[IV.15. Council Discussion and Possible Action on the 2025 - 2026 - Liability and Property & Casualty Insurance Renewals, from McGriff Insurance Services, in the Amount of $2,562,101.20 for the Period of October 1, 2025 to September 30, 2026 ]

COUNCIL DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON 2025 2026. LIABILITY AND PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE RENEWALS FROM MCGRIFF INSURANCE SERVICES. MR. JONES YES, THANK YOU MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, MISS JESSIE, COME UP AND INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT ON THIS MATTER. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE ARE COMING TO YOU TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE MARKETING RESULTS FOR THE LIABILITY AND PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE RENEWALS. YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS GENTLEMAN BEFORE, GREG SINGLETON. HE REPRESENTS OUR BROKER, MCGRIFF INSURANCE SERVICES, AND HE'S GOING TO GO OVER THE RESULTS OF THEIR MARKETING EFFORTS. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO GREG.

THANK YOU, MISS JESSIE. MADAM MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS. I WON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. I KNOW YOU GOT A BUSY WORK SESSION AHEAD OF YOU, SO IMMA KEEP IT BRIEF AND TO THE POINT AND AND I'LL GET STARTED. SO. WHAT WE DID AT IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST RENEWAL, WE WERE TRYING TO GET ALL OF THE EXPIRATION DATES FOR ALL YOUR POLICIES. WITH THE CITY LINED UP TO ONE EXPIRATION DATE, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH, WHICH IS NOW OCTOBER 1ST, TEN ONE. SO NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR FIRST CYCLE, HAVING EVERYTHING UP TO TEN ONE AND GOING ON TEN ONE GOING FORWARD. SO WITH THE

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FIRST LINE OF COVERAGE WE HAVE. OUR CYBER. LAST YEAR, 2024, 2025, YOU HAD A $81,031.60 PREMIUM FOR THAT YEAR. AND FOR THE RENEWAL, WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT DOWN TO 71,895 20. WE APPROACHED FIVE ADDITIONAL MARKETS. MOST OF WHICH DECLINED. BUT WE WERE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE RESULT AND GETTING IT DOWN AND RETAINING THE AMOUNT OF LIMITS AND AND THE RETENTION THAT WE HAD ON THE PREVIOUS POLICY WITH. OUR CRIME POLICY. WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE SAME LIMITS, BUT IT DID INCREASE. ON AVERAGE, IT WAS ABOUT 9.44%, AND THAT WAS A STANDARD MARKET INCREASE. THEY JUST WENT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS THAT WE HAVE CRIME COVERAGE WITH. BUT WE DID ALSO GO OUT. WE APPROACHED HANOVER, GREAT AMERICAN, CHUBB AND TRAVELERS. HANOVER WAS NOT COMPETITIVE. GREAT AMERICAN WAS NOT COMPETITIVE. CHUBB DECLINED IN. TRAVELERS ALSO DECLINED. MOVING ALONG TO GENERAL LIABILITY PACKAGE. LAST YEAR, IT WAS $1,101,516. THIS YEAR IT'S 1,000,318 803, AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE YOU HAD RETAINED. AMOUNTS REQUIRED FOR LOSSES THAT WERE ALREADY IN LITIGATION AND BEFORE SETTLEMENT. THOSE BLEW UP SIGNIFICANTLY ONCE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET SETTLED AND CLOSED.

SO WE HAD SEVERAL THAT WERE TRENDING, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR AT A LOWER SETTLEMENT. AND THIS YEAR WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE LOSSES, THEY WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL SETTLED AND CLOSED. WE COULD DISCUSS ALL OF THAT WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IF NEED BE. BUT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WE'VE TALKED THROUGH ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO THERE'S A STAND FOR AUTO PROPERTY, AUTO PHYSICAL DAMAGE. AUTO PHYSICAL DAMAGE. YEAH. AND THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THAT AS WELL. ADDED NEW VEHICLES TO THE FLEET. AND THAT WAS THE IT WAS ABOUT A 5% INCREASE BASED ON THAT. AND WE WENT OUT TO OTHER MARKETS TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME OTHER RATES. THERE WERE SEVERAL COMPANIES. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF COMPANIES THAT DO GENERAL LIABILITY PACKAGE PROGRAM. SO WE WENT OUT TO THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO, AND THEY COULDN'T MEET THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OR THE LIMITS. THEY WANTED TO GO UP HIGHER LIMITS. THEY WANTED TO GO UP HIGHER RETENTIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE FELT LIKE WITH THE INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR, WITH THE LIMITS GOING OVER TO SAFETY NATIONAL DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO TRY TO, TO, TO GET TO TO GO HIGHER. YOU KNOW. SO. WE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO STAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD THOSE SETTLEMENTS FROM THOSE OLD CLAIMS AND LOSSES THAT WERE SETTLED THIS YEAR, THE ACTUAL TRENDS AND LOSSES THIS YEAR WERE ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD. SO IT'S JUST THE THE STUFF THAT WAS FROM 2018, 2019, 2020 THAT WAS REALLY IMPACTING US AND REALLY SET THE LOSS TRENDS FOR THE CARRIERS AND MADE THEM A LITTLE BIT LEERY. BUT SAFETY WAS STILL, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO STICK WITH YOU GUYS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY HAD TO DO A 16% INCREASE. SO. IN THE EXCESS LIABILITY TRENDED WITH THAT'S THE $5 MILLION SET ON TOP OF THE THE LIMITS FROM SAFETY NATIONAL TO GET YOU TO THE 10 MILLION THAT YOU HAD. AND THEY JUST TRENDED WITH SAFETY. THEY DID A 17% INCREASE AS A RESULT OF JUST SETTING THE LAYER SITTING ABOVE SAFETY NATIONALS. EXCESS WORKER'S COMP IS ALSO WITH SAFETY NATIONAL AND. IT ACTUALLY WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. BUT THERE WAS ALSO A DECREASE IN PAYROLL. SO THAT WAS IMPACTED BY THAT. SO IT WAS 124 552 LAST YEAR. AND THIS YEAR IS ONE 2406 FOR. PROPERTY. SO WITH THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS A 52% INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE CITY'S PROPERTY. SO STARTING WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE HUGE INCREASE IN PRIMARILY IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE DID OUR

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THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF VALUE FOR EACH OF THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE BOARD. SO THAT INCREASE WAS ABOUT 52% OVERALL, WHICH RESULTED IN A. A 19% DIFFERENCE IN PREMIUM FROM LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR'S PREMIUM WAS 379,302. THIS YEAR IS 451 440 AND FOR PREMIUM FOR DOLLAR.

I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THAT HUGE INCREASE IN THE VALUES OF THE PROPERTY, THE THE 19% INCREASE IN PREMIUM IS IS WELL IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER CLIENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DOING SIGNIFICANTLY INCREMENTAL INCREASES IN THEIR PROPERTY VALUES AND TRYING TO GET MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO WRONG. YOU HAD TO REPLACE AN ENTIRE STRUCTURE. SO NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THAT OVERALL. AND YOU HAVE ACTIVE SHOOTER. THOSE POLICIES TYPICALLY FOLLOW THE PROPERTY POLICY. THERE IS A 6.89% INCREASE IN PREMIUM FOR THAT. AND THAT WAS BASED OFF JUST THE THE PROPERTY VALUES GOING UP. AND WE DID SHOP THOSE. WE WENT TO HISCOX, BEASLEY, AXA AND SEVERAL OTHER COMPANIES. AND YOU KNOW SOME DECLINED BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE. USUALLY WHEN WE SEND OUT MARKET INDICATIONS TO OTHER CARRIERS, WE ASK THEM TO GIVE US A NUMBER. AND IF THE NUMBER IS NOT WHERE THE CURRENT NUMBER IS WITH THE CARRIER THAT WE HAVE, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY TYPICALLY WILL SAY, WELL, WHAT DO YOU HAVE CURRENTLY? WE'LL TELL THEM WHERE WE ARE AND IF THEY CAN'T GET THERE, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DECLINE. AND THAT IS THE LAST ONE. SO ALL IN ALL, IT WAS A 16.3% INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR. AND SO THE TOTAL LAST YEAR WAS $2,203,184.60 THIS YEAR, 2,000,562 101 20. AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS. YES, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT LET'S GO BACK TO THE DECLINATIONS. ARE THEY MOSTLY DECLINING JUST BECAUSE OF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCOPE OR THEY'RE JUST NOT COMPETITIVE? OR THERE'S SOME OTHER REASONS FOR SOME OF THOSE DECLINATIONS. SO IN MOST CASES IT'S IT'S TERMS AND CONDITIONS WITHIN THE POLICY. IF WE'VE GOT SPECIFIC TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO MEET, THEN THEY'LL DECLINE. AND THEN IT COULD ALSO BE LIMITS AND RETENTION. SO IF WE HAVE A CERTAIN RETENTION, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A $10,000 RETENTION ON THE CYBER POLICY. IF THE CARRIER CAN'T MEET THAT RETENTION, THEY WANT TO INCREASE IT TO 50,000. IN ORDER FOR US TO GET A QUOTE FROM THEM OR TO GET, YOU KNOW. TO GET SOMEWHAT COMPETITIVE, THEY MAY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO 10,000. 10,000 IS TOO LOW FOR US. OUR THRESHOLD IS 25,000 OR 50,000. WELL, FOR FOR US, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO HAVE THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF BUY IN FROM A CLIENT, RIGHT? THAT'S THE RETENTION. SO WE TRY TO NEGOTIATE THE LOWEST BUY IN ON THE RETENTION SIDE OF THINGS. AND IF THE CARRIERS CAN'T MEET IT, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DECLINE. OTHER OTHER FACTORS COULD BE THAT THE LIMITS THAT THE CURRENT THE POLICY CURRENTLY CARRIES, IF IT'S 2 MILLION OR $3 MILLION LIMIT AND THEY WANT TO SELL IT FOR A 1 MILLION WITH A 2 MILLION AGGREGATE, THEY'LL DECLINE, YOU KNOW? SO USUALLY IT'S JUST HOW THE POLICY IS STRUCTURED AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN MEET THE STRUCTURE OF THE CURRENT SITUATION. AND IF THEY CAN'T, SOME OF THEM GRACEFULLY DECLINE. SOME OF THEM TRY TO NEGOTIATE AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN INCREASE THE LIMIT, MAYBE WE CAN GIVE YOU THIS OTHER LINE OF COVERAGE AND, AND ALL OF THOSE SITUATIONS. WE ASSESS IT, YOU KNOW, LINE FOR LINE TO SEE IF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS MEET UP WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, CITY IS NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. THAT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. OKAY.

AND THEN ARE THERE ANY ARE THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR THINGS THAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY THAT COULD HELP DRIVE DOWN SOME OF THESE PREMIUM COSTS? I KNOW THE INSURANCE IS JUST GOING UP ACROSS THE BOARD EVERYWHERE, BUT ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING OR THINGS THAT WE COULD DO BETTER TO HELP IN TERMS OF STABILIZING OR BRINGING SOME OF THESE PREMIUMS DOWN? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WELL, ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RISK HAS BEEN DOING REALLY WELL THIS YEAR IS WORKING REALLY CLOSELY

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WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND ROLLING OUT SAFETY INITIATIVES ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY FOOTPRINT. SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF TRAINING WITH POLICE AND FIRE THE PARKS AND REC, YOU KNOW, SANITATION, SCHEDULING TRAININGS WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ON SAFETY, DISTRACTED DRIVING, YOU KNOW, PROPER LIFTING. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD AT TRYING TO GET RESOURCES AND TOOLS THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY PROVIDES. THROUGH THEIR, YOU KNOW, THROUGH PURCHASING INSURANCE WITH THEM. AND THEY'VE BEEN USING IT AWFUL, AWFUL, AWFUL LOT. SO I'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE COMMUNICATION FROM RISK TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WHEN IT RESULTS TO TRAINING AND ROLLING OUT SAFETY INITIATIVES ACROSS THE BOARD. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE TOP? I THINK IT WAS CYBER. YEAH. SO JUST TO I THINK EXPAND ON COUNCILMAN ATKINS FIRST QUESTION, ALL OF THESE SAY DECLINED AND CONTROLS IS CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT IS THAT THEY DECLINED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WE HAD THE CONTROLS IN PLACE, THAT THERE WAS TOO MUCH RISK? WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL DO A THEY DO A TEST. THEY'LL TEST THE SYSTEM TO SEE WHAT KIND OF RESULTS THEY COME BACK WITH. AND IF THEY FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY LIKE TO SEE, EACH CARRIER HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT AS. IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CONTROLS, BUT THAT USUALLY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ALREADY HAVE A COMPANY THAT HAS THEM, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU THE AMOUNT. THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU THE ASSESSMENT BASED ON WHAT THEY CAN GET FROM THE INFORMATION THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY HAVE LIKE WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE DOES IS EVERY YEAR THEY THEY DO THEIR ASSESSMENT PRIOR TO HAVING A MEETING WITH YOUR IT DEPARTMENT AND WITH YOUR IT DEPARTMENT, THEY GO THROUGH AND THEY ASK ALL THESE QUESTIONS. THEY THEY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UPDATING THE SYSTEM AND HOW OFTEN IT'S HAPPENING WHERE THE BACKUPS ARE TAKING PLACE. WHAT ARE THEY DOING ABOUT SECURITY PROTOCOLS WHEN IT COMES TO EMAILS. AND THEY USUALLY AFTER HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, THEY'RE SATISFIED.

