[III.8. Council Discussion of Presentation by ECG (Electric Cities of Georgia) of Electric Rate Overview of the City's Electric Rates, Including the Current Rate Structure and Comparisons with Other Communities.]

MISS JESSIE. MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

SHAWN DOW WILL PROVIDE YOU INFORMATION THAT YOU REQUESTED ON YOUR DISCUSSION FOR RATE STUDY.

HEY. WAIT. OR WE COULD CONTINUE.

YES. THANK YOU. SO YOU CAN CONTINUE WHEN YOU'RE READY.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. HEY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

TONIGHT WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND THE COST, OF COURSE, OF SERVICE.

THE ELECTRIC COST OF SERVICE.

AND IT WILL BE PRESENTED BY ECG, WHICH IS ELECTRIC CITIES OF GEORGIA.

AND THIS IS THE DIRECTOR OF ANALYTICAL SERVICES MR. CHO NGUYEN AND THE MANAGER OF ANALYTICAL SERVICES, CATHY JOHNSON. SO. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TIME TO PRESENT IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. SO IN MARCH, I CAME TO YOU AND GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO WITH YOUR ELECTRIC RATE STUDY.

AND SO HERE WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE RESULT A BIT, JUST LOOKING BACK AT HISTORICAL DATA.

BUT IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN REGARD TO THE SUFFICIENCY OF

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THE REVENUE, THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT THE ELECTRIC RATE IS MAKING SO THAT IT COVER COSTS. SO THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THAT THAT THIS STUDY WILL RAISE WITH THAT, I INTRODUCE YOU TO KATHY JOHNSTON.

SHE WAS FORMERLY THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR FORT VALLEY UTILITY COMMISSION.

AND I'M VERY GLAD TO HAVE HER ON MY TEAM TODAY.

GOOD EVENING. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS OR YOU WON'T DO THAT? OKAY. SO ELECTRIC CITIES OF GEORGIA WAS ASKED TO PERFORM A COST OF SERVICE STUDY FOR THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. AND DOING A COST OF SERVICE STUDY.

WE USE FISCAL 24 BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS LOOK AT ONE MOMENT OR ONE PERIOD, RIGHT? SO IT'S A 12 MONTH PERIOD.

AND WHAT THE COST OF SERVICE DOES IS IT AIMS TO LOOK AT YOUR REVENUE AND EXPENSES, AND IT ALLOCATES IT ACROSS RATE CLASSES, AND THAT'S ALLOCATED BASED ON USAGE PATTERNS, BASED ON THE DEMAND OF YOUR SYSTEM.

AND WHAT THE THE GOAL NOT ONLY IS TO LOOK AT YOUR FINANCIALS, BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH OF YOUR RATE CLASSES ARE COVERING THEIR EXPENSES.

THEY'RE PAYING THEIR PORTION OF THE EXPENSES.

YOU WANT THINGS TO BE EQUITABLE.

SO ON THE FIRST SLIDE AND I'LL JUST HIT ON A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF THE NOTES.

THIS INCORPORATES THE BILLING INFORMATION AND UNAUDITED FINANCIALS AND YOUR POWER BILLS FOR FISCAL YEAR 24. IT EXCLUDES THE TAX GROUP WHICH IS THE CRYPTO REVENUE.

AND IT EXCLUDES THEIR POWER COST.

LIKE I SAID IT COVERS FISCAL YEAR 24.

IT ALSO INCLUDES ACTUAL REVENUES, WHICH FOR THE RESIDENTIAL WAS THE WINTER RATES FOR THE FULL YEAR INSTEAD OF THE SUMMER.

SO THAT'S A $1.4 MILLION LOSS OF REVENUE, WHICH IS IN THE COST OF SERVICE.

SO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE REVENUES.

SO YOUR ELECTRIC SALES WERE 43.6 MILLION.

OTHER REVENUES OF 1.1 MILLION FOR TOTAL REVENUES OF 44.8 MILLION.

AND ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE YOUR EXPENSES, YOUR PURCHASE POWER, WHICH IS YOUR. MY COST 29.4 MILLION.

OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE 5.7 A AND G 2.3.

CAPITAL 5.6. DEPRECIATION 1.5.

ALLOCATIONS AND GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS OF 4.7 MILLION FOR TOTAL EXPENSES OF 49.3.

WITH THAT, YOU WERE IN A DEFICIT OF $4.5 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

SO THE NEXT SLIDE TAKES ALL THOSE REVENUES AND THOSE COSTS.

AND IT CREATES A MARGIN PER RATE CLASS.

AND IF YOU SEE IN THE RED LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL THERE ARE 31% NEGATIVE.

YOUR GENERAL SERVICE IS 3.4% NEGATIVE.

SMALL POWERS IN THE BLACK 6.1%.

MEDIUM POWER 11.1%. IN LARGE POWER 14%.

ANOTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS YOU'LL SEE THE GREEN IS IN A RED BOX.

THOSE RATE CLASSES ARE SUBSIDIZING THE RATE CLASSES THAT ARE IN A LOSS.

SO BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT COLLECTING ENOUGH ON YOUR RESIDENTIAL, YOUR SMALL POWER, MEDIUM POWER AND LARGE POWER ARE HAVING TO PAY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL SERVICES NOT PAYING.

AND THEN ALSO WITH UTILITY STANDARDS YOU NORMALLY SEE RESIDENTIAL USUALLY ARE ALWAYS IN THE RED, RIGHT? GENERAL SERVICE.

YOU SEE IN THE GREEN. AND THEN SMALL POWER IS USUALLY YOUR HIGHEST RATE.

AND THEN YOUR MEDIUM POWER SHOULD BE LOWER THAN YOUR SMALL POWER.

LARGE POWER SHOULD BE LOWER THAN YOUR MEDIUM POWER.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S ECONOMICS OF SCALE, THEY HAVE LARGER USAGE.

AND YOU USUALLY TRY TO GIVE THOSE A BETTER RATE TO KEEP THOSE CUSTOMERS.

THOSE ARE YOUR CUSTOMER CHOICE TYPE CUSTOMERS.

AND THAT'S REPRESENTED BY THE BLACK LINE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT'S DECLINING STARTING AT GENERAL SERVICE. OKAY.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL.

AND ALSO PART OF THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY.

WE DO A PROJECTION A MULTI YEAR PROJECTION.

SO THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING PROJECTION FOR 25 YEAR 26 YEAR 27 IN YEAR 28.

ONE THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THE REVENUE THAT IS PROJECTED INCLUDES THE RESIDENTIAL GOING BACK TO A SUMMER AND WIN A RATE.

IF THEY DO NOT THE THE NET REVENUES THAT YOU SEE, THE BOTTOM YELLOW LINE, WE'D HAVE TO ADD $1.4 MILLION TO THAT, RIGHT? SO THAT'D BE AN ADDITIONAL LOSS.

SO YEAR 25 WITH SALES REVENUE OF 47.2 MILLION, USING YOUR YEAR END SETTLEMENT OF 2.5 MILLION BRINGS TO A REVENUE OF 50.75 MILLION.

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BUT YOUR TOTAL REVENUE REQUIREMENT IS 52.7 MILLION.

SO A NET REVENUE LOSS OF 1.99.

AND THAT IS PROJECTED BASED ON YOUR BUDGET AND ALSO YEAR TO DATE.

AND THEN WE PROJECTED THE FINAL FEW MONTHS OF 2025 IS WHAT THAT'S BASED ON.

26 DOWN TO LINE 17. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOSS OF 1.6 MILLION.

2027 SEVEN. A LOSS OF 2.38 MILLION.

2028. A LOSS OF 5.1 MILLION.

AND THAT'S IF NOTHING.

THAT'S IF NO RATES ARE CHANGED.

BUT THE RESIDENTIAL GOES BACK TO WINTER.

SUMMER RATES. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR ON ANY OF THE SLIDES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YES COUNCILMEMBER WAIT CAN WE CAN CAN THEY FINISH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE ASK ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT AS THE PRESENTATION? IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU GUYS. SO USUALLY IT'S DONE WHERE THE WHOLE PRESENTATION IS DEAD.

THAT WAY YOU WON'T HAVE TO STOP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND WE CAN COME BACK AND ASK A QUESTION. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW THE PRESENTATION IS ALWAYS I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU. SO WHAT ARE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE WITH AS THE PRESENTER? WOULD YOU RATHER STOP NOW AND ASK? OR I USUALLY AM FREE TO OPEN FOR QUESTIONS IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU FORGET THEM, BUT I ALSO DON'T MIND WAITING TILL THE END. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FRIEL, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH. I JUST IT'S QUICK BECAUSE ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE YOU TALKED ABOUT A GENERAL SERVICE CATEGORY. I JUST WOULD LIKE THE DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT IS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND. SEAN DO YOU WANT TO.

BECAUSE IT'S HIS BUDGET.

YEAH. SO. WAS THAT GENERAL.

HERE IT IS. YOUR GENERAL SERVICE AND GENERAL SERVICE TRANSFERS.

OH. SO THE GENERAL GENERAL SERVICE TRANSFERS FROM THE FROM THE REGULAR BUDGET OR FROM OUR BUDGET OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND IS ALSO SALARIES.

WAGES? LIKE INSURANCE, ALL THE STUFF THAT HR REQUIRES.

FOR THE MOST PART, AND THAT.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SO WE CAN SEE IT.

NOT THAT SLIDE. THE OTHER ONE.

YEAH. HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE 3.4% LAW.

THE 4.7. NO. AREN'T YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 3.4% LOSS FOR THE GENERAL SERVICE? SPEAKING ABOUT THAT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? THAT ONE. OH THIS ONE.

YES. YEAH. OH YEAH. SO GENERAL SERVICE ARE GENERALLY YOUR MOM AND POP BUSINESS.

THEY ARE REALLY A SMALL COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER.

THAT IS BASICALLY ANY COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER WILL START AS GENERAL SERVICE.

AND AS THEY GROW IN THEIR THEIR NEED FOR ELECTRICITY, THEN THEY WILL THEN RECLASSIFY TO SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE.

SO SMALL POWER WOULD BE LIKE A CONVENIENCE STORE.

MEDIUM POWER WOULD BE LIKE A PUBLIX, AND LARGE POWER WOULD BE LIKE THE SIZE OF WALMART. GENERAL SERVICE WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE SHOP LIKE ON THE ON THE SQUARE.

THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE, I THOUGHT YOU SAID GENERAL TRANSFER.

YEAH. THAT'S WHAT SEAN WAS EXPLAINING.

MADAM MAYOR, I COULD WAIT TILL THE END. I JUST WANT TO BE IN FIRST.

I CAN WAIT TILL THEY FINISH.

I JUST WANT TO BE IN FIRST.

QUESTIONS WERE ENTERTAINED DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE PRESENTATION. I JUST ASKED I APOLOGIZE IF ANYBODY HAD QUESTIONS.

OKAY. NOW, WE DO THAT AT THE END.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER. SO THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS FISCAL YEAR 26.

THIS ONE. YEP. YEP. SO THIS WOULD BE THE UPDATED COST OF SERVICE IF THE REVENUE WAS INCREASED BECAUSE YOUR YOU'RE RESIDENTIAL, WENT BACK TO SUMMER AND WINTER RATES.

AND THERE'S SOME ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH EAST POINT ON PUTTING IN THE RATE, THE CORRECT RATE CLASSES.

IF THOSE CHANGES ARE MADE, THIS IS WHAT YOUR COST OF SERVICE WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RESIDENTIAL ISN'T QUITE AS LARGE LOSS HERE. IT'S 24%. WHEN BEFORE IT WAS 31%.

TOTAL LOSS WAS 10%. WE'RE IN THE 26 MODEL.

IT'S ONLY 3.4%. SO IN THE NEXT SLIDE WE TALK ABOUT FIXED COSTS VERSUS

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VARIABLE COST. 86% OF YOUR COST FOR POWER ARE FIXED.

SO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A METER SPINNING YOU'RE GOING TO PAY ME.

AG POWER 80% OF YOUR MONTHLY BILL.

THOSE ARE FIXED COSTS.

YOUR SALES REVENUE. YOU'RE ONLY BRINGING IN 12% IN FIXED REVENUE.

SO WE TRY TO. YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THAT PERFECT.

BUT WE DO TRY TO RECOUP MORE FIXED COSTS WHEN WE START DESIGNING RATES.

SO THE CHART TO THE LEFT SHOWS YOU THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL BASE FEE FOR EASTPOINT, WHICH IS $12, AND IT SHOWS WHERE YOU ARE COMPARED TO GEORGIA POWER AND THE MUNICIPALS.

SO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM ONE THROUGH 35 ARE MUNICIPAL DATA THAT WE HAVE FOR OTHER CITIES FOR RESIDENTIAL BASE FEES.

SO THAT'S ONE THING WE LOOK AT WHEN TRYING TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE.

WE LOOK AT INCREASING THE BASE FEE TO HELP WITH FIXED COST RECOVERY.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS JUST A SOME TOPICS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, WHICH WOULD BE A MULTIYEAR RATE ADJUSTMENT TO SET RATES, TO COLLECT SUFFICIENT REVENUES TO COVER ALL COSTS, TRANSFERS AND ALLOCATIONS TO CORRECT THE RESIDENTIAL RATES BACK TO THE SUMMER AND WINTER. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID.

IF NOT, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE FORECAST, THE FIVE YEAR AND REDUCE THE REVENUE.

YOU CAN USE YOUR MCT FUNDS TO OFFSET SOME OF THE EXPENSES.

WE'LL DO A COST OF SERVICE RATE CLASS ADJUSTMENTS TO REDUCE HIGH SUBSIDIES.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS MAYBE THE RESIDENTIAL GETS A 3 OR 4% INCREASE, BUT YOUR LARGE COMMERCIAL MAY ONLY GET A HALF A PERCENT, BECAUSE WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO LOWER WHAT YOU'RE COLLECTING IN THE LARGER RATE CLASSES AND INCREASE WHAT YOU WOULD BE COLLECTING IN THE RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL SERVICE TO HELP CORRECT THAT COST OF SERVICE.

AND THE NEXT SLIDES GO INTO DATA TABLES THAT SHOW HOW YOU COMPARE TO GEORGIA POWER.

SO THE RED LINE IS GEORGIA POWER.

EAST POINT SUMMER IS THE BLACK WHICH WASN'T CHARGED THIS PAST YEAR.

BUT EAST POINT WINTER IS IN THE BLUE, SO THAT THIS MAINLY IS SHOWING WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY CHARGING ON EAST POINT WINTER DURING THE SUMMERTIME COMPARED TO WHAT GEORGIA POWER CHARGES DURING THE SUMMERTIME.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE SAME CONCEPT AS GEORGIA POWER IN RED, EAST POINT AND BLACK. THIS IS RESIDENTIAL WINTER, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW GEORGIA POWER COLLECTS A LOT UPFRONT.

SO $23, THAT WOULD BE THEIR BASE FEE AND THEIR FIRST 100 OR 2 KILOWATT HOURS.

SO THEY'RE RECOVERING MORE FIXED COST UP FROM.

THEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL NON DEMAND WHICH IS THE GENERAL SERVICE.

SERVICE. GENERAL SERVICE.

YES. THAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT.

THEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL AT 25 KW.

THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR SMALL POWER.

THEN YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL AT 50 KW, WHICH IS PROBABLY STILL CONSIDERED SMALL POWER, AND THEN COMMERCIAL AT 250, WHICH GETS INTO YOUR MEDIUM POWER AND COMMERCIAL AT 500 KW, WHICH IS YOUR LARGE POWER.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAD. COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

MR. WONG, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS HOW DO OUR LOSSES COMPARE TO PREVIOUS YEARS.

SO WE HAVE THE PROJECTED LOSSES.

BUT DO WE CAN WE SEE WHAT WE LOST IN PREVIOUS YEARS SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE? OR DO WE HAVE THOSE THAT DATA ON HAND.

WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA FOR EACH.

WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE THAT DATA.

WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AND LOOK AT YOUR AUDIT AND AUDIT FINANCIAL.

IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THAT.

THE I THINK THE, THE LARGER RATIONALE THAT COULD EXPLAIN THE LAWS IS REALLY THAT THE WINTER RATE THAT HAD BEEN CHARGED SINCE THE PREVIOUS FINANCIAL FINANCE DIRECTOR TOLD US THAT COUNCIL AGREED TO APPLY WINTER WEIGHT YEAR ROUND.

THAT'S GOING BACK TO 2020 TIMEFRAME AND HAVE BEEN FOR A WHILE.

YEAH, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GOT INTO IT.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'VE BEEN CHARGING A CHEAPER RATE SINCE COVID, AND WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK TO THE DUAL RATES OF WINTER AND SUMMER? I BELIEVE I THINK AS OF LAST MONTH, THERE WAS ACTION TAKEN BY MR.

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SHANNON GOLDEN TO GET TO GET THAT CHANGE BACK TO THE WHAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED, WHICH IS A SUMMER WINTER RATE.

I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S A.

HIGH. SO TAKE AN ACTION.

YEAH. DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE IN EFFECT? NO, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE AS YET.

I'LL GET THAT. I'LL GET THAT TO YOU.

YES. WITH COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.

I DO THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

TO HAVE PEOPLE JUMP UP IN THE RATE THAT THEY'RE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO DURING THE SUMMER.

MAY BE KIND OF DIFFICULT NOW.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER. I WAS SURPRISED THAT WE'RE STILL USING THE SAME THING WE WERE DOING DURING COVID.

LIKE. AND I'M. I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT THIS HORSE TOO MUCH.

BUT WHEN WE EDUCATE OUR CUSTOMERS, A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMERS COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR UTILITY BILLS BECAUSE WE HAVE A JOINT UTILITY.

NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE MUCH CHEAPER PRICE PER THERM THAN GEORGIA POWER.

AND SO THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO SUFFER FROM A HARDSHIP.

SO I'LL GO TO TWO MORE QUESTIONS, THEN I'LL BE DONE.

IN OUR REVENUE. HAVE WE INCLUDED THE FRANCHISE FEE FROM MICROSOFT? AND IF WE HAVEN'T, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ONLINE YET? CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT.

WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED ANY OF THAT.

THOSE FEES OR ANYTHING THAT WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED TO THIS POINT.

CAN YOU PUT THOSE IN OUR PROJECTIONS? BECAUSE THAT'S A $2 MILLION PER ANNUAL FRANCHISE FEE, I THINK. AND SO THAT WILL HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE THOSE LOSSES.

WILL THAT GO TO THE ELECTRIC FUND OR THE GENERAL FUND? CORRECT. I'M NOT 100% SURE ON THAT.

NO. YOU'RE NOT SURE IF IT WAS UP TO THAT WHICH FUND IT WILL GO TO, IF IT GOES TO THE ELECTRIC FUND OR THE GENERAL. I THINK USUALLY FRANCHISE FEES GO TO THE GENERAL ELECTRIC. OKAY, SO IT WOULDN'T BE COUNTED THERE.

OKAY. OKAY. AND SO I'M NOT.

CAN WE VERIFY THAT? OKAY.

YEAH. BECAUSE THEN THAT WILL HELP US IN OUR COUNTING SOME.

BUT IF IT'S GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND THEN.

RIGHT. AND I'M HAPPY TO INCLUDE IT IN THIS IF IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE ELECTRIC BILL.

MADAM MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU.

AND I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THE LINES.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE RATE AND YOU ANSWERED THAT AND SAID THAT WE WENT TO WINTER RATES BACK IN DURING COVID WHEN COVID FIRST HIT.

AND WE JUST NEVER WENT BACK TO BOTH SUMMER.

AND BECAUSE I THINK THAT QUESTION CAME UP BEFORE, WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO US, WE SAID, HOW DID IT GO? JUST TO ONE RATE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER REALLY DISCUSSED IT.

BUT I GUESS DURING THE COVID, THE COVID TIME, YOU SAID JUST DO ONE RATE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE FACING HARD TIMES.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS THIS IF IT GOES BACK TO THE SUMMER RATE, IN THE WINTER RATE, THEN THAT WHAT WAS IN THE RED, THE LOSS WOULD HOW WOULD THAT HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT IT? SO THE THE PROJECTION BACK TO THAT.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON ON CHART NUMBER THREE THAT'S A THAT'S THE LOSS NOW AT ABOUT 6.6 MILLION. WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT THE SUMMER RATE THEN IT GO DOWN TO 5.35 MILLION.

SO THE DIFFERENT ABOUT 1.2 MILLION ROUGHLY IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT YOU WILL GAIN.

SO WILL IT. SO WILL IT STILL BE A SHORTFALL OR WILL IT JUST IT'LL STILL BE A SHORTFALL IF YOU'LL GO UP ONE SLIDE.

SO THIS LONG TERM PROJECTION.

THE REVENUE THAT YOU SEE HERE INCLUDES THE RESIDENTIAL GOING BACK TO THE SUMMER WINTER RATES. SO THE LOSSES THAT YOU SEE ON LINE 17 INCLUDE THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

SO WHAT ABOUT THE BUSINESSES? DOES IT INCLUDE THEM GOING BACK TO THE SUMMER RATE? THE THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GENERAL SERVICE DO NOT HAVE A SEASONAL RATE. ONLY THE RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL SERVICE NON DEMAND HAVE SEASONAL RATE. THE GENERAL SERVICE NON DEMAND HAS ALREADY BEEN HAS ALREADY APPLIED A SUMMER AND WINTER RATE. IT'S JUST THAT RESIDENTIAL HAD BEEN ON ON WINTER.

SO SO ARE THE BUSINESS.

I'M GOING TO ASSUME THE BUSINESS ARE ON A HIGHER RATE.

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YES. YOUR GENERAL SERVICE IS $0.15.

THAT'S GENERAL SERVICE RATE.

THE GENERAL SERVICE RATE FOR IS 15.1 $0.05.

OKAY. RESIDENTIAL WINTER IS 9.87.

YEAH, THE RESIDENTIAL WINTER IS ROUGHLY 9.8 OR 9.3 CENTS.

OKAY. SO SO BASICALLY THIS.

SO WHAT THIS IS HERE IS JUST SHOWING US WHERE WE ARE WITH MIG.

BUT THIS IS NOT WAS THE ACTUAL PROPOSED BUDGET.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET THAT TOO CONFUSED TO THINK THAT THE ELECTRIC FUNDS ARE RUNNING A DEFICIT. SO IT.

SO YEAH, WE HAVE WE HAVE THE THE ELECTRIC AND THE GENERAL FUND.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING THIS MIG, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I WOULD SAY THIS IS FOR YOUR ENTIRE ELECTRIC FUND.

YOUR ENTIRE ELECTRIC FUND IS PROJECT TO BE LOSING ANYWHERE FROM ONE 2 MILLION TO 5 MILLION BY YEAR THREE.

SO. SO LET'S BE CLEAR.

IF IF I UNDERSTAND YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN. THE GENERAL FUND IS TOTALLY SEPARATE.

THE ELECTRIC FUND IS ALSO SEPARATE.

BUT THE ELECTRIC FUND BALANCE IS NOT RUNNING A NEGATIVE.

THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.

GOTCHA. BECAUSE WITH THIS INFORMATION, IT WILL BE PUT OUT THERE THAT THE CITY HAS A DEFICIT IN THEIR UTILITY IN THE ELECTRIC FUND.

AND THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S JUST RIGHT HERE WHERE WE'RE LOSING FUNDS BECAUSE OF THE RATE AND EVERYTHING ELSE BUT THE ACTUAL.

AND IT'S ENTERPRISE FUND.

IT'S THE ENTERPRISE FUND THAT IS THAT DON'T HAVE A DEFICIT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE UTILITY FUNDS GO TO IS THE ENTERPRISE FUND.

SO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AND PEOPLE TO BE VERY CLEAR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS RIGHT HERE, THAT THE ENTERPRISE FUND IS NOT RUNNING A DEFICIT.

THIS IS JUST WHERE WE'RE LOSING BECAUSE WE BECAUSE OF THE RATES.

BUT FOR AS THE ENTERPRISE FUND, THERE'S NO DEFICIT THERE.

SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YES IS CORRECT AS OF NOW.

BUT IF WE DON'T MAKE SOME CHANGES, THEN EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WAY DOWN THE LINE, THEN WE WILL BE IN.

BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE ELECTRIC FUND IS NOT IN A DEFICIT.

YEAH. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER COLEMAN, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO MY QUESTION IS, I UNDERSTAND HOW THE DEFICIT, IF WE KEEP THE RATES AS THEY ARE, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE USE THE WINTER RATE AND IT'S NEVER CHANGED.

SO TWO QUESTIONS TO FIRST IF YOU.

I THINK THE BIGGEST THING.

SO IF WE DO DECIDE THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE RATES OR WHATEVER.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO MAKE IT.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAD ANOTHER SLIDE THAT IF WE DID MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REALLY KIND OF SPEAK TO IT OR.

NO, BUT I JUST SO WHAT WE PRESENT TO YOU ON SLIDE NUMBER FOUR IS ESSENTIALLY THE BOTTOM LINE.

THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU NEED TO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT YEAR 2025, THE NET REVENUE IS MEANING YOU TAKE REVENUE MINUS EXPENSE, MEANING EXPENSE IS NOW GREATER THAN REVENUE.

AND SO YOU ARE AT A LOSS OF ABOUT 2 MILLION, RIGHT.

SO AS A CITY, CITY IS NOT FOR PROFIT.

SO THE GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN REVENUE EQUAL EXPENSE.

RIGHT. SO THE MAGNITUDE OF INCREASE THAT YOU NEED TO INCREASE YOUR REVENUE BY IS ROUGHLY $2 MILLION FOR 2025, 1.6 FOR 2026.

2.4 FOR 27 AND 5.11 FOR 2028.

SO YEAH, GET ALL OF THAT.

UNDERSTAND THIS FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING.

THE GENERAL I THINK THAT THE GENERAL IDEA IS, HEY, WE'RE IN A DEFICIT.

SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SO THAT WE'RE AT LEAST IN THE BLACK OR IT'S ZEROED OUT OR WHATEVER, IF THAT DOES HAPPEN AND WE DO MAKE SOME SORT OF DECISION TO INCREASE RATES, JUST ME, IF I'M SITTING AT HOME AND I'M ON, I JUST DO I DO BUDGET BILLING.

IF I PAY $323 A MONTH, WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IF WE MAKE THOSE TYPE OF ADJUSTMENTS? I MEAN, IT'S JUST AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU CAN EVEN GRAB A FIGURE OUT.

BUT I'M SAYING IF I'M GOING.

AM I GOING FROM 325 TO NOW? 350. JUST SO IF IF SOME CHANGES ARE MADE, PEOPLE CAN SOMEWHAT,

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YOU KNOW, PREPARE THEM SAYS, HEY, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUST. WE DO SEE THAT SOME ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT ME? THAT'S I THINK AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SPREAD IT OUT TO CUSTOMERS.

BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY A $30 INCREASE OR $50 INCREASE, OR DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE ADJUSTMENT THAT WILL BE MADE WILL TAKE DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL? AS KATHY HAS MENTIONED, I THINK WE COULD INCLUDE A HIGHER INCREASE ON RESIDENTIAL RATE AND SLIGHTLY LOWER INCREASE ON COMMERCIAL RATE BECAUSE THEY REALLY SHOULD GET THE ECONOMY SCALE.

THEY ARE USING THEM THE MOST.

IT'S HARD TO SAY. WHAT'S A MAC TO YOU RIGHT NOW. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT.

