[I. Call to Order]
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          OCTOBER 13TH WORK SESSION OF EASTPOINTE CITY COUNCIL. MADAM CITY CLERK, ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER, SHROPSHIRE. COUNCIL MEMBER, FRIEDLY HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. ATKINS. PRESENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. ZIEGLER PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. CUMMINGS. COUNCIL MEMBER. MITCHELL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. BUTLER. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS, MAYOR. HOLIDAY. INGRAM. WE HAVE A QUORUM. LET'S GO THROUGH PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEMS. THAT'S THE PRESENTATION. EAST ONE COMPENSATION POLICY I KNOW, MISS JESSIE WANTS TO ADOPT THAT UPDATE ON POLICING. I SAW A POWERPOINT COVER SLIDE FOR CREDIT CARD POLICY AND TRAVEL. I'M ASSUMING WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT TONIGHT. MR. JONES, DO YOU HAVE A. OKAY. CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS, REIMBURSEMENT AND REPORTING THAT GOES WITH SIX COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL NUMBER EIGHT. 
          YES. NUMBER NINE NINE. YOU WHERE DO YOU WANT IT TO GO NEXT NOVEMBER WORK SESSION. SO THAT'S NOVEMBER 10TH. YES THAT'S FINE TEN. IF YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT NUMBER. 11 COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS. NEED TO DO 1213. 14 WE NEED TO DO 15. DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THE FACADE? GRANT MR. JONES FOR 16. I DON'T SEE ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF HERE. WE'LL HOLD IN CASE THEY COME. YEAH. JUST IN CASE THE. POSSIBLE AT VENDOR HUNT HAHN COMPANY NUMBER 17. ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 18. COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER. WE CAN MOVE THAT TO THE NOVEMBER WORK SESSION. ALRIGHT. NOVEMBER 10TH. NUMBER 19, COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN ROGERS WON'T BE HERE. SO YOU CAN PUT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WANTED ON THAT ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INFORMATION ON NUMBER 24. AND I MISS. I MISS SKIP ALL ABOUT THREE FOUR AT ONE TIME. I'M SORRY. MY BAD 20 AND 21 IF WE HAVE INFORMATION. SORRY. OKAY. NOVEMBER 19TH TO NOVEMBER 20TH AND 21 WILL DISCUSS 22. UNSOLVED. ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT FOR 22 FROM FIRE. ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT FOR 23 FROM PARKS AND REC. ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT? IF WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WOULD BE THAT OKAY. 
          THAT'S FINE. NUMBER 24. ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT I CAN'T I LOOKED AT SWEEPER AND SAID CONSENT. IT JUST MADE A WORD. CONSENT AGENDA. NOW I WAS AT 24. OOPS. AND NOW THAT'S THE WRONG WAY. OKAY. 25 ANY OBJECTION TO SINKHOLE REPAIR? 3113 MAIN STREET FROM WATER AND SEWER 26 ANY OBJECTION TO 200,000 FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES? WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. NUMBER 27. ANY OBJECTION TO CONSENT FROM PUBLIC WORKS? THIS IS A STATE CONTRACT. PIGGYBACK. NUMBER 28, ANOTHER STATE CONTRACT FOR PUBLIC WORKS. TWO TWO TRUCKS. NO OBJECTION. CONSENT 29. 
          ENGINEERING DESIGN. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 30 REZONE PROPERTY FROM EDUCATIONAL ONE. 
          WHERE IS THIS ZERO NORMAN BERRY DRIVE. WHO IS THIS? YEAH, BUT I WANT INFORMATION ON THIS. IS 
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THIS THE ZERO NORMAN BERRY DRIVE? WHAT WHAT LOCATION IS THAT NUMBER 30. SIX IN-BETWEEN. 
          THE GAS STATION BEHIND ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOSPITAL. OKAY. THE OPPOSITE OF THAT IS LOCATED ON ZERO BERRY DRIVE OFF OF EAST CLEVELAND AVENUE. SO NEXT TO THE FORMER HOSPITAL LOCATION, IT'S AROUND THE CORNER. OH, OKAY. DISCUSS. THIS IS IT'S AN ASSOCIATED CASE. IT'S ASSOCIATED CASE WITH THE REZONING. YES. OKAY. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE AGAIN. IT'S 32 ASSOCIATED. NO THAT'S WEST TAYLOR MULTIFAMILY. ARE THE APPLICANTS HERE FOR 3031 AND 32. 
          THEY ARE OKAY. GREAT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THEM. SENIOR HARDSHIP UTILITY DISCOUNT AND MR. KING SENIOR CITIZEN UTILITY. I'M NOT SURE HOW ALL THAT MIGHT BE. DARREN KING I DON'T KNOW IF HE COMES. IF NOT, WE COULD PUT 33 AND 34 ON NOVEMBER WORK SESSION. YEAH. NOVEMBER 10TH. 
          IF THEY COME, I'LL READDRESS THEM. COUNCIL MEMBER CLEMONS 35. YES. OKAY. MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK. AFTER OUR PRESENTATIONS, WE HAVE NUMBER NINE GOING TO THE NOVEMBER WORK SESSION. 
          NUMBER 17, CONSENT AGENDA, NUMBER 18 AND 19TH NOVEMBER WORK SESSION NUMBER 22 AND 24, CONSENT AGENDA NUMBER 25 CONSENT AGENDA. AND NUMBER 27 AND 28 CONSENT AGENDA. YOU HAVE THOSE OKAY. THANK YOU. WE WILL START WITH OUR FIRST PRESENTATION. ATTORNEY CHARLES JOHNSON IS HERE. TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE INNOVATION TIDE COURT. TAD AND KEMP CREEK TIDES. 
          COLLECTIVELY YOU HAVE SLIDES. OH THAT'S RIGHT HE'S COMING. OKAY, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          [II.2. Storm Water Ordinance Presentation]
ALRIGHT. STORMWATER ORDINANCE PRESENTATION. COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE IS WALKING IN. WE'RE READY FOR THE PRESENTATION. OKAY, SO I HAD IT PUT ON THE AGENDA AND I THINK THE STORMWATER IS UNDER. WATER AND SEWER. SO. AND I DON'T SEE THE CITY. THE ATTORNEY HERE. SO IF WATER AND SEWER CAN GIVE AN UPDATE OR SOME TYPE OF PRESENTATION ON THE STORMWATER. 
          THE WATER AND SEWER DIRECTOR READY FOR THAT Y'ALL. STAFF YESTERDAY. I'M SORRY, MAYOR, DID YOU ASK IF THE STAFF WAS AVAILABLE FOR A PRESENTATION? YES. SO THIS STORMWATER ORDINANCE PRESENTATION IS ON THE AGENDA. I THINK IT WAS ON LAST WEEK'S AGENDA AS WELL, AND IT WAS PLACED ON AND THEN IT WAS PLACED ON TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRESENTATION, MORE OF A DISCUSSION FOR WORK SESSION. I SEE THE WATER RESOURCE DIRECTOR HERE. I'M NOT SURE IF SHE OR YOU TALKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER, I MEAN CITY ATTORNEY. 
          IF Y'ALL HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT FOR THAT. WELL, THE DIRECTOR IS HERE. I BELIEVE SHE WAS HERE TO TO ANSWER ANY Q AND A, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAS A PRESENTATION. WELL, IF SHE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. WELL, MISS ETCHEVERRIA WILL COME UP AND ANSWER ANY Q AND A THAT THERE MIGHT BE ON STORMWATER. I WASN'T SURE. HE ASKED, DID YOU? YES. LAST WEEK WHEN I STAYED, I HAD PRESENTED JUST THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE WHAT TYPE OF QUESTIONS I NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO I HAVE THE SAME PRESENTATION I JUST HAD 
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BROUGHT WITH ME LAST WEEK. OH, OKAY. DO YOU IS IT A SLIDE THAT YOU. YES. OKAY. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM MELISSA. I AM THE WATER AND SEWER DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT. SO TODAY I HAVE JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. I DO KNOW THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS INDICATING ABOUT IF THERE WAS AN APPEAL PROCESS, AND I CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE FULLY ARE AWARE OF WHAT THE PROGRAM ENTAILS. SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO ASSUME THAT THERE ARE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY SITTING ASIDE TO BE UTILIZED. WE HAVE FEDERAL MANDATES BY LAW THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE. FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT. THANK YOU. SO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM ENTAILS STREET SWEEPING THAT IS CONDUCTED DAILY. THE LEAF VACUUM PROGRAM. IN THE PAST, THOSE VEHICLES WERE PAID OUT OF UTILITY. IT HAS BEEN SHIFTED AND MOVED TO PUBLIC WORKS. BUT WE HAVE STATE AND FEDERAL MANDATE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY. WE ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE NATIONAL FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, COMMUNITY PROGRAM FOR FLOODPLAIN. WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, CREEK MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, CREEK AND STREAM BANK RESTORATION ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. WE CONDUCT REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE OF CITY STORM DRAIN NETWORKS. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR DISPOSAL FEES FOR STREET SWEEPING PROGRAM. WE CONDUCT STORMWATER ASSESSMENT AND ENGINEERING SERVICES FLOODPLAIN ASSESSMENTS. WE ASSIST WITH GIS MAPPING FOR STATE AND FEDERAL MANDATES. WE CONDUCT EMERGENCY REPAIRS. WE CONDUCT REQUIRED WATER QUALITY TESTING THROUGHOUT OUR WATERSHEDS IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT. INDUSTRIAL INSPECTIONS OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES, AND THEIR PERMITS TO DISCHARGE INTO WATERS OF THE STATE, AND STORMWATER STRUCTURE INSPECTIONS. HERE IS JUST A PHOTO OF OUR CCTV CAMERA THAT WE PURCHASED AND WHAT WE HAVE IN THE STORMWATER DIVISION. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT IS INUNDATED WITH TVS AND OTHER TYPES OF DEBRIS THAT OUR CREWS DAILY ARE REMOVING TO KEEP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. MAJORITY OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IN THE STORMWATER PROGRAM IS TO MEET CLEAN WATER ACT FEDERAL MANDATES. SO SINCE 2017, WITH THE STORMWATER PROGRAM BEING WITHIN THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT, WE'VE MAINTAINED 100% ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE WITH GEORGIA ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION DIVISION, NPDES PERMITS FOR OUR MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SYSTEM, AND ALSO OUR STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PROGRAM THAT IS IMPLEMENTED EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE'VE ALSO MAINTAINED 100% COMPLIANCE WITH THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY COMMUNITY RANKING SYSTEM SINCE 2013. NOW, IN THE EVENT THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS, THE CITY POSSIBLY IF WE'RE IN VIOLATION OF THAT NPDES PERMIT AND WITH THAT PERMIT DOES IT ALLOWS OUR STORMWATER NETWORK TO DISCHARGE INTO WATERS OF THE US. THAT MEANS WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE DISCHARGES, WHICH IS TRASH, DEBRIS, ANY TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTANTS. IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY DOES NOT MAINTAIN THE MS4 PERMIT, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE CLEAN WATER ACT AND THE STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION POLLUTION PLAN, I'M SORRY, WHICH IS ALSO A FEDERAL CLEAN WATER ACT VIOLATION. WE COULD BE FINED UP TO $50,000 PER DAY, OR $100,000 PER DAY PER VIOLATION FOR CLEAN WATER ACT VIOLATIONS. HERE'S JUST A PICTURE SHOWING YOU THAT WE OWN 5662 STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF EASTPOINT. THE STORMWATER PROGRAM. TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CLEAN WATER ACT, WE'RE REQUIRED TO INSPECT AND MAINTAIN 100% OF THOSE INFRASTRUCTURES EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND THIS IS ANOTHER PHOTO OF THE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER STRUCTURES THAT THE CITY OWNS. NEXT PAGE. SO HERE ARE JUST PHOTOS OF THE FEMA FLOOD. PANG. WE HAVE 1200 PARCELS OF LAND LOCATED IN THE FEMA FLOOD ZONE, AND THESE ARE JUST ADDITIONAL PICTURES WHERE YOU SEE WHERE IT CROSSES. 285 AND THEN YOU SEE THIS WHERE IT IS IN THE CAMP CREEK AREA IMPACTING THOSE RESIDENTS. AND THIS IS JUST A FEMA FLOODPLAIN 
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MAP, JUST TO INDICATE THE AREAS OF CONCERN WHERE WE MAY BE INUNDATED WITH FLOOD ISSUES AND EROSION ISSUES DURING FLOOD EVENTS. NOW, WE VOLUNTARILY PARTICIPATE IN A COMMUNITY RANKING SYSTEM. WE HAVE MAINTAINED A RANKING OF 6 OR 7, I BELIEVE SEVEN. EXCUSE ME, OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS AND YES, SEVEN OUT OF SEVEN. OH, SO IT'S OUT OF TEN OKAY. YEP. SO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM FOR THE 1200 PARCELS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE FLOODPLAIN, WE HAVE TO ADOPT AND ENFORCE STRICT DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES. WE'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE PLAN, REVIEW, STAFFING THAT CAN DETERMINE FLOODPLAIN. WE HAVE TO DEFINITELY CONSIDER ANY TYPE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THERE. AND SO THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM THAT WE PARTICIPATE TO OFFER DISCOUNTED FLOOD INSURANCE TO OUR RESIDENTS. WHO HOMES ARE LOCATED IN THE FLOODPLAIN. AND SO THIS IS JUST A MAP OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE THE CRS RANKING. AND AGAIN WHERE YOU SEE ROSWELL, YOU SEE SAVANNAH, YOU SEE THE CITY OF ATLANTA. 
          AND SO THE GOAL OF SHOWING YOU THE MAP IS TO SHOW YOU THAT JUST FOR A SMALL CITY, THAT ME AND MY STAFF ARE DOING EVERYTHING TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, EASTPOINT RESIDENTS WITH THE SAME SERVICES AS LARGER CITIES AND COMMUNITIES. AND SO WE HAVE 83 PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM. AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE TODAY, WE'VE HAD $741,000 IN LOSSES THAT HAVE BEEN REIMBURSED TO RESIDENTS WHO TAKE PART IN THAT PROGRAM AND HAVE HAD REPETITIVE LOSS CLAIMS ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND SO PEOPLE SAY ALL THE TIME THAT EASTPOINT OWNS WATER, AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. NO CITY, NO COUNTY OWNS WATERS. IT IS A PUBLIC GOOD. AND SO THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN STATE WATERS AND ALSO WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES. AND SO ANYTIME ANYONE SAYS ANYTHING IS STATE WATERS OR WATERS OF THE US, IT JUST INDICATES THAT THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO DOING WORK IN THOSE AREAS AND OR REGIONS. BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, JUST HOW WE TREAT WATER TO PROVIDE WATER TO YOU. EASTPOINT IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DAM WATER UP BECAUSE WE WOULD BE RESTRICTING DOWN STREAM COMMUNITIES FROM WITHDRAWING THAT WATER FOR DRINKING WATER PURPOSES. AND SO HERE AGAIN IS JUST SHOWING YOU THE DESIGNATED FLOODPLAIN AREAS. AND SO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WE HAVE BEEN BUSY EVERY TIME IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO. WE'VE HAD EXTENSIVE FLOOD EVENTS. AND DURING THAT TIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 3 TO 500FT WIDE IN SINKHOLES FORMING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WELL AS ONTO CITY PROPERTY TO THE POINT WHERE OUR STREETS WERE IN POSSIBLE REPAIR OR DAMAGE, WHERE EITHER IT WOULD BE A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE FOR FIRE AND POLICE, OR FOR OUR RESIDENTS ACCESSING THEIR HOMES. SO TODAY, WE'VE EXPENDED OVER $6 MILLION IN CRITICAL EMERGENCY REPAIRS. AND SO WHILE FLOODING DRAINAGE PATTERNS HAVE BEEN ALTERED AND CHANGED WITH DEVELOPMENT LEADING TO UNDERSIZED PIPES, THE ABSENCE OF STORMWATER REGULATION AND MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, CREEKS AND DITCHES WERE PIPED BY DEVELOPERS TO MAXIMIZE LAND AND PROFIT, AND THEY WERE INSTALLED BY THE DEVELOPER AND ARE LOCATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND OWNED BY THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. NOW, WE DO HAVE SOME EASEMENTS WHERE THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THOSE LINES, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS MANY THAT ARE LOCATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND SO THIS IS JUST A STORMWATER PROJECT HERE THAT WE JUST COMPLETED ON NORMAN BERRY DRIVE AT THE ANNEX. THE ROAD ITSELF WAS THREATENED TO BE POSSIBLY COLLAPSED. SO THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY PROJECT THAT WE UNDERTOOK. GO AHEAD. THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE COMPLETED AGAIN IN RESIDENTIAL AREA. JUST TO SHOW YOU THE EXTENT OF THE TYPE OF REPAIRS THAT THE STORMWATER PROGRAM HAS UNDERTAKEN. THIS IS ANOTHER CULVERT REPLACEMENT THAT WAS AN EMERGENCY. AND YOU SEE HOW CLOSE IT LIES CLOSE TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. AND THIS IS ANOTHER PIPE SEGMENT THAT WAS ALSO REPLACED. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST SHOWING UP AFTER HEAVY RAINFALL EVENTS. AND THIS IS ANOTHER MAJOR STORM LINE PROJECT THAT WE'VE JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED. AND AGAIN THIS WAS IN FRONT OF ORDINANCE GARDEN MAIN STREET. MAIN STREET WAS AT THE THREAT OF BEING FULLY COLLAPSED. AND ANOTHER STORM DRAIN PAIR THAT IS UNDERTAKEN BY US, THAT'S LOCATED IN A RESIDENTIAL 
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PROPERTY. AND AS YOU SEE HERE, IT'S COMPLETELY BLOCKED. THE SEGMENT OF THE PIPE COMPLETELY COLLAPSED. AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE GROUND. SO IT WAS NO WAY FOR THE WATER TO GO THROUGH. AND IF WE DID NOT INTERVENE IN THIS, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODING. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT. AGAIN, THESE ARE HUGE SINKHOLES THAT ARE JUST DEVELOPMENT AFTER MAJOR RAINFALL EVENTS. AND SO THIS IS JUST OUR STAFF DOING SOME CREEK MAINTENANCE. AND SO WE HAVE COMPLETED A CITYWIDE FLOODING AND STORMWATER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. THIS ASSESSMENT HAS PRIORITIZED MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WILL ALLEVIATE STORMWATER AND FLOODING ISSUES FOR NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          WE'VE COMPILED THIS INFORMATION FROM A PREVIOUS STORMWATER ASSESSMENT, AND WE'VE PRETTY MUCH ASSESSED THEM AND RANKED THEM BY URGENCY. AND HERE IS THAT LIST. THE YELLOW IS IN PROGRESS. THE RED IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PUSHED BACK, BUT THE GREEN IS WHAT WE COMPLETED. 
          AND AGAIN, THE NORMAN BERRY DRIVE WAS LISTED ON THAT ASSESSMENT. BUT IT COMPLETELY FAILED. BEFORE WE COULD ACTUALLY PLAN AND PUT IT OUT, WE HAD TO USE ALL CALL EMERGENCY SERVICES TO HANDLE THAT REPAIR. AND SO THIS IS THE REALITY. THESE ARE SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN IN OUR STORMWATER ASSESSMENT. AND THIS IS WHAT OUR STORMWATER PROGRAM MAINTENANCE, OUR STAFF AND OUR ENGINEERS ON STAFF ARE DOING EVERY DAY. SO THE STORMWATER UTILITY GENERATES 2.3 TO $2.8 MILLION PER YEAR. THIS YEAR, BUDGET INCLUDES 2.3 MILLION IN FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS AND CAPITAL PROJECTS. STORMWATER HAS $7.4 MILLION IN RESERVES. HOWEVER, $30 MILLION IS NEEDED FOR REPAIRS AND CRITICAL UPGRADES. WE PAY FOR THE ANNUAL LEASE PAYMENTS IN THE PAST FOR OUR STREET SWEEPER, BUT NOW WE ARE PURCHASING THEM IN FULL BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME AVAILABLE CASH FLOW. THE STORMWATER PROGRAM INCLUDES STAFF BENEFITS AND OPERATIONAL COSTS, AND AGAIN, MANY PROJECTS IN THE ASSESSMENT ARE COSTLY AND CROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UNDERTAKE LAND ACQUISITION AND RIGHTS IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS. IN THE MEANTIME, WE ALSO HAVE APPLIED FOR CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING FOR EARMARKS IS WELL IN THE PAST FOR MANY STORMWATER PROJECTS. AND SO THERE IS A COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. 
          THIS IS WHERE THE CITY PARTNERS TO SHARE COSTS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO ADDRESS STORMWATER CONDITION. IF THEIR PROPERTY IS BEING DAMAGED BY THE COLLECTION, CONCENTRATION OR FLOW OF SURFACE WATERS, THEY MAY FILE IN WRITING. THE OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING SUCH IMPROVEMENT, AND AN INVESTIGATION IS CONDUCTED IN. A RECOMMENDATION IS PROVIDED BY CERTIFIED STORMWATER STAFF AND THE CITY ENGINEER. IT'S BASED OFF OF FUNDING AVAILABILITY AND A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. AND SO IF A RESIDENT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THEY CAN REQUEST FOR STORMWATER INSPECTION BY EMAILING WATER UNDERSCORE SEWER AT EAST POINT CITY. ORG OR BY CALLING (404) 423-0344, AND RESIDENTS CAN ALSO UTILIZE THE INTERACTIVE GIS LINK ON THE WATER AND SEWER WEB PAGE IF THEY WANT TO DETERMINE IF THEIR PROPERTY IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN AREA. AND SO RECENTLY WE DID HAVE A RESIDENT INDICATE THAT THEY HAD A STORM SINKHOLE ON THEIR PROPERTY. WE DO DO A REALLY THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. WE WILL CT THEIR LINE. WE WILL ALSO CONTACT FULTON COUNTY AND GET A PROPERTY PLAT AND PROFILE. THE ISSUE IS IT'S THE RESIDENTS INDICATED THAT THEY CANNOT AFFORD IT AND SO THERE IS NO AFFORDABILITY CLAUSE IN THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS ISSUES LIKE THAT. AND ME AND MY STAFF ALSO, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCE TO DETERMINE IF SOMEONE CAN AFFORD A STORMWATER REPAIR OR NOT. AND SO IF ANYONE HAS ISSUES, TYPICALLY WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO THAT WE HAVE THEM SUBMIT A CLAIM TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE THAT IS ROUTED TO US AND ALSO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND THEN WE WOULD DO A REVIEW OF THAT ISSUE OR CONCERN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU. SO MY QUESTION IS, SO THERE IS NO IN THE IN THE CURRENT STORMWATER ORDINANCE, THERE IS NO APPEALS PROCESS. IT IS AN APPEAL PROCESS. IF SOMEONE FEELS, YES, THAT WATER COMING OFF OF THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY HAS DAMAGED THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, THERE IS AN APPEAL PROCESS. SO HOW DO THEY START THE APPEAL PROCESS? THEY JUST THEY USUALLY WILL COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND DO A COMMENT PERIOD. AND THEN WE HAVE THEM FILL OUT A CLAIM FORM. AND FROM THAT CLAIM FORM THAT COMPLAINT IS USUALLY ROUTED TO THE LEGAL TEAM. AND 
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THEN WE PROVIDE OUR ASSESSMENT AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE LEGAL OFFICE. OKAY. SO HAS ANY RESIDENT FILED THAT FILED THE APPEALS PROCESS. THEY HAVE. BUT THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS. SO SOMETIMES IN MOST CASES WHEN WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, THEY HAVE PUT STRUCTURES ALREADY ON THERE, MEANING THEY'VE ALREADY BLOCKED THE UNIT. AND THAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE FLOODING. AND SOME CASES WE'VE HAD NEGLECT WHERE PEOPLE MODIFIED THAT PIPE. BUT ALSO IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CLEARANCE TO REPAIR THE PIPE, EVEN THOUGH THE PIPE IS PRIVATELY OWNED, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY WANT, ESPECIALLY IF THE HOUSE HAS UNDERGONE SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURAL DAMAGE ALREADY. SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE SINKHOLES IN THEIR FRONT OR BACK YARD. THEY CAN GO THROUGH THAT APPEALS PROCESS. YES, YES. 
          THERE'S NO BOARD THAT WE NEED TO SET UP. THERE HASN'T BEEN A BOARD. AND SO I WOULD I WAS GOING TO SAY THE BOARD HASN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED SINCE THE ONSET OF THE STORMWATER UTILITY IN 2013. SO IF IT'S NOT UP TO THE BOARD, IT'S UP TO THE CITY MANAGER, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND THE LEGAL TEAM TO DETERMINE IF THE APPEAL SHOULD BE WARRANTED. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE APPEAL PROCESS. AND SO WE ASK PEOPLE TO FILE THE CLAIM WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. AND THEN IT'S TRICKLED DOWN TO THE STORMWATER CREW FOR US TO DO AN ASSESSMENT. AND THEN IT WILL BE BROUGHT BEFORE US. YES. TO DETERMINE. YES OKAY OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL. 
          YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I THINK YOU ANSWERED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS. 
          COULD YOU EXPOUND ON SO SAY IF YOU HAVE UNEXPECTED PROPERTY DAMAGE TO A RESIDENT'S YARD. 
          RIGHT. HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THAT? HOW'S THAT? SO WE DETERMINE IT. SO THE ISSUE IS IF THERE IS NOT AN EASEMENT ON YOUR PROPERTY, WHAT THE CITY OWNS THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE RESIDENT ACTUALLY OWNS THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IF IT IS DUE TO DETERIORATION OF THE PIPE, USUALLY WE DECIDE IF IT WOULD BE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT OR IF ONLY THE RESIDENT WILL BE THE ONLY PERSON BENEFITING FROM THAT REPAIR. SO IN SOME INSTANCES, WE'VE REPAIRED THE PIPE ON OUR SIDE AND THE RESIDENT HAS REPAIRED ON THEIR SIDE. SO IT JUST DEPENDS. EVERY SCENARIO IS DIFFERENT. I HAVE NEVER ONCE SEEN TWO HOMES OR TWO ISSUES ALIKE SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE CITY SINCE 2010. OKAY, SO AGAIN WE WILL PROVIDE. EXCUSE ME, WE WILL PROVIDE DETAILED PHOTOS. WE WOULD TELEVISE THE LINE AND SHOW THE RESIDENT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE ISN'T AN ISSUE. BUT IF THE PIPE IS COLLAPSED OR THERE'S A SINKHOLE AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A SINKHOLE AND IT'S NOT A PIPE COLLAPSE, IT'S JUST THE GROUND SETTLING OVER TIME. OR IF AFTER A RAIN EVENT. SO SOMETIMES IT'S NOT AN INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE. 
          OKAY. SO LET'S SAY IF IT IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE AND IT HAPPENS TO DAMAGE A RESIDENT'S YARD, ARE THEY STILL EXPECTED TO PAY OR IT DEPENDS IF IT'S A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. BECAUSE AGAIN, ALL STORM DRAINS ARE LEADING SOMEWHERE. RIGHT. AND SOMETIMES ESPECIALLY IF IT CROSSES 5 OR 6 PROPERTIES, IN CASES LIKE THAT, WE CAN NEVER GET EVERYONE TO JOIN FORCES OR ASSIST IN CASES WHERE WE KNOW IT CROSSES 5 OR 6 PROPERTIES, AND THE COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY BENEFIT EXISTS. WE WILL REPAIR THAT PIPE, BUT EVERY SCENARIO IS IT VARIES. AGAIN, I HAVEN'T SEEN TWO ISSUES. IT JUST DEPENDS. AND SO AGAIN, PEOPLE HAVE AN APPEAL PROCESS TO CONTACT AND FILE A CLAIM WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND THEN ALSO TO COME TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR A FURTHER REVIEW. EITHER WAY, THE STORMWATER, WE'RE STILL GOING TO DO AN ASSESSMENT AND PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION. SO WHEN THEY DO THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT WITH THE PEOPLE, IF THEY MAKE AN APPEAL WITH THE SAME PEOPLE, BE GOING BACK OUT TO ASSESS THE PROPERTY. 
          NO. AFTER WE ASSESS IT, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE WHAT THAT RECOMMENDATION IS THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. OKAY, SO WHEN THE SO I GUESS WE'LL BE BASING OUR APPEAL ON NEW EVIDENCE, RIGHT. WE WILL PROVIDE DETAILED PICTURES, PHOTOS, PLAT RECORDS TO INDICATE IF THE CITY OWNED THE PIPE OR IF IT'S A PRIVATELY OWNED PIPE, OR IF THERE'S A COMMUNITY BENEFIT IN REPAIRING THAT PIPE. OKAY. AND OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR ECHEVARRIA, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I WANT TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE APPEALS PROCESS. YOU STATED THAT TO GET THAT STARTED, A RESIDENT MUST COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND SPEAK OUT IN PUBLIC COMMENTS. IS THAT THE ONLY WAY? NO. IT'S JUST LATELY THAT'S BEEN THE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HAVE BEEN DOING. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY JUST FILE A CLAIM WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE THAT INITIATES THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS FOR THE STORMWATER, AND IT ALSO PUTS LEGAL DEPARTMENT ON NOTICE. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE CLAIM FORMS? IS THERE LIKE A A STANDARD FORM THAT THEY COULD COMPLETE. AND YES. COULD THEY FIND THAT FORM ON OUR WEBSITE. IT IS. YES. YES, IT'S UNDER THE 
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CITY CLERK'S DEPARTMENT AND IT'S A CLAIM FORM OKAY. SO CITY CLERK'S DIGITAL AND ALSO PEOPLE CAN PRINT IT OUT AND BRING IT ALSO TO THE CITY HALL BECAUSE I'VE MET WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THAT. YES. OKAY. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING. NO THEY DON'T. 
          AND COMPLETE THAT FORM AND SUBMIT THAT FORM. YES. OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION IS, I GUESS RELATING TO COMMUNITY BENEFITS. SO IF A PIPE IS RUNNING THROUGH A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I MISSTATE IF IT'S RUNNING THROUGH A PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE OWNED BY THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IF NO EASEMENT EXISTS. 
          OKAY. SO EVEN IF THAT PIPE IS HAS STORM WATERS THAT ARE TRAVELING AND TIE INTO THE CITY'S SYSTEM, IT IS STILL CONSIDERED PRIVATE PROPERTY. YES. SO IF THAT PROPERTY OWNER MAKES A DECISION TO DO SOMETHING ON THEIR PROPERTY WHERE THEY WILL BLOCK OR DO SOMETHING, CUT THAT PIPE OFF ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO THEN DOWN STREAM, THEY CAN'T DO THAT. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY AGAINST THAT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR ORDINANCE. NO RESIDENT CAN BLOCK THEM OR CONTRIBUTE TO BLOCKING ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED OR NOT. BECAUSE AGAIN, THE WATER IS A PUBLIC GOOD AND THAT STORMWATER IS USED TO RECHARGE OUR WATER RESOURCES SO THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO ANYTHING ON YOUR PROPERTY WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING AND GETTING A PERMIT TO DO THAT. OKAY, SO IT'S IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THEY CAN'T. AND WHEN I SAY PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT PIPE IS PROPERTY AND IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED AND THEY CANNOT ALTER OR CHANGE ANY OF THOSE THINGS WITHOUT A PERMIT. YES. 
          EVEN IF IT'S CAUSING EXTREME DAMAGE TO THEIR PROPERTY. YES. OKAY. AND SO IF THERE IS A NEED FOR REPAIR BECAUSE IT TIES INTO THE CITY'S SYSTEM, WOULD THAT NOT BE CONSIDERED A COMMUNITY BENEFIT? IT CAN. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE PIPE, THE DRAINAGE OF THE PIPE, THE FLOW GOING THROUGH THE PIPE AND THE DIRECTION OF THE PIPE. SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE ARE STRUCTURES THAT ARE PLACED ON STORM DRAINS. THAT'S THE WAY THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT THE CITY WOULD EVER ALLOW OR ACCEPT. AND SO IT'S A LIABILITY FOR US TO INTERVENE IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT IS A PRIVATELY OWNED PIPE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE HAD MORE STRINGENT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT ALLOW. SO IF THERE'S A HOUSE SITTING ON TOP OF A STORM DRAIN THAT HAS AN ISSUE, HOW COULD WE REPAIR IT WITHOUT DAMAGING THE HOME ITSELF? WE COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT. SO EACH CASE IS DIFFERENT. I'VE SAW A STORM DRAIN RECENTLY WHERE A MAN BUILT A GARAGE ON IT AND IT'S SINKING, AND HE IT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE SURVEY, BUT I FOUND IT ON HIS SURVEY. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S A PRIVATELY OWNED PIPE. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE BUY HOMES, WHEN YOU DO YOUR PLAT RECORD, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IT. PEOPLE JUST ASSUME THAT PIPES ARE THEY BELONG TO THE CITY, BUT THEY DON'T. AND THERE ARE SIGNS AND ALSO NOTES ON THE PLAN THAT SAYS THAT THE PIPES LAID ON THIS PROPERTY WAS LAID BY THE DEVELOPER, AND IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER. 
          THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE STILL TAKE CARE OF TODAY DURING PLAN PLANNING AND LRDP PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW OR HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY INSTANCES THERE ARE LIKE THAT IN THE CITY WHERE THERE IS A STRUCTURE, A A? EVERY DAY I SEE SOMETHING ODD. I'VE SEEN STORM DRAINS THAT GO THROUGH A PERSON'S BASEMENT RECENTLY. THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT COME UP AFTER EVERY TIME WE HAVE A FLASH FLOOD EVENT WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE CATCH BASINS OVERFLOW OR YOU SEE VEHICLES UNDERWATER, THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE THE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED OVERNIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN DETERIORATED OVER YEARS. AND THE WATER JUST KIND OF WASHED AWAY OR GOT UNDERMINED BY THE FLOOD. SO AGAIN, EVERY DAY I SEE SOMETHING UNIQUE IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT. OKAY. AND MY FINAL QUESTION, I THINK ONE OF THE PHOTOS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I THINK, WAS ALONG SUN VALLEY DRIVE. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS THE THE REAR OF SOME HOUSES. I HAD SOME RESIDENTS CALL ME AND THAT WAS. YES. AND TO LOOK AT THAT AND THERE'S A QUESTION THAT I HAD, I THINK THAT THE CITY HAS DONE SOME WORK IN THAT AREA, AND I THINK IT'S LIKE TWO OF THE CULVERTS MAYBE THAT WERE REPAIRED. AND THEY ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER. SO ARE THERE SOME INDUSTRY STANDARDS ABOUT HOW CLOSE THEY CAN BE TOGETHER? BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE HAVING BOTH OF THOSE CULVERTS SO CLOSE TOGETHER AND THE CREEK IS ONLY SO WIDE, AND THERE WERE THERE WAS DEBRIS IN THE CREEK. YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRIMED TO OVERFLOW. AND SO THAT'S THE THING. REMEMBER, WITH OUR STORMWATER DIVISION OPPOSED TO WATER AND SEWER, WE ACTUALLY INSTALLED WATER AND SEWER PIPE. THE STORMWATER DIVISION WE DON'T INSTALL ANY PIPE. WE DON'T DO ANY REPAIRS. THE WHEN ANY SOMEONE IS DEVELOPING ANY TYPE OF SUBDIVISION OR COMMON DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY WILL GRANT EASEMENTS TO THINGS THAT MEET OUR CRITERIA. AND DEPENDING ON HOW FAR OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IT IS, IF IT'S TOO 
          [00:35:04]
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
          WE'VE PROBABLY SPENT ABOUT $350,000 IN STORM DRAINAGE REPAIRS ALONG AND WITHIN THE SUN VALLEY COMMUNITY. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, SINCE I'VE BEEN A DIRECTOR HERE, OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE REACHED OUT AND SAID THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME ISSUES, PARTICULARLY IT'S ERODING THEIR THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR BACKYARD, THEIR FENCES ARE FALLING INTO THE CREEK. IT'S DIFFICULT THAT ON MEADOWLARK AS WELL. BUT WE'VE MADE ENHANCEMENTS. WE'VE CUT TREES DOWN. WE FOUND A FEW DETERIORATED PIPES. WE FOUND A SECTION WHERE THE STORM DRAIN WAS CONNECTED TO THE SEWER LINE. SO WE'VE MADE SOME ENHANCEMENTS TO SUN VALLEY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND SO IT'S EVER CHANGING. WHEN RESIDENTS TYPICALLY CALL US, WE DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION AND WE TELEVISE THE LINE. TELEVISING THE LINE WILL TELL US THIS IS A BREAK, IF IT'S ROOTS IN THE LINE, IF IT'S JUST A CLEANING, OR DO WE NEED TO DO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. SO WE HAVE MADE MANY CHANGES IN SUN VALLEY. 
          SO IF THE RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE THESE ISSUES, THEY SHOULD ISSUE A CLAIM THROUGH THE PROCESS. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. YES, THAT INITIATES THE PROCESS AND THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSES AND YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. I NOTICED ON ONE OF THE SLIDES YOU HAD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR THAT THE OWNER HAS TO MAINTAIN. I THINK IT WAS LIKE MAYBE THE SECOND OR THIRD TO THE LAST SLIDE. YES. FIRST SENTENCE. SO THAT'S SAYING IF YOU MAKE THOSE REPAIRS, YOU'RE NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE MAINTENANCE OR THE UPKEEP AFTERWARDS AFTER THE CITY DOES THEIR INITIAL REPAIR. 
          YES. ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE IT WAS A COMMUNITY. SO USUALLY YOU SEE MOST OF THESE HOUSES, YOU SEE THEY'RE MULTIPLE HOUSES IN CHAIN. WE'VE DONE EMERGENCY REPAIR OUT THERE, BUT IT'S JUST NO WAY FOR US TO DECIDE BETWEEN PROPERTY LINES, WHERE TO FIX A PIPE WHEN THE WHOLE PIPE ITSELF IS DETERIORATED. WE RECENTLY HAD A INSTANCE NOW WHERE UNDER LAW, WHERE A RESIDENT SAID THAT THERE'S A SINKHOLE AND THAT STORM DRAIN COST US SIX PROPERTIES WE HAVE SENT RIGHT. 
          AN ENTRY FORMS AND INFORMED RESIDENTS OF THE ISSUE TO SEE IF THEY WILL ALLOW US ACCESS TO DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THREE OF OUR CERTIFIED RECEIPTS WERE RETURNED BACK BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED. SO IT AGAIN, WHAT SPURS THIS IS SOME TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURE OR SINKHOLE. AND AT THE TIME WE'RE ASSESSING WHETHER IT'S WATER. 
          IT COULD BE SEWER SOMETIME OR SOMETIMES IT'S ALSO STORM OR SOMETIMES IT'S ALL THREE. OKAY. 
          THAT'S GOING TO LEAD TO ANOTHER ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS. SO NOW IF YOU HAVE A HOME THAT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN AREA, BUT THEY DO END UP HAVING SOME STORMWATER DAMAGE, YOU'RE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE YOU ENCOURAGED TO FILE A CLAIM? YES. OKAY. SO DO WE GO OUT AND MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN A FLOODPLAIN? YES. OKAY. AND WITH REGARDS TO JUST THE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE, THIS THE STORMWATER, THE PIPES, IS THERE 
          [00:40:01]
A PROCESS IN PLACE LIKE I KNOW YOU JUST SAID BEFORE THAT THERE'S A RESIDENT SAID THAT THERE'S A SINKHOLE. IT SPANS SIX PROPERTIES. SO DO DO YOU GO OUT OR YOU DO ACTUALLY INSPECTIONS OF JUST AREAS OR IS IT JUST BASED OFF OF. SO WE INITIALLY START WITH THE SINKHOLE IS BUT THAT'S USUALLY NOT THE CAUSE. AND ONCE THAT RESIDENT GIVES US A RIGHT OF ENTRY FORM BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNED PIPE, THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDE IF FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED, WE CAN TELL WHETHER THE PIPE IS COMPLETELY CORRODED OR NOT WHEN WE PUT THE CAMERA IN THERE. OKAY. SO YES, AND ROUGHLY ABOUT HOW MUCH OF EAST POINT ACTUALLY SITS LIKE IN FLOODPLAINS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS, WE HAVE 1200 PARCELS OF LAND. WOW. SO 1200 PARCELS OF LAND ACTUALLY SIT IN FLOODPLAINS. 
