILDING WHEN OR FIX UP THEIR

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PLACE OF BUSINESS, WHEN IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE DOORS, IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE WINDOWS, IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE LIGHTING, THAT SAFETY THAT ENHANCE THE BUILDING. SO HOW IS IT DETERMINED THAT THEY CAN'T USE IT FOR THIS? THEY CAN'T USE IT FOR THAT? BECAUSE I THINK IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT'S TURNING A LOT OF PEOPLE AWAY. AND THEN THERE'S THE TIME FRAME ON THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE. ARE YOU GIVING THEM OR ARE YOU GIVING THEM ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO GET THREE ESTIMATES, WHICH TAKES TIME TO GET THAT? SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS? GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MICHELLE ROGERS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO THE FIRST QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN, WITH RESPECT TO DOORS AND WINDOWS, IF THEY'RE INSIDE, THEY DO NOT QUALIFY. IF THEY'RE OUTSIDE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THEM VISUALLY FROM THE OUTSIDE, THEY DO QUALIFY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST MISCOMMUNICATION, BUT THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PUT OUT BY MY DEPARTMENT. WE LAUNCHED A PROGRAM ON JANUARY 15TH AND WE EXTENDED IT TO FEBRUARY 21ST BECAUSE OF THE SNOW. SO WE'VE GIVEN THEM THE BUSINESSES AN EXTRA WEEK IN WHICH TO FILE THEIR APPLICATIONS. THAT DEADLINE IS NEXT FRIDAY OF NEXT WEEK. SO THE QUALIFICATIONS IS EVERYTHING EXTERIOR. WE'RE TALKING FRONT STOREFRONTS OR FRONTAGE. WE'RE TALKING SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS. WE ARE TALKING DOORS, WINDOWS, AWNINGS, FRAMEWORK. WE ARE TALKING PARKING LOTS. IN TERMS OF YOUR YOUR THE FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING OR SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING. WE ARE ALSO TALKING FENCING AT THIS PART OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURE.

IN TERMS OF BEAUTIFICATION. WE ARE TALKING LANDSCAPING THAT CAN INCLUDE LIGHTING, SHRUBS, ISLANDS ON YOUR PARK, ON YOUR WITH WITH RESPECT TO YOUR PARKING LOT ITSELF, THE REPLANTING OF TREES, SMALL TREES. IF YOU GOT SOD, IF YOU HAVE PINE NEEDLES OR WHATEVER, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT CAN BE PART OF YOUR LANDSCAPING AND BEAUTIFICATION. ALSO LIGHTING.

BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN USE IT FOR PLUMBING. YOU CANNOT USE IT FOR YOUR ROOF ATOP YOUR BUILDING. YOU CANNOT USE IT FOR, AGAIN, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. INTERIOR. YOU CANNOT USE THE FUNDING FOR. WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE OR WOULD BE HIGHLY VISIBLE WITH RESPECT TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT HAS BEEN MISCOMMUNICATED BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY CAN'T DO DOORS, THEY CAN'T DO DOORS, THEY CAN'T DO LIGHTING, THEY CAN'T DO WINDOWS. SO I THINK IT'S JUST WHEN YOU HAVE THESE MEETINGS TO EXPLAIN THE, THE WHAT THEY CAN DO, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS WHO WANT TO DO IT AND THEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME. SO I KNOW, Y'ALL, YOU'RE REQUIRING THEM TO GET THREE ESTIMATES. WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THREE ESTIMATES WITHIN ONE WEEK. THEY'RE THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED TIME TO GET THOSE ESTIMATES. SO WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING TO WORK WITH THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE INTERESTED. BUT THEY CAN'T GET THOSE ESTIMATES WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ENCOURAGED EVERYONE, COUNCILWOMAN, TO READ THE INFORMATION, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO HAS UNFORTUNATELY NOT READ THE INFORMATION. AND SO WE ARE WE'VE DONE SIX A TOTAL OF SIX INFORMATION SESSIONS, LIVE IN PERSON COMMUNITY OUTREACH. AND I CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST OF WHERE THEY WHERE WE DID THEM.

BUT. UNFORTUNATELY, I, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO NOT ONLY READ, BUT TO REACH OUT TO US DIRECTLY AND ANY METHOD THAT THEY CHOOSE, THEY CAN COME BY AND SEE US HERE AT CITY HALL.

THEY CAN EMAIL US, THEY CAN MAKE PHONE CALLS, BUT WE ALSO WE'VE COME TO THEM AND WE'VE INVITED

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THEM OUT TO LISTEN. THERE IS A VIDEO THAT IS ALSO ON THE WEBSITE THAT THEY CAN PLAY BACK AND HEAR SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY CANNOT OR COULD NOT MAKE ANY OF THE SESSIONS THAT WE HELD. SO MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT GET THE THREE ESTIMATES WITHIN THE TIME FRAME? SO WE WHEN WE EXTENDED THE DEADLINE BY THE 21ST, THAT ENSURED OR AT LEAST HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE BASED ON WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD DIRECTLY. THANK YOU FOR THE EXTENSION. NOW, OF COURSE THAT WAS DUE TO THE SNOW, BUT AFTER THAT EXTENSION WAS MADE, THAT KIND OF QUELLED THAT NOW THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS OUT THERE WHO ARE STILL WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN EXTEND IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE TIME FRAME HAS BEEN EXTENDED. AND SO WE'RE SAYING TO THEM, GET YOUR INFORMATION IN TO US AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. NOW, IF THERE'S A NEED TO EXTEND IT BEYOND WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT IT WOULD BE AT YOUR DISCRETION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING WHAT WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO AVOID WAS DRAGGING THIS OUT BY GIVING EVERYONE A TIME FRAME OF STARTING OUT, AT LEAST WITH SIX MONTHS TO DO IT.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF THEY NEEDED EXTRA TIME, WE ARE GIVING THEM UP TO 60 DAYS TO ADDITIONAL MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO INTO THE OR AT LEAST IN THE YEAR ON A HIGH NOTE WITH THESE THINGS BEING DONE. HOWEVER, AGAIN, IF IT'S THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL TO EXTEND IT, EXTEND THE DEADLINE BEYOND WHERE WE ARE NOW, WE WILL COMMUNICATE THAT. OKAY, SO LET ME SAY THIS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU ALL DID NOT INCLUDE THE WHOLE CITY. YOU ONLY DID A SECTION OF DOWNTOWN. SO NOW THAT IS THAT THE SEARCH IS BROADER FOR ALL THE BUSINESSES. THAT DOES REQUIRE A LITTLE MORE TIME AND THAT DOES REQUIRE A LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDING WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS, SO TO SAY. WE GAVE THEM THIS AMOUNT OF TIME AND WE ONLY EXTENDED IT BECAUSE OF THE SNOW.