ALL THESE OTHER CARRIERS, THEY DON'T DO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO DO IT IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE UP AS AN OPTION FOR THE THE ACCOUNT. BUT IF THEY'RE ALREADY OUT OF LINE WITH THEIR NUMBERS, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP TO DO A DETAILED INVESTIGATION OF YOUR CONTROLS TO SEE IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR FOR THEM. IF YOU IF IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, THERE'S ANOTHER STEP THAT'S INVOLVED AFTER THAT. AND IN MOST CASES, IF THEY'RE IF THEIR PREMIUM IS NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND THEIR TERMS AND CONDITIONS, THEIR LIMITS, THEIR THE RETENTION, IF IT'S NOT IN LINE LIKE THEY WANT MORE OR THEY WANT A LOWER LIMIT, TYPICALLY WHAT WE'LL SAY IS, OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A MUTUAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE AGREE TO DISAGREE ON IT. AND YOU KNOW WE DON'T THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING GOOD THAT WE'D LIKE TO STICK WITH ANYWAY. BUT IF THEY DO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN BE COMPETITIVE, THEN THEY WOULD TAKE THE NEXT STEP. IN MOST CASES, WHEN THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY CAN BE COMPETITIVE, THEY DON'T. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THEY JUST BLAME IT ON CONTROLS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT THE INVESTMENT INTO IT. BY HAVING SETTING UP A CALL AND GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT COMPANY DOES WITH THE IT DEPARTMENT. SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT'S BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS ARE IN BAD SHAPE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT HAVING THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE CURRENT CARRIER HAS. AND WHEN THAT CURRENT CARRIER DECIDES TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE SEEN SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE OF AN ISSUE. THEY WILL NOTIFY THE IT DEPARTMENT AND THEY'LL GIVE THEM TIME TO FIX IT OR COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, WORK WITH THEM ON A SOLUTION, AND THEN THEY'LL GO THROUGH TRAINING, WHICH THEY'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE OF INSTANCES THROUGHOUT LAST YEAR. BUT MOST OTHER CARRIERS, THEY DON'T GET THAT FAR. SO WHEN WHEN YOU SEE THE CONTROLS, IT'S JUST THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE CURRENT CARRIER HAS WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. OKAY. SO THAT CATEGORY ISN'T NECESSARILY ANY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES WHERE THEY JUST DIDN'T FEEL THEY DECLINED BECAUSE IT WASN'T GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE. RIGHT. CORRECT. YEAH. THANK YOU. FOR THE CYBER

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COVERAGE. I KNOW YOU SAID THIS IS A SAME COVERAGE WE ALREADY HAD. ARE THERE ANYTHING IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT AS IT RELATES TO CYBER COVERAGE, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? I KNOW WE HAD THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF SOCIAL ENGINEERING VERSUS CYBER, AND WHETHER IT WAS OR WAS NOT COVERED, DID WE TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS IT RELATES TO THE CYBER POLICY BASED UPON THE CYBER ISSUE WE HAD? YES. AND THERE'S TWO THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE COVERAGE BUILT IN THERE. THERE'S ALSO CRIME THAT HAS SOME COVERAGE FOR SOCIAL ENGINEERING IN THERE. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE THE SITUATION HAPPENED ON THE TRAVELERS POLICY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO HELP YOU GUYS GET SOME OF THE MONEY BACK FROM THE CRIME POLICY AS WELL AS THE THE LIABILITY POLICY IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE. BUT NOW THAT YOU HAVE CYBER, YOU HAVE ACTUAL CYBER COVERAGE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE SOMETHING IN THE CRIME POLICY THAT KIND OF HELPS OUT WITH THAT WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE IF IT WAS A INTERNAL SITUATION THAT KIND OF HAPPENED WAS THE LIMITS FOR THOSE. SO THE LIMITS ON. THE CYBER POLICY IS $2 MILLION BREACH RESPONSE LIMIT E-CRIME 250,202 MILLION.

DEPENDENT BUSINESS AND 2 MILLION RANSOMWARE AND MALWARE. WAS THERE ANY WAY TO GET THE CRIME LIMIT INCREASE, LIKE IS TWO 250,000 THE MAXIMUM COVERAGE FOR E-CRIME? YES, THERE IS AN OPTION TO GET MORE COVERAGE FOR THAT. AND I WOULD I WOULD HAVE TO EMAIL THAT OVER TO JACKIE AND IRIS, BUT I CAN GET AN INDICATION ON THAT PROBABLY BY TOMORROW, TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO GET, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE MAXIMUM WAS. I MEAN, SOMETIMES THEY GO UP LIKE A MILLION MIGHT BE THE MAX OR SOMETHING FOR A TYPE OF COVERAGE. DO YOU RECALL THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU KNOW WITH THE, THE E-CRIME. SO THE WAY THESE THE WAY THESE CYBER COMPANIES, THESE INSURANCE COMPANIES WORK, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF LIMIT WITH THE HIGHEST HIT RATE OF, OF CYBER BREACHES. SO WITH THEY GIVE YOU THE 2 MILLION AGGREGATE AND THE 2 MILLION BREACH OF BREACH RESPONSE LIMIT.

THE E-CRIME THING IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE STILL LIKE NOT AS AGGRESSIVE WITH, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE SEEN 500,000 A MILLION. BUT THE INCREASE IN PREMIUM I COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT I WILL CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT I CAN GET YOU SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON RECORD. YOU KNOW THAT? NO. THAT'S THAT. I WOULD HAVE TO GO AND INVESTIGATE. THANKS. I LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVING IT. COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL. EXCUSE ME. YES? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION ON OUR CYBER COVERAGE. IF YOU COULD SLIDE BACK OVER TO THE PREMIUMS, DID WE LOSE ANY COVERAGE OR IS THERE A REASON WHY THERE WAS A DECREASE? OR DO WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF COVERAGE AS LAST? NO. YOU DIDN'T LOSE ANY COVERAGE. THE THE THE CURRENT CARRIER WAS SATISFIED WITH THE CONTROLS THAT YOU HAD IN PLACE. AND RIGHT NOW THE CYBER MARKET IS VERY SOFT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INSURANCE COMPANIES COMING INTO THE MARKET. SO THE INCUMBENT CARRIERS IN MOST CASES WILL GET EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE ON RENEWALS SO THAT THE COMPETITORS REALLY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM THEM.

SO USUALLY THEY'LL COME IN WITH A VERY AGGRESSIVE INITIAL QUOTE, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER CARRIERS WILL DECLINE BASED ON THAT INDICATION. YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT OUT THE GATE. OKAY. THAT'S GOING TO BE MY OTHER QUESTION. WELL, MOST OF US, OTHER COMPANIES OR CARRIERS DECLINE.

YEAH, OKAY. THEY CAN'T COMPETE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND I'M ASSUMING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS THAT WE GO WITH THESE COVERAGE RECOMMENDATIONS, MR. JONES. YES IT IS. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT IT BE PUT ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION ON E-CRIME IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO INCREASE THAT LINE OF COVERAGE. THANK YOU. THANKS.

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ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GET A MOTION TO RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR ONE LEGAL MATTER.

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SO MOVED, BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL GOOD TO RECONVENE. MOTION TO RECONVENE SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES IN THE MATTER OF CITY OF EAST POINT VERSUS KINSALE. I NEED A MOTION TO PROCEED. AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES FOR THE CLAIMS ARISING OUT OF THE GOOD ON THE OFFICER. GOOD ON ALLEGATIONS. I NEED A MOTION TO PROCEED AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AND BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE OTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS TONIGHT, WE'LL APPROVE THE MINUTES AFTER THE OTHER ONES. WE ARE NOW JUST ONLY AT THE FORENSIC AUDIT. SO LET'S LET'S DO SOMETHING. LET'S GO BACK THROUGH THE AGENDA BECAUSE SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS WE CAN EITHER HAVE TONIGHT OR JUST HAVE ON MONDAY NEXT MONTH. YEAH. BUT THESE THESE ARE ON STAFF ITEMS. SO IF IF IT'S A STAFF ITEM INSTEAD OF DISCUSSING TONIGHT WE COULD DISCUSS ON MONDAY. RIGHT.

BECAUSE DISCUSSIONS MAY BE BRIEF. SO LET'S START AT. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS ALREADY GONE TO THE AGENDA ITEM 16 I WANTED TO DISCUSS BECAUSE THIS IS SOLE SOURCE. WE CAN DO THAT ON MONDAY. 16 ITEM NUMBER 17. IT'S A $4 MILLION ITEM. I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, BUT IT ALSO DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDERS AND A LOT OF THINGS AROUND SAFETY. I THINK WE CAN WAIT. UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT, WE CAN JUST HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA AND NOT PUT IT ON CONSENT. YES. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS AN ORDINANCE I DO WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT ORDINANCE. HEAR MORE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S BEEN PROVIDED. THESE OTHERS, WE PUT 21. WE SAID DISCUSS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT ON MONDAY. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. WITH THAT ONE. YOU TALK ABOUT 1717. I SAID DISCUSS MONDAY BECAUSE IT'S $4 MILLION.

AND IT'S YEAH, BECAUSE OF THAT AMOUNT. I WAS JUST GOING I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. YEAH.

THIS IS ALL OF THE IT STUFF FOR POLICE DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDERS AND CAMERAS AND ALL OF THAT. BUT WE CAN DISCUSS MONDAY. I HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. 22 WE CAN GO AGENDA. OH. 24 WE WANTED TO DISCUSS, BUT DO YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS? I MEAN, WE CAN'T KEEP SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT AND NOT ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE IF WE PUT ALL OF THEM ON MONDAY, THEN WE'RE JUST HERE LONGER THAN. SO YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS. I GUESS. WHY DON'T WE DISCUSS? BECAUSE IT'S 4 MILLION. WHY DON'T WE DISCUSS THAT ONE TONIGHT? 17. DISCUSS 17 TONIGHT WILL DISCUSS 27. TONIGHT IS 1.5 24. DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT ONE TONIGHT? WE ONLY HAVE. 2430, 32 AND 33. THAT WOULD BE REMAINING. AND 32 AND 33 DEAL WITH FINANCE. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE AS A PART OF THE AUDIT. ALONG WITH 35 3233. SO THOSE WILL COME TOGETHER WITH THAT. WITH WHAT ABOUT WHICH ONE COUNCILMEMBER. 30 WHAT'S 30 DO WE WANT TO I MEAN, 30 IS ONLY 22, $22. I MEAN, $22 IS NOT $22, IT'S $22,000. BUT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT PROJECT. DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT OR OR ON MONDAY? ONLY TWO QUESTIONS. IT COULD WAIT TILL MONDAY. I ONLY WANTED TO DISCUSS IN THE PUBLIC. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 24 TONIGHT. SO 30

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IS MONDAY. THE AGENDA 24. DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS TONIGHT OR MONDAY? 23. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE. COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER, YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? NO, NO, SOMEBODY HAD QUESTIONS I SCRATCHED OUT I SCRATCHED OUT AGENDA. I HAD IT ON AGENDA. THEN I SCRATCHED IT OUT. YEAH. SWEETWATER CREEK RUNS THROUGH OUR OLD TRAILS. MAINTENANCE ESSENTIAL TO PREVENT UNNECESSARY INTERRUPTIONS AT WATER CONTENT. CAN FOR 24 GO TO CONSENT. OKAY.

I DON'T EITHER BECAUSE I AND THEN I HAD AGENDA AND THEN I SCRATCHED IT OUT AND MAYBE I WAS ON THE WRONG NUMBER. NO THE AMOUNT IS ONLY 160. SO THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TRIGGERED 3233.

AND THEN WE HAVE THOSE AT THE END 27 WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS 17. SO RIGHT NOW OF NEW AGENDA I HAVEN'T GONE BACK TO PREVIOUS AGENDAS. WE WILL BE DISCUSSING 20. 27. 3233. AND THEN 35 THROUGH 37 AND 39. BUT THOSE ARE AGENDA, MADAM MAYOR, WE CAN MOVE NUMBER 39 TO OCTOBER WORK SESSION. OCTOBER WORK SESSION. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO ON PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEMS, DO WE HAVE AN OFFICER HERE FOR UPDATE ON POLICING. OH OKAY. CREDIT CARD POLICY AND TRAVEL. DO WE FEEL WE'RE READY FOR THOSE TONIGHT OCTOBER I CAN'T HEAR YOU, COUNCILMAN BUTLER. IS THAT YOU KNOW Y'ALL. AND OH THERE WAS A LOT OF RUMBLING WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT EARLIER. SO I JUST SAID TONIGHT. BUT IF YOU ALL WANT TO GO TO OCTOBER WORK SESSION. COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL, YOUR LIGHTS ON. I'D RATHER KEEP THAT ONE HERE. I WAS JUST READING THROUGH IT, BUT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY NUMBER 13. OKAY. NO. SO IF WE DON'T DO THIS TONIGHT, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TILL NEXT MONTH WORK SESSION BEFORE IT CAN GO ON THE AGENDA FOR A COUNCIL MEETING. CORRECT? OKAY. OKAY. NUMBER 13. YEAH, WE CAN KEEP IT SHORT, BUT YES. SO RIGHT NOW, OUTSIDE OF THE PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, 13 AND 14 ON PREVIOUS AGENDAS. SO THAT IS 1234567. EIGHT NINE 1011. IT'S ABOUT 15 ITEMS. SOME OF THEM ARE COMBINED THOUGH. ALRIGHT LET'S WE'LL CHECK IN AGAIN IF NEEDED FOR THE PRESENTATIONS. LET ME HOLD ON. LET ME SEE IF THERE'S FIRE. HAD SOMETHING ELSE OUT OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. SO IF WE COULD DO THE RIGHT SIDE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THEN AS A PART OF THE FORENSIC AUDIT, WE CAN HAVE A WHOLE FINANCE DISCUSSION. AND MR. CITY MANAGER JONES, YOU TELL ME HOW YOU WANT TO LEAD. BUT 32 DEALS WITH FINANCE, 33 DEALS WITH FINANCE, 35 DEALS WITH FINANCE. AND THEN WE HAVE FORENSIC AUDIT. I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO 32 3335 AND THEN THE FORENSIC AUDIT AND THAT WILL TAKE CARE FINANCE.

WELL I WAS I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT ON THE FORENSIC AUDIT. PLANTE MORAN HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN IN COMING FORWARD TO DO A PRESENTATION, THE ONE THAT THEY NEVER HAD DONE ON THE 22ND. IT WOULD FLOW BEST TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT. BEFORE I GO INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SO THEY'RE NOW WILLING TO COME. THEY ARE NOW WILLING TO COME ON THE 22ND. WE WERE ALSO WORKING ON SOME BACKUP DATES, BUT THE 22ND IS WHAT THEY HAD SHARED WITH US. ARE WE PAYING THEM ADDITIONAL MONEY TO COME? I IT WOULD IT WOULD TYPICALLY

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BE WITHIN THE SAME CONTRACT. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO A NEW CONTRACT OR ANYTHING. SO YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT TO SEPTEMBER 22ND SPECIAL CALL MEETING. IT COULD BE THEN.