          YES. AND ONLY 83 OF THOSE PARTICIPATE IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM. NOW, IN SOME RESIDENTS MAY NOT EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN A FLOODPLAIN. HAVE WE SENT ANY SORT OF DOCUMENTATION OUT JUST TO LET THEM KNOW, JUST BECAUSE? YES. ON THE WATER AND SEWER WEBPAGE WE HAVE A GIS LINK. AND AGAIN YOU DO HAVE TO PUT YOUR ADDRESS IN THERE. IT I THINK IT'S USER FRIENDLY. BUT AGAIN IF ANYONE ANY RESIDENT WE'VE IF YOU JUST REQUESTED BY EMAIL I HAVE EMAILED AND MAILED BY CERTIFIED MAIL. ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN OR NOT, WE CAN DO THAT FOR RESIDENTS. OKAY, MAYBE IT WOULD BE GOOD, I DON'T KNOW, JUST A SUGGESTION IF FOR THOSE 1200 PARCELS, IF SOMETHING WAS SENT JUST TO THOSE RESIDENTS BECAUSE, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE SITTING HERE, WE'RE WATCHING THIS, THIS COUNCIL MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 1100 OF THESE PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, AREN'T WATCHING THIS MEETING, BUT JUST STILL SO THEY KNOW I THINK IT JUST BE SOME GOOD FYI FOR THEM TO KNOW SO THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE IF THEY'RE NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON THEIR INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THOSE FLOODPLAINS. BUT I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE CAN SEND THEM INFORMATION IN LETTERS. WE CAN DO THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. LET'S SEE. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILOR. NO, MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED EARLIER. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR GIVING A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE OVERVIEW OF THE STORMWATER. BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION. I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS. MAYBE IF THE CITY CAN POST SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE THAT JUST SAYS, HEY, IF YOU WANT TO CHECK AND SEE IF YOU'RE IN FLOODPLAIN, YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR ADDRESS. SO WHAT AREA IS MOST COMMON? THAT'S A FLOODPLAIN. IF YOU ARE NEARBY A CREEK OR A TRIBUTARY, MORE THAN LIKELY YOU ARE WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN. SO IF YOU HAVE A CREEK RUNNING IN YOUR BACKYARD. YES. AND THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE CAN INSTALL TO DAM OR HOLD BACK THOSE WATERS DURING A FLOOD EVENT, I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS ENHANCE OUR NETWORK, BUT IT'S ONLY CAN MAYBE CAPTURE AN INCH OF RAINFALL. IT'S NOTHING THAT CAN HOLD BACK THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX FEET OF WATER. AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS I SAW LIKE FURNITURE INTO THE CREEK. SO IS IT THAT PEOPLE PUT THAT THERE? IS IT WHEN IT RAINS HARD, IT PUSHES STUFF IN IT? I THINK ILLEGAL DUMPING. I THINK PEOPLE ARE ILLEGALLY DUMPING AND DOING THOSE FLASH FLOOD EVENTS. THE THOSE ITEMS ARE SHIFTING. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S TIRES. WE FOUND TVS, WE FOUND SOFA CUSHIONS INSIDE THE STORM DRAIN. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE SPECIFICALLY PUT HIM IN THERE. I THINK IT JUST TRANSVERSES AND MOVES DOWNSTREAM DURING THOSE FLASH FLOOD EVENTS. OKAY. I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT IT WENT AWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER LIGHTS ON. I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT FINES OF $50,000 A DAY AND ALL THE THINGS. HAVE WE BEEN ASSESSED A $50,000 FINE TODAY? NO, NO, NO, NO. SO SINCE 2017, I'VE HAD MANAGEMENT OF THE STORMWATER PROGRAM. AND WE HAVE BEEN MET 100% COMPLIANCE SINCE THEN. THERE WERE SOME ISSUES PRIOR, BUT AGAIN, I WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. BUT AGAIN, IT IS SERIOUS. AND TO JUST THE OVERALL THING IS THE CLEAN WATER ACT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MS4 AND THE STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN. IT ALSO TIES TO US AND OUR ABILITY TO BE A LOCAL ISSUING AUTHORITY TO ISSUE LAND DISTURBANCE 
          [00:45:05]
PERMIT, WHICH IS ALSO TIED TO THE CLEAN WATER ACT. SO AGAIN, OUR PRIORITY ALL THE TIME IS TO FUND THOSE PROGRAMS TO MEET COMPLIANCE SO THAT THE CITY IS NOT FINED 50 TO $100,000 A DAY. 
          WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN OUR SYSTEM, AND THERE ARE SOME MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERTAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MINIMIZE POLLUTING OUR WATERWAYS. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR AND THAT THERE WASN'T THIS NO, WE'RE 100%, 50, $50,000 A DAY AND MISINTERPRETATION OF WHAT WE IF YOU VIOLATE OR WE WE DO NOT FUND THOSE PROGRAMS TO CONTINUE WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY, THAT IS WHAT'S AT STAKE. BUT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND WE HAVE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE SINCE 2017. YOU MENTIONED THAT $30 MILLION IS NEEDED FOR REPAIRS AND UPGRADES TO THE STORMWATER, UTILITY OR STORMWATER SYSTEM. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MOST FUNDS COULD BE USED FOR? MUNICIPAL SALES TAX FUNDS? YES. 
          OKAY. AND DO WE HAVE ANY OF THE CURRENT MOST FUNDS SLATED FOR THOSE UPGRADES? NO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ANOTHER CLEAN WATER ACT VIOLATION IS MAKING SURE WE REDUCE OUR SEWER OVERFLOWS. SO REALLY RIGHT NOW IT'S PRIORITY PRIORITIZING WHAT WE CAN. BUT EVERY DAY THERE IS A CONTRACTOR WORKING ON BEHALF OF WATER, SEWER OR STORM EVERY DAY IN THE CITY. SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING IN THAT EFFORT. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE SINKHOLES AGAIN, EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT'S WHEN WE GET THE MOST CALLS FROM RESIDENTS OR ISSUES WHERE IT MAY IMPACT A ROADWAY FROM PEOPLE ACCESSING THE ROAD. SO THOUGH NOT ALLOCATED RIGHT, OR IT'S BEING PRIORITIZED, THAT THE MOST FUNDING COULD BE USED FOR STORMWATER. YES. UPGRADES AND REPAIRS. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FEDERALLY CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING. OUR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS AND DELEGATION HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY GENEROUS TO THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. DO YOU KNOW THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT THEY'VE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OVER THE YEARS? AND IF NOT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME IF YOU COULD PROVIDE IT. IT'S MAINLY BEEN FOR WATER AND SEWER MAINLY, BUT WE DID APPLY FOR $850,000 THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR THE NORMAN BERRY PROJECT, AND WE'RE JUST WAITING TO HEAR THE STATUS OF THAT APPLICATION AND THAT GRANT PROCESS. GREAT. AND SENATOR OSSOFF CALLED ME. HE'S ON APPROPRIATIONS PREVIOUSLY AND INDICATED HE WAS ABLE TO GET BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THAT AND OTHERS CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING, BUT IT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO THAT WAS A GOOD SIGN. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED CONFIRMATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S BEEN FINALLY APPROVED, BUT IT WAS MOVING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER LIGHTS ON. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU SEE SOMETHING REALLY QUICK. I THINK ALL THE REST OF YOUR ITEMS WENT TO CONSENT. SO. ALL RIGHT. WE NOW HAVE THE ATTORNEYS HERE, ATTORNEY AND 
          [II.1. Innovation TAD, Corridors TAD and Camp Creek TAD]
CONSULTANT HERE FOR THE INNOVATION TAG COURT JUDGE TAD AND CAMP CREEK TAD. SO I'LL INVITE UP ATTORNEY CHARLES JOHNSON ALONG WITH THE. JEFF. I DON'T WANT TO MISPRONOUNCE THE LAST NAME. KOSKEY KOSKI IS JUST LISTENING. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I AM CHARLES JOHNSON. I AM ONE OF THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT. AND WE HAVE BEEN CONTACTED AND ASKED TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE IN THE CREATION OF A TAX ALLOCATION DISTRICT TO SUPPORT REDEVELOPMENT ON AND AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE OWENS, ILLINOIS SITE AND THE WEST END OF THE OF THE CITY. LET ME JUST SAY THAT THIS THE CITY HAS HAD THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE TEDS SINCE 2001, WHEN THE VOTERS OF THE CITY OF EAST POINT APPROVED A REFERENDUM GIVING THE CITY ALL THE POWERS THAT EXIST UNDER THE POWERS LAW. AND SO SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE CREATED TWO TAGS THE CAMP CREEK TAD AND THE CORRIDORS TAD. AND IN JANUARY 3RD OF 2023, THE THIS COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT AUTHORIZED THE TERMINATION OF THE CAMP CREEK TAD. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE A TAD FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS SPECIAL LOCAL LAW THAT'S THAT'S RATIFIED BY THE REFERENDUM. AND THEN YOU YOU CANNOT CREATE A TAD WHEN TO DO SO WOULD CAUSE TAD'S IN YOUR CITY TO BE MORE THAN 10% OF, OF YOUR TAX BASE. AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY 
          [00:50:08]
IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CLOSE TERMINATE THE CAMP CREEK. TAD. WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT SOME THINGS TO BE DONE TO TO PUT A PUT A BOW ON THAT. BUT BASICALLY IN ORDER TO CREATE A FUND THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ASSIST. INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTING REDEVELOPMENT AT THIS SITE, YOU WOULD THAT THAT TO HAVE THOSE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN 2026, YOU NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION BY JANUARY. BY DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR, CREATING A TAD AND ADOPTING A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND AND THE TO PASS THAT RESOLUTION, YOU HAVE TO ALSO APPROVE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER THE PLAN. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO RETAIN. KB ADVISORY GROUP. THEY ARE A FIRM THAT DOES REDEVELOPMENT PLANS THEY'VE DONE ALL OVER THE STATE. THEY ASSISTED THE CITY OF EAST POINT IN CREATION OF THE AMENDED REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CORRIDOR. AND SO THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, AND THEY WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD TAKE THE, THE, THE, THE BIGGEST OR IN GETTING THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND APPROVE. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE VOTE TO CREATE YOU TO APPROVE THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THEN THE TAD IS CREATED AS OF DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR. SO THE FUNDS WOULD BE AVAILABLE. THE FUNDS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE WOULD BE WHAT WHATEVER INCREASE EXISTS OVER. SO WHATEVER TAX IS BEING GENERATED BY THAT SITE NOW WOULD CONTINUE TO GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND. BUT WHAT WOULD GO INTO A SPECIAL FUND FOR THE TAD WOULD BE ANY FUNDS THAT WOULD REPRESENT AN INCREASE OVER THAT BASE, THAT THAT IS EXIST AS OF THE END OF THE YEAR. AND HERE TO DISCUSS MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHAT'S REQUIRED TO PUT TOGETHER A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS MR. KOSKI OF KB ADVISORY GROUP. THANK YOU. ATTORNEY JOHNSON, MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. I'M BACK. WE HAD FUN LAST YEAR AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. SO THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT RIGHT. SO THE KB IS MY FIRM. WE HELPED YOU ALL WITH YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. AND WE GOT THAT APPROVED BY Y'ALL. APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS ACTUALLY NOW AN IMPLEMENTATION TOOL THAT'S LISTED IN THAT PLAN. IT. WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY PLANNING TO BE BACK HERE AT THIS POINT. BUT HERE WE ARE. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY SO WE HELP CITIES AND COUNTIES AROUND THE STATE OF GEORGIA SET UP THOSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLANS, THEIR TEN YEAR PLANS. RIGHT. SO THEY'RE LONG RANGE LONG VISION. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU'LL BE USING THAT PLAN AGAIN AND AGAIN. BUT WHEN YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT THEORETICALLY OUGHT TO FIT UNDER THAT PLAN. AND SO THIS IS A TOOL THAT FITS UNDER THAT UNDER THAT PLAN TAB. RIGHT. AND SO AGAIN THIS IS THE SECOND BIG THING THAT WE DO IN OUR FIRM IS TO WRITE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS TO SET UP PADS. WE'VE DONE THIS ABOUT 50 TIMES. SO WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO TOGETHER IS NOT DONE VERY OFTEN THIS FAST. I'LL JUST TELL YOU AGAIN, WE SET UP ALMOST EVERY TAD IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS. VERY FEW OF THEM HAVE BEEN SET UP IN THREE MONTHS. WE CAN DO THIS. I'M HERE FOR YOU. 
          WE JUST GOTTA WORK AT THIS TOGETHER. IF YOU WANT A TAD I CAN GET. I CAN HELP YOU GET A TAD, BUT IT'S IT'S A IT'S GOING TO BE A CHURN AND BURN KIND OF THING. AND IT'S THE KEY HERE IS THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO LOCK IN THE BASE. SO THIS IS THE LANGUAGE WE'RE USING. WE WANT TO LOCK IN THE PROPERTY TAX BASE AT 2025 VALUES, BECAUSE IN 2026, PROPERTY VALUES WILL START TO GO UP. AND IF WE HAVE THE TAD CREATED, THOSE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES WILL FLOW INTO THE THE TAD FUND NOW. AND THE TAD FUND IS WHAT YOU CAN USE TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH SUCH AS THE OWENS ILLINOIS REDEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. SO THIS IS SORT OF POTENTIALLY LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR HELP THERE. BUT MISS MAYOR HAS INSTRUCTED US THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT THAT. THIS IS ABOUT GROWING THE TAX BASE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. AND SO LET'S DO THIS RIGHT BECAUSE THEY DON'T COME ALONG VERY OFTEN. SO THAT'S MY PREAMBLE. I'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY ABOUT TAD I GIVE. THIS IS A MODIFICATION OF A TAD PRESENTATION I GIVE TO NEW DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY DIRECTORS AROUND THE STATE OF GEORGIA. SO AGAIN THIS YOU'VE CAUGHT ME IN ONE OF MY SPECIALTIES HERE, SO I CAN TALK ALL NIGHT LONG ABOUT 
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TEDS. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. SHOULD I TALK FOR 15 MINUTES AND THEN GIVE YOU GUYS CHANCE TO PEPPER ME WITH QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO IT'S 30 AFTER, SO I GOT 15 MINUTES. I GOT A LOT. I CAN TALK A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. SO IF YOU DON'T HEAR SOMETHING YOU WANT TO KNOW, THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN ASK. OKAY. SO FIRST OF ALL TAD IS A PUBLIC INCENTIVE. IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL. YOU'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PUBLIC POLICY TO ACHIEVE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S SORT OF THE BIG PICTURE PUBLIC POLICY. WE'RE GOING YOU YOU ALL WILL ARE GIVING YOURSELVES ANOTHER TOOL TO HELP CREATE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. WHY DOES THE PUBLIC WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN PRIVATE THINGS? RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE PUBLIC POLICIES TO ACHIEVE. YOU CAN HELP ACHIEVE BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS IN EASTPOINT WITH A TAD THAN YOU COULD WITHOUT A TAD. THAT'S THE IDEA, THE PHILOSOPHY HERE, RIGHT? YOU ALL. I TALK ABOUT TAD'S ALMOST LITERALLY EVERY DAY AROUND THE STATE OF GEORGIA. I TALK ABOUT YOU ALL. YOU ARE A SUCCESS STORY IN TAD'S, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF TAD NUMBER ONE, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE, AS ATTORNEY JOHNSON MENTIONED. BUT THE CAMP CREEK TAD WAS A WAS A WAS A WILD SUCCESS. RIGHT. AND SO I I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW THE STORY. I CAN TELL YOU THE STORY, BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL IT BETTER. YOU SET UP TAD NUMBER ONE, CAMP CREEK PARKWAY, AND IT BLEW THE DOORS OFF AND YOU GOT CAMP CREEK PARKWAY TO THE EXTENT NOW YOU GOT TOO MUCH TRAFFIC THERE. 
          BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY. YOU DON'T NEED TAD NUMBER ONE ANYMORE. AS FAR AS AS ATTORNEY JOHNSON SAID, YOU GOT RID OF THAT TAD, WHICH IS GOOD. AND NOW YOU'VE GIVEN YOURSELF ROOM TO DO MORE TAD'S. YOU HAVE TAD NUMBER TWO, AND I WANT TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY HARD AT WORK ON THIS. BUT WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT TAD NUMBER TWO FIRST. IT'S INTERESTING THAT IN 2017, Y'ALL YOUR BODY. MAYOR, I BELIEVE YOU WERE ON THAT BOARD IN 2017. YOU AMENDED THAT TAD. 
          WE HELPED MY FIRM WAS CALLED BLAKELY ADVISORY GROUP BACK THEN. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE HELPED YOU WITH THAT. BUT THE DOCUMENTATION ON THAT IS A LITTLE WE'RE WE'RE MAKING SURE WE GOT THE RIGHT DOCUMENTATION RIGHT NOW LITERALLY AS WE SPEAK. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SORTED OUT BY THE END OF OCTOBER. SO STARTING IN ON OCTOBER 30TH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TAD NUMBER TWO. JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE THERE'S ABOUT 590 PARCELS. SO NOT AS MANY THAT ARE ON YOUR STORMWATER LIST BUT 590 PARCELS. WE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE OUR IN OR OUT OF THAT TAD, BECAUSE WE THINK THE TAD NUMBER THREE IS GOING TO SORT OF TOUCH TAD NUMBER TWO IN PLACES. AND ONE PARCEL CANNOT BE IN TWO TAD'S. SO THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS PART RIGHT. THE LEGAL PART RIGHT. SO THAT WE HAVE A PARCEL THAT IS ONLY A ONE TAD. AND IF IT'S ALREADY IN TAD TWO IT CAN'T BE IN TAD THREE. AND SO WE JUST GOT TO GET THAT PART RIGHT. AND SO WE'LL BE BACK. SO I'M PLANNING TO BE BACK TWO MORE TIMES. ONE TIME FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE GOTTA HAVE AT ONE TIME FOR A VOTE. IF YOU ALL WANTED TO GET IT THERE, THIS IS UP TO YOU. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE SEEN DONE MANY, MANY TIMES. I GOTTA COME BACK. I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK. YOU CAN DO THIS ON YOUR OWN. BUT NEXT TIME I COME, I'LL GIVE YOU SPECIFICS. NOT ONLY ABOUT TATTOO. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'LL THEN TALK VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TAD THREE. THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE GOT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. WE GOT TO CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING DOWN AND SAY NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. ONLY THEN CAN YOU VOTE ON HAVING A TAD NUMBER THREE. SO THEN THERE'LL BE A NEXT MEETING IN WHICH YOU ALL VOTE ON IT IF YOU WANT TO. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ALL UP TO YOU ANYWAY. POINT IS, IS THAT THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE GOTTA FOLLOW IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE. JUST TO STICK WITH TAD NUMBER ONE. IT WAS A WILD SUCCESS. WE TALK ABOUT IT A LOT IN TAD WORLD. YOU BLEW THE DOORS OFF. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE RUNNING SHORT ON TIME AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ASK ME AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU WANT TO. TAD. NUMBER ONE IS, AS ATTORNEY JOHNSON MENTIONED, WAS. 
          THIS TERMINATED? IS THAT FAIR TERMINATED? WHICH WAS A GOOD MOVE. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S YOUR HISTORY THAT YOU ALL KNOW. I JUST SORT OF RESTATING FOR THE RECORD, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. AND JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, TAD'S SOME OF YOU ALL BECAUSE EVERY I TALKED, I LITERALLY TALKED TO DOZENS OF CITY COUNCILS AROUND THE STATE OF GEORGIA ABOUT TAD'S THIS YEAR. NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT THESE THINGS. IT'S FINE. BUT TONIGHT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT TAD IS SO YOU CAN SPEAK THE LANGUAGE SO YOU SORT OF KNOW WHERE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT READY TO TALK ABOUT TAD THREE YET, BUT THIS IS JUST SORT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME. RIGHT. SO TAD'S AND TAD INCENTIVES ARE NOT NEW TAXES. THEY'RE NOT PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS. YOUR DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF FULTON COUNTY CAN DO TAX ABATEMENTS. 
          THIS IS THIS IS NOT A TAX ABATEMENT. IT'S ALSO NOT AN SSD OR A CED. THOSE ARE GREAT TOOLS. 
          BID YOU ALL HAVE A BID. THIS IS NOT THAT THEY CAN WORK WELL TOGETHER, BUT THIS IS A SEPARATE THING. TAD'S YOU SOME PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE TONIGHT ARE GOING TO END UP IN TAD NUMBER THREE. IT WON'T RAISE THEIR TAXES. IT WON'T DO ANYTHING TO THEIR PROPERTY TAX 
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BILL. IT MAY END UP SAYING TAD THREE ON IT. THAT'S ALL THEY'LL DO. THEIR PROPERTY TAXES BILL. 
          IT WON'T RAISE IT. IT WON'T BE A NEW MILLAGE. IF YOU'RE IN TAD THREE. IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE IN AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRIORITY ZONE. AND SO IT'S GOING TO MOSTLY BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. NOT TO SAY THAT WON'T BE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THERE. ALTHOUGH IF YOU ALL TOLD ME TONIGHT, DON'T YOU NOT DARE PUT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THERE. WE WON'T PUT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THERE. WE TRY TO KEEP RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OUT. SOMETIMES THEY NEED TO BE IN THERE. FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS DO NOT GET EXTRA TAXED. OKAY. IT ALL HAPPENS ABOUT WHERE THE WHERE THE MONEY FLOWS WHEN YOU'RE DONE. ALRIGHT, I'VE BEEN FIVE MINUTES. ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S THE COVER OF YOUR TAD NUMBER TWO WHICH GOT AMENDED. BUT JUST AGAIN JUST TO SAY THE WORDS OUT LOUD SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. RIGHT? THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL AND YOU'RE BY PUTTING A PARCEL IN A TAD, YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A PRIORITY SITE AND YOU'RE SAYING WITHIN THIS AREA WE'RE HOPING TO GROW PROPERTY TAXES. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ALL THE GROWTH AND PROPERTY TAXES INSIDE THE TAD, AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT TO GROW THIS AREA. I'M GOING TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. MOST STATES CALL THIS TIF TAX INCREMENT FINANCING. IF YOU EVER HEAR ABOUT TIF, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAD. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TIF. WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME FOR IT IN GEORGIA, PERIOD. THERE'S NO IFS OR SORT OF OR WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME FOR IT. IT'S IT'S OUR TOOL. ALRIGHT. SO HERE IS THE TAD NUMBER TWO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING OUT RIGHT NOW. THIS IS THE COVER OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO WE'RE WORKING ON TAD REDEVELOPMENT. OUR TAD TAX ALLOCATION DISTRICT TAD NUMBER THREE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE'RE WORKING ON THIS. THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE FOR NUMBER TWO YOU CAN SEE WHO WAS ON THE COUNCIL. THEN I JUST FIGURED YOU ALL MIGHT BE INTERESTED. WHO WAS ON THE COUNCIL THEN. WE'RE SORTING THIS OUT. WE'LL HAVE THIS FIGURED OUT BY OCTOBER 30TH. AND THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU ON YOUR BEHALF, TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO SAY YES TO TAD. NUMBER THREE, THIS PLAN, IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, THERE'S 95 PAGES IN TAD NUMBER TWO PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SHORTER, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORDS AND NUMBERS. BUT YOU GOTTA PASS THIS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AFTER YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR IN ORDER TO LOCK IN THE BASE. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IF I'M PUTTING YOU TO SLEEP, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I JUST FIGURED, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS, LET'S GET IT OUT OF THE WAY. SO BECAUSE YOU GOTTA SAY YES OR NO TO THIS, ALRIGHT. JUST SO YOU KNOW, TAD'S ARE GROWING IN GEORGIA. THIS ACTUALLY DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE CAMP CREEK TAD, BECAUSE YOU ALREADY CLOSED IT BY 2024. SO WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT TAD'S THAT WERE ACTIVE. THEY'VE DOUBLED IN IN GEORGIA YOU'VE ALREADY GOT TWO. I'M JUST SAYING THEY'VE BECOME MORE AND MORE USEFUL TO DO THINGS LIKE TURN FACTORIES INTO SOMETHING USEFUL AND REDEVELOP MALLS. RIGHT. TAD'S ARE BEING USED TO REDEVELOP MALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS NOT AN EXOTIC TOOL. THIS IS A FAST GROWING TOOL. WE PASSED 5 OR 6 OF THESE PLANS EVERY YEAR. THEY'RE GOVERNED, AS ATTORNEY JOHNSON MENTIONED BY THIS ONE VERY SPECIFIC LAW. ONE THING TO NOTE HERE IS TITLE 36. CHAPTER 61 IS ALL THE OTHER REDEVELOPMENT PLANS YOU'VE EVER DEALT WITH IN YOUR TIME. IF SOMEONE SAID, I GOTTA REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT WASN'T ABOUT TAD. UNLESS THEY SAID IT WAS ABOUT 64, 44, 36, 44. VERY SPECIFIC. THIS IS WHY THE PEOPLE CALL KB, BECAUSE WE KNOW ABOUT THIS LAW MORE THAN WE KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER LAW. EVERY OTHER PLANNING FIRM IS THE OPPOSITE. WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH TAD'S? THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS. YOU CAN BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU CAN FIX STORMWATER. IF THERE'S STORMWATER PROBLEM INSIDE A TAD, YOU CAN USE PROPERTY TAX GROWTH TO TO TO FIX THAT STORMWATER. IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO. YOU CAN ALSO CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT. YOU CAN CHOOSE TO ENTER IN A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD THINGS, INCLUDING FIXING THE STORM DRAIN AS PART OF A REDEVELOPMENT SO YOU CAN DO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH TAD'S. WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE THAT THERE FOR NOW. BUT THE LAW IS VERY PERMISSIVE, AND THERE ARE CITIES IN GEORGIA THAT ARE USING TAD'S REALLY INTERESTING WAYS THAT I'M HAPPY TO TELL YOU ABOUT, BUT NOT TONIGHT. YOU ALL WILL BE A REDEVELOPMENT AGENT OF THIS TAD, JUST LIKE YOU ARE WITH YOUR OTHER ONES. AND THAT MEANS YOU GET YOU CONTROL THE PURSE STRINGS. YOU GET TO DECIDE HOW THE MONEY IS SPENT, UNLESS YOU GIVE THAT AUTHORITY TO SOMEONE ELSE AND THAT AUTHORITY WOULD GO TO A DIFFERENT AUTHORITY. SO YOU COULD EITHER SET UP A SEPARATE AUTHORITY JUST TO GOVERN THIS TAD, OR YOU COULD PASS THE PA, THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, OFF TO AN AUTHORITY LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT YOUR DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. GWINNETT, SET UP AN ENTIRE AUTHORITY JUST TO GOVERN THEIR COLLECTION OF TAD'S. SOUTH. FULTON'S HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. IT'S KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH. MOST CITIES JUST Y'ALL ARE THE 
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THE THE CONTROL, THE PURSE STRINGS, THE COUNCIL, THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENT STAYS WITH THE COUNCIL. BUT YOU NEED TO DECIDE THAT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE PUT IN THE PLAN. OKAY. THESE OTHER THINGS WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT IN DATES. EVERYONE ALWAYS ASKS, WELL, HOW LONG IS THIS GOING TO END? OUR LAST? THE ANSWER IS IT'S UP TO YOU. WE TRY TO KEEP IT AS BROAD AS WE CAN PER THE LAW. THE KEY HERE IS THAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS SOME. 
          IF YOU USE THE TAD TO INCENTIVIZE A DEVELOPER AND ISSUE BONDS, OR JUST USE IT TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE BONDS WITH WHICH YOU CAN DO, AS LONG AS YOU'RE SPENDING THE MONEY INSIDE THE TAD. YOU GOTTA HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THE TAD TO COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY OFF THOSE BONDS THAT NOW IT GETS COMPLICATED. WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE WEEDS THERE. BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU GOT TO GIVE YOURSELF LONG ENOUGH TIME TO COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY OFF THE DEBTS THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE CREATING AT THE FRONT END OF THIS. TAD. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. YOU'RE SORT OF SAYING, WE'RE COLLECTING MONEY FOR THE NEXT X NUMBER OF YEARS, AND WE'RE GOING TO USE IT TO PAY OFF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS UP FRONT. RIGHT? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS OR ONE POINT. SO THIS IS A CLASSIC DIAGRAM. I DIDN'T INVENT THIS, BUT EVERYBODY USES IT. AND I STILL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. THIS IS I GOT FIVE MINUTES OF MY 15 MINUTES. I'LL TRY TO GO AS FAST AS I CAN. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU PROBABLY WANT TO KNOW TONIGHT IS THE TECHNICALLY, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WHEN YOU APPROVE THAT REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. ATTORNEY JOHNSON'S GOING TO WORK ON GETTING THE PAPERWORK TO THE STATE, THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE. THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THE STATE'S EVER INVOLVED. THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE JUST MAKING A NOTE OF WHAT THE BASE VALUE IS. AND SO IT'S IN THEIR RECORDS. THE REST IS WITH THE TAX ASSESSOR. SO THE, THE, THE THE BASE VALUE, WHATEVER PROPERTY TAXES ARE BEING COLLECTED OFF THAT TAD IN 2025, THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL CONTINUE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL CONTINUE TO COLLECT. THE SCHOOLS WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT, AND THE COUNTY WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT EVERYTHING, STARTING IN ANY INCREASE IN 2026 AND LATER IS GOING INTO THE TAD FUND. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO PAY BACK THE BONDS OR PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, OR DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT. YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER IT. ONE KEY THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET IS THAT THE SCHOOLS AND THE COUNTY HAVE TO GIVE THEIR CONSENT AS WELL. THEY THEIR BODIES HAVE TO CHOOSE TO ENTER TO YOUR TAD, WHICH THEY DID PREVIOUSLY. YOU PROBABLY KNOW CITY OF ATLANTA IS HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT TAD'S. AND SO I DON'T THAT'S MOSTLY POLITICS. 
          DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. BUT ALL I DO KNOW IS WHEN YOU SET UP A TAD, YOU'LL HAVE A TAD, BUT IT'LL ONLY BE YOUR MILLAGE RATE. YOU GOT TO GET THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOLS TO PUT THEIR MILLAGE RATE IN THROUGH A RESOLUTION VOTE, JUST LIKE YOU ALL BE DOING. BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST. CORRECT. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY HERE AND AND MAYBE JUST SORT OF WRAP IT UP SO YOU CAN START ASKING ME. BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT? THE WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? A YOU'RE CREATING JOBS RIGHT IN THE TAD. YOU'RE GROWING THE TAX BASE. AT FIRST YOU'RE ONLY KEEPING THE TAX BASE IN THE TAD. SO WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO? BUT IT'S A LONG GAME. THE POINT IS IT'S A LONG GAME. SO THAT THE IDEA IS THIS LAND THAT YOU'RE THESE PARCELS THESE IT COULD BE TWO PARCELS. IT COULD BE ONE PARCEL IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE. 
          IT COULD BE ONE PARCEL, IT COULD BE 1000 PARCELS. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A COUPLE HUNDRED PARCELS, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED PARCELS. YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS OUR PRIORITY? WE THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW THE TAX BASE HERE. BUT UNLESS WE GET INVOLVED, WE THE CITY TO PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO DO THE THINGS, THIS ISN'T GOING TO GROW, RIGHT. THAT'S SOMETIMES CALLED THE BUT FOR RIGHT. SO BUT FOR US HAVING THIS TAD THIS AREA AIN'T GOING NOWHERE. BUT SINCE WE HAVE A TAD, WE GOT AN ABILITY TO DO SOME THINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO GROW THE PROPERTY TAX BASE FOR A FEW YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HANG ONTO THOSE PROPERTY TAX INCREASES IN THE SPECIAL FUND TO PAY OFF ALL THE DEBT. AND THEN EVENTUALLY, JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH CAMP CREEK. SEE, THIS IS NOT LIKE I'M NOT MAGICALLY THINKING HERE. THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH CAMP CREEK. YOUR GENERAL FUND GREW JUST WHEN YOU SAID, WE DON'T WANT THE TAD ANYMORE. THAT MONEY THAT WAS GOING INTO THE TAD FUND IS NOW GOING INTO YOUR GENERAL FUND. AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE IDEA OF WHY, YOU KNOW, THE LONG GAME OF WHY YOU WOULD DO A TAD AND WHY THE SCHOOLS WOULD CARE TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE IT HELPS THEM GROW THEIR PROPERTY TAX BASE LONG TERM. THAT'S THE IDEA. SO AGAIN, I GOT ALL SORTS OF THINGS TO SAY. THERE'S LOTS OF BENEFITS. ALL THESE OTHER THINGS OVER HERE DO NOT NECESSARILY GO INTO YOUR TAD FUND. SO BY BY BY INCREASING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TAD, THESE OTHER THINGS MAY HAPPEN INSIDE THE TAD OR OUTSIDE THE TAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT CAPTURED BY THE TAD FUND. SO ALL OF THIS STARTS FLOWING THE MINUTE IT HAPPENS. IT'S ONLY PROPERTY TAXES THAT FUND THE TAD FUND, SO I'LL LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN 15 MINUTES AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT TO GO ON THIS LIKE YOU'VE TOLD ATTORNEY JOHNSON THAT YOU WANT TO GO ON THIS JOURNEY. SO I'M 
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HERE TO GO WITH YOU. WE CAN DO IT. BUT I PROBABLY NEED TO BE BACK HERE TWO MORE TIMES FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN FOR YOUR VOTE SOMETIME BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. I THINK YOU GOT FIVE MEETINGS LEFT, PROBABLY THREE ONE BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND. YEAH. YEAH. 
          HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU WANT ME HERE? YOU JUST TELL ME. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION BY CHANCE. CAN YOU SHARE THESE SLIDES WITH US? YEAH. AND THERE'S A LOT MORE SLIDES, TOO. 
          THERE'S. IT'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND STUFF. NO, IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PREPARING IT FOR US. COUNCIL MEMBER FREELY. THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I JUST HAD A QUESTION. I WANTED YOUR OPINION ON THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENT. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION OR IS THERE A DISTINCTION? WHY? SOMETIMES IT'S MOST OF THE TIME IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL, SOMETIMES IT'S DELEGATED TO ANOTHER AUTHORITY. ANY REASONS FOR THAT OR OPINIONS ON THAT. SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT THAT THAT HAS BEEN WHAT YOUR PREDECESSORS HAVE SAID. THEIR PREFERENCE IS. SO PREVIOUS MAYORS AND COUNCIL HAVE SAID THEY WANT TO BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT ON THIS AND NOT HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE BE IN CONTROL. AND I WOULD SAY, LIKE I SAID, MAJORITY OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY FOR CITIES, MOST CITY COUNCILS WANT TO HANG ON TO IT. I WOULD SEE MORE COUNTIES BECAUSE THEY GOT SO MUCH GOING ON. THEY'RE BIGGER, BIGGER THINGS MORE, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER THEY'VE SET UP. LIKE I SAID, GWINNETT COUNTY SET UP A SPECIAL ONE. SOME HAVE PASSED IT OFF TO THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. I MEAN, I'LL JUST BE HONEST. LIKE THAT USUALLY COMES DOWN TO A RELATIONSHIP THING, RIGHT? LIKE, DO YOU? THIS SOUNDS TERRIBLE. AND I DON'T MEAN THIS IS NOT PERSONAL TO ANYBODY, BUT DO YOU TRUST THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TO DO THIS OR NOT? LIKE, ARE THEY THE PEOPLE THAT YOU I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR DECISION TO PASS. YOU ALL CONTROL THE THE TAXES OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ELECTED. SO YOU GET TO CALL. DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? YOU PASS IT OFF TO DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BASED ON REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOUR RELATIONSHIP OF HOW YOU WANT TO GET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DONE IN EASTPOINT. SO I WILL I WILL ADD ONE THING, THOUGH, THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, AND AND NOT WAIT TILL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. AND IT CAN CREATE WHAT WE DID WAS CREATE A MECHANISM WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WE DELEGATED A, AN, AN AGENT TO MAKE CERTAIN KINDS OF DECISIONS BELOW A CERTAIN THRESHOLD. SO, SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY THIS IF YOU KNEW FOR SURE WE COULD WRITE IT INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, I ALMOST WOULD SAY, DON'T DO THAT. I WOULD SAY, I THINK WE HAVE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT TO GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT IT NOW. I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST MAKE THE CITY COUNCIL THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENT, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PASS IT OFF JUST BY ANOTHER RESOLUTION TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO DOWN THE ROAD, UNLESS I WOULD SAY WHATEVER MAKES IT THE MOST EXPEDIENT TO GET IT PASSED IN 2025, BECAUSE YOU CAN GET ANOTHER BITE AT THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE APPLE. WHAT YOU CAN'T GET ANOTHER BITE IN IS LOCKING IN THE BASE OF THE TAD. YOU CAN, AM I? I HOPE I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING I AGREE SO SO WHAT? I'VE DESCRIBED WAS DONE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AFTER THE TAD WAS CREATED, RIGHT? EXACTLY. YEAH. IT'S LIKE GET THE TAD IN PLACE AS EXPEDIENTLY AS POSSIBLE AND THEN KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO FIX LATER BECAUSE YOU CAN GO BACK AND AND DO THAT IF YOU WANT TO, OR WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LATER EVEN, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT IS ANOTHER THING IS BY SETTING UP THIS TAD, YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING, THE ONLY THING YOU'RE COMMITTING TO IS WHICH PARCELS HAVE THEIR INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES. RIGHT? THAT GREEN WEDGE. RIGHT. ALL YOU'RE REALLY COMMITTING TO IS THE SAME FROM IN 2026 FORWARD. THESE 100 200 500 PARCELS THEIR PROPERTY INCREASES ARE GOING TO GO INTO THIS SPECIAL PROPERTY FUND TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YOU'RE HOPING THAT BY DOING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ATTRACT A DEVELOPER WHO SAYS, GUESS WHAT, I GOT $1 BILLION IDEA. AND IT'S INNOVATIVE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO CALL IT THE INNOVATION DISTRICT. AND SOMEBODY BRINGS $1 BILLION INVESTMENT. AND WE'RE SOMEBODY CAN DO THE FORECAST OF WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO YOUR PROPERTY TAXES. AND SO THEN MAYBE MAYBE YOU GET LIKE $2 MILLION ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAXES. RIGHT. THIS IS WHERE YOU MIGHT BE GOING. SO THAT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX GROWTH WILL FLOW EVENTUALLY INTO THE SPECIAL FUND. AND THEN YOU'LL USE THAT TO PAY OFF THE BONDS. IT GETS COMPLICATED. SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S REALLY KIND OF ONE THING YOU COULD BE DOING. YOU COULD ALSO BE DOING COLLECTING MONEY ALONG THE WAY. YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S HARD. OR MAYBE THE MARKET DOESN'T SHOW UP TO DO THAT. MAYBE THE DEVELOPER JUST DOESN'T SHOW UP TO DO THAT. IT HAPPENS. RIGHT. SO IT COULD COLLECT MONEY IN THE FUND OVER YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR. YOU MIGHT END UP WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THAT FUND OVER TIME. YOU MIGHT THEN DECIDE JUST TO GIVE OUT GRANTS OUT OF IT. CITIES HAVE DONE THAT. THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, IF A 
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DEVELOPER SHOWS UP, WE'LL WORK OUT A DEAL AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH GROWTH HE WANTS TO. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO GROW AND WE'LL WORK OUT A DEAL WITH THEM. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE GOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THIS ACCOUNT. WE CAN USE THAT TO PAY GRANTS. I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S UNIQUE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH TAD'S LIKE THAT AROUND THE STATE THAT WE COULD HELP YOU WITH, OR ANY YOU COULD CALL UP THE DIRECTOR OF DULUTH. DULUTH IS DOING INTERESTING THINGS. FLOWERY BRANCH IS DOING INTERESTING THINGS DOWN IN SAINT MARY'S. THEY'RE DOING INTERESTING THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT IDEA ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS. YOU CAN DO BIG THINGS, YOU CAN DO SMALL THINGS. BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'VE ASKED US TO DO IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS IS TO DECIDE WHAT PARCELS YOU WANT TO MAYBE DO SOMETHING ON, RIGHT, AND WHAT DISTRICT THEY HAVE. 
          THE ONLY THING ABOUT IT IS THEY HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS, RIGHT. SO YOU IF YOU YOU CAN DRAW A DISTRICT AGAIN, IT CAN BE 1000 PARCELS. I PROBABLY CAN'T BECAUSE YOU WOULD SKIP OVER THE CAP, BUT YOU COULD DRAW A DISTRICT WHATEVER IT IS. AND YOU'RE SAYING THESE THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO TRY TO DO THINGS. THAT'S THE IDEA. YES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO IN IN DISCUSSION, IN DISCUSSING THE BOUNDARIES AND WHICH PARCELS WILL BE INCLUDED AND WHICH ONES WOULD NOT, HAVE YOU SEEN THE PROPOSED MAP OF WHERE THIS TAD, THE INNOVATION TAB WOULD TAKE PLACE? THAT'S MY JOB TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT OKAY, IT DOESN'T EXIST YET OKAY. BECAUSE I BELIEVE I SAW A MAP IN AN EARLIER COUNCIL MEETING. THERE IS LIKE A BLOBBY MAP A BLOB. YES, SORRY I APOLOGIZE OKAY, I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE SEEN THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE I'M I'M WE'RE IN THE WEEDS LIKE WE WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE WHICH PARCELS ARE IN. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING DOES NOT EXIST. IT DOES EXIST WHICH PARCELS ARE IN OR OUT? I'LL BE IT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS ON THAT. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SORRY, I SAID THE WRONG THING. NO. IT'S OKAY. SO IN THAT BLOBBY MAP, YES. IT HAD WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THERE. LIKE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          YES. AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE THEM. I DON'T THINK SO. 
          OKAY. WE'RE OUR FIRST APPROACH IS PROBABLY NOT OKAY. SO I WILL SAY THIS ON THAT THAT THAT THE MORE RESIDENTIAL YOU HAVE IN THE TED, THE LESS LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO BE TO GET SCHOOL BOARD BUY IN, BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S JUST A BURDEN ON ON SCHOOLS WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. SO, SO THAT'S THAT'S A A POLICY REASON, A POLITICAL REASON NOT TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL OKAY. AND IT HAS TO BE ALL CONNECTED. EVERYTHING HAS LIKE THE WHOLE TAD HAS TO TOUCH ONE ANOTHER ALL THE PARCELS. YES. HOWEVER THERE IS A CAVEAT TO THAT IN THAT STATES I MEAN STATES, CITIES AROUND THE STATE FOR THE PAST DECADE HAVE DECIDED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS IT IN THE LAW. SO THIS IS MY OBSERVATION. AND WE'VE WE'VE BEEN AT THE TABLE WITH THIS. YOU HAVE A PARCEL HERE. YOU HAVE A PARCEL HERE. AS LONG AS YOU CAN CONNECT THEM BY RIGHT OF WAY. SOME CITIES ARE WILLING TO DO THAT. THAT IS YOU. 