AND I KNOW IT WAS A HARD QUESTION, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IF I'M SITTING HERE AND IF I'M I BUDGETING OUT, YOU KNOW, I PAY X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR THIS PARTICULAR BILL.

WHAT AM I LOOKING AT NOW? THAT'S ALL. SO. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT, I SEE THIS, SO. OKAY, YOU HAVE TO GET BACK.

NORMALLY PART OF THE NEXT STEP WE WOULD GO BACK TO RATE DESIGN.

AND AT THAT POINT WE WOULD LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT INCREASE OPTIONS.

AND WE WOULD DO BUILD IMPACTS FOR EACH RATE CLASS AND COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, IF WE DO THIS INCREASE, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BILL IMPACTS.

RIGHT? WE GIVE YOU MULTIPLE OPTIONS, BUT THAT'S USUALLY AFTER YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD. ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR SAVING ACCOUNT.

THAT IS WHAT COUNCILWOMAN SHROPSHIRE, I WAS SAYING THAT AS A AS A WHOLE, THE ELECTRIC ENTERPRISE FUND HAVE SOME FUND BALANCE COLLECT OVER DECADES AND DECADES, AND YOU MAY BE WANT TO USE SOME OF THAT TO, TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW CUSHION THE THE INCREASE.

THAT'S YOUR DECISION TO MAKE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU TOUCH THOSE FUNDS, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CONCRETE COUNCIL ACTION THAT HAD TO BE DONE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER. YES. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

COULD WE GO TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT SAYS ELECTRIC? IT'S THE OVERVIEW, AND YOU USE THE THE NUMBERS FROM FY 24 ON THE REVENUE SIDE.

THERE IS A BULLET THAT SAYS OTHER REVENUE.

BUT YOU DIDN'T TELL US EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.

ARE THOSE RECONNECTION FEES? WHAT ARE THOSE OR COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THE OTHER REVENUE IS.

SO SOME OF IT IS RECONNECTION FEES, BUT MOST OF IT IS THAT WOULD BE LIKE OUR FRANCHISE FEES. WHERE YOU HAVE COMCAST WHOLE ATTACHMENT FEES.

SO EVERY, EVERY BUSINESS OR CORPORATION THAT'S ATTACHED TO OUR POLES, THEY PAY A FRANCHISE FEES, A FRANCHISE FEE.

YES. AND SO OVER THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW THAT NUMBER CAME UP.

OKAY. SO THE MAJORITY OF THAT YOU WOULD SAY WOULD BE FRANCHISE FEES.

OR WOULD YOU SAY THAT THOSE ARE RECONNECTION FEES? YES. PULL PULL ATTACHMENT FEES.

NOT SO MUCH. FRANCHISE FRANCHISE POLE ATTACHMENT.

IT'S A SET RATE PER POLL BASED OFF OF A PERCENTAGE.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THE POLE ATTACHMENT FEE.

YOU ALSO HAVE PENALTIES.

YOU HAVE OTHER FEE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, ALL THE REVENUE IS A COLLECTION OF ABOUT 5 OR 6 ITEMS IN TOTAL. WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAIL TO COUNCIL, BUT MAJORITY OF IT CAME FROM.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY.

ALL THE REVENUE ARE CONSIDERED AS ATTACHMENT PENALTIES.

YOU KNOW, PENALTIES FOR FOR PAYING LATE.

AS AS OTHER ALSO ADDITIONAL OTHER ITEMS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE DETAIL TO YOU.

OKAY. SO LATE FEES. POLE ATTACHMENT.

YEAH. RE CONNECTIONS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE ROLLED INTO THAT AMOUNT.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER THERE'S A LARGE ITEM THAT MAKES UP OTHER REVENUES AND MOST UTILITIES AND THAT'S REIMBURSEMENT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO IF YOU BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE TO A CAPITAL PROJECT AND THEY PAID YOU FOR SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S ANOTHER REVENUE.

OKAY. AND I JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE A BIG PROJECT THAT CAN VARY FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LARGE REIMBURSEMENT.

OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS ON THIS VERY PAGE IT SAYS MARGIN.

AND SO I THOUGHT, MISS JOHNSON, THAT I DID HEAR YOU SAY DEFICIT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WROTE DOWN DEFICIT.

BUT THEN I HEARD THAT THERE ARE NO DEFICITS IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S AN ENTERPRISE.

AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO A ZERO BALANCED BUDGET.

SO ARE WE PULLING THE FUNDS FROM THE SAVINGS OR RESERVE FOR THAT ENTERPRISE? AND SO THEN THAT WOULDN'T BE SUSTAINABLE, RIGHT? IT WOULD NOT BE SUSTAINABLE. YEAH. CORRECT.

WHEN WE DO A COST OF SERVICE STUDY, WE REALLY LOOK AT AT THE ACTUAL REVENUE VERSUS ACTUAL EXPENSE, AND TRYING TO IDENTIFY OR TRY TO GIVE YOU A REALISTIC PICTURE OF WHAT THAT FISCAL YEAR IS.

AND SO THIS IS THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 WITH 4.6 MILLION LOSS.

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THIS IS BEFORE YOU USE YOUR SAVINGS TO CUSHION THE LOSS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU A REAL REALISTIC PORTRAIT OF THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST THOUGHT THAT I HEARD MISS JOHNSON SAY THAT THAT MARGIN OF 4.5 MILLION WAS A DEFICIT FOR FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IT IS. YOUR REVENUES DID NOT COVER YOUR EXPENSES.

AND THEN YOU PULL FROM ANOTHER FUND TO COVER THAT, TO CUSHION THAT. HOWEVER EACH POINT.

RIGHT. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT THOSE ARE MY.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR THE SEASONAL RATES APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL SERVICES. JUST TO THE COMMERCIAL THE LARGE COMMERCIAL.

JUST RESIDENTIAL. JUST RESIDENTIAL, NOT THE GENERAL SERVICE.

IT'S NOT. IT'S A FLAT RATE PER KILOWATT HOUR YEAR ROUND.

OKAY. SO JUST THE RESIDENTIAL.

RIGHT? OKAY. THE LARGER COMMERCIAL RATE HAS WHAT WE CALL DEMAND CHARGE AND ENERGY CHARGE.

AND THIS COMBINATION OF INDUSTRY STANDARD RATE THAT IS NOT BASED ON SEASONAL FACTOR, IT'S JUST COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL USES IS NOT LIKELY TO BE IMPACT.

JUST LIKE NOT LIKELY TO HAVE THE SAME USAGE AS RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER.

THEY JUST BEING BILL AND THE RATE WE DESIGNED FOR THEM IS UNDER DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY.

THAN, THAN WHAT YOU TYPICALLY BUILD FOR FOR RESIDENTIAL.

RESIDENTIAL IS ENERGY CHARGE AND BASE CHARGE.

COMMERCIAL HAVE BASE CHARGE, ENERGY CHARGE AND DEMAND CHARGE.

AND SO THOSE THINGS COMBINE YOU KNOW, RECOVER COSTS AND TRYING TO MAKE A MARGIN THAT WAY SO THEY COULD SUPPORT THE REST OF THE CUSTOMER BASE ALSO.

COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO IF YOU COULD THINK ABOUT IT LIKE A REGULAR GROCERY STORE, THEY WHAT THEY ARE USING, THE ENERGY THAT THEY ARE USING IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR VERSUS A HOMEOWNER, RIGHT, OR RESIDENTIAL OWNER.

DURING THE SUMMER, RIGHT.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING A LOT LESS THAN DURING THE WINTER WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO HEAT UP THEIR HOMES AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW IT IS OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL THANK YOU.

SO I KIND OF HAD THE SAME QUESTION.

SO I'M MORE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHEN WE COVER THIS DEFICIT, WHERE IS THAT MONEY ACTUALLY COMING FROM? IT'S OUT THE GENERAL FUND.

OR HOW WOULD THAT WORK? SO THERE IS A ELECTRIC FUND ITSELF, NOT SEPARATE.

SEPARATE IT COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

WE DON'T DO ANYTHING. WE DON'T USE ANY MONEY FROM THAT.

IT'S LITERALLY JUST THERE.

COMPLETELY SEPARATE. TWO SEPARATE FUNDS.

WE CAN'T MIX MONEY, SO IT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

AND WE ALREADY KIND OF HAVE A, I GUESS, AN ESTIMATE WHEN WE'RE LIKE, SAY, WE'RE IN BUDGET SEASON NOW, DO WE HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE TO, TO, I GUESS, HANDLE THIS DEFICIT OR HOW DO YOU GUYS KIND OF ESTIMATE THAT OR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OR IS IT JUST A FUN.

SO I THINK WHAT HE'S ASKING IS HOW DO YOU PLAN TO COVER.

YEAH. YEAH. SO WELL WE HAVEN'T I GUESS WE HAVEN'T DECIDED OR WE HAVEN'T COME UP WITH AN ACTUAL LIKE, HEY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS FOR SURE.

IT DEPENDS ON WHEN WE FINISH THE WHOLE STUDY AND, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE YOU THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

THEN WE'LL, YOU KNOW, DECIDE ON WHICH WAY TO GO.

IF IF MAYOR AND COUNCIL DECIDES THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING, ANY INCREASES OR ANYTHING, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK TO THE ELECTRIC FUND TO COVER THAT LOSS. IF WE DO DO SOME TYPE OF INCREASE, THEN THAT LOSS WILL ALSO COME, YOU KNOW, AND BALANCE OUT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. ONE QUICK QUESTION. SO THE THE FRANCHISE FEE THE COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER MENTIONED FROM MICROSOFT THAT WOULD GO IN THAT OTHER REVENUE COLUMN IS THAT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WOULD GO IN THE GENERAL FUND. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE I'M SORRY. I WOULD IMAGINE YOUR OTHER FRANCHISE FEE, LIKE FROM GEORGIA POWER AND CABLE COMPANIES AND PHONE COMPANIES GO INTO YOUR GENERAL FUND. OKAY, I GOT IT. I'M SORRY. YOU GUYS DID ANSWER THAT QUESTION. MY APOLOGIES. THANK YOU. I NO NO, NO. THE ATTACHMENTS.

MR. GOLDEN IS HERE. MR. GOLDEN, CAN YOU COME UP? I'M SORRY.

FRANCHISE FEES. THEY GO TO THE GENERAL FUND AND TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND THAT GENERATES THE FRANCHISE FEES. THEY GO TO THE GENERAL FUND MAIL.

AND THEN DO THEY GET TRANSFERRED BACK INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND?

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NO, MA'AM. IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND.

OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION.

I DON'T SEE IT RIGHT NOW.

ON PAGE 60 OF THIS PROPOSED BUDGET WORKBOOK, I GUESS WE'RE CALLING IT SINCE IT'S NOT FINAL, BUT IT SHOWS THE ELECTRIC FUND.

AND ACTUALLY FOR FY 25, AS OF FEBRUARY 28TH, IS SHOWING THAT THE REVENUES EXCEED THE EXPENSES FOR THE AMENDED BUDGET FOR 25 IS SHOWING THAT THEY ARE EQUAL.

AND THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING THAT IN 2025 THE NET REVENUE WAS -1.99 MILLION.

SO I'M I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A CORRELATION AND WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US AND WHAT IS IN THIS FY 2526. I MEAN FY 26 PROPOSED I MEAN BUDGET, WHAT HE SAID BUDGET AND PROCESS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

THAT THESE NUMBERS SHOULD ALIGN.

RIGHT? SO LIKE WHERE WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? AND AS IT RELATES TO ACTUALS FOR FY 24, WHERE WAS THE MONEY PULLED FROM TO COVER.

WHETHER THEY'RE WHETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING DEFICIT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE COLLECTING.

WE COULD COLLECT MORE MONEY.

AND THE MONEY THAT WE'RE COLLECTING IS NOT COVERING ALL COSTS, BUT THE ELECTRIC FUND IS MAKING AND OR DEPARTMENT TRANSFERS OR MOVING THINGS AROUND TO COVER THE FUNDS FROM WITHIN THE ELECTRIC FUND, BECAUSE IF THERE WAS A FOUR POINT WHATEVER MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT IN 24, AND IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET BOOK, IS THAT FOR.

IT MIGHT BE ABOUT THAT.

BUT THEN IT SAYS THE ACTUAL IS ACTUALLY EQUAL.

LIKE WHERE IS IT? THE QUESTION IS WHERE ARE WE OFFSETTING IF IT'S NOT COMING FROM GENERAL FUND? YOU'RE SAYING THE RATES THAT WE ARE CHARGING ARE NOT ENOUGH TO COVER THE EXPENSES OF THE FUND? IS THE FUND I KNOW THE FUND ALSO ENTERPRISE FUND, THE POWER FUND. WE SELL POWER TO OTHER PEOPLE, OTHER ENTITIES OR CITIES.

SO WE'RE GETTING REVENUE FROM THAT.

IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL REVENUES FROM RATES.

BECAUSE I ALSO HEAR YOU SAYING THAT, NO, IT'S JUST THE RESIDENTIAL WHERE THERE.

WE COULD COLLECT MORE THAT WE'RE NOT COLLECTING AND NOT IN THE COMMERCIAL.

SO HOW ARE THE NUMBERS BALANCING? IF WE'RE NOT COLLECTING, WE COULD COLLECT MORE FROM ELECTRIC RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT WILL HELP TO RAISE THE RATES AND COLLECT MORE, HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WE MIGHT BE RAISING RATES, WHICH IS I THINK VERY PREMATURE.

BUT AS WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, HOW IS IT THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BALANCE THE ENTERPRISE FUND YEARS IN TO MOVE AROUND OR TO WORK THROUGH THE FACT THAT WHILE WE COULD COLLECT MORE FROM RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE NOT WE'RE COLLECTING COMMERCIAL.

THEY'RE ON THEY'RE NOT ON THE FLAT RATE OVER THE YEAR.

LIKE HOW? TALK THROUGH THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT COULD BE MISCONSTRUED OR TURNED INTO DISINFORMATION THAT WE ARE NEGATIVE IN THE ELECTRIC FUND, AND IT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO RAISE RATES.

WHILE WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THE ELECTRIC FUND WAS BALANCED.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL PULLED OVER MONEY FROM MCT, IF YOU WERE GETTING IT FROM SELLING POWER TO OTHER CITIES OR OTHER ENTITIES, LIKE HOW IS IT THAT THE REVENUE THEN EQUALS EXPENSES? BECAUSE THIS CONVERSATION IS REALLY ABOUT I'VE HEARD THE MARGIN AROUND RESIDENTIAL AND LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL.

SO I CAN ANSWER ON THE 25.

LIKE WHAT? OH I'M SORRY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. I CAN ANSWER ON.

YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT OUR FISCAL YEAR 25 VERSUS THE ACTUALS THAT YOU HAVE TODAY FROM FINANCE.

SO OUR ACTUALS ARE OUR.

OUR PROJECTIONS. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVEN'T SPENT ALL TO DATE, OR BY THE TIME WE HAD THE FINANCIALS, WE PROJECTED THAT YOU WOULD SPEND MORE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO ESPECIALLY THE LARGEST IN THE CAPITAL.

RIGHT. SO WE MAYBE YOU'VE ONLY SPENT 2 MILLION, BUT WE PROJECTED YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THE FULL AMOUNT, WHICH WOULD BE 6 MILLION IS WHY OUR NUMBERS WOULD BE OFF FROM 24.

OKAY. WHICH IS A YEAR THAT'S BEHIND US.

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THAT IS COMPLETE. THAT YOU'RE SAYING WAS NEGATIVE FOUR POINT ALMOST 4.6 MILLION.

MARGIN. RIGHT. WHAT DOES THIS REPRESENT? ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL? WE DID IT. NOT IN ANY BUDGET AMENDMENT, I RECALL.

AND I JUST THAT'S WHY I JUST ASKED THAT WE TRANSFER MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND TO COVER THIS.

HOW IS THIS COVERED? MR. DOW SAID THAT IT WAS COVERED WITHIN THE ELECTRIC FUND.

SO WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR AND THE INTERIM FINANCE DIRECTOR BEFORE US LIKE THAT'S PASSED. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 25 BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN.

WE GOT A COUPLE MORE WEEKS BEFORE FISCAL YEAR 25 CLOSES.

I KNOW MADAM MAYOR, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE IS DEPRECIATION.

DEPRECIATION IS A NON-CASH ITEM.

WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT AN ACTUAL EXPENSE.

RIGHT. SO WHEN WE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THE THE AUDIT OF THE OF 24, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S NOT COUNTED AS AN ACTUAL EXPENSE.

LIKE WE DON'T SPEND MONEY ON DEPRECIATION.

SO THAT'LL BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN TO WHAT, 3 MILLION.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE REFUND FROM THE FROM MY I CAN'T I'M SORRY.

SETTLEMENT. YES, MA'AM. THE END OF YEAR SETTLEMENT. I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS, BUT THAT THAT ALSO DECREASES THIS AMOUNT.

IT SAYS ALLOCATION SLASH GENERAL FUND TRANSFER.

RIGHT. SO THEN ALSO YOU HAVE YOUR ALLOCATIONS FROM YOUR INTERNAL FUNDS SUCH AS THE INDIRECT COST. THE INDIRECT COST.

CORRECT. SO PLEA IT. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THOSE THOSE ITEMS THAT THE GENERAL FUND TAKES CARE OF. SO PAYROLL FOR FINANCE, THOSE FINANCE THOSE HR ITEMS THAT ARE, ARE, ARE SHARED. THOSE COSTS GO TO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO WHY IF THAT IS AN INDIRECT COST, MEANING IT'S KIND OF LIKE NUMBERS ON PAPER.

BUT THE THE FLEET PAYS POWER X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S A REVENUE AND AN EXPENSE, RIGHT.

IT GOES IN TO COVER THE EXPENSES THAT I ONLY SEE THAT ON THE EXPENSE SIDE AND NOT ON THE REVENUE SIDE. YES, MA'AM.

IT'S IT'S THE IT'S THE PORTION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT FLEET FIXED.

SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, THAT DRIVER OF THE VEHICLES THAT THEY FIXED AND THE FUEL IS THEIR COST.

THEY'RE INDIRECT COSTS FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

SO FOR FLEET FOR MAINTAINING THEIR TRUCKS AND FOR OKAY.

YES, MA'AM. BUT THEN WHERE IS THE REVENUE FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON POWER? ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY THERE IS NO OTHER REVENUE FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

WELL, IF YOU ALL COULD SHOW I MEAN, WHETHER WE DID, IF WE DID OR DID IT, LIKE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GOT THESE NUMBERS IN THE RED, THAT'S HOW PEOPLE SEE AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WILL USE.

IF THERE'S NOT NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND CONTEXT PROVIDED.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE OVERALL FUND BALANCE FOR ELECTRIC, I DON'T RECALL THE OVERALL FUND BALANCE BEING NEGATIVE.

NO, MA'AM. IT'S ABOUT 13.

ISN'T ISN'T ABOUT 1313 MILLION SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE? CORRECT. SO IF THE OVERALL FUND BALANCE IS NOT NEGATIVE LIKE.

WE NEED A COMPLETE PICTURE WHEN YOU SHARE INFORMATION LIKE THIS.

YES. I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO MAKE ANYTHING UP, BUT LIKE, WHAT IS IT LIKE? THIS IS ONE THING. I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RATES AND CHANGING RATES, IT SOUNDS LIKE ONLY IF IF THERE'S A DECISION TO INCREASE RATES.

AND AGAIN, FIRST TIME I'M HEARING THAT TONIGHT.

BUT I DID SEE IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

THEN ARE WE NOT GOING TO INCREASE ON COMMERCIAL OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT INCREASING RESIDENTIAL.

BUT AGAIN, YOU ALL. I THINK MISS JESSIE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE STANDING IN FOR MR. JONES. YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO HELP WITH IT ANYWAY. WHAT'S THE COMPLETE PICTURE? BECAUSE WE HAVE A POSITIVE FUND BALANCE IN THE POWER ENTERPRISE FUND. AND SO HOW DOES THIS SLIDESHOW PRESENTATION MESH WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WE HAVE MESHED WITH THE ENTERPRISE FUND BALANCE, THAT WE HAVE TO SHOW THE OVERALL PICTURE OF THE ENTERPRISE ELECTRIC FUND AND THE HEALTH OF THAT AND WHAT MAY BE NEEDED.

AND IF IT'S WHETHER IT'S THIS FISCAL YEAR OR ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR,

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I THINK YOU GAVE SOME PROJECTIONS. BUT LOOKING AT THAT SLIDE, I MEAN, IT STARTED BACK IN 2024.

SO THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE RECEIVING IS NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER.

IT'S NOT EASY FOR ME TO GO TO THIS PROPOSED BUDGET.

DIGIT AND SEE A FUND BALANCE.

A POSITIVE FUND BALANCE.

TO SHOW HOW WE COVER THE -4.6 MILLION THAT YOU ALL HAVE HERE, WHETHER IT'S AN ESTIMATE. BUT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.

AND THE SOONER WE CAN GET THAT, THE BETTER.

BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA THIS PROBABLY ALREADY HAS WINGS, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SHARING THE COMPLETE INFORMATION.

MARY, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE THE FUND BALANCE IS THE IS THE HAVE FUND BALANCE HAVE BEEN ACCUMULATION SINCE YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS.

WHEREAS THE RATE STUDY IS INTENDED TO LOOK AT A WINDOW IN TIME IS ONE FISCAL YEAR FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR TO THE NEXT.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE WE SHOULD COME BACK TO IT.

MORE INFORMATION. BECAUSE YES, ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS YOU MAY BE LOSING MONEY, BUT YOU MAY USE THE FUND BALANCE TO CUSHION IT OFF.

AND SO ESSENTIALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CONTINUE TO USE FUND BALANCE TO CUSHION A DEFICIT.

AT SOME POINT, THE FUND BALANCE WILL RUN OUT.

RIGHT. CORRECT. AND SO IT MAY BE HELPFUL.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT. THAT WE CAN WE CAN OVERLAY THE FUND BALANCE AT THE BOTTOM JUST TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE FUND HOW IT WOULD JIVE WITH THE DEFICIT, ESSENTIALLY, THE FUND BALANCE, WHICH EACH YEAR OF LOSS WILL THEN BE, YOU KNOW, THE FUND BALANCE WILL BECOME LESS AND LESS AND LESS.

SO WE WILL BE GLAD TO BRING IT BACK WITH FUND BALANCE.

AND IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.

YEAH. IF WE GO BACK TO YOU SAID WE CHANGE WENT TO ONE RATE IN 2020, SO WE PROBABLY SHOULD GO FIVE YEARS BEFORE THAT.

I HOPE YOU DON'T TELL ME YOU DON'T HAVE INFORMATION.

SO I THINK FROM THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, THE LAST TIME THE RATE WAS CHANGED IN 2013 THAT WAS DUE TO THE HUGE.

YEAH, IT WAS ACTUALLY NEGATIVE, RIGHT? IT WAS DUE TO HUGE FISCAL YEAR DEFICIT.

AND SO THE, THE AS. AS BECAUSE OF THAT WE, WE MAKE THE RATE CHANGE.

AND SO WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT YEAR BY YEAR BY YEAR TO SEE, YOU KNOW HOW THAT FUND BALANCE CHANGED AND, AND AND NOTE ON THAT SLIDE, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GO TO 213 2013.

I THINK THE RATE INCREASE BEFORE THAT WAS MAYBE 2009.

AND I MEAN, THERE WERE A COUPLE RATE INCREASES WITHIN THAT ADMINISTRATION AND TIME FRAME. SO YEAH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO 2013 WILL GET THE LAST RATE INCREASE, BUT THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO MORE PRIOR TO THAT.

THAT THAT CHANGED IN RATES.

THAT ONE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS NEEDED, PROBABLY A HIGHER ONE BECAUSE THE THE ENTERPRISE FUND WAS ABOUT -3.5 3.5 MILLION OR SO AT THAT TIME.

AND WE HAD TO I GUESS DECISIONS WERE MADE.

BUT THEN THAT RATE WAS STABLE AND IT KEPT THE FUND BALANCE RUNNING AT A POSITIVE.

RIGHT. SO LIKE SEEING WHEN WE WERE POSITIVE AND THEN NEGATIVE.

BUT THERE WERE AT LEAST TWO RIGHT CHANGES.

I MEAN, I THINK 2 TO 3 BETWEEN 2009 AND 2013, 2013 WAS THE LAST BEFORE THE 2020.

RIGHT? SINGLE RATE. BUT THAT HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE WILL BE HELPFUL.

SO WE WERE NOT SPECULATING ABOUT REALLY THE HISTORY OF THIS FUND.

I ALSO ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IF YOU GO BACK ONE OKAY.

YEAH. SO. AND THIS IS ME BEING AGGRESSIVE WITH CAPITAL PROJECTS.

RIGHT. SO WE HAVE 5.6 MILLION IN CAPITAL.

RIGHT. BUT THAT'S FOR MOST OF THAT, AT LEAST, LIKE 3.5 MILLION. IS THE BIG GRID HARDENING PROJECT PUT IN A LOT OF THE REAL TROUBLE AREAS ON THE GROUND? RIGHT. SO ME AND SHANNON COULD GET TOGETHER AND LOOK AT THAT NUMBER TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, I COULD SCALE BACK A LITTLE BIT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS ONLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUR REAL PROBLEM AREAS.

IF WE LOOK AT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THEY'LL GET MOST OF THE OUTAGES FROM TREES

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AND ACCIDENTS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO YEAH, AGAIN, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A LEVEL OF PROJECTION THAT WE DO, BUT THERE'S A LEVEL.

LEVEL OF HAVING REASONABLE PROJECTIONS.

AND IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CAPITAL NEEDED TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO IS THAT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

RIGHT. LIKE, I'M NOT SAYING WE PLAY WITH NUMBERS WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. I MEAN, WE INHERIT A LOT OF DELAYED MAINTENANCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

DEFINITELY IN WATER AND SEWER, OVER $326 MILLION WITH NO PLAN AND NO FUNDING. AND ALSO IN POWER.

RIGHT. AND SO THESE BOTH ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE BE SO CONSERVATIVE THAT THEN WE NEED SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. AND THE FUNDING IS NOT THERE EVEN IN PROJECTIONS.

BUT I THINK THE PROJECTION SHOULD BE REASONABLE. AND IF THEY'RE THERE, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE CAN COVER THEM.

IT CAN'T BE GHOST MONEY, RIGHT? LIKE, WE CAN'T SAY WE HAVE THIS OUT HERE AND THERE'S SOME GHOST FUND THAT IS GOING TO COVER IT, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.

RIGHT? SO LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE THE INFORMATION AND IT NEEDS TO BE VERY RELIABLE AND REASONABLE, REASONABLY REASONABLE IN OUR PROJECTIONS TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN STILL PROVIDE THE SERVICE. I MEAN, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE RESERVES IS NEEDED IN THE ELECTRIC FUND, I MEAN, FOR ALL OF OUR CITY FUNDS AND EVEN GENERAL FUND IS IF SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE.

GENERALLY, I SAY AT LEAST SIX MONTHS, RIGHT? LIKE, YOU WANT TO HAVE A HEALTHY RESERVES, TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS IN MONEY SLOW COMING FROM OTHER PLACES.

SO BUT I DON'T WANT US TO GET TOO CONSERVATIVE.

RIGHT. AND THEN WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT, WELL, THE FUND BALANCE IS GOING DOWN.

OUR RAINY DAY. THE NUMBER OF RAINY DAYS WE CAN SUSTAIN IS GOING DOWN TOO.

AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? BUT I THINK HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

AND THE LAST TIDBIT AS WELL.

THIS OUR CRYPTO CUSTOMER.

IT THIS EXCLUDES THE 2.1 MILLION IN REVENUES AS WELL FROM THAT ONE CRYPTO CUSTOMER THAT WE HAVE. BUT WHY IS IT EXCLUDED? CRYPTOCURRENCY IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED AS LIKE SELLING TO OTHER CITY OR OFF SYSTEM SALES. AND CRYPTO CUSTOMERS CAN GO, YOU KNOW, MOVE OUT OVERNIGHT. THAT'S OUR EXPERIENCE.

SO IN OTHER CITY CRYPTO CURRENCY CITY DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THE BUDGET SIMPLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THEY CAN PICK UP AND LEAVE AND WITHOUT PAYING.

IN THIS INSTANCE, YEAH, THEY DID PICK UP AND LEAVE WITHOUT PAYING.

TWO MONTHS AGO, I THOUGHT YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DARYL AND WALTER ABOUT YOU AND ME TRYING TO HELP US ENSURE THAT WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH CRYPTOCURRENCY LOADS OR CLIENT USERS TO MITIGATE RISK OF THAT SO THAT WE ARE COVERED UPFRONT OR NEAR TERM VERSUS LOSING LONG TERM.

YES, THAT THAT IS TRUE.

BUT THIS WAS BEFORE THE WE SAW THE BIG EMERGENCE OF CRYPTO CUSTOMERS.

SO YES, THIS CUSTOMER HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS, I GUESS BACK IN THE 2020 TIMEFRAME WHEN THE CITY WAS MAKING AN OFFER TO THEM AT A REALLY LOW, LOW RATE. AND SO THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING BASED ON THAT SINGLE LETTER AGREEMENT AND WITHOUT ANY PROTECTION WHATSOEVER.

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MIGRATE THEM.

AND UP UNTIL LAST YEAR TO A TRULY MARKET BASED RATE.

BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THEM, THEY FALL BEHIND ON THE BILL WITHOUT MAKING PAYMENT. SO THE THE REVENUE, EVEN THOUGH IT SHOWS AS REVENUE THAT BEING BUILT, THE CITY HAD YET TO COLLECT ON THOSE MONEY.

THAT'S ROUGHLY NINE $900,000 UNCOLLECTED.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT WILL SHOW UP ON THE BOOK AS BEING A REVENUE, BUT THE UNCOLLECTED AMOUNT IS IS NOT BEING COLLECTED BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T PAID HAVE A PROJECTED DATE ON WHEN MICROSOFT WILL GO LIVE AND WHAT FISCAL YEAR THOSE FRANCHISE FEES WILL BE IN BECAUSE WE CAN'T COUNT THEM BEFORE THEY COME.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE COMING IN FISCAL YEAR 26.

I DON'T HAVE A DATE ABOUT WITH THAT.

RIGHT. LIKE WHEN WE INCLUDE IT, IT SHOULD BE THE YEAR WHENEVER THEY'RE GOING LIVE. I DON'T KNOW, THEY MIGHT GO LIVE SOMETIME IN THE SECOND PART OF 26.

I DON'T KNOW. THEY'RE THERE THAT TIMELINE EITHER.

BUT THOSE FRANCHISES OR FRANCHISE FEES GENERALLY INCLUDED AS PROJECTIONS WHEN THE

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UTILITY IS ACTUALLY ONLINE OR BEFORE IT GOES ONLINE.

WELL, SO JUST A LITTLE STEP BACK ON THE FIRST PART.

REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT SERVING MICROSOFT.

NO, IT'S GEORGIA POWER. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FRANCHISE FEES NOT THE ENTERPRISE FUND FEES. SO IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MR..

IT'S AS CHO AND CATHY INDICATED, THOSE THOSE WILL BE IN THE GENERAL FUND.

CORRECT. THEY'LL BE IN THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WILL WE PUT THEM IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR FY 26 IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO START PAYING IN FY 26? OR WE WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO START PAYING, WE GET SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT THEY'RE UP AND ONLINE BEFORE WE INCLUDE THEM IN THE BUDGET. YEAH. NO. YEAH.

NORMALLY WHAT WE'LL SEE IS DEFINITELY WHEN THEY'RE ONLINE FROM THAT FIRST DATE OF SERVICE MOVING FORWARD.

NOT YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS ONE BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT SERVING ANY POWER TO THEM, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A FRANCHISE FEE. CORRECT. AND A FRANCHISE FEE.

ALSO GETTING PAID, USUALLY THE UTILITY PAID TO THE CITY ONE TIME A YEAR.

SO ESSENTIALLY AFTER 12 MONTHS OF SERVICE HAVE BEEN OVER, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THEY WILL TENDER THAT CHECK TO THE CITY.

AND THAT'S ROUGHLY 4% OF WHATEVER THE GEORGIA POWER DECIDED TO GIVE THEM.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THESE KIND OF UNKNOWN, BECAUSE GEORGIA POWER COULD OFFER A REALLY, YOU KNOW, CHEAP RATE TO BECAUSE A RELATIVELY LARGE CUSTOMER.

SO TO KNOW I GUESS THE ONE RECOMMENDATION IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE ORGANIZATION IN THE STATE THAT COULD DO THE FRANCHISE FEE AUDIT, AND THAT'S GEORGIA MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION.

THEY COULD GO OUT AND DO THE FRANCHISE FEE AUDIT, BECAUSE IF THE CITY OR EVEN THE IG WAS TO REQUEST INFORMATION FROM GEORGIA POWER.

THEY WILL CITE CONFIDENTIALITY CUSTOMER PRIVACY AS ONE REASON NOT TO PROVIDE DATA.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, TO KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU ARE GETTING ALL YOUR SHARE. THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT IS PROBABLY THROUGH GMA TO DO A FRANCHISE FEE AUDIT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHENEVER THEY COME ONLINE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER.

YES. THANK YOU. SO QUESTION.

I SEE THAT THERE'S YOU KNOW, 4.739 MILLION IN ALLOCATIONS SLASH GENERAL FUND TRANSFER. DON'T WE NEED A BUDGET AMENDMENT ANY TIME THAT WE MOVE MONEY FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER? YES.

THAT'S TRUE. BUT IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ALREADY BUDGETED.

WE ALREADY BUDGET THE INDIRECT COSTS AND THOSE COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO YOU SEE THAT IN THE ALLOCATION IN THE BUDGET.

OKAY. AND HOW? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED FOR THE TRANSFERS? IT'S IN THE BUDGET. IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT.

OKAY. AND THAT'S CLEAR.

THAT'S CLEAR. OKAY. AND THEN IF I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT IDEA FOR US TO KEEP A PULSE ON THIS IN THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE.

SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YEARS TO COME AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND, AND HOW OUR RESERVES ARE FUNCTIONING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO KEEP A PULSE ON THIS IN THAT COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO ASK SOMETHING FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.

SO YOU BROUGHT UP CRYPTOCURRENCIES EARLIER.

SO I'M ASSUMING ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM MINING? ARE THEY MINING CRYPTOCURRENCIES.

CORRECT. YES. ARE THESE LIKE FARMS OR ARE THESE INDIVIDUALS? I'M ASSUMING SO. YEAH.

IT WAS JUST ONE CUSTOMER.

HE HE WAS DOING HIS MINING INSIDE OF A BUILDING.

SO. AND YOU SAID THEY WOULD RUN OFF ON THE BILL? I GUESS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW.

RIGHT. YEAH. SO THEY'RE OUT OF BUSINESS CURRENTLY.

OKAY. SO, YEAH, LIKE THREE MONTHS AGO, WE COMPLETELY TURNED THEM OFF, SO. SO I'M ASSUMING HE HAD A LOT OF GPUS OR A LOT OF EQUIPMENT USED TO MINE THESE COINS.

OKAY. AND WHERE YOU GUYS OFFER THEM.

BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO USE ENERGY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SELLING POWER.

I SAID THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO USE ENERGY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SELLING POWER. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU GUYS ARE GIVING HIM SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE TO COME IN MIND HERE.

CORRECT. SO OKAY. AND NOT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GO TOO MUCH INTO IT.

WE SPOKE ABOUT IT BRIEFLY IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSIONS.

NO. SO THAT'S. YEAH. SO I GOT YOU, I GOT YOU.

NO, NO, NO WORRIES. JUST LIKE THAT. AS SOON AS YOU KNOW, THEY USE A LOT OF ENERGY. THIS IS THE THIRD WE HAVE. APPARENTLY WE HAVE A LOT TO SELL. CORRECT.

AND THAT ACTUALLY TAKES THE BURDEN OFF THE TAXPAYER.

YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, THE MORE WE CAN SELL.

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SO WE DEFINITELY TRY TO GET TO THAT 1 TO 1 RATIO OF WHAT WE'RE BUYING FROM.

YEAH, WE'RE ACTUALLY SELLING.

SO YOU KNOW OKAY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY.

SO IT WAS LIKE A MINING FARM OR SOMEBODY THAT WAS MINING.

HOW MUCH DID WE LOSE OR HOW MUCH DO I GUESS.

WHAT'S THE BILL THAT THEY DID NOT PAY, OR WAS IT, WAS IT A CERTAIN AMOUNT? YEAH. I THINK YOU SAID LIKE 900 OR SOMETHING.

YEAH. SO CURRENTLY IT'S ABOUT LIKE 900,000.

JESUS CHRIST OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MISS JENSEN.

MADAM MAYOR, I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU LIKE FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

YOU MENTIONED PROVIDE A COMPLETE PICTURE OF THE INFORMATION ON PAGE TWO AND HOW THAT MESHES WITH OTHER FUND BALANCES.

I SAID PAGE TWO OF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION? YES, MA'AM. YEAH. THAT AND DOING A HISTORICAL PRESENTATION OF THE FUND BALANCE.

RIGHT. SO LIKE IT WAS NEGATIVE THEN IT I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE YEAR FUND BALANCE HAS BEEN WAS NEGATIVE IN 13 THE INCREASE.

THEN WE GOT IN THE BLACK AND NOW WE'RE SAYING WE'RE POTENTIALLY IN THE RED.

SO SEEING HISTORICALLY WHERE WE'VE COME FROM I THINK AND THERE WERE AT LEAST 1 OR 2 PREVIOUS RATE INCREASES, BUT I THINK IT WAS BETWEEN 2009 AND 2013, WHATEVER. LIKE THREE. THE ONE AND 13 WAS THE LAST ONE.

SO SHOWING THAT HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE OF THIS ENTERPRISE FUND, FINE. AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS OR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THERE BEING MORE MONEY THAT CAN BE COLLECTED FROM RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.

LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO COLLECT MORE FROM COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS? ARE WE GOING TO JUST HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS TRY TO FILL THE GAP? AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT JUST CAME TO MIND IS THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION WHEN MARY STUART WAS HERE. STUART AND STEVE FROM ME WERE HERE DURING THE PRESENTATION.

WE'RE ALMOST AT CAPACITY ON OUR LOAD.

I MEAN, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE WERE NOT AT FULL CAPACITY.

SO IF WE HAVE 105MW, WE WERE LIKE, AT 80 SOMETHING, AND NOW WE'RE PROBABLY AT 100 AND, YOU KNOW, 101. AND SO THEY SAID THEY WOULD COME BACK TO US ABOUT ADDITIONAL LOAD AND BECAUSE EVEN IF WE HAVE THESE INTERESTS, IF WE DON'T HAVE POWER TO SELL OR PROVIDE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS. SO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, WITH THE INTEREST FROM DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO USE POWER, I THINK IT'S TIME. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THEY SAID THEY WERE COMING BACK TO SHARE WITH US. WE ALSO HAVE A COMMITMENT AND THE EQUITABLE GROWTH AND INCLUSION STRATEGIC PLAN THAT 100% OF OUR ADDITIONAL LOAD WOULD BE RENEWABLE ENERGY.

I THINK RIGHT NOW WE ARE 94% NON CO2 EMITTING AS AN ENERGY ENTERPRISE FUND.

WE'RE PROBABLY THE BEST IN THE STATE.

THINK IN 2021 WE WERE 99% NON CO2 EMITTING, SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN GEORGIA POWER AND AG AS AN OVERALL PORTFOLIO.

AND I THINK HAD WE'VE HAD THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OUT OF THE 40 OTHER 48 PARTICIPANTS A TOTAL OF 49 INCLUDING US.

AND SO THAT CONVERSATION I THINK OVERLAYS WITH THIS BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF RACE, IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN OUR LOAD TO MEET IT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGE TO. IT.

I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT.

I THINK THE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WITH NEW LOAD, THEY ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT A POTENTIAL DATA CENTER LOAD.

RIGHT. AND DATA CENTER LOAD IS A 24 OVER SEVEN 365 ALL THE ALL THE TIME.

AND SO THE RESOURCE THAT NEED TO SERVE THOSE LOAD ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SOLAR, NOT GOING TO BE RENEWABLE BECAUSE IT'S 24 OVER SEVEN, 365. AND THOSE LOAD ARE TYPICALLY PROVIDED BY NATURAL GAS OR WHICH IS THE FASTEST WAY TO BUILD PLANT. YOU PROBABLY COULD NOT GO NUCLEAR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I TAKE DECADES AND DECADES. SO YOU KNOW, WITH NEW LOAD, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU KNOW, WILL LIKELY COME BACK WITH SOLUTION, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE RENEWABLE.

BECAUSE EVEN TODAY, YOU KNOW MICROSOFT AND ALL THE DATA CENTER, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, RENEWABLE, JUST CAN'T MEET THE ON THE CLOCK EVERY HOUR NEED. SO, MADAM MAYOR, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT WE

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SHOULD THINK ABOUT OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, NOT IN A SILO, BUT HAVE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE MIGHT BE VULNERABLE. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR PROFESSIONALS THAT YOU CONSULT WITH, BUT WE ARE OPERATING AS ONE ENTITY AND WITH DIFFERENT FUNDS AND SO FORTH.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE.

THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE, THE BETTER, THE MORE SYNERGISTIC, THE BETTER THE LESS SILO, THE BETTER.

SO WE SAID A TIME WHEN THEY WOULD COME BACK, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO THOSE THESE CONVERSATIONS OVERLAP.

WE HAVE TO HAVE LOAD TO BE ABLE TO.

FULLY THINK ABOUT RATES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

TWO MINUTES AGO TOMORROW.

AND NOW WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

I GUESS WE CAN THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY.

I GUESS YOU ALL WILL COME BACK WITH FOLLOW UP.

OH, THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD.

AND I WAS LOOKING IN OUR ORDINANCES, AND I SEE THE 8 TO 2 009 THAT DEALS WITH POWER RATES AND THAT THE COUNCIL CAN SET THEM.

BUT I WAS TRYING TO FIND AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BECAUSE WE'RE MEETING PARTICIPANTS OR THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE DO AN ELECTRIC RATE STUDY BEFORE CONSIDERING MAKING ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO RATES. WHERE DOES THAT REQUIREMENT COME FROM? AND I WAS JUST DOING A QUICK SEARCH IN THE ORDINANCE, SO I MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SHARED TO US FROM STAFF AND FROM OUR PARTNERS. WHERE IS THE REQUIREMENT TO DO AN ELECTRIC RATE STUDY PRIOR TO MAKING RATE ADJUSTMENTS? SO IN GENERAL, THAT HAVE BEEN OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM ECG THAT EVERY THREE, 3 TO 4 YEARS AT CITY WOULD ENTERTAIN A RATE STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU BALANCE YOUR BUDGET. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT COMES INTO YOUR ORDINANCE.

AND WHEN THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO YOUR ORDINANCE? NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE IT. BUT I KNOW AS WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THE ENTERPRISE FUND OVER THE YEARS, IT WAS SAID TO US THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A RATE STUDY.

I MEAN, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADJUST THE RATES, IT MAKES SENSE TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.

AND YOU SAID IT WAS EVERY 3 TO 4 YEARS IS RECOMMENDATION.

THAT WAS OUR GENERAL RECOMMENDATION.

IS IS EVERY 3 TO 4 YEARS YOU SHOULD AT LEAST LOOK AT IT.

ONE THE REASON WHY YOU NEED A RATE STUDY IS BECAUSE OF THIS.

YES, THERE'S THIS MARGIN MARGIN FOR EACH CLASS OF CUSTOMER THAT YOU HAVE MATTERS.

ESPECIALLY WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, SEAN JUST TOLD YOU THAT HE INVESTS 5 MILLION SOMETHING INTO RESIDENTIAL RATE CLASS, AND THEY ARE BY FAR, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THIS, THIS CURRENT BUDGET, 5 MILLION GO INTO RESIDENTIAL LOANS.

SO THE DEFICIT RIGHT. THERE IS 6.6.

AND SO NOW THE QUESTION WOULD BECOME.

IS IT FAIR TO CHARGE $5 MILLION THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY GEARED TOWARD RESIDENTIAL USE AND CHARGE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER FOR THAT? I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A QUESTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER.

YOU KNOW, WE TRYING TO BE COGNIZANT OF FAIRNESS.

AND SO WHAT IT'S SHOWING RIGHT NOW IS ESSENTIALLY FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

YEAH. THE, THE OTHER CUSTOMER WITH THE GREEN BAR, MEANING THAT EARNING POSITIVE MARGIN SO THAT THEY SORT OF SUBSIDIZE THE, THE CUSTOMER THAT IN, IN THE RED.

AND SO THE QUESTION REALLY THE THAT'S WOULD LEAD TO THE DISCUSSION HOW BEST TO IMPLEMENT WHERE TO ASSESS THE RATE INCREASE.

AND THAT'S REALLY ONLY YOU ALL CAN, COULD ADVISE US ON DO YOU THINK YOU ALL CAN HAVE THE MORE HISTORICAL OVERVIEW AND PERSPECTIVE AND THE SYNERGISTIC VIEW OF IT AT OUR JULY WORK SESSION, JULY 14TH JULY.

IT'S ABOUT A MONTH. HOW ACCESSIBLE ARE THE FINANCIALS, THE THE AUDITS OR THE AUDITS ONLINE FROM 2013 FORWARD? THEY HAVE ALL OF THEM UP TO 22 TO 22.

YEAH. SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN DO SOME CALCULATION

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GOING BACK TO 2013. I, YOU KNOW, 20.

PLEASE COME AND GIVE US AN UPDATE IN JULY OF WHERE YOU ARE AROUND WHAT TIME? WHAT DATE? JULY 14TH. 613.

MAY I HAVE UNTIL AUGUST 14TH? THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, AND STAFF IS TRYING TO TAKE THE VACATION THAT WE, WE GOT.

AND JUST THAT'S LITERALLY.

SO THAT WOULD BE AUGUST 11TH.

AUGUST 11TH. YES. OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

TOM. AUGUST 11TH, WORK SESSION.

MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, GO TO UPDATE ON POLICING.

[III.1. Update on Policing]

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL.

CITY ATTORNEY. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

CHIEF BUCHANAN. GOT A COUPLE OF UPDATES. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START OFF WITH THE SITUATION THAT OCCURRED LAST WEEK ON LAWRENCE AVENUE WITH THE TRACTOR TRAILER.

I KIND OF GOT SOME CLARITY ON THAT, SO I KIND OF WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. I SPOKE WITH CHIEF HILL, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BASICALLY, A FIFTH WHEEL WASN'T PROPERLY SECURED.

SO WHEN THE TRACTOR TRAILER TURNED ONTO LAWRENCE, IT FLIPPED OVER. UBER.

WE HAD SOME SPILLAGE, BUT IT WAS NON-HAZARDOUS SPILLAGE.

IT WAS A HAZARDOUS TRUCK.

AND THAT'S WHY WE CALL THE EPA.

BUT THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL STAY SELF CONTAINED WITHIN THE TRUCK.

WHAT SPILLED OUT WAS THE NON-HAZARDOUS.

SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THEY TOLD ME.

SO THE EPA CAME OUT. THEY DID IT ALL CLEAR.

THEY'RE INVESTIGATING IT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CITE THE PEOPLE. BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY THEY CAME OUT AND SAID IT WAS NON-HAZARDOUS.

BUT THE REASON THEY CONTACTED US IS BECAUSE ANYTIME THEY'RE CARRYING HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY US, EVEN IF THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL DOESN'T SPILL OUT. THEY SAID THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL WAS IN BAGS AND IT DIDN'T SPILL, BUT THE LIQUID DID, WHICH WAS NON OXIDIZING.

I DID GET THE CONFIRMATION WITH THAT FROM CHIEF HILLARD TODAY.

SO I KIND OF WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT.

TRAILER PARK COURT DATE IS THE 16TH AT 9 A.M..

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE PAVING AND THE ROADWAY.

SO WE ARE ADDRESSING THAT.

ON THE 16TH, THERE HAVE BEEN FINE.

WE HAVE GIVEN THEM CITATIONS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

THE HOUSE AT NIELSEN CHURCH THAT ALWAYS HAS GRASS.

THEY MADE A PLEA IN COURT WHERE THEY WILL HAVE THE GRASS CUT EVERY TWO WEEKS, OR THEY'LL BE IN VIOLATION. SO THAT'S HOPEFULLY IS A SOLUTION.

IT WAS MADE THROUGH THE COURTS, THE AGREEMENT. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL KEEP PACE. IN TERMS OF SPEEDING.

WE STILL GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. WE'VE MOVED SOME MORE PEOPLE AROUND AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET A QUICK HOLD ON THE SPEED LIMITS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCIDENTS. ALSO ON BEN HILL I SPOKE WITH MICROSOFT.

I SPOKE WITH THEM AGAIN LAST WEEK.

THEY HAVE TOLD THEIR DRIVERS NOT TO DRIVE DOWN HILL BECAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

SO THEY TOLD US JUST START SITING THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE DEFINITELY WARNED EVERYBODY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL START DOING ON THAT SITUATION.

WE'RE MOVING FAST. TRYING TO GET CARLISLE CERTIFIED.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE A STATE CERTIFIED AGENCY, BUT WE'VE NEVER BEEN CLEAR, WHICH IS A NATIONAL. IT'S A GOLD STANDARD AND POLICE CERTIFICATION.

JUST SAYING THAT BASICALLY OUR AGENCY IS COMPLYING WITH THE NATIONAL STANDARDS THAT ARE SET FORTH. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I GO.

I THINK I PUT THAT IN CONTRACT WORKS TO BE FAST FORWARDED TO THE MAYOR FOR SIGNATURE.

AND I HAVE TO SIGN THE CITY MANAGER, I THINK HAS TO SIGN AS WELL. BUT THAT WILL HAPPEN HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR.

BUT WE'RE STARTING THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S ALL THE UPDATES I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. THANKS FOR THE UPDATE. THANK YOU.

MY QUESTION IS THIS. DO CODE ENFORCEMENT STILL FOLLOW THE INTERNATIONAL CODES AS WELL? YES THEY DO. OKAY. I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL COMPLAINTS ABOUT CARS PARKING ON THE LINE, CARS BEING IN DRIVEWAYS WITH NO TAG.

SO THE QUESTION CAME UP AS TO DO CODE ENFORCEMENT, GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY TO STATE THE PEOPLE WITH TAG? AND THEY SAID NO. BUT I KNOW IN THE PAST THEY HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE IF THE VIOLATION IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, THEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL GO ON THE PROPERTY AND GIVE THAT PERSON A CITATION FOR THAT CAR TAG.

HAS THAT CHANGED? BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND I KNOW WHAT IS IN THE IN THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY CODE ORDINANCE.

SO I WANT TO KIND OF BE CLEAR ON HOW IT WORKS.

SO IN TERMS OF TAG VIOLATIONS, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON THE STREETS, BROKEN DOWN CARS, WE KNOW THAT THROUGH CODE AND TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT HAS EXPIRED TAG OR NO

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TAG AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IF IT'S LIKE AN ABANDONED VEHICLE THAT'S ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY DILAPIDATED, THAT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO GO TO THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT IF IT'S AN EXPIRED TAG, BUT THE CAR IS IN GOOD CONDITION.

UNLESS THAT CAR HITS THE STREET, WE CANNOT GO IN THERE AND GIVE THEM A CITATION. HOW? WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST.

IT'S NORMALLY WITH FLAT TIRES.

SOMETHING ELSE WRONG WITH THE CAR? OKAY, SO IF THE CAR HAS A FLAT TAX, A FLAT TAX, FLAT TIRE OR ANYTHING OR LOOK ABANDONED, THEN YOU WOULD GO ON THERE AND YOU WOULD ADDRESS THOSE VIOLATIONS.

BUT IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN RUNNING CONDITION BECAUSE IT MIGHT CAN'T PASS FOR WHATEVER REASON, MIGHT CAN'T PASS INSPECTION.

THEN ONCE THAT CAR HITS THE ROAD, THEN YOU WOULD GIVE IT A TICKET FOR EXPIRED TAG. AND THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. BUT THEY DO FOLLOW THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY CODE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN CODE ENFORCEMENT AT ALL, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MONTHS.

I CAN ASSURE YOU I WILL MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON YOUR STREET TOMORROW.

AND BECAUSE THE PROPERTY.

WELL, IT'S A IT'S A VACANT HOUSE.

THE GRASS IS GROWING UP.

IT'S GROWING UP TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S GROWING UP BEYOND THE MAILBOX, AND THAT LOOKS REALLY BAD.

AND YOU KNOW, IT HAS SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT IT.

AND SPEAKING OF OF PROPERTY, 2757 IS STILL RUNNING A ROOMING HOUSE.

THERE ARE MORE CARS COMING IN EVERY DAY.

AND I NOTICE IT WHEN I LEAVE OUT EVERY DAY WHEN I GO OUT.

I KNOW THEY WENT BY THERE AND I THINK THEY GAVE THE LADY A CITATION.

I BOUGHT THREE, AND THEY'RE STILL LETTING PEOPLE COME IN TO RENT THE ROOMS OUT.

FIRST STARTED OUT WITH ONE CAR A COUPLE OF DAYS, THEN TWO CARS. NOW IT'S FOUR CARS.

YEAH, THEY'RE STILL RUNNING THE ROOMING HOUSE. THEY'RE CLEARLY IN VIOLATION. OKAY, I KNOW THEY GAVE US A CITATION, BUT I'LL CHECK ON THAT TOMORROW. ALSO, IN TERMS OF THE GRASS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM GRASS COMPLAINTS. SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO AND THIS WAS KIND OF A MY CALL.

IT'S BEEN RAINING SO MUCH, WE WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CUT THE GRASS AFTER IT RAINS.

SO I TOLD THEM, LET'S GIVE PEOPLE LIKE A FIVE DAY MORATORIUM BEFORE WE START CITING, BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IT'S RAINING A LOT AND THEN WE GO OUT HERE, KNOCK ON THE DOOR THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE RAIN, AND WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. HEY, I HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO CUT MY GRASS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN RAINING FOUR DAYS STRAIGHT, SO I WILL DEFINITELY TAKE CARE OF THAT. BUT THAT THAT I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE VACANT HOMES, OKAY? BUT THAT NOBODY IS TENDING TO THAT I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO CUT THEIR GRASS WHEN IT'S RAINING AND IT'S WET AND IT AND IT GROWS BACK VERY QUICK THAT I UNDERSTAND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HOMES THAT ARE VACANT AND THE HOMES WHERE YOU HAVE RESIDENTS COMPLAINING.