YES IT COULD CERTAINLY BE THEN. AND IT CAN. SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE ONE PART. SO IF IF YOU RECALL THERE'S 11 ITEMS IN THE IN 11 AREAS OF CONCERN IN THE AUDIT. YEAH I HAVE FIVE PREPARED. NOW IF COUNCIL WANTED IT. BUT I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DISJOINTED IF I DID IT NOW. BY THE 22ND I'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE, IF NOT ALL 11 ITEMS, CERTAINLY MORE THAN I HAVE NOW AND COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD AFTER THEIR PRESENTATION. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY CLEANUP AFTER THAT, THEN THE OCTOBER MEETING. SO THEN WE COULD JUST HAVE ONE MEETING ON FORENSIC AUDIT. YEAH, HOPEFULLY. BUT YOU SAID THEY'VE ALSO SHARED OTHER DATES. SO RIGHT NOW DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S WELL WE'RE WORKING ON THE 22ND OR WE'RE WORKING ON OTHER DATES JUST TO HAVE BACKUP. BUT THE 22ND THEY ACTUALLY PRESENTED AS BEING AVAILABLE AS AN OPTION. OKAY. SO THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. AND ONCE WE SET THE DATE RIGHT, I MEAN, THEN WE'D HAVE TO CALL ANOTHER MEETING IF IT'S A DIFFERENT DATE. SO YOU CAN LET US KNOW WHAT THEIR FINAL DECISION IS. THEIR FINAL ANSWER IS THAT'S YOUR FINAL ANSWER. YEAH. AND THEN WE COULD DO A SPECIAL CALL FOR THAT DATE FOR THE FORENSIC AUDIT. OKAY. BUT THEN I JUST GAVE FINANCE A HOPE, A GLIMMER OF HOPE THAT THEY WERE ABOUT TO. OKAY. SO LET'S DO. LET'S DO FINANCE. WE WON'T DO THE FORENSIC AUDIT. WE'LL DO THE FINANCE ITEMS. WE'LL DO RIGHT SIDE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WE WILL THEN GO TO TRYING TO SEE IF STAFF NEEDED. ON COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL, WHO'S NEEDED ON 13. I BELIEVE WE AS. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, WERE YOU ABLE TO LOOK INTO ANY PREEXISTING LAWS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON ROBOCALLS? NO I HAVEN'T.

OKAY. THAT WAS OKAY. WHEN WE LAST DISCUSSED THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK THE POLICE SAID THAT THEY WERE DOING IT UNDER SOME. THEY'RE DOING AN INVESTIGATION UNDER SOME ORDINANCE OR CRIMES THAT EXISTED. RIGHT. SO WE WERE TRYING TO SEE WHAT WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. AND IF THERE WAS. SO WE'LL DO THAT ONE AFTER UPDATE ON POLICING SINCE IT'S CONNECTED POLICING. THAT CITY DWELLERS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE SHE GOT SOME EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS TOO. OKAY, SO LET'S GO TO FINANCE, THEN FIRE, THEN WE'LL GO TO POLICE FOR, FOUR AND 13.

WE'LL COMBINE THOSE TWO. AND. THEN CITY ATTORNEY. EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON THE AGENDA. THE EAST POINT POWER FOR TWO. OH POLICE. WE HAVE THAT 4 MILLION. SO WE'LL DO WHEN WE DO POLICE UPDATING, IT'LL BE FOUR, 13 AND 17. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO EAST POINT POWER. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY LEFT. WARDENS. OH, WARDEN. NO, WE WON'T HAVE LEFT. SO I THINK MOST OF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN MOVED TO MONDAY AND SOME ARE STILL HERE. WE'LL STILL BE HERE TONIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO 32,

[IV.32. Council Discussion and Possible Action of Vendor Gravity, from Cooperative OMNIA Contract, for Budgeting Software: NOT TO EXCEED: $56,000; FUNDING SOURCE: General Funds ]

33 AND 35. START WITH 32. MR. JONES, THIS IS BUDGETING SOFTWARE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. OUR INTERIM FINANCE DIRECTOR, MR. GOLDEN, WILL WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WITH THIS ITEM, WE'RE LOOKING TO PROCURE A BUDGETING SOFTWARE. CURRENTLY, WHEN WE ASSEMBLE OUR BUDGET, IT'S A MANUAL PROCESS. WE'RE USING WORD. WE'RE USING EXCEL USING PDFS TO PIECE TOGETHER THE BUDGET BOOK AND OTHER

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ELEMENTS OF THE BUDGET. WHAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO IS PUT THAT BUDGET BOOK IN A IN A DIGITAL FORMAT. IT WILL. BE ABLE TO UPLOAD THE DATA FROM OUR SOFTWARE, AND IT MAKES THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE SEAMLESS. IT ALSO COMES WITH THE MODULE TO DEPICT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS WELL. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THE MODULE TO ACTUALLY ENHANCE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. ALSO, IT COMES WITH A TRANSPARENT TRANSPARENCY PORTAL THAT'S BEEN A BIG ITEM IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO THIS SOFTWARE WILL GIVE US THOSE CAPABILITIES TO DO THAT. AND THE COST TO PURCHASE THE SOFTWARE AND IMPLEMENT AND TRAIN STAFF IS AT 56,000, NOT TO SEE 56,000. AND FUNDING SOURCES. GENERAL FUNDS.

COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THIS 56,000. IS THIS A ONE TIME DEAL OR IS THAT WHAT IT IS ANNUALLY, OR IS THERE A MAINTENANCE FEE OR. YES, IT'S A ONE TIME IMPLEMENTATION, BUT IT THEN DROPS TO 30. SEVEN A YEAR, 37,000 A YEAR. YES. THANK YOU I YIELD. COUNCIL MEMBER I AGREE. YES. IS THIS WHEN WE HAD MY ONE ON ONE WITH BUDGET AND I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE PLATFORM THAT WE WERE CURRENTLY USING, AND YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT A PLATFORM THAT YOU DESIRED TO HAVE. IS THIS THE THE SOFTWARE THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING OF? YES.

THIS WE WE LANDED ON THIS ONE. I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER, BUT THAT ONE, ONCE WE LOOKED INTO IT, IT DIDN'T FIT OUR OUR NEED. SO THIS IS THE BEST PRODUCT FOR WHAT WE NEED OKAY. AND WITH THIS, THIS WILL HELP TO PRODUCE A BUDGET BOOK. AND WILL IT INCLUDE IMAGES? I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUT ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT MOST MUNICIPALITIES ARE PRODUCING WITH THEIR BUDGET BOOKS TODAY. CORRECT. WE WILL HAVE IMAGES.

WE WILL BE ABLE TO. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OTHER GRAMMATICAL THINGS. IT EVEN HAS AN AI COMPONENT TO IT. SO IT'S IT'S VERY ADVANCED. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. BUT YES, IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY GOOD ASSET FOR US. THANK YOU. WAS THERE A SOLICITATION DONE FOR THIS? WE USE THE THROUGH THE OMNIA CONTRACT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT WORKS, BUT WE DID GET.

A COUPLE OF QUOTES I BELIEVE IN REGARDS TO THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WHAT'S THE COOPERATIVE OMNIA CONTRACT CONTRACTS AND PROCUREMENT. THAT'S A CONTRACT AND PROCUREMENT QUESTION. YEAH.

WHAT IS THE COOPERATIVE OMNIA? CONTRACT? OMNIA IS ONE OF THE AGGREGATED PURCHASES FOR THE CITY ALONG WITH SOLE SOURCE I MEAN I'M SORRY. SOURCE. WELL, SO YOU HAVE SOURCE. WELL OMNIA BY BOUGHT TIPS THOSE WHAT ABOUT COOPERATIVE CONTRACTS THAT WE USE. SO THEY'RE LIKE PRE-APPROVED CORRECT. THEY DO THEIR OWN. THEY DO A SOLICITATION PROCESS SIMILAR TO LIKE THE STATE WHERE THE STATE USES THEY HAVE A HUGE SOLICITATION. THEY'LL VET OUT ALL THE PEOPLE AND THEY ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES TO UTILIZE THEM. OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO THIS

[IV.33. Council Review and Approval of Emergency Vendor Aptemiz, Inc., for Conducting the Cost Allocation Plan Services for the Fiscal Year 2024 Audit and Current Operations: NOT TO EXCEED: $27,029.37; FUNDING SOURCE: General Funds ]

GOING ON? CONSENT. CONSENT. OKAY. 33 YOU CAN STAY BECAUSE THIS IS EMERGENCY VENDOR. I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. WITH THIS ITEM BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WE'RE DOING AUDITS BACK TO BACK. WE NEEDED TO GET STARTED WITH THE CAPITAL ASSET. I'M SORRY.

CAPITAL ASSET COST ALLOCATION PLAN. THE LAST COST ALLOCATION PLAN WAS DONE 2015 BY MAXIMUS.

WE HAVEN'T DONE AN UPDATE SINCE THEN. AND SINCE THEN THE CITY HAS GROWN. WE HAVE NEW DEPARTMENTS. WE HAVE NEW COSTS, SERVICES, SHARE SERVICES. SO THIS THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR WAS ABLE TO. HELP US WITH THAT COST ALLOCATION PLAN SERVICE. SO DOES THIS MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT? NO. IF THAT'S THE CONTRACT PROCUREMENT QUESTION OR LEGAL BUT. YES, MADAM MAYOR, IN SPEAKING WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

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HOW THIS IMPACTS THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS AND GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT IN A TIMELY FASHION. SO AGAIN, OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, THE WEALTH, HELMET, HEALTH, WEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE, WELFARE I'M SORRY, WELFARE, I APOLOGIZE I SAID, WELL HEALTH, WELFARE SAFETY FOR THE RESIDENTS. OKAY. YEAH. ANY OBJECTION TO THIS BEING ON CONSENT? ALL RIGHT. 34 I MEANT 35 2020 DISCUSSION ON 2024 AUDIT REPORT TIMELINE FOR

[IV.35. Discussion on 2024 Audit Report Timeline of Completion ]

COMPLETION OF COMPLETION. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS. YES. AND A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WE HAD A PRESENTATION IN REGARDS TO SOME PROJECTS OR SPACES THAT WE WANTED TO SEE DEVELOPED. WE ALSO GOT A PLAN FROM MR. CITY MANAGER. BUT MY QUESTION, I WANTED TO KNOW WHEN WAS THE 2024 AUDIT GOING TO BE COMPLETED BE DEVELOPED? WE TALKED ABOUT THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL FACILITY. THE AUDIT. NO ONE OF THOSE AUDITS NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. TIMELINE ON 2024. YEAH. WITH 24. WE STARTED SOME OF THE AUDIT PROCEDURES. HOWEVER, EVEN UNTIL WE CAN ISSUE THE 2023, THOSE AUDITORS CAN'T DO MOST OF THEIR PLANNING. SO ONCE WE GET THAT, THEY I CAN COME BACK AND GIVE A UPDATE ON THE TIMELINE. WHEN IS 2023 GOING TO BE COMPLETED? WE ARE DRAFTING. I'M SUPPOSED TO GET THE GOVERNMENT WIDE TONIGHT, SO ONCE I GET THAT, THEN I CAN DRAFT WHAT TONIGHT? I'M SORRY. WITH THE WITH THE FINANCIAL REPORT THERE ARE SECTIONS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FINALIZE. AND ONE OF THOSE SECTIONS IS THE GOVERNMENT WIDE, WHICH IS HAS THE MAJOR FUNDS. AND SO WE'RE DRAFTING THAT. AND ONCE WE DRAFT THAT THEN IS THIS THE END. AND THEN REVIEWING THE NOTES.

AND THEN WE CAN COME I'LL HAVE THE AUDITOR COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE AUDIT FOR 23. SO ARE WE SAYING THAT'S GOING TO BE AT CLEARLY IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE MONDAY.

IT'S GOING TO BE OCTOBER. IT'LL BE BEFORE OCTOBER. I CAN SAY THAT. SO THAT WOULD EITHER BE AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY, WHICH IS WELL I'M SORRY, YES, MA'AM. OR AT THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING FOR THE FORENSIC AUDIT. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OCTOBER OCTOBER'S MEETING. I CAN HAVE THEM AT OCTOBER'S MEETING. OCTOBER 6TH. IS THAT. YES. THAT'S THE FIRST MEETING.

OCTOBER? YES. PUT THE 2023 AUDIT PRESENTATION ON OCTOBER 6TH. AND IF THAT HAPPENS ON OCTOBER 6TH, THEN THIS ONE CAN GO TO OCTOBER WORK SESSION FOR AN UPDATE ON 2024. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S ALL YOUR ITEMS. THANK YOU. RIGHT SIDE. PROFESSIONAL

[II.3. RightSite Professional Services ]

SERVICES. FIRE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. TECHNICAL SERVICE OFFICER, CHIEF HILL WITH THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I ALSO HAVE THE FIRE CHIEF ON MY LEFT. TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE IN REGARDS TO RIGHT SITE.

WE PREVIOUSLY WERE ASKED TO EXPLAIN HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS SYSTEM INTO THE CITY, AND ALSO HOW WE PLAN ON NOTIFYING THE COMMUNITY OF THE SERVICES OF RIGHT SITE. SO I APOLOGIZE. LET ME PAUSE YOU REALLY QUICKLY, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION

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BEING DONE, WE WANTED TO BE DONE AT A COUNCIL MEETING. I MEAN, THIS IS A THIS IS A WORK SESSION. WHEN WE SAY COUNCIL MEETING, MEANING ONE WHERE IT'S MORE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND. SO WE HAVE 1 OR 2 OPTIONS TONIGHT. COUNCIL. WE CAN HAVE THEM BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALL ARE JUST PROVIDING US AN UPDATE FROM THE LAST ONE ABOUT ROLLOUT TIMELINE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BASICALLY JUST HOW WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE THAT COMMUNICATION PIECE TO THE COMMUNITY. WANT US TO BRING IT BACK MONDAY OR. YEAH. SO MONDAY, MONDAY, MONDAY. SO THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT DOUBLE PRESENTING. WELL THANK YOU KNOW WE APPRECIATE YOU I, I DIDN'T THINK OF I THOUGHT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE HAD AN ADDITIONAL ASK. AND THEN WHEN YOU GOT UP AND STARTED PRESENTING I WAS LIKE WE DID SAY COME BACK WITH THE DETAILS, BUT WE WANTED WE WEREN'T SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE MEETING. AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, CHIEF HILL, HE'S DOING THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO START A SUCCESSION PLANNING WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR ALL OUR POSITIONS. SO WE'RE GETTING HIM PREPARED JUST TO TALK BEFORE COUNCIL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY HE'S DOING IT WITH ME UP HERE. RIGHT? OKAY. FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. OH, NO. NO. ARE YOU TRYING TO FORESHADOW SOMETHING TO US? NO. IT'S JUST JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO IN THE FUTURE.