NO, YOU NEED TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE BUSINESS. IF THEY ARE INTERESTED. THEN AT THIS POINT YOU ALL NEED TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. TO WAIT, WAIT TO, TO PROVIDE WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR AND WHAT THEY NEED. WHEN A BUSINESS OWNER COMES TO ME AND SAY I'M INTERESTED, BUT THERE'S NO WAY THAT I CAN GET THESE THREE ESTIMATES WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, BECAUSE ONE, YOU GOT TO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT. TWO THEN THEY HAVE TO COME OUT.

THREE A LOT OF THEM DON'T OWN THE BUSINESS. IT'S OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE. SO THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH WHO OWNS THAT PLACE TO GET ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT'S NEEDED. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF YOU ALL ARE ABLE TO STAND AT LEAST GRACE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERY BUSINESS OWNER THAT IS INTERESTED IN FIXING UP THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS TO ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY, THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO WORK WITH THEM. YES, MA'AM. WE'RE DOING THAT. AND JUST FOR A CORRECTION, COUNCILWOMAN, WE DID TWO. IN-PERSON COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETINGS, AND EACH OF, WELL, IN DOWNTOWN AT THE CUPCAKERY. WE KICKED THAT OFF ON JANUARY 8TH, AND WE DID THE LAST ONE ON FEBRUARY 5TH, WHICH IS JUST LAST WEEK. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE FOLLOWED THAT UP AND WE DID ONE IN WARD A OVER AT THE BLACK ARTS IN AMERICA. WE DID ANOTHER ONE AT IN WARD D AT FOUR POINTS BY SHERATON HOTEL. WE DID. WE DID A THIRD ONE IN WARD WARD B AT THE CITY ANNEX. AND THEN WE DID, OF COURSE, THE FINAL ONE LAST WEEK IN WARD C AT SAINT STEPHENS MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH. SO WE'VE DONE A TOTAL OF SIX. WE'VE TOUCHED ALL OF THE WARDS, AND WE DID TWO IN DOWNTOWN. THESE WERE IN-PERSON MEETINGS WHERE WE DIRECTLY RESPONDED TO ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS HAD FOR US AT THAT TIME. AND WE DISTRIBUTE. AND I MUST GIVE A HUGE THANK YOU TO THE POWER DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE

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DISTRIBUTED 1500 FLIERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND I HAVE A LITANY OF THE AREAS THAT WE DID. I WON'T GO THROUGH THOSE, BUT I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THIS LIST. WE DID 5018 BY 24 YARD SIGNS, AND WE PUT THOSE OUT AT ALL OF THE VARIOUS SHOPPING CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS A TASK THAT WE COULDN'T DO OURSELVES. SO THROUGH THE EFFORTS OF THE CITY MANAGER, SHE REACHED OUT TO THE POWER DEPARTMENT, AND THEY WERE MORE THAN RECEPTIVE IN HELPING US GET THIS INFORMATION OUT AND COMMUNICATING IT TO THE PUBLIC. WE HAVE REACHED OUT AND MARKETED AND PROMOTED THIS INITIATIVE THROUGH VARIOUS MEANS AND METHODS, INCLUDING THE WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA, DIGITAL NEWSLETTER. THE FLIERS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, THE 50 YARD SIGNS. AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE DID IN FACT PUT OUT VARIOUS AT AT EACH OF THESE. THESE LOCATIONS, INCLUDING CITY HALL, THE BOWLING CENTER, THE LEC, THE CITY ANNEX, AND AS WELL THE. WE WANTED TO PUT SOME OUT AT THE LIBRARY, BUT THERE WASN'T WASN'T OPEN AT THE TIME. BUT WE HAVE DONE THOSE THINGS. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY WE INSERTED THE FIRST WAVE OF DIRECT MAIL FLIERS IN THE CITY'S UTILITY BILLS. AND SO THAT CYCLE IS ONGOING AS WELL. WE EXTENDED THAT TO ALSO THE CURRENT DEADLINE THAT WE HAVE, WITH RESPECT TO ALL OF THIS INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT, AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO THAT. WE RIGHT NOW RECEIVE ABOUT 2 TO 3 WALK INS A DAY SINCE THE SNOW, 4 TO 5 CALLS PER DAY SINCE THE SNOW. AND THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE CASE. AND ANYONE THAT NEEDS TO REACH US, WE'RE TAKING WALK INS. THEY HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS, BUT I'VE INSTRUCTED STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE MISLED OR MISGUIDED BY ANYTHING THAT WE'VE PUT OUT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CONFUSION IS, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE PUT OUT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT, AND IT CONTINUES TO BE CONSISTENT, AND IT WILL BE CONSISTENT AS LONG AS WE ARE WORKING THIS, THIS PROGRAM. WELL, LET ME LET ME SAY THIS. AND I'M AWARE OF HOW MANY MEETINGS YOU'VE HAD. AND I HAVE SEEN THE SIGNS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN ONE AT THE WAKEFIELD PLAZA. BUT AGAIN, I WILL SAY THIS. YOU ONLY ADDED THE MEETINGS AFTER COUNCIL SAID TO INFORM THE WHOLE CITY. SO AT THAT POINT, THE WHOLE CITY WAS NOT AWARE OF THE FACADE GRANT. IT WAS ONLY A SECTION, A PORTION OF THE CITY THAT WAS AWARE. AND NOW THAT THE THAT YOU'VE BROADENED THE NET FOR EVERY BUSINESS TO CONSIDER TO APPLY AGAIN EXTEND THEM GRACE BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM DON'T OWN THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE IN, AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR LEASING MANAGER TO GET THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING. SO THEREFORE, IF THEY CALL YOU AND ASK FOR AN EXTENSION, THEN WHAT IS WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT GOING TO DO TO WORK WITH THEM? WELL, AND CERTAINLY WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM HAND AND FEET RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, IF IT'S THE WISH OF THIS COUNCIL THAT WE EXTEND IT BEYOND WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE CAN DO THAT. WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO UPDATE OUR WEBSITE. WE WILL HAVE TO UPDATE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE CITY'S UTILITY BILLS. WE WILL HAVE TO PUT OUT NEW INFORMATION, PERIOD. IT'S THE WISH OF THE BOARD IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. WE HAVE TRIED TO DO THIS BASED ON THE INITIAL TIME THAT WE WERE GIVEN AS EFFICIENTLY, AS EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY AS WE COULD. SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CERTAINLY I'M NOT HERE TO PUSH BACK ON DOING THAT. WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT US TO DO. AND THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. MY HESITANCY EARLY ON WAS JUST STRICTLY BASED ON MANPOWER. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT OURSELVES, AND IT WAS WITH THE HELP OF THE POWER DEPARTMENT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT OUT THE 1500 FLIERS, PUT OUT THE 50 YARD SIGNS AT ALL

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OF THESE LOCATIONS, AND, OF COURSE, DISTRIBUTE THIS INFORMATION AT THE SIX LOCATIONS THAT I MENTIONED WHERE WE HAVE THESE FULL INFORMATION PACKETS. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THAT THE, THE, THE BUSINESSES THAT WE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN TOUCH WITH YOU, WITH THE MISGUIDED INFORMATION, I HOPE THAT THEY WILL GET ONE OF THESE INFORMATION PACKETS, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING BY SIMPLY WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN, AND WE'RE NOT DEVIATING FROM THAT BECAUSE IT CAN'T STAND ON ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT. THAT IS ONE WAY THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE ANY LEVEL AND DEGREE OF INCONSISTENCY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING. BUT BUT YES, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO. WE CAN EXTEND IT IF THAT'S YOUR WISH AND WE WILL KEEP MOVING FORWARD. COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER THANK YOU, MONSIEUR. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORTS THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO EXPAND THE CONNECTION WITH THE COMMUNITY. I TO HAVE YOUR SAW THE YARD SIGNS.

I. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD WHAT YOU SAID. THERE'S A QUESTION. AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU HAD APPLIED THUS FAR? SO RIGHT NOW I THINK, COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO UPLOAD IN THE SYSTEM. I HAVE I GET CALLS LIKE TODAY I GOT A CALL FROM ARDEN'S GARDEN LAST WEEK. I GOT CALLS FROM VARIOUS COMPANIES THAT ARE SAYING WE WILL, IN FACT, BE SUBMITTING OUR APPLICATION. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THEIR INFORMATION TOGETHER AND THEIR DOCUMENTATION AND REALLY SUMMARIZING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. BECAUSE AS WE HAVE DONE AND CONDUCTED ALL OF THE INFORMATION SESSIONS THAT WE'VE DONE AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE BASICALLY REALLY JUST LET THE COMPANIES KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE BASED ON MERIT OF THE APPLICATION, MEANING THAT WE JUST WANT THEM TO SUMMARIZE, TELL US WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, SO THAT WHEN THE INDIVIDUALS JUDGE AND EVALUATE THESE APPLICATIONS, WE CAN THEN SAY WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS LONG AS THEY ARTICULATE THAT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE MIGHT GET A ONE PAGER THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. IT'S STILL AN APPLICATION BASED ON WHAT THEY SUBMITTED, BUT IT'S FOR THE MOST PART, AN INCOMPLETE IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT. HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH THE DEADLINE BACK BECAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO BUSINESSES TOO, AND THEY'RE A LITTLE INTIMIDATED BY THE PROCESS. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU SEND ALL OF COUNCIL WHAT THAT APPLICATION LOOKS LIKE SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT? OH, CAN I CAN I SHOW IT TO YOU? SURE. OH, SURE. YEAH. BUT YOU CAN JUST EMAIL IT. EMAIL IT. OH, YEAH. SORRY. I'M SORRY. YEAH I WAS GOING TO GO GET ONE FOR YOU RIGHT OUTSIDE. NO NO NO JUST EMAIL IT AND THEN OKAY. MY NEXT THING IS AND MAYBE THIS NEEDS SUPPORT OF COUNCIL IS THAT WE EXPAND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING UNDER THE FACADE GRANT.

BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY OF A BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO EXPAND. BUT WITH THE GRANT, THEY WANT TO DEMOLISH A PROPERTY. AND THAT PROPERTY IS AN EYESORE. AND IT WILL IT IMPROVE THAT BUSINESS AS IT GROWS AND IT IMPROVES TOO. AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE GET TO GET THE CITY GETS TO GET RID OF AN EYESORE AND IT'S PART OF A FACADE, BECAUSE IF THEY KNOCK IT DOWN AND PUT DOWN A PARKING LOT, THAT'S A FACADE BASED UPON WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD QUALIFY? DO WE NEED TO GET SUPPORT OF COUNCIL TO IT? SO IF YOU IF YOU DO THAT, COUNCILMAN BUTLER, THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE GAME OF WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE NOWHERE IN THE APPLICATION PACKET DOES IT TALK ABOUT JUST DEMOLISHING A BUILDING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT HAS A BUSINESS OPERATING IN IT, OR IT IS IN FACT A PROPERTY OWNER WHO MIGHT BE LEASING THAT SPACE TO BUSINESSES FOR BUSINESS SAKE.

AND SO IF WE SAY THAT WE WANT TO DEMOLISH A BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S AN EYESORE, THERE'S NO BUSINESS OPERATING FROM IT. WAIT, WAIT, LET ME CORRECT YOU BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER. IT'S AN EXISTING BUSINESS, OKAY? IT'S BEEN HERE FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. IT OWNS A BUILDING. IT WANTS TO EXPAND ITS PARKING AND EXPAND ITS BUSINESS. AND THEN THEY WERE TOLD. WELL, AND THEN PART OF THAT EXPANSION, THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THIS OTHER DILAPIDATED PROPERTY TO EXPAND THEIR EXISTING BUSINESS. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A BUSINESS RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW OPERATING

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FROM THE BUILDING THAT THEY WANT TO DEMOLISH. THEY OWN SEVERAL BUILDINGS IN THAT CONCENTRIC AREA. OKAY. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EXPANSION OF THEIR BUSINESS. OKAY. SO THERE'S ONE.