IF YOU GO KEEP DRIVING DOWN FURTHER DOWN BELOW AND THEY CONTINUE TO PARK ON THE GRASS, THAT'S A VIOLATION. I WILL TAKE CARE OF THE GRASS VIOLATION.

ALSO, I'M GLAD YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ABANDONED HOMES.

A LOT OF THESE HOMES, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE THE OLD ACE HARDWARE.

WHERE? JUST REAL QUICK.

I THOUGHT WE WENT TO ACE HARDWARE.

WE THOUGHT ACE HARDWARE ON THAT PROPERTY.

THEY WANT THE DOORS WIDE OPEN, THE WINDOWS BUSTED OUT.

THEY WAS LEASING THE PROPERTY. THEY BOUGHT THEIR OWN BUILDING. THE PERSON WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL OWNER WHEN THE FORECLOSURE FOR THE COUNTY HAS THE PROPERTY THEY'RE PLANNING ON BULLDOZING NOW. WE CALLED THEM AGAIN TODAY TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.

SO TOMORROW WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BUY THERE TO SEE CAN WE CONTACT THEM TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. SO A LOT OF THESE ABANDONED PROPERTIES, IF YOU GIVE ME THE ADDRESS WE'RE DEALING WITH THEM. IT'S JUST IT'S THE OWNERS AND GOING BACK AND FORTH AND SITING THEM AND BRINGING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE.

AND ADD TO THAT AS WELL.

OKAY. THAT, THAT TO DRIVE INTO THE CITY AND SEE THAT AT THAT LOOKS REALLY BAD.

I WILL MAKE SURE I CHECK ON THAT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU.

SO LET'S START EASY TO HARD.

SO I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF RESIDENTS SAYING THANK YOU FOR PATROLLING THE SYLVAN AVENUE AND OAKLEY INTERSECTION.

BECAUSE THAT IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION, AND THEY JUST WANT TO EXTEND THEIR THEIR THANKS AND APPRECIATION FOR THAT.

AND TO JUST TRY, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN KEEP GOING WITH THAT.

NOT A PROBLEM. CAMERAS AT ILLEGAL DUMPING SITES.

SO WE DO HAVE WE WE STILL HAVE SOME ILLEGAL DUMPING GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT IS YOU KNOW, IN AREAS THAT ALWAYS HAPPEN.

AND THERE'S TWO IN THE EAST WASHINGTON NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THERE'S THE VACANT LOT ON PINE AND BAYARD.

IT'S PRETTY LARGE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS UP THE DEAD END OF LISLE.

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OKAY. THE LAST TIME THAT I WENT DOWN IN THE DEAD END OF LISLE, THERE WAS A TON OF ILLEGAL DUMPING AND TRASH.

IT'S BEEN CLEARED OUT NOW, BUT PEOPLE KEEP DUMPING AT THESE SITES REAL QUICK. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF.

IT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP, BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT SOME CAMERAS.

OKAY. AND THEN THE CHEMICAL SPILL.

SO. WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING A CAR, DO YOU.

ARE YOU ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE IN CONTROL OF YOUR CAR? OH. OF COURSE. OKAY, SO THEN WHAT ABOUT WITH A TRACTOR TRAILER? SO WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY PULLED OUT? YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VIOLATION. OF COURSE.

THEY SAID THE FIFTH WHEEL WAS NOT SECURED TO PROPERLY TO THE TRACTOR TRAILER, WHICH CAUSED IT TO OVERTURN.

OKAY. AND THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION.

YES. OKAY. YES. OKAY. THAT IS OKAY.

AND THEN I KNOW THAT YOU HAD SAID LEAK, BUT IT WAS 275 GALLONS.

SO AND I'M GOING TO ANSWER THIS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

I DO KNOW. WE WERE TOLD SPECIFICALLY BY EPA.

THERE WAS HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ON THERE.

THOSE WERE NEVER THEY NEVER SPILLED FROM THE CONTAINER.

THEY NEVER LEAKED OUT.

WHAT LEAKED OUT WAS THE LIQUID.

IT WAS POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE.

WELL, YEAH, THEY SAID THAT WASN'T A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL.

BUT THEY'RE STILL INVESTIGATING IT.

AND THAT'S WHY I WAS GOING TO DO EVACUATION.

BUT THEY SAID THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS DID NOT LEAK OUT. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T DO ANY EVACUATION. AND THEY SAID THEY GAVE THE OLD CLAY OKAY TO OPEN THE STREETS BACK AND NOT DO ANY EVACUATION. SO THEY ARE INVESTIGATING.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE FINE, BUT AS OF YET, THEY HAVEN'T FIND THEM.

OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S MY KNOWLEDGE THAT, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, CHANGE YOUR OIL IN YOUR CAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD GO INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND THE 275 GALLONS DID GO INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND WENT DOWN TO I THINK IT WAS MULLINS ONS PAVING? YES. SO. SO WHAT'S THE HOLDUP? SINCE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT ALL THIS POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE LEAKED INTO THE STORMWATER DRAINS.

SO. AND I WILL TELL YOU, I WILL GET BACK WHAT YOU FEEL.

BUT THE EPA IS THE ORGANIZATION THAT DOES THAT KIND OF FINDING.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG, BUT I WILL CHECK BACK TO FIND OUT.

OKAY. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCES ON THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL THAT ALLOWS US TO CITE PEOPLE FOR ACCIDENTALLY SPILLING CHEMICALS.

SO FOR THAT SPECIFIC TYPE OF CHEMICAL AND BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED, THAT'S DEFINITELY AN EPA VIOLATION.

AND THAT'S WHY WE ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE BIGGER CHARGE.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD FIND THEM AND CITE THEM.

BUT WHAT I WOULD DO IS I'LL MAKE SURE WE REACH OUT TOMORROW TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THE HESITATION TO HOLD UP TO FIND THESE INDIVIDUALS? OKAY. AND SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT BUT WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN, WOULDN'T IT MAKE.

WHEN DID IT MAKE SENSE THAT YOU WOULD CHARGE SOMEBODY OR A COMPANY AT EVERY LEVEL POSSIBLE? SO IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT FEDERAL ORGANIZATION TOOK OVER THE SCENE. SO WHEN THEY CAME IN, THEY TOOK OVER EVERYTHING AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN IT UP. THIS WHEN YOU CAN OPEN THE STREETS BACK. SO THEY TOOK CONTROL OF THE SCENE. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T CITE THEM, NOT BECAUSE WE CAN'T CITE THEM.

BUT THE FEDERAL ORGANIZATION TOOK EVERYTHING OVER.

SO WE WOULD CITE THEM AFTER THE FEDERAL STUFF IS TAKEN CARE OF.

THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE IT TO YOU THE CORRECT WAY.

I DON'T WANT BECAUSE THEY TAKE OVER THE SCENE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER AND ATTORNEY WIGGINS.

I JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH OF OUR ORDINANCE TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC ON ENVIRONMENTAL SPILLS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

WE ARE AWARE THAT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE AND FEDERAL EPA ARE THE ENFORCEMENT ARMS. BUT IF YOU COULD LOOK AT OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DEALS WITH THAT. COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU.

HOW ARE YOU DOING, CHIEF? I SEE YOU.

I HAVE TWO THINGS TO REPORT TODAY.

IF YOU CAN HELP US WITH THIS SO YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL HAVE.

WE'RE GOOD ENOUGH TO GO TO THE CORNER OF SUMMERLIN AND SAVANNAH TRACE.

AND THEY GAVE THIS GENTLEMAN TIME TO MOVE HIS VAN.

BUT HE LEFT HIS U-HAUL TRAILER THERE AND IS STILL THERE.

SO THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT? I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. AND THEN THERE'S THIS HOUSE THAT WAS BURNED. I THINK IT WAS CHRISTMAS OR NEW YEAR'S.

THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF WASHINGTON AND DOTSON.

CONNECTOR. YES. DO WE KNOW, LIKE, WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO KNOCK THAT DOWN

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OR WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN WITH THAT PROPERTY? I THINK ONE OF YOUR OFFICER MCGEE SAID THAT THAT HOUSE MAY HAVE BEEN SOLD, BUT WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM DOING DEMOLITION AND PUTTING IT ON A PROPERTY AND OR HAVING THEM TO DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY? I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU.

I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON SEVERAL PROPERTIES. THAT'S ABANDONED.

FIVE YEARS. WE HAD A ONE BY THE OLD ATLANTA CHRISTIAN COLLEGE WE'RE WORKING ON AS WELL.

SO A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS STILL IN COURT, BUT I'LL FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. THANK YOU.

IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT UPDATE, CHIEF.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE. THE OLD ACE HARDWARE.

I DID SUBMIT A COUNCIL SERVICE REQUEST ABOUT THAT.

WE HAD A CONSTITUENT WHO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THAT YOUR TEAM AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DID A SEARCH.

MCGEE CAME BACK AND HE STATED THAT FULTON COUNTY NOW OWNS THAT BUILDING.

AND SO IS THAT PERHAPS AS A RESULT OF THE FORECLOSURE? I THINK YOU MENTIONED A FORECLOSURE ON THAT.

OKAY. SO I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.

NO, I JUST WANTED BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.

IS THERE SOMEONE AT FULTON COUNTY THAT WE CAN WORK WITH? IT JUST POSES A GREAT DANGER BECAUSE OF IT BEING WIDE OPEN.

THE GLASSES, THE STOREFRONT IS ALL CRASHED IN.

SO ALL KINDS OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE.

SO, YES, AS A PERSON HE WAS SPEAKING WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS, THEY ASSURED HIM ABOUT A MONTH AGO THEY WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, HE STARTED REACHING BACK OUT TO GET AN ESTIMATED TIME OF REPAIR, AND THEY NEVER RETURNED HIS PHONE CALL. SO I TOLD HIM TO CALL AGAIN TODAY. I SAID, TOMORROW JUST GO DOWN THERE BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS HE'S NOT RETURNING YOUR PHONE CALLS NOW. SO YOU JUST GO DOWN THERE AND FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN DO. BECAUSE IF THEY EVEN IF THEY CAN BOARD IT UP, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.

YES. SO HE'S GOING DOWN TOMORROW MORNING.

HE MADE SOME MORE CALLS TODAY AND NO ONE ANSWERED HIS PHONE. THE GUY WON'T GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY'S PHONE CALL. SO TODAY I TOLD HIM, JUST GO DOWN THERE, GET A SUPERVISOR. WE NEED TO BOARD THAT BUILDING UP.

OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING, YOU MENTIONED CAMERAS EARLIER, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS, BUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A MEETING WITH MICHAEL SPANN AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. THERE'S SOME ENLISTED ACTIVITY.

YOUR OFFICERS. BULLOCK IS VERY WELL AWARE OF IT.

AND ALSO, GARRETT SAT IN ON THE MEETING.

AND DIRECTOR SPANN IS AMENABLE TO DOING CAMERAS ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SIDE.

AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE RIVER PARK AREA ON THE AKRON STREET SIDE.

YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A PASS THROUGH THERE.

THEY'RE SELLING DRUGS.

THEY'RE DOING A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF, AND THEY'VE DAMAGED SOME OF THE HOUSES.

VANDALISM AS THEY ARE GETTING ROWDY AND COMING THROUGH THERE.

AND SO IF WE COULD ALSO CONSIDER SOME PLACE ON A TELEPHONE POLE IN THAT COMMUNITY.

DIRECTOR SPANN WAS TALKING ABOUT PUTTING UP SOME NO TRESPASSING SIGNS.

ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SIDE.

BUT IF WE COULD DO CAMERAS ON THAT SIDE AS WELL AS THE RIVER PARK SIDE, THAT MAY BE HELPFUL TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.

AND IT'S NO PROBLEM. WE CAN DO THAT ALSO.

WE SPOKE WITH DIRECTOR AND HE'S GIVEN US ACCESS TO ALL HIS CAMERAS AS WELL SO WE CAN SEE HIS CAMERA. SO THAT WORKS PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM.

I'M ATTORNEY WIGGINS. YES.

I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THE MAYOR'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE CODE HAD ABOUT SPILLS.

WE HAVE A CODE. IT'S IN DIVISION FIVE OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CHAPTER.

IT REGULATES NOTIFICATION OF ACCIDENTS OR DISCHARGES AND SPILLS, AS OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL ACTION OF DISCHARGING OR SPILLING.

AND SO IT REQUIRES THERE TO BE NOTIFICATION TO THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD THERE BE ANY DISCHARGE AND SPILL. FEEL AND WHAT THE REMEDIES ARE FOR THE GOVERNMENT, WHAT THE VIOLATION LOOKS LIKE IN ANY ABATEMENT OF THE VIOLATION, HOW THAT OPERATES. BUT NOTHING ON THE ACTUAL SPILLING UNLESS IT'S LIKE SANITATION.

IT'S SOME WASTE TYPE ORDINANCES, BUT NOTHING THAT DESCRIBES WHAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED FROM THIS TRACTOR TRAILER.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE'S 11151.

OKAY. OKAY. YES. I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE SPILL, AND I. I ALSO SAW THAT DIRECTOR ECHEVARRIA HAD RAISED HER HAND, AND SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THAT AS A PIGGYBACK, BECAUSE IT DID HAPPEN IN WARD B, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAD ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO ADD TO THAT, MISS JESSIE, DO YOU WANT MISS ECHEVARRIA? YES. COME UP. SHE DID PROVIDE ANOTHER CODE SECTION FOR ME TO LOOK AT,

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SO I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THAT NOW.

AND IT'S ABOUT ILLICIT DISCHARGE WHICH DOES IT LOOKS LIKE IT COVERS THE ACTUAL ACTION OF DISCHARGING FROM DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS OR CARS.

AND SO I WILL LOOK AT THAT.

AND THAT'S TEN DASH 111 21 OKAY.

AND IT SAYS HERE IN NUMBER FOUR THE IMPACTS OF THESE DISCHARGES ADVERSELY AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, DRINKING WATER, RECREATION AND FISH, AQUATIC LIFE AND LAND AND WATERS OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA.

SO THAT'S USUALLY COVERED UNDER ILLICIT DISCHARGES IS THE CORRECT CODE SECTION.

BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME REFERENCE TO ALL, WITH THE EXCEPTION TO THOSE ENTITIES THAT ARE BEING GOVERNED BY EPD OR EPA.

IT HAS SOME EXCEPTIONS IN THERE, SO THESE APPLY.

IF EPA AND EPA APPLY IF THEY HAVE A PERMIT.

SO I WOULD BELIEVE THE TRACTOR TRAILER.

I'M NOT FULLY AWARE I WASN'T AWARE.

SO I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK ON THAT INCIDENT.

BUT IF SOMEONE HAS AN ILLICIT DISCHARGE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT THROUGH EPD, LIKE AN NPS PERMIT FOR STORMWATER, THEN THAT'S THE ENTITY THAT WILL GOVERN THAT.

IN TERMS OF SPILL REPORTING, THERE IS A FLOWCHART AND A DOCUMENT.

WITHIN 15 MINUTES OF THAT SPILL, THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE NOTIFIED.

AND THEN FROM THERE, WE NOTIFY EPD THROUGH THEIR HOTLINE AND THROUGH THAT AFTER HOURS ON CALL CENTER. BUT AGAIN CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT.

I WAS NOT AWARE, BUT JUST KNOW THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS AN ILLICIT DISCHARGE ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY HAS.

SO, DIRECTOR ECHEVARRIA.

SO IF THEY DID, I BELIEVE THAT WHEN I READ THE REPORT, I THINK THE REPORT CAME FROM FIRE, BUT IT STATED THAT THE INCIDENT HAPPENED.

BUT WHEN THEY NOTIFIED FIRE, IT WAS LIKE AN HOUR LATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IS THAT GROUNDS FOR A CITATION? BECAUSE THEY WERE LIKE 3 OR 4 TIMES BEYOND THAT 15 MINUTES? YES. BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A EASTPOINTE THING.

THIS IS GEORGIA EPD FOR SPILL RESPONSE.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY US IN 15 MINUTES.

NOW, THIS JUST DEPENDS ON THE AMOUNT OF GALLONS, THE TYPE OF MATERIAL AND THE FLOW OF THE CREEK OR THE WATERWAY THAT IT WAS DEPOSITED IN. IF THEY NOTIFY US AFTER THE FACT, THERE IS NO CONTAINMENT.

WHATEVER CHEMICALS OR POLLUTANTS, IT'S WASHED INTO THE WATER SUPPLY.

IT COULD HAVE SOME ADVERSE EFFECTS TO AQUATIC HABITAT CONTAMINATING OUR SOILS.

I MEAN, IT DEFINITELY IS.

IT'S NO WAY. IF IT'S ACTIVELY FLOWING, IT'S ALREADY FLOWED DOWNSTREAM.

OKAY. YES. SO IT WAS, I THINK, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY FROM READING THE REPORT, IT'S LIKE THEY DIDN'T CALL FIRE UNTIL LIKE 15 MINUTES.

AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT IF I EPD IMMEDIATELY AND THEY DECIDE IF THEY HAVE TO CALL IN THEIR HAZARDOUS TEAM OR IF THE CITY CAN CONTAIN THAT INCIDENT.

OKAY, SO MAYBE IF WE COULD USE THAT REPORT TO FIGURE OUT WITH EPD IF THERE ARE SOME GROUNDS FOR CITATIONS. YES, BECAUSE FIRE DID DOCUMENT WHEN THEY DID CALL AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. YES. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE INITIAL ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY READ WHERE THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT IS, AND IT SAYS NO LATER THAN 24 HOURS.

THE 1101 1121 IS A PROHIBITION OF ILLICIT DISCHARGES.

SO IF YOU ALL COULD WORK IN IT, I DON'T SEE THE 15 MINUTES, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST LOOKING QUICKLY.

THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT IS WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY INITIALLY READ IN THAT ORDINANCE IS WITHIN 24 HOURS. THAT SHOULD ME.

OKAY. SO THERE I'M LOOKING AT THE OFFICIAL FLOW CHART.

IN REGARDS TO EPD. OKAY.

SO YOU'RE SAYING NOTIFY EPD WITH THEM? IT'S A FLOW CHART. IT'S APPLICABLE TO WHOEVER IS DOING OR COMPLETING THE DISCHARGE.

SO THERE ARE SEVERAL RULES.

OFFICIAL CODE OF GEORGIA THAT APPLY.

YOU HAVE THE OIL OR HAZARDOUS MATERIAL SPILL OR RELEASE ACT WHEN TO REPORT IMMEDIATELY.

AND YOU NEED TO REPORT IT TO THAT LOCAL MUNICIPALITY WITHIN 15 MINUTES.

YOU HAVE THE WATER QUALITY CONTROL EMERGENCY ACTIONS ACT.

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO NOTIFY IMMEDIATELY OR WITHIN 15 MINUTES.

YOU HAVE THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK AND PETROLEUM SPILL IS THE SAME THING THAT IN TERMS OF THAT IS 25 GALLONS OR MORE AND WENT TO REPORT WITHIN 24 HOURS.

SO THERE ARE THREE ENVIRONMENTAL CODES THAT ARE IN PLACE WITH THE OFFICIAL CODE OF GEORGIA. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT CONTAMINANT IS, YOU HAVE RULES. AND I CAN SEND THIS TO THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY? YEAH. I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO HAVE LEGAL AND STAFF LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE OUR ORDINANCE, WHILE IT'S COVERING STATE LAW, SUPERSEDES LOCAL LAW.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THEY WOULD COINCIDE WITH EACH OTHER OR EVEN REFERENCE IT AND HAVE

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IT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF.

THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS INFORMED ME THAT THERE'S A MATTER THAT SHE NEEDS US TO GO INTO

[Executive Session (Part 1 of 2)]

EXECUTIVE SESSION ON NOW BECAUSE OF THE SPEAKER'S AVAILABILITY.

AND SO WE NEED A MOTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR ONE LEGAL MATTER.

MADAM MAYOR. YES, COUNCILMAN.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR ONE LEGAL MATTER.

THERE'S A SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE IN RECESS.

MADAM CITY DEPUTY CITY CLERK, WE'RE GOING TO NEED HELP SETTING UP THE MONITORING. THAT'S WHAT I'M I'M ABOUT TO GO THROUGH.

SO NEXT UP IN PRESENTATIONS, COUNCILMAN MARK ROGERS, DEPARTMENTAL VACANCIES.

IS THAT REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA? NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION ON BOARD OF COMMISSION.

OH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

RECONVENE, RECONVENE. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

I BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM, SO WE'LL WAIT UNTIL LATER TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.

[III.4. Council Discussion and Possible Action on City of East Point Board/Commission on Aging]

COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS. YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. AS I STATED IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY. WE READY TONIGHT OR NOT? WHAT? ARE WE READY TONIGHT? MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, THE RESOLUTION ON ON COMMISSION.

TASK FORCE ON A RESOLUTION.

AND YOU PROVIDE STEVE SOME BULLET POINTS, LIKE SOME QUESTIONS TO ASK ABOUT HOW YOU WANTED THAT BOARD TO LOOK, OR WHEN DID YOU SAY.

ALL RIGHT, SO, JULY WORK SESSION, JULY WORK SESSION, UPDATE ON PLANNING AND ZONING REWRITE STATUS.

WE HAVE HAVE YOU ALL DONE A SOLICITATION FOR THAT JULY WORK SESSION? THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

I'M GOING TO ASK KIMBERLY SMITH TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THAT.

THANK YOU, MISS JESSIE.

I'M IN REFERENCE TO THE UPDATE ON PLANNING ZONING REWRITE.

A SOLICITATION WAS ESTABLISHED AND ADVERTISED ON JUNE 4TH.

THE THE PRE PROPOSAL CONFERENCE IS SCHEDULED TO HAPPEN IN CITY HALL ON TUESDAY, JUNE 17TH AT 10 A.M.. THERE IS A QUESTION AND QUESTION AND ANSWER DEADLINE NO LATER THAN 12:00 NOON FOR FRIDAY SCHEDULE JUNE 20TH AND THE PROPOSAL DUE DATE IS SCHEDULED NO LATER THAN 3:30 P.M. EASTERN STANDARD TIME ON TUESDAY, JULY 22ND, 2025. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DISCUSSION ON RULE 28.

[III.6. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Rule #28]

THAT'S THE PUBLIC COMMENT RULE.

AGAIN, IT SAYS THAT A SPEAKER MAY GIVE ALL OR A PART OF THEIR TIME UP TO THREE MINUTES FOR NOT A NOT A TOTAL FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES.

FOR SPEAKING TIME. IT HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE AND INTERPRETATION OF THAT RULE FOR ADMINISTRATIONS PRIOR TO ME OR PRIOR TO THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT THAT REQUIRES THE PERSON TO BE PRESENT. AND WE ALL HAVE SEEN PEOPLE PRESENT MULTIPLE OCCASIONS FOR THAT COUNCIL WAIVE THE RULES AND ALLOWED IT.

AND SO THIS IS A RULE.

THE PUBLIC COMMENT RULE IS ONE I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISED.

SO IT CAN BE CLEAR WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PERSON BE HERE.

WHILE THAT HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE IS NOT AS SPECIFIC.

AND SO WHETHER YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS AND MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT, THE LONGER WE DON'T HAVE IT IN PLACE, THE MORE WE SUBJECT OURSELVES TO POTENTIALLY HAVING PEOPLE ASK US TO WAIVE THE RULE BY ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO SIGN AND LEAVE, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.

SO THAT'S RULE 28. WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT TO DO TONIGHT? THIS DISCUSSION I THINK OKAY.

DISCUSSION. SO MEMBER AND COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU.

SO HOLD ON A MINUTE. MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF YOU GO TO MUNI CODE AND PULL IT UP SO WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN. PULL UP RULE 28.

IT'S IN SECTION TWO, DASH 2002, RULES OF COUNCIL.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEAR BECAUSE ONE, IT SAYS THAT IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT, THEN YOU SPEAK FIRST.

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NON RESIDENTS SPEAK AFTERWARDS.

SO I THINK THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE PERSON IS HERE TO PHYSICALLY SAY, I YIELD MY TIME BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE A RESIDENT OR NON RESIDENT.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING. AND IN THE PAST IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT THE PERSON HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE TO VERBALLY SAY, I YIELD MY TIME TO WHOEVER IT IS.

SO I THINK AND I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN THERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T A PROBLEM BEFORE THEN. UP UNTIL RECENTLY IT BECAME A PROBLEM.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE ADDED IN THAT YOU DO HAVE TO BE HERE TO YIELD YOUR TIME OR GIVE YOUR TIME TO THE PERSON WHO YOU ARE GIVING IT TO SO YOU CAN PHYSICALLY, VERBALLY BE ON RECORD SAYING THAT I YIELD MY TIME TO SO-AND-SO.

IN MY HEAD, SAY THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

I THINK, YES, WE SHOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC, BUT FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT COME, I THINK IF IF THE FORM YOU SIGN UP ON THE FORM AND IF I WANT TO GIVE MY TIME TO SOMEONE ELSE, IF THEY TAKE IT AND THEY NOTE IT ON THE FORM, AND MAYBE WHEN THEY HAND IT TO THE THE CITY CLERK OR THE DEPUTY CITY CLERK AND SAY, I'M GIVING MY TIME TO SO-AND-SO, JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO 10:00 TO HAVE PEOPLE WHERE WE ACTUALLY GET TO THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND TO HAVE PEOPLE TO COME HERE AT 630.

WE MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY COME HERE AND SIGN UP.

WAS IT SIX? 620. THAT'S THE CUT OFF TIME.

AND THEN THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO. SOMETIMES 1030 AT NIGHT I.

I JUST THINK THAT'S KIND OF CRAZY.

OR I MEAN, EVEN WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE LIST, SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY LEFT JUST BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG.

BUT IF I'M IF I WANT TO GIVE MY TIME TO SOMEONE, I WRITE IT ON THE FORM. I SAY, I'M I'M SO-AND-SO.

I'M I'M DONATING MY TIME TO WHOEVER IT IS THAT I WANT TO GIVE IT TO.

AND ONCE I GIVE THAT FORM TO THE CITY CLERK, IF I HAVE TO LEAVE OR WHATEVER, AT LEAST IT'S ON THERE AND IT'S SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY, YOU KNOW, SAW THEM DO IT.

I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE AN OPTION, THAT WE SHOULD.

I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. YEAH.

ANOTHER PART TOO, ABOUT HOW PEOPLE HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK.

THAT'S NOT CLEAR IN THE RULE EITHER. COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN YES.

AND THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENT.

I ALSO WAS GOING TO JUST ADD THAT DID THE INTERNET DOWN? YES. I WAS ALSO GOING TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION THAT I DO THINK THE PERSON SHOULD BE HERE TO YIELD THEIR TIME SO THAT WE COULD SEE THAT PERSON JUST FOR JUST FOR A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES. THE SECOND PIECE IS I ALSO THINK THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE INFORMED IF THEY ARE COMING INTO CHAMBERS, LET'S SAY AT 545 OR AT 6:00, A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT COULD POSSIBLY BE MADE THAT IF THEY'RE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THIS IS WHERE YOU FIND THE FORMS AND THEN RETURN THEM TO THE CITY CLERK, BECAUSE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE ATTENDED THESE MEETINGS AND THEY COME IN AND SIT AND THINK THAT THEY CAN SPEAK FREELY, NOT KNOWING THAT THEY MUST SIGN IN TO SPEAK.

SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT A HOLISTIC APPROACH, ANNOUNCING TO RESIDENTS, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT, HEY, PUBLIC COMMENT IS AVAILABLE, BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU FILL OUT.