SO HE AIN'T GOING NOWHERE NO TIME SOON? NO. DEFINITELY NOT. THANK YOU Y'ALL. WILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY. MADAM MAYOR, WHILE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. I WAS JUST NOTIFIED THAT A COUPLE ITEMS FROM PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS MOVED TO MONDAY. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE AT A CONFERENCE NEXT MONDAY, SO IF WE COULD SQUEEZE THEM IN THIS EVENING WHILE WE HAVE THEM, IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. YES. WE CAN DO THOSE. WE HAD PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA, BUT THEY SHOULD BE SHORT. THE THING IS, IS THAT. WE CAN DO THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS. I DO THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A ACTUAL VOTE ON THESE CHARGING STATIONS AT CITY PARKS.

SO WHETHER OR NOT THE STAFF PRESENTS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HIGHLIGHT AS A LEVEL OF INNOVATION IN PARKS AND REC. SO. WE'LL GO TO UPDATE ON POLICING AND THEN PARKS AND REC WILL HAVE 621 AND 22. AND UPDATE ON POLICING IS FOR 13 AND 17.

[III.4. Update on Policing ]

JONES WILL START WITH THE UPDATE ON POLICING AND THEN GO TO 13 AND 17 AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WE'LL HAVE CHIEF MCKINNON, OUR POLICE CHIEF, WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM AND IF IT MAY BE HELPFUL DURING YOUR UPDATE, IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT 27, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A PART OF THE INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY, I MEAN 17 I DON'T KNOW WHY I KEEP SAYING 27. NO PROBLEM. I'LL COVER EVERYTHING. FIRST OF ALL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, EVERYBODY ELSE REAL QUICK FOR ACTIVE SHOOTING. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING OUR TRAINING FOR ACTIVE SHOOTING BECAUSE OF THE RECENT SCHOOL SHOOTINGS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR STAFF IS UP TO PAR. SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. ALSO, OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING IS OUR TIME OF YEAR AGAIN, WHERE WE DO A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. HAD A COUPLE CAR THEFTS. SO WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO CATCH THESE CRIMINALS.

WE HAVE PICTURES OF THEM. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ACTIVELY IDENTIFY THEM AND CATCH THEM.

TOMORROW WE'RE GOING TO HILLCREST COMMUNITY. WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK WITH THE SENIOR CITIZENS FOR THE DAY. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE ENGAGE AND ANSWER ANY KIND OF NEEDS TO HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'LL BE AT THE SUN VALLEY COMMUNITY VETS. IN TERMS OF OUR UPDATES, THE AXON CONTRACT IS A FIVE YEAR RENEWAL. IT'S NORMALLY UP IN 2027, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO OUR DRONES AS A FIRST RESPONDER THROUGH AXON, THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE SHOULD RENEW THE CONTRACT NOW BECAUSE IT WILL SAVE $125,000 PER YEAR. SO BY US RENEWING THE CONTRACT EARLY, WE'RE GOING TO SAVE ABOUT ABOUT HALF $1 MILLION. SO WE WENT FORWARD WITH THAT PLAN BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S JUST VERY EFFICIENT FOR THE CITY TO SEE THAT KIND OF MONEY. IN

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TERMS OF THE CLEAR VIEW FOR OUR DETECTIVES WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING PHOTO LINEUPS, SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TATTOOS ON THEIR FACE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO IT'S HARD TO PUT THEM IN A LINEUP THAT IS A SYSTEM THAT SCANS EVERY DATABASE IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY, TO COME UP WITH IDENTICAL LOOKING PEOPLE SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A LINEUP. AND THOSE ARE MY AGENDA ITEMS. THE 17TH. SO IT'S LIKE $4 MILLION. YES. THAT'S THE ASKED SOMEONE.

YEAH. SO IF YOU CAN KIND OF BREAK DOWN WHAT'S INCLUDED IN IT. OH I'M SORRY. DEFINITELY.

DEFINITELY. SO AS YOU KNOW AXON HAS A FULL SWEEP SUITE OF ITEMS. IT'S INCLUDING OUR BODY CAMERAS AS WELL AS OUR TASERS. OUR TASERS ARE AXON. THAT'S THE ONLY COMPANY THAT MAKE TASERS.

NOW. THEY BOUGHT UP EVERYBODY ELSE OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS AS WELL. WHEN WE'RE DRIVING OUR CARS AND WE'RE VIDEOTAPING TRAFFIC STOPS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE, AS WELL AS OUR SYSTEM, WHICH IS OUR REAL TIME CRIME CENTER, PLUS OUR DRONE SYSTEM AS WELL AS AXON. SO EVERY ITEM WE USE BESIDES OUR CAT IS AN AXON PRODUCT. AND THAT'S A STATE CONTRACT. YES IT IS. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, THE $4 MILLION. SO YOU SAID THAT THIS IS A RENEWAL. YES. WELL IT'S ADDITION AND RENEWAL. THE DRONES ARE ADDED TO THE CONTRACT, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS A RENEWAL. AND BECAUSE WE BUNDLED ALL THE ITEMS, WE ACTUALLY GOT THE DRONES AT A BETTER PRICE. OKAY. AND SO IF WE'RE ADDING THAT. SO PREVIOUSLY THE THE CURRENT CONTRACT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. YES. THE CURRENT CONTRACT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DRONES. SO WHAT THEY AGREED TO DO, INSTEAD OF US STARTING AND HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTS, PUT EVERYTHING ON ONE CONTRACT JUST TO SAVE MONEY. SO OUR CURRENT CONTRACT WILL BE ENDING AFTER THAT CONTRACT IS SIGNED. AND WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT FOR THE DRONES? IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WAS 260,000 $70,000.

HOWEVER, WE ALSO INCLUDED WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CARS, ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. SO WE ADDED SOME MORE BODY CAMERAS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS WELL. OKAY. AND HERE IT SAYS A FIRST RESPONDER DRONE. SO YES, MORE THAN 1 OR 6. IT'S SIX. SO THE WAY THEY WORK THEY'RE IN PARTS.

SO WE HAVE THREE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY AND THREE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY TO COVER. SO JUST BASED ON TIME OF FLIGHT, IF ONE IS STARTING TO RUN LOW ON BATTERY, ANOTHER ONE WILL AUTONOMOUSLY TAKE OFF AND REPLACE THAT ONE IN SERVICE. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE FOR SPARE, JUST IN CASE WE GET MULTIPLE CALLS. OKAY, SO I WAS HAVING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT THAT $4 MILLION. AND SO THERE'S A COMPONENT. YOU SAID THAT THE DRONES WERE ADDED. SO IF WE'RE ADDING THE DRONES TO THIS, DO WE NOT HAVE TO GO OUT FOR ANOTHER SOLICITATION. SO IN THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF COMPANIES THAT MAKE DRONES. BUT THE REASON WE CHOSE THEM IS JUST BECAUSE WE ALREADY WITH EXXON AND THE COST IS CHEAPER AND WE GET MORE FOR LESS. SO THE OTHER COMPETITION WAS 280,000, BUT IT WAS FOR ONE DRONE VERSUS SIX DRONES. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, THE $4 MILLION IS ACTUALLY $895,000 A YEAR FOR FOUR YEARS, I BELIEVE FIVE YEARS. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT ON THERE FOR FIVE. THE CONTRACT SAYS FIVE. I THINK THE FIRST PAYMENT IS ISSUED AT 630 OR 640, AND THEN IT'S 800,000 FOR THE REST OF THE YEARS. SO IT SHOULD PROBABLY SAY NOT TO EXCEED THE 4 MILLION OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. AND IT SHOULD SAY FIRST RESPONDER DRONES INSTEAD OF FIRST RESPONDER FIVE YEAR PERIOD. SO YEAH. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE ABOUT A PROCUREMENT.

IF WE'RE JUST ABLE TO ADD THIS TO THE CURRENT CONTRACT AND IT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT FOR ANOTHER PROCUREMENT IF WE'RE ADDING SOMETHING TO THE CURRENT CONTRACT. BECAUSE IF IF WE'RE ADDING THIS THE DRONE SERVICES TO THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT, THEN THAT WASN'T BIDDED BEFORE, CORRECT? YES AND NO. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DRONE SYSTEM, SO IT'S THREE COMPANIES. EXXON WAS ONE OF THEM. AND BASED ON OUR VETTING PROCESS, WE CHOSE AXIOM, WHICH IS SKYDIO, BECAUSE IT GAVE US A BETTER DEAL AND A BETTER OPTION. SO WE DID GO OUT AND WE LOOKED AT IT'S ONLY THREE COMPANIES THAT REALLY MAKE THEM FOR FIRST RESPONDERS. SO WE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE AND EVALUATE IT AND DECIDE TO GO WITH THE BEST VENDOR, WHICH IS EXXON, WHICH YOU ALREADY HAVE.

OKAY. AND THERE IS EXXON, THE ONLY COMPANY THAT WE GET ANY OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT FROM. THE ONLY OTHER COMPANY IS FUZES. AND WE LOOKED AT EVALUATED FUZES, DRONES AS WELL.

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MATTER OF FACT, THEY CAME AND DID A DEMONSTRATION FOR US AT CITY HALL. BUT AFTER LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTORS AND INCLUDING THE PRICE, AXON WAS THE BETTER COMPANY BECAUSE THEY PARTNERED WITH SKYDIO AND THEY WAS ABLE TO GIVE US A MUCH BETTER DEAL AND A MUCH BETTER SAVINGS. AND WE'RE GETTING SIX DRONES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE DRONE. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ABOUT THAT. BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT, THE AMOUNTS, AND THEN SO THAT MAKES SENSE. IF IT'S 8.95 PER YEAR OVER FIVE YEARS, FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED, AND AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT. MADAM ATTORNEY, FOR ANOTHER PROCUREMENT, EVEN IF WE'RE ADDING A COMPONENT TO THE CURRENT CONTRACT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT, OKAY, PROCUREMENT POLICY MAY REQUIRE US TO. AND I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT. IT'S A 12 MONTH OR ONE YEAR CONTRACT. THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THE CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENTS TO BREAK UP THAT AMOUNT TO REFLECT THE AMOUNT FOR EACH YEAR. RIGHT. AND SO WHILE THEY GAVE US THE PRICE FOR 2025, 2026, 2027 AND SO ON, THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE A FIVE YEAR. IT ACTUALLY IS A ONE YEAR THAT IF THEY DO, IF WE DID DECIDE TO TERMINATE DURING THE WE COULD TERMINATE AT THE END OF EACH YEAR. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE DON'T HAVE TO LIVE OUT THE ENTIRE FIVE YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T DO. OKAY. AND IF WE DECIDED TO DO THAT WITH THE DEAL THAT THE CHIEF IS TALKING ABOUT, THEN WOULD WE LOSE THAT DEAL OF 125 THAT SAVINGS PER YEAR? I DON'T KNOW, POTENTIALLY. YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE GUARANTEEING THAT THEY'RE GIVING US THIS RATE BECAUSE THEY THINK WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN IT FOR THE FIVE YEARS. I AM LOOKING AT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS NOW. BUT THE QUOTE, IF YOU WILL, WHICH IS WHAT I RECEIVED, HAS IT WHERE EACH YEAR IS LISTED OUT SEPARATELY, WHICH IS CORRECT, AS OPPOSED TO ONE LUMP SUM FOR THE ENTIRE FIVE YEARS, WHICH WOULD NOT BE CORRECT. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I CAN TELL YOU SHORTLY. SO THOSE ARE REALLY CHIEF. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT STRUCK THE AMOUNT AND THEN THE DRONE, BECAUSE WE HAVE HERE TOO BEFORE WE HAVEN'T USED DRONE TECHNOLOGY. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. WE HAVE FOR NOT IN TERMS OF DRONES AS A FIRST RESPONDER. SO THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY ARE AUTONOMOUS DRONES WHERE WE CAN DISPATCH THEM THROUGH DIFFERENT CALLS. SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. AND LITERALLY I THINK IT'S THREE COMPANIES. AND WE VETTED ALL THE COMPANIES AND WE LOOKED AT THE PRICE. WE DID AN EVALUATION. SO WE DID GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO SEE WHO WAS GOING TO GIVE US THE BEST, BASICALLY BEST FLIGHT TIME AND BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK. AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE SKYDIO, WHICH IS PARTNERED WITH AXON IN THE SAME CONTRACT. OKAY. AND SO AND THIS IS AN EARLY RENEWAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE YEAR THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY RENEW WITH AXON. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO THE RENEWAL IS 2027. SO IF WE JUST CHOSE NOT TO RENEW AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE. THEY SAID WE DON'T HAVE TO RENEW THE CONTRACT. BUT IF WE DO NOT RENEW THE CONTRACT THEY GO UP EVERY YEAR. SO THEY SAY IT'S BETTER TO RENEW NOW AND JUST MAKE THIS YEAR'S PAYMENT AND CONTINUE ON. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T RENEW WHEN WE DO, WE KNOW IN 2027 THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $120,000 A YEAR THAT WE WILL HAVE INCURRED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND MADAM ATTORNEY I SPEAKING WITH CONTRACTOR. GO AHEAD. NO, I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING THE DRONES TO THIS EXISTING CONTRACT AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANOTHER PROCUREMENT. I JUST THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST ASKING, MR. LAWRENCE ABOUT. IF Y'ALL SEE THIS AS A CHANGE ORDER RIGHT TO THE EXISTING CONTRACT AS OPPOSED TO A WHOLE NEW CONTRACT FOR PURPOSES OF THE DRAW PURCHASE, BECAUSE I HEARD YOU TALKING, I GOT MY ANSWER TO THAT. I WILL SAY TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, THE DETERMINATION OF LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT DOES ALLOW US TO TERMINATE THE 30 DAY NOTICE, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE IN EACH OF THE YEARS. FIVE YEARS. OKAY, IT DOES REQUIRE THAT ALL FEES BE HEARD BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE BE PAID, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ON THE HOOK FOR ANYTHING POST AFTER THE 30 DAY NOTICE, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT. WHAT'S THE WORD ON THE HOOK FOR THE ENTIRE CONTRACT IF YOU DECIDE TO GET OUT OF IT IN YEAR TWO? OKAY, CHANGE. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. WE'LL GET BACK. COUNCIL MEMBER FREELAND. YEAH. THANKS, CHIEF.