APPLICATION PER CLIENT, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OBVIOUSLY THAT THEY CAN DO. WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY OF COURSE. AND SO WE'VE BEEN BECAUSE I'VE HAD SEVERAL BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS I SHOULD SAY. WHO SAYS I GOT, YOU KNOW, 7 OR 8 PROPERTIES THAT I WANT TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS FOR. AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TO SAY WHICH IS WRITTEN, IF THERE'S ONE PER PROPERTY OWNER, ONE PER BUSINESS. I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S I AGREE WITH THAT ONLY YOU ONLY GET ONE BITE AT THE APPLE. I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT FOR THE CITY IF WE GOT RID OF THIS EYESORE. WELL, OKAY. I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD ADDRESS THAT PER SE WITHOUT CHANGING THE, THE PROFILE OF WHAT WE'VE WHAT YOU'VE APPROVED. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS. ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY. I JUST HEARD MISTER ROGERS SAY ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE APPLIED. AND I ATTENDED ONE OF THESE FACADE MEETINGS, AND ONE PERSON AND I ATTENDED WITH THE INTENTION OF MEETING WITH THE OWNER WHO OWNED THAT PLAZA ON WASHINGTON ROAD THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND TALKED ABOUT. ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER FOR THAT PLAZA, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE HAS ADVOCATED FOR. SHE SHOWED UP AT THE MEETING IN WARD D, THERE WAS ANOTHER MAN THAT SHOWED UP FROM THE TRI-CITIES AREA, AND THEN ONE OTHER MAN SHOWED UP FROM OFF OF WASHINGTON ROAD. THAT WAS FOUR PEOPLE IN THAT MEETING TO RECEIVE THE INFORMATION. I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE REACH OUT TO THE PLAZA OWNERS AND HOLD THEM MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR HOW THEIR PLAZAS LOOK, BECAUSE THE LADY IN THE PLAZA THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE DISCUSSED, SHE WASN'T THE OWNER, BUT SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE OWNER TO ATTEND THAT MEETING, AND IT FELL UPON DEAF EARS. AND LIKE I SAID, I ATTENDED THE MEETING BECAUSE I WANTED TO PERSONALLY SPEAK WITH THE MAN WHO OWNED THE PLAZA ON WASHINGTON ROAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD DO. WE ARE PRACTICALLY GIVING MONEY AWAY FOR PEOPLE TO UPDATE THEIR OWN SPACES AND MAKE THEM MORE APPEALING, NOT ONLY TO THE CITY, BUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT SPEND MONEY IN THESE PLAZAS. THE YOUNG LADY IN THE PLAZA THAT YOU KEPT MENTIONING, SHE SAID SHE CLOSES HER SHOP AT 6:00 BECAUSE OF SAFETY CONCERNS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SHE JUST WANTS TO GO HOME. BUT I JUST I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH BECAUSE FOUR PEOPLE ATTENDED THE WARD MEETING AT THE FOUR POINT SHERIDAN, AND I WAS JUST A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, LIKE, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING, BUT AND I ALSO KNOW THAT WE CAN'T TARGET PEOPLE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK OF SOMETHING TO MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE GOING TO PLACES THAT ARE ENJOYABLE. BUT I GUESS IT'LL IT'LL BE A HOLISTIC APPROACH AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE OFFERING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN THOMAS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, WHAT ARE YOUR HARD DATES AS FAR AS LIKE YOUR DEADLINE FOR FULFILLING THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE FACADE? COME AGAIN, COUNCILMAN? HARD DATES LIKE LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR DEADLINES FOR FULFILLING THE OBLIGATIONS FOR THE FACADE. GRANT. OH. I'M SORRY. OH, YEAH. SURE. I'M SORRY. OKAY. YES. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE I, AN AWARDEE, RECEIVED THEIR AWARD LETTER AND THEY SIGN OFF ON THE FUNDING,

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THEY HAVE 60 DAYS TO ACTUALLY GET THE PROJECT STARTED. THEY HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX MONTHS TO COMPLETE IT. HOWEVER, IF THEY RUN INTO ISSUES WITH THAT TIME FRAME, THEY CAN SUBMIT A LETTER IN WRITING REQUESTING AN EXTENSION. THAT EXTENSION WOULD GIVE THEM AN ADDITIONAL TWO MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS NOW TO DO WHATEVER FACADE. AND THAT IS EVEN IF IT'S JUST PAINTING THE FRONT SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING OR JUST PAINTING THE BUILDING, PERIOD, AND DOING THE TRIMMING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT WE'RE GIVING THEM WHAT WE FELT IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO A FACADE PROGRAM BASED ON WHAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER. OKAY. BUT I'M ASKING WHAT IS LIKE EAST POINTS, LIKE THEY GAVE YOU $600,000. WHAT'S THE DEADLINE THAT THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT? IS IT THE END OF THE YEAR OR SO WITH THAT ARPA FUNDING THAT WE HAVE? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE TWO YEARS IN WHICH TO SPEND THAT. BUT OF COURSE, WITH HOW WE'RE DISPENSING THE MONEY, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE SEEING A MAX OF EIGHT MONTHS FOR YOU TO DO THE WORK, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY GET IT DONE. BUT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, WE HAVE TWO YEARS TO SPEND 600,000. YES.

OKAY. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE. NOW, I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT YOU HAVE A. TAX PLAZAS BUSINESS, INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THOSE PLAZAS. THEY WANT TO HAVE THOSE PLAZAS. THEY WANT TO HAVE THEM FIXED UP. HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO THE PLAZA OWNER? BECAUSE I GET IT. SAMMY CHEESECAKE. HE DOESN'T OWN IT. THAT'S THE ONE THAT HE DOESN'T OWN THE PLAZA. BUT GROW LLC, HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO GREEN LLC? YES, MA'AM. WE? MATTER OF FACT, THIS WEEK I WILL BE SENDING AN EMAIL BLAST TO ALL OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE ON FILE. OKAY. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SAID THAT WE WOULD DO FROM THE START NEXT WEEK IF THE DEADLINE REMAINS AS IT IS FOR THE 21ST, WE'RE GOING TO START A FIVE DAY OUT OR ONE WEEK OUT COUNTDOWN, SENDING IT TO THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS EVERY SINGLE DAY, FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE DEADLINE, FOUR DAYS, THREE DAYS, TWO AND ONE, IF THAT DOESN'T CHANGE, THAT IS THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. AND OF COURSE, WITH RESPECT TO THE TO THE UTILITY BILLS, AGAIN, WE STARTED THE VERY FIRST INSERTION ON THE 28TH OF JANUARY, AND THAT WAS AS EARLY AS SOON AS WE COULD GET THAT INFORMATION INSERTED. SO WE GOT THE PRINTING DONE. WE GOT THAT INFORMATION OVER TO THE COMPANY THAT THAT DOES THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT IS. AND SO THEY'RE IN THIS CYCLE NOW. AND THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE UNTIL THE DEADLINE. AND I THINK JUST PAST THE DEADLINE AT THIS POINT OKAY. SO MY THING IS THIS JUST FOR ALL OF THE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO THROUGH PROPERTY TAX OR WHATEVER, BUT FOR ALL OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE IN EAST POINT AND I JUST KNOW I KIND OF SUGGESTED IT BEFORE, IF WE MAIL SOMETHING OUT, I KNOW EVERYBODY BECAUSE THEY SAY PEOPLE, EVERYBODY IS IN ON SOCIAL MEDIA. SOME PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE EMAIL ADDRESS, BUT IF YOU SEND ME A PIECE OF PAPER, I ALWAYS KNOW THAT I STILL GET A PIECE OF PAPER IN THE MAIL. SO IF WE LOOK AT THOSE PROPERTY TAX, THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THOSE TAXES ON THOSE PLAZAS, THEN MAYBE WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM. NOW, ONCE THAT INFORMATION IS OUT AND WE GIVE PEOPLE A SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TIME, BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU PUT A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WENT OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS IT DID, EVEN IF A HUNDRED BUSINESS OWNERS GOT IT AND ONLY EIGHT HAVE APPLIED SO FAR. I KNOW WE'RE STILL WAITING UNTIL THE DEADLINE, BUT I STILL AND I LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND WE ARE WAITING FOR THE DEADLINE TO SEE HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WE ACTUALLY GET IN, BUT IF I PUT THE INFORMATION OUT AND YOU DON'T RECEIVE, WHAT IS IT? YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM DRINK. NOW IF THEY DON'T FILL IT OUT OR THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, DO THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THEN THAT'S IT. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB IN TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT. I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS LIKE WHEN WE LOOK AT PLAZA OWNERS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE MOM AND POP INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PLAZAS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SENT INFORMATION OUT. SO I KNOW YOU SAY YOU DO EMAIL BLASTS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THOSE PARTICULAR BUSINESSES THAT WE SEND SOMETHING OUT AND FIND OUT A CONTACT PERSON. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY BUSINESSES WE HAVE IN EAST POINT. IF IT'S 1000 OR 1500, AND IF YOU HAVE TO DO MAIL OUT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A STAMP A LETTER COSTS NOW, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE TO SEND OUT 1500 LETTERS, IF WE HAVE 1500 BUSINESSES THAT WAY YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY AND THEN EVERYBODY HAS A FAIR SHOT AT IT. AND I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS TO LOOK AT THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS. I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP EXTENDING IT OUT. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST AT THE BEGINNING, BECAUSE AT FIRST I WAS LIKE A DEFINITE NO FOR IT. BUT, I MEAN,