RETURN IT TO OUR CITY CLERK.

SO WILLING TO HELP CHANGE UP THE RULES TO MAKE THEM MORE APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYONE.

SO SO FAR IN PERSON. BUT ONE SUGGESTION IS THEY HAVE TO BE IN PERSON AT THE TIME THEY SIGN UP. AND THEN THE OTHER IS THEY HAVE TO BE A PERSON DURING THE YEAH, THAT WAS ME, COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL.

I WAS GOING TO YIELD, BUT I WAS JUST SITTING HERE THINKING BACK, I DON'T, AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER, EVER REMEMBER SOMEBODY ACTUALLY GOING TO THE PODIUM AND SAYING, I YIELD MY TIME TO SO-AND-SO? USUALLY IT COMES FROM THIS.

THE CITY CLERK SAYS THAT I HONESTLY CAN'T REMEMBER THAT TIME.

I YIELD MY TIME TO SOMEONE.

SO YOU SAY, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. USUALLY, AS I REMEMBER IT, HE WOULD SAY, SOMEONE TOLD YOU IT'S THEIR TIME TO THIS PERSON.

SO YOUR RECOLLECTION OF THAT, THE PERSON HAS BEEN IN THE AUDIENCE AND AFFIRMED, BUT I CAN, IF YOU YIELD MY TIME TO GENE WILSON, I SO-AND-SO YIELD MY TIME TO ERNESTINE PITTMAN.

WHAT'S HIS NAME? NAPOLEON BLACK.

YOU KNOW MY TIME. JEAN WILSON OR SHE SAYS IT, AND HE'S SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO MISS PITTMAN WHEN SHE SAYS IT.

KENNETH YANCEY, SHE'LL SAY IT IF HE DOESN'T SAY IT RIGHT NEXT TO MISS WILSON.

HAS THE CLERK NEVER. I MEAN, THE CITY CLERK NEVER SAID SO-AND-SO.

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YOU SAID I MAYBE MAYBE I SHOULD SPEAK SLOWER.

I JUST SAY IT. SHE MAY SAY IT.

AND NAPOLEON BLACK YIELDS HIS TIME TO JEAN WILSON.

AND YOU CAN LOOK IN THE AUDIENCE AND YOU SEE NAPOLEON BLACK.

EXCUSE ME, BY MISS PITTMAN.

KENNETH YANCEY YIELDS HIS TIME TO JEAN WILSON IF SHE SAYS IT, AND SHE HAS SAID IT, HE'S SITTING NEXT TO JEAN WILSON.

SO YOU SEE THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE YIELDING THEIR TIME.

WHEN SHE CALLS HER NAME, THEY MIGHT RAISE THEIR HAND, AS SHE'S SAYING, THEY'RE YIELDING TIME.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE DOESN'T SAY IT.

I SAID THAT THEY ARE HERE WHEN SHE SAYS IT.

RIGHT. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST STATED THAT THE PERSON HAS TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME THAT WAS THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS STATED.

OKAY. ARE YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE.

THANK YOU. AND I HAVE ANOTHER.

ANOTHER ONE. WHEN MISS GRANT SPOKE, ANITA SMITH WAS HERE AND SHE GAVE HER HER TIME VERBALLY HERE AND SAID IT.

AND YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANY PAST COUNCIL MEETING FROM CITY HALL TO THE LEC BUILDING TO THE REC CENTER, TO JEFFERSON STATION, WHERE RESIDENTS WAS PHYSICALLY THERE GIVING GIVEN THEIR MINUTES ON CAMERA ON RECORD, GIVING THEIR TIME OR YIELDING THEIR TIME TO THE SPEAKER WHO THEY WAS GOING TO GIVE IT TO.

AND YES, IT IT IS A LONG TIME THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE HERE.

WE WERE HERE SOMETIMES LONG AND AND SPOKE, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT MOVING PUBLIC COMMENTS. WHERE IS WHERE IS IT THAT THAT'S A THAT IS A MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. BUT I DO THINK IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT THE PERSON WOULD PHYSICALLY HAVE TO BE HERE TO GIVE THEIR TIME.

AND, AND FOR SOME REASON IT WAS NEVER CHALLENGED BECAUSE I GUESS PEOPLE ALREADY KNEW THE PROCESS. IT WAS NEVER CHALLENGED.

SO. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS.

THE ORDER OF BUSINESS KEEPS BEING DISCUSSED. THAT'S ITEM NUMBER TEN. SO WE'LL COMBINE THESE TWO. GO AHEAD. COUNCILMEMBER.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WELL, I'VE SEEN I MEAN, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. I'VE JUST SEEN IT DONE BOTH WAYS.

SO ANOTHER OPTION IS IF MAYBE WE MOVE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. YEAH. SO NUMBER TEN, RULE SIX HAS THE ORDER OF BUSINESS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T PULL IT UP.

SO LET ME JUST READ THE ORDER.

WELL, THE ORDER IS BASICALLY WHAT THE AGENDA IS, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM. 2-202 RULE SIX. AND SO THE REASON I PLACED THIS ON THE AGENDA IS RIGHT NOW IT IS AS PRINTED MEETING CALLED TO ORDER.

QUORUM. ROLL CALL. INVOCATION.

PLEDGE OF THE FLAG. PRESENTATION. ANNOUNCEMENTS. COMMITTEE REPORTS. APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA. APPROVAL OF COUNCIL MINUTES.

PUBLIC HEARINGS. PUBLIC COMMENTS.

AGENDA. CONSENT ITEMS. AGENDA ITEMS. COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ADJOURNMENT.

IT LOOKS LIKE IN MADAM CITY ATTORNEY YOU CAN CORRECT ME, BUT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE AT THE ADOPTION OF COUNCIL AGENDA. SO THAT IS REFLECTED ON THE AGENDA AS A.

YES. SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT SOONER THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT ORDER IN RULE SIX IF THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT COULD BE MEETING, CALL TO ORDER, QUORUM ROLL CALL INVOCATION PLEDGE THEN ADOPTION OF COUNCIL AGENDA PUBLIC HEARINGS, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN PRESENTATION COMMITTEE REPORTS.

SO YES, WE CAN MOVE APPROVAL OF COUNCIL AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES AFTER THE PLEDGE TO THE FLAG. ACTUALLY MOVES SEVEN THROUGH TEN.

TO BE FIVE THROUGH WHATEVER NUMBER AND THEN GO BACK TO PRESENTATION.

SO IT'LL BE MEETING, CALL TO ORDER.

QUORUM. ROLL CALL. INVOCATION.

PLEDGE TO THE FLAG. APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA.

APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MINUTES, PUBLIC HEARINGS, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN PRESENTATION.

COMMITTEE REPORTS AND EVERYTHING WILL FOLLOW AS IS. AND THEN EVERYTHING AFTER FIVE AND SIX WILL STAY THE SAME. 11 THROUGH 14.

YEAH. THEN IT WILL BE PRESENTATION AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

COMMITTEE REPORTS. CONSENT.

AGENDA ITEMS. AGENDA ITEMS. COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

EXECUTIVE SESSION. ADJOURNMENT.

I HAVE A QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS.

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SO ARE WE CONSIDERING MOVING IT? MOVING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE MAYOR.

WOULD NEED TO BE A CONSENSUS OF COUNSEL FOR ME TO MAKE THIS CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE.

BUT WHERE HER RECOMMENDATION WAS, WAS TO MOVE.

BASICALLY, PUBLIC COMMENTS WOULD BE LIKE NUMBER.

IT'S NUMBER TEN NOW. IT WOULD MOVE TO LIKE NUMBER.

HOLD ON FIVE, SIX, SEVEN.

IT WOULD MOVE TO NUMBER EIGHT.

IT WOULD COME AFTER PUBLIC HEARINGS.

PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE SEVEN.

PUBLIC COMMENTS WOULD BE EIGHT.

SO LIKE ONE THROUGH FOUR DON'T TAKE ANY TIME.

RIGHT. THAT'S JUST YOUR CALL TO ORDER YOU SEE RULE.

I WANT YOU TO SEE ACTUALLY APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

THOSE AREN'T REALLY TAKE TIME.

RIGHT. SO ONE THROUGH FOUR TAKE NO TIME.

AND THEN YOUR NEW NUMBER FIVE WOULD BE APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA.

THAT TAKES NO TIME. YOUR NUMBER SIX WOULD BE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

THAT DOESN'T TAKE ANY TIME.

YOUR NUMBER SEVEN. YOUR NEW NUMBER SEVEN WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO IF IT'S A ZONING CASE OR, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SOME OF THEIR STUFF CERTAIN THINGS NEED PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL COME BASED ON THE MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS UNDER RULE SIX.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, THAT'S AN OPTION TO MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT DEPENDING UPON WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS OR THE CONCERN THAT PRESENTATION MAY TAKE A COUPLE HOURS.

STILL, THE LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING PRESENTATION.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT COULD I MEAN, BY THE TIME WE GET HERE AND WE ASK QUESTIONS DEPENDING UPON WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHATEVER THE PRESENTATION IS, THEY CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, TURN INTO SOME HOURS.

OR IF YOU HAVE 2 OR 3, THEN THERE'S A TIME AGAIN.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING THE PEOPLE HERE, THE ACCOUNTABILITY TO TO KNOW WHO IT IS, LIKE I SAID, AND I'VE SEEN IT DONE BOTH WAYS.

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE SAY I'VE DONATED MY TIME TO MISS ERNESTINE PITTMAN, AND NAPOLEON BLACK IS THERE AND MISS PITTMAN IS THERE.

AND I'VE ALSO HEARD CITY CLERK SAY THAT SO-AND-SO IS DONATING THEIR TIME, AND WE JUST KIND OF ROLL WITH THAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T I CAN'T SAY THAT I'M LOOKING UP AND I'M ACKNOWLEDGING, SAYING THAT THE PERSON'S THERE. I JUST KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD THAT I'VE HEARD IT DONE BOTH WAYS. BUT IF I'M GOING TO DONATE MY TIME TO SOMEONE, HAVE THEM SPEAK. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE FORM THAT SAYS THAT SOME DONATING MY TIME TO YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE GIVE THE FORM TO THE CITY CLERK.

OR DO YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE FORM TO THE CITY CLERK? IF SHE'S THERE, SHE'S A PERSON THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

MAYBE BOTH OF THEM NEED TO COME UP THERE AND SAY, I'M GIVING MY TIME TO THIS PERSON. THIS IS THE NAME, AND THIS IS THE PERSON.

I THINK THAT'S JUST AS GOOD.

AND MAYBE THAT CAN BE AN OPTION.

I JUST KNOW IT'S JUST CRAZY.

SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEY'VE BEEN HERE ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 6 HOURS TO WAIT.

AND WE'VE EVEN SEEN IT BEFORE WHERE IT'S BEEN SO LONG.

BECAUSE WHEN THEY CALL THE NAMES OUT, HALF THE PEOPLE UNDER HERE, THEY'VE ALREADY LEFT. JUST BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A LONG TIME UNTIL WE GOT TO THAT POINT.

SO, I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST I, I SUGGEST THAT IF WE WANT TO MOVE IT, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, IT STILL COULD TAKE JUST AS LONG, BUT IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO DONATE THE TIME AND IF THEY IF THEY HAVE TO LEAVE OR WHATEVER.

SO I THINK THE WHAT WE'VE ALSO SEEN IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, PEOPLE SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND IF THEY'VE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, THEY LEAVE. SO HAVING PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS, PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE ADVERTISED FOR A SPECIFIC TIME.

BUT GENERALLY IF PEOPLE ARE COMING, THEY COME TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WRITE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL FOLLOW. COUNCIL.

MEMBER WIGGINS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OH, NO. COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER AND COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS.

YES. THANK YOU. SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I HAD PUT ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 36 TO MOVE BOTH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TOGETHER TO BE RIGHT AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

I THINK THAT'D BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR IT.

AND I WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL ARE SIGNING UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS WHEN THEY'RE REALLY INTENDING TO BE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND AND SO TO CUT DOWN ON TIME, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ALL OF US IF IF WE HAD

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IT, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FIRST. SO THEN WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY SAY THEIR PIECE ABOUT THAT, AND THEN THEY REALIZE THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEY JUST LEAVE, AND THEN WE CAN ALL GET THAT TIME BACK.

YES. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS AND COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER JUST REITERATED, I DON'T I THINK THAT THE THE FUNCTION OF VERIFYING WHETHER A CITIZEN OR SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME SHOULD PROBABLY REST WITH THE CLERK.

AND SO IF THAT PERSON IS SUBMITTING THEIR DOCUMENT, THEIR FORM, IN ORDER TO SPEAK AND SAY THAT I AM SO-AND-SO AND I'M GIVING MY TIME TO THIS PERSON, AND THE CLERK VERIFIES THAT AS I GIVE THEIR TIME, I THINK THAT WE'RE JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PERSON IS ACTUALLY GIVEN THE TIME.

AND SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT FUNCTION RESTING WITH THE CLERK AND ALSO MOVING UP THE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL, JUST SO THAT CITIZENS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR THEIR VOICES HEARD AND NOT HAVE TO SIT THROUGH A VERY LONG MEETING. COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER.

I WANTED TO SEE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THOUGHT.

AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR.

THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS, AND WE CAN'T GIVE ANSWERS.

AND WE HAVE TO WAIT TO COUNCIL COMMENTS.

SHOULD WE MOVE UP OUR COUNCIL COMMENTS TO IN ORDER THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WHEN PEOPLE BRING THEM UP? COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU.

I THINK THE POINT IS BEING MISSED.

NOBODY IS SAYING AND IN THE WAY IN THE ORDER THAT IS STRUCTURED IS FINE BY MOVING IT UP.

THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT THE AGENDA, ADOPT THE APPROVE THE MINUTES, HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND LET PEOPLE AND THEN HAVE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THE QUESTION BECOMES. AND THE QUESTION BECOMES.

AND THIS HAS BEEN PASSED.

CITY CLERK DIANE WHITE.

AGNES, BELGIUM. AND. BRENDA.

JAMES. PASS. PASS. CITY CLERK.

HAVE ALWAYS THE PERSON THAT THE PERSON HAS.

ALWAYS. THEY'VE CALLED ON THE PERSON AND THEY'VE ALWAYS SAID THEY GIVE THEIR MINUTES OR YIELD THEIR TIME. THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD THE PERSON BE HERE PHYSICALLY TO SAY ON RECORD, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SIGNING A FORM AND YOU'RE GIVING YOUR TIME? SHOULD THE PERSON BE HERE PHYSICALLY TO SAY, I YIELD MY TIME SO YOU CAN BE ON RECORD? THAT'S THE QUESTION. YOU CAN WRITE IT ON PAPER ALL DAY LONG.

PAST CITY CLERKS WITHIN THIS CITY THAT I KNOW.

THAT I REMEMBER HAS NEVER DONE IT THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING DONE NOW.

THEY'VE ALWAYS CALLED ON THE PERSON AND THEY'VE ALWAYS VERBALLY SAID, I YIELD MY TIME. YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND LOOK AT PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS.

THAT'S THAT. THAT'S THE QUESTION.

DO YOU WANT THE PERSON TO PHYSICALLY BE HERE? AND I THINK WITH MOVING IT UP WILL HELP BETTER.

WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT HERE FOUR AND FIVE AND SIX HOURS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC HEARING. WE MIGHT GO RIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO THE PERSON SHOULD STILL BE HERE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TO SAY I GIVE MY TIME.

SO I JUST WANT TO INDICATE THAT WHEN I APPROVE THE AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 36 WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

BUT THE DISCUSSION ON RULE SIX, IN ORDER OF BUSINESS, WAS WE HAVE TWO THINGS THAT WE'VE COMBINED.

WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO RULE 28, IN ORDER FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE THOSE BRING BACK SOMETHING TO US.

WE NEED CONSENSUS. TONIGHT WOULD BE GOOD.

OR CITY ATTORNEY. AS IT RELATES TO RULE 28, WE HAD HEARD DISCUSSION ABOUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT THE PERSON NEEDS TO BE HERE TO GIVE TIME.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW IS THAT GIVING A TIME ACKNOWLEDGED? IS IT BY THE CITY CLERK? WHEN THEY SIGN UP AND THE CITY CLERK CONFIRMED THAT THE OTHER PERSON IS HERE, I GUESS THAT WOULD MEAN THE PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY.

THE OTHER IS THAT THE PERSON? EVEN IF THE FORM SAYS WHO THEY'RE GIVING TIME TO THAT AT THE TIME OF PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHEN THAT THE PERSON WHO'S RECEIVING TIME SPEAKS THAT THE OTHER PERSON HAS TO BE

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PRESENT. YOU COULD POTENTIALLY WRITE ONE THAT INCLUDES LENGTH.

REVISE IT. RED LINE IT TO SHOW BOTH.

THE OTHER IS THE PROCESS FOR SIGNING UP TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE RULE.

AND I THINK IT SHOULD IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT.

THE CITY CLERK POSTED DURING COVID THAT PROCESS.

I MEAN, WE CAN START WITH THAT LANGUAGE.

I THINK WE MENTIONED THAT BEFORE.

SO MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE US THAT COMBINED, BECAUSE I THINK AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS, WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON NEEDS TO BE HERE AND THEY NEED TO BE HERE TO GIVE TIME, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED TO STAY, WHETHER IT CAN BE ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE BEGINNING OR IS DONE THROUGH THE END, AND THEN THE ACTUAL PROCESS AS IT RELATES TO BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, PLEASE, MAYOR, YOU GAVE LIKE THREE OPTIONS THAT ARE ALL LIKE CONFLICTING.

AND SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE YOU WANT AN ORDINANCE WITH ALL THREE OF THOSE, A DRAFT OF AN ORDINANCE THAT'S AMENDING RULE EIGHT.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD DO ONE THAT AMENDS RULE 28 AND REQUIRES A PERSON TO BE HERE.

THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. I MEAN, BE BE THEY BOTH REQUIRED TO BE HERE, ONE THAT SAYS THEY CAN ONCE THEY CHECK IN WITH THE THEY HAVE TO CHECK IN PHYSICALLY WITH THE CLERK. THE OTHER ONE SAYS THEY HAVE TO GIVE THEIR TIME PHYSICALLY DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS. RIGHT. AND THEN BOTH OF THEM, I THINK YOU CAN PUT THE PROCESS FOR SIGNING UP TO GIVE TO SPEAK, AND IT SHOULD INDICATE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS.

RIGHT. WE SHOULD INDICATE THAT SOMEWHERE TOO.

SO THEY BOTH WOULD SAY HOW YOU SIGN UP.

ONE WOULD SAY YOU THE PROCESS LIKE GET HERE BY WHATEVER TIME.

FILL OUT THE COMMENT FORM WITH YOUR NAME. SO I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC HEARING RULE NEEDS TO BE AMENDED TO SAY YOU HAVE TO BE HERE TO SIGN UP.

NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT? BUT IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BECAUSE PEOPLE MAY THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS TO SPEAK.

SO I'M NOT SAYING WE CHANGE THE PUBLIC HEARING RULE.

IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO NOTE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO POTENTIALLY IT'S TWO VERSIONS.

ONE WOULD I LEAVE AND ONE WOULD THEY STAY? BUT THEY HAVE TO COME.

I THINK IT'S MORE EFFICIENT FOR MY TIME IS TO NOT DRAFT TWO VERSIONS, BUT GET A CONSENSUS OF THIS BOARD THIS EVENING ON WHAT VERSION IS GOING TO GET MAJORITY SUPPORT. SO, OKAY.

WHO WANTS THEM TO HAVE THE TO JUST SIGN UP AND BE VERIFIED BY THE CLERK? SIGN UP. BE VERIFIED BY THE CLERK.

THAT'S FOUR. THAT'S FIVE.

CORRECT. THAT IS, WE HAVE FIVE.

LET'S SAY YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE PRESENT DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YOU CAN JUST SHOW UP AND LEAVE AFTER YOU GIVE YOUR TIME.

SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO VERIFY? NO, NO. I'M SORRY. SHOW UP AND LEAVE AFTER YOU GIVE YOUR TIME.

AND THEN YOU FILL OUT THE FORM AND INDICATE WHO'S GIVING YOU TIME ON THE FORM.

AND YOU GET A FORM TO THE CITY CLERK.

AND THE CITY CLERK VERIFIES THAT THAT PERSON IS HERE IN GIVING TIME.

SO COUNCIL WOULDN'T SEE THAT PART.

IS COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS SAYS THAT WOULD BE THE DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CLERK.

OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION.

COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE? I THINK SO HOW DO YOU VERIFY THAT THEY'RE EASTBOURNE RESIDENT? BECAUSE ANYBODY COULD THEN SIGN UP AND SAY, I'M GIVING MY TIME.

BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE CLEARLY SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT TO SPEAK FIRST.

TO SPEAK FIRST? YEAH, TO SPEAK FIRST.

BUT LET ME SEE ABOUT GIVING TIME.

I DON'T KNOW. IT SPECIFIES IT SAID SPEAKERS MUST COMPLETE.

THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE AGENDA.

SPEAKERS MUST COMPLETE A COMMENT FORM PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING SO IT DOESN'T SAY 620 SAY PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING, WHICH IS BEFORE 630.

SUBJECT MAY INCLUDE ANY SUBJECT OF CHOICE.

THERE WILL BE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR EACH SPEAKER'S.

SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK MAY GIVE ALL OR PART OF THEIR TIME, UP TO THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER, FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES SPEAKING TIME.

SPEAKERS MAY ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ONLY ONCE DURING THIS TIME ON THE AGENDA. SPEAKERS MUST IDENTIFY THEMSELVES IN THEIR ADDRESS PRIOR TO SPEAKING.

QUESTIONS FROM THE SPEAKERS MAY NOT BE ADDRESSED IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE AGENDA. EASTPOINTE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE PRIORITY OVER OTHER SPEAKERS AND THEIR WILL NOT, SO THE EASTPOINTE RESIDENT PART IS ONLY ATTACHED TO THE PRIORITY OVER OTHER SPEAKERS, NOT NECESSARILY GIVING YOUR TIME.

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SO BASICALLY, SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITY CAN COME GIVE TIME TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

ANYBODY CAN GIVE TIME.

SO ANOTHER SPEAKER THAT'S CURRENTLY ANYBODY CAN GIVE TIME NOW.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE GIVEN TIME PERSON HAS TO BE HERE AND MAKE IT PUBLIC THAT THEY'RE GIVING THEIR TIME TO WHOMEVER.

CORRECT. AND THE MAKING IT PUBLIC OPTION IS JUST LET THE CITY CLERK KNOW THEY BOTH GO UP THERE AT THE SAME TIME AND SIGN AND THAT PERSON, AFTER THEY GIVE THEIR TIME AND IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED, CAN LEAVE.

AND THE PERSON WHO IS SPEAKING CAN STAY.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THE FIVE AGREED TO.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, MUST BE PRESENT TO SPEAK, OBVIOUSLY. RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO BE PRESENT TO SPEAK.

AND SO IF THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO GIVE THEIR TIME DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK.

I MEAN, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT THEY'RE NOT PRESENT THERE.

THEIR LACK OF PRESENCE MEANS THEY'VE WAIVED THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

MEANING THEIR RECIPIENT OF THEIR TIME DOESN'T GET IT BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THERE.

BUT THEN THERE'S THE OTHER ARGUMENT FROM THE FIVE THAT WANT THAT WANTS IT TO BE A CLERK RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THAT.

IT'S A DECISION OF THIS BOARD.

THESE ARE ALL RULES. RIGHT.

SO I'M HAPPY TO DRAFT.

WHATEVER. I JUST DON'T THINK HAVING TWO SEPARATE DRAFTS CLEARS THE ISSUE.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TWO APPROACHES.

CORRECT. AND THERE WERE FIVE WHO SAID DO IT THAT WAY.

COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBER. FRIEDLAND. YES.

THANK YOU. AND SO IN REGARDS TO WHO IS AN EAST POINT RESIDENT OR NOT ON THE ON THE COMMENT CARD OR THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT YOU FILL OUT, YOU HAVE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO WRITE OUT YOUR ADDRESS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S EXACTLY BEING FOLLOWED.

BUT IF WE CAN ASSURE THAT THE THAT GOING FORWARD THAT THAT IS BEING FILLED OUT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THE I DO LIKE THE SUGGESTION OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A COUNCIL COMMENT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

BECAUSE OFTEN TIMES PEOPLE DO WANT SOME KIND OF A RESPONSE AND TO HAVE THEM WAIT FOR UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE MEETING.

YOU KNOW, THEY CAN MISS THAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE OTHER COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD TO ADDRESS NOW WOULD BE, EXTENDING THE TIME TO SIGN UP.

RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP BETWEEN THE TIMES OF 6:00 AND 620.

I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO EXTEND THAT TO 625.

GRANTED THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE HERE TO SHOW UP FOR THE MEETING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT 20 MINUTES IS JUST REALLY NARROW TIMEFRAME.

YOU CAN'T TURN IT IN EARLY.

YOU CAN'T TURN IT IN LATE.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TURN IT IN EXACTLY WITHIN THIS 20 MINUTE TIMEFRAME.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S SOME OTHER CITIES THAT AND THIS IS KIND OF OPENING UP ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE OPENED UP TO HAVE EMAILED COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE MAY NOT BE PEOPLE WHO CAN SHOW UP.

AND SO WHAT THEY DO IS IF THERE'S TIME LEFT IN THE COMMENT PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, THE CLERK WILL READ THE EMAIL.

FOR HOWEVER MUCH TIME IS ALLOWED.

SO FOR US IT WOULD BE FOR THREE MINUTES.

I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE AS WELL.

ESPECIALLY SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE WE COULD DO IT FROM HOME.

AND THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COME OUT.

THIS MAY BE A GOOD TIME TO INCORPORATE THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL.

SO YEAH, I WANTED TO ADDRESS MADAM CITY ATTORNEY'S POINT ABOUT THE PERSON NOT BEING PRESENT. THEY WERE PRESENT.

THEY CAME. THEY SIGNED THE FORM.

THEY PRESENTED THEMSELVES TO THE CLERK.

THEY WERE PRESENT. SO HOW ARE YOU DEFINING THAT THEY'RE NOT PRESENT? I'M SAYING ONE ARGUMENT COULD BE THAT THEY'RE NOT PRESENT AT THE TIME THEY'RE CALLED TO SPEAK, WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DISCUSSION HERE.

EXACTLY RIGHT. NO MORE ACTION.

OH, DID I THINK. WAS IT.

NO, IT WAS CUMMINGS. IT WAS CUMMINGS.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T READ ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

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AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE, THAT THIS GOT TO BE THAT HARD TO JUST LET SOME PEOPLE SIGN UP. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO. I DON'T I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPLICATE IT OR TO MAKE IT HARD.

JUST LIKE NOW WE ARE TALKING.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CLOSE TO.

WE'RE WORKING ON AN HOUR TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

AND PEOPLE STILL WILL NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COME UP TO SPEAK NOW.

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING IS, AND IT'S NOT THAT OFTEN THAT PEOPLE DO THAT WHERE THEY SAID SOMEBODY'S DONATING THEIR TIME AND THEY'RE NOT HERE NOW.

I THINK IT HAPPENED LAST MEETING, AND IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW.

SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO TWEAK THE PROCESS.

AND LIKE I'M SAYING, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN, THEY WANT TO DONATE THE TIME.