          YOU CAN STILL NOT PICK UP YOUR PENCIL, RIGHT? I CAN DRAW THIS AND I CAN DO THIS AND I CAN DO THIS AND I CAN COME BACK. EVEN THOUGH THE PARCELS AREN'T CONNECTED, THEY'RE CONNECTED BY RIGHT OF WAY. YOUR TAGS DO THAT. YOUR TAG NUMBER TWO DOES THAT A LOT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY. IT CAN BE DONE. SIT. THERE'S I WOULD SAY HALF THE NEW TAGS THAT WE'RE CREATING ARE DOING THAT. IT LOOKS WEIRD. BUT YOU CAN CONNECT THINGS THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CONNECTED. IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE OUT A BUNCH IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE A RESIDENTIAL THING, YOU CAN GO RIGHT PAST THEM AS LONG AS YOU CAN CONNECT THEM IN RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, NAH, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO JUST FOCUS ON THIS ONE AREA AND WE DON'T WANT TO MIX AND MATCH THINGS. BUT TRUST ME, PEOPLE ARE MIXING AND MATCHING IF YOU WANT TO. THAT'LL BE DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL GOTTA LIKE. I HONESTLY WOULD ASK YOU, LIKE, GO HOME AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU DRAW THE MAP AND SEND IT TO ME IN AN EMAIL? I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT IF YOU WANT TO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LEGAL OR NOT, BUT MAYBE NOT. DON'T DO THAT IF IT'S NOT LEGAL. SORRY. HE'S THE LAWYER. I'M NOT A LAWYER, I APOLOGIZE, I KNOW OF NO REASON THEY CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY, OKAY. IF YOU HAVE DREAMS, IF YOU CARE, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT TO SEND ME INPUT, DRAW. DRAW IT ON A MAP WHERE YOU THINK WITHIN THAT BLOBBY MAP, LIKE SAY PUT AN X, SAY, DON'T DO THIS, TELL ME, SEND IT TO ME AND WE'LL START TO COMPILE IT. AND THEN NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH. BUT ULTIMATELY YOU GOTTA BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE BOUNDARY LOOKS LIKE. 
          I'M JUST HERE TO HELP YOU FIGURE IT OUT. OKAY. AND IN REGARDS TO, LIKE, THE DOWNTOWN TAD. SO WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT ALL THAT MONEY IS GOING TO THE COMMONS, EVEN THOUGH, LIKE, THE TAD ITSELF IS PRETTY LARGE, THE MONEY THAT'S FUNDING IT IS GOING TOWARDS THE COMMONS. 
          CORRECT. SO RIGHT NOW THE, THE. RIGHT NOW IT'S PLEDGED TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE 
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CLEVELAND AVENUE COMMONS AND THOSE, THOSE BONDS ARE WITHIN $100, $100,000 ARE BEING PAID OFF. AND THE CITY HAS THE AVENUE COMMONS. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE WALMART SHOPPING WHERE THE WALMART IS EXACTLY. AND SO I DON'T THIS DECISION HAS HAS NOT BEEN, YOU KNOW, SO THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE FULFILLED BEFORE THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO DIRECT THOSE FUNDS TO THE COMMONS. THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET. OKAY. SO THEN IN THIS NEW INNOVATION, TAD, ARE THERE CONSIDERATIONS OF SIMILAR CONDITIONS. YES. OKAY. SO JUST TO TRY AND SPELL IT OUT. SO LET'S SAY THAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE FROM, YOU KNOW LIKE 166 THE NORTHERNMOST PART OF EASTPOINTE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HAPEVILLE, RIGHT ON ALONG SYLVAN ROAD. BUT THEN LIKE THE CONDITION POTENTIAL CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD ALL GO TO FUND THE OWENS ILLINOIS PROJECT. IS THAT. NO, THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE. RIGHT. REMEMBER THAT. THAT'S THE FINAL WORD, THIS TAD, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DECIDE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR IF WE ALL GO DO DO DO THIS WHAT TAGS ARE IN, WHAT ARE WHAT PARCELS ARE IN THE TAD, WHAT PARCELS ARE OUT. SO I THINK WE GOT THAT AT AT THE END OF THE YEAR. EASTPOINTE SHOULD. IF WE DO THIS EASTPOINTE WILL HAVE TAD NUMBER THREE. ALL YOU'VE DONE IS COMMITTED TO CREATING THAT TAD. SO YOU STILL GOTTA TALK TO THE SCHOOLS AND THE COUNTY. AS YOU KNOW. NO, THERE'S NO COMMITMENTS TO THAT TAD THAT TAD COULD NEVER BE USED. AND IT WOULD NO ONE WOULD BE ANY WISER NECESSARILY. IT COULD NO HARM, NO FOUL. YOU COULD GET RID OF IT NEXT YEAR IF YOU WANTED TO, IF IT. BUT BUT IF YOU WANT TO USE IT, THEN YOU GOTTA DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. YOU GOTTA THEN CREATE, YOU GOTTA AS A BODY THEN DECIDE HOW TO USE IT. AND THAT'S A 2026 AND BEYOND THING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU JUST SETTING IT UP TO SO YOU CAN USE IT LATER THIS YEAR. THAT'S THE KIND OF THE BOTTOM LINE BASELINE IDEA. SO JUST BECAUSE A PIECE OF PROPERTY IS IN A TAD DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT WILL RECEIVE THE BENEFITS THAT FLOW, BECAUSE THAT DECISION ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY GOES AGAIN IS A DECISION FOR FOR THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE. OKAY. AFTER THE TAD IS CREATED. OKAY. 
          RARELY DO PEOPLE GET THIS THE FIRST TIME. IT TAKES IT TAKES SOME TALK. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO LIKE, TALK YOU THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT SO YOU CAN START THINKING ABOUT YOUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TON OF QUESTIONS OKAY. AND. WITH THE NAME LIKE INNOVATION LIKE. BECAUSE LIKE NORMALLY I THINK THAT THAT NAMES ARE KIND OF LIKE AFTER LOCATIONS LIKE SYLVAN ROAD, TAD OR CAMP CREEK TAD. SO LIKE WITH THE NAME OF INNOVATION, LIKE, IS THERE AN IDEA ALREADY LIKE, IS THERE SOMETHING? SO THE THE NAME OF THE TAD IS A DECISION FOR THIS COUNCIL. SO THAT'S WHAT THE NAME. SO THAT'S THE NAME THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED TO US. BUT YOU ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE IT OKAY. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT RESOLUTION OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. BUT IT DOES NEED A NAME BY THE WAY THAT WILL THAT IS A QUESTION LIKE WHAT WHAT IS IT'S NAME LIKE. THAT IS THE QUESTION TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW. IT WILL BE NEXT TIME YOU SEE ME. IT WILL STILL BE CALLED INNOVATION. SO YOU TELL ME. BUT UNTIL I HEAR DIFFERENTLY IT WILL BE CALLED INNOVATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER. YES. THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANT TO GO BACK FIRST TO A I THINK IT WAS YOUR PHRASING, MR. KOSKI, OF SOMETHING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WILL DETERMINE WHICH PARCELS, TAX INCREASES WILL BE USED. AND SO WHEN YOU SAID THAT, IT MADE ME PERK UP BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE IN THE LISTENING AUDIENCE, YOU'VE SAID IT ALREADY BEFORE, I DON'T THINK THAT THEIR TAXES ARE GOING TO INCREASE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, YES, WHAT THE INCREMENTS ABOVE THE 2025 BASE, WHICH WHICH PARCELS INCREMENTS ABOVE THE 2025 BASE, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING CLOSELY BECAUSE IT DOES NEED TO BE CLEAR. AND SO PLEASE INTERRUPT ME A MILLION TIMES TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS. A INDIVIDUAL PARCEL, INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS TAX BILL WILL NOT CHANGE. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A TAD CORRECT. THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT THE SAME BASE VALUE THAT THEY'VE COLLECTED IN 2025 OFF OF THAT PARCEL. THEORETICALLY THE SAME VALUE THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THE SAME THAT PARCEL THAT TAXPAYER IS STILL GOING TO END 
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EXPERIENCE, INCREASE IN TAXES OR DECREASE IN TAXES, WHATEVER THE MARKET PUSHES, WHATEVER THE TAX ASSESSOR SAYS IS THE IS THE CASE. AND YEAH, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT THAT TAX PARCEL WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP AND DOWN JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE WILL. THE GROWTH IN THAT PROPERTY TAXES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN IT GETS DEVELOPED, IF YOU WILL, IMPROVED UPON. AND THAT'S THE GROWTH WE WANT TO CAPTURE. SO WE'RE SAYING THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO SEE SOME PARCELS GET IMPROVED UPON SO THAT THEY GROW IN VALUE, BUT THEY'RE GROWING IN VALUE BECAUSE WE ARE HELPING THEM DO DEVELOPMENT THERE. RIGHT. THEY MIGHT BE GROWING IN WHAT WE CALL BACKGROUND GROWTH. YES. AND SO IF YOU'RE IN A TAD YOU'RE NOT GETTING ADDITIONAL TAXES. YOU'RE NOT ALSO NOT GROWING IN VALUE EITHER. THE TAD DOESN'T AFFECT YOU LIKE THAT, THE NEGATIVE OR THE POSITIVE. AND THAT'S, I THINK, WORTH POINTING OUT AS WELL THAT YOU'RE JUST A TAXPAYER. YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN A TAD. YOU'RE ALSO ELIGIBLE TO DEVELOP YOUR PROPERTY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TAD IF YOU WERE IN THAT WAY. BUT MOST RESIDENTIAL TAXPAYERS OUT THERE AREN'T GOING TO BE THERE, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP RESIDENTIAL OUT OF THERE AS EVERY CHANCE WE GET. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO. YEAH, BECAUSE I KEEP ASKING. PEOPLE MAY THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN INCREASE, AND IT'S REALLY JUST AN INCREMENT ABOVE THE 2025 BASE. THAT AMOUNT, ACCORDING TO THE NORMAL ASSESSMENT AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD NORMALLY HAPPEN. EXACTLY. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO WHEN WE FIRST DISCUSSED THIS, MAYBE THREE MEETINGS AGO, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD OR COMMENTS THAT I HAD, IT WAS REALLY ABOUT THE BOUNDARIES AND THAT BASED ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE JUST ADOPTED, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, I DON'T RECALL US VOTING ON ANYTHING. AND I DO REMEMBER JUST NOW YOU SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO. I'M IMAGINING YOUR COMPANY, KB ADVISORY GROUP, RIGHT? YES. SO THERE'S PROBABLY A SCOPE OF WORK, IS IT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SCOPE IS. I HAVEN'T SEEN A SCOPE OF WORK, SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS DECIDED UPON. SO. 
          IF SO SO IT'S THEY'RE RETAINED AS CONTRACTORS FROM MY FROM MY LAW FIRM AND AND THE IT'S THE SCOPE OF WORK IS VERY VERY GENERAL REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THAT REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS GOING TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN CONSULTATION WITH, WITH WITH THE CITY. RIGHT. SO IS THAT I HAVE I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. WHAT IS THE SCOPE BECAUSE I'M NOT AWARE. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION. SO IF YES, I GUESS IF YOU COULD JUST SHARE US WHAT THE SCOPE IS SO THAT WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF OUR CONSULTANTS TO DO IN THAT CONVERSATION. A FEW MONTHS AGO, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT AND ASKING THE QUESTION OF LOOKING AT THE CITY. AND BASED ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHAT ARE THE AREAS BASED ON THAT PLAN THAT WE PAID OUR CONSULTANTS TO DO THAT WOULD NEED THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD START DOING. 
          BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY SOME MOVEMENT IN AN AREA. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOVETAILS INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS PLAN. AND THEN WE'RE DOING A TOOL FOR SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE WE'VE PAID GOOD MONEY FOR THE PLAN, AND WE WANT THE PLAN TO WORK. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALL ARE WORKING TOGETHER. SO WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SCOPE OF WORK, I JUST AM NOT UNAWARE OF IT. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, LIKE WHAT THE CITY WAS ASKING OF OUR CONSULTANTS TO DO AT THIS POINT, HOW MANY TIMES? EXCELLENT. SO JUST WHAT I SAID. SO BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF DEFINING THE BOUNDARIES. AND THAT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN IS IS CERTAINLY A GUIDE IN PUTTING TOGETHER WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE GOING TO BE. I YEAH, I THINK I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS 100%. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THAT YOU HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC STRATEGIC PLAN IN YOUR FIRST BIG MOVE IS THIS. AND IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST BIG MOVE, AND IT WOULD BE IT OUGHT TO DOVETAIL. 
          THAT IS THE YOU'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. WE WE DIDN'T PLAN IT THIS WAY. AND FOR US TO COME AND DO THIS TAD PLAN RIGHT NOW, ATTORNEY JOHNSON REACHED OUT BECAUSE HE KNEW WE DID THESE PLANS. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THIS IS SERENDIPITY, TO USE A DUMB WORD, RIGHT? LIKE WE KNOW THAT PLAN INSIDE AND OUT. WE HELP YOU WRITE IT. RIGHT? SO I, I YOU HAVE MY WORD THAT THIS IS THIS IS I DON'T THINK I WOULD HAVE SAID YES WHEN HE CALLED IF IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY OUT OF BOUNDS OF THAT PLAN, YOU KNOW, IF, HEY, CITY OF EASTPOINTE WANTS TO DO THIS THING. AND I'M LOOKING AT IT'S LIKE, WELL, HOW CAN I STAND IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONER ADKINS AND SAY, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA? WHEN I WAS JUST UP IN FRONT OF HIM A FEW MONTHS AGO. IT'S NOT 
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LIKE THAT. I'M UP IN FRONT OF YOU SAYING THIS AREA OF TOWN THAT HAS THAT I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO START WITH, WHICH IS KIND OF CENTERED ON OWENS, ILLINOIS, BUT ALSO INSTRUCTED IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT OWENS ILLINOIS FROM FROM FROM ATTORNEY JOHNSON. THAT FITS PERFECTLY WITH WHAT WE DID WITH YOU LAST YEAR AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND THE WORK THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO BEFORE THE 31ST SO THAT WE CAN REALIZE THE 2025 ASSESSMENT AS OUR BASELINE IS OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN VOTE ON THE REDEVELOPMENT, DEVELOP, CREATE THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND VOTE ON THAT AND BY RESOLUTION. RIGHT. AND SO WITH THAT, WE DON'T HAVE TO DETERMINE DURING THAT PROCESS WHO WOULD ISSUE THE BONDS, WHETHER THAT IS BY IT OR DDA OR GENERAL OBLIGATION. WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE AT THAT WOULD BE OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY SO THAT THEY WOULD BE OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY, BUT THEY WOULD BE THEY WOULD BE REVENUE. IF IF BONDS ARE ISSUED, THEY WOULD BE REVENUE BONDS. OKAY. SO PAYABLE ON THE SOURCE OF PAYMENT WOULD ONLY BE THE INCREMENT IN THE TAD. SO THERE'S, THERE'S IT'S NOT A GENERAL OBLIGATION IF THE CITY IS THE ISSUER, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIMITED IN TERMS OF THE SOURCE OF FUNDS FOR REPAYMENT. SO THEN THIS BODY COULD JUST DECIDE IF IT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH ONE OF THE ENTITIES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO. IT WOULD BE THE CITY OKAY. BE THE CITY. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO, COUNCILOR ATKINS'S QUESTION THAT ANSWERED MY FIRST QUESTION. SO IT SEEMS LIKE I GUESS TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR US TO GET THIS DONE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A TAD IN PLACE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO JUST IT'S JUST, LIKE, A WHOLE LOT. SO I REALLY JUST KIND OF LIKE, WHAT IS THAT PROCESS LIKE? I MEAN, I SEE I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE GOTTA KIND OF RUSH. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THIS IS MORE THAN YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING. THIS IS THIS IS GOING SO FURTHER BACK. RIGHT. 
          SO YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS DEFINE PROPOSED TAD BOUNDARIES. YES. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE THAT'S EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENED. SO THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THERE. YOU DEFINE THE BOUNDARIES, PREPARE THE PLAN. AND MR. KOSKI CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S INVOLVED IN PREPARING THE PLAN. THEN THE STATUTE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, AND YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO BE WITH NOTICE. AND IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE NOTICE HAS TO BE WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. BUT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT'S INVOLVED IN PREPARING THE PLAN? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE SCOPE OF WORK IS BASICALLY MY SCOPE OF WORK. WHO I'M CONTRACTED THROUGH HIM IS THAT ONE LINE, PREPARE THE TAD PLAN. I'VE JUST DONE THIS ENOUGH THAT I'M SORT OF PREPPING, PREPPING Y'ALL TO GET YOU DOWN THROUGH THE REST OF IT. SO BECAUSE BECAUSE I IT'S JUST IT IS A LOT. 
          IT IS A LOT. BUT PREPARING THE TAB PLAN WELL OUR TAD PLANS FOLLOW THE STATE LAW AS I MENTIONED. SO OUR SCOPE OF WORK MENTIONS WHAT WE'RE WRITING, WHICH FOLLOWS THE STATE OF THE LAW. WHAT IT SAYS IN THE LAW HAS TO BE IN A PLAN. SO THE PLAN THAT WE'RE WRITING WILL FOLLOW LITERALLY THE LETTER OF THE LAW. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE PLAN, THE LETTER OF THE LAW THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING, WHAT IT'S WHAT HAS TO BE IN THERE. THERE'S EVEN SECTIONS IN OUR PLANS THAT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE OUT OF PLACE, BUT WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE LAW, SO THEY'RE NOT FANCY PLANS. WE WORKED WITH GABE, WORKED WITH Y'ALL WHAT, FOR LIKE OVER 12 MONTHS ON THAT STRATEGIC PLAN. FANCY A LOT OF ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES? THIS AIN'T THAT. THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. THIS IS LIKE A STRIKE FORCE PLAN. THAT'S FINE. WE JUST. WE'RE MEETING THE LETTER OF THE LAW. BUT HERE'S THE KEY. WE THE REASON IT CAN GO SO FAST. AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE YOU ALL KNOWING TO JUST BE READY TO TALK TO PEOPLE. THE REASON WE THINK IT CAN GO SO FAST, BECAUSE WE WORK REALLY HARD AND INCORPORATING ALL YOUR OTHER PLANS. SO ALL OF YOUR OTHER ALREADY APPROVED PLANS HAVE BEEN VETTED. RIGHT. WE DID FOR STRATEGIC PLAN, WE DID MEETINGS AND BLAH BLAH BLAH, AND Y'ALL APPROVED THEM. SO WE LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED AND WE WORK THAT INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHY IT CAN GO FAST IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN THIS PLAN. IT'S LIKE I SAID, LIKE A STRIKEFORCE PLAN. AND WE THINK WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE WORK HARD TO INCORPORATE ALL YOUR OTHER PLANS AS REQUIRED BY LAW. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, LIKE, GO FAST JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE IS A REASON WE'RE TRYING TO GO FAST, BUT WE THINK IT'S FINE. AND BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING IN YOUR PREVIOUS PLAN. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. AS I SAID, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW. IT'LL BE 50 TO 70 PAGES PROBABLY. IT'LL HAVE A LIST. WE'RE WORKING ON YOUR GIS SHAPEFILE OF TAB NUMBER TWO SO 
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WE CAN GET ALL THIS OUT. THAT'S IN THE SCOPE OF WORK AS WELL. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S PUTTING THAT PLAN TOGETHER AND PRESENTING IT TO YOU IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS. OKAY. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE THE BOUNDARIES, THOSE ARE THE PARCELS THAT WILL INCLUDE IN THERE. CORRECT? CORRECT. IS THAT A MEETING WITH WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THAT MEETING. I MEAN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO GET A MAP AND YOU KIND OF LOOK AT IT OR WE SAY PARTICULAR AREAS THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE? I MEAN, YEAH. SO SO AS I SAID, I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ONE ON ONE. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A TALK, WE CAN TALK, BUT YOU CAN MARK UP A MAP AND SEND IT TO ME. BUT YEAH, WE'RE PLANNING TO SORT OF CAPTURE AS MUCH AS WE KNOW ABOUT NOT JUST WHAT YOU ALL WANT, BUT REALLY MORE SO ABOUT THE PARCELS, WHAT'S WHAT'S RESIDENTIAL, WHAT'S NOT, WHAT'S COMMERCIAL, WHAT'S NOT WHERE IS THERE SOMETHING BEEN BUILT WITHIN THE PAST YEAR OR TWO? WE TRY TO PUT THINGS THAT ALREADY HAVE BEEN BUILT RECENTLY. DON'T PUT THOSE IN THE PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO UP IN VALUE MUCH IN THE NEXT IN THE NEAR. SO WE'RE BASICALLY GOING TO DO SORT OF LIKE OUR DESKTOP ANALYSIS OF WHAT A MAP COULD LOOK LIKE. WE'RE ALSO KEEPING IN MIND THE 10% CAP. REMEMBER NO MORE THAN 10% OF YOUR OVERALL OVERALL DIGEST PARCELS CAN BE INSIDE. SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF CHECKS AND BALANCES, IF YOU WILL. AND WE'LL PRESENT AN IDEA OF A MAP TO YOU ALL AT SOME POINT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT EXACTLY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE READY WITH THAT BY ABOUT THE END OF THE MONTH. AND, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEND US A MARKED UP MAP. THERE WILL BE MORE DISCUSSIONS. WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT NUMBER TWO FIRST BEFORE WE CAN REALLY START HAVING PARCEL BY PARCEL DISCUSSIONS IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY, SO WHEN YOU SAY FIGURE OUT TAD NUMBER TWO, THAT'S THE THE BOUNDARY AREA, THE BOUNDARY AREA WHICH EXISTS, WE HAVE A LIST, BUT WE NEED TO GET IT INTO GIS. AND IT JUST IS A LITTLE HARD TO GET JUST FROM A HAND-DRAWN MAP OR A MAP THAT'S NOT ALREADY IN GIS TO GET IT. 
          IN GIS, IT'S A NORMAL THING. WE JUST GOT TO DO IT. WE'RE JUST RIGHT. OKAY, SO THAT'LL BE YOUR PROCESS OF VETTING IT TO PUT IT PLUG IT INTO GIS AND THEN YES OKAY. YEAH. SO THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE CITY MANAGER WILL HAVE A SHAPEFILE WITH THE GIS OF A TAD. NOT ALL CITIES HAVE THIS. THIS IS FAIRLY NORMAL. WE JUST GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO TAD NUMBER THREE WITHOUT HAVING THAT INTENT. NUMBER TWO FIRST. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT YEAH WHEN IT COMES TO THREE THEN WE REALLY START INTERACTING ABOUT PARCELS OKAY SO I KNOW LAST QUESTION I KNOW YOU SAY THAT YOU WANT TO GET THIS DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. SO DO YOU HAVE LIKE SOME DATES TIMELINES AS FAR AS LIKE I KNOW THE FIRST THING IS TO DETERMINE WE GOT TO GET. YEAH. WELL I DIDN'T WANT TO PRESUME. I KNOW YOU GOT SOMETHING LIKE FIVE MEETINGS LEFT ON THE CALENDAR, BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YEAH, LET'S FIGURE THAT OUT. YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ROOM IN THE AGENDAS TO, TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TO DO THE VOTE. IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, THERE NEEDS, I DON'T KNOW, YOUR PROCESS. I'M JUST HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WE GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT. WE GOT ONLY A LITTLE A FEW OPTIONS. ALL RIGHT. AND IF IT IF IT HELPS. THE CITY, THIS CITY HAS TAKEN THE VOTE ON THE PLAN. THE SAME AT THE SAME MEETING WHERE THEY THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S ONE WAY TO SAVE SOME TIME. AND THAT'S NORMAL TOO. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD TO KNOW THAT THAT THAT THAT HAPPENS. OKAY I THIS IS NOT A THIS IS NOT A SHAMELESS PLUG ALTHOUGH IT KIND OF IS. MY LINKEDIN IS DOWN THERE. I JUST HAPPEN TO WRITE FIVE ARTICLES ABOUT TAD'S. I DON'T CARE IF YOU LOOKED AT MY LINKEDIN OR NOT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT TAD'S, I JUST WROTE FIVE ARTICLES ABOUT IT RIGHT THERE, SO FEEL FREE TO HAVE AT IT IF YOU WANT. I MEAN, I JUST IT'S SOMETHING I KNOW ABOUT AND I JUST WROTE ABOUT IT SO I CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. BUT WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE YOUR DEEP EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA. I, I JUST WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT HERE. SO I BELIEVE IT WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY, NOT LAST MEETING IN JUNE. 
          THERE WAS AN UPDATE ON THE SYLVAN ROAD PROJECT PROVIDED BY MIKE CONSTANTINO AND THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR THAT PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHERE THE MENTION OF A TAD OR INNOVATION TAB FOR THAT, THAT COULD INCLUDE THAT PROJECT CAME UP AFTER THAT. I THINK AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE HAD A COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INNOVATION TAB, ABOUT AREAS, ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DURING AT DURING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SYLVAN ROAD HAPEVILLE AREA, THE WILLINGHAM CORRIDOR AREA. COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER ASKED IF IT CAN GO ALL THE WAY DOWN 166 TO CAPTURE THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL AREA, AND THEN AFTER THAT, I THINK YOU CALL IT THE BLOCK MAP WAS SHARED. AND YEAH, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S 
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LITERALLY JUST A CONCEPT, BUT IT SHOWED THAT AREA FROM SYLVAN ROAD AND HAPEVILLE GATEWAY DOWN TO 166, AND THERE WAS BLUE AREA AT THE BOTTOM, YELLOW AREA IN THE MIDDLE, BLUE AREA AT THE TOP. AND DISCUSSION THEN WAS THAT THE YELLOW AREA WAS RESIDENTIAL AND PROBABLY WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE TAB, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENT COLOR ON THE CONCEPT. 
          BUT JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT AREA COULD BE, AND THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION. THEN WHEN TALKING ABOUT NOT INCLUDING THE YELLOW RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THE THE FACT THAT IT HAD TO BE CONTIGUOUS, HOW COULD WE MAKE IT CONTIGUOUS IF THAT'S THERE? AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE STREET, SYLVAN ROAD BEING THE CONNECTOR THAT GOES FROM THE GATEWAY TO HAPEVILLE AND EAST POINT DOWN TO 166. AND SO ALL OF THAT WAS THROUGH COUNCIL DISCUSSION. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE. THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT. THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. AND THE COUNCIL INDICATED THE DESIRE TO ENGAGE A CONSULTANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. THEY GOT A FOLLOW UP MEETING. IT WAS SHARED EITHER I DON'T KNOW IF MR. JOHNSON WAS HERE, BUT THAT LEGAL. MR. JOHNSON IS THE ATTORNEY WHO'S WORKED ON ALL THREE TESTS FOR US AND IS VERY FAMILIAR OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS. THANK YOU, SAID TAB ONE. THE DEVELOPER DID THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE COURT. HAD THE CITY DID THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS CONNECTED TO THE FIRM, THAT MR. KOSKI WAS A PART OF, AND THEN MR. KOSKI HAS RECENTLY DONE OUR ECONOMIC STRATEGIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, AND PREVIOUSLY THE CONSULTANTS WERE ENGAGED THROUGH LEGAL. AND THAT'S HOW THE COURT HAD TWO WAS DONE. AND WE'RE MOVING IN THAT VEIN FOR FOR QUARTERS THREE. SO THERE HAVEN'T BEEN DECISIONS MADE. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS AMONGST COUNCIL AROUND CONSENSUS AROUND AREAS. THE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES SPECIFIC. PLOTS OR PLATS, I SHOULD SAY PLATS, NOT PLOTS, PLATS OF LAND THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IS VERY CONTINGENT UPON. AND WE DISCUSSED THAT PREVIOUSLY AT PREVIOUS MEETING. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROBABLY SINCE JULY AT DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEETINGS. I THINK EVERY WORK SESSION ABOUT NEEDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT THERE'S NOT OVERLAP WITH THE CORRIDORS TAX, WHICH IS WHAT MR. KOSKI IS SHARING. ABOUT 520 SOMETHING PROPERTY PLATS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF, AND THEN GIS AROUND IT SO THAT THERE'S NOT LAND IN BOTH TABS. SO NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE. THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS. I THINK MOST EVERYBODY HERE HAS BEEN A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS. AND THE REASON SHARED PREVIOUSLY OR DURING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DESIRE TO DO IT BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR. THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT INTEREST IN THE CITY. THERE'S DEVELOPMENT INTEREST IN THIS AREA, WHETHER IT'S THE CURRENT DEVELOPER OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPER. THERE'S INTEREST WITHIN THIS AREA, AND THIS IS A TOOL THAT IMPLEMENTS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE JUST ADOPTED THAT COULD BE USED. BUT IF WE DON'T DO IT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, THEN WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT COMES NEXT YEAR WILL NOT HAVE THIS TOOL AVAILABLE. IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE AVAILABLE UNTIL 2027. AND SO ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORK OR THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED, OR THAT MAY BE IN THIS AREA WOULD NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THE TAB AS THE TOOL. AND SO WHAT I'M THINKING IS, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN TELL ME FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S PROBABLY HELPFUL IF YOU SAID BY THE END OF THE MONTH, OUR FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER IS NOVEMBER THE 3RD. IF WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT BOUNDARIES, THE LAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INCLUDED IN TWO, WHAT'S COULD BE INCLUDED IN THREE. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE HAVE A WORK SESSION, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER. 17TH OR DECEMBER. I MEAN, THAT WOULD STILL GIVE US TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. AND THEN WE HAVE DECEMBER THE 1ST, EIGHTH AND 15TH. THE FIRST AND 15TH ARE VOTING NIGHT. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. WE HAVE FIVE COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE WE TYPICALLY VOTE OUTSIDE 
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OF CALLING A SPECIAL CALL MEETING. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE NOVEMBER THE 17TH. NO, I'M SORRY, OCTOBER THE 20TH. THAT'S NOT IN CONSIDERATION. NOVEMBER THE 3RD, WHICH WOULD BE AFTER YOUR END OF OCTOBER DATE OF, YOU KNOW, DOING THE GIS ON ALL OF THE PARCELS COULD BE THE DISCUSSION AROUND BOUNDARIES AGAIN AND THE UPDATE, WHEREVER YOU ARE ON THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT WOULD THEN GIVE US STILL THE NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, NOVEMBER 17TH WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EARLIEST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN IF NOT, WE HAVE THE 1ST DECEMBER FIRST AND DECEMBER 15TH. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES BUILT WITHIN. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LEVERAGE EVERY MEETING FOR EITHER UPDATES OR ACTION SO THAT COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW WHERE WE ARE AND ASK QUESTIONS. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR IF WE IF THIS IS DONE IN 2026, THIS WILL NOT BE A TOOL FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS IN THIS AREA IN 2026. IN EAST POINT, IT WOULDN'T BE THE EARLIEST WOULD BE 2027. ANY PROJECTS THAT HAPPENED IN 2027. 
          SO WE MISSED A WHOLE YEAR. SO ALONG THAT LINE AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU A BRIEF STORY. I REPRESENTED APS ON THE CREATION OF THE BELTLINE TAD FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTA. AND THERE WAS IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CREATE THE BELTLINE TAD WHEN ATLANTA DID, BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT LINDBERGH CENTER WAS ABOUT TO COME ONLINE AND REALLY GOOSE THE PROPERTY VALUES IN THAT AREA. SO THEY RUSHED TO GET THE TAD CREATED, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE YEAR IN WHICH THAT LINDBERGH CENTER PROPERTY CAME INTO THE DISTRICT. SO TIMING, YOU KNOW, SO THAT TIMING, THINKING ABOUT TIMING IS A SMART THING TO DO. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR YOU ALL TO COME BACK ON NEXT MONDAY, THOUGH. WHEN I TALK ABOUT UTILIZING MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MORE UPDATE INFORMATION OR WORK WOULD BE ON NOVEMBER THE 3RD, AND SO WE CAN PUT IT ON FOR A PRESENTATION AGAIN THAT NIGHT. WE EITHER HAVE THE THIRD OR THE 10TH, NOVEMBER 3RD OR NOVEMBER 10TH. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. IT MIGHT BE IT MIGHT BE OKAY TO DO THE 10TH JUST TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME BETWEEN THE END OF THE MONTH AND THE 10TH TO LET YOU KNOW WE CAN COME IN WITH SOME VERY DETAILED SCENARIOS AND REALLY WORK WITH YOU PROBABLY BY THEN. IF WE DID IT ON THE THIRD, WE COULD, BUT IT'D BE A LITTLE MORE OPEN ENDED. SO YOU KNOW, BY THE 10TH WE COULD GET A LITTLE MORE DETAILED WITH SCENARIOS, BUT IT'S UP TO UP TO YOU ALL HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT FOR, FOR US AT LEAST. AND APPARENTLY JONATHAN IS THERE. HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING? DO YOU RECALL? IT'S LIKE FIVE DAYS. SO THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE NOVEMBER 17TH IS WHAT I'M HEARING. NOVEMBER 17TH WOULD BE THE FIRST DATE WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF THEY'RE COMING BACK TO US ON NOVEMBER 10TH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO DO THE 17TH OR DO DECEMBER 1ST OR DECEMBER 15TH, OKAY. AND WE ONLY NEED TO HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING OR TWO. JUST ONE. ONE IS ALL THAT'S REQUIRED. OKAY? ONE IS ALL THAT'S REQUIRED. I MEAN, I THINK IF WE CAN DO THIS RIGHT, IT MIGHT BE BEST TO DO THE HEARING IN AND VOTE IN DECEMBER, NOT TRY TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WORKING WE'RE DOING THE, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING JUST BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING MAYBE WE WAIT TILL DECEMBER. SO WE MAKE SURE WE GIVE US ENOUGH TIME. WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE ENOUGH TIME BY DECEMBER. IF YOU TELL ME NOVEMBER TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WE GOTTA WE GOTTA LIKE DOUBLE ACCELERATE. DECEMBER SEEMS REASONABLE, GIVEN THAT YOU'VE GOT THREE MEETINGS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THREE MEETINGS IN DECEMBER, WE CAN DO THAT IN DECEMBER. I THINK YOU MAY HAVE A BETTER PLAN. TIGHTEN DOWN. IF WE SHOOT FOR THAT, WE CAN ALWAYS MODIFY. WE'RE WE'RE HERE FOR YOU. WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE. SO YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE THAT COULD BE PRESENTED TO US. YEAH, BUT THE NEXT WORK SESSION WOULD BE THE MOST PRUDENT JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND THAT. TOTALLY AGREE. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. THIS WON'T WORK IF WE DON'T DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. SO WE GOTTA WE GOTTA DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE FINAL, JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO LOCK IN A DATE, MAYBE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE VOTE WOULD JUST SAY THAT'S HAPPENING IN DECEMBER. THAT 
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GIVES US ENOUGH TIME TO WORK THROUGH. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER AND YOU'RE LIKE, YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, THAT WOULD GIVE US A I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IF IT DID, WE WOULD THEN HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND BE READY BY DECEMBER. STILL. SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME IF WE WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY. IF YOU TELL ME, NOPE, WE GOT TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER. WE'RE HERE TO SERVE YOU. TELL YOU NO, YOU TELL ME. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO PUBLIC HEARING 1ST OF DECEMBER. 
          NEXT MEETING. VOTE ON IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND SHARING LOTS OF INFORMATION IN BETWEEN BEFORE WE GET THERE. SO YOU'RE READY FOR IT. SO PLACE THIS ON THE NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION AS A PRESENTATION. AND THEN IF THERE'S INFORMATION YOU WANT TO SHARE BEFORE THE MEETING OR WHATEVER, WE CAN GET THAT TO COUNCIL. AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE US, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF NOVEMBER. I THINK THAT WORKS ON. OKAY. SO NOVEMBER 10TH WOULD BE BOUNDARIES AND PLAN UPDATE. AND THEN DECEMBER 1ST OR DECEMBER 15TH OR WHATEVER AFTER THAT FOR PUBLIC HEARING SOMETIME IN DECEMBER. QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL SEE YOU NOVEMBER THE 10TH. NEXT UP, 
          [II.3. Preparing for FIFA]
PREPARING FOR FIFA COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER. YES, CITY MANAGER, IF WE CAN HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM COME UP AND PRESENT THEIR PRESENTATION. CERTAINLY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, SEE DIRECTOR MACEO COMING UP, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SUPPORT STAFF. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER JONES. 
          MR. ROGERS, DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE A SERIES OF IDEAS THAT COUNCIL MAY WISH TO CONSIDER IN ANTICIPATION OF THE NUMBER OF DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL VISITORS THAT MIGHT COME TO AND THROUGH THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE DURING THE FIFA WORLD CUP GAMES FOR NEXT YEAR. I'VE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE CVB, BUT THAT MEETING WILL BE SCHEDULED NEXT WEEK. THEY ARE OUT OF TOWN THIS WEEK ATTENDING A CONFERENCE, SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET A DATE IDENTIFIED FOR THAT. BUT THIS PRESENTATION AGAIN IS JUST TO PRESENT IDEAS, NOT PLANS AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD. WITH THAT, I WILL BEGIN THE PRESENTATION. SO THE GOAL IS TO PREPARE THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE TO WELCOME THE GLOBAL VISITORS WHILE ENHANCING COMMUNITY PRIDE AND LONG TERM CITY APPEAL. THE OBJECTIVES ARE VERY SIMPLE IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ESTHETIC DOWNTOWN. PARTNER WITH MARTA AND LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS. CREATE UNIQUE FAN EXPERIENCES AND OF COURSE GENERATE NEW REVENUE STREAMS FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD. JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF TIMELINE OF WHAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE THE GAMES. THE MATCHES WILL BEGIN JUNE 11TH OF NEXT YEAR THROUGH JULY 9TH 19TH, 2026. THE COUNTRIES INCLUDE CANADA, MEXICO AND THE US, AND OF COURSE, THE CITY OF ATLANTA WILL HOST EIGHT MATCHES, INCLUDING ONE SEMIFINAL MATCH. 
          WE WILL NOT KNOW THE THE VARIOUS TEAMS THAT WILL PLAY UNTIL AROUND MID DECEMBER WHEN THAT INFORMATION COMES OUT. THIS IS JUST A SCHEDULE OF THE THE ENTIRE TIME FRAME THAT TAKES PLACE IN VARIOUS CITIES IN THE US, AS WELL AS CANADA AND MEXICO. SO FOR US, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER CONCERNS STREET REPAVING OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          OF COURSE, THERE ARE PRIORITIES CONSISTING OF MAIN STREET, EAST POINT STREET CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, AND AS WELL CLEVELAND AVENUE, WASHINGTON ALSO UNDERWAY IN TERMS OF REPAVING 80 ACRES AND RAMPS ACROSS DOWNTOWN, AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS. OF COURSE, WE'D LIKE TO USE DECORATIVE PAINTS, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT WOULD BE VERY REFLECTIVE AND ALSO REFLECT 
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COMMUNITY IDENTITY AS WELL. IN TERMS OF MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS, WE'D LIKE TO OR MAYBE CONSIDER ENHANCING THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE LIGHTING CLEANUP AND INCORPORATE ARTISTIC DISPLAYS ALONG THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, EXPAND BIKE AND SCOOTER LANES WITH SAFE CONNECTIONS TO MARTA. DEEP CLEAN THAT STATION AS WELL. BEAUTIFY IT. OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP WORKING WITH MARTA. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE COULD DO SOME CO-BRANDING, SIGNAGE AND AND DO SOME CAMPAIGN MARKETING AS WELL, SUCH AS RIDE MARTA AND TWO FIFA EXPLORE EASTBOURNE. AND OF COURSE WE CAN IMPROVE OUR WAYFINDING. I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO UNDERWAY WITH RESPECT TO INCLUDE MULTILINGUAL ICONS. AND ALSO WE COULD HOST MUSIC, ART, POP UP APPEARANCES BY VARIOUS VENDORS AND OF COURSE UTILIZE THE MODERN STATION TO DO THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. BEAUTIFICATION IN ART, SEASONAL SEASONAL LANDSCAPING AND PLANTERS. OF COURSE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ONGOING. WE'VE BEEN SWAPPING OUT THE THE PLANTERS AND FLOWERS ALONG MAIN STREET, EAST POINT STREET, AS WELL AS CHURCH STREET. AND OF COURSE WE WANT THAT TO CONTINUE, BUT ALSO MAYBE EXPAND THAT BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT YEAR. THE FACADE PROGRAM IMPROVEMENT, OF COURSE INITIATIVES IS IN PROGRESS. 
          TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. THE COMMISSION, WE SHOULD MAYBE CONSIDER COMMISSIONING ADDITIONAL MURALS CELEBRATING SOCCER AND E-SPORTS CULTURAL PRIDE. THIS WOULD ALSO INVOLVE SOME FAN EXPERIENCES. WE COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, UTILIZING JOHN MILNER PARK, ESTABLISHED E-SPORTS FAN ZONE AT AT THE PARK ITSELF, WE COULD INCORPORATE LARGE SCREENS, FOOD TRUCKS AND GAMES THAT COULD BE PLAYED BY FAMILY, KIDS, AND FOR EVERYONE THAT VISIT, WE COULD HAVE SHUTTLES THAT WOULD RUN FROM TO AND FROM THE VIRGINIA AVENUE HOSPITALITY DISTRICT TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA, AND ALSO MAYBE INCORPORATE A DOWN DOWNTOWN LOOP AS WELL WITH THAT. 
          SO THE WHOLE IDEA WOULD BE TO TIE IN CULTURAL EVENTS AND INSTALL ART. AND THEN OF COURSE, UTILIZE AND CELEBRATE THE THE SOCCER AND SOUL THEME THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH AS WELL. THE EAST POINT. THEN OFFENSE COULD TAKE PLACE ACROSS THAT ACROSS THE STREET AT THE COMMONS AREA. 
          WE COULD REALLY CLEAN UP AND SECURE LIGHTING AND THE COMMONS AREA. WE COULD HOST THE FARMERS MARKET THERE AGAIN, UTILIZING LARGE SCREEN LIKE JUMBOTRONS TO PRESENT AND TELECAST OR TELEVISE THE SOCCER, VARIOUS SOCCER MATCHES THAT WOULD BE GOING ON. AND OF COURSE, WE COULD ALSO COMBINE THAT AND INCORPORATE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL. WE COULD CREATE AN ART ART WALK FOR ART DISPLAYS. WE CAN DO THAT THERE AS WELL AS WE CAN ALSO INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF WE WISH TO OVER AT JOHN MILTON PARK AS WELL. AND THEN OF COURSE WE COULD BRAND THIS, OF COURSE, AT THE COMMONS AS GATEWAY TO EAST POINT'S GATHERING PLACE FOR FIFA VISITORS. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER HOW WE MIGHT UTILIZE EAST POINT IN TERMS OF OUR AVAILABLE SPACES. LOTS FOR REVENUE GENERATION, WE COULD PROVIDE VENDOR PERMITS IN TERMS OF SPONSORSHIP, SPONSORSHIP PACKAGES FOR PARKING. ALSO, IF VARIOUS SPONSORS WANTED TO CONDUCT MAYBE A SMALL CONCERT VIGNETTE. THEN YOU, I SHOULD SAY, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, PARKING SHUTTLE SERVICES FOR ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE VISITING THE CITY AS WELL. THIS COULD ALSO ACT AS A LONG TERM TYPE OF STRATEGY THAT WOULD ATTRACT OPPORTUNITIES FOR GENERATING GROWTH. I MEAN, GENERATING REVENUE LONG AFTER THE GAMES THEMSELVES. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE ADVERTISING AND PROMOTION, WE COULD GENERATE A CAMPAIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO EASTPOINTE OR OR WELCOME THE WORLD TO EASTPOINTE IN 2026, WE COULD DO SOME CAMPAIGNING ON THE AT THE AIRPORT, OF COURSE, AND UTILIZING DIGITAL ADVERTISING POLICEMAN'S. WE COULD ALSO LEVERAGE SOCIAL MEDIA AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES. EASTPOINTE CVB AND OF COURSE, FIFA SPONSORS IT THEMSELVES AS WELL. SO THE SITES TO CONSIDER WOULD BE SITES FOR ENHANCEMENTS. AND I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION AND CLEANING UP 
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AND THAT SORT OF THING, MAYBE DOING SOME LANDSCAPING AND WHATNOT WOULD BE MAIN STREET AT HIGHWAY 166 AND KNOX AVENUE. THAT LITTLE ICON IMAGE THERE KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WHAT AREA I'M SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO. FREEDOM PARKWAY OVER MAIN STREET WOULD BE ANOTHER AREA WE COULD HAVE EXPLORED. EASTPOINTE. WELCOME TO EASTPOINTE. WE COULD DO WORDING THERE, OR WE COULD HAVE SOME GRAPHICS DISPLAYED ACROSS THAT, THAT BRIDGE, THAT OVERPASS BOTH GOING AND COMING. SO IT WOULD BE FACING BOTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND AS WELL. PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AT MAIN STREET DOWNTOWN IS OBVIOUSLY THE THE OTHER SITE. AND THEN OF COURSE EASTPOINTE GAZEBO AT VIRGINIA AVENUE AND THE HOSPITALITY DISTRICT. SO THESE WOULD BE SITES THAT WE COULD REALLY ENHANCE WITH BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS THAT WOULD MAKE THEM INVITING AND WELCOMING TO OUR CITY. AND OF COURSE, THE SITES FOR CITY EVENTS WOULD THEN THEN BE THE COMMONS ACROSS THE STREET, JOHN MILNER PARK, THE VELODROME, EASTPOINTE HISTORIC SOCIETY, AND OF COURSE, GEORGIA SOCCER PARK OUT IN THE CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE AREA. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO CONSIDER SOME OF THESE, THESE, THESE AREAS, NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO DETERMINE WHICH, IF ANY OF THESE IDEAS ARE DESIRABLE OR MOST DESIRABLE FOR TO PURSUE IN TERMS OF DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS, PERHAPS MAYBE THREE WOULD GIVE US A REALLY GOOD ADVANTAGE AND OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY TACKLE THEM, BUT ENSURE THAT THEY COME OFF SUCCESSFULLY. WE COULD CONVENE INTERDEPARTMENTAL WORKING GROUP, WHICH CONSIST OF PUBLIC WORKS THAT INCLUDES FIRE AND POLICE. I MEAN, PUBLIC SAFETY. I'M SORRY. THAT INCLUDES FIRE AND POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, EP, E-SPORTS CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU. 
          VISITORS BUREAU, MARTA COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, PLANNING, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, SANITATION, POWER, IT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND OF COURSE, WE WOULD NEED TO DEVELOP A TIMELINE AND BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR THE 2025 2026 IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. IF WE WERE TO TAKE TO TAKE SOME OF THESE IDEAS ON AGAIN, THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE AT THIS POINT. I WILL UNDERSCORE THAT THESE ARE JUST IDEAS, NOT PLANS, JUST SOMETHING THAT THE CITY LEADERSHIP MAY WANT TO OR WISH TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF ANY KIND OF PREPARATION THAT WE MIGHT DO PRIOR TO THE GAMES COMING ON BOARD NEXT YEAR. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER. GREEN. OH, THERE WE GO. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PIECE, WHAT WHAT ARE SOME IDEAS THAT WE HAVE TO HELP OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF INCENTIVES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE PUBLIC TO TRY AND DRIVE BUSINESS TO OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES? WELL, CERTAINLY WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SOME AGGRESSIVE MARKETING PLANS TO FACILITATE THAT. THESE ARE IDEAS TO HOPEFULLY GET THE, THE, THE VISITORS TO NOT ONLY COME TO THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE, BUT CERTAINLY TO GET THEM DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SO WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE ANTICIPATE COMING, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO SOME SOME BRANDING IDEAS THAT WOULD COUNT THESE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, AS WELL AS BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE WRAPPED AROUND THOSE CORRIDOR AREAS THAT I HIGHLIGHTED, SUCH AS JOHN MILNER PARK ACROSS DOWNTOWN COMMONS AREA, AND AS WELL OUT IN THE CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE, BECAUSE WE WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCE OUT THERE IN THAT AREA. AND PLUS WE HAVE THAT PARK. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS THAT WILL BE AGGRESSIVE IN TERMS OF MARKETING AND OUTREACH TO DRIVE TRAFFIC TO THESE VARIOUS BUSINESSES TO HELP THEM OUT. 
          OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT LIKE SOMETHING SPECIFIC, LIKE DOING LIKE A PASSPORT STAMP OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GO AND YES, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE COULD CERTAINLY DO SOMETHING LIKE A PASSPORT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, WE COULD PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WOULD HIGHLIGHT THESE, THESE BUSINESSES SO THAT IF THEY GO AND VISIT, THEY COULD COLLECT A, A STAMP THAT WOULD CONVEY THAT THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN THERE ONCE THEY'VE PERHAPS COMPLETED THE, THE WHOLE PASSPORT OR BOOK, THEY COULD REDEEM THAT THEN FOR EITHER FOOD OR DRINKS OR IT MIGHT BE CERTIFICATES THAT THEY COULD COLLECT AS WELL. BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO NOT JUST GET THEM THERE TO REDEEM, BUT TO GET THEM THERE AND ALSO SPEND ADDITIONAL MONEY WHILE THEY'RE THERE. AND WHAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 
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DOING SOME KIND OF. MERCHANDISE THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE EASTPOINTE BRANDED? IT'D BE LIKE EASTPOINTE, FIFA 2026, AND THEN YOU CAN ONLY, LIKE, BUY IT ON ON THE COMMONS PROPERTY OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. YES. AND SO GREAT IDEAS AND WE CAN CERTAINLY STRETCH THIS AND ADD ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WOULD BE AGAIN ENTICING, INVITING DRIVING TRAFFIC TO THESE, THESE VARIOUS BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD PURSUE, DEPENDING IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE OF CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANY KIND OF EXTRA DOLLARS IN OUR BUDGET FOR, FOR THIS, BUT I THIS DOES SEEM TO FIT IN A LINE WITH HOTEL MOTEL MONEY. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO USE HOTEL MOTEL TAX MONEY TO FUND THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS? YES, I BELIEVE SO. THIS IS ALL ABOUT TOURISM AND AND OF COURSE THAT'S THE DRIVING FACTOR HERE. 
          AGAIN, I HAVEN'T MET WITH CVB, BUT I WILL BE DOING THAT TO DISCUSS WHAT TYPE PLANS THEY HAVE IN PLACE. AND MAYBE SOME OF THESE THINGS MIGHT CROSS EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY MIGHT BE THINKING. I DID HAVE A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MISS ROSS FRANCOIS LAST WEEK, AND SHE MENTIONED THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE SOME IDEAS TOO, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING TOGETHER TO DISCUSS WHAT THOSE IDEAS ARE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH PUTTING SOME OF THESE THINGS IN PLACE. 
          WE HAVE LESS THAN THREE MONTHS BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR. AND OF COURSE, WITH THESE GAMES STARTING IN JUNE, IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY FAST MOVING KIND OF PACE THAT EVERYONE NOT JUST THIS COMMUNITY, BUT ALL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE WILL BE EXPOSED TO THE WORLD AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO TOUT EASTPOINTE AS A CITY THAT IS ON THE MOVE, ON THE RISE. GREAT PLACE TO WORK, LIVE, BE ENTERTAINED, WHATEVER YOU LIKE AND TO TO TO RAISE A FAMILY. SO THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO CERTAINLY PUT OURSELVES FRONT AND CENTER IN TERMS OF THAT OPPORTUNITY, SO THAT WE DON'T MISS THE THAT WINDOW THAT'S PRESENTING ITSELF TO US AT THIS TIME. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE MULTIMODAL PROJECT DOWNTOWN WE HAVE GOING ON AND THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF A LOT OF THE ROADS DOWNTOWN ARE IN POOR SHAPE. AND I KNOW YOU'RE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT ARE YOU IN IN TALKS WITH PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT TIMING OF ACTUALLY REPAVING THOSE ROADS, MAKING SURE WE'RE ALL SPIFFY? YES, MA'AM. WE ARE. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS NOW FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT WE'VE PROMISED TO DO, IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE A WEEKLY COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEING MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE STREETSCAPING IN DOWNTOWN. AND OF COURSE, WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH MR. CADDELL, HALL AND JEFF REEVES IN TERMS OF GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT. 
          THEY HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATION AND CONTACT WITH GDOT. AND SO THEY CAN SHARE WITH US THOSE UPDATES AS THEY AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, WE RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION. AND OF COURSE, WE PUT THAT OUT IN OUR NEWS WEEKLY NEWSLETTER. BUT ALSO IN ADDITION WE HAVE MEET WEEKLY, I MEAN, MONTHLY, I SHOULD SAY BUSINESS MEETINGS DOWNTOWN. AND SO WE'RE MEETING WITH THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ATTEND THAT MEETING TO ALSO UPDATE THEM AS TO WHAT THAT PROGRESS IS. AND OF COURSE, PUBLIC WORKS IS TEAMING UP WITH US SO THAT THEY TOO ARE ON HAND TO BE A PART OF THOSE MEETINGS, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS DIRECT AS WELL. HAVE THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES EXPRESSED ANY IDEAS THEMSELVES ON ON SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM FOR THIS EVENT? LET ME SAY AGAIN, I'M SORRY. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SO YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE THESE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. HAVE THEY EXPRESSED ANY IDEAS THAT THEY HAVE REGARDING THIS EVENT THAT THEY THINK WOULD BE GREAT? WELL, SO FAR WE'VE WE'VE NOT WE'VE NOT TALKED SPECIFICALLY WITH THEM ABOUT FIFA WORLD CUP. BUT I THINK THAT ONCE WE WE BEGIN TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE PLANS ARE OR IDEAS ARE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, THAT WILL SUFFICE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THAT 
          [02:10:02]
YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH THAT AS WELL. YEAH, JUST A FEW PROJECTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF BEFORE THE FIFA THING THAT WE PUT INTO PLAY. AND YOU GUYS GAVE US BUDGET FOR AN AMBASSADOR PROGRAM. IF YOU'VE BEEN TO DOWNTOWN ATLANTA, YOU SEE THE PEOPLE WITH THE NICE AMBASSADOR SHIRTS ON. THEY'RE WALKING AROUND GREETING PEOPLE, POINTING THEM PLACES, DOING BASIC LITTER PICKUP AND WHATNOT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HOPE TO LAUNCH FIRST QUARTER. 
          AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. THEY'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT IT'LL HAVE A PRESENCE IN OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT MORE WELCOMING, MORE EYES, BUT ALSO HELPING US WITH THAT LITTER PICKUP. THAT'S ALWAYS A STRUGGLE. WE'VE ALSO ORDERED 37 ADDITIONAL PLANTERS THAT ARE GOING DOWNTOWN. I'VE ALREADY CIRCULATED SOME OF THE MAPS WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO INTERRUPTIONS WITH WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON AS WELL. WE'LL BE LAUNCHING THOSE, AND I HAVE PLANS TO ORDER MORE FIRST QUARTER, ONCE THE STREETSCAPE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO PUT IN THAT ZONE, ONCE THAT FINISHES UP, I PLAN ON ORDERING ADDITIONAL PLANTERS AS WELL AS TRASH CANS IN THAT AREA TO REALLY KIND OF COMPLETE THAT PICTURE. AND IN THE PASSPORT. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO OUR BUSINESSES AT THESE MEETINGS. IT'S ALSO BEEN REALLY OPEN TO THEM AS DOING A DIGITAL SCAVENGER HUNT SLASH PASSPORT. AND THE GOAL OF THAT IS ALSO TO BUILD UP THE ONLINE PRESENCE OF OUR BUSINESSES. SO IT WILL ASK THEM TO DO A SELFIE AT THE CUPCAKERY WITH A, YOU KNOW, A CUPCAKE AND LEAVE A REVIEW AND YOU GET EXTRA POINTS FOR THAT. 
          AND IT'S JUST ESSENTIALLY TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES DRIVE MORE TRAFFIC, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE USE SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHATNOT TO DECIDE WHERE THEY WANT TO GO WHEN THEY'RE TRAVELING. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR BUSINESSES ARE PUTTING THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LAUNCH THAT AS WELL IN FIRST QUARTER, SO THAT THERE'S A BUILD UP OF THAT ONLINE PRESENCE FOR OUR BUSINESSES. SO WHEN PEOPLE DO COME VISIT, HOPEFULLY OUR BUSINESS WILL BE TOP RATED AND THEY'LL HAVE GOOD REVIEWS AND THEY'LL BE READY TO TAKE ON CUSTOMERS. SO THOSE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE BUSINESSES, AND THAT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS. BUT THAT'S JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOT IN LINE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. OKAY. AND I THINK MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER, MR. JONES. ARE THERE ANY KIND OF LIKE STANDING MEETINGS AT THIS POINT YET ON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY BIG EFFORT? WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME. AND IT DOES REALLY IMPACT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT. OUR WHAT ARE THE PLANS GOING FORWARD? ARE THERE GOING TO BE STANDING MEETINGS OR HOW OFTEN WOULD THEY BE OR I DON'T KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR IDEAS ON THIS? I HAVE ORDER, SO IF YOU COULD RELEASE YOUR MIC SO MR. JONES CAN SPEAK, GO AHEAD. YES. SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE ARE STANDING MEETINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH THE CVB. I KNOW MY DEPUTY CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THAT GROUP AND STAYING IN TOUCH WITH THAT GROUP, WHICH IS A REGIONAL MEETING WITH MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS INVOLVED IN IT. 
          SO AS AS THOSE I THINK AS THE DIRECTOR SHARES, THOSE TIME START GETTING CLOSER AND SPECIFIC THINGS START GETTING CARVED OUT. WE'LL BE BUILDING UP TO THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT, INTERNALLY, THERE'S NOT A STANDING MEETING, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY KEEPING AN EYE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING REGIONALLY AND TRYING TO GET SOME TYPE OF ACTIVITY TO BE IN EAST POINT. 
          OKAY. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US. AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO PASS US BY. AND THEN WE WE REGRET LATER THAT WE DIDN'T DO SOMETHING. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A REALLY BIG EVENT AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY TRY TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO HAVE STANDING MEETINGS WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, MAKING LIKE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, MISS ROGERS, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE WOULD BE FOR PUBLIC WORKS BEFORE YOU COULD PUT OUT THE PLANTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AND KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE STEPPING OUTSIDE CITY HALL RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. OF COURSE, BUT BUT WE WE WE DO NEED TO AND I, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BE READY FOR THE FOR FIFA. YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE. I'M NOT SURE. IS THERE ANYTHING 
          [02:15:01]
THAT YOU NEED FROM US? BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THAT THESE ARE IDEAS AND NOT PLANS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE IDEA BEING, COUNCILWOMAN, IS THAT ONCE WE DO MEET WITH THE CVB AND SEE WHAT KIND OF IDEAS THEY HAVE AND, AND COLLECTIVELY WITH THE CITY WOULD BRING FORTH, THEN WE COULD WORK TOGETHER, FINE TUNE THAT, COME BACK WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH AND PERHAPS PLAN THAT WAY. I THINK THE THE BENEFIT WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR THE COUNCIL TO AT THAT POINT CONSIDER HEARING CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO AGAIN, I'M HOPEFUL THAT ONCE THE THESE CBB. MISS FRANKEL RETURNS AT THE END OF THE WEEK, WE CAN GET ON SCHEDULE TO MEET NEXT WEEK TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING AND ALSO WHAT I'VE SHARED THIS EVENING. 
          OKAY. AND AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT THEY ARE ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. I WANT TO WANT TO JUST WAIT FOR THIS MEETING TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE START SOMETHING. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WE DO HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON IN THE FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR FIFA. SO I, I MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE JUST NOT TO WAIT FOR, FOR THIS MEETING WITH THE CONVENTION VISITORS BUREAU BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS, YOU KNOW, CLEANING UP THE SIDEWALKS, MAKING SURE THAT THE THE ROADS ARE REPAVED IN TIME, MAKING SURE THE BEAUTIFICATION IS COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH MARTA, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF DOESN'T REALLY INVOLVE THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU LIKE THEY THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT. BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO HINGE ON STARTING UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WITH FOR THIS MEETING. SO YEAH, THAT'S IT. AND COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO I DIDN'T MENTION POLICE AND FIRE AND PUBLIC WORKS. THEY ARE MEETING TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. AND THOSE TYPE OF ASPECTS ARE CERTAINLY WAS KIND OF FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PIECE. BUT THERE ARE OTHER MEASURES AND DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE MEETING REGARDING THIS EVENT. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. WHAT IS THE DATE FOR THE FIFA? OKAY. SO THE DATE IS JUNE THE 11TH THROUGH JULY 19TH OF NEXT YEAR. OKAY. AND AND SPECIFICALLY THE DATES WITH RESPECT TO WHEN THE GAMES WILL TAKE PLACE IN ATLANTA WOULD BE JUNE 15TH, 18, 21, 24, 27. AND OF COURSE, JULY 1ST SEVEN AND A SEMIFINAL MATCH ON THE 15TH OF JULY. OKAY, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE. TO UTILIZE THE CITY? ARE YOU USING IT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WATCH THE GAME? DO YOU ANTICIPATE THEM COMING OUT HERE? YES. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE IDEAS IS TO HAVE A JUMBOTRON, MAYBE TWO AT EACH SITE. YOU KNOW, A BIG LARGE SCREEN THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD STEP BACK TO ONE OF THE IMAGES THAT KIND OF DISPLAYED. 
          YEAH, GO GO TO THE OTHER ONE. RIGHT. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S THAT WAS ACTUALLY OUT OF THE COMMONS YEARS AGO WHEN WE USED TO DO FRIDAY NIGHT FLICKS. AND SO I JUST PLOPPED THAT IN JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. BUT WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT JUST AT THE COMMON SITE, BUT ALSO AT JOHN MILNER SITE, AS WELL AS GEORGE SOCCER PARK AS WELL. SO RIGHT THERE, WHAT DETERMINES TO UTILIZE JOHN MILNER SITE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE OFTEN COMPLAINED ABOUT THE THE EVENTS THAT GO ON ON THE WEEKEND ALL DAY. SO WE HAVE A SOCCER PARK RIGHT HERE DOWNTOWN, WHICH I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST TO UTILIZE IT ONE BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEAR MARTA. SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO USE MARTA TO GET HERE, THEY CAN ALSO AND AND YOU SHOULD WORK WITH THE CVB BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAD A PLAN AND THEY ARE WORKING WITH IT AND THAT AND THEY'RE AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME BECAUSE THEY, THEY'VE BEEN HERE AND TALKED ABOUT IT. SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT'S ALSO DOING THE LEGWORK TO GET THEM HERE. BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE HEADS AND BEDS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOU CAN'T LEAVE THAT PIECE OUT. SO THEY HAVE A MAJOR PART IN GETTING PEOPLE HERE TO THE CITY TO PUT HEADS IN BEDS. NOW, MY THING IS YOU WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT DOWNTOWN. WHAT YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON IS TRYING TO GET NEW BUSINESS HERE. SO WHEN THEY DO COME, THEY'LL HAVE NICE 
          [02:20:06]
RESTAURANTS TO GO EAT AT, PLACES TO GO VISIT, AND FOR OUR DOWNTOWN, I'M SURE THAT THE THE THE STREETSCAPE WOULD BE DONE. I'M SURE THAT THE ROAD PAVING WOULD BE DONE AS WELL. AND FOR AS THE PLANTERS, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. AS WELL AS MORE TRASH CANS TO PUT OUT. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LET THE BUSINESS OWNERS KNOW AND THE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN TO TRY TO KEEP THE AREAS CLEAN, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PUT THEIR TRASH IN THE TRASH CAN. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE LITTER CLEANUP, PART OF THE LITTER PICKUP. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IF SINCE THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT THE IS IT THE ASSISTANT WHO'S HAVING A MEETING, WHO'S BEEN ON THE MEETINGS WITH ABOUT THE FEE FOR YOU, DO YOU HAVE LIKE AN UPDATE OR WHAT YOU ALL TALK ABOUT IN THE MEETINGS? FOR THIS? TONIGHT? YEAH, I WAS JUST THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WAS GOING TO RESPOND. SO. THANK YOU, MR. CITY MANAGER. MADAM CHAIR. SO IT HAS BEEN PRELIMINARY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO FIND OUT IS FROM A COLLECTIVE WITHIN THE REGION, WHAT IS THE CITY OF ATLANTA PLANNING? WHAT ARE WE DOING AS FAR AS BEING, YOU KNOW, A SPOKEN THAT WILL I'VE ALSO SPOKEN WITH THE FIRE CHIEF AS WELL AS POLICE CHIEF AND DIRECTOR REEVES. THEY ARE EACH COORDINATING WITH THEIR COLLEAGUES BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH I THINK DIRECTOR ROGERS ALLUDED TO, ALL OF OUR ROADWAYS COMING IN. SO WE WE AS A CITY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COORDINATE OUR OWN WELCOME SIGNAGE, OUR BANNERS, ANY FLIERS, ANY ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PLAYING UP OUR CITY. FIFA DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO ANY OF THAT. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN MORE OF A FACT FINDING, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT FIFA CONTRIBUTES, WHICH IS NOTHING AS WELL AS WHAT ARE GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO ORDERING? WHAT IS OUR TIME FRAME FOR GETTING THEM? SO MEETING WITH MISS FRANCOIS NEXT WEEK TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BUSINESS BUREAUS, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND MAKING CERTAIN THAT THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE IS TIED INTO THAT, AND SO THAT WE CAN ALSO WORK ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKING IT PRETTY, AS WELL AS MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE LITERATURE TO EDUCATE OUR BUSINESSES, LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. AS YOU SAID, JUST BEDS AND HEADS, PEOPLE BEING PREPARED TO, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS SHOULD BOOM. AND WE SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT. ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT FROM THE CELEBRATORY SIDE IS AFTER PARTIES, CELEBRATORY THINGS. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE IN EASTPOINTE TO PULL THAT BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE STAYING IN OUR HOTELS? SO IT'S A VERY BRIEF UPDATE. I WILL HAVE MORE IN THE FUTURE THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO SHARE THOUGH. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SO AND IT'S KIND OF TAKES ME BACK TO THE 1996. 
          GAME OF OLYMPIAN WHEN THEY CAME, AND I THINK EVERY CITY PREPARED FOR THEM TO COME. BUT I THINK THE THE GIST OF IT WAS THE MAJORITY PRETTY MUCH DID EVERYTHING WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE BRANCHED OFF AS MUCH AS WHAT OTHER CITIES ANTICIPATED. SO I WOULD RATHER FOR US TO STILL BE PREPARED, BUT JUST KNOW THAT ALWAYS KEEP THAT IN MIND. THE WHEN THEY BROUGHT THE OLYMPICS HERE, AND MAYBE THE CITY CAN GO BACK AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT TOOK PLACE. HOW DID THAT DO? AND THAT'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS FOR THE FIFA. BUT I STILL SAY THE CVB PLAYS A VERY BIG PART BECAUSE THEY WILL BE WORKING TO GET HEADS AND BEDS, BRINGING PEOPLE HERE TO THE CITY. SO THEREFORE WE CAN FOCUS ON DOWNTOWN, MAKING SURE THAT OUR DOWNTOWN LOOKS VERY NICE AND, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE AND HOPEFULLY TO PULL MORE BUSINESS IN HERE. AND WE DO HAVE A SOCCER FIELD RIGHT THERE NEXT TO US, PIZZA 
          [02:25:03]
THAT WE CAN UTILIZE AS OPPOSED TO SENDING THEM TO JOHNNY MILLER. BECAUSE ONE, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FROM HERE, THEY WILL BE TRAVELING BY MARTA. MARTA IS JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S EASY ACCESS, EASY ACCESS. SO I'M LOOKING FOR YOU ALL TO BRING BACK AN UPDATE. 
          HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET CVB BACK IN HERE TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHAT ARE THEIR PLANS AND THEIR GOALS, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT AS WELL AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE THE WORKING GROUP. I SAW THAT IN THE SLIDE. YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND THEN SO IT'S BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL. AND THE TWO EXTERNAL PARTNERS THAT I SAW WERE THE CVB AND MARTA. AND I HEARD THE PRESENTATION OF THE INFORMATION FROM MISS ROGERS IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH THE BUSINESS. BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ALSO HAVING THE BUSINESS LEAGUE IF THERE'S A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS LEAGUE AS A PART OF THAT? I FEEL THAT IF THEY'RE NOT A PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THEN THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM RATHER THAN WITH THEM. WHEN YOU SHOWED THE SLIDE OF, I GUESS, THE BOUNDARIES OF WHERE AN EXPERIENCE WOULD BE DOWNTOWN, IT WAS THE COMMONS. I ASSUME THAT YOU DID THAT BECAUSE IT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY, CORRECT? WELL, YES. AND IT'S IT'S KNOWN AS OUR GATHERING PLACE FOR LARGE GROUPS. OKAY. SO WHEN PEOPLE GET OFF THE MARTA, THE WAY THAT I WOULD REALLY SORT OF ENVISION THIS, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE EXPERIENCES GOING THE COMMONS ARE BLOCKS AWAY. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE BUSINESSES A PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EXTENDING HOURS OF SERVICE, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ENCOURAGING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE NEW STREETSCAPE, MULTIMODAL SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE EXPANDED, OUTDOOR DINING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. WHEN PEOPLE ARE WATCHING SOCCER, A LOT OF TIMES THEY LIKE TO, PARTICULARLY THE DEMOGRAPHIC WHO ARE FOLLOWING FIFA AND FIFA FANS. THEY LIKE TO DRINK BEER. WE HAVE A WHOLE BREWERY HERE IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO SHOWCASE THE BREWERY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? WE ALSO HAVE TACO PETE. I LOVE THE THEME OF SOCCER AND SOUL, BUT HOW DO WE REALLY PUT THAT OUT? TO SHOW PEOPLE A PART OF THE SOUL OF THE SOUTH OR THE SOUL OF EAST POINT, AND THEN ALSO HIGHLIGHT BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT IS EAT MY BISCUIT OR THUMBS UP. SO MY VISION SEEMS TO BE THAT THERE'S OUTDOOR DINING AND ALL OF THOSE AREAS AND EXPERIENCES WAY BEFORE YOU GET TO THE COMMONS. 
          IT'S VERY DISCONNECTED, AND I'M THINKING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BUSINESSES AT THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS. AND WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY? DO WE NEED TO RELAX OUR OPEN CARRY LAWS BECAUSE THAT'S ALL A PART OF EXPERIENCES AND THE IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE. I DON'T KNOW IF THREE IS ENOUGH, LIKE IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO CLEAN UP MARTA AND FIX THE STREETS AND DO ONE OTHER, IS THAT REALLY AN EXPERIENCE? IS THAT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO DRAW PEOPLE TO THE CITY OF EAST POINT? THE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF, OF COURSE, YOUR SLIDE NUMBER TEN, I REALLY LIKED BECAUSE THAT'S REVENUE ENHANCEMENT. AND I DID SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS A PART OF THE WORKING GROUP. IN TERMS OF REVENUE ENHANCEMENT, HAVE YOU ALSO CONSIDERED THE FACT THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PERMITTED WITHIN THE CITY OF EAST POINT? THAT'S A NASTY WORD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THOSE SHORT TERM RENTALS. BUT THE FACT IS, IS THAT WHERE WE ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY LOCATED, BETWEEN THE MERCEDES-BENZ STADIUM, WHERE THE MAJOR EVENTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AND THE WORLD'S BUSIEST PASSENGER AIRPORT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STAY IN HOTELS AND IN SHORT TERM RENTALS. THOSE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE ALSO SUBJECTED TO HOTEL MOTEL TAX. SO IF WE'RE NOT MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE PERMITTED AND REGISTERED WITH THE CITY, WE'RE A LOSING REVENUE THAT WOULD PAY FOR A LOT OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU PRESENTED. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROBABLY INVITING A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE USUALLY QUIET. AND SO THEN RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN. 
          SO WE'VE GOT TO GET BEHIND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO DO IT. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE PERMITTED, THAT WE'RE RECEIVING THE DOLLARS FOR THOSE PERMITS, THAT WE HAVE. ALL OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE AUTHORIZED AGENTS FOR THOSE IN CASE THERE ARE A LOT OF NOISES AND RUCKUS BEHAVIOR, THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED EFFICIENTLY VERSUS US TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO OWNS IT, WHO'S THE AGENT AND WHO TO GO TO. 
          YOUR VERY FIRST SLIDE SHOWED OUR FOUNTAIN. I NOTICED THAT OUR FOUNTAIN HAS NOT BEEN ON 
          [02:30:01]
FOR A WHILE. IS THAT A PART OF THE PLAN TO GET THAT GOING AGAIN? YES, IT WOULD BE. AND IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE WITH RESPECT TO CITY HALL, HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO, TO ADDRESS THAT UP. IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE MANUFACTURE THE VARIOUS COMPANY COUNTRIES THAT WOULD BE PLAYING THE MATCHES, THE GAMES THEMSELVES, AND WE GENERATE BANNERS PROMOTING THAT ALSO. AND WE COULD CERTAINLY LIGHT UP, FOR EXAMPLE, CITY HALL. THAT WOULD REFLECT THE COLORS OF THAT PARTICULAR TEAM OF COUNTRIES THAT MIGHT BE PLAYING. 
          AND WE COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH THE FOUNTAIN AS WELL. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT, OF COURSE, I DIDN'T TOUCH ON THAT WE CAN DO TO REALLY ENHANCE THE APPEAL OF JUST SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE HEARD IS THE FOUNTAIN BROKEN? IS THAT WHY IT'S NOT ON OR. AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I CAN CERTAINLY WE CAN INQUIRE. I'M NOT SURE COUNCILMEMBER CAN'T HELP WITH THAT. SO YES, THE FOUNTAIN IS BROKEN. WE ARE WAITING FOR PARTS RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT AT A VICTIM OF THOSE PARTS COMING IN. BUT THERE IT IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REPAIRED. OKAY. SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT BEING SPECTATORS. AND WE'RE REALLY CONSIDERING THIS, A PARTICIPATORY SPORT VERSUS A SPECTATOR SPORT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO US. WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL REVENUE. WE'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH THAT WE CAN OFFER, PARTICULARLY IF WE REALLY MAKE IT A DESTINATION. SO WHEN PEOPLE GET OFF THE MARTA, THEN THINGS ARE HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY AND WE SHOULD AT THAT POINT HAVE A BEAUTIFUL STREETSCAPE. THERE SHOULD BE DINING UP AND DOWN THAT MOBILE TRANS ALL OVER THE PLACE, REALLY, SO THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN COME HERE SO THEY CAN SPEND MORE DOLLARS TO OUR AT OUR BUSINESSES. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO, TO SHARE. AND I THINK THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. WE'RE TALKING THREE MONTHS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND THEN SIX MONTHS. SO THAT'S NINE MONTHS. AND SO I DON'T KNOW, MR. JONES, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A DIRECTIVE OF THIS BODY TO START THESE GROUP MEETINGS LAST WEEK OR WHEN, BUT TO JUST TALK ABOUT IDEAS NOW, WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THE PLANS, CREATING A TIMELINE AND MANAGING AGAINST THOSE SO THAT WE CAN MEET THOSE DEADLINES AND BE READY FOR WHEN THIS COMES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. JOHNSON, YOU NEED A DIRECTIVE. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE, AND COUNCIL'S DESIRE HAS BEEN CLEAR. YOU NEED A DIRECTIVE. I, I GET THE PICTURE. YEP. COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF ECHO A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE. AND HONESTLY, WE ARE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. WE SHOULD HAVE PLANS IN PLACE. THE IDEAS ARE GREAT, BUT I THINK NUMBER ONE, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, I WANT TO GO AGAINST, I KNOW MY COLLEAGUE SHROPSHIRE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S ALL OVER, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. I THINK JOHN MILNER, IF WE LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS THERE FOR FRIDAY NIGHT, FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS, YOU HAD A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT CAME OUT. I MEAN, THEY WERE OUT PLAYING FLAG FOOTBALL AND T BALL. IT WAS LIKE EIGHT. 
          IT WAS LATE IN THE EVENING TIME AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT. THOSE EIGHT GAMES THAT ARE HERE. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY DO SOME FAN EXPERIENCES, MAYBE FOR THE BIGGER GAMES IF YOU DO SOMETHING MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN. BUT THERE SHOULD BE VIEWING PARTIES FOR EACH ONE OF THESE GAMES. I'M LOOKING AT THE TICKET PRICES. YOU'RE STARTING AT 250. THESE TICKETS GO UP TO $35,000. WE WERE AT A BREAKFAST WITH COO BURKS OF THE CITY OF ATLANTA. SHE ALREADY SAID THAT THE CITY OF ATLANTA PRETTY MUCH WILL BE ENTERTAINING THE PLAYERS, THE DIGNITARIES. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS SUPPOSEDLY THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING TO COME IN. SO THAT'S A PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND I THINK JUST EVEN LOOKING AT TICKET PRICES, I THINK I WANT TO SAY SHELBY ALSO MENTIONED THEY'RE BUYING A TICKETS. THEY'RE IN BULK. SO SOME PEOPLE, I MEAN, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD ALL EIGHT GAMES, BUT YOU CAN DEFINITELY COME TO EASTPOINTE AND VIEW THOSE GAMES. JOHN D MILLER PARK, I THINK IS AN EXCELLENT LOCATION. LIKE I SAID, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT DOING SOME SHUTTLING. AND BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THE HOTELS THAT ARE ON VIRGINIA AVENUE, THOSE THAT ARE AT CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE, MAYBE EVEN GETTING WITH MANAGEMENT OVER AT CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE, HAVE VIEWING PARTIES THERE. THERE'S A SOCCER FIELD. WE HAVE THE BREWERY THAT'S HERE. WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, I THINK CERTAIN AREAS, SPACES CARVED OUT TO HAVE LIKE THAT SORT OF WALKING VIEW, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AREA THAT PEOPLE CAN COME AND VIEW THE GAMES. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS IT'S 
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GOING TO BE MASS, MASS, MASS ADVERTISING. I'VE MENTIONED TO MISS FRANCOIS ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS ABOUT WHEN I WAS AT THE AIRPORT, AT BAGGAGE CLAIM, WAITING. THEY HAVE SCREENS THERE AND THEY TALK ABOUT, I THINK, THE CITY OF VILLARRICA, DOUGLASVILLE. AND SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS KEY FOR GETTING THAT DONE FOR THEM. I'VE ASKED FOR THAT FOR EASTPOINTE. WE COULD BE ADVERTISING NOW WHAT IT IS, OUR PLAN, WHAT IT IS THAT WE PLAN ON DOING FOR THE FIFA GAMES. I'VE SENT HER PICTURES OF THE DIGITAL BOXES. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE THAT'S IN EASTPOINTE. I MEAN, IN THE CITY HALL FOR WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE HERE IN EASTPOINTE. BUT THOSE DIGITAL BOXES CAN BE THERE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT, HEY, THE FIFA GAMES ARE COMING IN JUNE OF 2026. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN EASTPOINTE. THAT ADVERTISEMENT NEEDS TO BE GOING ON NOW. THE CVB, THEY SHOULD BE DOING THEIR JOB GETTING THIS STUFF OUT TO THESE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. SO THESE COUNTRIES THAT ARE PLAYING HERE, INFORMATION SHOULD BE GOING OUT TO THEM, LETTING THEM KNOW, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HAVING IN EASTPOINTE. YOUR COUNTRY IS PLAYING ON THIS DAY. WE HAVE THIS BIG DAY SET UP. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DEFINITELY ARE 100% BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. THIS STUFF SHOULD BE OUT. THOSE DIGITAL BOXES SHOULD BE UP. I'LL GIVE HER A CALL AGAIN. I'M GOING TO ASK HER ABOUT IT. I MEAN, AND I THINK JUST NOT ONLY FOR THE FIFA GAMES, BUT JUST BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE DO THEIR ADVERTISEMENT EVENTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE. THEY CAN BE IN THOSE DIGITAL BOXES, AND I HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE EXACTLY WHERE IT IS, THE SIGNAGE, THE GATEWAY SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, THAT'S WHAT HOTEL MOTEL MONEY. IT COVERS IT. I, I READ IT IN THE DCA. I FIND OUT EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. I KNOW PARKS AND RECS. MR. PINKERTON. THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT. THEY'VE COME BEFORE US A COUPLE TIMES WITH DIFFERENT SIGNAGE IDEAS. WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS STUFF, AND MOST DEFINITELY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. BECAUSE, I MEAN, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE ARE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. OUR STUFF SHOULD BE IN PLACE AND WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING IT TOGETHER, EVEN IF YOU JUST PUT IT TOGETHER. WE WANT TO HAVE THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. GIVE IT TO US. WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW WE NEED TO GET IT DONE. BUT I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE THE PLAN IN PLACE. GREAT, GREAT IDEAS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A PLAN THAT WE WANT TO DO THIS ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY AT THESE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS. AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN KIND OF SAY, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'LL WORK HERE, BUT DEFINITELY GIVE RESIDENTS EASTPOINTE, THE 38,000 RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO VARIOUS PLACES. EVERYBODY SHOULDN'T BE PACKED BECAUSE IF THEY DO, LET'S JUST SAY 20,000 COME SPREAD THEM OUT. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA LOCATION. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE THE BREWERY THAT'S THERE. GREAT PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT AND YOU KNOW, AND ADVERTISE AND TO DO SOME EVENTS. THERE'S SOME VIEWING PARTIES SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY WITH REGARDS TO THAT, BUT I DO I LOVE THE PASSPORT IDEA. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. I YIELD. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS. SO HOPEFULLY WE WANT TO START BUILDING A COMMENT SOON. I WAS KIND OF JUST SITTING HERE THINKING KIND OF I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER STARKS, HE TOUCHED ON IT. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT UTILIZING OUR HOTEL BARS AND LOUNGES ON CAMP CREEK AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? YES. SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ONE OF THE IDEAS, CAMP CREEK, WE'VE NOT GOTTEN THAT DEEP IN THE WEEDS, BUT CERTAINLY THE FACT THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE THE LOCATIONS LENDS ITSELF TO PUTTING SOME MEAT ON THE BONE, SO TO SPEAK, TO FIND OUT AND DISCUSS REALLY WHAT WE CAN DO, THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT AND IMPACTFUL FOR THE CITY REALLY PREPARING ITSELF FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THIS IS JUST THE FIRST PASS. AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, REALLY JUST TRYING TO GET A PULSE FROM YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THE IDEAS. 