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I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? STATE CONTRACT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS? SO THERE'S A WAY WHEN WE PROCURE CONTRACTS, THERE'S A SOLE SOURCE, WHICH MEANS THAT'S THE ONLY COMPANY THAT HAS THE ITEM OR PRODUCT THAT A SINGLE SOURCE, WHICH MEANS THAT PARTICULAR PRODUCT WE'RE CHOOSING BASED ON THE SPECIALTY OF THE PRODUCT AND THE COMPANY WE'RE USING AT THE END OF THE STATE CONTRACT. SO THERE'S A CONTRACT, THERE'S A LIST OF STATE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE PREFERRED VENDORS TO THE STATE. SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS. OKAY. SO THEY'RE ON A LIST OF PREFERRED VENDORS SORT OF VETTED BY THE STATE OF GEORGIA. YES. FOR THESE SORTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTRACTS OR YES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE BUY OUR CARS, IT'S OUR 2 OR 3 DEALERS THAT'S ON THE STATE CONTRACT. WAIT, I THINK ATKINS, FORD, AND ONE MORE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO WHEN WE BUY VEHICLES, IT'S JUST EASIER TO GO THROUGH THE STATE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY HAVE STATE CONTRACT PRICING AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LOT EASIER AND BETTER AND JUST HAVE BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE STATE. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET COMPARISONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHEN WE GO TO BUY A CAR. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OH YOU'RE WELCOME, COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL.

THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO ASK. I BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID IT. I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS THIS SOLE SOURCING PROCUREMENT? DOES IT QUALIFY AS THAT OR. NO OKAY. YES. NO OKAY. AND WHEN WE USE STATE CONTRACTING THAT IS A FORM OF PROCUREMENT. CORRECT. SO THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING DOES NOT STATE. COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU. AND THIS I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK TO UPDATE ON POLICING. OH YES MA'AM. SO MY QUESTION IS CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ROOMING HOUSE. IN THE AREA. RIGHT. SO WE ACTUALLY ARE WORKING ON THAT WHEN YOU CALLED US, MATTER OF FACT IT WAS LAST WEEK WHEN YOU CALLED US. SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE CITING THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BOARDED UP ANYTHING. THE ONES ARE OPEN. SO WE'LL TAKE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT. RESIDENTS ON THE LOOK CORRECT? YES, YES. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY TAKING CARE AND DEALING WITH THAT. A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S MY FAULT. I NEED TO SEND EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. I SEND YOU ALL A MONTHLY STAT ON CODE ENFORCEMENT, SO I'LL MAKE SURE I SEND THAT OUT TOMORROW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OH. YOU'RE WELCOME. ATTORNEY WIGGINS, DO YOU HAVE THE RESPONSE? I DON'T KNOW IF THE STATE CONTRACTING. BEING THE PROCUREMENT IN THIS INSTANCE REQUIRES A CHANGE ORDER. NO, WE'RE WE ARE ON WHAT TIMES AND HOW THEY PRESENTED. SO IT'S THE CONTRACT WASN'T APPROVED YET FOR THE BODY CAMERAS AND IN-CAR CAMERAS TO INTERVIEW ROOMS. THEY ADDED THAT AND I WILL TELL YOU, BECAUSE I HAD TO LOOK THIS UP FOR SOMEONE ELSE. LET ME JUST GIVE YOU THAT. ONE SECOND. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT ON ME, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I CAN GET YOU THAT ANSWER IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES. NO, I THINK THIS IS THE QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS ANSWERED. I TRIED WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME TIME. I THINK THE SO WE WANT THE ANSWER AND THE AGENDA ITEM SHOULD PROBABLY REFLECT THE ANNUAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED WHATEVER IS IT, DOES IT GO UP OR IT GOES DOWN? THE FIRST YEAR IS FOR MY MISTAKE IS IN THE SIX HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS, I THINK IT'S SIX 5640. THEN FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT EVERY YEAR. AND WHAT'S THAT AMOUNT? I'LL TELL YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO THE AMOUNT PER YEAR. IN AUGUST 2025 TO AUGUST 2026, IT IS $717,437.64 FOR 2026, IT'S EIGHT $1,486.56 FOR 2027 IS $844,379.80 2028, $844, $379.81, AND THE SAME AMOUNT FOR 2029. SO FOR THE AGENDA ITEM, IF IT GOES ON CONSENT, WHAT WHAT AMOUNT SHOULD WE BE USING NOT TO EXCEED THAT? THE AMOUNT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE

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$4,064,663.62. ALL OF THAT ADDS UP TO THAT. NOT WHAT'S ON THIS AGENDA. SO NOT TO EXCEED THAT AMOUNT OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. CORRECT? OKAY. AND I'M SORRY I STARTED ASKING YOU QUESTIONS.

IT MIGHT HAVE PULLED YOU AWAY FROM THE OTHER QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION, IF IT PLEASES. COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER. THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU DOING, CHIEF? THE CITY ATTORNEY GAVE US AN OUTLINE OF THE DIFFERENT FEES. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION SAKE, DO WE OWN THE DRONES OR ARE THEY LEASED THROUGH THIS PROGRAM? I MEAN, WE OWN THOSE DRONES, OKAY. AND SO IF WE WANTED THEM AFTER YEAR ONE, WOULD WE HAVE PAID FOR THEM WITH THE YEAR ONE PAYMENT OF 600 PLUS THOUSAND? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING WITH THE BODY CAMERAS. SO THAT PAYMENT IS NOT JUST FOR DRONES, IT'S FOR THE FULL SUITE OF PRODUCTS. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND JUST FOR SUMMATION, FOR US AND THE THE CITY, THE RESIDENTS IN THAT BUNDLE, WE'RE GETTING OUTLINED THAT FOR US, PLEASE. SO WE'RE GETTING OUR BODY CAMERAS, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE. WE'RE UPGRADING TO THE THE LATEST GENERATION OF BODY CAMERAS, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO SPEAK TO AN OFFICER, HAS A LOT MORE FUNCTIONS THAN IT CURRENTLY HAVE. WE'RE GETTING OUR TASERS. WE'RE GETTING OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS AS WELL AS FUZES, WHICH IS OUR REAL TIME CRIME CENTER SOFTWARE. WE ALSO GETTING THE DRONES AS A FIRST RESPONDER. OUR INTERVIEW ROOMS ARE SET UP TO BE RECORDED. SO THE OTHER COMPANY THAT ALSO HAS PLACED OUR EQUIPMENT IN OUR INTERVIEW ROOMS. SO EVERYTHING WE DO IN POLICING IN TERMS OF IN-CAR CAMERAS, BODY CAMERAS, TASERS, DRONES, ALL THOSE PRODUCTS ARE IN THIS ONE BUNDLE. AND JUST FOR SUMMARY SAKE, YOU SAID WITH THE DRONE PROGRAM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A DRONE ON A SITE WITHIN HOW MANY SECONDS OR 80% OF OUR CALLS 90S OR LESS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE WITH SIX TOTAL, SIX TOTAL. WE'LL PUT THREE ON. I SAY THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY, WHICH IS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, AND WE'LL PUT THREE BY CAMP CREEK AREA. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHIEF. NO PROBLEM. I MAILED OUT THE COPY OF THE CONTRACT. SO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR. SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY THE BREAKDOWN OF THE EQUIPMENT, THE QUANTITY, DESCRIPTION. AND IF I CAN ADD, YOU DON'T WANT TO ADD TOO MUCH, BUT IT'S AXON IS A FULL SUITE OF PRODUCTS, BUT IT'S FITTED FOR OVER 140 OFFICERS. SO WE HAVE BODY CAMERAS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WHEN WE HIRE PEOPLE OR IF SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST THE OFFICERS WE HAVE. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE MORE PRODUCTS THAN YOU'LL SEE ON THE LIST. YOU GOT THE ANSWER. ATTORNEY WIGGINS IS MY ATTORNEY. I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINSON.

YES. I JUST WANT TO THANK ATTORNEY WIGGINS FOR SENDING THAT CONTRACT SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT. WOULD IT ALSO BE POSSIBLE TO SEE OUR CURRENT AXON CONTRACT? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE IT. OKAY. I GUESS MR. LAWRENCE WOULD HAVE IT OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED AT THE PRICE WE PAY RIGHT NOW IS RIGHT AT A HALF A MILLION A YEAR. ABOUT HALF A MILLION. YES. OKAY. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT 16, WHICH IS THE CLEARVIEW FACIAL RECOGNITION. ANY OBJECTION TO THAT GOING TO CONSENT, ANY OBJECTION TO 17

[III.13. Municipal Policy for Deepfake and Illegal Robocalls ]

GOING TO CONSENT. AND THEN CHIEF 13 ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL POLICY FOR DEEPFAKE AND ILLEGAL ROBOCALLS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY AT THE LAST MEETING, AND IT WAS REPORTED BY FORGOT THE OFFICER WHO WAS HERE LAST MEETING. THE REPORT ON YOUR BEHALF, OFFICER BULLOCK SAID THAT THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION BEING DONE AND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME EXISTING ORDINANCES THAT COULD APPLY. AND I KNOW I JUST DIDN'T HEAR THE FIRST PART. YOU SAID THE DEEPFAKE ILLEGAL ROBOCALLS. OH, YES. YES, YES, HE'S STILL INVESTIGATING THAT. I SHOULD HAVE GOT WITH HIM BEFOREHAND, BUT HE'S STILL INVESTIGATING THAT TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT ORDINANCES OR WHAT EXISTING ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT MIGHT BE APPLICABLE? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY THAT'S APPLICABLE. SO THIS AND I WILL TELL YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. THIS IS A LOT OF

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NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S USING AI TECHNOLOGY. SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES TECHNOLOGY HAS OUTPACED THE LAW. AND THAT'S IN A LOT OF CASES WHEN YOU TURN TO AI TECHNOLOGY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND LAWS THAT ARE APPLICABLE JUST BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY IS SO ADVANCED RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF STUFF IN THE BOOKS JUST HASN'T CAUGHT UP TO IT. BUT I'LL LET YOU KNOW. BUT WHAT IT WOULD BE IS SOMETHING OF IF THAT PERSON USES THE PERSON'S NAME, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IT WOULD BE IDENTITY THEFT OF SOME SORT IF THAT OCCURRED, AND HE'S INVESTIGATING THAT. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT AGAIN. SO EXISTING ORDINANCE WOULD BE IDENTITY THEFT. YES. OR STATE STATUTE? I'M NOT SURE THE STATE STATUTE WOULD BE IDENTITY THEFT IF CERTAIN PARAMETERS WERE SET. IDENTIFIABLE MARKINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE PUT THIS ON TONIGHT'S MEETING. WE ARE WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC TO A.I. COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS AND I, SO I HOPE I CAN GET THAT TO LEGAL IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT OUR NEXT MEETING. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE, THANK YOU. WILL WE BE ABLE TO PUT THIS ON OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR ITEMS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THAT NIGHT, NOT JUST DISCUSS? SO IF WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT OR REVIEWED AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCUSS OKAY. YEAH THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT. OCTOBER WORK SESSION FOR 13. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

OH I'M SORRY COUNCIL. I JUST WASN'T SURE IF THE CITY ATTORNEY EMAILED US ALSO ON THIS. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE HAD SOMETHING ELSE. SHE WANTED TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION. YES, SIR. I AM SO SORRY. PLEASE LET ME TALK TO YOU KNOW, I, I SAW THAT YOU HAD EMAILED US. I DID, AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE WE CLOSED OUT THIS ITEM. WAS THERE ANYTHING MORE YOU WANTED TO ADD, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THE EMAIL YOU SENT? I THINK THE CHIEF ANSWERED IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN ORDINANCE. RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILMAN MITCHELL HAD WAS WHETHER THERE WAS SOME LOCAL ORDINANCE TO REGULATE THAT BEHAVIOR. I WILL SAY THAT OTHER THAN THE STATE LAW AND WHAT I EMAILED YOU GUYS REGULATES BUSINESSES, NOT INDIVIDUALS. IT WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT TRIES TO REGULATE ROBOCALLS BY INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT SOME, LIKE I PUT IN THE EMAIL, RELIABLE TECHNOLOGY AND AN OPERATOR WHO COULD TESTIFY IN MUNICIPAL COURT TO SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT WE RESEARCH. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. THE TECHNOLOGY PICKED THIS UP. LIKE THAT WOULD BE AN EXPENSIVE ORDINANCE. AND YOU KNOW, YOUR. STATUTORY AUTHORITY IS ONLY UP TO $1,000, RIGHT? UNLESS THERE IS MULTIPLE ROBOCALLS. AND THEN YOU MAYBE CAN CHARGE $1,000 PER CALL. BUT GIVEN THAT THE STATE HAS ALREADY TOUCHED THIS ISSUE AND THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION, WE MAY BE PREEMPTED FROM DOING MORE OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. AND SO I JUST THINK AN ORDINANCE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE THE BEST IDEA, BUT ALLOW THE POLICE TO MAYBE ENFORCE IT THROUGH THE CURRENT STATE LAWS LIKE IDENTITY THEFT, AS HE SAID. I MAXIMUM FINE IS 1000 AND MAXIMUM, WHAT, SIX MONTHS? SIX MONTHS IN JAIL FOR CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS. AND I STILL HAVE MY LIGHT ON BECAUSE I HAVE SOMETHING FROM THE PREVIOUS ISSUE. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, MADAM MAYOR. OKAY, SO WITH RELATION TO THE STATE CONTRACT WITH THE AXON PEOPLE, MY QUESTION BEFORE I ANSWER AND I ANSWER TOO PREMATURELY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEEDED A CHANGE ORDER, IS WHETHER OR NOT THE STATE, WHEN THEY BID AND DID THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS FOR AXON, DID IT INCLUDE DRONES, OR WAS IT JUST FOR THE BODY CAMERAS, THE CAMERAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE PRIOR TO US ADDING THE DRONES? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DID DID THE STATE EVER HAVE DRONES IN THEIR COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS WHEN THEY PROCURED THEM? SO WHAT I KNOW IS STATE HAD AXON. I'M NOT SURE WHAT SUITE OF PRODUCTS THEY CHOSE TO HAVE, BUT I CAN GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. YES, BECAUSE IF THEY DID NOT EVER DO A COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS, THAT WOULD HAVE IDENTIFIED AXON AS A PROVIDER OF DRONES, THEN WE'RE NOT RELYING ON THE STATE CONTRACT FOR THE DRONE PART JUST FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR Y'ALL TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SOUNDS LIKE IT I KNEW IT OKAY. THANK YOU. 17 YEAH. SO WE CAN LEAVE IT ON CONSENT. AND IF

[IV.17. Council Discussion and Possible Action of Vendor Axon Enterprise, from State Contract #99999-SPD-NVPPAOK000-0003, for Body Cameras, In-Car Cameras, Interview Rooms, and a First Responder Drone. NOT TO EXCEED: $4,038,273; FUNDING SOURCE: General Funds ]

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Y'ALL IF IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT WE PULL IT OKAY. EITHER WAY. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. SO MY QUESTION IS IF WE PUT IT ON CONSENT AND WE GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED, THEN WE CAN KNOW IF WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED, THEN WE CAN MOVE IT TO CONSENT BEFORE THE AGENDA IS APPROVED.