THEY WRITE IT ON THE PAPER, THEY PUT THEIR NAME THERE. IF THEY GO, THEY GIVE IT TO THE CITY CLERK.

SHE ACKNOWLEDGES IT. AND NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE THING. WHERE ARE THEY? ARE THEY RESIDENTS OF EASTPOINTE? I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER LOOKED AT ANYBODY'S DRIVER'S LICENSE TO SEE WHO LIVES HERE OR NOT.

BUT IF YOU'RE DONATING YOUR TIME, YOU JUST DONATING THE TIME AND LETTING SOMEBODY ELSE TALK, WELL, AND THAT'S FINE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WE WE WE'RE GOING DOWN A WHOLE NOTHER RABBIT HOLE.

AND ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS JUST GIVE THE PEOPLE ANOTHER OPTION.

I KNOW HOW THINGS WERE DONE IN THE PAST, BUT TIMES CHANGE.

THINGS ARE DIFFERENT. SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD RESIDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE US EXTENDING THAT, YOU KNOW, AFFORDING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO THEM THAT THEY CAN JUST DONATE THEIR TIME. AND IF THEY HAVE TO LEAVE, THEY GOT TO GET KIDS, THEY GOT TO DO HOMEWORK. THEY GOT SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE FOR 3 TO 6 HOURS TO WAIT TO GET UP, TO MAKE A COMMENT OR TO DONATE MY THREE MINUTES OF TIME.

SO I DIDN'T WANT IT TO GET LIKE REAL BIG.

AND THE MONSTER THAT HAS TURNED INTO.

I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TRY AND GET A RESIDENCE AND OPTION OR SOMETHING TO DO. SO I STILL LIKE MOVING THE THE COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING, MOVING THAT TOGETHER AND THEN JUST GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY IF THEY WANT TO DONATE THE TIME, IF THEY HAVE TO LEAVE, IF IT'S VERIFIED BY THE CITY CLERK, THEN WE SHOULD BE GOOD.

I YIELD. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME FOR THE CITY CLERK TO VERIFY PEOPLE. AND SO RIGHT NOW THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN 6 TO 620.

THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE THE 625.

THE RULE CURRENTLY SAYS PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING, WHICH MEANS PRIOR TO 630 BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GET PEOPLE'S CARDS AND TO VERIFY THEM.

BUT WE CAN SEE IT IN PRACTICE.

I THINK THIS ISN'T GIVING PEOPLE MORE TIME TO SPEAK.

THE RULE YOU TALK ABOUT GIVING MORE TIME THAN IT'S CHANGING 60 MINUTES RIGHT NOW, THE MAXIMUM IS 60 MINUTES.

MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU HAVE WHAT? OH, SORRY, MR. BUTLER.

MADAM MAYOR, I CAN YIELD IT TO YOU AFTER YOU ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY YOUR QUESTION.

I CAN WAIT UNTIL YOU FINISH.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK HER IF SHE HAS WHAT SHE NEEDS TO DRAFT A ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. YES. SO FAR, I HAVE THAT RULE 28 WILL REFLECT THAT A PERSON DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PRESENT TO GIVE THEIR TIME.

YES, YES. SO THEY WILL HAVE TO BE PRESENT.

YES. SO IT SAYS THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE PRESENT.

SPEAKERS HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK, SO THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK.

EXACTLY. THEY GOTTA FILL OUT A FORM TOO.

AND THEN THEY CAN GIVE THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING WITH THE CITY CLERK. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO BE PRESENT.

THEY HAVE TO BE PRESENT AND GIVE THEIR TIME.

THEY DON'T. THEY CAN INDICATE ON THAT FORM THAT THEY LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO SOMEONE ELSE. CORRECT. SO THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK.

THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF ALL SPEAKERS AND THEN SPEAKERS OF SPEAKERS THAT THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. SO THEY ALL HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK.

MAY GIVE ALL OR PART OF THEIR TIME UP TO THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER FOR A TOTAL MINUTES OF SPEAKING TIME SO THEY CAN PUT THEIR THE GIVING OF TIME.

IT WILL BE CONFIRMED BY THE CITY CLERK PRIOR TO THE MEETING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THE THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE IS BECAUSE I THINK I MADE AN INTERPRETATION AT ONE MEETING THAT THE PERSON DIDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE WHEN THE PERSON THEY GAVE THEIR TIME TO GOT READY TO SPEAK. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE IT'S SILENT TO ME.

IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY COULD GIVE IT.

THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN IT, YOU KNOW, EARLIER AND THEN LEFT.

SO RIGHT AFTER THAT SENTENCE YOU JUST READ, THERE WILL BE SOMETHING THERE THAT REFLECTS THAT, THAT TIME WHEN IT'S GIVEN OR WHEN IT'S TAKEN BY THE PERSON THEY GIVE IT TO, THE PERSON THAT GAVE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SPEAK. I HAVE TO THINK OF A WAY TO MAKE THAT CLEAR PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

SOMETHING ABOUT THE CITY CLERK VERIFYING THE PERSON PRESENT IS GIVING THEIR TIME TO THE OTHER SPEAKER. THE SECOND CHANGE I HAVE IS TO RULE SIX.

THAT CHANGES THE ORDER.

WAIT A MINUTE. AND RULE 28.

THERE'S ALSO THE SIGN UP PROCESS TO ADD.

OKAY, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT THEN.

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OKAY. WHAT'S THE CHANGE FOR THE SIGN UP, INCLUDING THE PROCESS TO SIGN UP THAT THE CITY CLERK USES THAT WE WE PUBLISHED IT WHEN WE WERE IN COVID, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE HERE BY 620.

THEY SIGN UP TO SPEAK BETWEEN 6 AND 620.

THE CURRENT RULE SAYS PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING.

SO THAT'S LITERALLY PRIOR TO STARTING.

WE START AT 630. THAT WILL BE 629.

IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT IT BE 625.

SO WHAT'S THE TIME? I THINK IF THEY'RE REQUIRING THE CITY CLERK TO VERIFY, I NEED TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF TIME.

BUT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW? YES, MA'AM. MADAM MAYOR, I WAS AFTER WE FINISH THIS ISSUE.

IF IT PLEASES THE MAYOR OF ASKING THAT WE COULD ALLOW STAFF TO DO THEIR ISSUES.

I KNOW SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

AND THEN WE CAN COME TALK ABOUT THE REST OF OUR ISSUES AFTER WE'VE LET THEM DONE THEIR ISSUES ON THIS AGENDA.

YEP. THAT'S WHAT I DID AT THE LAST MEETING. I THINK MAYBE YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I DID. THERE'S A LAUGH, BUT YOU CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW THE VIDEO AND IT WILL CONFIRM THAT I ASKED FOR ALL STAFF AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.

A CITY ATTORNEY WIGGINS.

SO THE SIGN UP HAS TO BE DONE PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

I'M GATHERING FROM THE SILENCE THAT THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC TIME JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING. WE SHOULD HAVE A TIME, RIGHT? AND THEN LET ME HELP YOU ON THAT POINT.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S 620. SHOULD IT BE EXTENDED? THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR 625.

WHO WANT. 621. 625 OKAY.

625. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE OTHER CHANGES TO RULE SIX THAT WE'RE CHANGING THE ORDER AS DISCUSSED. WE'LL GO TO THAT ONE NOW AND SO ON.

RULE SIX, THERE WAS THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE.

SEVEN APPROVAL OF COUNSELOR SEVEN THROUGH TEN TO BECOME 789 TEN FIVE.

SO THAT WE COME. FIVE.

SIX. SEVEN. EIGHT AND NINE.

THERE WAS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION THAT NUMBER 13 MOVE UP TO AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

WHAT'S THE DISCUSSION? WHAT'S THE THOUGHT AROUND THAT PEOPLE WANT COUNCIL COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL TO MOVE UP TO AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL UP TO AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO WE NEED THAT THERE ARE FIVE PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL FROM THE END OF THE AGENDA UP TO AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER STRATFORD.

SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.

IF YOU HAVE A LONG AGENDA AND YOU MOVE.

SO ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A TIME LIMIT ON HOW LONG YOU SPEAK? AND IF YOU SPEAK, THEN YOU YOU DON'T SPEAK AT THE END.

WILL THERE BE A TIME LIMIT? BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

EVERYBODY IS PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.

SO I THINK YOU NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT ONE.

SO THE CURRENT RULE OF COUNSEL.

IS ACTUALLY I THINK THERE'S NO RULE ON IT.

IT'S IN THE ORDER. AND THEN THE POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE IS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL.

ONE A PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

IS.

ALL IS WELL. SO THE RIGHT OF COUNCIL MEMBER TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THE QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE. PRIVILEGE SHALL BE LIMITED TO CASES IN WHICH INTEGRITY, CHARACTER OR MOTIVES ARE ASSAILED, QUESTIONED OR IMPUGNED.

THE QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE MUST BE ENTERTAINED DURING COMMENT AND COUNCIL COMMENTS FOR A PERIOD OF EIGHT MINUTES, WHICH INCLUDES THE THREE MINUTES ALLOWED FOR COUNCIL COMMENTS. DID I MISS THE RULE? SO RIGHT NOW IT SAYS WE HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR COUNCIL COMMENTS,

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SO THAT WILL COME AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH COULD BE A POTENTIAL 36 MINUTES IN THAT PART OF THE AGENDA FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

COUNCIL MEMBER FREELY AND COUNCIL MEMBER.

RIGHT. I WAS GOING TO ECHO COUNCILWOMAN POINT.

I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH MOVING UP COUNCIL COMMENTS TO THE SUGGESTED POSITION, BUT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A VERY STRICT TIME LIMIT.

I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST CUTTING IT FROM THREE MINUTES TO TWO AND BEING STRICTLY ADHERED TO WITH THE CLOCK. OTHERWISE, IT'S GOING TO GO ON AND ON AND ON AND PUSH THE REST OF THE AGENDA INTO AFTER MIDNIGHT.

SO I WOULD SUPPORT IT WITH A STRICT TIME LIMIT.

YES. I ALSO I WOULD SUPPORT IT MOVING IT UP.

NOT FOR THE NECESSARILY TO RESPOND TO THINGS THAT MAY BE SAID BY CITIZENS, BUT BECAUSE USUALLY DURING COUNCIL COMMENTS, WE'RE ALSO GIVEN INFORMATION ABOUT ANY KIND OF UPCOMING PROGRAM OR EVENT.

AND IF THERE ARE MORE CITIZENS HERE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR IT, I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITIZENRY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY JUST TO RESPOND, BECAUSE THAT CAN BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE AND ALMOST PROTRACTED, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO YELL OR SAY THINGS FROM THE AUDIENCE, BUT JUST TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON ANY OF THE UPCOMING EVENTS OR PROGRAMS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS THE ONE.

IT STAYS AT THE END, THE TWO.

IT MOVES UP UNDER THE CURRENT TIME FRAMES, AND THE THREE IT MOVES UP WITH CHANGING THE COMMENT PERIOD TO TWO MINUTES.

THAT WOULD MEAN THE POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE WOULD STILL BE AT THE END OF THE MEETING. WE'D HAVE TO STRIKE OUT THE DURING COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL, SO WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING AT THE END TO DEAL WITH QUESTIONS OF A PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, OR THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WOULD BE STILL WHERE YOU ADDRESS THE POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

AND INSTEAD OF EIGHT MINUTES.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT COMMENTS BE TWO MINUTES. SO IT WOULD BE SEVEN. BUT THE RULES GIVE FIVE MINUTES ON A QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

FIVE MINUTES FOR A PERSON.

POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE IS ALLOWED.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IF WE MOVE UP COMMENTS FROM THE RULE.

CLEARLY CRUEL RULE 12 CLEARLY INDICATES AN INTENT TO HAVE QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE BE ADDRESSED AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

IT STARTS BY SAYING. IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED DURING COUNCIL COMMENTS. WELL, IT DOESN'T SPLASH A CLEAR INTENT, IT JUST EXPRESSES THE CLEAR INTENT THAT IT'S A PART OF. COUNCIL COMMENTS. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A TOTAL OF EIGHT MINUTES.

IF A QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE INCLUDED, IF THE QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE RULE CHANGES AND THIS AND COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL ARE MOVED UP, THEN QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE WOULD BE ADDRESSED AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL AS A PART OF COUNCIL COMMENTS.

AND THE RULES CLEARLY INDICATE AN INTENTION TO GIVE FIVE MINUTES FOR POINTS OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. AND SO YOU ALL HAVE TO ADDRESS QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE AND COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL AND COUNCIL COMMENTS.

WE CAN GIVE THE CITY ATTORNEY SOMETHING DIRECTION TO DRAFT AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US. I WOULD I WOULD HAVE HOPED THAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL NEED TO FLESH OUT PUBLIC COMMENTS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I WAS HOPEFUL THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO DISCUSS RULE SIX AND MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND

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VOTE ON MONDAY. TO MAKE THE CHANGE.

AND THEN IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY AS IT RELATES TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THOSE UP.

BUT IF WE CAN'T GET CONSENSUS ON WHETHER OR NOT COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL, COUNCIL COMMENTS SHOULD MOVE UP TO AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCLUDE POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, WHICH IS FIVE MINUTES, OR HAVE A SEPARATE QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE AT THE END. I MEAN, CONSENSUS IS BETTER TO HELP MOVE THAT FORWARD, AND THE SOONER WE ADDRESS THE ORDER OF BUSINESS, THE SOONER WE WILL BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT ORDER.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ASSUME THAT THE ORDER OF THE BUSINESS OF THE MEETING IS THE MAYOR'S DOING, AND THESE ORDINANCES PREDATE ME EVEN SERVING AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. I'VE RAISED THEM SEVERAL TIMES AND MADE SUGGESTIONS TO COUNCIL TO ADDRESS IT. BUT NOW I'VE PLACED IT ON THE AGENDA SO AS NOT TO BE THE SOLE PERSON ERRONEOUSLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FLOW OF OUR MEETINGS IS WHY I PUT IT HERE, AND HOPES THAT WE COULD ADDRESS IT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

SO THE MISCONCEPTION OF IT'S THE MAYOR CAN BE GONE, AND THAT WE CAN AGREE AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT ADDRESSES THE FLOW OF THE MEETINGS AND THAT THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL ACTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER, FREELAND AND COUNCIL MEMBERS? YES.

ARE WE GOING TO DO A SHOW OF HANDS, AS WE DID ON THE OTHER DECISION WE MADE? IF YOU IF YOU ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS, I BET WE'LL GET SOME.

I MEAN, NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

I RAISED THAT, AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU ALL WANT THAT TO GO IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE.

COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. LOOK, MY OPINION WOULD BE THAT THAT STAYS AT THE END OF THE MEETING AND THE COUNCIL COMMENTS MOVE UP AND ARE RESTRICTED TO TWO MINUTES.

THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER FREELY RECOMMENDATION IS COMMENTS FOR COUNCIL MOVES UP TO PUBLIC AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS IS CHANGED TO FROM 3 MINUTES TO 2 MINUTES.

AND THAT THE QUESTION OF PROFESSIONAL PRIVILEGE, IF NEEDED, WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE AGENDA WITH A FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.

WHO IS IN SUPPORT OF THAT? ONE. TWO. THREE. FOUR.

FIVE. SO CAN YOU CHANGE? SO YOU'LL MOVE UP? SEVEN THROUGH TEN.

THEN THEY THAT WOULD GO TO THEY WOULD BE.

FIVE THROUGH NINE. TEN WOULD BE.

COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

WE WOULD NEED A SEPARATE RULE.

NO. RULE 12 ONLY DEALS WITH QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

AND THEY WANT TO KEEP QUESTION OF PURPLE PERSONAL PRIVILEGE SEPARATE FROM COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. SO SO WE NEED A COMMENT.

A COUNCIL COMMENT RULE THAT SAYS COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL IS LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

AND THEN THE QUESTION OF PERSONAL QUESTION OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE RULE WOULD BE CHANGED TO REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL AND REFLECT FIVE MINUTES.

SO YES, TOTAL FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVEN THREE FOR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL.

BUT BUT SINCE COUNCIL COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL IS MOVING UP AND THE TIME HAS BEEN CHANGED TO TWO MINUTES, IT'S BEING SEPARATED.

SO WE STILL KEEP THE FIVE MINUTES OF.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE FOR MONDAY? OKAY. OKAY.

SO. WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT RULE? YEAH. SO WE. WE PRESENT.

YEAH. AND WE HAVE 28 AND SIX ON MONDAY.

WE COULD APPROVE THEM AND THEY GO INTO EFFECT IN FIRST MEETING OF JULY.

YES. ALRIGHTY. SO THIS IS AGENDA

[III.7. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Tri-Cites High School Champions Signage]

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AND TEN IS AGENDA. MR. REEVES, WE HAVE YOU ALL TALKED.

I GUESS AS MR. REEVES AND PARKS AND REC.

HAVE Y'ALL TALKED TO TRI-CITIES ABOUT THE SIGNAGE? THE CHAMPIONSHIP SIGNAGE? IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE IT TO.

I MEAN, THEY'RE ON SUMMER BREAK NOW.

OKAY. CAN YOU PRESS THE MIC FOR ME? GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL. YES, MA'AM.

WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THE SIGN THAT THAT'S ORDERED, AND I GOT TO PUT THE IT'S A 12 BY 48, SO IT'S 12IN BY 48IN LONG.

HAVE WE SHARED IT WITH SCHOOL? NO, WE HAVE, WE JUST THEY GAVE US THE INFORMATION AND WE JUST GOT THAT BACK TODAY.

SO WE'LL GET THAT TO THE SCHOOL.

SO. YES, MA'AM. WHAT'S THE COST? NOT TO EXCEED $1,000. IT'LL BE SEVERAL SIGNS SO WE CAN PUT THEM IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

OKAY. THE TOTAL OR PERSON? TOTAL? NO. TOTAL. $2,000.

TOTAL. SO IT'S REALLY $900, BUT WE JUST GOING TO PUT OUT $1,000 NOT TO EXCEED $1,000. THE TOTAL SHOULD BE $900.

THEY'LL BE READABLE. YES, MA'AM.

THEY'LL BE READABLE. READABLE.

YEAH. WHAT'S THE SIZE AGAIN? YOU SAID. YEAH. THE SIGNS WILL BE POSTED. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE SIZE.

I'M SORRY. 12 BY 48. 12 OH BY 48.

YES, MA'AM. 48. AND THEN 12.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNSELOR? AND IF AND I DO HAVE. I'M SORRY.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE USE THE COLORS AS AN EXAMPLE.

IF WE DON'T WANT THE COLORS, IF WE WANT TO USE CITY COLORS, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. BUT WE NEED TO TRY SOMETHING. YES, MA'AM. COUNCIL MEMBER MARK COUNCIL MEMBER.

YES. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NOW, IS THIS A BANNER SIGN.

IT'S A NO. IT'S A LIKE A STREET SIGN.

KIND OF. YES, MA'AM. METAL SIGN.

YEAH. WE'LL BE POSTING THEM UP ON SIGNPOST NOW.

WAS THERE ANOTHER OPTION TO BE ON THOSE LIGHTS LIKE I SEE IN OTHER CITIES LIKE THIS? IS IT WHEN THIS IS, IT HAS SOMETHING THAT THAT'S ON A LIGHT.

WHEN THIS IS A LIGHT POST THE LIGHT BANNER, IT SAYS, THIS IS IT. IT'S CELEBRATING 25 YEARS.

YOU CAN SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN CAMP CREEK, GOING FURTHER INTO THE MARKETPLACE.

NOW, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE DO OUR EXCUSE ME, I THOUGHT IT WAS CADDELL. WHEN WE DO OUR WAYFINDING SIGNS AND OUR CITY LIMITS SIGNS THAT WE'RE READY TO GO INTO NEXT BUDGET YEAR, THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE. SIMILAR TO WHAT HE HAS.

I THINK WHAT HE HAS AT THE PARK AND RECREATIONS ELECTRIC SIGN THAT KIND OF MENTIONS IT. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

I HAVE A QUESTION. MARY. WHEN? WHEN IS JUNETEENTH? IS IT MONDAY OR ARE WE CELEBRATED ON THURSDAY? THURSDAY. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW YOU MENTIONED MONDAY'S COUNCIL MEETING.

SORRY ABOUT. NEXT THURSDAY.

OH, YEAH. SO WE'LL BE OFF ON THURSDAY.

OH, NO. JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION IS SATURDAY THE 14TH.

I'M SORRY. NOT. OH, THE HOLIDAY IS NEXT THURSDAY.

THURSDAY? OKAY. BECAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED MONDAY. I DIDN'T MAKE SURE WE HAD A COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YES, MA'AM. COUNCIL MEMBER I THANK YOU, MR. REEVES. THE POINT THAT I HAD RAISED AT THE TIME THIS WAS INITIALLY DISCUSSED, AND I CAN'T TELL FROM THIS DRAWING.

WILL THIS SIGN BE SO THAT IF THEY WIN THE 2026 CHAMPIONSHIP, WHERE SOMETHING CAN BE ADAPTED? WE WE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO.

SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT UNDERNEATH ANOTHER SIGN THAT SAYS THE CHAMPIONSHIP YEAR.

OKAY. WE HAD A COUPLE OPTIONS THAT WE COULD MAKE THE SIGN SPACING SO WE COULD ADD ANOTHER YEAR, OR WE COULD TAKE IT IN THAT ANOTHER YEAR UNDERNEATH THE SIGN, SAY TO BE CHAMPIONS IN 2026, 2027, 2028.

THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE SIGNS, OKAY.

JUST AS LONG AS IT'S ADAPTABLE TO.

YES. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THREE OF THOSE. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY ALREADY WON THREE.

HE WON THREE ALREADY. WE CAN DO THAT.

SO YEAH I MEAN BUT EVEN WITH THAT, THE COST SHOULDN'T GO OVER THE 25.

YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THE CHAMPIONSHIPS ON THERE.

I'M GLAD YOU TOLD ME THAT. NOBODY TOLD ME THEY WON THREE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

OKAY. RIGHT. WE CAN HAVE THAT ADDED TO IT.

THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SIGN, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD AGREED THAT THE SIGN WOULD SAY CITY OF CHAMPIONS, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE WHATEVER DIVISION IN THE YEAR. AND I THINK THAT THIS ONE DOESN'T SAY CITY OF CHAMPIONS.

IT JUST SAYS TRY CITY'S BOYS.

AND THEN IT JUST HAS LIKE 2025.

SO THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD WE WERE DUBBING OURSELVES AS A CITY OF CHAMPIONS AND THEN HAVE THE YEARS THAT THE,

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THE, THE DIFFERENT TEAMS HAD WON THE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

NOT. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WE CAN HAVE A CHANGE.

WE GOT TIME. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING SO YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU HOLD A SIGN, THE SIGN WOULD SAY CITY VS POINT, CITY OF CHAMPIONS AND THEN PUT EAST POINT TRI-CITIES. I MEAN, TRACY, I JUST I JUST THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AGREED THAT WE'D SAY CITY OF CHAMPIONS, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE BOYS DIVISION WHATEVER, 2023 AND THEN WHATEVER, THEN 2425.

SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING SIGNS TO THAT.

BUT I DID THINK THAT WE WERE DUBBING EASTPOINTE AS THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS.

THAT'S JUST WHAT I RECALL.

BUT I MAY BE WRONG. WELL, WE DEFINITELY GOT TO HIGHLIGHT THE ACTUAL SCHOOL NAME. MIGHT COULD GET TOO BUSY WITH A LOT OF WORDS ON IT.

SO HAVING A HIGH SCHOOL'S NAME PROBABLY WOULD BE A BETTER RECOGNITION TO KIND OF SIGNIFY THAT THAT SCHOOL ACTUALLY WON.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YES, IT DEFINITELY WOULD THAT INFORMATION, I MEAN, BECAUSE OTHERWISE NOBODY WOULD KNOW WHO WANTS.

I'M NOT SAYING NOT HAVE TRI-CITY AS A HEADER.

YEAH. LIKE AS A SMALLER FUND.

SO IT DOESN'T. SO THE SCHOOL IS STILL ABOVE IT OR.

YEAH. CITY OF CHAMPIONS ACTORS AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS ALSO LIKE OUR PARKS AND REC PROGRAMS HAVE WON STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

AND SO IF THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS IS THE TAGLINE AT THE TOP, YOU COULD INDICATE THE YEARS THAT.

I MEAN, THEY WON STATE ONE YEAR.

WHEN THEY DID SOFTBALL, THEY WON FLAG FOOTBALL JUST CAME UP FOR US.

I MEAN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO CELEBRATE AND A LOT OF THAT PROGRAMING ARE DONE AT OUR FIELDS. RIGHT.

AND SO FOR THOSE SIGNS AROUND PARKS AND RECREATION, MAYBE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FIELD OR THE THE BASKETBALL, THE GYM WHERE BASKETBALL, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ALSO KIND OF CELEBRATE. I KNOW THIS IS TALKING ABOUT TRI-CITY SIGNAGE.

WE DID TALK ABOUT CITY OF CHAMPIONS BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARADE, WE WERE GOING TO DO IT FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL BOYS AND THE GIRLS BASKETBALL, I THINK IT WAS. AND THEN THEY HAD TO GO PLAY AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT THAT DAY.

SO THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A SHIRT THAT THEY DID ONE YEAR BEFORE I GOT YOU. SO I IF IT'S OKAY MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I CAN GET A, A DESIGN AND HAVE AN EMAIL TO THE EVERYONE SO WE CAN SEE IT BEFORE NEXT MONDAY. I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH.

I MEAN, SCHOOL IS ALSO OUT, RIGHT? SO LIKE, IF YOU CAN DO A MONDAY OR YOU CAN COME BACK TO THE JULY.

WELL JUST GET. I CAN HAVE I CAN GET THE DESIGN AND PROBABLY GET AN EXAMPLE SENT TO EVERYBODY. SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK MONDAY AND HAVE IT APPROVED. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

BUT WE I GOT YOU. SO WE'LL DO SOMETHING LIKE BECAUSE CITY OF I MEAN WESTLAKE AREA THEY HAVE AND IN FULTON COUNTY THEY DID DIFFERENT SIGNS FOR EACH ONE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT WON CHAMPIONSHIPS. AND THEY ONLY PUT THEM IN THEIR AREA AS WELL. WE ONLY GOT ONE PRETTY MUCH ONE HIGH SCHOOL. SO THAT'S WHY WE SAID THAT.

BUT IF WE WANT TO DO A SIGN THAT PRETTY MUCH SAYS CITY OF CHAMPIONS AND THEN TRY CITY BOY, SIMILAR TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ON THERE OTHER THAN THE EAST POINT, AND JUST TRY CITY BOYS BASKETBALL AND HAD A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP YEARS ON THERE.

AND THEN EAST POINT EAST POINT CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS AS WELL.

SO WERE WE SOLELY HIGHLIGHTING THE HIGH SCHOOL OR THE REC AND THE HIGH SCHOOL SO THEY THEY BOTH WOULDN'T BE ON THE SAME SIDE.

OH, SO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS ABOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS PARADE CONCEPT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD THE BOYS BASKETBALL CHAMPS, AND I GOT PARKS AND REC GIRLS BASKETBALL CHAMPIONS.

SO IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER SIGNAGE FOR THEM AS WELL, THE THE CONNECTOR WOULD BE THE CITY OF CHAMPIONS AS A THEME.