          AND THEN FROM HERE, WE WOULD REALLY PULL IT ALL TOGETHER MORE CONCRETELY WITH A, A, A SOLID PLAN. NOW THAT WE CAN BUILD ON AND ADVANCE IT FORWARD. OKAY, I ONLY MENTION THAT BECAUSE I KNOW. LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WANT HEADS AND BEDS. WE WANT TO WE DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD OUR I MEAN I WOULD SAY OUR DOWNTOWN, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. NOW I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S NECESSARILY SET UP FOR A FIFA CROWD. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE LACK OF RESTAURANTS. I THINK WE HAVE OTHER BIG EVENTS DOWNTOWN THERE COMPLAINTS. SO I CAN IMAGINE A 6 TO 7 DAY FESTIVAL, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. ALSO, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK EVEN WITH WITH OUR HOTEL OWNERS DOWN THERE. AND EVEN IS ITS ABUNDANCE OF RESTAURANTS ON CAMP CREEK. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO BEAUTIFY THAT OR GET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TAKE A PICTURE LIKE THOSE IDEAS DO LIKE A SCAVENGER HUNT AROUND. I KNOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESIDENTS OVER THERE. I HAD ANOTHER THING. YEAH. WHAT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE? CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT IF WE START BUILDING A COMMONS? HOPEFULLY, KNOCK ON WOOD. SO WHAT IF THAT'S NOT AN OPTION? JUST. SO IF WE WERE TO START 
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CONSTRUCTION AT THE COMMONS, LIKE NEXT WEEK, WE WOULD SIMPLY RELOCATE. WE COULD PIVOT AGAIN. 
          LOOK AT. YOU KNOW, JOHN MILNER. THAT WOULD BE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE HOSPITALITY DISTRICT. SOMEONE MENTIONED THE BREWERY. WE COULD AT LEAST HAVE PERHAPS A DIVIDE SHUTTLE SERVICE. THAT WOULD REALLY CREATE A NICE LOOP BETWEEN DOWNTOWN HOSPITALITY DISTRICT. 
          BREWERY AND AND EVEN IF WE WERE TO FOLD IN THEN CAMP CREEK, WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE THE STRING OF HOTELS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THE RESTAURANTS AND SHOPPING TO COUNCILWOMAN INSTRUCTIONS POINT THE FACT THAT WATER RUNS RIGHT THROUGH DOWNTOWN EASTPOINTE DIRECTLY FROM THE AIRPORT, AND DOWNTOWN ATLANTA PUTS US IN IN PRIME POSITION FOR THAT. AND SO AS PEOPLE GET OFF AND ON THE OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING ACTIVITY REALLY RIGHT, DOWNTOWN IS GOING TO BE A PLUS PLUS FOR US. AND SO THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. BUT THEN THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT THE THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE AND WE LOOK AT HOW WE CAN BEST UTILIZE THEM FOR THIS PURPOSE. DEFINITELY. I THINK MOST OF OUR RESTAURANTS AND EXCITING LOUNGES AND STUFF ARE MORE SO IN THE CAMP CREEK AREA. SO THAT MAY THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD. EVEN IF THEY WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL FOR HOTELS TO HAVE SCREENING PARTIES. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, DRINK, BE MERRY, THEN GO TO BED. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY ADVERTISE IT LIKE THAT. SO. AND DEFINITELY WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS, OUR DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BLOW THEM DOWN WITH SEVEN DAYS OF DRUNKEN SOCCER FANS THAT MIGHT GET OLD, BUT OKAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND AND JUST TO TO CLEAR SOMETHING UP, I MENTIONED DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE TO MARTA. AND USUALLY WHEN PEOPLE COME AND TOUR TOURISM, THEY LIKE TO TAKE MARTA BECAUSE THEY ONE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH, WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PLACES AND THE DIFFERENT STREETS AND AREAS. SO IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO TAKE MODERN. NOT THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE THINGS IN OTHER AREAS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS OVER IN EAST WASHINGTON HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE EVENTS THAT GO ON ON THE WEEKEND. SO HERE'S A SUGGESTION. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING A TOWN HALL MEETING TO MEET WITH THESE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, TO SEE WHAT IDEAS OR WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WANT, OR IF THEY'RE UP FOR HAVING THESE EVENTS OR IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS? SO WE'VE NOT GOTTEN THERE YET, COUNCILWOMAN, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN THAT THAT CAN BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. CERTAINLY HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY OVER IN THE EAST WASHINGTON AREA, TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK, TO SEE WHAT ARE THEIR THOUGHTS. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT THE THAT FIFA IS COMING, BUT I STILL SAY IF YOU UTILIZE YOUR DOWNTOWN, THAT'S GOING TO DRAW MORE BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEAR MARTA, JUST LIKE COLLEGE PARK. IF THEY TAKE MARTA TO COLLEGE PARK, THEY HAVE ALL THOSE RESTAURANTS RIGHT THERE. SO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH COLLEGE PARK. SO IF WE CAN FOCUS ON TRYING TO DRIVE NEW ■BUSINESS IN HERE IN OUR DOWNTOWN, THAT WILL HELP AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, WE HAVE A SOCCER FIELD RIGHT THERE BETWEEN US PIZZA. SO IF IT'S JUST FOR VIEWING, YOU CAN PUT A BIG SCREEN RIGHT THERE. AND LIKE ONE COUNCIL PERSON SAID, THE HOTELS CAN ALSO SET UP A VIEWING PARTY. THEY CAN DO LITTLE THINGS TO GET THE PEOPLE THERE, RIGHT THERE. BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE MORE ACTIVITY IS GOING TO BE GEARED TOWARDS DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE QUITE MORE TO DO. THANK YOU. YES, THE QUESTION WHEN I SAW THE AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE RING AROUND THE COMMONS AREA, BUT HAVE YOU DECIDED ON WHEN WE WERE PREPARING FOR THE CENTENNIAL OLYMPIC GAMES, WE HAD AN OLYMPIC RING, SO WE KNEW WHERE EFFORTS AND ENERGIES WERE FOCUSED. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT A RING OR A BOUNDARY WHERE WE CAN FOCUS FOR THE DOWNTOWN PORTION OF THIS, OUR EFFORTS, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE 
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SURE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IS OUR FRONT DOOR IS READY, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE BOUNDARIES WOULD BE? NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT WE WILL BE MEETING TO DISCUSS, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. I MEAN, THESE THESE ARE JUST THOUGHTS THAT THAT I PUT DOWN IDEAS MOVING FORWARD. AND AND OF COURSE, THIS IS THE FIRST PASS, BUT I PROMISE YOU WE WILL WE WILL KEEP THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION, COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE THAT IS THAT'S GOOD. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE KEY. ALL OF THE INPUT THAT WE CAN GARNER IS GOING TO BE KEY TO MAKING THIS A SUCCESS. YEAH, BECAUSE IT JUST HELPS TO DRIVE EFFORTS AND RESOURCES AND THE COLLABORATION, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT AREA SO THAT WE WOULD BE READY. THE OTHER THING IS THAT HAVE YOU ALSO CONSIDERED USING THE GATED PARKING LOT THAT MARTA OWNS? SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SPACE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE TAKING MARTA, IN ADDITION TO COMING TO OUR DOWNTOWN AND SOME OTHER AREAS, BUT THERE COULD BE A HUGE JUMBOTRON AT THE END OF THAT. FOOD TRUCKS LINE THROUGH THAT AND PEOPLE WATCHING THAT GAME. THERE'S A WHOLE EXPERIENCE THAT CAN HAPPEN OVER THERE. YES, SIR. 
          SO AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO MEET WITH MARTA TO, FIRST OF ALL, FIND OUT WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE AND SHARE WITH THEM WHAT OUR PLANS ARE, AND THEN LOOK AT WHAT COLLABORATION WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TOGETHER, BECAUSE THAT IS A SITE. IS THERE OVERFLOW SITE JUST FOR THESE TYPE OF EVENTS? AND WE HAVE UTILIZED THAT, THAT, THAT PARKING AREA BEFORE IN THE PAST FOR VARIOUS LARGE GATHERINGS. AND SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. BUT ALSO I SHOULD SAY THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER CARE SIDE AS A A PARKING VENUE THAT WE COULD GENERATE INCOME STREAM FROM AS WELL, BECAUSE DURING THE AFTER HOURS THAT MIGHT BE A VERY NICE PLUS. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THERE MIGHT BE AREA AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING THAT I MENTIONED OR MAY NOT HAVE MENTIONED VERY MUCH IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AGAIN, OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT COULD HAPPEN AROUND THE VELODROME ITSELF, WHAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO ON THERE AS WELL? AND SO WE HAVE THESE, THESE, THESE VENUES. THAT WOULD BE A PLUS. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT WE WANT TO ZERO IN ON MOVING FORWARD. AND I THINK THAT WOULD THAT'S THE THIS THEN BECOMES A PRIME EXAMPLE OPPORTUNITY I SHOULD SAY TO TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. SO I'VE HEARD A FEW THINGS IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL SITES WITHIN AROUND THE CITY. AND SO I DO LIKE THE IDEA THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE MENTIONED ABOUT HEARING FROM THE RESIDENTS, NOT ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE VELODROME, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, MILNER, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. AND THEN IF YOU'RE THE COMMONS, IT'S RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AROUND THAT. SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT NOT ONLY FOR THIS EFFORT, BUT FOR ANY OF OUR BIG EVENTS THAT WE DO IN THE CITY. GET FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE MOST DIRECTLY IMPACTED WOULD BE GOOD. IN ADDITION, IF WE'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS FOR THE FIFA WORLD CUP COMING TO EASTPOINTE. ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILMEMBER COLEMAN. OH, I'M SORRY, I JUST I HIT MY LIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY. SO SO I'LL BE BRIEF. WE SPENT PROBABLY ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF OR MORE ON THIS TOPIC ALREADY. DISCUSSION ALREADY. THERE WAS A MEETING ON APRIL 23RD OF THIS YEAR HELD BY CONVENED BY FULTON COUNTY OF ALL OF THE MAYORS AND CITY COUNCILS OF THE 15 CITIES IN FULTON COUNTY, WITH THE. I THINK IT WAS THE CHAIR. THE CHAIR OF THE FIFA COMMITTEE AND THE PERSON FROM ATLANTA. ONE OF THE KEY THINGS AND KEY TAKEAWAYS WAS THAT FIFA IS EXTREMELY PROPRIETARY. PROPRIETARY CAN'T EVEN SAY IT RIGHT NOW, MEANING YOU CAN'T USE THE WORD, YOU CAN'T USE THE LOGO, YOU CAN'T USE THE ACRONYM. AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ANY FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE SOCCER AND SOUL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FIFA'S PERMISSION TO BE TALKING ABOUT FIFA IN THIS WAY, AS IF WE'RE PROMOTING FIFA EVENTS. THE OTHER THING WAS THEY TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT POLICIES THAT ATLANTA IS LOOKING AT IN PREPARATION FOR FIFA SHORT TERM RENTAL PARTY HOUSES, OPEN CONTAINER DISTRICTS, EXTENDED POUR HOURS AND NO EVENTS IN CITY BUILDINGS AND PARKS UNTIL THE CITY DECIDES WHAT IT'S GOING TO USE ITS FACILITIES FOR AS IT RELATES TO THIS WORLD. SOCCER EXPERIENCE ALSO TALKED ABOUT INVOLVING CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU OR TOURISM AROUND FOOD AND BEVERAGE, GROUND TRANSPORTATION AND ENTERTAINMENT. AND THERE'S AN INITIATIVE CALLED SHOWCASE ATLANTA. AND INVEST ATLANTA IS 
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EITHER COMPLETED OR WORKING ON A SMALL BUSINESS CERTIFICATION PROCESS FOR CATERERS, TRANSPORTATION, LIKE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT COULD SUPPORT THE EVENT. AND AFTER THEY GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS, THEY WOULD BE LIKE, THESE ARE THE PERSONS YOU SHOULD USE AND THEY'RE TRAINING SESSIONS PROVIDING THEM TRAINING SESSIONS ON BEING PREPARED TO HOW TO, YOU KNOW, EMBRACE THE WORLD COMING TO THIS REGION. IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, I'VE HAD RESIDENTS ASK ME LIKE, MAYOR, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO GET INVOLVED? HOW CAN WE VOLUNTEER FOR FIFA? THERE IS A FIFA VOLUNTEER ARMY AND A OFFICIAL ENTITY MANAGED BY THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM IS MANAGED BY FIFA VOLUNTEER ARMY, AND THE HOST COMMITTEE IS WORKING WITH FIFA. SO THERE'S AN ATLANTA HOST COMMITTEE. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE. BUT THEN THERE'S FIFA. SO NOBODY'S TALKED DIRECTLY TO FIFA. IT'S THE ATLANTA HOST COMMITTEE WHO'S WORKING WITH FIFA, WHO'S BASICALLY SAID FIFA'S FOCUS. IF IT'S FIVE MILE RADIUS AROUND THE MERCEDES-BENZ STADIUM, AND IF IT'S NOT WITHIN THAT FIVE MILE RADIUS, IT'S NOT LIKELY TO BE AN OFFICIAL FIFA EVENT. AND THERE BE THERE BE THEY'RE VERY PROPRIETARY AROUND IT AND EVEN VERY LITIGIOUS OR LEGAL ABOUT IT. AND SO I THINK AS WE'RE THINKING THROUGH THIS, AGAIN, USING THE ACRONYM POTENTIALLY COULD CAUSE SOME CHALLENGES, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM AND ALL OF THE THINGS. AND I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT WAS, WHETHER IT WAS WORLD CUP AND FIFA OR THOSE THINGS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL SHOULD BE TALKING TO. THE ATLANTA HOST COMMITTEE, THEY WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT AND CAUTIONING CITIES ABOUT, AS YOU PROMOTE WHATEVER YOU PROMOTE MOVING FORWARD TO NOT DO THAT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO CALL IT SOCCER AND SO WHATEVER THAT IS. BUT I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SYSTEM THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOGISTICAL THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. AND THEN WE ALL WANT ALL OF THAT TO WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE AN EXPERIENCE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OPEN CONTAINER LAWS ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I POUR OURS ARE I DON'T KNOW I KNOW WE DO OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL, TRY TO DEAL WITH PARTY HOUSES, BUT IT'S LIKELY NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH AROUND THOSE THINGS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL WANTS TO CREATE. 
          OPEN CONTAINER DISTRICT IN AN AREA OR AREAS OF TOWN TO BE PREPARED AHEAD OF THAT. IF WE WANT TO EXTEND POUR HOURS AND THEN TO MAKE SURE OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCES ARE. 
          WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. SO MAYBE WHATEVER Y'ALL CALL IT, IT'S A DISCUSSION NEXT MONTH ON POLICIES AND ORDINANCES REGARDING THAT, BECAUSE IF THOSE NEED TO BE AMENDED, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE TRYING TO ADDRESS TOO. AS A PART OF THIS OVERALL PLAN. AND. 
          I WOULD ALSO SAY WORKING WITH SOCCER IN THE STREET, I MEAN, THERE'S MENTION OF THE SOCCER FIELD AND DOWN TOWN, EAST POINT, IT IS THE THIRD SOCCER FIELD ON THE WORLD'S FIRST TRANSIT SOCCER LEAGUE. IT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT AROUND THE WORLD. SOCCER IN THE STREET IS AN AMAZING PARTNER OF THE CITY, AND SO YOU ALL SHOULD REACH OUT TO THEM TOO. BUT MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK FOR NEXT MONTH, I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO CALL IT, BUT FOR NOW WE'LL SAY SOCCER. AND SO POLICIES AND ORDINANCES. BUT THE YOU KNOW, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE IS, I THINK IS A UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS FROM THIS BOARD, THIS COUNCIL AND TAKING ACTIONS. I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING EACH MEETING OR AT LEAST Y'ALL UPDATING AS TO WHERE WE ARE AROUND ACTUAL FORMULATION OF PLANS THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED AND EXECUTED. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER. ITEM NUMBER 30 AND 31. MR. JONES, 
          [Items IV.30. - IV.32.]
THIS IS THESE TWO. WE'LL DO 30, 31 AND 32. THOSE ARE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL I INTRODUCE DIRECTOR SMITH TO WALK US THROUGH THESE ITEMS. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL KIMBERLY SMITH, PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, 
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ALONG WITH MR. LEE KELLY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT. TODAY, WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS BEFORE YOU THAT ARE GOING TO COME BACK FOR ACTION ON NEXT MONDAY. DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. THE FIRST CASE IS LOCATED AT ZERO THORNBURY DRIVE, KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER 202500108. THERE'S ASSOCIATED CASE FOR A USE PERMIT KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER P2 025200108. THERE'S ALSO A CONCURRENT VARIANCE. INCLUDED WITH THIS APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT IS CMC DEVELOPMENT GROUP. THE REQUEST IS FOR A REZONING FROM OUR EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT TO M1 MEDICAL INSTITUTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSOLIDATING THREE PARCELS WITH A CONCURRENT VARIANCE TO REDUCE PARKING REQUIREMENT. THE CURRENT ZONING IS EDUCATIONAL. INSTITUTIONAL. AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS REDEVELOPMENT IN THIS REDEVELOPMENT AREA. AS YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED, MOST OF THE AREA IS REDEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S KIND OF HOUSED IN THE MIDDLE OF A SEA OF REDEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN THIS AREA, THE FUTURE PLANNING IS GEARED FOR AN ASSORTMENT OF HOUSING TYPES, WHICH INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY HOMES, AS WELL AS MULTIFAMILY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING FOR EDUCATIONAL, INSTITUTIONAL TO MEDICAL, INSTITUTIONAL AND ALSO TO CONSOLIDATE THE PARCELS AND THE APPROVED THE VARIANCE FOR REDUCED PARKING. THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, AND THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF OUR PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM COMPONENT OF THE USE PERMIT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL. SO FOR THE USE PERMIT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT, IT IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 138 ASSISTED SENIOR LIVING UNITS. ONCE THE MEDICAL INSTITUTIONAL IS ACTUALLY ACTED UPON BY THIS BODY, IT HAS TO BE ZONED THE MEDICAL INSTITUTIONAL IN ORDER FOR THE USE PERMIT TO MOVE FORWARD. SO. WHILE THEY ARE CONNECTED AND CAN'T HAVE THE USE PERMIT APPLICATION WITHOUT THE ACTUAL APPROVAL OF THE MEDICAL INSTITUTIONAL ZONING. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE REZONING FIRST AND THEN THE USE PERMIT SECTION SECOND. AND STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THE USE PERMIT PORTION. SO I UNDERSTAND CAN YOU PULL UP WHAT THE PERMITTED USES ARE IN M-1? I MEAN, WHEN I THINK MEDICAL INSTITUTION, I THINK MEDICAL, THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? SO IS THERE A MEDICAL COMPONENT TO IT? THERE ISN'T A MEDICAL COMPONENT TO IT. THE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY IS A USE PERMIT IN THE MEDICAL INSTITUTIONAL. 
          AND BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS THREE PARCELS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, TWO OF THE PARCELS ARE ALREADY ZONED MEDICAL INSTITUTIONAL. AND THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, WHICH IS LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS, IS ZONED EDUCATIONAL. SO IN ORDER FOR ALL THE PARCELS TO BE THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT, THEY OPTED TO GO WITH THE MEDICAL INSTITUTIONAL, WHICH PROVIDES FOR THE TYPE OF USE THAT THEY'RE USING AS A USE PERMIT. YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN. COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU. EXACTLY WHERE ON NORMAN BERRY THIS IS THIS IS RIGHT DOWN FROM THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE ON NORMAN BERRY. IT'S RIGHT. IT'S ON NORMAN BERRY. IT'S MAYBE A HALF A MILE FROM EAST CLEVELAND AVENUE. SO OKAY. IF YOU GO DOWN NORMAN, IT'S NOT NORMAN BERRY VILLAGE. IS IT DOWN FURTHER NEAR GATEWAY. NO. IT'S BEFORE YOU GET TO THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY ON NORMAN BERRY. SO YOU CROSSED OVER THE RED LIGHT. IT'S ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM. IT'S ACTUALLY BEFORE THAT. IT'S BEFORE THE LIGHT. IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE HOSPITAL ON EAST CLEVELAND AND YOU MAKE A LEFT, IT'S HALFWAY BETWEEN THE CITY OWNED. SO IT'S OKAY. 
          SO BUT IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. DAIRY QUEEN KEEPS A CROSS OVER THE. NO, YOU'RE IN THE WRONG AREA. CAN YOU SHOW GOING TOWARDS THE CITY ANNEX? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M 
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TALKING ABOUT. IF I GO IF I PASS DAIRY QUEEN COMING DOWN HERE. OH, YEAH. KEEP GOING. 
          YEAH. KEEP GOING. CROSS CROSS OVER THE RED LIGHT. IT'S RIGHT IN THERE. YEAH. SHE'S JUST COMING FROM NORMAN. IT'S THE SAME AREA. ONCE YOU CROSS OVER IT'S ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. 
          YEAH OKAY OKAY. SO I, I ASSUME THAT 31 AND 32 GO TOGETHER AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW SENIOR FACILITY RIGHT THERE. YES. OKAY. AND HOW MANY APARTMENTS OR 138. OKAY. AND HOW MANY OKAY OKAY. OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO I WAS REALLY JUST GOING TO DO LIKE A POINT OF INFORMATION ON WHERE, WHERE IT IS, IT'S IN BETWEEN NORMAN BERRY VILLAGE AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL LIKE PLAZA, TINY PLAZA. IT'S RIGHT IN BETWEEN. IT'S WHERE THERE'S JUST WOODS RIGHT NOW. THE TRAILER PARK IS ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. APPLICANTS ARE HERE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT. 
          REQUIREMENTS FOR PEOPLE TO RENT THESE UNITS. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU? FINE. 
          THANK YOU. GOOD. WHAT WILL BE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THESE UNITS? WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT THE EXACT TERMS OF REQUIREMENTS. WE DO HAVE SOME PRICING IN TERMS OF THE UNITS THAT WE'RE EXPECTED TO LEASE OUT, BUT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY RESTRICTIONS. IN THAT SENSE. WE'RE NOT UTILIZING ANY TAX CREDITS OR ANYTHING TO THAT EFFECT. SO IT'S OPEN JUST TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. BUT THERE'LL BE AN AGE RESTRICTION ON THIS, ON THESE SENIORS UNDER SENIOR UNITS THAT ARE THE ASSISTED ONES. YES. AND THEY WILL HAVE SOME INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS AS WELL. SO THOSE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, OPEN TO ANYONE THAT THAT'S THAT QUALIFIES PRETTY MUCH. FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. I'M CONFUSED BY THE APPLICATION. SO THERE IS. A 138 UNITS FOR ASSISTED LIVING AND SENIOR LIVING. SO IS THIS ASSISTED LIVING FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SENIORS? WELL, WELL, NO. WE HAVE TWO TWO BUILDINGS. SO ONE WILL BE ASSISTED LIVING AND ONE WILL BE INDEPENDENT SENIORS. INDEPENDENT SENIORS. YES. OKAY. AND AGE. YOU KNOW, I'M CLOSE TO BEING A SENIOR MYSELF. SO I MEAN, WE'RE PROBABLY ALL LIKE OVER 50 AARP MEMBERS, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S. YEAH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, 55 IS THE SWEET SPOT. OKAY. AND WHAT'S YOUR PLAN ON LIKE TIMELINE AS TO WHEN THIS ASSUMING IF THIS WERE APPROVED. YES. WELL, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          AFTER WE PURCHASED THE FIRST SIX PLUS ACRES, WE ALSO PURCHASED FROM THE CITY OF EAST POINT, THE WASHINGTON ROAD RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL. TO ADD TO THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD PROPER ACCESS IN AND OUT AS WE WERE CREATING A CAMPUS FACILITY, A CAMPUS FEELING, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO TO IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO GET INTO CONSTRUCTION EARLY NEXT YEAR. CONSTRUCTION AT ABOUT 12 TO 18 MONTHS. YES. TYPICALLY WE BUDGET ABOUT 18 MONTHS. SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU. WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT FOR THE UNITS? HUM. I THINK THE STUDIO UNITS ARE AROUND 14 $1,500 PER UNIT. WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THAT. 
          WE'VE HAD SOME MARKET STUDIES DONE, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WITH THE FIRM THAT HAS DONE THE MARKETING STUDY AND THEN ALSO OUR BANKS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ON TARGET. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CAN'T GET A SENIOR IN THERE? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK SENIORS ON FIXED INCOME. AND I JUST HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY TAX CREDIT. SO I'M I'M GOING TO ASSUME YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WORK WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A SENIOR FACILITY. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU CAN'T GET SENIORS IN THERE BECAUSE SENIORS ARE ON FIXED INCOME. SO IT 14 $1,500. THAT'S KIND OF STEEP. AND WHAT'S THE SIZE. AND THE BEDROOM AND WHAT DOES IT ENTAIL. WELL, WE WE 
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ACTUALLY HAVE HAD SOME INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THEIR WAIT LIST. FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE FOLKS WHO MIGHT HAVE VOUCHERS IN TERMS OF UNIT SIZES, THEY VARY. SO THE STUDIO UNITS ARE, YOU KNOW, THREE 389FT■!S, GIVE R TAKE, ALL THE WAY UP TO LIKE 400 PLUS SQUARE FEET. AND THEN THE LARGER UNITS GO UP TO ABOUT 800 PLUS SQUARE FEET FOR A TWO BEDROOM UNIT. SO YOU SOLD. SO THEN IT WILL BE SUBSIDIZED. NO, NOT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE TAKING VOUCHERS FOR SENIORS WHO ARE ON THE LIST, THEN YOU'RE UTILIZING. 
          WELL THOSE WILL BE PORTABLE VOUCHERS NOT NOT PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS. YEAH. THE THE FORD. 
          YEAH. TO SUBSIDIZE THE RENT BECAUSE SO IF YOU'RE TAKING VOUCHERS A SENIOR IS NOT GOING TO BE IN A SENIOR LET'S SAY HAS A VOUCHER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY $1,400. RIGHT. WE WOULDN'T WE CERTAINLY WOULD ACCEPT SUBSIDIZED RENTS. BUT THE THE PROJECT ITSELF WILL NOT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, TYPICALLY YOU'LL HAVE PROJECT BASED SECTION EIGHT OR SUBSIDY. THIS PROJECT WON'T HAVE THAT. SO IT'S JUST SOMEONE COMING JUST FOR SENIORS. SO HOW MANY UNITS WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR SENIORS WHO HAVE THOSE VOUCHERS, AND HOW MANY WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR? I GUESS. 
          PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THAT? WELL, WE WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD BE SET ASIDE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY SIMPLY WILL HAVE UNITS AVAILABLE ONCE THEY SORT OF GO THROUGH THE LIST. AND IF THE TIMING IS RIGHT, THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT ON THAT ASPECT EXACTLY HOW MANY UNITS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE THERE. BUT THE OTHER UNITS ARE PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ANY THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS ON ON WHO CAN RENT THE UNITS OR HOW MANY, HOW MANY THOSE UNITS WILL, WILL FALL INTO THOSE CATEGORIES. SO IT'S WIDE OPEN. SO IT'S IT'S NOT A LIMITATION. SO THE ONES THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE ONCE LET'S SAY THE SENIORS RENT THEM. AND THAT MEANS THAT ANYONE COULD RENT THEM ANY, ANY ANY SENIOR CAN RENT ANY CAN RENT ANY UNITS WITHIN IN ONE BUILDING. RIGHT. WHICH IS THE INDEPENDENT LIVING BUILDING. ASSISTED LIVING IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THAT'S A SMALLER POPULATION FOR ASSISTED LIVING. 
          WHAT'S THE OTHER SIDE. INDEPENDENT LIVING. SO THEY'LL BE THERE ARE TWO TWO BUILDINGS. 
          WHAT'S THE AGE LIMIT ON THE INDEPENDENT ISN'T THERE'S NO AGE LIMIT. SO THEN ANYONE COULD RENT THE INDEPENDENT. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE WE'RE TARGETING SENIORS IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. SO BASICALLY THIS IS MARKET RATE. HOUSING MARKET RATE HOUSING FOR SENIORS WHO MAY WANT TO DOWNSIZE. YES. OR WHAT PERCENTAGE. SO I'M TOLD THAT THERE WAS A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION AT PLANNING AND ZONING THAT THESE UNITS WERE OPEN FOR ANYONE OF ANY AGE. 
          WELL, YES, THE SENIOR UNITS WILL WILL BE DEDICATED FOR SENIORS. WE JUST HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT, YOU KNOW, THE ASSISTED LIVING UNITS ARE ALL FOR SENIORS. THE OTHER BUILDING IS ALSO TARGETING SENIORS. BUT IF THEY'RE UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND WE CAN'T FILL THEM, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD UTILIZE FOLKS BECAUSE WE TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERGENERATIONAL KIND OF ACTIVITIES. IF THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO RENT THE UNITS AND THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE AVAILABLE. WHAT HOW MANY UNITS IN THE ASSISTED LIVING BUILDING? THERE'S 69 UNITS EACH BUILDING. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. BOTH OF THESE ITEMS REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, SO THEY WILL BE ON OUR AGENDA FOR MONDAY THE 20TH, AND THEY WILL BE AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ITEM NUMBER 32. THANK YOU. AND REFERENCE TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, NUMBER 32 ON THIS AGENDA. IT IS A ALSO A REZONING KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER P2025 .001.02. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1784 WEST TAYLOR AVENUE, AND IT IS A REZONING FROM R-1A ZONING DISTRICT TO R-3 ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS OUR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.398 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES, AND IN REFERENCE TO THE REQUEST ITSELF, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH IT FROM SECTION TEN DASH 2065 TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK TO FOUR FEET. AND THEN THE SECOND VARIANCE IS 
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FROM SECTION TEN DASH 2065 E TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT TO 45FT, THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS R-1A. IF YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT BLUE SQUARE WITH THE BLACK DOT THAT IS THE PROPERTY DEPICTED, IT'S ON THE CORNER OF WEST TAYLOR AVENUE AND SIMS STREET. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS AGAIN OUR REDEVELOPMENT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SOME OF THE FUTURE PATTERNS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS TO PROVIDE FOR AN ASSORTMENT OF HOUSING TYPES TO INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING TYPES. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MAP AND THE AREA FOR REDEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO IN REFERENCE TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA FOR REDEVELOPMENT. THE USE AND SCALE IS LIMITED TO MULTIFAMILY AT CROSSROADS AND WHERE EXISTING AND OUR EXAMPLE AND IN THIS POSITION, THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT A CROSSROADS WHICH WOULD QUALIFY IT AS A PLACE THAT WOULD SUPPORT MULTIFAMILY. IN REFERENCE TO DENSITY, WHICH IS TALKED ABOUT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS STATED BEFORE, THE SITE IS 30 0.38 ACRES, WHICH IS A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF OF AN ACRE. OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD SUPPORT FOR TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE. IN THIS EXAMPLE, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, IT WOULD SUPPORT 1.52 TO 3.4 UNITS ON SITE. BECAUSE THIS AREA IS ALSO DESIGNATED UNDER OUR MARTA TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH THE CITY DID ADOPT IN 2012. IF YOU COULD SEE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT THERE'S A RED X TOWARD THE THE BOTTOM THIRD OF THE PAGE THAT IS THE SITE. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MARTA TOD RING, WHICH IS DEPICTED WITH THE ORANGE YELLOW DASHED CIRCLE RADIUS THAT YOU CAN SEE. AND WITHIN THIS DENSITY COULD GET UP TO 9.5 TO 28.5 UNITS PER ACRE. BASED ON THE SIZE, THIS APPLICATION IS ASKING FOR SIX DWELLING UNITS. STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FROM THE R-1 ZONING DISTRICT TO R-3. GOING TO READ THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED ON IT. CONDITION NUMBER ONE IS IN REFERENCE TO BUILDING DESIGN. FACADE SHALL INCORPORATE STEP DOWNS, MODULATION AND ARTICULATION, AND ARTICULATION TO REDUCE THE PERCEIVED MASS OF THREE STORY BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE LOWER SCALE RESIDENCES. CONDITION NUMBER TWO. REFERENCES. TRAFFIC AND ACCESS. 
          DRIVEWAY DESIGN AND INTERNAL CIRCULATION SHALL BE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY ENGINEER TO MINIMIZE TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON THE LOCAL STREETS. CONDITION NUMBER FOUR IS IN REFERENCE TO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR PLANS. THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM TO THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL OF FINAL ADJUSTMENTS. CONDITION NUMBER FOUR IS LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING. A MINIMAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER OF EVERGREEN PLANTING SHALL BE INSTALLED ALONG PROPERTY LINES ADJOINING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. PURSUANT TO OUR CHAPTER SIX LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONCURRENT VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK TO FOUR FEET. HOWEVER, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO 45FT AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER. YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. HAS THIS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION, AND WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF HE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY. I'M UNSURE ABOUT THAT, BUT IT IT DID GO BEFORE THE ZONING INFORMATION MEETING LAST MONTH. WELL, I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TWO MONTHS AGO. 
          OKAY. DO YOU RECOMMEND. IT WAS. I'VE BEEN TOLD MOST THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION MEETINGS SINCE JANUARY, AND AFTER NO ONE CAME OUT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING, 
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I WENT TO LAST WEEK'S TUESDAY. I WENT TO THE FIRE STATION AND I PRESENTED IT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I ENCOURAGED THEM TO COME OUT RATHER IN SUPPORT OF THE DENIAL OF IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, SENATOR PARK. WELL, WAS THERE ANY FEEDBACK ON FROM THE NEIGHBORS ON WHAT THEY SAW IF THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OR THEY ALL SUPPORTED IT? OKAY. THERE WAS ABOUT FIVE PEOPLE. THAT MEETING WAS A LITTLE LESS ATTENDED. SOME OTHER ONES I WENT TO, BUT THERE WAS ABOUT FIVE PEOPLE AND THEY ALL SUPPORTED IT, WHICH INCLUDED THE HOA PRESIDENT AND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. DURING THE PLANNING AND DURING THE POSTCARD PROCESS. WHEN WE SENT THEM OUT, WE HAD ABOUT THREE PEOPLE CALL BACK AND THEY WERE ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THEY DIDN'T LIVE IN THE AREA, BUT THEY OWNED ALL THE PROPERTY AND THEY ALL SUPPORTED AS WELL. 
          WE'VE BEEN MONITORING THE FACEBOOK GROUP JUST TO SEE IF WE'VE SEEN ANY NOISE OR CHATTER AROUND IT, BUT NOTHING TODAY. OKAY, WAS THE HEIGHT DISCUSSED? BECAUSE THAT'S THE PART THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DENY FOR. WAS THE COMMUNITY IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE 45FT? QUITE FRANKLY, WE'LL JUST STICK WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT. IT WASN'T A SUPER HUGE MOOT POINT FOR US ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE. SO WE RESPECT STAFF AND UNDERSTANDING WITH IT. 
          IT WAS A NICE TO HAVE, BUT NOT A NECESSARY. SO WE DIDN'T PURSUE THAT ANY FURTHER. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER FREELAND, YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ISSUE WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR YOUR PLANS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, NO, IT'S A NICE BUT NOT NECESSARY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS. CURB CUTS. I DID SEE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT MAYBE THAT WAS INGRESS EGRESS OR TRAFFIC FLOW. SO ARE THE CURB CUTS GOING TO BE FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTIES, OR WOULD THEY BE IN THE FRONT THE FRONT IN THE FRONT OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CUMMINGS. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THIS LAST SLIDE IS THAT A AN IMAGE. IS THAT A RENDERING OR JUST THAT'S A RENDERING OF WHAT WE THINK IT MAY LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WE KIND OF WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE. BUT WE ARE VERY MUCH AWARE THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE US TO USE LIKE FOR CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF LIKE THE MATERIALS WE USE, WE HAVE TO USE WHAT'S IN SO MANY HOUSES IN FRONT OF US, BEHIND US, ON THE SIDE OF US AS WELL. AND WE'D HAVE TO ABIDE BY THOSE. SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW, BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT IS SUBJECT. SO THAT IS NOT FINAL. OKAY. SO JUST ONE MORE QUESTION, CANADA, WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE 45FT. SO THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE THE DRIVE UNDER GARAGES. 
          YEAH THE GARAGE IS GOING TO STAY AT IS RIGHT NOW. YES MA'AM. OKAY. SO NOT GOING TO 45FT WHICH WOULD YOU SEE THERE ON THAT RENDERING. IS THAT 40FT OKAY. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU I YIELD OKAY. WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH UNIT IS APPROXIMATELY 2583 RIGHT NOW. AND YOU WANT TO PUT SIX OF THOSE ON .39 ACRES? YES, MA'AM. 
          THESE ARE TOWNHOMES, CORRECT? DUPLEXES. SO EACH STRUCTURE, EACH PLOT HAS TWO UNITS ON IT. 
          OKAY. SO IT'LL BE THREE SEPARATE. YES, MA'AM. I'M THINKING SIX BUILDINGS. SO NO NO NO NO NO NO IT'S THREE BUILDINGS WITH TWO BUILDINGS GOING TO BE TIGHT. YEAH IT'S SIX UNITS. YES, MA'AM. EACH BUILDING HAS TWO UNITS IN IT. SO IT'S THREE BUILDINGS. EACH BUILDING HAS TWO UNITS ONE CAR GARAGE, ONE CAR GARAGE ON EACH UNIT. OKAY OKAY OKAY OKAY. YEAH. 
          NO, THAT WON'T FIT. OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANYONE WHO HAS A LIGHT ON, SO THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IT'LL BE ON OUR AGENDA FOR MONDAY, OCTOBER 20TH. IT'LL BE AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. ANY DECISION THAT'LL BE MADE BY COUNCIL WILL BE MADE AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS, WAS THERE A PRICE POINT FOR YOUR UNITS? AND JUST SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT, BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY MUCH AWARE IN TERMS OF NEW BUILDS IN SANTA PARK. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY NEW BUILDS IN 2025. I THINK THE ONLY NEW BUILDS I'VE SEEN IN 20 IN SANTA PARK HAVE BEEN IN 2024, AND THOSE AVERAGE BETWEEN 430 AND 450. SO WE'RE VERY MUCH TRYING TO STAY WITHIN A REASONABLE PRICE RANGE BECAUSE WE KNOW, GIVEN THE CURRENT INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT, THAT AFTER A CERTAIN PRICE POINT, YOU DON'T WANT TO PRICE PEOPLE IN. AND OUR WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO BRING PEOPLE THERE. AND ONE OF THE SIX UNITS IS THE ONE I'M GOING TO RESIDE IN. SO I NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S AT THE RIGHT PRICE POINT. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. 
          DANG, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION I JUST FORGOT. YEAH, I FORGOT IT. MAYBE I REMEMBER MY QUESTION 
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ABOUT MONDAY. NEXT UP, DO WE HAVE ANY NON STAFF MEMBERS FOR ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS. ARE YOU 
          [III.4. City of East Point Compensation Policy]
TWO TOGETHER OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I THINK WE ARE NOW BACK TO. CITY OF EAST POINT COMPENSATION POLICY MR. JONES. MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, JESSIE, IRIS, JESSIE COME UP. WALK US THROUGH THIS. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. CAN TAKING THE MIC. MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I PRESENTED THIS INFORMATION TO MOST OF YOU LAST YEAR. IN NOVEMBER. YOU HAVE HAD THIS DOCUMENT, I THINK A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND WHAT I WANTED TO DO TONIGHT IS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT YOUR COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, PRIMARILY WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE PAY AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY. AND A COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY IS GENERALLY A POLICY THAT ALLOWS US TO BE CONSISTENT IN OUR EFFORTS TO ATTRACT, RETAIN AND MOTIVATE EMPLOYEES. I HAVE ABOUT SIX SLIDES THAT I'LL GO THROUGH VERY QUICKLY, BUT GENERALLY WHAT I WOULD BE ASKING FOR IS. OKAY, WHAT I WOULD BE ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS SOME DIRECTION IN HOW OFTEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FULL FLEDGED COMPENSATION STUDY DONE. IT'S BEEN ABOUT MAYBE 20 YEARS SINCE WE HAD A STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY THE ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION, AND YOU PROBABLY THINKING, WELL, WHAT HAVE WE DONE THROUGHOUT THAT TIME PERIOD? MANY OF THOSE YEARS? THE COUNCIL WAS IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S FINANCES. ONLY RECENTLY, I'D SAY MAYBE WITHIN THE LAST 5 TO 6 YEARS, THE CITY HAS BEEN IN BETTER FINANCIAL STANDING. AND WE STARTED WITH INCREMENTAL APPROACHES TO PROVIDE COLAS OR COST OF LIVING INCREASES. ALL OF YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT C WORD, WHICH IS COMPRESSION. AND WHEN YOU DO COLAS, WHICH IS ACROSS THE BOARD, EVERYBODY GETS THAT. IT PENALIZES PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN WORKING HERE FOR AN EXTENDED NUMBER OF YEARS. SO GENERALLY I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, BUT IT'S A COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY IS THE WHY BEHIND OUR EMPLOYEE PAY. 