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WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS THE INFORMATION, BUT AFTER THAT, WHATEVER THE DEADLINE IS, THAT'S JUST WHAT THE DEADLINE IS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE PLAZA OWNERS AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, WHOEVER MADE THIS, WHOEVER OWNS THE SAMMY CHEESECAKE PLAZA, IF YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT CARE ABOUT FIXING UP THE PLAZA AS LONG AS THEY'RE GETTING THEIR RENT. AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO TRY AND MAKE THESE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. BUT STILL, IF IT'S MY BUILDING AND I OWN IT, IF I DON'T WANT TO FIX IT UP, I'M NOT GOING TO FIX IT UP. YEAH, YOU CAN'T IMPOSE A FINE OR ANYTHING. I MEAN, AS LONG AS PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING MUGGED AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, OR IT'S AS LONG AS THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH WHATEVER IT IS THE CITY IS REQUIRING, WE CAN'T MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, DO IT. BUT I THINK AT LEAST GIVE EVERYBODY THAT FAIR SHOT. AND I KNOW I HAD MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY DID IT TO FIND OUT, LIKE GO TO THE BUSINESS OFFICE OR THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN GET PHYSICAL ADDRESSES ON THOSE PEOPLE THAT OWN PLAZAS AS OPPOSED TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND IF I OWN A BUSINESS WITHIN A PLAZA, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO WHO I PAY MY RENT TO, AND EITHER HE CARES AND HE'S GOING TO FIX IT UP, OR HE'S NOT GOING TO DO IT. SO I'M NOT FOR PUSHING OUT THE DEADLINE TOO, TOO FAR. I DO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TWO YEARS FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO SPEND THE 600,000. SO YOU DO HAVE THE TIME. BUT I THINK ONE LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THAT IS OUT THERE TO EVERYBODY. AND THAT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT I MADE BEFORE. SO THAT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY. AND YOU STILL ONLY GOT EIGHT PEOPLE THAT BID SO FAR. AND THAT'S IT. WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, APPLY FOR IT. I THINK THAT'S THE CASE. IT YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST MORE MONEY FOR PEOPLE TO DO MAYBE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO TO IMPROVE THEIR BUSINESSES. SO AT LEAST IF WE'VE DONE THAT THEN I THINK THAT'S GOOD I YIELD. HAS AN EMAIL GONE OUT TO ALL BUSINESS OWNERS? YES, MA'AM. THAT IS SCHEDULED TO GO OUT THIS WEDNESDAY. NO NO, NO. HAS IT ALREADY GONE OUT. WELL IT NOT THE DIRECT EMAIL, NOT THE ONE THAT I AM SENDING OUT MYSELF, MAYOR, BECAUSE WE WE'VE BEEN DOING WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS ON SEVERAL TRACKS. WE HAVE IT IN THE DIRECT MAIL OR THE UTILITY BILL, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU REALLY WANTED US TO DO, RIGHT? WE HAD THAT. WHEN IS THAT FULL CYCLE COMPLETE? WHEN IT GOES JUST PAST THE DEADLINE OF THE 21ST. RIGHT.

SO IF I'M IN THE BILLING CYCLE AND I GET IT AFTER THE DEADLINE, I CAN'T APPLY. BECAUSE THAT THAT IS CORRECT. BASED ON WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS, WE GOT IT IN AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD. AND THEY THEY INSERTED, THEY GAVE US THE ABSOLUTE MOST AGGRESSIVE DATE THAT THEY COULD GIVE US, WHICH WAS THE 28TH OF JANUARY. AND SO THAT'S WHEN THAT WENT OUT. THAT WAS ABOUT, WHAT, 13 DAYS AFTER THE ACTUAL DEADLINE? I MEAN, AFTER THE ACTUAL LAUNCH. RIGHT. BUT THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT IT TAKES A MONTH FOR THE FULL CYCLE TO RUN. SO THE ONLY WAY THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT EVERY BUSINESS OWNER GOT IT. IT'S THE EMAIL AND THIS MAIL WHICH WAS SUGGESTED PREVIOUSLY. IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET MAIL AFTER THE DEADLINE DATE, THAT'S NOT FAIR.

AND ANY OUTREACH SHOULD HAVE KIND OF STARTED WITH THAT IN MIND. SO I KNOW WE'VE HAD SIX MEETINGS, BUT HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE MEETINGS IF WE HAVEN'T SENT AN EMAIL WHICH IS GOING TOMORROW, WHICH IS LESS THAN TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE DEADLINE, THE EXTENDED DEADLINE, AND IT HASN'T RUN THE FULL MAIL CYCLE. SO. AND NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS INFORMATION THAT'S GOING OUT IN THE MAIL WITH A DEADLINE THAT IF WE EXTEND, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE. AND SO. IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY IS PROTECTED FROM ANY ALLEGATIONS OF TARGETING OR ONLY SELECTING CERTAIN PEOPLE OR ONLY LETTING CERTAIN BUSINESSES KNOW, AND PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT TO CERTAIN BUSINESSES AND SAID THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND THAT. THE ONLY WAY THAT DOESN'T COME BACK TO BITE US IS IF WE HAVE A WAY TO SAY, EVERYBODY GOT IT, AND TO THE POINT OF THE PLAZA OWNERS, THAT MAKES SENSE.