OKAY. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK TO THE PRINCIPAL AND THE COACH AT TRI-CITIES HIGH SCHOOL TO GET THEIR INPUT ON THE SIGNAGE, TOO. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SUMMER SCHEDULES ARE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I'M SURE I MEAN, THE PRINCIPALS THERE YEAR ROUND, THEY TAKE SOME DAYS OFF. SO SHE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH COACH FORTS AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

I THINK BEFORE WE FINALIZE ANYTHING, WE SHOULD GET THERE.

OKAY. OKAY. WILL IT BE TWO SIDED, ONE SIDED? ONE SIDED. OKAY. SO LIKE WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN YOU SEE IT OR WE'LL HAVE SOME ON THE OTHER SIDE. COMING OUT. COMING INTO WORK.

THE IDEA WAS TO PUT THEM IN AREAS COMING INTO THE CITY.

SO YOU'LL SEE THEM COMING INTO THE CITY.

AND BY THE SCHOOL. BY THE SCHOOL.

OKAY. MAINLY BY THE SCHOOL.

OKAY. SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME IF IT'S OKAY.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL WE'LL COME BACK WITH A DESIGN FOR. WE HAVE A START HERE. WE'LL COME

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BACK WITH DESIGN FOR YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF FINAL VERSION SO YOU CAN. YOU CAN YOU CAN REVIEW AND APPROVE. THAT'S FINE.

YES MA'AM. ALLOW OUR SESSION OR 7008.

NINE DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED BUDGET.

THEN WE HAVE. AMEN. WE HAVE.

THE CASUALTY INSURANCE.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS A COUPLE.

SO, YEAH. NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE APARTMENTS. GO AHEAD.

COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.

ABOUT THE SIGN. SO INSTEAD OF THE BASKETBALL, I MAYBE IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE, LIKE, OUR EAST POINT SEAL.

SO IT'S KIND OF. IT SHOWS THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL.

I DON'T KNOW, JUST IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THAT CAME TOP OF MIND FOR ME.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

HOLD ON A MINUTE. THE.

YOU HAVE. YOU GOT QUITE A FEW OF THEM.

I WAS ABOUT TO TRY TO TAKE YOU ALL AND LET YOU ALL GO.

MR.. MR.. REEVES, YOU GOT QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS.

[IV.18. Council Discussion and Possible Action on State Contract 99999-SPD-S20200901-00024, Vendor Bayne Development, for Construction Services at Rantin Park; CIP APPROVED; FUNDING SOURCE ARPA; Not to Exceed $290,000.00]

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY, AND I MIGHT.

PARKS AND RECREATION. YOU HAVE.

AND. THE RANSOM PARK CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR $290,000 WAS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT RANSOM.

YES, IT'S ACTUALLY A FULL RENOVATION OF RANSOM PARK.

THE END OF LAST YEAR, I ALREADY PURCHASED THE NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. ALL OF THE PARK AMENITIES.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION WORK OUT THERE AT THAT PARK. QUESTION.

COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER. THANK YOU, MR. PIG. TELL ME, WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT HOW IS IT GOING TO BE DIFFERENT? SO IF ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE TERRAIN? WE HAVE A LOT OF EROSION, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO LEVEL THE PARK OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE REPOSITIONING THE NEW PLAYGROUND TO TRY TO STOP SOME OF THE EROSION THAT'S RUNNING OFF ON THE BACK END.

THE PAVILIONS AND THE BATHROOMS ARE IN GREAT SHAPE.

SOME NEW LANDSCAPING. IT'S A LOT OF OVERGROWTH ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PARK.

GOING TO CLEAN IT UP. MAKE IT A LOT MORE APPEALING.

WE'LL PUT AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN OUR NEW SIDING IN THE PARK.

JUST TO NAME A FEW OF THE THINGS.

THE PARK IS NOT ACCESSIBLE NOW.

SO MOST OF THE CONCRETE PATHS ARE ONLY ONE WAY IN, SO IT'LL BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE.

SO IF YOU'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR, YOU CAN ACCESS THE PARK IN ALL DIFFERENT POINTS. SO BE BUSTING UP ALL THAT CONCRETE THAT'S OUT THERE NOW AND CREATE A NEW ROUTE AROUND A NEW PLAYGROUND.

OH, THE WAY IT'S RAINING.

I MEAN IT COULD PROBABLY BE AS SHORT AS LIKE MAYBE A MONTH AND A HALF.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TOO BAD.

THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS EXPECTED TO BE BACK INTO THAT PARK AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST. SO THE TIMING SHOULD THE CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE DONE BRINGING IN A NEW PLAYGROUND.

THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BUTTON UP THE PROJECT. YEAH.

COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE, COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS. THANK YOU.

AND SO THAT ANSWERS THAT FOR RENTON PARK.

AND AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE SENT THIS.

[IV.19. Council Approval for Vendor Gametime, from Cooperative Agreement OMNIA Partners, for Dog Park Amenities, Park Benches, Picnic Tables, Shade Canopy at Sumner Park; CIP APPROVED; FUNDING SOURCE ARPA; Not to Exceed $44,432.09]

IF THIS IS ON THE AGENDA, BUT MY QUESTION IS FOR WHAT IS THIS? SOMETHING TO PARK? YES.

SO I SEE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE DOG PARK AMENITIES, THE PARK BENCHES, PICNIC TABLES, THE CANOPY, THE CANOPY PAVILION SHADED THE SHADED CANOPY.

SO YOU'RE UPGRADE YOUR.

YEAH. SO WE REPLACED THE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.

SO THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME ADDITIONS TO IT.

OKAY. AND MY CAPITAL REQUEST FOR 26 IS TO CHANGE OUT MORE OF THAT PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.

RIGHT NOW, WE'VE INSTALLED WE'VE INSTALLED ADA BE ACCESSIBLE.

WE'VE REACHED OUT SO FAR TO ADA ACCESSIBLE SWING SET, AND WE ALSO DID A AUTO SENSORY PLAYGROUND PIECE.

AND MY BUDGET REQUEST FOR 26 IS TO ADDRESS THE BIGGER PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE.

OKAY, BUT BUT ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO BE REPLACED WHEN WITH THE AGENDA ITEM.

YEAH. A LOT. I MEAN, IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE AFTER WE GET SIGNATURE ROUTES.

I WOULD SAY MAYBE SIX WEEKS.

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OH, OKAY. YEAH. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT TOO BAD.

OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN THAT BRINGS ME TO CENTER PARK.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN. YEAH.

SO THE RAIN HAS STOPPED MY CONSTRUCTION FOR TWO WEEKS.

SO ONCE WE GET SOME DRY DAYS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE GRADING.

WE'RE DOING ALL NEW SIDING IN THERE.

THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WILL COME IN LAST, AND THEY'LL FINISH THE LAST PART OF THE THE WALKWAY AND THE PAVILION IS ALREADY ORDERED AS WELL, BUT EVERYTHING GOT PUSHED BACK. THESE LAST TWO WEEKS.

WITH THE RAIN. BECAUSE OF THE RAIN? YEAH. THANK YOU. IN THE BASEBALL FIELD.

RIGHT THERE. FOR WHICH PART? GRAYSON. KNOW WHAT? I'M THE PART.

YEAH. SO I'M THE GRAYSON.

YEAH. OH, YEAH. SO MAN, THAT PROJECT IS COMING ALONG GREAT.

WE GOT ALL OF THE APPLIANCES.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE DELIVERED FOR THE CONCESSION STAND. I WANT TO SAY IN THE NEXT TEN DAYS. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH POWER.

WE GOT NEW LIGHTS UP. BUT THE PART LOOKS GREAT.

LET ME ASK YOU, HAVE YOU HAVE PEOPLE STARTED SCHEDULING TO HAVE BASEBALL GAMES? SO WHAT I WANT TO DO, I WANT TO DO, LIKE A GRAND OPENING OF THEIR PARK BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DOWN.

PROMISES HOUSING. YEAH.

I WAS PROBABLY LIKE IN COLLEGE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

BUT THAT PARK HAS BEEN DOWN.

BUT I'M GOING TO DO LIKE A NEW GRAND OPENING FOR THAT PARK RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU GO BY THERE, WE WE OVERSEE IT.

SO THE GRASS IS HIGH. SO WE'RE GOING TO LET THIS RAIN DO WHAT TO DO.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO CUT IT BACK DOWN.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS READY TO GO.

SO ONCE I GET THOSE APPLIANCES IN FOR THE CONCESSION STAND, WE'RE GOING TO DO LIKE A GRAND OPENING OF GRAYSON, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN START UTILIZING IT.

SO BETWEEN THAT PARK AND MILNER PARK.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

AWESOME. YES. THANK YOU.

DIRECTOR PINK, VERY QUICKLY. RANSON PARK.

YOU SAID TWO MONTHS TO COMPLETE. WHEN DO YOU EXPECT CONSTRUCTION TO START? WELL, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS, THIS PART.

REALISTICALLY, I'M THINKING PROBABLY AFTER THE FOURTH.

AFTER FOURTH? YEAH. REALISTICALLY.

YEAH. THAT'S IT. I'LL PUSH BEFORE THE END.

BUT I'M THINKING PROBABLY AFTER THE FOURTH IS WHENEVER WE GET OUT THERE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF YOUR ITEMS. WHEN I ASKED EARLIER IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER NON STAFF PEOPLE HERE NO ONE RESPONDED.

I SEE THAT THE CONSULTANT FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN IS HERE.

ITEM NUMBER 15. Y'ALL CAN COME FORWARD.

[IV.15. Council Review and Approval of the EDSP 2025 Timeline/Implementation Plan. the Plan Builds on the Previous Objectives and Strategies of the 2012 Plan with Time Frame for Next Steps Regarding the New Plan.]

IS THAT THE CONSULTANT? IF YOU WANT THE CONSULTANT.

GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL.

MACEIO. ROGERS. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IN YOUR PACKET WE THE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY PLAN 2025 TIMELINE AND IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

THE PLAN BUILDS ON THE PREVIOUS OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES OF THE 2012 PLAN WITH TIME FRAME FOR NEXT STEPS REGARDING THE NEW PLAN IN YOUR PACKET BEFORE YOU THE DETAILED INFORMATION SCHEDULE INCLUDES ALL ACTION ITEMS FROM THE 2520, 25 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND INDICATES THE TENTATIVE IMPLEMENTATION TIMEFRAME WITHIN THE CITY OF EASTBOURNE IS INCLUDED AS ONE OF THE LEAD ENTITIES RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTATION AND THE ROLE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION.

HERE YOU WILL SEE THE 25 2026 CITY OF EAST POINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY PLAN DETAILED AND ITS IMPLEMENTATION AND SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.

AND OF COURSE, THIS INCLUDES A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE REDUNDANT FROM ONE MONTH TO THE NEXT FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU WILL SEE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE ONE OFFS FOR THE TIME FRAME.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY MAY HAPPEN ONCE OR TWICE OR MAYBE A FEW TIMES.

BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY MIGHT BE SEASONAL.

SO FOR EXAMPLE YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE REDUNDANT THINGS, SUCH AS OUR BODY BOARD MEETINGS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETINGS COUNCIL MEETINGS SUCH AS CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT THAT I ATTEND OUR MARKETING PROMOTIONAL EFFORTS WITH RESPECT TO BUSINESS RECRUITMENT AND JOB CREATION, AS WELL AS TOUTING THE QUALITY OF LIVING FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT.

THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO THAT OCCUR MONTHLY MULTIPLE TIMES.

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AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU'LL SEE THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE THAT ARE ONE OFFS.

BASICALLY THE FACADE GRANT AWARDS EFFORT RIGHT NOW THINGS SUCH AS WEDNESDAY WIND DOWN 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION FORTHCOMING OUR ANNUAL SICKLE CELL RACE THAT IS LATER IN THE YEAR, A SMALL BUSINESS SYMPOSIUM.

AND THEN, WITH RESPECT TO THOSE THINGS AND OTHERS, YOU'LL SEE THE PERSON IDENTIFIED BY AS AS MEMBERS OF THE STAFF WHETHER IN PAIRS OR WHETHER THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT OR WHETHER A SINGLE LEAD ENTITY THAT WOULD LEAD THAT THAT INITIATIVE. AND OF COURSE, THE THE AMOUNT OF ESTIMATED COST FOR DOING THAT. AND SO AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE JULY STARTING NEXT MONTH.

THESE NEW ITEMS, FOR EXAMPLE SUCH AS HOST OR SUPPORT, LUNCH AND LUNCH IS A NEW INITIATIVE THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE ECONOMIC UPDATED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY PLAN.

AND IT WILL MOVE THROUGH THE TEN YEAR PLAN.

AS WE GET AND MOVE FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.

SO I WILL PAUSE RIGHT THERE TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE TIME FRAME THE ACTION ITEMS THEMSELVES.

THE ENTITY HERE LEADING THE ACTION ITEMS AND ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE THE COST INCLUDED. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE TOTAL COST.

I JUST SAT HERE AND ADDED IT ALL UP.

I THINK IT'S AROUND $361,150.

SO UNLESS I MISSED A TOTAL, I SEEN TOTAL BY MONTH, BUT NOT THE OVERALL TOTAL.

AND I MEAN, ARE THESE ITEMS ALREADY BUDGETED? I MEAN, A LOT OF THIS IS STAFF TIME.

YES, MA'AM. THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, LIKE, IS THIS ALREADY BUDGETED.

YES, MA'AM. IS THIS, I MEAN, BECAUSE BEFORE WE'RE TOLD IT WOULD BE A BUDGET IMPACT. SO IF IT'S ALREADY BUDGETED, THEN THAT MEANS IT'S IN THE BUDGET AND A PART OF THE PROPOSED FY 26, I'M ASSUMING.

BUT THE TOTAL WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YES, MA'AM. SO THE THE THE REDUNDANT THE REDUNDANT ACTIONS ARE BUDGETED.

AND IN 2025 MOST OF ALL OF THE THE NEW ITEMS, 22, 20, 25 AND 26 ARE BUDGETED FOR.

YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE AS YOU GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHER MONTHS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE THERE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT BUDGETED JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT IF THEY KICK IN NEXT YEAR, 2026 BASED ON THE COST MEANING THAT IT WOULD BE OUTSOURCED OR WE WOULD DEAL WITH A CONSULTANT OR CONTRACTOR.

IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE COULD MOVE TO PUT THAT IN.

FISCAL 20 2026 BUDGET.

AS WE MOVE FROM ONE YEAR BUDGET YEAR TO THE NEXT.

AND ONE OF MY POINTS WAS THE SAME THE MAYOR RAISED.

IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THESE DON'T HAVE ANY BUDGET IMPACT, BECAUSE THEY'RE LITERALLY THINGS YOU ALREADY DO, THEIR STAFF TIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THEN JUST I THINK ASSUMING THAT THIS IS ADOPTED AND IT MOVES FORWARD, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD MONTHLY UPDATES.

SHE SAID YES SIR. THIS IS WHAT WE DID MATCH TO THE PROPOSED PLAN.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT? ALL RIGHT. MATT. 16 IS YOURS AS WELL.

YES, MA'AM. SO BEFORE YOU.

IS $47,000 FOR ONE PERSON? THIS IS FOR THE. YES, MA'AM, FOR THE URBAN AG.

COMPONENT. THESE THIS IS REGARDING THE URBAN ART PROGRAM AND THE VENDOR SEED PLANTING GROUP. THE FUNDING, IF APPROVED, WOULD COME FROM RFP 2025, 1880 FOR THE URBAN AGRICULTURE CONSULTING SERVICES AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 247 FROM

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FUNDING SOURCE. NUMBER 107 75.

25 12.12 ZERO NINE. AND WE DO HAVE THAT BUDGETED.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GOT TO PAY A CONSULTANT THE PRICE OF ABOUT THREE STAFF PEOPLE. SO MISS JESSIE, WHEN WE.

THE CONSULTING FEE IS $247,000.

BEFORE ABOUT THREE STAFF PEOPLE.

YEAH. BUT BEFORE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MISS JESSIE, WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE 65,000 TO 70,000.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GOT THE 200 AND ALMOST $300,000 FOR A CONSULTANT.

LIKE, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL PUT IN THE SCOPE.

BUT THIS WAS NEVER A PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR THIS POSITION, MISS JESSIE. MADAM MAYOR THE.

THIS IS NOT FOR A SINGLE POSITION.

YOU ALL RECALL THAT WE PROVIDED A COUPLE OF CHOICES.

ONE WOULD BE TO HIRE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD GET US STARTED.

THAT INDIVIDUAL THEN WOULD SEEK GRANTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND START TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE URBAN AG PLAN.

WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND IT REALLY KIND OF WENT FROM HAVING JUST AN INDIVIDUAL TO HAVING A PLAN, A COMPANY CONSULTANT WHO WOULD PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, MORE RESOURCES TO DIG DEEPER INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I THINK MACEIO CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SCOPE.

YEAH, BUT THE DISCUSSION WITH THIS COUNCIL ABOUT FUNDING AND STAFFING WAS WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN EMPLOYEE OR A CONSULTANT WITHIN A RANGE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WENT OVER $77,000.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU ALL PUT OUT, BUT THAT IS CLEARLY BEYOND THE DISCUSSION OF PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, DISCUSSIONS OF THIS COUNCIL.

SO NO ONE EVER TALKED ABOUT $247,000, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE STAFF IN THE OFFICE OF EQUITY, INCLUSION AND EMPOWERMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A PLAN THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND WE RECEIVE FUNDING, WERE SELECTED AND RECEIVED FUNDING TO GET THAT DONE.

THAT WASN'T A BUDGET IMPACT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU ALL COULD HAVE PUT TO MAKE A PROPOSAL COME TO $247,000 AND BRING IT TO US FOR APPROVAL. LIKE, MAYBE I'M THE MAYBE.

I DON'T RECALL PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, BUT THIS IS, LIKE RIDICULOUSLY HIGH.

AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO FOR $247,000? THAT HAS NEVER BEEN WHAT'S BEEN CONTEMPLATED.

THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE VERSUS A CONSULTANT. THE CONSULTANT WAS ACTUALLY TO SAVE MONEY FROM THE EMPLOYEE PERSPECTIVE, FROM BENEFITS. AND HOW MUCH COULD WE AFFORD? WE NEVER TALKED ABOUT OVER ALMOST A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS FOR A CONSULTANT.

AND HOW MANY YEARS IS THIS? LIKE MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD CALL SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, WAS DISCUSSED WAS WHETHER WE WOULD LOOK AT SETTING UP A DEPARTMENT OR A DIVISION WITHIN AN APARTMENT DEPARTMENT OR WITH AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES FOR A YEAR.

THERE WERE SOME GRANT FUNDS THAT WERE LEFT OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS GRANT THAT WAS ABOUT TO EXPIRE. AND WE PUT OUT A SOLICITATION, GOT THE RESULTS, AND WHAT WE GOT BACK WAS, WAS LIKE A MID LEVEL RANGE.

YEAH. SO WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT SETTING UP A DEPARTMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING A PART OF THE OFFICE OF EQUITY, INCLUSION, EMPOWERMENT AND ONE OF THE POSITIONS THERE AND FUNDING THAT WAS THERE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS GOING TO BE SALARY

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PLUS BENEFITS OR WE DO A CONSULTANT TO POTENTIALLY SAVE MONEY.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE PROPOSALS, BUT THIS IS THIS IS ALMOST UNCONSCIONABLE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MADAM MAYOR.

I THINK PART OF OUR ISSUE WITH THE FIRST OF ABOUT THIS, THIS POSITION WAS CREATED FROM GRANT FUNDING.

AND WHEN THAT GRANT FUNDING RAN OUT, THEN THERE WAS A ASK FROM THE PERSON WHO PROVIDED THE SERVICES FROM THE GRANT THAT WE CONSIDERED MAKING AN EMPLOYEE POSITION.

FROM THAT CONVERSATION, WE WANT TO CONSIDER IT, BUT WE WANT TO. WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS WE OUR CONCERNS.

AND I KNOW MY CONCERN IS WHAT WILL THIS PERSON BE DOING FOR A FULL TIME SALARY? IT'S OUR THOUGHT THAT MAYBE AS A CONSULTANT AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT HE CAN DO ALSO. SO WE'RE GOING FROM SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, MAYBE A PART TIME CONSULTANT, TO COME HELP US WITH THE AGRICULTURE TO A $200,000 PLUS. THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO GET CHEAPER, NOT MORE EXPENSIVE.

SO I HAVE TO CONCUR WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

THIS IS DEFINITELY THE WRONG DIRECTION.

WELL THE PROPOSAL OF DELIVERABLES WHICH DEALS WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH COMMUNITY GARDENS WORKING WITH OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM WORKING WITH THE BOARD IMPLEMENTING CONTINUOUS BUCKET GARDEN INITIATIVES.

THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT.

BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY COUNCIL AND MAYOR REVISIT THIS WITHOUT A DOUBT.

THE COUNCIL MEMBER, BUTLER, RAISED THE POINT WHEN WE INITIALLY GOT THE GRANT. THE POSITION THAT WAS FUNDED BY THAT GRANT WASN'T $247,000.

RIGHT. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM.

A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION.

WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE EMPLOYEE AND BENEFITS OR CONSULTING, WHERE YOU CAN PROBABLY PAY PEOPLE MORE CONSULTING, USE THAT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, LIKE 75,000, I DON'T KNOW.

I FEEL LIKE IT WAS 70 SOMETHING AND NOT PAY BENEFITS LIKE 75,000 IF WE DID 75,000 EMPLOYEE, WE'D HAVE TO STACK BENEFITS ON TOP OF THAT.

WE DID 75,000. AS A CONSULTANT, THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOMEONE MORE EXPERIENCED AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE SOME LOVE.

WE'VE NEVER, EVER GIVEN ANY SUGGESTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO OVER $75,000.

AND WE WILL REVISIT, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THIS BACK BEFORE YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THIS WILL.

I'M NOT SURE HOW TO COME BACK, BUT IT WON'T MOVE FORWARD TO MONDAY'S AGENDA.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL. LET ME MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CONSENSUS.

Y'ALL WANT THIS ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY? YEAH, BUT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO A WHOLE NOTHER SOLICITATION. YOU CAN'T GO FROM QUARTER MILLION TO THEN, BUT. BUT I THINK THERE'S A DESIRE TO COUNCIL MEMBER SAID.

WE COULD BE VOTED DOWN AND BE DONE WITH IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE IT RIGHT. THERE'S A DESIRE TO PROVIDE SOME SUPPORT AROUND IT.

SO IF WE VOTED DOWN, THE PUBLIC MAY MISCONSTRUE THAT AS TO NOT SUPPORTING THIS WORK WHEN IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT IS THE AMOUNT.

OKAY. ALRIGHTY. NEXT ITEM.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

MISTER. ROGERS. NOW WE WILL MOVE TO MAYOR.

JUST ONE MOMENT OF CLARITY.

WHAT DID YOU DECIDE TO DO WITH THE ITEM? DO YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK WITH IT OR.

NO? OKAY. I WASN'T SURE.

I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT? MISTER ROGERS, THERE'S NO SUPPORT FOR $247,000.

SO, LIKE, IF THERE WAS THE.

WE STILL WANT THE CONVERSATION TO CONTINUE, OKAY.

ABOUT HOW WE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE OR A CONSULTANT WITHIN THE RANGE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. THAT BECOMES CHALLENGING.

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BUT YEAH, NOT NOT THIS ONE.

VERY GOOD. THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD VOTE IT DOWN.

AND MY RESPONSE IS THAT IF WE VOTED DOWN, THAT MIGHT INDICATE THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE. WHEN I THINK THERE'S A UNANIMOUS SUPPORT THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, FUNDING FOR AN EMPLOYEE OR STAFF OR CONSULTANT, BUT JUST NOT THIS. AND I THINK, MISS JESSIE, DID YOU ALL TELL US BEFORE THAT YOU ALL HAD DECIDED TO GO TO CONSULTING ROUTE INSTEAD OF THE EMPLOYEE ROUTE? BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HOW WE GOT TO THE SOLICITATION? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SO THEN IT'S CONSULTING WITHIN A REASONABLE CONSULTING RANGE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE SAID PREVIOUSLY, 75,000.

BUT Y'ALL CAN TAKE THE MINUTES ON THAT ONE. OH.

MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM ATLANTA HERE. I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THESE OTHER ITEMS QUICKLY SO WE CAN HAVE BUDGET AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AND PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS TALK ABOUT WELCOME OUR ROADS. SO I ACTUALLY GO TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

I'M SORRY. BECAUSE WE'LL END WITH YOU AND THEN GO TO LEGAL AND BUDGET.

WATER, SEWER. WE HAD A QUESTION ON 28, 29 AND 30.

[IV.28. Council Review and Approval of Utilizing RFQ 2024-1857 Annual On-Call Water and Sewer Construction Services, for Fulton County Community Development Block Grant Funding to Procure Vendor GS Construction Inc. for the Installation of a New Water Line at W. Cleveland Ave, from Church St to Cheney St for $168,900.00. The City of East Point Received $120,000.00 from the Fulton County Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) Program to Assist in Upgrading Undersized Water Mains to Increase Water Pressure for Water Distribution and to Ensure Water Pressure is Up to Firefighting Activities. the City’s Agreement to Participate in the CDBG Program was Adopted by Mayor and Council on January 21, 2025.]

MISS ECHEVARRIA, WHO HAD A QUESTION ON 28.

I THINK IT WAS MAYBE THE AMOUNT.

SO IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A QUICK SNAPSHOT.

YEAH. 28, 29 AND 30. OKAY.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

NUMBER 28 IS COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF UTILIZING THE RFQ 2024 AND 1857 ANNUAL ON CALL SERVICE PROVIDER FOR THE FULTON COUNTY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING, WHICH IS GHS CONSTRUCTION.

SO IN JANUARY 21ST OF THIS YEAR MAYOR AND COUNCIL WAS WAS IN RECEIPT OF $120,000 G AS CONSTRUCTION WILL CONSTRUCT THE WATER MAIN FOR A TOTAL OF $168,900.

AND THE OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSES MINUS THE GRANT FOR THE CITY IS 48,000 $900.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER FREELAND.

JUST CURIOUS, DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE REASON THAT PARKING LOT AND STREET COLLAPSE SO FREQUENTLY? NO, NO, NO, THE CHURCH AT CHENEY AND WEST CLEVELAND.

NO NO, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT? OKAY.

[IV.29. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Raftelis Financial Consultant, for W&S Department, from the RFP 2025-1886 Water & Wastewater Cost of Service/ Rate Study. NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $94,461.00 AND FUNDING SOURCE: CIP]

COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON SELECTING RAFAEL'S FINANCIAL CONSULTANT FOR THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT.

WATER. WASTEWATER. COST OF SERVICE STUDY AND RATE STUDY FROM RFP 2025 1886.

IN THE AMOUNT OF $94,461.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION WAS ON THIS ONE.

WAS THERE A QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER? IT'S A RATE STUDY. YES.

FOR WATER AND SEWER. OKAY.

WHEN WAS THE LAST ONE THAT WE HAD? 2016. OKAY. SO NINE YEARS AGO.

YES. OKAY. AND WAS THIS COMPANY THE COMPANY THAT DID IT OR WAS IT A DIFFERENT COMPANY? NO. THIS WAS NOT THE COMPANY THAT DID IT.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, LAST TIME WE COMBINED EVERYTHING.