YES. OR VICE VERSA. IF WE PUT IT ON CONSENT AND GET THE INFORMATION, WE CAN PULL IT FROM CONSENT AND PUT IT ON THERE. YEAH. AND AND IF WE COULD GET IT BEFORE MONDAY.

CERTAINLY IF, IF THE CONTACT AT THE STATE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WAS AXON ORIGINALLY YOU KNOW BIDDING ON THEN. YES. OKAY. BUT IT DOES RELY ON US TO GET INFORMATION FROM OTHER PEOPLE. YEAH. AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN TRY TO HAVE IT BEFORE THEN. YES, MA'AM.

YEAH. OKAY. SO WE WANT TO LEAVE IT ON CONSENT AND TAKE IT OFF OR PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND CONSENT. I HAD QUESTIONS. SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE ATTORNEY WAS REALLY GETTING TO THE QUESTION THAT I REALLY HAD IN TERMS OF IF THAT STATE CONTRACT WITH AXON INCLUDED DRONES, BECAUSE I WHAT I HEARD IS THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE WE ADDED THIS TO THE CONTRACT, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, DOES THAT REQUIRE A NEW PROCUREMENT AND PARTICULARLY AT THE AMOUNT. AND SO, I MEAN, IT GOES ON CONSENT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE THE INFORMATION, BUT THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW ALSO. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO FIND THAT INFORMATION OUT OR NOT. YEAH. I THINK THE THE ASK FROM SHROPSHIRE AS WELL WAS TO TAKE IT OFF OF CONSENT, LIKELY LEAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MONDAY, ALLOW US TO GET WITH THE STATE TO FIGURE OUT IF DRONES WAS EVER INCLUDED SO THAT WE COULD KNOW THAT WHETHER WE GOT A PROCUREMENT ISSUE. SO I THINK THE MAYOR IS SAYING WE COULD DO IT EITHER WAY. TAKE IT OFF. IF I COME BACK AND SAY WE GOT AN ISSUE OR LEAVE IT ON JUST IN CASE, I SAY WE DON'T. I THINK THAT'S A IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. ON THE BEST APPROACH. I WOULD RECOMMEND AGENDA NOT CONSENT.

OKAY. WE HAVE SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE CHIMED IN AND THE PROCUREMENT STAFF PERSON WHO JUST WALKED UP. MR. DARMAN NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD I MEAN, ATTORNEY WIGGINS PRETTY MUCH TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT ANY OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH STATE CONTRACTS, THEY'RE NOT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT THE STATE DID NOT ALREADY APPROVE. SO IT WOULD BE IT'LL TAKE LESS THAN 15 MINUTES FOR ME TO CONTACT THEM TOMORROW. GET THE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU GUYS. SO YOU'RE SAYING IF THE VENDOR IS ON A STATE CONTRACT LIST AND IS OFFERING SOMETHING, THE STATE HAS APPROVED WHAT THEY'VE OFFERED 1,000,000,000%. CORRECT. SO BUT ONCE AGAIN, I'LL DOUBLE DOWN FOR YOU TOMORROW. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. SO 1,000,000,000% SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF THAT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER.

I MEAN, WITH THE 1,000,000,000% FROM THE CONTRACTS AND PROCUREMENT, I WOULD SAY CONSENT AGENDA AND PULL IT IF WE IF IT'S DIFFERENT. BUT THEY THEY CAN'T PROVIDE OR OFFER SERVICES THAT THE STATE HASN'T APPROVED. CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS, COUNCIL MEMBER, CUMMINGS COUNCIL. BUTLER COUNCIL. GO AHEAD. MY QUESTION MY QUESTION WAS GOING BACK TO THE DEEP FAKE AND ILLEGAL ROBOCALLS. WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW WAS, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WERE DOING ABOUT THAT OR ANY STATE GUIDED LAWS FOR WHAT MUNICIPALITIES MIGHT BE DOING FOR THAT, AND ALSO YOU TO CHIEF, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, BECAUSE I REMEMBER YOU SAYING IN MY LAST COMMUNITY MEETING THAT I WAS MOVING VERY FAST PACED. SO HAS THERE ANYTHING BEEN PUT OUT THERE? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO I DO KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND TRYING TO WORK ON LAWS BECAUSE. SO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A QUICK EXAMPLE. WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE AT AI, YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A ZOOM CALL AND I CAN HAVE A ZOOM CALL WITH EVERYBODY ON HERE. THE PROBLEM IS NONE OF Y'ALL WILL BE REAL, BUT NOBODY WOULD KNOW THAT. SO THAT'S HOW SOPHISTICATED THE TECHNOLOGY IS RIGHT NOW. SO THEY HAVEN'T YET, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING. BUT NOT AS NOT AS OF YET. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO MY QUESTION IS I I'M SORRY. I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED THAT THE STATE IDENTITY THEFT OR FCC AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL MIGHT PREEMPT

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THIS. BUT, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD OR RESTATE? I WOULD NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH FOR OTHER CITIES TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I DO SEE THAT THERE WAS A SENATE BILL, SENATE BILL 73, THAT TALKED ABOUT ROBOCALLS OR WHAT THEY CALL SPAM CALLS OR TELEMARKETING CALLS. AND SO I CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND JUST SEE WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

SO BACK TO THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE DRONES AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED ON WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO. SO THE ORIGINAL THE CONTRACT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH AXONS, I KNOW WE'RE ADDING THE DRONES, THE, THE CONTRACT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH EXXON. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE PROVIDING THE SERVICE FOR THE DRONES THAT WE HAVE NOW. THE THING IS, IF WE JUST GO ON NOW, AS OPPOSED TO WAIT UNTIL 2027 TO RENEW THE CONTRACT, WE GO AND WE START OVER. WE HAVE A NEW CONTRACT NOW. IT SAVES $125,000 A YEAR, CORRECT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE A FIVE YEAR DEAL. THEY'RE GIVING US A DEAL PRETTY MUCH ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH YEAR. BUT WE DON'T WE AND WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOCKED IN TO THAT. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR FIVE YEARS. BUT THEY QUOTED THE PRICE AS IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IT FOR FIVE YEARS. CORRECT NOW. OKAY. SO WITH. YOU, YOU WENT WITH ABOUT THREE COMPANIES THAT THAT DO THE FIRST RESPONDER DRONES. YES. YOU PRETTY MUCH VETTED ALL OF THOSE.

YOU LOOKED AT THE PRICES. AXON IS STILL GOING TO GIVE US MOST BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK AT THE END OF THE DAY, CORRECT? CORRECT. AS OPPOSED TO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WILL GIVE YOU FOR ONE. JUST REAL QUICK, LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THEY'RE GIVING US. WE GET MORE. BUT THE BIGGEST DEAL IS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE COMPANY. THEY CAN BUNDLE MORE. SO THAT'S HOW THEY REALLY ARE GIVING US THE BIGGEST DEAL BECAUSE WE'RE SAVING OVER HERE AS WELL. OKAY.

IT'S KIND OF WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I'M GOOD WITH ALL OF THAT. SO THE THING IS THIS I KNOW WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROCUREMENT ISSUES. SO BUT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT VENDORS THAT ACTUALLY DO THE DRONES. CORRECT? YES. I WENT WITH PELOTON. WE LOOKED AT THEM FOR A GOOD WHILE, VETTED THEM ABOUT FOR THREE MONTHS. EPHESUS WAS THE CLOSEST COMPETITOR, AND THE REASON AXON WORN OUT IS JUST BECAUSE OF WE CAN GET MORE FOR LESS. THEY HAD A VERY GOOD PRODUCT. WE VETTED THEM FOR A VERY LONG TIME, BUT WHEN WE CAME DOWN TO THE FINAL DECISION, HAD TO DO WITH THE BOTTOM LINE DOLLAR. OKAY. AND I'M STILL TRACKING. SO THE NEXT THING WILL BE THIS. SO THE THING TO DO IS I KNOW YOU WERE SAYING, I KNOW I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS WAS SAYING WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED LIKE A, LIKE AN ADD ON BECAUSE WE'RE NOW WE'RE DOING THE DRONE. WHAT DID YOU SAY? THAT'S AN ADD A CHANGE ORDER. OR IS IT BEST TO JUST REDO THE CONTRACT AND ADD THE DRONE IN THERE? AND AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THE CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES 2027. SO THEY'RE GOING TO TERMINATE THAT ONE. RE DO A WHOLE NEW CONTRACT WITH ALL OF IT IN IT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS CLEAR BECAUSE I MEAN YOU HAD A LOT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OKAY. SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THANK YOU OKAY I YIELD. MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULDN'T THIS BE LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE MICROSOFT WINDOWS OR YOU HAVE ADOBE AND THEY OFFER A SUITE OF SERVICES AND WE HAVE CONTRACTED THEM TO PROVIDE US THOSE SUITE OF SERVICES. WHEN THIS BE SIMILAR TO AXIOM, PROVIDING US A SUITE OF SERVICES. CORRECT. SO I MEAN, EVEN IF THE STATE HAS NOT PURCHASED DRONES FROM THEM, THEY HAVE PURCHASED ADOBE, AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE SOFTWARE THAT COMES WITH THEM BECAUSE OF THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THAT. AND SO MAYBE THIS WILL APPLY THE SAME WAY, BECAUSE I WAS I WAS THINKING THAT. YEAH, BUT PROCUREMENT DIRECTOR SAID 1,000,000,000%. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I, I'M OFFERING AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IN THE FACT THAT THIS COMPANY HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS WITH THE STATE AND HAS BEEN VETTED, AND WE'RE PURCHASING A SUITE OF SERVICES AND NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL SERVICES. AND BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU PURCHASE MICROSOFT AND THEN YOU GET THE EMAIL, YOU GET THE EXCEL SPREADSHEETS, THE WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S A SUITE OF SERVICES THAT. BUT THE COMPANY IS MICROSOFT THAT OFFERING THAT ALTERNATIVE? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M STILL CLEAR BECAUSE I THINK IF WE'RE ADDING THE SERVICES AND THEY WEREN'T ORIGINALLY INCLUDED, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT THE SAME CONTRACT THAT WAS BIDDING BEFORE. AND SO NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE NEW CONTRACT. AND I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD, MADAM ATTORNEY. SO THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M UNSURE ABOUT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S WE'RE ADDING SOMETHING. AND THERE ARE OTHER I THINK ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU SAID, CHIEF, THERE'S SOME OTHER COMPANIES THAT MAKE THE DRONES. SO HOW DO WE KNOW WE

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WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN A BETTER SUITE PACKAGE? THEY'RE ALSO A PART OF THE STATE CONTRACT IF WE DON'T PROCURE IT. SO IF I MAY, MAY I ANSWER THAT QUESTION? BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. HOW ARE YOU DOING? OKAY. SO WHAT I DID WAS WHEN WE VETTED THOSE THREE COMPANIES, WE ASKED FOR PRICES FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. WHAT WOULD THE COST BE? WHAT'S THE RUNTIME FOR THE DRONES? HOW DO YOU OPERATE ALL THESE FACTORS? SO BASED ON THE COST ANALYSIS, WE JUST LOOKED AT THE DRONES BY THEMSELVES. WHAT'S THE BEST DEAL EACH COMPANY WILL GIVE US BASED ON WHAT WE SAW. THEY WAS VERY COMPETITIVE WITH EACH OTHER, BUT SOME HAD BETTER PRODUCTS THAN OTHERS. AFTER WE PRESENTED THOSE, AND WE LOOK WHAT EXXON WAS GIVING US. IN SOME INSTANCES, WE GOT A COUPLE DRONES FOR FREE, BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY BUNDLED EVERYTHING AND THAT'S HOW WE CHOSE. SO WHEN YOU ASK ABOUT THE BETTER PRICE, IF IT WAS JUST THE DRONES BY THEMSELVES, THEY BEAT THEM, BUT IT'S THE OTHER PRODUCTS THAT THEY GAVE US A GREATER DISCOUNT ON. SO THE DRONES WERE VERY COMPETITIVE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PACKAGE AS A WHOLE, IT SAVED US A LOT OF MONEY A YEAR. SO DID THE OTHER COMPANIES ALSO BUNDLE? NO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE BODY CAMERAS OPTION TO BUNDLE. SO THEN IT WOULDN'T BE. RIGHT.

SO THEY DON'T MAKE THE OTHER THINGS. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY DON'T MAKE THE OTHER PRODUCTS.

SO THERE'S ONLY TWO COMPANIES THAT MAKE BODY CAMERAS AND THAT'S EXXON AND UTILITY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE LEFT UTILITY ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF SERVICE ISSUES. OKAY.