WHAT YOU GET THROUGH THE PROPERTY ASSESSOR PAGE INFORMATION. BUT LIKE EVERY BUSINESS HAS A BUSINESS LICENSE. THEY HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION ON FILE. AND IF WE HAVEN'T SENT AN EMAIL AND IT'S LESS THAN TWO WEEKS LEFT ON THE PROGRAM, HOW DO HOW ARE WE GOING TO SAY THAT

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THIS WAS FAIRLY EQUITABLY COMMUNICATED TO EVERYBODY? AND THEN WHOEVER APPLIED APPLIED PEOPLE HAVE TALKED TO CERTAIN BUSINESS OWNERS AND SHARED IT WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE. YEAH, AND THAT'S FINE IF THE CITY HAS SHARED IT WITH EVERYBODY. BUT AS WE STAND HERE TODAY, THE EMAIL WON'T GO OUT TILL TOMORROW AND THE MAIL WON'T RUN ITS COURSE UNTIL AFTER THE DEADLINE. AND SO, MISS JESSE. WELL, MAYOR, IF I COULD SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE EMAIL, WE COULDN'T SEND THE EMAILS OUT UNTIL WE GOT ALL OF THE EMAIL ADDRESSES. WE GOT INFORMATION FROM FULTON COUNTY TAX ASSESSORS AND IT DIDN'T HAVE THE EMAILS ON THEM, SO WE HAD TO PUT OUR BUSINESS LICENSE. YES, MA'AM. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOWNSTAIRS. WE GOT THEIR INFORMATION AND WE GOT THE INFORMATION FROM FULTON COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. THAT INFORMATION WAS INCOMPLETE, DIDN'T HAVE EMAIL ADDRESSES. SO WE HAD TO GET THAT INFORMATION BEFORE WE COULD SEND THE EMAILS OUT. AND WE DIDN'T GET THAT COMPLETE EMAIL LIST UNTIL AROUND TOP OF LAST WEEK. AND SO AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK IN TERMS OF GETTING THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER CORRECTLY. AND THEN OF COURSE, PUTTING ALL OF THE INFORMATION TOGETHER, SUCH AS THE LETTERS, THE FLIERS, THE DISTRIBUTION CHANNELS, GETTING IT ON THE WEBSITE, SENDING IT OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, THE DIGITAL. WE'RE SENDING THE DIGITAL NEWSLETTER OUT TWICE A WEEK WITH THIS INFORMATION ON IT. AND THEN OF COURSE IT'S IN THE CYCLE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING AS A SMALL SHOP TO TRY AND GET THIS OUT AS QUICKLY AND EFFECTIVELY AS WE CAN. WE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE. IF THAT'S THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL.

WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT. YOU LET ME KNOW OR TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO AND WE WILL SIMPLY DO IT. SO, MISS JESSIE. YES, MA'AM. YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE CONCERNS. YES. TONIGHT.

I MEAN, FOR. AND EVEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROGRAM BEFORE WE RELEASED IT, THE KEY, ONE OF THE KEY AREAS OF CONCERN WAS COMMUNICATION. AND HOW WOULD EVERYBODY GET IT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE SHARING IT THROUGH BUSINESS LICENSE AND TAX ASSESSOR CAME OUT. COUNCIL MEMBER COMES EVEN BEFORE IT WAS EVEN RELEASED. AND SO. WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE STUFF IN THE MAIL AND SOME BUSINESS IS GOING TO GET IT AFTER THE DATE. THAT'S IN THERE. THAT SOUNDS PROBLEMATIC AND COULD BE PERCEIVED AS AN ISSUE. SO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE READY.

TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT REGARDING A POTENTIAL DATE EXTENSION. COUNCIL APPROVED THE FUNDING AND WE WERE INFORMED OF THE PROCESS FROM OPERATIONS AFTER THE FUNDING WAS APPROVED.

BUT KEY CONCERNING. SO WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE MINUTIA OF DEVELOPING THE APPLICATION DEADLINES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT KEY HAS ALWAYS BEEN NOTICED. AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY HAS BEEN SAID. WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE APPLY, BUT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE AWARE AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE CREATED A WE HAVE A SITUATION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO RECOMMEND A DATE TONIGHT FOR THEM TO EXTEND IT TO A MAJESTIC FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU WANT TO TALK THIS THROUGH WITH STAFF AND FIND OUT WHAT REALISTICALLY WE CAN DO TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE HAS NOTICE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY.

THEY DON'T. WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE APPLY. WE CAN'T GO SAY TO THE PLAZA OWNER, YOU GOTTA APPLY. WE CAN'T HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHETHER THEY APPLY. WE CAN MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AWARE AND HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M TELLING YOU ALL, IF WE DON'T STAY OUT OF THIS AND LET A FAIR PROCESS PLAY OUT, IT IS GOING TO COME BACK AND BITE US ON THE BACK END, SHARING INFORMATION AND GETTING INFORMATION OUT IS ONE THING. IT SHOULD BE THE SAME INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN SHARED. BUT IF THERE IS NOT A WAY THAT WE CAN SAY EVERYTHING WENT OUT TO EVERYONE

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IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER CONVERSATIONS WE MAY HAVE, INFORMATION BE SHARING AND EMAILS WE SEND AND ALL OF THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC. THE CITY HAS NEVER OFFERED A GRANT LIKE THIS, AND IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED. BUT LIKE WE CAN'T PUT OURSELVES IN A AN UNFAIR POSITION OR A POSITION THAT'S NOT AS FAVORABLE BECAUSE THE THINGS WE DO ON OUR END TO EXPAND IT TO INCLUDE DEMOLITION. WE CAN'T JUST OFFER DEMOLITION TO ONE BUSINESS. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OFFERED TO EVERYBODY. AND I THINK WE NEED MORE FUNDING. IF WE START GETTING INTO THE COST OF DEMOLITION, BECAUSE THEN THAT CHANGES KIND OF THE WHOLE NATURE OF THE GRANT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MORE FUNDING WOULD BE NEEDED. BUT YOU'VE HEARD ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE SHARED TONIGHT. SO I'M TURNING IT OVER TO YOU, MISS JESSE, FOR YOU TO SHARE WITH US. IF YOU WANT COUNCIL TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AROUND THE DEADLINE EXTENSION, OR IF YOU ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND YOU SAY TO US, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON THIS, THIS IS THE DATE THAT WE'RE THINKING OF, AND COUNCIL CAN RESPOND TO THAT ON MONDAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, MONDAY IS ALSO THE MONDAY BEFORE THE FRIDAY THAT APPLICATIONS ARE DUE AND PEOPLE NEED NOTICE ABOUT IT.

AND IF AN EMAIL IS GOING OUT TOMORROW AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE IN DATE, IT SHOULD INCLUDE THAT DATE VERSUS HAVING TO GO BACK SHORTLY THEREAFTER AND GIVE ANOTHER DATE. SO, MISS JESSE. YES, MA'AM. MADAM MAYOR, IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO MEET INTERNALLY AND SELECT A DATE THAT WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO COVER THE AREAS THAT YOU MENTIONED TONIGHT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. AND THE FUNDING HAS TO BE SPENT BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2026. RIGHT. TWO YEARS, I THINK THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER LIGHTS. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE, MISTER ROGERS. AND YOU'RE WELCOME. IF YOU CAN JUST SEND US THE EMAIL AND LET US KNOW. MISS JESSE. YES, MA'AM.