AND BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCES AND DISTINCTION BETWEEN WATER AND ELECTRIC AND THE EXPERTISE, WE OPTED TO DEFINITELY SEPARATE IT THIS TIME AROUND.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE OPTIONAL YEAR TERM FOR

[IV.30. Council Discussion and Possible Action of the Optional One (1) Year Contract Renewal for ITB 2023-1829 Annual Supply of Water Treatment Plant Chemicals for Drinking Water Compliance. Not to Exceed $500,000. East Point Water Treatment Plant Purchase Chemicals (Depending on the Treatment Process and Demand) on a Monthly Basis for the Treatment of Drinking Water that is Supplied to the City through the Distribution System. the Chemicals Are Used for the Treatment Process and to Disinfect Our Raw Water]

OUR CONTRACT FOR OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

CHEMICALS FROM ITB 2023 1829.

IN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $500,000.

AND THIS IS USED FOR ALL OF THE CHEMICALS THAT WE TREAT TO DISINFECT THE WATER SUPPLY FROM MAKE IT DRINKABLE TO RESIDENTS.

I'M SORRY. OH, THAT'S AN INVITATION TO BID.

IS THIS A PIGGYBACK? KNOW THIS IS AN ACTUAL ACTIVITY THAT WE PUT OUT, AND THIS IS THE OPTIONAL YEAR WHERE WE HAVE THREE, THREE OPTIONAL YEAR TERMS. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE LAST OPTION.

YES. ANY QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS TO CONSENT? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SORRY.

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OH. I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER I SAID LOOK.

COUNCIL MEMBER. FREELAND. SO JUST THE 500,000 THAT'LL BUY CHEMICALS.

FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? OH, FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

SO, YEAH, SINCE WE'RE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WE THE OPTIONAL YEAR TERMS COINCIDE TO THE FISCAL YEAR. SO OUR EXISTING CHEMICALS CONTRACT EXPIRES JUNE 30TH.

AND SO THIS THOSE PURCHASE ORDERS.

GOT IT. FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED THAT.

THANK YOU. YES. AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I HAD ASKED A QUESTION REGARDING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE USED COMPANIES BEFORE IN EAST POINT TO PROVIDE US CHEMICALS FOR TREATING OUR WATER.

AND THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY IN EASTPOINT WAS NOT GOOD WITH THE CLEAN WATER ACT.

IS DO YOU IS THIS COMPANY IN EASTPOINTE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO THERE ARE SEVERAL. BRANT HAS I WANT TO SAY, KIM TRADE IS ONE, AND I'M MISSING ANOTHER ONE.

AND SO IT GOES BY PRICE.

THAT'S HOW WE DECIDE TO BID, BECAUSE ALL OF THE SOME CHEMICALS ARE NOT PROVIDED BY CERTAIN COMPANIES, AND SOME ARE.

BUT THE WAY THE BID GOES OUT, IT'S THE LOWEST PRICE AND COST.

SO I KNOW FROM BRANT TAG, WE GET OUR SODIUM HYPOCHLORITE, WHICH IS FOR DISINFECTION, AND OUR HYDROPHILIC ACID IS FOR FLUORIDE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A LOCAL COMPANY.

BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. NOT SO MUCH.

OKAY. I DID WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ABOUT NOT USING.

MAYBE THIS WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

FORGIVE ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAD A THERE WAS A DISCUSSION REGARDING NOT USING EAST POINT COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN BAD ENVIRONMENTALLY.

I THINK THE WAY THE PROCESS IS, I DON'T I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE PUT A BID OUT.

I DON'T THINK WE PUT ANY TYPE OF CRITERIA IN THERE CONCERNING THAT BECAUSE WE JUST GO BY THE LOWEST PRICE, BUT ALSO IN SOME INSTANCES, PUT IT LIKE THIS. SOME OF THE CHEMICALS THAT WE GET, THEY COME BY TRAIN. I WOULD SAY NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A TORNADO AND THAT HAS HAPPENED, WE COULD NOT GET CHEMICALS.

SO WE HAD TO RESORT TO USING OTHER CHEMICALS AND ALTERING THE TREATMENT PROCESS WITH 24 TO 48 HOUR NOTICE. SO I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, WHETHER IT'S LOCAL OR FARTHER AWAY IN AN EMERGENCY, OR IF THERE'S A TORNADO OR SOME TYPE OF A NATURAL EVENT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

CAN WE GET THOSE CHEMICALS IN PLAY? SO I WOULD SAY WHEN WE DO THESE BIDS, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.

ARE WE GETTING THEM BY TANKER TRUCK? ARE WE GETTING THEM DELIVERED BY TRAIN? THE FARTHER AWAY. IT COMPLICATES OUR ABILITY TO TREAT WATER.

AND WE DON'T HAVE THE STORAGE CAPACITY AT THE PLANT, NOR DO WE STORE A LOT OF CHEMICALS FOR, YOU KNOW REASONS FOR HAZARDOUS WEATHER.

SOMETHING GETS CRACKED OR WE DON'T HAVE THE TANKERS IN PLACE FOR IT.

SO IT'S SO MANY FACTORS THAT GOES INTO WHERE WE GET OUR CHEMICALS AND WHY.

BUT THE MAIN COMPONENT WE PUT OUT FOR A BIT IS PRICE.

UNLESS WE FEEL THAT IT'S TOO FAR TO BE DELIVERED TO EASTPOINT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC WORKS.

[IV.21. Council Review and Approval of the Vendor and Agreement for Upgrades to the City Annex Kitchen & Auditorium. Selected Vendor JOC Construction, LLC from State Contract # GAST03-040820-LRI. Funding was Approved in the FY25 CIP for $200,000.00. Phase #1 Cost of the Upgrade Project is $215,487.12. Funding of the $15,487.12 Balance from Savings from FY25 CIP Machinery.]

YOU HAVE. ITEM NUMBER 21.

$215,000 UPGRADE TO THE KITCHEN.

ANNEX. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS ITEM WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU IS A ITEM THAT WE HAVE AS ONE OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. WHICH WAS FUNDED FOR $300,000.

WE WENT TO OUR EXCUSE ME FOR 200,000.

WE WENT TO STATE CONTRACT, AND THE VENDOR CAME OUT AND GAVE US THIS BID.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE THIS IS PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO IN AND PULL OUT THE KITCHEN FLOOR.

IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THAT, OF COURSE, AT THE ANNEX KITCHEN, THE KITCHEN AND THE KITCHEN.

SO YOU'RE DOING TECHNOLOGY TWO OR SOMETHING? YEAH.

YOU'RE DOING TECHNOLOGY ENHANCEMENTS OR SOMETHING.

WE'RE TAKING OUT ALL THAT OLD FLOORING IN THERE, REMODELING IT PUTTING IN NEW SINKS.

AND THIS WORK IN THIS FIRST PHASE IS JUST BASICALLY PULLING OUT ALL THE OLD PIPES IN THE FLOORING, INSIDE THE KITCHEN AND INSIDE THE AUDITORIUM.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO PHASES OF REPLACING THE WE'RE NOT MAKING IT AS A KITCHEN WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND FRYING ANYTHING BUT A WARMING STATION TYPE SITUATION WITH A FREEZER WITH A WARMING OVEN, AND THEN ALSO NEW SINKS DISHWASHING RESOURCES THERE. AND WITH THE AUDITORIUM, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT THE FLOOR AND WE'RE

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GOING TO DROP THE CEILING ON THAT.

AND THEN IN OUR LAST PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WE THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO GO ON ABOUT WORKING INTO ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND AN AREA WHERE THE MEN AND WOMEN'S MEN AND WOMEN'S BATHROOMS ARE SO WE CAN INCREASE MORE SPACE FOR THE WOMEN'S BATHROOM AND THEN MOVE THE MEN'S BATHROOM OVER A LITTLE BIT. SO THOSE ARE THESE ARE THE FIRST PHASES OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE ANNEX REMODELING. SO THE BATHROOM INCLUDING THE 215,000 THAT'S.

NO, MA'AM. IT'S NOT INCLUDING THIS. HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO BE.

THAT'S WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT YET. THAT'S OUR NEXT PHASE. AND THIS PROJECT, IF IT'S APPROVED BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS PROJECT, WE WILL GET TO WITH THE VENDOR.

AND WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE STARTED IT WITHIN 30, 45 DAYS.

AND AS FAR AS THAT PROJECT, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.

JUST THE WHOLE EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING GETTING DONE AND THE DIFFERENT PHASES.

THIS FIRST PHASE SHOULDN'T TAKE NONE. OH, OKAY.

YES, MA'AM. OH YES, MA'AM.

I GOT SO THE. THIS UPGRADE WON'T TAKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM.

NO, MA'AM. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY. SIX MONTHS. ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT? YES, MA'AM. THE NEXT ONE IS THESE TWO $5 MILLION.

[Items IV.23. & IV.24.]

IT'S 23 AND 24 FOR REPAVING OR PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE.

GOOD EVENING. YES. THESE ARE TWO INVITATIONS TO BIDS WE PUT OUT FOR OUR GROUP A AND GROUP B RESURFACING PROJECTS.

WE DID THIS AS, LIKE, A UNIT PRICE CONTRACT.

WE HAD THE CONTRACTORS BID ON SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS FOR RESURFACING CURB AND GUTTER DRAINAGE, ETC.. WE GAVE THEM A LIST OF STREETS AND EVERYTHING.

SO WE DID A NOT TO EXCEED SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS AS WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THE WORK PLAN.

SO THEY DIDN'T BID ON A TOTAL AMOUNT.

THEY BID ON SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS. AND WE DEVELOPED THE SCOPE OF WORK.

AS WE GET THE CONTRACT UNDERWAY.

SO WE'RE LIMITED TO $5 MILLION SO THAT TO KEEP THE SCOPE OF THE WORK WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT. WITHOUT FURTHER APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL.

AND THESE ARE THESE ARE WE SUBMITTED TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ELISSA STREET LAST MONTH.

SO THESE THOSE STREETS WILL START PAVING IN NEXT MONTH, IN JULY. THESE ARE THE NEXT PHASES OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE OFF OUR OUR SPARKS PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED.

ONCE WE SEND THOSE OUT IT AND GET THE CONTRACTOR ON BOARD AND NOTICE TO PROCEED WITHIN 30 DAYS. AND THEN WE'LL START THOSE PROJECTS SOMETIME AROUND SEPTEMBER OR AUGUST.

THIS IS $5 MILLION. OVER WHAT TIME PERIOD? A YEAR OR TWO YEARS. SO THIS WAS LIMITED TO 5 MILLION ANNUALLY, A MAXIMUM OF 5 MILLION FOR EACH CONTRACT FOR PAVING.

I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER, AND I GOT SOME MORE QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER. YES. THANK YOU.

CAN YOU SHARE WITH US THE THE ROADS THAT WILL BE REPAVED WITH THIS MONEY? MY DRIVE IS IN. THE SHOULD BE IN THE PACKET.

YES. IT IS. DO YOU SEE ANY? YEAH. YOU CAN SEE THE.

THERE AND THERE SOME LEGEND.

MEDICAL.

IS THIS JUST THE. MONEY IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE? YOU'LL SEE THE ROLES THAT ARE LISTED THAT ARE PART OF THIS GROUP A,

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AND THEN WE HAVE THE GROUP B WOULD BE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM.

AND YOU'LL SEE MAYOR ON THE EACH ONE OF THE STREETS, WE HAVE THE LENGTH OF MILES AND THE WARDS AT THEIR END, AND THEN THE SOME ESTIMATE A SUM OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS GROUP B OKAY.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU.

MEADOWLARK AND BEEN HERE.

THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT BEING HEALED.

I THINK Y'ALL START DOING SIDEWALKS AND IT'S.

I GUESS IT STOPPED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STOPPED OR WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO. YES, RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF BENTON, I DID AT PLANTATION FORK.

YEAH, BECAUSE THEY SAID SOME.

SO THERE WAS A ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A GAS LINE CONFLICT THERE THAT WE HAD THERE.

AGL HAD TO LOWER THE GAS LINES.

AND ALSO NOW COMCAST HAD TO MOVE A GUY WIRE.

THAT'S IN THE WAY WE HAD TO BUILD A WALL THERE. SO THEY SHOULD BE MOVING THE WIRE SOON AND WE CAN FINISH THAT PORTION OF SIDEWALK.

SO SO IT WAS BECAUSE OF GAS LINE.

AND THEN THEY GOT TO BUILD A WALL.

YES. OKAY. I LET THEM KNOW.

AND WHAT ELSE DID I SAY? I SAID BEAN HILL. OH. AND INSIDE MEADOWLARK.

CAVE. WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? STREETS IN IN, LIKE MEADOWLARK LANE.

MEADOWLARK DRIVE WITHIN MEADOWLARK.

I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN TALKING.

THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

FOR THE STREETS, ROADS TO BE PAID AND ANY STREET COMMON DEVICE AS YOU ENTER INTO THE SUBDIVISION. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT CURVE RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS BLIND SIDE THEN.

AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH STREET.

SOME CAR CAME DOWN AND HIT SOMEONE AND THEY PASSED AWAY.

SO I THINK IT'S ANOTHER LONG DRIVE.

OKAY. YEAH. SO WE DO. WE DO HAVE THAT ON OUR LIST OF PLACES TO LOOK AT FOR TRAFFIC IDEAS FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR OR SO.

OKAY. I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING. SO AND WHAT ABOUT ANY STREET PAVING? I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT SAID ON THIS LIST WE CAN LOOK MAYBE LIKE NEXT GO AROUND.

SO THEY'VE BEEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

THEY'VE BEEN THE. I'LL SAY THE ONE THING ABOUT THIS CONTRACT IS THAT WE PUT IT OUT TO BE LIKE A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT.

SO ONCE WE GET THROUGH THESE INITIAL LIST OF STREETS, WE HAD THE OPTION TO RENEW IT TO GO TO OUR NEXT LIST OF.

SO HERE'S THE THING. I REMEMBER MEADOWLARK WAS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN WE FIRST DID THE T SPLASH TO SUBMIT THE LIST TO HAVE THEIR STREETS PAVED RIGHT ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE THEY DID IT AS BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOODS DID IT AS A, AS A GROUP, AND THEY WERE ONE OF THE ONES TO ALSO SUBMIT THEIR STREETS AS A GROUP TO BE PAID.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY, WAITING FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR QUITE SOME TIME ABOUT THEIR ROLES BEING PAID.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.

TO GO AROUND WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ONES WHO SUBMITTED WHEN WE FIRST GOT THEIR FIRST SPLASH, REQUESTING TO HAVE THEIR ROLES PAID.

NOW, MY OTHER QUESTION IS THIS.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND, ONCE YOU DO BEN HILL, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE OTHER END OF THE LOAD AS WELL. CORRECT.

SO THAT'S ON THE LIST.

YES. OKAY. BUT GOING BACK TO MEADOWLARK.

YEAH. THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THERE.

SO I THINK THE FIRST SPLASH WE DID MEADOWLARK IN ROLLING BROOK, A COUPLE OF STREETS IN THAT AREA IN THE FIRST TWO SPOTS, BUT THERE ARE SOME ONES LEFT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, TO YOUR POINT THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS. OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

YES. THANK YOU. TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

ONE, COULD YOU PROVIDE US WITH THESE LISTS FOR GROUPS A AND GROUP B? THEY THESE QUESTIONS ARE OFTEN COMING UP IN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS.

I KNOW THAT GROUP B SEEMS TO BE MOSTLY WARD B AND WARD B, I KNOW THE RESIDENTS IN COLONIAL HILLS HAVE BEEN ASKING.

I DON'T THINK I SEE ANY COLONIAL HILL STREET ON HERE.

IS ARE THEY ON A DIFFERENT LIST OR.

SO WE DID SUBMIT SOME STREETS IN COLONIAL FOR OUR L.

MEG SAID THAT A L A LOCAL MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENT GRANT.

I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR'S.

WE DID. WE SUBMITTED OUR TWO STREETS IN COLONIAL HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE FUNDING YET TO DO THE RESURFACING.

SO IT WAS NOON, AND I THINK NOT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN NICE.

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A COUPLE OF STREETS IN THE AREA FOR OUR LOCAL MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENT GRANT. OKAY, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING.

NO, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE FUNDING YET. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. YES. IF YOU COULD SEND THOSE THE GROUPS A AND B.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU.

SO AND THIS IS MY QUESTION OF GOING TO 23 AND 24.

YOU ALL WANT US TO APPROVE A $5 MILLION CONTRACT ANNUALLY WITHOUT FURTHER ACTION FROM COUNCIL, LIKE $5 MILLION TO ONE VENDOR EVERY YEAR? FOR HOW LONG? THIS WAS TWO YEARS WITHOUT RENEWAL OPTION.

$5 MILLION FOR ONE VENT.

WELL, ACTUALLY, TO EACH VENEGAS.

5 MILLION. DID YOU ALL CONSIDER DOING A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION TO PRE-QUALIFY? LIKE A LIST OF VENDORS WHERE THIS MONEY COULD MEET $5 MILLION TO ONE VENDOR FOR STREET PAPER? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT JUST SOUNDS LIKE A LOT.

AND AN ANNUAL COMMITMENT WITHOUT FURTHER ACTION FOR COUNCIL ON A VENDOR FOR THE WHAT? WHAT IF THE SERVICE IS AWFUL? LIKE, WHAT IF IT'S DONE AND IT'S NOT AWFUL? BUT WE DECIDE LIKE WE LIKE A DIFFERENT QUALITY.

LIKE, HOW ARE WE LOCKING OURSELVES INTO BASICALLY $10 MILLION, $20 MILLION, $10 MILLION FOR 23 AND $10 MILLION FOR 24.

WITHOUT FURTHER ACTION, THE COUNCIL.

SO WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION IN OUR CONTRACTS TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT IF THE WORKMANSHIP IS NOT UP TO PAR. SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE FOR THE VENDOR TO FULLY EXECUTE IF WE'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE SUPPORT, THE WORK. SO WE ALWAYS HAVE THOSE OPTIONS, THE $5 MILLION. SO WHAT WHAT ARE WE DOING IS THAT JUST LIKE WE PRESENTED THESE TREATS, WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME MORE STREETS PRESENT TO YOU. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE ONCE WE GET THIS APPROVED AND WE JUST NEVER COME BACK.

SO ONCE WE GET THE OTHER STREETS DESIGN THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT TO YOU, WE'LL BE COMING BACK. THAT'LL BE PART OF THAT 5 MILLION.

YEAH, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME VENDOR. YEAH. LIKE, IT'S. AND THAT'S NOT CHANGING.

AND AND IF YOU COULD SCROLL TO GROUP B BECAUSE THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A B AND A COUPLE STREETS AND C AND COUPLE STREETS AND D IF YOU CAN GO UP.

YEAH. WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY GOT ANOTHER VENDOR FOR, FOR D THAT WE'RE DOING.

SO I'M NOT SURE. NOT ON THIS NOT IN THIS GROUP SAID THIS IS GROUP B.

SO WHERE IS GROUP A BECAUSE.

YEAH. SO WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE THREE STREETS IN GROUP IN AND WARD D FOR TWO GROUPS THERE'S NONE ON THIS FIRST PAGE.

YEAH. AND THERE'S LIKE 2 OR 3 ON GROUP B AND WE'RE TALKING FIVE, $10 MILLION. LIKE HOW DID HOW DO WE COME UP WITH A OVERSATURATION OF A AND B BEING A FEW MORE I SEE, AND A COUPLE INDEED. FOR THESE FIRST INITIAL GROUPS.

SO THE WE HAD THREE CONTRACTS THAT WE PUT OUT.

AND THE C WAS THE ONE THAT WE APPROVED LAST MONTH, WHICH WAS PRIMARILY OR INDEED THAT WE WERE DOING THE HIDING PLACE ASPHALT REJUVENATION.

SO WE HAVE A MIX OF ALL THE WARDS REPRESENTED OVER THE THREE CONTRACTS.

THESE ARE JUST THE FINAL TWO THAT WE'RE APPROVING.

SO THE OTHER ONE FOR A GROUP.

SO GROUP C CAME IN FOR A AND B.

YES. WE DIDN'T HAVE WE HADN'T REVIEWED THESE YET.

WE WEREN'T READY TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL YET.

BUT THAT ONE WAS. SO WE PRESENTED IT LAST MONTH AT $5 MILLION AS WELL.

IT WAS LIKE FOR ME. SO THAT'S $19 MILLION ANNUALLY UP TO NOT TO EXCEED, BUT IT'S UP TO 19 MILLION ANNUALLY.

WHAT'S THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THESE TS BLIND SPOTS.

SO THE FUNDING WAS T SPLICE OR ANY OF OUR CAPITAL MONEY THAT WE CAN ADD TO IT OR.

SO SO WE THESE ARE ALL T SPLICE LISTS.

THIS IN THIS LIST. BUT THE FUNDING WAS SPECIFIC IN THE CONTRACT.

CAN YOU SEND US A, B AND C? COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS MENTIONED THESE TWO. I'M ASSUMING HE'S ALSO TALKING ABOUT C AS WELL.

LIKE THE COMPLETE LIST.

MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH A TWO YEAR CONTRACT WITH OPTIONS OF RENEWAL WITHOUT COMING TO COUNCIL? NO.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU ALL GOT TO WORK ON THE CONTRACTS AND STUFF, BUT THAT'S NOT ONE THAT I WOULD APPROVE WITH TWO YEAR, IT WOULD NEED TO BE A ONE YEAR WITH AN OPTION TO AUTOMATICALLY RENEW FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR.

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OKAY, SO TONIGHT WE'RE JUST APPROVING VENDORS, AND THEN Y'ALL HAVE TO BRING THESE CONTRACTS BACK. THAT AFTER THEY GOT THROUGH LEGAL RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON 23 OR 24? OR OBJECTIONS TO CONSENT? OH. I'M SORRY. OH, REALLY? OH, NO. SORRY. I WAS JUST ABOUT WHERE THE THE AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD VOTED, I THINK IT WAS LIKE, 5 MILLION.

AND IT WAS. BUT IS THERE SEPARATED? SO I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH.

YEAH, I THINK IT WAS ALL. LAKESIDE PRESERVE, ALL OF SAVANNAH.

WALK UP INTO SIR HENRY STREET.

JUST FROM MY MEMORY, BUT.

YEAH. YEP. BOTH IN THIS A, B AND C COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND JUST TO MAKE SURE I REMEMBER BEING CORRECTLY ON YOUR POINT.

THIS WAS WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY.

THAT'S LIKE A LOWER IMPACT RESURFACING OR OR IS THAT DIFFERENT? THE FIRST ONE, GROUP C, WHICH WAS COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER WAS REFERRING TO. YES. YES. THAT'S THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WHERE YOU DON'T TEAR UP THE WHOLE STREET SORT OF THING. RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY. I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF PUBLIC.

OH, YOU GOT ONE? OH, YEAH. 25.

25. WHAT'S THE AMOUNT?

[IV.25. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Piggyback Contract, from Butts County, with Vendor Blackjack Paving for City Annex, Jefferson Park, and Milner Park Parking Lots, Not to Exceed $304,234.00 FUNDING SOURCE: CIP FY25 $300,000.00; Funding of the $4,234.00 Balance from Savings from FY25 CIP Machinery]

THIS DOESN'T HAVE AN AMOUNT.

IT JUST SAYS. ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE CONTRACT.

AND THAT'S I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT 26.

YOU GOT 25? YEAH, WE GOT 25.

25 IS 326. DOESN'T HAVE THE PRICE.

AND 25 IS ANOTHER ONE FUNDED BY A CAPITAL THAT WAS IN OUR CAPITAL PLAN FOR 300,000.

THAT WILL BE GOING INTO OUR PARKING LOTS FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTY.

JEFFERSON PARK MILNER PARK, PARKING LOT, PARKING LOTS AND THE ANNEX PARKING LOT. QUESTIONS? CONSENT. AND 26 IS THE ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE PRICE.

[IV.26. Council Discussion and Approval of the Optional One (1) Year Contract Renewal for 2022- 1790 On-Call Engineering Services for Transportation Projects.]

AND 26 IS A RENEWAL OF THE ON CALL ENGINEERING SERVICES.

FOR THAT WE USE FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

AND THE REASON THERE'S NOT A COST ON HERE DIRECTLY IS THAT IT'S MULTIPLE VENDORS, AND THEY THEY WERE PUT IN AS A RFQ.

AND SO WHEN WE CALL THOSE VENDORS OR SEND SOMETHING OUT TO THOSE VENDORS, THEY WOULD GIVE US THEIR HOURLY RATES OR THEIR RATES ON EVERYTHING.

RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S WHAT'S THE BUDGET.

WHAT'S THE AMOUNT BUDGETED FOR THIS SERVICE EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T GO TO ONE VENDOR.

AND. IT DOESN'T INDICATE A RFQ ON HERE.

IT SAYS NO IT DIDN'T. IT DID.

NO MA'AM. IT DID. OPTIONAL ONE YEAR CONTRACT RENEWAL FOR ON CALL SERVICES.

IT DOESN'T SAY REQUEST. THIS IS A CONTRACT.

NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN AMOUNT ON THERE. AND IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT RFQ ON THERE.

OKAY. HERE WE CAN ADD TO OUR RFQ NUMBER.

THIS IS THE EXISTING CONTRACT WE'VE USED FOR LAST TWO YEARS.

WE'RE TRYING TO RENEW THE THIRD YEAR OPTION.

RIGHT. AND I'M FAMILIAR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.

BUT YOU GENERALLY STILL HAVE A RANGE UP TO NOT NOT THE ONE VENDOR WOULDN'T GET IT.

BUT WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS WE STILL AT LEAST KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT IS, AMOUNT THAT IS BUDGETED FOR THIS.

WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU SO YOU ALL CAN ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA.

IF THAT'S ADDED TO THE AGENDA, IF THERE IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT? WITH THAT ADDED MADAM DEPUTY.

COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER.

OH, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS FROM BEFORE.

OKAY. IF YOU CAN ADD THE REFLECT FACT THAT IT'S AN RFQ AND THE AMOUNT, THE BUDGETED TOTAL, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

BUDGET PRESENTATION ITEM NINE.

[IV.11. Council Discussion and Possible Action of the Optional One (1) Year Contract Renewal for 2022-1797 Third Party Administration for Property & Casualty Insurance]

WELL, ACTUALLY, MISS JESSIE IS 11.

QUICK TO 11 AS THEY'RE COMING UP.

YES, MA'AM. MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I PROVIDED YOU INFORMATION.

BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR THE NEWARK CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THIS ITEM IS REQUESTING AN EXTENSION OF PROFESSIONAL THIRD PARTY PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE CLAIMS ADMINISTRATION.

FOR THE FIRST OF TWO OPTIONAL ONE YEAR FISCAL TERMS. THERE IS THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT CALL FOR A 3% INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S RATE.

AND THE ANNUAL FEE WOULD BE $46,350.

SO THE WAY THE CLAIMS ARE PROCESSED FOR THE CITY AND INDIVIDUAL WITH THE CLAIM SUBMITS IT SUBMITTED TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

CITY CLERK SENDS IT TO LEGAL AND LEGAL, DOES ITS REVIEW,

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AND IT GOES INTO THE CLAIM SYSTEM FOR THE DAVIES GROUP.

SO YOU SAID IT SHOULD BE ADMINISTRATION OF PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE CLAIMS. YES, MA'AM. YOU ALSO MENTIONED SOME AMOUNTS, AND THOSE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA ITEM. YES, MA'AM. SAID 3% INCREASE IN 40 SOMETHING THOUSAND $46,350.