SO PRETTY MUCH RIGHT NOW THE ONLY TASERS ARE AXON, BODY CAMERAS ARE AXON. AND THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY USE. OKAY. AND IF I MAY ADD TO COUNCILMAN ATKINS, THE IDEOLOGY THAT YOU MAY HAVE OF SOLICITATION IN HOUSE HERE VERSUS STATE CONTRACT, STATE CONTRACT MAY HAVE AN AXON AND LIST ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY PROVIDE. SO YOU CAN COME AND GRAB THAT STATE CONTRACT AND SELECT THOSE ITEMS OFF OF IT VERSUS OVER HERE, HERE IN THE CITY. WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT. OKAY. YOU YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS I GOTTA PUT IT BACK OUT OR I HAVE TO DO SOME TYPE OF AMENDMENT JUST TO GET YOU TO INCLUDE IT ON THAT. WHEREAS THE STATE CONTRACT WITH THIS FURNITURE, CELL PHONES, WHATEVER IT IS, ESPECIALLY ELECTRONICS IN THIS CASE, THEY LIST ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY CHOOSE IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. OKAY. HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES SOME BETTER CLARITY OKAY. YES. SO CONSENT PULL IF DRONES IS NOT LISTED, BUT DRONES WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF THE CONTRACT UNDER STATE CONTRACT IF IT WASN'T APPROVED BY THE STATE. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO CHECK. AND WE CAN MAKE ONCE WE GET THE EMAIL, LIKE I'LL MAKE SURE IF IT NEEDS TO GO ON THE AGENDA, WE PUT ON THE AGENDA, IF IT NEEDS IF IT STAYS ON CONSENT, THE RESPONSE IS GOING TO TELL US, BECAUSE INITIALLY EVERYBODY AGREED TO CONSENT. THERE'S THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT DRONES WAS LISTED AS A SERVICE, IF IT WAS, AND THEN THIS IS A NEW CONTRACT. IT'S NOT A CHANGE ORDER. IT'S NOT CHANGING THE CONTRACT. WE'RE TERMINATING THE CONTRACT THAT ENDS ON 2027 TO DO A WHOLE NEW CONTRACT WITH THIS SUITE OF SERVICES. AND IF DRONES IS INCLUDED ON THE CONTRACT AS A SUITE OF SERVICES, THEN COUNT ATTORNEY WIGGINS. SO I WOULD ASK FOR THE AGENDA ITEM, THEN TO READ A MOTION TO TERMINATE THE CURRENT CONTRACT, TO THEN ENTER INTO THIS ONE. SO BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR TOMORROW, WE'RE GOING TO BE ENDING THE CURRENT.

SO THE MOTION JUST NEEDS TO INCLUDE OR THE AGENDA ITEM NEEDS TO INCLUDE A TERMINATION ITEM. YOU WANT TO DO IT SEPARATELY. YEAH OKAY. YEAH. TERMINATE ONE BEFORE YOU DO ANOTHER ONE. AND ALSO MADAM MAYOR IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT, I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THAT IN REFERENCE TO THIS OTHER CONTRACT WE'RE IN. I BELIEVE IT DOES. I DON'T WANT TO I'M NOT 1,000,000,000%. BUT I IF THE ONE CONTRACT SPEAKS TO THE TERMINATION OF THE OTHER, WE CAN JUST APPROVE THIS. RIGHT? I DIDN'T SEE THAT. NO, I'M SAYING THE CHIEF SAYS HE THINKS THAT.

IT SAYS I DON'T KNOW. SHE HAS THAT CONTRACT. OKAY. OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE IF EVERYTHING IS WORKED OUT, IT CAN GO ON CONSENT. IF NOT, IT GOES ON THE AGENDA. HOW ABOUT THAT? OKAY, SO AGENDA CONSENT. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

NEXT UP, ITEM NUMBER SIX, 21 AND 22. TRI-CITIES HIGH SCHOOL CHAMPIONSHIP SIGNAGE. 21 IS THE

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CONLEY NATURE PARK TRAIL AND 22 THE CHARGING STATION AT CITY PARKS. OKAY, WHAT NUMBER IS 21 2021 AT THE 2019 TRAIL? CONSTRUCTION TRI-CITIES HIGH SCHOOL SIGNAGE. HAVE WE GOTTEN

[III.6. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Tri-Cites High School Champions Signage ]

THE FINAL FROM THE SCHOOL? ARE Y'ALL STILL TRYING TO MEET WITH THEM? IF Y'ALL STILL TRYING TO MEET WITH THEM, THAT'S FINE. I KNOW SCHOOL JUST STARTED, SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

YES, MA'AM. WE'VE SPOKE TO DOCTOR WILLIAMS. GORHAM AND COACH HAS LOOKED AT THE SIGNS, MADE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS AND THEY'RE GOOD TO GO. SIGNS SHOULD BE DONE THIS WEEK. THE BASED ON MAYOR AND COUNCIL. HOW WE WANT TO DO THE PRESENTATION OF THE SIGNS WHEN WE WANT WHEN WE WANT TO HAVE THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIGN. DOCTOR WILLIAMS GORDON JUST SAID THAT WHEN THAT PROCESS IS READY TO GO, WE CONTACT THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME TYPE OF DEDICATION THEMSELVES. OKAY. HOW MUCH IS THAT? 1440. WE GOT FOUR SIGNS.

OH THAT'S NOT YES, MA'AM. QUESTION ON THE SIGN. COUNCILMEMBER, ARE YOU STILL IN FROM EARLIER COUNCIL? COUNCILMEMBER CLEMONS THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. DO YOU ALL HAVE A DO WE HAVE AN IMAGE OF WHAT THE SIGNS LOOK LIKE OR. I DON'T HAVE IT TODAY? IF WE PRESENT IT BEFORE, IT'S. YEAH, YEAH. DID YOU CHANGE IT FROM WHAT YOU LAST SHARED US? WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT FROM WHEN THE SEAL. COULD YOU JUST EMAIL IT TO THE. YES, MA'AM. I CAN, SO SHE CAN GET IT TO ALL OF US. I CAN GET I CAN GET IT. I GOT MY LAPTOP WITH ME. I'LL GET IT TO YOU AS SOON AS I GO BACK TO MY DESK. LET ME GO BACK TO THE CHAIR. OKAY? YES, MA'AM. WE THEY SELECT LOCATIONS WHERE THE FOUR SIGNS ARE GOING TO GO. THE LOCATIONS ONE WILL BE COMING IN OFF OF CLEVELAND AVENUE FROM ATLANTA. THE OTHER ONE WILL BE COMING IN ON MAIN STREET, THE BOTH MAIN STREET ENTRANCES. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT ONE COMING IN FROM THE WEST SIDE, COMING FROM INTO EAST POINT. WHAT ABOUT SCHOOL? WE HAVE WE DIDN'T DECIDE ABOUT THE SCHOOL.

WE JUST WANTED TO PUT THEM WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE THEM COMING IN. BUT WE CAN ALSO ORDER SOME MORE SIGNS IF WE NEED. DID THEY DID THE SCHOOL DECIDE PARTICIPATE IN LOCATION? NO MA'AM. SO WE PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE IN. I ACTUALLY GAVE THEM THE IDEAS AND THEY WERE GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY. THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY AT SCHOOL. THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT BY THE SCHOOL. BUT I'LL TALK WITH THEM AGAIN. BUT THEY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SCHOOL WHEN I GAVE THEM THE LOCATIONS. OKAY. ATTORNEY I MEAN COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL.

COUNCILMAN MONROE. NO, JUST DO YOU GUYS KNOW THE DIMENSIONS ON THE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD OF THE SIGNS, OR IS IT LIKE ON THE EMAIL? I WAS JUST GOING TO PULL HIM UP. I WALKED UP HERE AND HE'S GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION. YEAH. IS IT THE ONES THAT ARE HANGING? WELL, IT'LL BE A SIGN THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON TWO TWO POLES. THE SIGN IS GOING TO BE, I THINK, 24 BY 36 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE ASSIGNMENT WILL HAVE TWO, TWO POLES THAT THEY GO ON. AND WE'LL SET UP LARGE SIGNS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I ALSO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS THAT I THINK ONE SIGN DOES NEED TO GO NEAR TRI-CITIES HIGH SCHOOL. I MEAN, YEAH, ONE SIGN DOES NEED TO GO NEAR TRI-CITIES HIGH SCHOOL.

AND WHERE ELSE ON THE WEST SIDE? YOU MENTIONED THE WEST SIDE OF EAST POINT WHERE COMING IN ON CAMP CREEK INTO THE CITY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. NO MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT. YOU'LL EMAIL US AND I THINK JUST CONFIRM WITH THE SCHOOL AROUND LOCATION, IT I MEAN, THE REC CENTERS OVER THERE, LIKE IT'S SPORTS RELATED, BUT. 21 COLLEGE NATURE TRAIL. THANK YOU. I GUESS THE OTHER THING WOULD BE TO WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO COORDINATE A DATE. IF WE WANT TO DO SOME TYPE OF CEREMONY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, WE CAN WORK WITH THE SCHOOL ON THAT. YES, MA'AM. THIS LET US LET TELL THEM TO GIVE US SOME DATES THAT WORK FOR THEM. YES, MA'AM. THEM AND THE KIDS AND THE WHATEVER COORDINATE. I GOT A ANOTHER APPOINTMENT TO TALK TO HER ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. YES, MA'AM. 21

[IV.21. Council Review and Approval of Vendor Bayne Development Group, LLC, from State Contract GA-99999-SPD-S20200901-00024, for Construction Services at Connally Nature Park Trail Phase II NOT TO EXCEED: $285,000; FUNDING SOURCE: Professional Fees and TSPLOST ]

CONLEY NATURE TRAIL. ALRIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE'RE FINISHING UP PHASE TWO OF THE CONLEY NATURE TRAIL. WE HAVE ALMOST TWO MILES OF SOFT SURFACE TRAILS THAT WE BUILT BACK IN 2022. AS AN EXTENSION OF PHASE ONE. WE BUILT THOSE TRAILS OFF OF THE LW, F GRANT, WCF GRANT BACK IN 22. WE ACTUALLY GOT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO CONTINUE THAT PROJECT, TO ADD ANOTHER HALF A MILE OF TRAILS COMING OUT OF THE WOODS, MEETING INTO THE FRONT PART OF THE EASTPOINT MODEL MILE. SORRY, I JUST WANTED MORE DETAILS, SO NO

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SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ISN'T IT ALL RIGHT. 22 ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ONE THAT

[IV.22. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor Gresco - Piggyback ECG Contract, for Six (6) ChargePoint Charging Stations in City Parks; NOT TO EXCEED: $65,000.00 FUNDING SOURCE: CIP ]

I'M ACTUALLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT. I CAME BEFORE YOU ALL PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WITH OUR POTENTIAL PARK UPDATES AND TRYING TO MOVE OUR PARKS A LITTLE BIT MORE FORWARD.

IRONICALLY ENOUGH, I'M ATTENDING A NATIONAL PARKS CONFERENCE ON NEXT WEEK WHERE I FIRST GOT A LOT OF THE IDEAS. THOSE ARE THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT OUR NATIONAL PARK CONFERENCES.

BUT ON THE WEST COAST, THEY'RE ADDING A LOT OF CHARGING STATIONS WITH EVERYBODY GOING GREEN, ELECTRIC CARS BECOMING MORE POPULAR. SO, AND THIS CAPITAL BUDGET, I ACTUALLY ASKED FOR FUNDS TO PUT AND INSTALL CHARGING STATIONS AT OUR MOST FREQUENTLY USED PARKS.

WE'LL BE ADDING THEM AT JOHN MILNER. AS MANY OF YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE A TON OF PEOPLE THAT COME DOWN THERE. JEFFERSON, RICK SUMNER, BROOKDALE, AND SYKES PARK. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING CHARGING STATIONS IN THOSE AREAS. BUT THIS IS ONLY FOR SIX, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO YOU DON'T PUT ONE AT EACH LOCATION OR WELL WE'RE GOING TO START ADDING. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO TWO AT JOHN MILNER OUR MOST FREQUENTLY USED SPACE. AND WE'LL BE ADDING SOME ON AS WE KIND OF MOVE FORWARD. BUT THE FIRST INSTALLATION WOULD BE IN THOSE PARKS. SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE PARK ONLY HAS ONE SMALL PARKING SPACE. IT'S IT MIGHT BE MAYBE SEVEN TOTAL PARKING SPACES. OKAY. IT'S A BIG PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A LOT OF PARKING OVER THERE. SO WE'RE KIND OF BEING STRATEGIC WITH IT. EVENTUALLY WE'LL ADD SOME MORE SYKES PARK. WE'RE PROBABLY LIKE A COUPLE WEEKS AWAY FROM OPENING THE LOWER PART OF SYKES PARK, AND IT IS SOME PARKING DOWN THERE IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT PROPERTY. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING IN MORE OF THE EXPOSED AREAS WHERE PEOPLE USE. SO WOULD THAT BE ONE AT SYKES, ONE AT BROOKDALE AND ONE AT JEFFERSON? RIGHT? YEP. AND TWO AT JOHN MILNER. CORRECT. THE UPPER AND THE LOWER PARKING LOT. YEAH. ONE AT SUMNER. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE DONE. EAST POINT POWER. POLE INSPECTION, $1.5 MILLION. ITEM

[IV.27. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor Osmose - Piggyback ECG Contract, for Padmount and Pole Inspection; NOT TO EXCEED: $1,500,000.00 FUNDING SOURCE: CIP ]