I'M GOING TO GO TO. UPDATE ON POLICING T-SPLOST. I KNOW THAT I HAVE STAFF. OH, THE 581 AND. THE

[III.8. Update on Policing]

INTERRUPTERS. AND I THINK THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF STAFF. AND THEN WE'LL DO THE REMAINING HOURS. CHIEF, HOW ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? FIRST OF ALL, HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING TONIGHT? I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE QUICK AND PAINLESS REAL QUICK. THE HERITAGE PARK SITUATION WE HAD, I THINK I SENT IT BY THE SIR WE FOUND WAS ABLE TO GET THAT GUY. WHAT WAS UNIQUE ABOUT HIM IS HE ALSO STRUCK IN 2019. HE HAD ABOUT SEVEN HOUSES AND THREATENED TO ASSAULT PEOPLE. HE WAS ARRESTED. HE WAS LET OUT DURING COVID. HE'S NOT GOING TO PRISON FOR THAT CASE YET. HE HAD ANOTHER CASE IN ATLANTA IN 2022. HE HIT UNION CITY IN 2023. THEY ARRESTED HIM IN 2024. HE GETS OUT, MOVES BACK AT HOME WITH HIS MOTHER AND STARTED THE SAME PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR. SO I'M SO HAPPY FOR THE CITIZENS OF HERITAGE PARK THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET HIM OFF THE STREETS, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE HE STAYS BEHIND BARS. PEOPLE LIKE THAT SHOULD REALLY GET BOND FOR JAIL BECAUSE IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO THE SOCIETY. THE CO-RESPONDER PROGRAM, WE'RE DEALING WITH, THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DISABILITIES. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. YOU ABOUT THE GEORGIA STATE WITH THE SOCIAL WORKERS COMING OUT. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. WE'RE ABOUT TO GO AHEAD AND POST OUR CODE MANAGER POSITION TO GET OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT SUPERVISOR IN PLACE TO SPEAK ON CAMERA STARTED TODAY. WE ALSO PUT SOMETHING OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT THAT. THE LADY WHO WAS ATTACKED BY THE DOG. I MET WITH THE DIRECTOR TODAY AND HE'S GOING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION SHE NEEDS. SO I SPOKE WITH HER TODAY AS WELL. THAT IS IT. AND JUST REAL QUICK, WE CAUGHT THE GUY IN ATLANTA FOR THE HERITAGE PARK MEETING DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO WE'LL GET THAT TAKEN CARE TO MAKE SURE HE DOESN'T GET OUT? I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER, THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF, FOR CATCHING THE HERITAGE PARK CRIMINAL. ONE QUICK QUESTION. THE SPEED CAMERAS, ARE THEY JUST DURING SCHOOL HOURS OR ARE THEY ALL DAY? SO ALL DAY DURING SCHOOL HOURS, BUT NOT AFTER SCHOOL? NO. SO WHAT TIME DOES IT START? WHAT TIME DOES IT END? IT STARTS AT BASED ON SCHOOL HOURS, I THINK. 7:00 IN THE MORNING, 630. IT ENDS AT 330 TO 4:00. OKAY. THANK

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YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? THANK YOU. CHIEF, I KNOW YOU ALL WERE WORKING, DILIGENT, PERSISTENTLY, IMMEDIATELY AND WORKING WITH THE HERITAGE PARK COMMUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT VERY SENSITIVE SITUATION. AND THE INVESTIGATION WAS ONGOING FOR SOME TIME, BUT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO APPREHEND THAT PERSON, AND HOPEFULLY THIS TIME HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE OUT SO QUICKLY. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE CRIME STATS THAT YOU SHARED WITH US, AND YOUR EXPLANATION OF THEM. I THINK IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO EITHER THE MISINFORMATION, DISINFORMATION, OR MISUNDERSTANDING OR MISINTERPRETATION THAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT IT. IF YOU COULD, I KNOW YOU ALL PUT YOUR STATS ONLINE. YES MA'AM, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THINGS, TO SHARE THE CONSISTENCIES, OR IF YOU SAID A CRIME INCREASE AND THEN IT DOUBLED DOUBLING AS AN INCREASE. SO IT'S NOT A DISCREPANCY. IT'S A FORM OF INCREASE. RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD ABOUT THAT AND PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE AN ISSUE ABOUT WHAT WAS SHARED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. MISS JESSIE, TO PROVIDE A NARRATIVE, ALONG WITH THE ANNUAL DATA THAT YOU SHARED, YOU INDICATED THAT HOMICIDES HAD GONE UP, BUT ONLY TWO WERE STRANGER TO STRANGER. CORRECT? THE OTHER WERE PEOPLE WHO KNEW EACH OTHER. YES. AND THE. WAS IT CLOSURE RATE OR SOMETHING AROUND THAT. SO WE HAD THE SIMPLE ASSAULTS AND THEY WENT UP AND I THOUGHT PEOPLE THOUGHT SIMPLE ASSAULTS AND AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS AND ASSAULTS WERE THE SAME. A SIMPLE ASSAULT IS A PERSON SAYS, BASICALLY, I'M GOING TO SWING AT YOU AND MISS. THAT'S A SIMPLE ASSAULT. IT'S A CRIME DID NOT OCCUR. SO THEY ARE CONSIDERED SIMPLE ASSAULTS. AND THAT'S WHY WE DON'T EVEN CALCULATE THEM, BECAUSE NO ACTUAL CRIME OCCURRED. SO WHEN A PERSON SAW THAT, THEY TRIED TO SAY, THIS SHOULD BE CALCULATED WITH THIS, AND I EXPLAINED TO THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSON, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, MISS JESSIE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IT MAY BE HELPFUL BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE TO POLITICIZE SAFETY. AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS, PEOPLE SAFETY. THERE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE POLITICIZED. IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND WE ARE ALLOCATED CONSISTENTLY RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO ITS JOB. AND YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS DEFINITELY IMPROVED THE SENSE OF SAFETY THAT I FEEL IN OUR CITY, AND I THINK OTHERS AS WELL. AND SO YOU DON'T WANT YOUR GOOD TO BE EVIL SPOKEN OF AND HAVE PEOPLE MISCONSTRUING OR SHARING INFORMATION THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. WITHOUT YOU BEING ABLE TO SHARE THE FACTS AND EXPLAINING ANY OTHER THING AND HAVE THAT IN WRITING. BECAUSE WHEN YOU DON'T, PEOPLE MAKE IT TAKE A LIFE OF THEIR OWN. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU AND MISS JESSIE, BUT I. THINK BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD, WHAT I'VE SEEN AND. JUST THE LEVEL OF INFLATION AROUND THIS OR INFLATION AND POLITICIZING, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN ROGERS, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF, FOR WORKING WITH THE HERITAGE PARK COMMUNITY IN APPREHENDING THAT SUSPECT. YOU ARE APPRECIATED. YOU STAFF, YOU ARE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, CHIEF, I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. HAVE A NICE NIGHT. I'M HERE, BUT JUST HAVE A NICE NIGHT, OKAY? NEXT UP IS T-SPLOST AND SIDEWALK. WELL, LET'S LET'S GO IN A DIFFERENT

[IV.30. Council Review and Approval of HB 581 Estimated Millage Rate Certification]

ORDER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT TAKE MORE TIME. LET'S DO THE 581, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS SHARING THE CERTIFICATION ON THE DECISION WE'VE ALREADY MADE. LET'S DO THE INTERRUPTERS AND THEN COME BACK TO T-SPLOST. MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, SHANNON GOLDEN AND JEFFREY JACKSON ARE HERE AS A FOLLOW UP TO THEIR PRESENTATION ON HOUSE BILL 581. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL. WE DID RECEIVE THE FORM FROM FULTON COUNTY THAT WE NEED TO PRESENT IN ORDER TO HAVE IT IN BY THE 28TH OF FEBRUARY, AND IT READS AS SUCH, CERTIFICATION OF ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE. I

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HEREBY CERTIFY TO THE FULTON COUNTY TAX COMMISSIONER THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE LISTED FOR TAX YEAR 2025. THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE IS THE CURRENT YEAR'S ESTIMATED MILLAGE RATE, MINUS THE MILLAGE EQUIVALENT OF THE TOTAL NET ASSESSED VALUE ADDED BY REASSESSMENTS AS DEFINED BY OFFICIAL CODE OF GEORGIA CODE 48. DASH FIVE, DASH TWO AMENDED. AND WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS 13 MILLS. THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO SHOW ON THE ASSESSMENTS THAT COME FROM FULTON COUNTY. SO I'M SEEING A LIGHT ON RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE IT SAYS THE ROLLBACK RATE IS THE CURRENT YEAR'S ESTIMATED MILLAGE RATE MINUS THE MILLAGE EQUIVALENT.

THAT'S OUR ACTUAL MILLAGE RATE. WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, THE ROLLBACK RATE WAS 12 SOMETHING. AND SO I'M CONFUSED AS TO HOW THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE IS NOT WHAT THE ROLLBACK RATE YOU ALL SHARE WITH US DURING THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS. NO, THAT WAS THE 13 WAS THE NOVEMBER 13TH TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE ROLLING. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS 12.13 POINT SOMETHING. DURING THE. MADAM MAYOR, WHEN YOU WHEN WE DID THE MILLAGE RATE BACK IN SEPTEMBER, THE ROLL, THE ROLLBACK RATE WAS 12.75, RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WITH THIS WE HAVE TO ESTIMATE A ROLLBACK RATE FOR FULTON COUNTY. AND WHEN WE PRESENTED AT THE LAST I THINK IT WAS WORK SESSION. WE THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE THAT WE HAD IN THAT PRESENTATION WAS 13 MILLS. I'M JUST CONFUSED BECAUSE OUR ROLLBACK MILLAGE RATE OVER THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS HAS NOT BEEN 13 MILLS. IT'S BEEN LOWER THAN 13 MILLS. WE'VE SET THE MILLAGE RATE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROLLBACK RATE, THE ROLLBACK RATE AS ON THE PART 32.1 HAS BEEN AROUND 12. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR ACTUAL OUR ACTUAL MILLAGE RATE HAS BEEN 13. CORRECT. AND THIS SAYS ROLLBACK RATE. SO 13 HAS BEEN OUR ACTUAL MILLAGE RATE WHICH HAS BEEN HIGHER THAN THE ROLLBACK RATE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO HOW IS THIS OUR ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. THEY'RE ASKING FOR OUR ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE ON THEIR ASSESSMENTS. THEN ONCE WE RECEIVE THE DIGEST THEN THEY'RE GOING TO ALSO SEND OUT THE FORM THAT CALCULATES THE ROLLBACK RATE. WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US FOR IS WHAT THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE WILL BE, WHAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO IF THE ROLLBACK RATE DOESN'T COME OVER THE 13 WHEN WE DO OUR FINAL CALCULATIONS, WE WON'T HAVE TO DO THE ADVERTISEMENTS OF THREE DAYS, BUT THREE THREE ADVERTISEMENTS. SO WHEN THEY ASK US FOR THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK, THEY WANT US TO TELL THEM WHAT THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE WILL BE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DETERMINE THE REST FROM THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT YOU'RE USING OUR ACTUAL MILLAGE RATE AS A ROLLBACK RATE. YES. AND IT OUR ROLLBACK RATE HAS NOT BEEN THIS.

SO I KNOW YOU ALL ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MINUS THE MILLAGE EQUIVALENT FOR THE TOTAL NET ASSESSED LIKE ALL OF THAT IN THE SECTIONS. BUT I JUST FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE IS THE ACTUAL MILLAGE RATE. AND WE KNOW THAT THE MILLAGE RATE YOU APPROVED HAS NOT BEEN THE ROLLBACK RATE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO EVEN IF YOU AVERAGE THEM, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T REACH THAT. BUT THAT'S MY ONLY FEEDBACK ON THIS. THE REASON WE WERE USING THE ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE IS WHEN WE WENT TO THE MEETINGS WITH THE STATE. REGARDING THAT, MOST OF THE CITIES, AND THEY SAID YOU CAN USE EITHER AN ESTIMATED ROLLBACK RATE OR YOU CAN USE A. FIVE YEAR. THE AVERAGE OF THE FIVE YEARS OF THE ROLLBACK. WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN LOWER, THAT WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE LOWER THAN THE LOWER THAN THE 13 MILLS. BUT WHEN WE WENT THERE, THEY TOLD US IT'S BETTER TO OVERESTIMATE THAT THAN TO COME IN AT A LOWER RATE. SO THEREFORE WE USE THE 13. YES, I WAS GOING TO COMMENT TO SAY THAT

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WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. AS IT WAS EXPLAINED, WE GET TO SET THE NEW ROLLBACK MILLAGE RATE. YES. AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAID AT 13. YES. ANYONE ELSE? IF THE ROLLBACK MILLAGE RATE HAS BEEN LESS THAN 13 FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THE AVERAGE ISN'T GOING TO BE OVER THAT. BUT I'LL LET YOU ALL.

THOUGH, THAT'S JUST MY FEED TO ANYBODY ELSE. AND SO THIS HAS TO GO ON THE AGENDA. FOR MONDAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO APPROVE OUTSIDE OF THIS CERTIFICATION? NO, MA'AM. NO MA'AM. NO, NO. ALL RIGHT. MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK AGENDA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NUMBER 28,

[IV.28. Council Review and Approval of Vendor Gresco, Single Source, for the Purchase 6 Intellirupters. FY25 Infrastructure Account, Amount Not to Exceed $341,933.00]