NUMBER 27. HI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM, THE 1.5 MILLION, REALLY IS OVER 3 TO 4 YEARS. REALLY? SO THIS IS. WE HAVEN'T SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE. THIS IS INSPECTING ALL OUR POLES, ALL OUR TRANSFORMERS, THE SWITCH GEARS, EVERYTHING. SO BASICALLY, I KNOW THERE'S POLES OUT THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T WENT TO AS YET OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, NOTICED THAT THEY'RE BAD OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO FROM THIS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, THEY'LL START TO LOOK AT THE POLES, DO SOUND BORINGS, TEST, CHECK ALL THE POLES, ALL THE TRANSFORMERS, EVERYTHING ON OUR GRID TO SEE IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S BAD, WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. ALSO, SOME OF THIS IS JUST TRYING TO BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE. AND HOW MUCH IS IT PER YEAR? HOW MANY YEARS? WELL, IT'S NOT TO EXCEED. SO IT'S DEPENDENT ON HOW MUCH POLES THEY CHECK IN THAT YEAR OR HOW MUCH ASSETS THEY CHECK WITHIN THAT YEAR. SO IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WE LET THEM GO. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT TO DO BY CIRCUIT. SO I DON'T I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MUCH OVER HOW MANY YEARS. OVER 3 TO 4 YEARS. SO THE THREE YEARS OR FOUR YEARS WHAT'S THE CONTRACT. THE IT'S I WANT TO SAY IT'S REALLY FIVE YEARS, BUT WE DON'T PLAN TO TAKE IT OUT FOR SO LONG BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES REALLY AND TRULY. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT FOR $1.5 MILLION, WE NEED A TIME PERIOD. SO IS IT OVER? WE JUST DID I THINK IT'S A FIVE YEAR PERIOD ON. IT'S NOT UPLOADED. I THINK IT'S I'LL I CAN GET IT TO YOU. WE JUST NEED TO PUT THAT IN THE AGENDA TITLE. THIS DOES THIS INCLUDE INSTALLATION. LIKE WHAT IF A POLE IS BAD. NO NO NO. SO IF THE POLE IS JUST

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INSPECTION CORRECT. IF THE POLE IS BAD THEN THEY GIVE US THAT REPORT AND WE NEED TO CHANGE OUT THAT POLE. AND YOU HAVE FUNDING TO REPLACE THE POLE. YES. YES OKAY. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO WE NEED THE OVER WHATEVER TIME PERIOD COUNCIL AMEND ATTORNEY WIGGINS YES MADAM MAYOR I'M NOT SURE I'VE SEEN THIS CONTRACT. AND IF IT IS FOR A MULTI YEAR PERIOD THEN JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE, IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE THE AMOUNT SEPARATED OUT PER YEAR AND LANGUAGE THEREIN THAT PROVIDES WE CAN GET OUT OF IT WITH NOTICE. SO I'LL WORK WITH MR. DOWD TO ENSURE THAT WHAT YOU SEE ON MONDAY REFLECTS THAT. MR. JONES, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? SORRY, THAT WAS I COVERED IT. OKAY. NO WORRIES. SO AGENDA ATTORNEY COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS. YES. SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY TO THIS CASE, BUT TO WHAT ATTORNEY WIGGINS JUST SAID. ATTORNEY WIGGINS, YOU JUST STATED THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS CONTRACT. SO IS THERE NOT MR. CITY MANAGER, A PROTOCOL THAT ALL CONTRACTS WOULD GO TO LEGAL? THEY DO. THEY JUST MAY NOT GET TO ME PRIOR TO THE VOTING MEETING.

RIGHT. SO I MAY SEE IT THIS WEEK. OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS? ONE. ONE LITTLE TIP.

THIS IS ANOTHER. YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO MAKE AN EXCUSE THAT SHE SHOULDN'T SEE IT OR WHATEVER. BUT THIS IS TO ECG THE ELECTRICAL CITIES OF GEORGIA. SO DID THE SOLICITATION ISSUE, BUT NOT THE CONTRACT ISSUE THAT DEALS WITH THE SOLICITATION ISSUE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SOLICIT. LIKE WE COULD PIGGYBACK OFF OF ECG, BUT LEGAL WOULD STILL NEED TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT. GOTCHA. YEAH. SO WELL, SO THEY THEY JUST SENT US THE ENTIRE PACKAGE. SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT SHE GETS IT. THANK YOU. THIS ON THE I GUESS THE AGENDA LEGAL HASN'T LOOKED AT IT. THANK YOU. I THINK. OH, MISS EDGAR IS STILL HERE. THERE WAS ONLY ONE WATER AND SEWER WATER RESOURCES ITEM THAT WENT TO AGENDA. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT 30? BRIEFLY. OH. YEAH. 20.

THIS. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. ITEM NUMBER 30 IS THE MOU. SORRY. OH, IS THE

[IV.30. MOU for GDOT P.I 0017993 Welcome All Rd and Camp Creek Improvements for a Not to Exceed Amount of $22,000 for the Relocation of Water and Sewer Infrastructure. the Georgia Department of Transportation (GDOT) is Realigning Welcome All Road with Camp Creek Parkway to Improve Traffic Flow and Safety. This Will Affect East Point's Water and Sewer Systems]

MOU FOR GDOT PROJECT PI 0017993 FOR THE WELCOME MALL ROAD AND CAMP CREEK IMPROVEMENT NOT TO EXCEED $22,000 FOR THE RELOCATION OF WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS REALIGNED. WELCOME MALL ROAD WITH CAMP CREEK TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW AND SAFETY. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR WATER, SEWER, POWER, GAS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS THAT GDOT ALLOWS UTILITY OWNERS BY PERMIT, NOT OWNERSHIP TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR ROADS. IN THE EVENT THAT GDOT MAKES ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINT, THE OWNERS IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO RELOCATE THOSE UTILITIES. SO OUR WATER, OUR SEWER LINE, A VALVE, AND A HYDRANT NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED BECAUSE IT'S CONFLICTING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT IS A TIME SENSITIVE. HOW GDOT WORKS IS THE PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN OUT FOR BID. I THINK IT'S CLOSE TO LIKE $7 MILLION. IN THE EVENT THAT WE CAN'T GET THIS APPROVED BY NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, NOT ONLY WILL THE CITY OF EASTPOINT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE $22,000, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL COST AS FAR AS TIME WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AS WELL. WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT GDOT HAS SELECTED FOR THE PROJECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS TO THIS GOING ON? CONSENT. DOES THIS IS THIS ALIGNED WITH THE OTHER PROJECT THAT IS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH MARTA AT THE END, AT THE END OF WELCOME ALL ROAD GOING ON TO CAMP CREEK. IS THIS WITH THAT PROJECT? I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THE LISTED PROJECTS WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. AND SO USUALLY TRANSPORTATION IS HANDLED WITH PUBLIC WORKS. THERE'S WATER AND SEWER. I DEAL WITH ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THE ROAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IT'S ON

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CONSENT. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 20 I THINK HAS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS A PART OF THE

[IV.20. An Ordinance to Amend the Code of Ordinances for East Point, Georgia at Division II Code of Local Government, Part 4 Administration, Chapter 6 Domestic Partnership; to Repeal Chapter 6 Entirety; to Provide for Severability; to Promote the Public Health, Safety and Welfare, and for Other Purposes. ]

CITY ATTORNEY'S DISCUSSION. YES. YOU READY FOR ITEM NUMBER 20? ORDINANCE AMEND. PART FOR ADMINISTRATION. CHAPTER SIX DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP TO REPEAL CHAPTER SIX IN ITS ENTIRETY.

YES, MA'AM. SO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CAME TO ME BECAUSE THEY HAD GOTTEN A REQUEST FROM A CITIZEN WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY SAYS AT SECTION 46002 THAT THE CITY PROVIDES DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP AFFIDAVITS AND THEY CAN BE USED FOR. SAME SEX PARTNERSHIPS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW FOR LIKE INHERITANCE OR TO PUT SOMEONE ON YOUR UTILITY BILL.

IT'S REALLY WAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT YOUR PARTNER, ALBEIT OF THE SAME SEX, WOULD BE ABLE TO ACT ON YOUR BEHALF OR INHERIT FROM YOU LIKE A SPOUSE WOULD. SO AFTER TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND I READ THE REQUEST FROM THE CITIZEN, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE, I MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE WE SHOULD NOT BE TREATING THE SAME SEX PARTNERSHIPS ANY DIFFERENT FROM HETEROSEXUAL PARTNERSHIPS BECAUSE OF THE 20. I THINK IT WAS 2015 ALLOWANCE FOR. UNDER TITLE SEVEN OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGES TO BE RECOGNIZED IN THIS COUNTRY. OTHER CITIES HAVE SIMILAR DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP AFFIDAVITS, BUT THEY DO NOT DISTINGUISH SAME SEX FROM HETEROSEXUAL PARTNERSHIPS, WHICH WE DID. AND SO I THINK THAT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND WE SHOULD REPEAL THAT. OR AT THE VERY LEAST, TAKE OUT THE SECTION THAT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST SAME SEX PARTNERSHIPS. OKAY. WAS IS THIS A THIS ISN'T ZONING, IT'S NOT ZONING. IT'S SO HOW DID IT GET THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT GOT THE REQUEST FROM THE CITIZEN. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED, BUT THEY JUST TOOK UP THE MATTER, YOU KNOW, THE AND CAME AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT.

OKAY. THERE'S A SECTION IN THE CODE THAT REQUIRES A BUSINESS LICENSE PERSON TO TO ACTUALLY ISSUE THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP. OH. SO THAT'S YOU HAVE TO IMPLEMENT. YES. THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF IT. YES. GOT YOU. IT'S AN ORDINANCE, SO IT HAS TO GO TO THE AGENDA. ANY COUNCIL MEMBER. ZIEGLER. SO, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE HAVE LANGUAGE THAT INCLUDES SAME SEX PARTNERS AND HETEROSEXUAL PARTNERS AT ALL.

JUST. UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS. RIGHT. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST REPEAL IT. UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO CONTINUE WITH. PROVIDING THESE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP ACTIVITIES. BUT ORDINANCE IS IMPORTANT IS TO REPEAL IT AND JUST MAKE THAT SECTION RESERVED. SO. I'M HAPPY OBVIOUSLY, TO AMEND IT TO TAKE OUT THE REFERENCE TO SAME SEX PARTNERSHIPS, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL. BUT WHAT WAS PROPOSED IS JUST TO REPEAL THE WHOLE THING. COUNCIL MEMBER THERE, I SUPPOSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND REPEALING THE ENTIRE THING WHEN WE CAN REALLY JUST AMEND IT TO ALLOW SAME SEX AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. I CAN'T THINK. YEAH. SO BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE HAVE THIS IN OUR ORDINANCE IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT MARRIED OR MAYBE COULD NOT GET MARRIED, BUT BUT ARE STILL IN A DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP. SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S RIGHT TO APPEAL THE OR REPEAL THE ENTIRE THING.

WE JUST NEED TO ADD IN THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE HAVE THIS IN OUR ORDINANCE IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE AND GIVE PEOPLE EQUAL RIGHTS, BECAUSE,

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YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE THERE WOULD BE NO LAW THAT WOULD PROTECT PEOPLE IN DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS, CORRECT? NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. SO THAT WON'T BE ADDED. I THINK IT WILL BE FINE. I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE ADDING INFORMATION. YOU WOULD BE TAKING INFORMATION OUT. RIGHT. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY DISCRIMINATION THERE. SECONDLY, THE ORDINANCE AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PULL IT UP.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT SAYS. SO SO THEN WHERE IS THE LANGUAGE THAT PROTECTS PEOPLE IN DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS. THAT'S IN YOUR CONSTITUTION. YOU'RE NOT IN STATES CONSTITUTION, RIGHT. OH WELL YOU'RE SAYING FOR DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS. IT DOESN'T BUT YOURS DOESN'T EITHER. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY I WANT YOU TO SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOUR ORDINANCE PROVIDED. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ATHENS-CLARKE COUNTY HAS IT, BUT IT'S ONLY TO ALLOW FOR A PARTNERSHIP TO BE ON THE BENEFITS FOR IF LIKE IF THE EMPLOYEE WAS IN A PARTNERSHIP AND THE OTHER PARTNER WANTS TO BE ON THE BENEFITS, IT'S FOR THAT. OURS DOESN'T HAVE THAT. SO WHILE I RECOMMEND IT REPEAL, OBVIOUSLY I JUST RECOMMEND. SO YOU GUYS NEED TO SAY DO YOU WANT TO NARROW THIS? NO. YOU GOT TO PULL UP THE ORDINANCE FROM MUNICODE. IF YOU COULD. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO NARROW THIS SO THAT IT WON'T? DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO IT WON'T BE RESTRICTIVE. SO IT WON'T BE DISCRIMINATORY BECAUSE OURS DOESN'T READ LIKE THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE IT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. AND SO YOU'LL SEE HERE IN A SECOND, I THINK IT'S 4-6. 18602. SO THERE'S A CHAPTER. AND THE ONLY PORTION. WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS. REALLY, REALLY ALL OF IT. SO IF YOU SEE HERE UNDER A YOU SEE IT WROTE DOWN DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP SHALL MEAN TWO ADULTS WHO LIVE TOGETHER IN A MUTUAL INTERDEPENDENCE OF A SINGLE HOME. THAT'S SIX IS THE ISSUE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN. WAIT, I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE OTHER SECTION. I'M READING IT ON MINE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE IN HERE WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR, FOR THE PROTECTION THAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO. SO THEY COULD ANYONE NOT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE. ANYONE CAN APPLY TO THE COURTS FOR SOME DESIGNATION, BUT WE DON'T NARROW IT FOR LIKE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS OR FOR UTILITY BILLS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE CITY REGULATES. IT'S JUST AN AFFIDAVIT OR A FORM RATHER THAT WE WOULD GIVE THAT CAN BE USED FOR ANYTHING. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS AUTHORITY TO DO THAT UNLESS IT WAS FOR SOMETHING WE HAD CONTROL OVER, LIKE UTILITY BILLS, LIKE BENEFITS, OR LIKE IF SOMEONE HAS A PENSION HERE BECAUSE THEY WERE EMPLOYEE, WE COULD RECOGNIZE THAT THEY WOULD INHERIT FROM THAT, WHICH YOU'RE RIGHT, WOULDN'T BE A REPEAL. IT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF AMENDMENT TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE, BUT TAKE OUT THE SAME GENDER PART, BECAUSE THAT'S THE PART THAT I FOUND WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. SO WITH SOME DIRECTION, WE CAN CHANGE THIS TO WHATEVER THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE. OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T GET RID OF IT ENTIRELY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. I JUST NEED SOME DIRECTION. IF IT'S NOT THAT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS CAN ALSO BE OF HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES, IF THAT'S. YES. AND SO, I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. BUT WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THIS ORDINANCE IN HERE TO PROTECT PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. AND PROTECTIONS AND RIGHTS AND STUFF ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GO AWAY. SO I WOULD