          AND IT ALSO HELPS US TO CREATE A FRAMEWORK FOR, AGAIN, CONSISTENCY. AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE KEY COMPONENTS THAT ORGANIZATIONS KEEP IN MIND WHEN WE'RE COMING UP WITH A PHILOSOPHY. I TOOK THIS INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY OF EAST POINT STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, AND YOU ALL AGAIN, HAVE EXPRESSED THIS MANY TIMES THAT YOUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE EXCEPTIONAL CITY SERVICES THAT ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT, I LISTED THE VALUES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH ARE TRANSPARENCY, ENGAGEMENT, ACHIEVEMENT, AND ALSO FORWARD MOVEMENT. AND THIS IS A GOAL TO PROVIDE COMPETITIVE, SUSTAINABLE AND RESPONSIBLE COMPENSATION IN. WHEN WE GOT READY TO DO THE PAY STUDY IN 2023 THAT WE IMPLEMENTED PHASE 
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ONE OF IN JULY 1ST, 2024, YOU EXPRESSED THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE LOWEST, WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE HIGHEST, BUT WE WANTED TO BE SOMEPLACE IN THE MIDDLE SO THAT WE COULD BE COMPETITIVE, AND ALSO THAT WE COULD SUSTAIN THE SALARIES THAT WE WERE COMING UP WITH AND THAT IT WOULD BE ENOUGH SO THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A LIVABLE WAGE. THE COMPENSATION PROGRAM HOPEFULLY WILL RETAIN AND ATTRACT HIGHLY SKILLED, HIGH PERFORMING STAFF. 
          AND WE DO THAT THROUGH PAY AND BENEFITS. YOU RECENTLY MADE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT HEALTH CARE AND HOW YOU WANTED TO HANDLE THAT. CONSIDERING THE COST THAT ARE CONTINUING TO INCREASE AND HOW YOU WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH EMPLOYEES. COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION. WE'RE ALSO MINDFUL OF WHAT OUR SISTER CITIES OR THE REGION IS PAYING FOR CERTAIN JOBS. THAT WAS A BIG COMPONENT OF THE PHASE TWO AND PHASE ONE OF THE CLASS AND COMP STUDY, AND THEN ALSO TRANSPARENCY. WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW TO EMPLOYEES AND OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE BASING OUR SALARIES ON THE COMPETITIVE NATURE OF THE AREA, ANY CHANGES THAT WE SEE THAT MAY AFFECT OUR CITY FINANCES, AND CONSIDER ALL OF THAT AS WE GO THROUGH OUR ANNUAL BUDGETING PROCESS. SO I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF DEVELOPING A GOAL, WHICH WOULD BE TO EVALUATE COMPENSATION STRUCTURE, PROGRAMS AND POLICIES EVERY FIVE YEARS TO ASSESS MARKET COMPETITIVENESS, EFFECTIVENESS, AND COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT IF WE HAVE, GOD FORBID, ANOTHER PANDEMIC AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO STOP WORKING OR WHO CAN'T WORK, AND THEN WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF SKILLED LABORERS. ONCE THE MARKET AND JOBS OPEN BACK, THAT WE COULDN'T MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS ALONG THE WAY. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GO MORE THAN FIVE YEARS WITH ASSESSING OUR MARKET COMPETITIVENESS, BECAUSE IF WE DO, WE'LL GET RIGHT BACK INTO THE SITUATION THAT WE FOUND OURSELVES. WE WHEN WE EMBARKED ON PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF OUR RECENT PAY STUDY. THAT'S IT. I'D LIKE TO GET ANY INPUT YOU HAVE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO ME TONIGHT. WE'RE NOT UNDER A HARD DEADLINE TO DO IT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN WRITING AND PUT IT SOMEPLACE, WE MAY FORGET IT LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD. SO IT IS GOOD TO GET SOME CONSENSUS ON HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE PAY INTO THE FUTURE. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO A COMPENSATION STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS? YES, MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS OR OBJECTIONS? AND THEN IF NOT, ANY OBJECTION TO THIS. SO THE COMPENSATION FOR PHILOSOPHY BE THIS GOAL MA'AM, IS WOULD THE COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY THAT. YES, MA'AM. 
          YES, MA'AM. APPROVE. IS THIS JUST THIS GOAL? YES, MA'AM. COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL THANK YOU, MISS JESSIE. WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED COST ON THE STUDY? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO PHASES, AND WE ENDED UP SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF ABOUT $3 MILLION FOR BOTH PHASES. OKAY. FOR THE STUDY. OH, I'M SORRY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION. I'M SORRY YOU PIVOTED FROM THAT REAL QUICK. I'M SORRY. YEAH, I'M SORRY I WENT RIGHT TO THE SALARIES. I'M SORRY. YES, IT WAS $38,000. OKAY. THAT'S NOT BAD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. WE WON'T EVER DO ANOTHER ONE. I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUT ABOUT 30 YEARS. COUNCILMEMBER. 
          FREELY. YEAH. I WAS TOUCHING ON A QUESTION THAT COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL JUST ASKED. HOW LONG, 
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HOW LONG DID IT? I KNOW IT WAS IN TWO PHASES BEFORE, BUT SORT OF IN TOTAL, HOW MUCH TIME DID IT? IT TOOK ABOUT A YEAR, RIGHT? EACH TIME. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT IS VERY INVOLVED. WE WERE SO FAR BEHIND. WE HAD TO GET EMPLOYEES THEMSELVES TO WRITE DOWN THEIR JOB DUTIES. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO SAY, WE KNOW WHAT YOUR JOB IS AND KNOW WHAT YOU DO. ONCE THEY DID THAT, THE SUPERVISORS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT, NOT TO CHANGE ANYTHING NECESSARILY, BUT TO SAY THAT YOU DO SOME OTHER DUTIES OR THESE DUTIES ARE NOT A PART OF YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION, ETC. SO EVERGREEN TOOK THAT INFORMATION BACK. ALSO, THEY DID THE MARKET ANALYSIS. THEY SENT SURVEYS OUT TO ABOUT. I THINK IT YOU ALL ADDED SOME CITIES. I THINK WE ENDED UP MAYBE WITH ABOUT 25 CITIES AND THEY GOT THAT INFORMATION BACK, ANALYZED. IT, TOOK OUR CURRENT PAYROLLS AND THEN PLACED PEOPLE ACCORDINGLY ON THE PROJECT DESIGN THAT YOU APPROVED. RIGHT. 
          IS IT YOUR ANTICIPATION THAT A LOT OF THAT LEAD WORK WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE REPEATED? ABSOLUTELY. 
          A SHORTER PERIOD, DURATION OF TIME? YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HADN'T DONE ANYTHING IN SO LONG. WE'RE GETTING CURRENT JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND THOSE WILL BE EASIER TO MAINTAIN. AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD BE AS INVOLVED THE NEXT TIME. OKAY. 
          AND THEN THIS LAST QUESTION, IS THERE ANY SORT OF INDUSTRY STANDARD OR GM RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW FREQUENT THESE THIS IS ACTUALLY THE INDUSTRY STANDARD ABOUT FIVE YEARS. IF YOU DO IT WELL, THEY SAY 3 TO 5 YEARS. I WENT WITH FIVE YEARS BECAUSE WE DID SUCH A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY THIS TIME THAT I FELT WE COULD GO UNLESS THERE'S SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT FIVE YEARS WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD TIME. TWO YEARS? I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO'S DOING TWO YEARS. 3 TO 5 YEARS IS PROBABLY USED BY MOST ORGANIZATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK TO THAT POINT, MISS JESSIE, SHOULD WE INDICATE ANYWHERE IN THIS GOAL UNLESS THERE ARE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE EVENT LIKE. BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMITMENT TO FIVE YEARS, RIGHT. BUT IS THERE ANY WAY TO. AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE GO TO LEGAL AROUND JUST HOW TO BASICALLY. THEY SAY AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING, I THINK WE INFER IT. IT WON'T HURT TO DO THAT. WE INFER WHEN WE SAY EVERY FIVE YEARS TO ASSESS MARKET COMPETITIVENESS. I GUESS WE COULD SAY THERE, UNLESS OTHERWISE WARRANTED OR SOONER IF WARRANTED, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. I THINK IF WE SAY IN POLICIES AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS, THEN THAT MEANS WE COULD GO LESS, RIGHT? OR FIVE WOULD BE. VERBOSE. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, GIVE WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT MIGHT COME UP THAT REQUIRE US TO DO IT SOONER. YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO LOCK YOURSELF IN TO HAVING TO DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING WHAT THE ECONOMIC STATUS OF THE CITY IS IN FIVE YEARS, YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE IT A LITTLE MORE LOOSE, TO GIVE SOME DISCRETION, MAYBE TO THE COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER, TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHEN THE NEXT STUDY SHOULD BE DONE. SAY FIVE YEARS OR. OTHER. THIS OTHER, I DON'T KNOW, OTHER TIME FRAME DECIDED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET IN THAT. LIKE THE COMMITMENT WHICH IS NEEDED. RIGHT. BUT FLEXIBILITY 
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TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THINGS HAPPEN, WE CAN GET IT BEFORE OR IF IN FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, MONEY'S REALLY TIGHT AND YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THERE IS CONSENT. I'M SEEING HEARING OBJECTION TO THIS. I JUST THINK MAYBE IF YOU ALL CAN WORK ON MAKING IT A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE, LIKE INDICATING FIVE YEARS, SHOWING A LEVEL OF COMMITMENT, BUT ALSO A LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY. SO DO YOU ALL WANT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT REASON, SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE LANGUAGE OR PUT IT ON CONSENT? AND IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE CAN PULL IT OFF. CONSENT. OKAY. WE WILL PUT IT ON CONSENT. BUT IF YOU ALL CAN JUST WORK THROUGH THAT, JUST SO WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT I THINK YOU ARTICULATED THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND YOU ALL HAVE DONE A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB OF LEADING THIS AREA WITH WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED THE LIVABLE WAGE, $15 AN HOUR. WE WERE VERY MUCH BELOW THE MARKET, AND EAST POINT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO GO WITH THE $15 AN HOUR. AND YOU'VE CONTINUED TO INCREASE THAT. SO YOU'VE TAKEN SOME VERY BIG STEPS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND THE EMPLOYEES APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS JUST ONE WAY THAT WE SHOW HOW MUCH WE VALUE WHAT OUR EMPLOYEES DO, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOW THAT WE VALUE IT. I THINK WE STARTED THIS IN FISCAL YEAR. IT WAS JULY 1ST 19. I THINK IT WAS WHEN WE FIRST WENT TO 15. AND SO IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING, AS YOU SAID, BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN DONE IN A WHILE, BUT ALSO COMPRESSION AND, YOU KNOW, PHASING. BUT WE'RE NOT A GOOD POINT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. POLICING. I SEE OUR CHIEF HERE, CHIEF BUCHANAN. 
          [III.5. Update on Policing]
GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY. HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING TONIGHT? GOOD. 
          GREAT, GREAT. JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. OUR BIGGEST THING IS TRYING TO GET OUR CRIME CENTER AND DRONE AS A FIRST RESPONDER UP BY BLACK FRIDAY. THAT IS A VERY HUGE TASK. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE UP BY BLACK FRIDAY. JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A COUPLE STATS. WALMART AND DUNWOODY SHUT DOWN. THE KROGER IN BUCKHEAD IS SHUTTING DOWN. 
          CITY OF ATLANTA, TRIED TO OFFER A HALF $1 MILLION TO STAY OPEN. THEY WAS LOSING A HALF $1 MILLION, $5 MILLION A YEAR, SO THEY REFUSED TO. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN IN THE CITY. SO IT'S VERY IMPERATIVE THAT WE'RE VIGILANT IN TERMS OF HOW WE FIGHT CRIME. THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER IS REVOLUTIONARY AS WELL AS OUR DRONES AND FIRST RESPONDER. SO I WANT THESE PROGRAMS UP BY BLACK FRIDAY JUST BECAUSE THE MARKETPLACE WHEN OUR MAIN SHOPPING AREAS. 
          SO MY MAIN PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS MAKING SURE OUR REAL TIME CRIME CENTER IS FULLY OPERATIONAL BY THEN. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST UPDATE. ALSO MET WITH THE AIRPORT CID. THEY WANT TO HELP US CLEAN THE MARKETPLACE UP. SO I'LL BE DOING SOME EMAILING ABOUT THAT. AND WE'VE ALSO MET WITH ATLANTA AND SOME SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS ABOUT THE SOCCER EVENT THAT'S HAPPENING NEXT YEAR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CHIEF. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. ZIEGLER. YES. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW IN JEFFERSON PARK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CAR BREAK INS, CAR THEFTS. THERE WAS A CAR THAT WAS BROKEN INTO WHEN A PARTY WAS HAPPENING JUST ACROSS THE STREET OF, LIKE, 50 PEOPLE. AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME A HOUSE THAT GOT BROKEN INTO AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING TO HELP THE JEFFERSON PARK COMMUNITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO YES, Y'ALL HAD A HOUSE BROKEN INTO LAST WEEK. NOT A HOUSE BROKEN INTO. IT WAS THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE TRYING TO BREAK INTO A HOUSE. THEY DID NOT IN TERMS OF BREAKING. IT WAS AT A PARTY I MET WITH, TALKED TO THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE. WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF JUVENILES OUT. WE HAVE SPECIAL DETAILS. WE HAVE OPERATIONS IN PLACE FOR THE HOTELS AND OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND WE KNOW IT'S A GROUP OF JUVENILES THAT'S NOT ONLY HITTING US, THEY HIT MARIETTA. THEY'VE HIT THEY'VE HIT SMYRNA, THEY'VE HIT ATLANTA, THEY'VE HIT UNION CITY. 
          AND SO WE'RE VIGILANT TRYING TO CATCH THESE INDIVIDUALS, OKAY. AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD ALSO 
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BE HELPFUL TO SEE THE TRENDS FROM THE YEARS LIKE SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE NEXT TIME OR THE OR NEXT MONTH AFTER THAT. IF, YOU KNOW, YOU COME AND TELL US ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TRENDS THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN OUR IN OUR CITY AND HOW THAT HAS TRENDED OVER THE YEARS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE THE DATA BEHIND IT SO THAT WE CAN TELL THAT TO, TO TO EVERYBODY ELSE, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. AND ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE, IF PEOPLE LOOK THEY CAN SEE OUR CRIME STATS. WE ARE CONSIDERABLY DOWN IN CAR BREAK INS THIS YEAR. BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE'RE DOWN, IF YOU'RE A VICTIM OF A CAR BREAK IN, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT THAT POINT. 
          SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IS STAY DOWN AND CATCHING THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE COMMITTING ALL THESE CAR BREAK INS. OKAY. AND AND IN REGARDS TO REAL TIME CRIME CENTER, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT LIKE, WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WILL WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER IS ACTUALLY UP AND OPERATIONAL RIGHT NOW. THERE'S ONE PIECE OF THE CRIME CENTER THAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IS A SOFTWARE THAT JUST INTEGRATES EVERYTHING IN A BETTER VIEW. SO WE ARE UP AND OPERATING RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST THAT WE WANT WHEN PEOPLE COME SEE IT AND THEY CAN VIEW IT BETTER, WE CAN PUT THINGS ON DIFFERENT SCREENS AND MAKE IT INTEGRATE BETTER. THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE WAITING FOR. AND ALSO THE DRONES. AS A FIRST RESPONDER, WE OPERATE ALL OUR REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. SO OUR GOAL WAS TO MAKE SURE BY BLACK FRIDAY WE ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO IMPACT CRIME TREMENDOUSLY. WE MEET WITH THE CITY OF ATLANTA BECAUSE THAT'S OUR NEAREST PARTNER AND ALSO COLLEGE PARK. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY UPWARD CRIME TRENDS DURING THANKSGIVING HOLIDAYS. CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS. WE'RE ABOUT TO START SHOOTING SOME VIDEOS BECAUSE WE NOTICED THAT ALREADY PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SCAM PEOPLE IN GROCERY STORES. 
          THEY'RE APPROACHING PEOPLE ASKING FOR MONEY, THINGS OF THIS NATURE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VIGILANT AND LET OUR SENIORS KNOW, DON'T GIVE PEOPLE MONEY AND GO STORE THE CARS. 
          NOT BROKEN DOWN THINGS OF THIS NATURE. SO WE WANT TO DO A LOT MORE EDUCATION IN TERMS OF WHAT TO LOOK FOR. OKAY. AND LAST QUESTION. SO THE CITY OF ATLANTA, WHEN THERE'S CRIME THAT HAPPENS IN THEIR CITY, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO LIKE ON A MAP AND KIND OF LIKE SEE WHERE IT WAS AND ALSO SEE SOME VERY GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT HAPPENED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC HERE IN EASTPOINTE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD GO ON TO A MAP AND THEY COULD SEE THE CRIME THAT'S HAPPENED AROUND THEM. AND JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE TIDBIT OF WHAT HAPPENED. NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST. WE'VE NEVER DONE IT. AND BE HONEST WITH YOU, EVEN WITH ATLANTA, THEY DON'T DO ALL THEIR CRIME. THEY PEOPLE THINK THEY DO ALL THEIR CRIME. BUT IT'S JUST IT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          THEY DO SOME THINGS AND SHOW CERTAIN CRIMES. SO WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT. AND IT'S NOT I'M NOT SAYING BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER DONE IT. WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT PEOPLE DOING IS BEING PARANOID OR LOOKING AT THINGS ALL THE TIME GOING, OKAY, SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE, SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE. I'M NOT SAFE. I DON'T WANT THAT FEELING. I DON'T, AND I KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT, A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF A LITTLE PARANOID TO MOVE AROUND. WE DON'T WANT THAT HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER. YES, THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR THAT UPDATE A FEW QUESTIONS. THE CAR BREAK IN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER WAS REFERENCING. AND I THINK THAT YOU SAID THERE WERE SOME JUVENILES. AND YES, I KNOW THAT THE OWNER HAD REACHED OUT TO ME ALSO AND SHARED THAT INFORMATION. I THINK AFTER YOUR CONVERSATION, DO WE THINK THAT THOSE JUVENILES ARE LOCAL, OR ARE THEY COMING IN FROM SOME OTHER PLACE TO THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE TO CREATE THESE TO TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES? SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS JUST FROM AN INVESTIGATIVE STANDPOINT, THEY'RE HITTING MULTIPLE CITIES. SO WE'RE TRYING TO TRACK EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT OUT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO'S LISTENING THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT THEY HAVE HIT MULTIPLE CITIES AND WE'RE VIGILANTLY TRYING TO CATCH THEM. OKAY. AND DO YOU KNOW IF WE'RE HAVING ANY ISSUES WITH TRUANTS? BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I WORK AT HOME, I'M THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LOT. THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES WHERE TRUANTS WILL HANG OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THIS IS TIED TO TRUANCY. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE SMALL ISSUE WITH TRUANCY. WE'VE WORKED OUT DEALS WITH THE SCHOOLS. SO THEY NOW THEY TAKE THE CHILDREN BACK IN IF WE BRING THEM. SO TRI CITY DOES ANYWAY. SO THAT'S REALLY HELPED US OUT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S TIED TO THOSE TYPE OF INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THEY'RE HITTING ALL TIMES DAY AND NIGHT. THERE'S NOT REALLY A DAYTIME. IF YOU NOTICE CRIME TRENDS, IT'S 2 OR 3:00 IN THE MORNING, 5:00 IN THE MORNING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO YOUR FRIEND WAS ACTUALLY ANOMALY TO HAVE A CAR BROKE IN THAT EARLY. AND BECAUSE WE'RE OUT HERE LATE AT 
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NIGHT TRYING TO CATCH HIM. YEAH. I MEAN, WE WERE WE WERE VERY SURPRISED BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY DURING THE PARTY, THE DINNER PARTY. AND IT HAPPENED. BUT THEN JUST THE WEEK BEFORE AND I THINK THAT CAR WAS A KIA, WHICH I THINK THAT THE STEERING COLUMN GOT DAMAGED BECAUSE THOSE ARE TARGETED. AND THE WEEK BEFORE THERE WAS A KIA THAT WAS ACTUALLY STOLEN. 
          CORRECT. SO WE HAD THERE WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WE CALLED. THEY WAS JUST BECAUSE OF HOW KIA MADE IT SO EASY TO BREAK INTO A VEHICLE AND STEAL IT, AND THAT HAD SHUT DOWN ABOUT FOR A YEAR. 
          AND NOW WE'RE SEEING AN UPTICK IN PEOPLE DOING THE KIA AGAIN. OKAY. SO DO YOU THINK THAT THERE COULD BE VALUE IN SORT OF A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT VIDEO ABOUT THOSE THINGS? I DON'T KNOW. KIA WAS RUNNING SOME PROGRAM ABOUT BEING ABLE TO PREVENT, AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, THE THEFT OF SOME OF THEIR CARS, AND THEY WERE OFFERING SOME INCENTIVES AROUND THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL GOING ON. SO I WILL CHECK, BECAUSE KIA DID GIVE US A LOT OF THOSE STEERING COLUMN LOCKS FOR THE CARS. SO I'LL SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE, AND IF WE HAVE ENOUGH, I'LL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE WE GIVE SOME MORE OUT BECAUSE WE DID THAT BEFORE. 
          OKAY. YEAH, I THINK KIA WAS OFFERING SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I REMEMBER AND YES, THEY GAVE US SOME AS WELL TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO I WOULD DOUBLE CHECK AND SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE LEFT. AND THEN THE LAST THING WE HAD A CONVERSATION, YOU AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE THE TRESPASSING ISSUE AND THE. THE DAMAGE TO SOME OF THE PROPERTIES IN RIVER PARK. WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING THROUGH THAT CUT THROUGH. YES, I DID SPEAK WITH EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SPANN. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE READY TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE CAMERAS, AND THE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO POST NO TRESPASSING SIGNS. CORRECT. YOU WILL SEE THE. NEXT AGENDA MEETING. THAT'S THE NEXT THING WE'RE BRINGING FORTH WITH THOSE CAMERAS APPROVAL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND JUST THANKS FOR YOUR REPORT, CHIEF. REAL QUICK QUESTION. LAST YEAR YOU INTRODUCED ME TO ONE OF YOUR OFFICERS WHO WAS SORT OF RUNNING THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. I THINK SHE WAS A STATISTICIAN OR SHANNON POPE, CRIME ANALYST. YES. RIGHT. I JUST WANT SHE'S STILL WITH YOU? OH, YES, SHE IS. CRIME CENTER. 
          OKAY. YES. AND I WILL TELL YOU, I DON'T WANT TO BRAG ON HER, BUT SHE'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO SAY IT. I'M TELLING YOU, SHE IS FBI. DEA, EVERYBODY CALLS HER. YOU SAID THAT LAST YEAR, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HADN'T LOST HER. NO. SHE'S HERE. CHIEF, YOU ALSO HAVE ITEM 15. AXON FOR BODY CAMERAS AND CAR CAMERAS, INTERVIEW ROOMS AND FIRST RESPONDER DRONES. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THAT ONE. YES. I'M GOING TO ALSO REQUIRE ASSISTANCE OF MR. LAWRENCE HERE. BUT I JUST WANT TO REHASH EVERYTHING. SO THIS IS OUR AXON BODY CAMERA CONTRACT. IT'S MORE THAN BODY CAMERAS THOUGH. IT'S THE BODY CAMERAS ARE IN-CAR CAMERAS. OUR TASERS FUZES SYSTEM AS WELL. 
          AND ALSO OUR DRONES AS A FIRST RESPONDER. SO IT'S A BUNDLE OF ITEMS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE WE HAVE TO HAVE BODY CAMERAS. WE HAVE TO HAVE TASERS. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TOGETHER. NOW, I KNOW COUNCILMAN ATKINS ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT OUR DRONES, SO I KIND OF WANT TO REHASH WHAT WE STATED. DRONES? WE'VE ALREADY HAD DRONES WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE NOW IS CALLED DRONES AS A FIRST RESPONDER, WHICH MEANS WE CAN ACTUALLY SEND THEM TO CALLS. WHEN A CALL COMES IN. THEY RESPOND TO 80% OF CALLS IN 90S OR LESS WITHIN THE CITY. SO THAT'S THE NEWEST TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPANIES NOW THAT HAVE COME OUT WITH DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDER. ONE COMPANY IS FLOCK, WHICH IS KNOWN FOR OUR LPR READERS, WHICH ARE LICENSE PLATE READERS. WE VETTED THEM, THEY CAME OUT, THEY ACTUALLY SET UP A DEMONSTRATION UPSTAIRS IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM, AND WE DISPATCHED CALLS FROM THEM LIVE THE VERY COMPETITIVE COMPANY. 
          THEY'RE ONE OF THE BIG COMPANIES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND WE ALMOST CHOSE THEM. THE OTHER COMPANY WAS PELOTON. PELOTON SET UP A DEMONSTRATION, BUT THEY DID AN ONLINE DEMONSTRATION. WE VETTED THEM AS WELL. WE ALMOST THEY GAVE US A GOOD PRICE, BUT BOTH FLOCK AND PELOTON, THE ISSUE IS THEY UTILIZE DJI DRONES. DJI DRONES ARE VERY GOOD DRONES. I HAVE ONE MYSELF AT HOME, BUT THE ISSUE IS IN GOVERNMENT. THE PRESIDENT HAS PUT A BAN ON ANY FEDERAL AGENCY USING DJI DRONES BECAUSE DJI DRONES, THEY DRONE FROM CHINA RECENTLY HERE. WHICH IS GEORGIA ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, HAVE SENT SURVEYS OUT ASKING WHAT TYPE OF DRONES ARE Y'ALL USING, AMERICAN OR NON-AMERICAN DRONES? BECAUSE I THINK SOMETHING'S ABOUT TO COME DOWN THE PIPE IN TERMS OF WHAT DRONES WE CAN USE. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST 
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SENT ME A LETTER, I THINK, THREE WEEKS AGO, STATING THAT IF YOU'RE USING ANY NON AMERICAN DRONES, YOU CANNOT USE ASSET FORFEITURE MONEY. ASSET FORFEITURE MONEY IS OUR DRUG MONEY. SO IT'S COMING DOWN HARD ON CHINA. SO THE BIGGEST DEAL IS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BEST PRODUCT THE BEST PRICE. AND WHO'S GOING TO GIVE US THE BEST DEAL. WE CHOSE SKYDIO THROUGH AXON BECAUSE SCOTTY AND AXON ARE PARTNERS. AND THEY WAS ABLE TO GIVE US A TREMENDOUS SAVINGS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRACT IN DETAIL, WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE DRONES, CONSIDER WHAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING. AND ALSO WE'RE SAVING $107,000 A YEAR. SO IT WAS JUST A BETTER, MORE BENEFICIAL AMERICAN MADE PRODUCT THAT WE WENT WITH. YOU HAVE THE CONTRACTS AND PROCUREMENT STAFF WITH YOU. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO ADD? NO, MA'AM. THERE WAS A QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT SOLICITATION AND WHETHER THIS WAS STATE CONTRACT OR LIKE, HOW SO WHAT'S THE OUTCOME ON THAT? SO THE INITIAL THING WAS THAT THE STATE CONTRACT. BUT AFTER TALKING TO THE VENDOR THEMSELVES, THEY'RE UNDER SOURCEWELL CONTRACT, WHICH INCLUDES THE ACTUAL DRONE ITSELF. SO I ENDED UP WAS WELL, SOURCEWELL IS A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT THAT WE UTILIZE. SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN SOLICITATIONS. 
          AND WE ARE WE'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE. SO THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR COUNCILMAN ATKINS. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS UP HERE TO ADDRESS IT. THE ITEM STILL SAYS FROM STATE CONTRACT. IS SOURCEWELL A PART OF THE STATE CONTRACT? NO, IT SHOULD HAVE SAID SOURCEWELL. SO FROM SOURCEWELL. SO WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE WE CAN UPDATE THIS OBJECTION TO THIS GOING TO CONSENT. IF YOU COULD JUST UPDATE AND MAKE SURE IT REFLECTS THE RIGHT COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT, AGREEMENT, SOLICITATION. YES, MA'AM. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU BOTH. CHIEF. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER ITEM YOU HAVE. RIGHT. OKAY. NEXT UP I'M GOING TO GO TO STAFF ITEMS. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 12. AND 13 ARE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS, MR. JONES. YES. 
          SO FOR PUBLIC WORKS PRESENTATIONS WE'LL HAVE OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM. 
          [III.12. Council Review and Approval of the MOA for 2025 South Fulton Comprehensive Transportation Plan (CTP). Required Local Match is $42,404 Capital Funded]
NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          WHEN I HAVE REMOVED AND PUT TO A LATER DATE, THE MOA IS STILL UNDER FINAL REVIEW FROM ALL THE CITIES IN THE IRC, SO THEY STILL HAVEN'T DELIVERED THE FINAL VERSION OF THE CONTRACT. 
          WHEN DO YOU WHEN DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT BY? WHEN DO THEY WANT US TO APPROVE IT? BY DECEMBER. OH, SO WE CAN PUT IT ON NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION. YES. OKAY. SO NUMBER, MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, ITEM NUMBER TEN. AND ITEM NUMBER 12 CAN GO TO NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION. 
          [III.13. Council Review and Approval of the Intergovernmental Agreement for MARTA's Safe Routes to Transit Bus Stop and Pedestrian Improvements. No Cost is Associated with the Agreement]
ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 13. YES. SO ITEM NUMBER 13 IS FOR REVIEW POSSIBLE APPROVAL OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT FOR WATER SAFE ROUTE TO TRANSIT BUS STOPS AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS. THIS AGENDA ITEM IS AT NO COST TO THE CITY. AND WHAT THE SAFE ROUTES TO TRANSIT PROGRAM IS. MODEL REVIEWS THEIR EXISTING BUS STOPS THAT HAVE THAT HAS HIGH RIDERSHIP, THAT HAS SOME. ISSUES, SUCH AS PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES THAT NEED TO BE FIXED, ADA RAMPS, MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS, SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT TO ENHANCE THE THE BUS STOPS SO THEY GO THROUGH, REVIEW THEIR STOPS. AND THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE HAD APPROXIMATELY EIGHT STOPS ON THIS PHASE. THAT MODEL IS GOING TO SUBMIT CONCEPTS AND IMPROVE AT NO COST TO THE CITY. SO THIS IS A INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT IN ORDER FOR MARTA TO DEVELOP THESE CONCEPTS AND IMPLEMENT THE IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE THE AGREEMENT PULLED UP. IS THE HILLCREST APARTMENT BUS STOP INCLUDED IN THIS? NO, MA'AM. SO 
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CAN YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA? PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. SO TALK TO MARTA. THAT'S THE MARTA STOP AT HILLCREST, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO ONCE GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR REQUESTS, THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION TO SEE IF WE CAN GET ON TO THIS PROGRAM. 
          UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE FIRST ROUND, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO ADD IT, BUT WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH MARTA ABOUT POTENTIALLY IMPROVING THE STOP WITH THAT PROGRAM. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN-HOUSE WITH THE CITY AS WELL ALREADY. YEAH, I JUST WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THEM. AND THE BOARD MEMBER. YOU ALSO HAVE ARE ON ITEM 26 AND 29. 
          [IV.26. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor Building Maintenance Service, Inc, from ITB 2026-1895 Citywide Cleaning and Janitorial Services, for Citywide Janitorial Services. NOT TO EXCEED: $200,000 FUNDING SOURCE: General Funds]
ITEM 26 IS JANITORIAL SERVICES. YES. THIS IS FOR RTB. ADVERTISEMENT FOR CITYWIDE CLEANING OF JANITORIAL SERVICES. THIS IS FOR THE CITY HALL, THE LAKE BUILDING, AS WELL AS OUR CUSTOMER CARE FACILITIES. THE BID THAT WAS ACCEPTED WAS FOR BUILDING MAINTENANCE SERVICES, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT VENDOR, AND THE BID WAS FOR $116,000.78. BUT THIS PUT A NOT TO EXCEED $200,000 TO COVER POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL EXPENSES SUCH AS EMERGENCY CLEANING, COVID CLEANINGS, THINGS THAT OCCUR OUT OF THE BLUE THAT AREN'T STANDARD SERVICES. AND THIS IS ANNUALLY. YES, MA'AM. IT IS A RENEWAL OPTION, ISN'T IT? I THINK IT'S A ONE YEAR RENEWAL OPTION. ANY. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T. COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS. MR. HALL, YOU SAID THE LEC CUSTOMER CARE CITY HALL. DOES IT INCLUDE THE ANNEX AS WELL? NO, SIR. WHO CLEANS THE ANNEX? BUILDING MAINTENANCE STAFF CLEANS THE ANNEX DAILY. SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A STAFF THAT'S EMPLOYED. 
          AND THEN THIS WOULD BE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE OTHER BUILDINGS. YES THEY DO NIGHT AND FLOOR CLEANING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL STAFF OPERATIONS. 
          OKAY. THAT'S WHY STAFF IN-HOUSE DOES CLEAN THE CITY HALL AS WELL. AND THOSE BUILDINGS CLEAN ALL THE OTHER CITY FACILITIES, THE WAREHOUSES AND ALL OF THOSE. BUT THIS IS JUST ADDITIONAL CLEANING SERVICES. AND WHAT SERVICES DO THEY DO PROVIDE OUTSIDE OF WHAT OUR CURRENT STAFF. SO MORE OF A COMPREHENSIVE CLEANING, DEEP CLEANING LIKE FLOORS, NIGHTTIME CLEANINGS, LEC FACILITIES 24/7. SO THEY COME IN AND CLEAN AROUND THE CLOCK THERE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. NOW THANK YOU. YOU SAID THAT IT IS 116,000, RIGHT? AND THEN THE OTHER AND THE OTHER 84,000, THAT WOULD JUST BE FOR LIKE EXTRA STUFF THAT OCCURS. BUT THEIR THEIR CONTRACT IS FOR 116, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. SIR. YES, THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE CONTRACT VERSUS THE RFQ FOR THE 
          [IV.29. Council Review and Approval of Contract for RFQ 2024-1839, Engineering and Design for Multimodal Path -Tri Cities to Virginia Ave GDOT 0019886. Total Cost is $2,241,000, Including the Cities 20% Match ($437,500) Which is Capital FY26 Budgeted]
ENGINEERING AND DESIGN FOR THE MULTIMODAL PATH, WHICH IS FROM TRI-CITIES TO VIRGINIA AVENUE. 
          WE PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, EVALUATE THE PROPOSALS, AND KIMLEY-HORN WAS THE AWARDED VENDOR. AND THE TOTAL COST WAS $2,241,000. AND THE CITY MATCHED $437,500, WHICH REPRESENTS 20% OF THE CONTRACT. THE MATCH WAS BUDGETED IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS YEAR, SO WE'RE PRESENTING THIS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER. YES. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, BUT NOT CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS THIS INCLUDES ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, SURVEYING, ALL THE CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE 2 OR 3 CONCEPTS TO PRESENT ALL THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. SO THIS IS THAT THOSE FIRST PHASES PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT. BUT I GUESS IF THAT WAS THE BEST ONE. AND SO HOW LONG OUT ARE WE FROM ACTUALLY BREAKING GROUND. I DON'T HAVE THAT TIMELINE YET DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THESE THESE TAKE. LIKE I SAID, IT 
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WILL BE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THIS GO THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AS WELL BECAUSE THIS IS FEDERAL FUNDING. SO THAT PROCESS CAN BE FROM 12 TO 18 MONTHS, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW EXTENSIVE IT IS. AND DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OF THE OTHER PATH PROJECTS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, OR ARE WE JUST DOING THIS LIKE ONE BY ONE AT THE MOMENT? WE HAD I SPOKE WITH THE ARC ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE FUNDING WAS ALLOCATED, AND WE NO LONGER HAVE SOME OF THE FEDERAL FUNDING, BUT THERE WAS SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE SOME PARTIAL MONEY TO START SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL NETWORK GOING NORTH TOWARDS ATLANTA. SO BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE PRESENT TO FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. 
          AND ARE THERE ANY PLANS ON DOING ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ARC? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT FUNDING WAS RESCINDED, BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER PATH PROJECTS OR, YOU KNOW, LEGS THAT WE CAN DO AT THE SAME TIME? YES. I'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH PARKS AND RECS DIRECTOR AS WELL ON THAT, ON GETTING STARTED ON SOME OTHER LEGS, AS WELL AS UPDATING OUR PLAN TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS STILL FEASIBLE. SO WE DO PLAN ON UPTICK IN OUR DEVELOPMENT OF OUR NETWORK. OKAY. MR. CITY MANAGER. SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THIS IS A PASSION OF MINE, THE PATH PROJECT. AND I KNOW THAT WHEN I'VE ENGAGED IN CONVERSATION WITH STAFF THAT THE PARKS AND REC SAYS IT'S A SIDEWALK PROJECT. AND SO THERE THERE'S IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          MAYBE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE CAN HAVE STANDING MEETINGS AGAIN, TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE, THE NEXT LEG TO DO AND THEN THE FUNDING SOURCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE IN PUBLIC COMMENT HAS STATED, THIS PATH PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE LIKE 75 YEARS TO COMPLETE. IF WE DON'T DO THINGS CONCURRENTLY. SO SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE BEST TO TO, YOU KNOW, DO STANDING MEETINGS SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN CAN BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND, AND WE CAN MOVE, MOVE THESE MOVE THESE PROJECTS FORWARD. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE 20% MATCH AND IT'S PART, PART PART OF IT'S GOING TO BE FEDERALLY FUNDED, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. ARE THERE ANY DEADLINES OR ANY THINGS THAT I'D HATE FOR US TO KIND OF MISS OUT? I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO GET THE COMMUNITY INPUT, LOOK AT THE RIGHT OF WAY PASS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO IS THERE A TIMELINE THAT THIS STUFF HAS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE? WELL, THE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN TO THIS POINT, BUT BUT WE'RE HERE NOW, SO WE'RE SHIFTING THE TIMELINES WITH ARC AND WITH THE FHWA ON, SINCE WE'RE JUST GETTING NOW TO THE POINT OF AWARDING THE CONSULTANT. SO WE'RE FINDING WE'RE ABLE TO SET OUR TIMELINES KIND OF FROM WHEN WE START THIS. SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY BEHIND OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. SO BUT I'M JUST SAYING WITH REGARDS TO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET THE FEDERAL FUNDS, ARE THERE DEADLINES? I MEAN, I KNOW WE COULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE ARC STUFF AND EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE DEADLINES MAY BE MORE ETCHED IN STONE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISS OUT. ESPECIALLY NOW SINCE YOU SAID WE'RE SORT OF KIND OF BEHIND, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH SOME EXACT DATES ON WHAT WE NEED TO BE. I DON'T HAVE IT AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST DON'T MISS OUT, YOU KNOW, ON THIS THIS OPPORTUNITY. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. FOR THIS. BLESSED FOR THE MATCH. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE MATCH? YES. AND THIS WAS FROM A CAPITAL. IT WASN'T TSPLOST. NO, I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE CAPITAL BUDGET, BUT ARE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES THAT PAY FOR DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET OR GENERAL FUNDS? I'M SORRY. IT WASN'T THIS PAST. ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS GOING ON? CONSENT. ALRIGHTY. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL OF YOUR ITEMS. THANK YOU. WE WILL. IS PLANNING A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 14. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY IS PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 14. LET ME FLIP TO 14. THAT'S THE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP. OH, YES, THEY WERE ON THAT ON THERE THE LAST TIME AS WELL. THE WHOLE 
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REASON WHY IT CAME TO LEGAL IS BECAUSE OF A REQUEST THAT CAME TO THEIR OFFICE. OKAY. SO ARE THEY NEEDED FOR THIS ITEM TONIGHT? I'M TRYING TO GET STAFF OUT BY DEPARTMENTS. I WOULD THINK SO. WE HAVE PARKS AND REC, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCE. SO OF THESE 
          [IV.23. Council Discussion and Possible Action of Vendor Gametime, from Cooperative Agreement OMNIA Partners, for Sumner and Colonial Hills Unity Park Playground Upgrades and Sykes Park Tennis and Pickleball Facility. CIP APPROVED and CIP FUNDING SOURCE; Amount Not to Exceed $151,000]
DISCUSSION PARKS AND RECORDS, PROBABLY SHORTEST ITEM NUMBER 23. MR. JONES. ITEM 20. IT'S ACTUALLY 21 AND 23. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF THEY. LET'S START WITH 23. IF THERE'S NO UPDATES OR INFORMATION ON 21 WE CAN PUT IT ON NOVEMBER WORK SESSION. OKAY. MAYOR, WE'LL HAVE OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, PLEASE EXCUSE MY ADDRESS. I WAS WITH MY KIDS FOR THE FALL BREAK. I DIDN'T WANT TO GO HOME AND BE LATE TO SEE YOU GUYS TONIGHT. I HAD GOOD FUN TODAY TOO, MAN. BUT WE ARE AT NUMBER 23. THAT'LL BE OUR OUR PARKS. WE'RE DOING SOME MORE RENOVATIONS TO SOME THE PARKS, SOME OF THE PARK AND COLONIAL HILLS PARK. 
          BOTH OF THOSE PLAYGROUNDS WERE ABOUT BETWEEN 17 AND 20 YEARS OLD. THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE COMING INTO WHEN THOSE WHEN THOSE PLAYGROUNDS BREAK OR ANYTHING GOES WRONG, THE PARKS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH EACH PARK IT JUST RENOVATE THEM AND UPGRADE THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN THE PARK. 
          WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO INSTALL THE SWINGS, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO INSTALL THE REST OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN THOSE TWO PARKS SITES. PARK IS ALSO IN ON THIS ONE. SYKES PARK. 
          WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT SOME SHADED AREAS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, PICKLEBALL IS THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW, AND A LOT OF OUR SENIORS ARE OUT PLAYING PICKLEBALL, WHICH IS AMAZING THING. BUT NOW Y'ALL KNOW IT GETS KIND OF HOT ON THAT THAT TENNIS COURT. SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR SHADE. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT A SHADED AREA OVER THE TENNIS COURT AT SYKES PARK ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE PARK. COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER. YES, THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, THAT THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS UPGRADING THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IS BOTH FROM PARK AND FROM CENTER PARK. IS THAT THE BEFORE AND THE AFTER IS NOT IT'S NOT BEEN WELL RECEIVED. THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF OR ANY INPUT FROM THEM AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT THE PLAYGROUND, AND ALSO WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN HAS BEEN LIKE NOT REALLY A DOWNGRADE, BUT THERE'S NOT BEEN AS MANY THINGS FOR KIDS TO DO. YOU KNOW, THE THE SWING SET WENT FROM LIKE LET'S SAY FOUR SWINGS DOWN TO TWO SWINGS. AND SO IF WE COULD GET SOME KIND OF LIKE A BEFORE AND AN AFTER, YOU KNOW, RENDERING OR SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ASK THE COMMUNITY IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW FAR ALONG Y'ALL ARE IN IN PURCHASING THE EQUIPMENT, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO. AND HEARD THERE FROM CENTER. WE DID HAVE A SITUATION AT AT AT EGAN, BUT WE DID ADDRESS THAT. WE WENT TO A, A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH MR. ATKINS. AND YOU. YEAH. SO WE WENT TO THAT MEETING TO KIND OF ADDRESS WHAT THEY HAD, THE CONCERNS THEY HAD AND THE CHANGE WE MADE MOVING FORWARD. ACTUALLY, AT THE LAST SUMMER MEETING, WE SHOWED THEM SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AT SUMNER PARK. 
          OKAY. SO SO WHATEVER. SO FOR COLONIAL HILLS, BECAUSE THAT'S IN MY WARD. DO WE HAVE A LIKE WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE? IT'S IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET I KNOW THAT I HAVE IT HERE IF LIKE I CAN HAVE IT SENT TO YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT. OKAY. HAS THAT HAS THAT BEEN SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON ON ON THAT ONE, BUT WE DEFINITELY WILL IF WE NEED TO. I CAN CHECK WITH MY DIRECTOR AT THE TIME. OKAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO JUST BECAUSE FOR BOTH EGAN AND CENTER PARK, THERE HAVE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH WITH THE RENOVATION AND I, I KNOW FOR EGAN PARK THEY'RE THEY'RE STILL NOT, YOU KNOW SATISFIED. AND YOU KNOW I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE AN UPDATE AT SOME POINT. I KNOW THIS ISN'T PART OF THAT AGENDA ITEM, BUT BUT AT SOME POINT, IT'D BE GOOD TO KEEP UPDATING THE COMMUNITY ON WHERE WE ARE IN RECTIFYING WHAT HAPPENED. YEAH, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES IN THE PLAYGROUND SPACE WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING 
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INTO CONSIDERATION THE PLAYGROUND BED IS ONLY SO BIG, SO IT CAN'T HOLD AS MUCH EQUIPMENT AS SOME MAY THINK AS ONE AND THEN AS TWO. I MEAN, WITH THE. SO WE THIS REGIME TOOK OVER RIGHT AROUND COVID. SO WE THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME WITH CAPITAL MONEY. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MATERIALS PRICING NOW VERSUS THEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE MEGA PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, THOSE ARE REALLY FOR DESTINATION PARKS. A LOT OF OUR PARKS ARE POCKET PARKS, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MAY SEE THE DIFFERENCE AND SEE IT IN OTHER PLACES, BUT REALISTICALLY, A LOT OF THEM CAN'T FIT. I MEAN, I'M DEFINITELY AMPED TO DO SOME BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES AT EITHER OF THE PARKS SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THEY LOOK THEN AND HOW THEY LOOK NOW, AND ALSO MEETING WITH SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES BEFORE WE EVEN INSTALL GET THEIR SUGGESTIONS. YEAH, BECAUSE I, I HEAR YOU WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SMALLER PARKS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT OVER AT HAYSVILLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY ONLY HAVE LIKE ONE BIG PARK. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SAME PARK THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, EAGAN PARK HAS HAD THEY'RE PARK THERE FOR A LONG TIME. AND THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THEY'VE SEEN LESS AND LESS THINGS BE THERE. LIKE I MEAN, THERE USED TO BE APPARENTLY A BUILDING THERE THAT PEOPLE COULD GO TO TO MEET, AND THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. YEAH. AND AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE ACTUAL PLAYGROUND PIECE, THERE WERE FOUR SWINGS. NOW THEY'RE DOWN THE TWO SWINGS AND THEN THE THERE'S ONLY ONE SLIDE NOW, WHEREAS BEFORE THERE WAS LIKE A SLIDE, A BRIDGE AND ANOTHER SLIDE. SO AND THIS YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL AT THE SAME PARK WITH THE SAME COMMUNITY. AND SO THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT, AT, YOU KNOW, THE PARK THAT'S IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WE HAD EXPECTED. 
          RECEIVE. COUNCILMEMBER ACTING. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. ANDERSON, FOR THE PRESENTATION AND ALSO FOR THE FEEDBACK, AND THAT WE DID AND, AND WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE REGARDING EGAN PARK. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT IS MAYBE GOING TO THE ASSOCIATIONS IN ADVANCE, AND THERE WAS A PRESENTATION AT SUMNER PARK. I REMEMBER I WAS THERE AND I THINK DUSTY WAS THERE ALSO WITH DIRECTOR PINKETT ON THAT, WITH THE UPGRADES TO SUMNER AND COLONIAL HILLS, IS THERE A PLAN TO GO TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS TO SHOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN OR WHAT EQUIPMENT WILL BE INSTALLED, WHAT THEIR NEW EQUIPMENT WOULD BE LIKE IN ADVANCE? SO THE BEFORE AND AFTER WOULD BE GREAT. BUT IF WE GET TO THE AFTER PART BEFORE THERE'S COMMUNITY INPUT, THEN THEY COULD RECEIVE SOMETHING THAT THEY WEREN'T EXPECTING. SO TO SOME THE PART WE HAVE BEEN TO THAT ONE, THE COLONIAL HILL. YES. WE WILL GO TO THAT ONE. YES. YES. OKAY. AND SO OKAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU. MY OTHER QUESTION WAS DIRECTOR PINKERT ALSO TALKED ABOUT ACCESS TO POWER. AND SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS HE WAS TRYING TO DO IS THAT AS WE ARE UPGRADING THE PARKS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEIR PAVILIONS AND OTHER THINGS AND THAT HELPS ALSO FOR TO DRIVE RENTALS, SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED POWER SOURCES. SO ARE WE ALSO LOOKING TO INSTALL OR HAVE ACCESS TO POWER FOR THE FOR THESE PARKS AS A PART OF THE UPGRADES? YES, SIR. THAT'S PART OF IT. WE ACTUALLY JUST FINISHED GIVING POWER TO SITES PARK PAVILIONS AT SYKES PARK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU DID THE EQUIPMENT, DID YOU? AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CONVERSATION CAME UP AND THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SCHEDULED MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE EQUIPMENT, AND THEY GAVE FEEDBACK. DID THAT HAPPEN? WHICH PART WERE YOU SPEAKING OF BEFORE YOU DECIDED TO PUT IN THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT? SO I THINK WE HAD A PRE MEETING. I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH YOUR LAWYER TO BE 100% SURE, BECAUSE HE DOES A LOT OF THE MEETINGS WITH THE CIP PROJECTS. BUT I THINK WE DID HAVE A MEETING AT CENTER, AND I KNOW WE JUST HAD ONE AT SUMNER. THE OTHER ONES I'M NOT 100% SURE ABOUT. OKAY, SO MAYBE SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON THE AGENDA OR IT'S JUST QUESTIONS. I WILL CLOSE THAT. AND THIS IS ONE IT'S ABOUT IS IT ABOUT PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. YES. OKAY. SO IF WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND AND WHEN WILL DIRECT THE PICKET BE BE BE BACK BE BACK. THIS AT THE END OF THIS WEEK. OKAY. AND HE CAN JUST COME AND EXPLAIN BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE I REMEMBER HIM SAYING 
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THAT HE WAS GETTING HE WAS HAVING COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANTED IN THE PLAYGROUND. I DON'T RECALL A BUILDING BEING AT EDEN PARK. I DO RECALL A BUILDING BEING AT SUMNER PARK. RECREATION CENTER IS SUMNER PARK. YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER A BUILDING THAT EITHER. WE DID HAVE A RECREATION CENTER BACK IN THE DAY. IN THE PARK. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE COLONIAL HILLS MEETING IS TOMORROW. OKAY? AT 7:00 AT THE ARTS EXCHANGE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S REALLY SHORT NOTICE, BUT I CAN ATTEND IT. IT'S FINE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE AGENDA ITEM ALSO HAS PHOTOS ON ON IT. THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES. OR ACTUALLY WHAT YOU ALL ARE. THOSE ARE ACTUAL PHOTOS. OKAY, SO LET ME GET FEEDBACK ON THAT OKAY. ON ON THE AGENDA. AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE UPDATES AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY ABOUT THAT MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY TOMORROW. WHEN IS THE AGENDA. SO SET THE COMMUNITY COLONIAL HILLS MEETING. YES TO THAT. AND THEN THIS WILL BE ON THE NEXT MONDAY'S AGENDA OCTOBER 20TH. COOL. I'LL JUST ASK HIM BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A GRANT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FOR 30 LEVEL 35,000. SO WE HAVE TO USE IT BEFORE OCTOBER THE 31ST. YEAH. SO EITHER WAY IT WASN'T GOING TO BE DECIDED BEFORE MONDAY. GOTCHA. QUESTION WAS WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE ON CONSENT OR AGENDA AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA. SO GOTCHA. DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THE MULTIGENERATIONAL RECREATION CENTER? WE'RE ACTUALLY STILL IN THE BEGINNING PHASES OF THAT. WE ARE IN. THE ILLUMINATION PHASE. WE'VE DONE THE INVESTIGATION PHASE, WHICH BASICALLY WAS A SITE AND ANALYST SITE CONTEXT AND INITIAL ZONING AND CODING. WE'VE DONE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE'VE DONE THE VISION WORKSHOPS. SO NOW WE'RE JUST MOVING THROUGH WITH THE PROGRAMING WORKSHOPS AND GETTING ALL OF THE TESTS OF THE SOIL AND THE SITE. WELL AFTER THAT, AFTER THAT, WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR NEXT PHASE, WHICH BE THE PROGRAM REPORTING SO THAT WE'LL KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SITE AND THEN THEY CAN START TO REALLY DEVELOP WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WILL THERE BE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY INPUT? I'M NOT SURE ON THAT. I CAN CHECK ON THAT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU. OKAY. MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, IF YOU COULD PUT ITEM NUMBER 21 ON THE NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT CONCLUDES YOUR ITEM. MR. THANK YOU. JUAN ANDERSON. I WAS ABOUT TO CALL YOU PICKETT. I COULDN'T GET PAST THE NAME. MR. JONES. DO WE HAVE A UPDATE ON THE OR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE 2024 AUDIT REPORT? TIMELINE OF COMPLETION. 
          NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. DO WE HAVE A TENTATIVE DATE OF WHEN IT WOULD BE COMPLETED? SINCE IT'S PAST DUE AS WELL? OUR TENTATIVE DATE IS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR FOR THE END OF THIS YEAR. OKAY. NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION. THIS WASN'T MY ITEM FOR NUMBER 20 AS WELL. AND 
          [III.14. An Ordinance to Amend the Code of Ordinances for East Point, Georgia at Division II Code of Local Government, Part 4 Administration, Chapter 6 Domestic Partnership; to Repeal Chapter 6 in Its Entirety; to Provide for Severability; to Promote the Public Health, Safety and Welfare, and for Other Purposes.]
THEN LET'S GO TO THE 14 DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY AND PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF. AND I THINK THE LAST ONE FROM STAFF WOULD BE THE FACADE UPDATE, WHICH PROBABLY WOULD TAKE SOME TIME BEFORE WE GET INTO COUNCIL ITEMS. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, ITEM NUMBER 14. YES. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AFTER THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD THE LAST TIME THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, I DID SEND OUT A REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE BASED ON SOME RESEARCH DONE FOR SOME OTHER CITIES. IN THE EXCHANGE WITH COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER. I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THAT. SO. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT BASICALLY REMOVED THE PROVISION THAT WAS DEEMED UNCONSTITUTIONAL, LEFT EVERYTHING ELSE. IF YOU REMEMBER, ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE REPEALED IN ITS ENTIRETY, BUT AFTER THAT 
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MEETING THAT WAS CHANGED TO WHAT WAS SENT OUT SEPTEMBER 8TH. THE CHANGES INCLUDE REMOVING THE SAME GENDER. RESTRICTION TO RECEIVING THAT AFFIDAVIT, AND ALSO ADDING LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY EMPLOYEES SHALL HAVE THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO MAKE ALL BENEFIT ELECTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE DOMESTIC PARTNER. BECAUSE REMEMBER, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW AND OTHER CITIES THAT IT LIMITED TO THE BENEFITS OR INSURANCE THAT UNMARRIED PEOPLE COULD RECEIVE FROM THE CITY. IT ALSO INCLUDED THAT THE CITY EMPLOYEES SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY TAX LIABILITY, AND THAT THIS AFFIDAVIT THAT THEY WERE SIGNING THE DECLARATION, RATHER, IS TRUE AND ACCURATE AND SIGNED UNDER THE PENALTY OF PERJURY. IT INCLUDED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT SICK LEAVE, FUNERAL LEAVE AND ANNUAL LEAVE BENEFITS BEING TO THE BENEFIT OF THE PARTNER, AND ALSO INSURANCE BENEFITS. AND LASTLY, NOTHING SHALL BE DEEMED TO ALTER, AFFECT OR CONFLICT WITH THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA OR THE UNITED STATES. AND SO THOSE WERE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE REVISED VERSION ISN'T ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF I COULD LOCATE IT. IS COUNCIL READY TO ACT ON THIS TONIGHT, OR DO YOU WANT IT ON THE NOVEMBER WORK SESSION? SO TONIGHT OR PUT ON NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION? I MEAN, NOT TONIGHT, OCTOBER 20TH AGENDA OR NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE IT, SO. 
          CAN'T DO IT TECHNICALLY ON MONDAY UNLESS WE GET IT SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE MONDAY ROUTE. IT CAN BE FORWARDED TO US. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE ONLINE AGENDA THOUGH. MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, TO REFLECT THE CURRENT PHASE THAT WE'RE IN, NOT JUST THE ORIGINAL ONE, THERE WAS A REVISED ORDINANCE PREPARED AND THEN NOVEMBER 10TH WORK SESSION. LAST STAFF ITEM IS THE FACADE GRANT UPDATE. MR. JONES. THANK 
          [III.16. Facade Grant Update]
YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL. WE'LL HAVE DIRECTOR ROGERS COME BACK UP AND WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM. 
          WELL, I GUESS STAFF IS ALSO A PART OF THE SIX AND SEVEN CREDIT CARD POLICY, BUT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AGAIN. MACY ROGERS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND ALSO JOINING ME WILL BE THE FACADE GRANT MANAGEMENT TEAM TEAM AARON ROGERS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND JASMINE CHENEY CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. WE HAVE BASED ON THE LAST MEETING, WE'VE INCORPORATED THE TWO REQUESTS THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCIL. ONE WAS TO IDENTIFY THE SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE ARPA FUNDS. WE INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE AGREEMENT, AND THE OTHER WAS TO REVISE THE SCOPE OF WORK BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT THE EACH AWARDEE GOT OR RECEIVED. TO DATE, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 32 AWARDEES. WE HAVE SIGNED CONTRACTS FROM 31 OF THEM. AND OF COURSE, WE'RE IN THE TRACKING SHEET SIGNING PROCESS AT THIS TIME. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. WE WILL WE ARE PREPARED TO TAKE ANY 
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QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. I THINK WE ALREADY KNEW THE FUNDING SOURCE WAS ARPA. I'M CONFUSED. IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE PUT THAT INTO THE AGREEMENT. RIGHT. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT'S GOING TO BE NECESSARY BECAUSE OF THE AWARD THAT WAS AWARDED IN THE WRONG AWARD. SO. YES, MA'AM. SO LOOKING THROUGH MY BUDGET, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT AMOUNT OF FUNDING. I THINK IT'S IN APPROXIMATELY $20,000. AND SO WE'VE MADE PROVISIONS FOR THAT AS WELL. ATTORNEY WILLIAM. YES, MADAM MAYOR, THAT WAS MY REQUEST TO PUT IN THERE. THE ARPA FUNDS WERE THE SOURCE TO AVOID. A PROSPECTIVE OR A SOME TYPE OF CONCLUSION THAT COULD BE MADE THAT THERE WAS A GRATUITY VIOLATION OF GIVING AWAY CITY MONEY. SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE ARPA FUNDS TO BE INCLUDED. HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE 31 CONTRACTS THAT ALLEGEDLY HAVE BEEN SIGNED? SO. SO, YES, JASMINE, MISS CHENEY DID SEND OVER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WERE 31, BUT THERE WERE QUITE A FEW OF THEM. THEY APPEARED TO BE ALL THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE RECIPIENT AND THE AMOUNTS. AND THEN THE ATTACHMENT THERE ARE TWO WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT BASED ON THE WORK THAT THE RECIPIENT WOULD BE DOING. SO THEY ALL INCLUDED THE ARPA LANGUAGE. AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER CHANGE I NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK. BUT THEY DID. IT DID REFLECT THE CHANGES THAT I REQUESTED, AND I DO BELIEVE THEY IT REFLECTED THE CHANGES THAT THEY HEARD FROM COUNCIL. COUNCILMEMBER. SO TO THE POINT, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, ABOUT THE GRATUITY CLAUSE, WHILE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS IS ARPA FUNDS, WE JUST HEARD THAT THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A SMALL PORTION THAT COMES FROM ANOTHER BUDGET. HAVE WE DEALT WITH THAT? UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE FIRST I'M HEARING. I HEARD IT LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS COMING FROM GENERAL FUND. SO NO, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT IT'S BEEN DEALT WITH. OKAY. THOUGHTS ON HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT? YEAH. MY IMMEDIATE THOUGHT IS YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THEN NOW WE'RE REMITTING FUNDS TO A PRIVATE ENTITY. IT'S IT BORDERLINES THE, THE GRATUITY CLAUSE IN MY OPINION. I WILL HAVE TO LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO, TO SORT OUT. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAY IT PUBLICLY, BUT I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHICH VENDOR OR WHICH BUSINESS THAT IS SO THAT I MAKE SURE I DON'T SIGN THE CONTRACT UNTIL THAT'S WORKED THROUGH. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M ABOUT TO GET ABOUT 31 CONTRACTS THROUGH CONTRACT TRACKING. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BUSINESS THAT DIDN'T SUBMIT DURING THE TIME FRAME, BUT SUBMITTED LATER IS GOING TO BE AWARDED. ALTHOUGH WE HAD A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED ON TIME THAT WERE NOT. SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A GRATUITY ISSUE WITH ONE OF THE VENDORS. I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM OUT ON THE RECORD, SO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I WON'T BE SIGNING THAT CONTRACT. AND. YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. IF I HAVE MORE, I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY. 
          BUT. THAT I DON'T RECALL THE BUSINESS. BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED. I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, BUT I, I FORGOT THEY HAD ALREADY SENT OUT APPROVAL LETTERS WITHOUT GETTING PRESENTING THE COUNCIL. SO THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP IN THIS SITUATION ANYWAY. 
          BUT IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE I KNOW THAT VENDOR. INTERESTING THAT THEY'VE BEEN SIGNED BY. ALL OF THE BUSINESSES, BUT THE CONTRACT TRACKING SHEET PROBABLY IS ABOUT TO ROUTE THEM TO EVERYBODY, INCLUDING LEGAL, BEFORE IT GETS TO ME. BUT I WILL BE PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THESE CONTRACTS. I'M NOT OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK IS GOING TO BE, BUT HERE WE ARE. SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO ME ASAP THIS WEEK SO I'LL KNOW WHETHER 
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OR NOT I NEED TO INCLUDE IT ON MONDAY'S AGENDA. ANY OTHER. NEXT? AND YOU'VE ALREADY NOTIFIED THE VENDOR THAT HAS A GRATUITY ISSUE THAT THEY'VE BEEN AWARDED. WE WILL DO THAT FOR YOU. WILL. THEY CAN'T BE AWARDED. YOU'VE ALREADY NOTIFIED THEM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN AWARDED. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL NEED TO WORK THROUGH THE LEGAL QUANDARY THAT WE MIGHT BE IN AT THIS POINT. AND WE CAN TALK THIS WEEK AGAIN, IF I NEED TO. I'LL PUT IT ON THE 
          [Items III.6. & III.7.]
AGENDA. THANK YOU, MR. ROGERS. NEXT UP IS WELCOME CARD POLICY AND TRAVEL POLICY, AND ALSO CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS, REIMBURSEMENTS AND REPORTING. THOSE TWO ARE TOGETHER. AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER THAT WE'LL HAVE NUMBER EIGHT NUMBER 11 AND NUMBER 35. RIGHT. WELL, I'LL, I LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH MISS CARTWRIGHT, BUT FOR THOSE MEMBERS IN THE PUBLIC, MISS CARTWRIGHT HAS BEEN APPOINTED INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. COMES TO US WITH 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN BANKING AND FINANCE. SHE HAS HER MBA AND WITH A CONCENTRATION IN BUSINESS AND HUMAN RESOURCES. SHE ALSO SERVED EIGHT YEARS IN IN A MUNICIPAL SITUATION AS FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF RINCON. AND ALSO BE NOTED THAT SHE SERVED FOUR YEARS IN OUR ARMED SERVICES IN THE US DEPARTMENT OF ARMY. SO. THE CREDIT CARD POLICY I'VE WORKED ON AND THE TRAVEL POLICY MISS CARTWRIGHT HAS WORKED ON. IN BOTH CASES, WE VISITED WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN THESE POLICIES, AND I'VE BEEN ASKED, AND I THINK OUR LATEST MEETING TO PREPARE A RECOMMENDATION. SO KIND OF GOING THROUGH OUR AGENDA FOR THIS WEEK, I'LL DO A QUICK RECAP. I DID DO A SURVEY OF CITIES SIMILAR SIZE AS OURS, AND I HAVE OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO. SO JUST KIND OF GOING ON WHAT WORK HAS GONE INTO THIS SO FAR? I WAS JUST REMINDED TODAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION AMONGST COUNCIL FOR OVER A YEAR, AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF, OF, OF ITERATIONS OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. I THINK IT BASICALLY PLANTED THE SEED OF A AREA OF CONCERN IN OUR FORENSIC AUDIT ANALYSIS. THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ALSO HAVE DONE SOME WORK IN SOME LEGAL REVIEW AND AND HELPED CRAFT A DRAFT OF A POLICY. THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS CONDUCTED SOME RESEARCH AND ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND SOME DRAFT OF AND PROVIDED SOME KEY BENCHMARK POLICIES FOR THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT. AND THIS EVENING I'LL GO OVER OUR RECOMMENDATION OR THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION. SO THE SURVEY WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON COMMUNITIES THAT ARE 30,000 TO 40,000 IN POPULATION, WHICH EAST POINT RESIDES IN THAT RANGE, THE CITY OF CANTON, GEORGIA. AND THESE ARE ALL GEORGIA CITIES, BY THE WAY. 
          HINESVILLE. KENNESAW, LAGRANGE, LAWRENCEVILLE, MCDONOUGH, PEACHTREE CITY, ROME AND STOCKBRIDGE. SO ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES, BASICALLY 30% OF THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE ELECTED OFFICIAL APPOINTED CREDIT CARDS OR ISSUED TO ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH ONE LITTLE HYBRID WITH LAGRANGE, WHERE THE COUNCIL IS NOT, BUT THE MAYOR IS. SO LOOKING AT RECOMMENDED BEST PRACTICES, BOTH LOOKING AT SUGGESTIONS FROM GFOA AND ICMA ALL KIND OF FOCUSED ON REASSURING THAT ACCOUNTABILITY AND USAGE AND REPORTING BE STRONG COMPONENTS OF ANY POLICY, 
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STRONG INTERNAL CONTROLS, AND ALSO MAKING SURE IT WAS A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN ADMINISTRATIVE AND ELECTED OFFICIAL CREDIT CARD POLICIES. SO MY RECOMMENDATION, PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT STATE OF INTERNAL CONTROLS, IS ESSENTIALLY DISCONTINUE, OR AT LEAST UNTIL WE CAN ESTABLISH STRONG INTERNAL CONTROLS. THE PRACTICE OF CITY ISSUED CREDIT CARDS. NOW, EFFECTIVELY, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE WHEN THE CITY DOES FOR AND PARTICULARLY FOR CITIES THAT DO NOT ISSUE THOSE CREDIT CARDS? THEY'RE VERY EFFICIENT ON MANAGING ADVANCED PLANNING AND NOTICE, WHICH ALLOW STAFF TO PROCESS ALL KIND OF NECESSARY PURCHASES THAT COUNCIL NEEDS IN ADVANCE. AND SO THE SAME ACTIVITIES COUNCIL ARE ENTERING INTO NOW WITH CREDIT CARDS WOULD BE THE SAME ACTIVITIES THEY COULD ENTER INTO IN POLICIES OR IN ORGANIZATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE CREDIT CARDS, REGISTRATIONS, TRANSPORTATIONS AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF ARRANGEMENTS CAN BE HANDLED WITH PER DIEM CHECKS, PARTICULARLY FOR TRAVEL IN ADVANCE OF THE TRAVEL. AND SO COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO CASH THOSE CHECKS BASED ON PER DIEM CALCULATIONS. MANY CITIES USE THE FEDERAL GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION EXAMPLE FOR THEIR PER DIEM CHECKS. THOSE TABLES THAT THEY HAVE ARE BASED ON CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AS WELL AS REGIONAL COMMUNITIES. AND SO THAT'S A PRACTICE. ALSO WITH REGARDS TO EVENTS, PRELIMINARY OR PRE PLANNING. ADVANCE PLANNING ALLOWS FOR PURCHASE ORDERS TO BE USED TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF PURCHASES. AND THEN IN ALL CASES, STAFF SUPPORT IS STILL THERE TO MAKE PURCHASES. SHOULD THERE BE SOME LATE MOMENT PURCHASES THAT NEED TO BE HAPPENING, THEN STAFF COULD MAKE THOSE PURCHASES WITH A PURCHASING CARD. AND AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS REIMBURSEMENT OPTIONS. SO OPTION TWO AND I THINK COUNCIL WAS FAMILIAR WITH THERE WERE A NUMBER OF BEST PRACTICE POLICIES THAT WERE PRESENTED. AND WHILE I THINK AUGUSTA WAS A VERY STRONG POLICY, WAS ALSO VERY LONG, CITY OF MONROE WAS ALSO VERY GOOD POLICY, SHORTER THAN AUGUSTA POLICY, BUT ALSO KIND OF LONG. I THOUGHT THE POLICY FROM THE GEORGIA MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION WAS SUCCINCT AND PROVIDED AT LEAST A GOOD STARTING POINT. I THINK THESE POLICIES, PARTICULARLY WITH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, ARE KIND OF LIVING DOCUMENTS THAT CAN BE CHANGED TO MEET THE NEED OF THE ORGANIZATION. AND SO KIND OF FOCUSING HERE ON TRANSPARENCY, ALSO, A STRONG PUBLIC INSPECTION COMPONENT. SO IN THE GEORGIA MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION THAT IF YOU RECALL, WAS IN SECTION D, IT WAS A REALLY SMALL ONE TWO LINER TENANT THAT BASICALLY RELIED ON PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS, BUT DIDN'T GO INTO ANY SPECIFICS. SO I KIND OF PRESENTED A POLICY WITH THE GEORGIA MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION AS THE BASE, BUT THEN REALLY BEEFED UP THE PUBLIC REVIEW AND COUNCIL ACCOUNTABILITY SECTION. SO IN MANY OF THE COUNCIL DEBATES THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO EITHER LISTEN TO OR BE A PART OF OVER AND OVER, THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COUNCIL BEING SELF-POLICING. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, KIND OF RECOGNIZING HOW SELF-POLICING FUNCTION WOULD OPERATE KIND OF WENT INTO BEEFING UP THAT SECTION D AND THE POLICY, THE BENCH, THE MODEL POLICY FROM THE GEORGIA MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION. SO TO BEEF THAT UP HAD FOUR COMPONENTS IN THAT ONE TO ENSURE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF 
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OF PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY. ALL CHARGES ON CITY ISSUED CREDIT CARDS OR PURCHASING CARDS BY ELECTED OFFICIALS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO MONTHLY REVIEW AND APPROVAL AT A PUBLIC MEETING OF THE EASTPOINTE CITY COUNCIL, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT SHALL PREPARE A DETAILED MONTHLY EXPENDITURE REPORT ITEMIZING ALL TRANSACTIONS MADE BY ELECTED OFFICIALS USING THEIR CITY ISSUED CREDIT CARD. THESE ISSUES SHALL BE ITEMS, EXCUSE ME, SHALL BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR FOR FORMAL COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. GOING TO TWO. THE APPROVAL OF THIS REPORT SHALL REQUIRE A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. FOLLOWING A REVIEW AND DISCUSSION IN OPEN MEETING. IF THE COUNCIL CANNOT PROVIDE APPROVAL FOR ONE OR MORE OF THESE SPECIFIC EXPENDITURES, OR IF AN ITEM IS REMOVED FROM THE APPROVAL LIST, THE COUNCIL MEMBER ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CHARGE SHALL BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION AND JUSTIFICATION AT THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING, OR AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE PUBLIC SESSION. IF GOING TO NUMBER THREE AFTER THE SUBSEQUENT REVIEW, THE COUNCIL IS STILL DOES NOT APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE. THE COUNCIL MEMBER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHARGE SHALL REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THE FULL AMOUNT AND THE IN QUESTION. FAILURE TO DO SO WOULD RESULT IN THE AMOUNT BEING WITHHELD OR GARNISHED FROM THE INDIVIDUAL COMPENSATION IN ACCORDANCE OF THE CITY PAYROLL AND FINANCE POLICIES. FOR US, JUST TO RECAP THIS PUBLIC REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS IS DESIGNED TO PROMOTE FISCAL INTEGRITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE STEWARDSHIP OF CITY RESOURCES SO THAT SECTION WOULD BE ADDED TO REPLACE THE SECTION D IN THE PUBLIC INSPECTION SECTION OF THE MODEL POLICY. OUTSIDE OF OF THAT, THE MODEL POLICY IS WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING. I THINK FINAL TIPS OR TAKEAWAYS, THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T REALLY COVER IS OUR INTERNAL CONTROLS. WHILE THEY ARE GETTING BETTER, THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROGRESS. I THINK OUR CURRENT CREDIT CARD REVIEW PROCESS IS OVERTAXING OUR CONTROLS AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT. WHILE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO BUILD STRONGER CONTROLS. THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY OPTION ONE MAKES MAKES SENSE, AND WHY I'M ALSO ALSO OFFERING UP ADMINISTRATIVELY. THERE'S A I CALL IT A BUDGET LOOPHOLE. 
          CURRENTLY, CREDIT CARDS ARE BASED ON MONTHLY LIMITS, BUT THERE IS NOTHING THAT TIES IN ANNUAL BUDGETS TO THOSE LIMITS. SO THEORETICALLY, YOU CAN HAVE ITEMS THAT ARE SCHEDULED EVENTS, BUT IF YOU STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET LIMIT OF EVERY CREDIT OF THE CREDIT CARD ISSUED EVERY MONTH, YOU COULD STILL GO OVER BUDGET ON THOSE ITEMS AND OTHERS. SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT OPTION TWO, ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS WOULD BE TO UTILIZE A PURCHASING CARD VERSUS A CREDIT CARD, WHERE IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO JUST LOCK IN BUDGET AMOUNTS FOR ANNUAL BUDGET APPROVALS, AND THEN THE CARD JUST WOULD NOT WORK AFTER THOSE BUDGET THRESHOLDS ARE MET. CURRENTLY, OUR CAPACITY FOR RECONCILIATION IS ALSO CHALLENGED, WITH RECEIPTS NOT BEING DISCLOSED AT A VERY ALARMING LEVELS. THE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS NEEDED WOULD CAUSE TREMENDOUS BURDEN ON STAFF TO ESSENTIALLY TRACK DOWN THOSE RECEIPTS. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS CALLING VENDORS GETTING THE ACTUAL RECEIPTS IF THOSE THINGS AREN'T SUBMITTED, AND THEN THEY BECOME PROBLEMS FOR OUR ANNUAL AUDITS, WHICH IN IN THE PAST HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO DELAYS. SO WITH THIS IN MIND, THAT'S WHY I RECOMMEND BOTH OPTIONS. I, I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE HEDGED A LITTLE BIT ON OPTION ONE, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S KIND OF HARD ONCE YOU GET USED TO HAVING THAT AVAILABILITY THERE, WE CAN FALL BACK ON OPTION TWO 
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WITH THOSE PARAMETERS. BUT WITH THAT, SEEKING FEEDBACK AGAIN, PROVIDED THOSE BENCHMARK POLICIES BEEN ASKED TO GIVE MY RECOMMENDATION. AND SO THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT. IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE LOOK UNDER THE HOOD, I'M STILL GETTING SOME INFORMATION. BUT WE'RE WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME POSITIVE INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP OUR OUR PURCHASE CARD ENDEAVORS WOULD CONCUR. I THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED AS A A SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. THAT WOULD ALSO HELP OUR OPTION NUMBER TWO AND MOVE TO A PURCHASE CARD SYSTEM IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ALSO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN A TYPICAL CREDIT CARD SITUATION, WHICH USUALLY TAKES 30 DAYS JUST FOR THOSE TYPE OF REPORTING MECHANISMS. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY TYPE OF CORRECTIVE ACTIONS THAT MIGHT BE 30 TO 60, MAYBE EVEN POSSIBLY 90 DAYS BEFORE THOSE THINGS SHOW UP ON A ON ACCOUNTS. SO PURCHASING CARDS ALLOW A LITTLE MORE EXPEDIENT RESPONSE, A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO SEE WHERE WE ARE WHEN WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING EXPENDITURES, EXPENDITURES. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF STRENGTHENING INTERNAL CONTROLS. AND THIS INITIAL, AT LEAST INITIALLY, THE ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SOLID PROGRAM WOULD BE TAXING THE SYSTEM A BIT. SO THAT'S MY PRESENTATION ON THAT. I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          YOU GO TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. WHAT DOES UNDER THE HOOD MEAN. OH UNDER THE HOOD. IT'S JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WON'T KNOW ABOUT. BUT BEING A PURCHASING CARD VERSUS A CREDIT CARD IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM ADMINISTRATING IT. BUT FROM THE USE FROM THE USER STANDPOINT, IT'S GOING TO FEEL THE SAME. SO I CALLED IT KIND OF UNDER THE HOOD, GOING TO A KIND OF A MOPAR TYPE OF VIEW OF LOOKING AT THE NETWORK. THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WAIVE OR GET AROUND THE REQUIREMENT OF RECEIPTS. YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A CREDIT CARD PURCHASE AT A BAR, CITI CREDIT CARDS RESOURCES CANNOT BE USED FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, AND THE ONLY WAY YOU ESTABLISH WHAT WAS PURCHASED IS TO HAVE THE RECEIPT. SO I UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT BE TIME CONSUMING, BUT FROM A CREDIT CARD AUDITING, FORENSIC AUDIT, OR JUST WE'RE OPEN GOVERNMENT OPEN RECORDS PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET AROUND MAKING EFFORTS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE TYPES OF PURCHASES DO NOT VIOLATE LAW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BUY CERTAIN THINGS. SO IF THE RECEIPTS AREN'T PROVIDED, I MEAN, LIKE WITH AMAZON, YOU CAN GO BACK. I MEAN, I HAVE ALL MY PURCHASES FOR YEARS AND I GO BACK AND GET MY RECEIPTS FOR BARS. I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE PAYING. THEN THE CITY CLERK IS PROCESSING PAYMENTS OR FINANCES, PROCESSING PAYMENTS. IF WE SEE A BAR ON A CREDIT CARD, LIKE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT LEGALLY CANNOT BE DONE. THIS ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT WE, BECAUSE WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE THINGS, THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, BUT THAT ASSUMPTION HAS NOT BEEN. HAS BEEN INVALIDATED BY RECENT CREDIT CARD DISCLOSURES. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET AROUND THE NEED REQUIREMENT DUTY OF STAFF, WHETHER IT'S I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE OR FINANCE, I DON'T KNOW WHO SENDS THE MONEY OVER TO REGIONS BANK TO PAY THE BILL OR TELLS THEM TO TRANSFER MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO THE OTHER, LIKE, HOW ARE WE DOING THAT WHEN WE SEE THINGS THAT SHOULD GIVE US PAUSE AND WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T COVER AND WE DON'T ASK FOR THE RECEIPT, AND IF WE DON'T GET THE RECEIPT, WE DON'T CALL THE ESTABLISHMENT, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES YOU CAN GET A RECEIPT FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT WHETHER THE PERSON PROVIDES IT OR NOT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE ARE DUTIES THAT WE CAN SAY, OH, IT'S TOO MUCH. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST START MOVING FROM THIS POINT MOVING FORWARD. AND IF I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU, I APOLOGIZE. BUT THERE'S THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE AUDITOR LOOK AT CREDIT CARD SPENDING AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR PROCESSES ARE IN PLACE. AND THEN THAT IS THE WHOLE REQUIREMENT BY LAW TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT USING CITY FUNDS OR RESOURCES FOR CERTAIN PROHIBITED ITEMS BY LAW. WHEN I STARTED TALKING, NO 
          [04:50:03]
ONE'S LIGHT IS ON NOW. THEIR LIGHT'S ON. COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS. COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS I'M SORRY, MR. JOHNSON. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO BE A CLARIFYING POINT. POINT HERE BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THAT. THE REMARKS. ONE IS IF THERE IS A PER DIEM, THAT PER DIEM GOES THROUGH A CALCULATION, AND THAT CALCULATION IS BASED ON THE MEALS AND THE REGISTRATION, THE COST OF INCIDENTALS, AND THEN THAT THEN IS FORMS A CHECK THAT'S GIVEN TO COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE YOU LEAVE. AND THEN YOU CAN USE THAT CHECK. HOWEVER YOU USE THAT CHECK. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT. BUT WE GO THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS WHICH CREATE THAT LEGAL ENVIRONMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN MONEY FOR THE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, WHICH ARE APPROPRIATE. AFTER THAT, ESSENTIALLY, EITHER YOU'RE NOT USING THAT MONEY FOR THOSE APPROPRIATE THINGS. THAT'S THE FLEXIBILITY WITH PER DIEM. OR IF YOU ARE, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MONEY FOR ANYTHING EXTRA AND YOU'RE PAYING OUT OF YOUR POCKET ANYWAY. FOR THOSE EXTRA CURRICULAR TYPE OF ITEMS. BUT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE. AND THAT THAT WAS THAT'S THE PER DIEM PIECE IS THE ONLY WHERE THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RECEIPTS OR ANYWHERE ELSE YOU WOULD. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE NOW, IS WE HAVE A FORM THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO USE. THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT WE'RE DOING IT AT SUCH A RATE, IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE FOR AUDITORS AND THEN AUDITORS WILL BE DIGGING INTO. AND THEN A LOT OF TIMES THEY WILL TRY AND FIND RECEIPTS THAT BY THE TIME THEY COME IN, COULD BE A YEAR OLD FROM THE VENDOR. SO THAT THAT CREATES THOSE KIND OF DELAYS, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE DOING TYPE OF FORENSIC TYPE OF AUDITING, YOU KNOW, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION. I'VE RECEIVED PER DIEM CHECKS AND I'VE USED MY CARD. BUT WHAT I HAVEN'T DONE IS USE MY CARD AT A BAR. RIGHT. WHAT I HAVEN'T DONE IS HAVE CHARGES ON MY CARD THAT ARE QUESTIONABLE, SUCH THAT I WOULD EXPECT SOMEBODY TO LOOK INTO IT BEFORE PAYING IT RIGHT, VERSUS JUST THIS AUTOMATIC PROCESS OF PAYING BILLS WITHOUT MAKING SURE PROPER DOCUMENTATION IS SUBMITTED. AND I KNOW YOU INHERITED A LOT OF THIS, BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND AS WE GET THROUGH WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. LIKE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T PAY FOR AND WE CAN'T SAY, OH, WE PAID FOR IT. BUT THERE WAS NO RECEIPT. WE'RE NOT SURE, BUT IT SAYS BAR, RIGHT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS LOUNGE. IT SAYS, I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU GO TO CERTAIN RESTAURANTS, THERE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL AVAILABLE WITH THE DINNER. RIGHT. WHICH IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT RECEIPTS ARE EITHER PROVIDED OR THERE'S AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY IN STAFF IS TAKING AN EXTRA STEP TO TRY TO GET THAT RECEIPT. TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG RESTAURANTS OR BUSINESSES KEEP, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR THEY CAN GO BACK. BUT EVEN IF WE JUST MAKE AN EFFORT TO ASK AND DOCUMENT THAT WE TRIED, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF THAT HELPS BUILD TRUST AND AND TRANSPARENCY. RIGHT. SO LIKE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OKAY, WELL LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD. NO IT'S THERE'S SOME THINGS WE GOTTA ADDRESS THAT'S WITHIN CURRENT AUDIT YEARS THAT ARE STILL PENDING, THAT WE CAN'T ACT LIKE WE AREN'T AWARE. COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINSON, COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. MR. CITY MANAGER WITH THE P CARD OPTION, HOW MUCH CUSTOMIZATION CAN WE DO ON THE P CARD OPTION? THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE UPLOADING OF RECEIPTS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND SHOULD SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE AS A BODY DECIDE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS GUARDRAILS IN THERE, IF THEY'RE NOT MET, THEN WE COULD HAVE THE CARD WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SHUT DOWN UNTIL THOSE PROVISIONS ARE MET. HOW MUCH CUSTOMIZATION WOULD WE BE ABLE TO HAVE WITH THE P CARD OPTION? SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, A GREAT DEAL MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN A TYPICAL CREDIT CARD. SO THERE HAVE BEEN, I THINK THERE WAS I THINK EVEN YOU MENTIONED CONCUR, THERE HAD BEEN SOME OTHER PROGRAMS AND THAT STAFF HAS BEEN LOOKING INTO. WE'VE GOTTEN SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON CONCUR. WE JUST NEED TO FINE TUNE AND MAKE SURE IT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH OUR PARTICULAR AP SYSTEM, BUT IT'S GOING TO ALLOW 
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US TO BE ABLE TO SHUT CARDS OFF A LOT FASTER. AND I THINK I KIND OF ALLUDED TO CONNECTING THOSE CARDS TO BUDGETS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, APPROVED. THERE'S SOME THOUGHT OF LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S YOUR AMOUNT FOR THE YEAR, THAT BUDGET YOU OPERATE WITHIN THAT THE CARD DOESN'T WORK. YOU DON'T GET TO CALL AND SAY, CUT THE CARD BACK ON. THE BUDGET'S BEEN EXPENDED, YOU KNOW. AND SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE, THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN DO WITH A PURCHASING CARD. AND AND ACTUALLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, EVEN FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH REGENTS BANK, IS THAT WHEN THIS WHOLE SYSTEM WAS SET UP, IT WAS SET UP AS A SMALL BUSINESS AS OPPOSED TO A. 
          MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR ORGANIZATION OR GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION. SO THEY DON'T EVEN RECOMMEND UTILIZING A CREDIT CARD SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND SO WITH THAT, IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE THAT WE PASS A BUDGET AND FOR INSTANCE, FOR US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE THREE BUCKETS IN ADDITION TO OUR SALARY. AND FOR THOSE WHO GET BENEFITS, BENEFITS, WE'VE GOT A BUCKET FOR OFFICE SUPPLIES, A BUCKET FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING. SO OUR CONFERENCES AND THEN A BUCKET FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OR EXTRA HELP. THOSE TOTAL $25,050. AND SO WITH THE CREDIT CARD LIMITS, TO YOUR POINT, IF WE ARE USING THOSE CREDIT CARDS AND MAXIMUM OUT THOSE LIMITS EVERY MONTH, THEN WE'RE WELL ABOVE THAT $25,000. SO DO I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT WITH THE P-CARD SYSTEM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE THOSE BUCKETS? AND THEN AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I'M ORDERING FOLDERS OR PINS OR SOME OFFICE SUPPLY, THEN I DESIGNATE THAT AND IT GOES AGAINST THAT BUDGET. AND WHEN THAT BUDGET IS DEPLETED, THEN THAT'S IT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD FOR RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. YOU MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT WHEN WE'RE WHEN WHEN THE CARDS ARE BEING USED AT PLACES THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE USED AT, LIKE FOR A BAR OR WHATEVER. SO THE PROBLEM HERE LIES. THERE'S NEVER BEEN I DON'T FROM, FROM MY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANYONE TO EVEN VET IT EACH MONTH TO KIND OF SEE WHAT YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYONE EVEN LOOKING AT THE CARDS TO REALLY SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE RIGHT IF THE IF THE PURCHASES ARE BEING MADE, IF THEY SHOULD, SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE MADE. SO I THINK I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, MAYBE A YEAR OR SO AGO, AND I FORGOT WHAT CITY IT WAS, BUT THEY HAD AN ADMINISTRATOR AND THAT ADMINISTRATOR. WHAT THEY DID PRETTY MUCH WAS JUST LOOKED AT THE STATEMENTS EVERY MONTH. AND I THINK IF IF WE DID STICK WITH THE CREDIT CARD SYSTEM, IT'S A NO GO. IT'S A GO OR NO GO LIST. AND THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE THE CARD FOR. AND THEN OF COURSE YOU NEED DOCUMENTATION, RECEIPTS OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND IF IT'S ON THAT LIST AS A GOAL, THEN THAT'S OKAY. BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A NO GO THAT YOU SHOULDN'T USE IT FOR, IT SHOULD BE REIMBURSED, AND YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD PROVIDE A RECEIPT. AND THEN I THINK ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE IF THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE THEY'RE REPEAT OFFENDERS, WHERE IT'S COMMON PRACTICE EVERY MONTH, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF PENALTY OR SOMETHING IN PLACE. THIS IS IF WE'RE STILL GOING TO GO WITH THE CREDIT CARDS. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD ALL BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THESE CREDIT CARDS. AND IF YOU AREN'T USING THEM AS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, NUMBER ONE, YOU SHOULD PAY IT BACK. AND I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE SOME SORT OF WARNING THE FIRST TIME, THE SECOND TIME A 30 DAY SUSPENSION. 
          AFTER THAT, IF IT HAPPENS A THIRD TIME, THEN JUST TOTAL REVOCATION OF THE CARD. BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE USING THESE CARDS FOR. LIKE I SAID, IF WE STICK WITH THE. WITH THE CREDIT CARD SYSTEM, BUT IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME SORT OF VETTING PROCESS IN PLACE THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF REVIEW BECAUSE FROM I GUESS WITH THE MAYOR SAYING IT'S JUST THAT THE THE STATEMENTS, THEY COME IN AND THEY'RE PAID AND THAT'S IT. SO THERE'S NO KIND OF OVERSIGHT OVER IT ALL. SO I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO STICK WITH THE CREDIT CARD SYSTEM, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT, SOMETHING SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT THAT THESE STATEMENTS ARE VETTED EVERY MONTH. YEAH. BECAUSE I GUESS BASICALLY OFF OF SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD, THE APPROVAL IS, IS WHAT KIND OF MOTIVATED ME TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC MONTHLY. AND I THINK YOU BECOME. YOU BEGIN TO 
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BE SELF POLICED WHEN YOU KNOW WHATEVER YOU CHARGE IS GOING TO BE ON A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. 
          AND YOU'RE YOU MAY HAVE TO ASK OR BE REQUIRED TO GIVE SOME JUSTIFICATION TO IT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC. RIGHT. AND SO THAT, YES, WE WE CERTAINLY WILL HAVE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THE MECHANICS OF THAT FOR SURE. BUT I THINK WE RUN INTO THE SAME CHALLENGE BECAUSE THE BODY IS KIND OF SELF-POLICING NO MATTER, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S COUNCILS IN THE FUTURE OR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF CITY MANAGERS OR WHATEVER, THAT LENDS ITSELF TO KIND OF BEND TO WHATEVER TYPE THAT BEHAVIOR THAT'S GOING ON ON THE COUNCIL OR WHATEVER THE CITY MANAGER IS, OR THIS WAY IT'S IT'S IF WE CAN INCORPORATE IT, IF THIS IS THE APPROACH WE WANT TO TAKE THIS WAY, WE ALL KNOW IT'S A PUBLIC PROCESS. AND SO THAT APPROVAL LIST IS GOING TO BE SUPER CLEAR. 
          AND THEN WHEN THE COUNCIL PERSON, ANY, ANY COUNCIL PERSON CAN SAY, OH THAT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, PLEASE PULL THAT OFF OF THE APPROVAL LIST, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT RIGHT THERE IN THE PUBLIC. THEY CAN EXPLAIN IT LATER ON BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED. AND IF NOT, THEN THEN YOU HAVE TO REIMBURSE THE CITY. SO I THINK THAT A LOT OF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OUT OF YOU AND I CONVERSATION OF, OF APPROVAL LIST. BUT THIS WAY IT'S KIND OF FOCUSED IN THE PUBLIC. SO THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT. OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS MY THOUGHT ON THE WHOLE THING ABOUT WITH THE PUBLIC, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IN BRINGING IT FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC. I JUST KNOW EASTPOINTE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND WHAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY JUST END UP BEING. WE TALKING ABOUT TWO HOURS DISCUSSING CREDIT, I MEAN, AND BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, SO I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IF WE IF, IF, IF THEY'RE VETTED AND THEN MAYBE WE DO SOMETHING LIKE. I DON'T KNOW, SOME SORT OF COME TOGETHER THING, BUT TO JUST MAKE IT LIKE AN OPEN FORUM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. LIKE, LET'S BE CLEAR, I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN BRINGING ANYTHING FORWARD, BUT I JUST KNOW TO SIT AND ADD THAT AS ANOTHER PIECE TO A COUNCIL MEETING. I JUST KNOW JUST THE POTENTIAL FOR WHERE IT CAN GO, HOW IT CAN GO, AND DEFINITELY HOW LONG IT COULD GO. SO I DON'T MAYBE IF WE CAN EXPLORE SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND I THINK SOME OTHER THINGS MAY COME UP AND THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY LOOK AT DOING, BUT JUST TO. THAT'S A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. I MEAN, I'M JUST I YIELD. COUNCILMEMBER FREELAND. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU, MR. JONES. FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS. I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION I WAS ABLE TO HAVE WITH YOU, THE CONVERSATION I WAS ABLE TO HAVE WITH MISS CARTWRIGHT. I LIKE BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING CLEARLY THE OPTION TWO, THERE'S THERE'S NOT AN OPTION WHERE WE'RE RETAINING CREDIT CARDS. BOTH. THERE'S EITHER ELIMINATING AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL OR THERE'S P CARDS CITYWIDE. SO CREDIT CARDS ARE ARE NOT PART OF YOUR PROPOSAL. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO. I OF COURSE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC REVIEW. I MEAN IT'S AN OPEN RECORD. CAN'T EVEN OBJECT TO IT ANYWAY. BUT TO COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS POINT OF HAVING THIS MONTHLY BE REVIEWED, I MEAN, I THINK THERE I'M HOPEFUL THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT STAFF, WHATEVER THIS PROCESS IS, CAN DO WHAT'S NEEDED. AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, THAT ISSUE IS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY EMAIL TO EVERYBODY ABOUT WHATEVER CHARGE AND GIVE THE COUNCIL MEMBER THE OPPORTUNITY. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION BEFORE A MEETING AND THEN HAVING MEETING ONLY ON ISSUES RIGHT. NOT NINE CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS EVERY MONTH. AND WHETHER THERE'S ZERO CHARGES OR NOT, THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT AT EVERY MEETING. RIGHT? I THINK THERE IS DEFINITELY AN OPERATIONAL EXPECTATION THAT STAFF IS COMPLYING WITH THE LAW. STAFF IS ENSURING THAT WE AS A CITY, I SHOULD SAY, ARE COMPLYING WITH THE LAW WITH, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTING STANDARDS LIKE ALL OF THE THINGS AND THE PROCESSES ARE OPERATING. STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES ARE BUILT AROUND THAT SUCH THAT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, IT RISES TO OUR 
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LEVEL AND THAT COULD BE MONTHLY. RIGHT? I DO THINK THIS ASSUMPTION OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CHECKS HAPPENING IN THE BACKGROUND AND THINGS THAT IF IT'S NOT HAPPENING, RIGHT, IF WE HAVE AND I KNOW IT WAS OVER 60% OR SOMETHING THAT WAS QUOTED BEFORE OF US CHARGES WITHOUT RECEIPTS, LIKE THAT'S A ISSUE THAT WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT AT THIS LEVEL. THAT'S NOT OKAY. 
          RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I USE MY CARD VERY LITTLE. I MEAN, I HAVE A FULL TIME STAFF PERSON WHO MIGHT DO MORE FOR LIKE SUPPLIES OR OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE'S A RECEIPT, RIGHT? IF NOT, IT'S USED VERY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. IT'S LIKE PARKING. THE PARKING MACHINE WASN'T WORKING RIGHT AND I COULDN'T GET A RECEIPT FROM THAT OR SOMETHING. BUT LIKE SUBSTANTIAL CHARGES, LIKE, WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS BECAUSE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IF IT'S GOODS, IT'S CITY PROPERTY, IF IT'S SERVICES, THERE'S PROCUREMENT FOR THAT. AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOOD OR WHATEVER, LIKE THERE ARE LAWS THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE YES, A PUBLIC APPROVAL PROCESS MONTHLY WOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE IT'S ALREADY ALMOST MIDNIGHT AND THIS AIN'T EVEN ON THE AGENDA. RIGHT. IF WE TRY TO DO IT ON THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS COME IN. THAT'S USUALLY A MEETING THAT HAS A LIGHTER AGENDA. BUT DO WE REALLY WANT TO BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE CARDS, OR DO WE WANT TO TRUST THAT WE HAVE STAFF AND WE SUPPORT A PROCESS THAT'S BUILT BY STAFF THAT WILL BRING ISSUES TO THIS LEVEL TO BE RESOLVED, BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T STAFF SHOULDN'T BE PUT IN THOSE POSITIONS, RIGHT. STAFF SHOULD NOT BE PUT IN A POSITION TO HAVE TO TELL. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, ONE. MR. JONES, WE'RE YOUR SUPERVISORS RIGHT TO TELL TO DEAL WITH ONE OF YOUR SUPERVISORS INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT A SITUATION LIKE I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULDN'T PUT STAFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE THINGS. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT SHOULD RISE TO THIS LEVEL. BUT I ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS SENTIMENT. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT NINE A MONTH, FIRST OF ALL, BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE MEETING AFTER THE NOTICE HAS BEEN PUBLICIZED FOR THE MEETING, IT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA LIKE IT'S JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS, AND I DON'T I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE POSTED, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO ACCESS CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS ONLINE, RIGHT, MAKING THAT OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER, LIKE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER. BUT DO WE REALLY WANT EVERYBODY TO SIT AND SPEND TIME AN HOUR OR MORE EACH MONTH ON CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS, WHEN REALLY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PROCESSES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LEVEL OF INTEGRITY THAT ARE COMPLIANT WITH LAW. AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, WE DON'T PUT STAFF IN THE MIDDLE. COUNCIL MEMBER AND COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS, THANK YOU. IN THE AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR IN THE PROCESS OF THE APPROVAL WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE MAJORITY. BUT IF THE MAJORITY DECIDES THAT THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT'S ON ONE PERSON'S CREDIT CARD, EVEN THOUGH IT IT IS COULD BE A LEGITIMATE PURCHASE AND THEY DECIDE, OH NO, WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THAT. AND IT COULD BE A LEGITIMATE PURCHASE. THEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM THERE. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK SO. IF YOU WANT TO GO, IF YOU WANT TO DO P CARDS, THAT'S FINE. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCUR PROCESS. IT'S PART OF THE GOVERNMENT. WE WORK WITH THAT ANYWAY. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IF THE MAJORITY FEELS THAT A PURCHASE WAS NOT LEGITIMATE PURCHASE OR PURCHASE THAT THEY FEEL WAS NOT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PURCHASED? SO THERE EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT. WELL, I, I WOULD SAY WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT, I THINK MAJORITY RULES. SO THERE IS SOME. CUSTOMIZATION, IF YOU WILL, TO POLICY TO PRACTICE THAT YOU GET FROM THE MAJORITY. AND SO IF THAT WAS THE THE PLAY OUT AND IN THAT WAY IT SOUNDS 
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LIKE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT JUST BE QUESTIONABLE, THAT YOU WILL KNOW FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. YEAH, THAT'S QUESTIONABLE BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT WORK, THIS MIGHT NOT WORK, BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU REALLY SHOULD PURCHASE IT? SO SO LET ME AND AND MAYBE JUST ONE, ONE MORE THOUGHT, MAYBE THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONABLE THINGS, YOU LEAVE IT UP FOR STAFF TO PURCHASE. SO LET ME BE LET ME BE CLEAR. YOUR ANSWER IS ALWAYS THE MAJORITY RULES. IT SHOULDN'T BE THE MAJORITY RULES. 
          IT SHOULD BE COMING TOGETHER AS A COLLABORATIVE COUNCIL PERSON AND AS A AS A COLLABORATIVE COUNCIL MEMBER. AND I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE YOUR ANSWER IS ALWAYS THE MAJORITY RULES. IT COULD BE A A, IT COULD BE A STAPLE PURCHASE. THAT YOU GOT TONER FOR YOUR PRINTER THAT YOU UTILIZE FOR THE CITY. AND THEY MAY FEEL LIKE YOU SAID, THE MAJORITY. NO, NO. SO, MISS MR. JONES, THAT I MEAN, I THINK ON THE MAJORITY RULE SIDE. RIGHT. 
          AND HAVING A PUBLIC PROCESS, I MEAN, THAT WILL SHOW IF SOMEBODY IS BEING TARGETED, I MEAN JUST PERIOD LIKE BUT, BUT BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE A PROCESS WHERE THERE IS PUBLIC DISCLOSURE AND COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION BECAUSE THE COUNCIL ACTS BY MAJORITY VOTE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF ONE COUNCIL MEMBER'S CHARGES ARE OBJECTED TO EVERY MONTH AND IT'S STAPLES OR IT'S AMAZON, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE UP HERE WHO BUY STUFF FROM AMAZON, RIGHT? LIKE SO I MEAN, I, I THINK HAVING A PROCESS WILL HELP EVEN ADDRESS ANY PERCEIVED, ALLEGED OR WHATEVER TARGETING OF SOMEONE BECAUSE THAT ALSO HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL MONTHLY. AND IF IT'S STAPLES AND IT'S TONER AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PRINTER THAT YOU HAVE AND THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE PEOPLE REALLY GOING TO BRING THAT FORWARD EVERY MONTH TO CONSTANTLY OBJECT TO IT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD SEEM BIASED. BUT I THINK A PROCESS PUT IN PLACE ALSO COULD HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC. BUT TRANSPARENCY AND TRUST, PUBLIC TRUST IN THE CREDIT CARD PROCESSES BECAUSE, I MEAN, LET'S JUST FACE IT, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, LIKE JUST BECAUSE WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND MOVE FORWARD DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE THINGS THAT EXIST AND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE EFFORT OPERATIONALLY TO TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET THESE RECEIPTS. I MEAN, WE GET I MEAN, WHEN AT WHAT POINT WAS IT GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE FORMS OF LOST RECEIPTS WAS SO HIGH? AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT YOU ALL. YOU ALL PROBABLY INHERITED MOST OF THIS, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CLERK, MY MY ASSISTANT DOES MY CREDIT CARD IN THE CITY CLERK DEALS WITH ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND IF THAT WAS BECOMING A PATTERN, YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T THE CLERK BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION? AND HOW DO WE BUILD A PROCESS THAT ENSURES THAT THOSE THINGS ARE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION? AND WHATEVER COUNCIL DECIDES? I MEAN, THOSE ARE PUBLIC DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE OWNED BY THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME LEVEL OF PUBLIC CHECK AND BALANCE ONE SHOULD BE FAIR. AND IF IT'S NOT, THERE WILL CLEARLY BE A RECORD AND APPEARANCE OF THAT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER AND NOT HAVE A PROCESS BECAUSE OF THAT POSSIBILITY. I THINK WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES, IT GETS CALLED OUT OR I MEAN, YOU ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME, BUT RIGHT NOW, LIKE SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE AND WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, PAST PURCHASES AND PAST YEARS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO. COUNCILMAN, WERE YOU DONE? YEAH. I'M DONE, COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS, MR. JONES, ARE YOU IN OR. THAT WAS. YEAH, I AM, BUT YES, I WAS JUST GO AHEAD. I CAN SAVE MY REMARKS. MR. JONES, SHOULD THIS BODY DECIDE THAT IT WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH OPTION TWO, WHICH IS THE USE OF P CARDS, HOW LONG WOULD IT HOW LONG WOULD THAT PROCESS 
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TAKE FOR TO GET US UP AND RUNNING WITH THAT PARTICULAR OPTION? GOOD QUESTION. I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WE REALLY HAVE OUR SYSTEMS PRETTY TAXED RIGHT NOW, SO I WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE BACK WITH STAFF TO KIND OF GET A REAL ESTIMATE ON WHEN WE COULD GO LIVE WITH THE PROGRAM. BUT I WILL SAY IT, IT HAS TO BE A THOROUGH PROGRAM, NOT JUST THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE CARDS, BUT THE ACTUAL RECONCILIATION PROCESS, THE ACTUAL ACCOUNTABILITY PROCESS. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME SOME TIME. RIGHT. AND I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION BECAUSE BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S SOME GAPS IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING. AND SO TO BRIDGE US TO THAT POINT, THEN IT ALSO MAY BE WISE FOR US TO CREATE SOME POLICIES THAT THE THIS BODY CAN VOTE ON SOONER THAN LATER. FOR INSTANCE, NO RECEIPTS. YOU GET ECZEMA DAYS TO SECURE RECEIPTS. WITHOUT THAT THEN REIMBURSEMENT TO THE CITY OR SOME SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY FEELS WOULD SUFFICIENTLY BRIDGE US TO THAT POINT SO THAT THE QUESTIONABLE SPENDING THAT IS THE SOURCE OF A LOT OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION AND WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, WE CAN SORT OF QUELL THAT. WHILE STAFF IS ABLE TO WORK ON BRINGING US UP TO SPEED AND GETTING US READY FOR THE P-CARD SYSTEM. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION. SO IF THERE ARE, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE BODY TO GO WITH OPTION TWO, THEN I GUESS THE NEXT THING WE WANT TO DO IS TO ASK FOR SOME POLICY CHANGES OR UPDATES SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON THOSE AND IMPLEMENT THOSE NOW, AND ALSO TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE PAST CHARGES THAT THIS BODY FEELS SHOULD HAVE DOCUMENTATION, SUPPORT, DOCUMENTATION FOR. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ZEIGLER, COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL, AND COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS. 
          YES. THANK YOU. SO MY POSITION IS THAT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THE BEST IDEA TO HAVE CITY COUNCIL VOTE ON ON ISSUES THAT THAT THEY THINK MAY WHERE SOMEONE MAY HAVE MISUSED THE CARD OR MISUSED PUBLIC FUNDS BECAUSE WHAT WHAT'S WRONG IS WRONG. THEFT IS THEFT, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT. AND IF YOU HAVE A COUNCIL FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE. NOT WANTING, YOU KNOW, TO ACT IN AN ETHICAL WAY, THEN THEN THE PUBLIC HAS A PROBLEM. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT IN OTHER CITIES THEY THEY DO MAKE A STAFF PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR FIGURING OUT WHICH, WHICH CHARGES ON THE CARDS ARE ACCEPTABLE, WHICH ONES ARE NOT. AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT STAFF MEMBER IS PROTECTED BY THE LAW, YOU KNOW, MISUSING PUBLIC FUNDS IS AGAINST THE LAW. AND IT SHOULDN'T TAKE A MAJORITY VOTE FOR FOR DECISIONS TO BE MADE THAT THAT THIS PARTICULAR PURCHASE WAS WRONG AND NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED. 
          THAT'S MY POSITION. I'VE I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER CITIES CLOSE, CLOSE BY TO US. TRY NOT TO NAME NAMES, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE BATTLING SOME THINGS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL WHEN, YOU KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL, I THINK SHOULD BE UP TO A STAFF MEMBER, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE PROTECTED BY THE LAW THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MISUSE PUBLIC FUNDS AND THAT THEY WOULD BE THERE TO UPHOLD THAT. THANK YOU. I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. SO I DID HAVE SOMETHING NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA THAT MIGHT BE A SOLUTION I WANT TO GET EVERYBODY. I'M NOT SURE WE'RE VOTING ON THIS. ARE WE VOTING ON THIS NOW OR NO? OH, BUT I THINK JUST IT WOULD BE, AS THEY DO CALL US, THE HONORABLE. YOU HOPE THAT WE ALL BE HONORABLE. AND THIS IS A GOVERNING BODY PER OUR CHARTER. AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE. AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN'T PUT STAFF IN THAT POSITION TO HAVE TO. ENFORCE THINGS ON THEIR SUPERIORS, I WOULD SAY, BECAUSE AT LEAST I'M IN A STICKY, 
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STICKY SITUATION. AND AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM. BUT I'M ENJOYING THE CONVERSATION AND I YIELD. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUES WERE SAYING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A MAJORITY, WHATEVER. IT'S JUST WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE THE CARD FOR AND WHAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE THE CARD FOR. AND LIKE I SAID, I MENTIONED BEFORE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO, AN ADMINISTRATOR, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WHO THAT PERSON WOULD BE, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO VET IT. THE WHOLE THING IS THAT APPARENTLY THE CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN VETTED, WHICH IS WHY PAYMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, CHARGES ARE MADE AND THEN AND THEN PAYMENTS ARE MADE. SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY IF WE ARE GOING TO STICK WITH THE CREDIT CARD. ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THE CARD WOULD BE A WHOLE LOT BETTER. BUT I MEAN, IF WE DO STICK WITH THIS, IT NEEDS TO BE VETTED. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF VETTING PROCESS IN PLACE. AND IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF, I MEAN, IF YOU MAKE A PURCHASE AND IF IT'S IF IT'S A LEGITIMATE PURCHASE, IT'S A LEGITIMATE PURCHASE, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IF SOMEBODY LIKES YOU OR IF WE THINK IT'S A GOOD, THIS IS A GOOD, THAT'S NOT IT. AND WHOEVER IT IS THAT VETS IT, THERE'S NO NO BLURRED LINES IN THERE. I MEAN IT'S EITHER LIKE I SAY IT'S A GOING A NO GO. AND IF IF THERE'S SORT OF QUESTION IF YOU CAN JUSTIFY IT THEN IT'S OKAY. BUT IF NOT THEN THEN THAT SHOULDN'T BE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T USE A CARD FOR. SO I THINK THE I THINK REALLY THE KIND OF ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THIS STUFF IF WE DID GO TO ANOTHER SYSTEM. BUT I MEAN, I KNOW WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT THAT WAS OUT BEFORE AND KIND OF DO SOME RESOLUTIONS ON THAT, BUT I THINK JUST MOVE. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU NOW IS WHAT IS OUR PROCESS TODAY MOVING FORWARD WITH REGARDS TO. 
          BECAUSE FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, EVERYBODY STILL DOES HAVE EVERYBODY STILL HAS A CREDIT CARD. SO MOVING FORWARD TODAY WHAT WHAT IS YOUR YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR WHAT IS AS FAR AS WHAT WHAT PEOPLE OTHER THAN WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO? I MEAN, WHAT WHAT IS YOUR PROCESS LIKE NOW? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE WE ASK THAT YOU PROVIDE RECEIPTS. OKAY. BUT BUT THERE'S A FORM THAT THE MAYOR MENTIONED THAT IS AVAILABLE TO EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO DO INSTEAD OF HAVING RECEIPTS. AND THAT REALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. BUT IT'S BECOME THE, THE RULE IF THE IF YOU WILL. THAT'S IT'S THE MAIN PRACTICE. WE GET MORE OF THOSE FORMS THAN YOU ACTUALLY GET RECEIPTS. AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE SITUATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND CERTAINLY THERE'S BEEN ABUSES ALONG THE WAY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S NOT REALLY WORKING. AND, AND, AND WE WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF AUDITORS OVER RECENT MONTHS TALK ABOUT US STRENGTHENING CONTROLS. MANY OF THEM SAY THAT THEY'RE WE'RE DOING BETTER. AND WHEN I SAY STRENGTHENING CONTROLS I MEAN INTERNAL CONTROLS. AND THAT REALLY IS GETTING TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, A PERSON WHO CAN GO THROUGH AND HOLD THESE THINGS ACCOUNTABLE AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES FINANCIAL SENSE BASED ON GFR AND, AND ICMA AND, AND ALL THOSE OTHER BARE STANDARDS. WE'RE WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THAT. SO PART OF THE THE INNER. INTRICACIES OF HAVING. WHAT USE IS IS APPROPRIATE. WHAT USE ISN'T IN IN MANY OF THE POLICIES I'VE SEEN, IT'S REAL CLEAR. IT'S TRAVEL AND IT'S SOMETHING DIRECTLY RELATED TO SOME ACTIVITY THAT IS NEEDED BY THE CITY. FOLKS CAN SAY, ANYTHING I'M DOING FOR THE CITY IS IS IS APPROPRIATE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE POLICY SAYS. SO HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT GET POLICED? IF I'M, IF I'M IF I AM TAKING A TAXI TO GO TO A CONSTITUENT TO PROVIDE SERVICES, DOES THAT COUNT? IF I'M BUYING PRINTER TONER FOR A HOME COMPUTER AND I DO CITY WORK ON ON THAT, DOES THAT COUNT? I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S BEEN ANYWHERE CLOSE TO VETTED OR ANYWHERE CLOSE IN THE POLICIES THAT I'VE SEEN. EVERYTHING'S BEEN VERY FOCUSED ON TRAVEL, AND SOMETHING MAYBE RELATED TO AWARD EVENT. SO THAT KIND OF 
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CONVERSATION, WHO'S WHO'S KEEPING UP WITH THAT. AND THAT TAKES TIME. THAT TAKES STAFF, THAT TAKES STRONG INTERNAL CONTROLS WHICH WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE REBUILDING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I, I WANT TO THROW IF, IF WE HAVE THOSE KIND OF POLICY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE WANTING TO HAVE ON WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE USES, MAYBE ALMOST LIKE A MORATORIUM WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, LET'S HOLD OFF ON THE CREDIT CARDS UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND THEN COME BACK AND, AND THEN RE REINSTITUTE THE CREDIT CARD POLICY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE. AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IF I'M QUESTIONING IT, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF UNDER ME FULLY HAS A GRASP OF WHAT IS ALLOWABLE AND WHAT'S NOT. AND I THINK THAT COULD BE ATTRIBUTING TO THE CONFUSION THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE POLICY. AND JUST TO KIND OF ADD ON TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I'M LOOKING AT MY COPY OF THE CREDIT CARD STATEMENT, OUR CREDIT CARD POLICY, AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT RECONCILIATION AND PAYMENT, IT SAYS AT THE CLOSE OF EACH BILLING CYCLE, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT MUST RECEIVE THE STATEMENT ALONG WITH THE PO AND ORIGINAL RECEIPTS. SO AND THEN THEY'VE GOT SOME OTHER STUFF ATTACHED AS ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION NECESSARY. THEN IT SAYS THIS DEPARTMENT, FINANCE DEPARTMENT WILL RECONCILE ALL NECESSARY RECEIPTS TO A MONTHLY STATEMENT OF ACCOUNTS. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY IT APPEARS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE VETTED IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. AND WHEN I SCROLL DOWN TO THE POLICY VIOLATIONS, IF THE CARDHOLDER FAILS TO RECONCILE HIS OR HER MONTHLY STATEMENTS IN A TIMELY MANNER, THE CITY MANAGER, UPON RECOMMENDATION FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, MAY SUSPEND ALL CARD PRIVILEGES. CONTINUED FAILURE TO FOLLOW THIS POLICY MAY RESULT IN LOSS OF CARDHOLDER PRIVILEGES AND MAY RESULT IN DISCIPLINARY ACTION, INCLUDING TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT. BUT. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE SIGNED OFF ON FOR THE CREDIT CARD. SO BUT I THINK BUT WITH THE THE VETTING PORTION OF IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. IF I'M NOT. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK I MENTIONED IS THAT BEST PRACTICES REQUIRE A SEPARATION BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION AND ELECTED OFFICIAL CARDS, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE READING SOUNDS LIKE MORE OF THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE THAT WE'RE FITTING ELECTED OFFICIALS IN. SO ONE OF THE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BOTH FROM I'M TRYING TO FIND WHERE I SAW THAT AT. YEAH. FOR GFOA AND ICMA, BOTH SAY WE SHOULD HAVE SEPARATE POLICIES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND A SEPARATE POLICY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. OKAY. SO AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY WE'RE OPERATING ALL OPERATING UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA. CORRECT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. YOU PUT STAFF IN THE MIDDLE, OKAY. THE CITY MANAGER NOR ANY OTHER STAFF PERSON SUPERVISES THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO IF THERE IS A YOU SHOULDN'T DO THIS AND THEY SAY I'M GOING TO DO IT, THAT'S NOT AT THE STAFF LEVEL. THE COUNCIL HAS TO ADDRESS THAT. AND THE STAFF HAS TO FEEL SUPPORTED THAT THERE IS A WAY TO ADDRESS IT. SO I THINK IT'S BOTH AND LIKE, YEAH, ITOM . 
          BUT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS A STAFF LEVEL. EVEN CITY MANAGER CALL FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT'S SOMETHING WE GOTTA DO. REMEMBER CUMMINGS. OH I'M. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU. AND GO BACK TO THE STAPLE PURCHASE. FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY GETS A COMMUNICATION BUDGET. HOME OFFICE. AND AND AT THE TIME, FORMER MAYOR PITTMAN WILL WILL TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE SHE USED HERS TO PRINT NEWSLETTERS. SO YOU GET A COMMUNICATION BUDGET WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PURCHASE ITEMS THAT'S RELATED TO COUNCIL. LIKE IF YOU NEED TO PRINT YOUR RECEIPT OR YOU NEED TO PRINT THE AGENDA, THAT IS YOUR THAT'S YOUR BUDGET. WHETHER YOU ARE PRINTING FLIERS TO PASS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S YOUR COMMUNICATION BUDGET. SO YES, YOU CAN PURCHASE TONER FOR YOUR PRINTER THAT YOU USE AS A COUNCIL PERSON. AND I WASN'T TRYING TO SINGLE YOU OUT, COUNCILWOMAN, I, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT'S A QUESTION THAT A POLICY DEBATE SHOULD HAPPEN AROUND BECAUSE I'M NOT CLEAR ON IT. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS 
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THAT NEED TO BE CLEARED UP IN A POLICY, BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT I SAW, TRAVEL AND SPECIFIC ITEMS RELATED TO, LIKE AN EVENT, THOSE KIND OF INCIDENTALS IS KIND OF A QUESTION FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE POLICY. NOW, WHEN YOU SAY EVENT, WHAT? LIKE A CITY ACTIVITY, CITY ACTIVITY. 
          CORRECT. SO YOU'RE PURCHASING STUFF FOR THE CITY EVENT THAT YOU'RE HAVING. CORRECT. AND I AND I WILL ALSO GO TO SAY THIS IS THIS IS A MINORITY IN CITIES. MOST CITIES ARE ABLE TO DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING ANY CREDIT CARDS. AND A LOT OF THAT TIME THEY THEY MAKE THOSE REQUESTS OF STAFF AND STAFF JUST MAKES THOSE PURCHASES. SO YOU WOULD RATHER FOR STAFF TO PURCHASE ALL OF THE STUFF THAT'S NEEDED FOR WHATEVER EVENT THAT'S GOING ON? CERTAINLY THAT'S HOW IT WORKS IN, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. SO THEN IS STAFF GOING TO HAVE THE CREDIT CARD LIMIT TO MAKE THOSE PURCHASES. BECAUSE REMEMBER THEY'RE THEY'RE NINE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO BE DESIGNATED TO DO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THE MAJORITY OF CITIES MAKE IT WORK. SO BUT AND AND SOME OF THOSE ARE REALLY PREMIER COMMUNITIES. 
          NO NO NO NO. WE'LL STAFF HAVE THE CREDIT LIMIT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS BODY AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. IN NOVEMBER THERE'S TWO TURKEY DRIVES. SO WE'LL STAFF HAVE THE CAPABILITY AND THE CREDIT LIMIT TO DO THAT. THE ANSWER IS YES OKAY. WELL THEN IF IF THEIR CREDIT LIMIT IS GOING TO BE RAISED TO TO DO THAT THAT'S FINE. CAN CAN I I JUST WANT TO JUST ALSO FINISH THAT. THIS IS PRIME FOR UTILIZING PURCHASE ORDERS. LIKE IF YOU HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE YOU PURCHASE ORDERS TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF CHARGES OKAY. BUT YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T USE YOU CAN'T DO PURCHASE ORDERS TO ORDER FROM AMAZON OR TO GET THOSE THINGS. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE WEEDS OF IF AMAZON HAS SOLE RIGHTS OF EVERY PARTICULAR ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED, THERE MIGHT BE MULTIPLE PLACES THAT YOU CAN BUY PURCHASE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SAY YOU CAN USE PURCHASE ORDERS TO ORDER OFF OF THINGS LIKE AMAZON. SO IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE LAST MINUTE. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THOSE APPROPRIATE PURCHASES. WE DO IT ALL THE TIME. SO THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SO EACH PERSON IS GOING TO GET AN ACCOUNT SET UP TO DO A PURCHASE ORDER. BECAUSE I MEAN I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH A PURCHASE ORDER WITH AMAZON. THE ONLY WAY I KNOW YOU UTILIZE AMAZON IS THROUGH CREDIT CARD. SO I'M GOING TO LOOK AT AMAZON TO SEE IF A PURCHASE ORDER CAN BE DONE. IF THAT'S SO THEN HEY THAT'S FINE. THAT WORKS BEST. AND IF IF YOU'RE GOING TO UTILIZE IF STAFF IS GOING TO INCREASE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THEIR CREDIT LIMIT TO ACCOMMODATE OR TO DO THOSE THINGS, THEN THAT'S FINE. AND WHAT STAFF WILL BE DESIGNATED BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY CLERK HANDLES COUNCIL'S ITEMS. OKAY. AND SO SO I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER. I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL BECAUSE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, I THINK, ADDRESSES A RECOMMENDATION AROUND THIS AS WELL THAT WE CAN SEGUE INTO. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO AT LEAST EVEN IF AT ALL, IF IT'S BRIEF DISCUSSION ON THE TRAVEL POLICY TONIGHT AS WELL. AND THEN WE HAVE GRIEVANCE AND WHISTLE BLOWER POLICY AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST. COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER. YES. SO A COUPLE THINGS. THE FIRST THING I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS SILLY TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE TONER AND THINGS AT STAPLES, BUT STAPLES IS KIND OF A PREMIER COMPANY. AND THERE'S NORMALLY PLACE I MEAN, I AT LEAST I WOULD HAVE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S A PLACE THAT GOVERNMENT AGENCY CAN GO TO BUY OFFICE SUPPLIES CHEAPER. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, THEN WE WE REALLY NEED TO EXPLORE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH SOMETHING 
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LIKE TONER, BECAUSE TONER IS VERY EXPENSIVE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE CLERK IS NOT IN SHE IS NOT AN EVENT PLANNER. THAT IS NOT HER ROLE. HER ROLE IS TO BE A CITY CLERK, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL POSITIONS IN THE CITY. AND THAT IS NOT TO BE AN EVENT PLANNER. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THESE EVENTS AND THINGS WITHOUT HER BEING THE PRIMARY CONTACT, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF HER TIME OR IT'S REALLY INAPPROPRIATE. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, TO THE CREDIT CARD POLICY, YOU KNOW, AMAZON, IT IT IS A USEFUL RESOURCE IN TIMES OF EMERGENCIES, BUT IT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE THE FIRST THING THAT WE GO TO, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME EVERY YEAR, LIKE TURKEY DRIVES FOR THANKSGIVING. I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE COMING UP AHEAD OF TIME. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PLAN SO THAT WE CAN SPEND THESE TAX DOLLARS AND RESPONSIBLE WAY. SO THEN WE CAN YOU WE CAN EXPEND THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY POSSIBLE SO WE CAN DO EVEN MORE EVENTS. I MEAN, I SHOULDN'T SAY MORE EVENTS, BUT WE CAN DO MORE THINGS WITH THE MONEY. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF TAILORED INTO CITY CREDIT CARDS, BUT ALSO LIKE HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE REALLY USING OUR PUBLIC DOLLARS TO, TO DO GOOD IN THE CITY. AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITIES ON THINGS LIKE OFFICE SUPPLIES WHEN EVERYBODY NEEDS OFFICE SUPPLIES. WE THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF AN EFFORT TO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF WOULD BE LIKE THE SENDING OUT AN EMAIL LIKE, HEY, WE'RE ORDERING SUPPLIES NOW. WHAT DO YOU NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I KNOW THAT THAT HAPPENS WHERE I WORK. 
          THERE'S THIS MASS EMAIL THAT GOES OUT. WHAT DO YOU NEED? WE'RE ORDERING RIGHT NOW AND YOU HAVE UNTIL THIS DEADLINE OR YOU'RE GOING TO MISS OUT. AND AND THEN THAT'S HOW, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE BEST PRICE ON THINGS BECAUSE WE ORDER THINGS IN BULK. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. SO A COUPLE THINGS BEFORE I GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL. IF A MORATORIUM IS PUT IN PLACE, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S TRAVELING TO NLC NEXT MONTH, BUT THAT WOULD CREATE A CHALLENGE FOR HOTELS THAT HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN SECURED. I HAVE WORKED IN ORGANIZATIONS WITH PCAS. I'VE WORKED IN ORGANIZATIONS WITH CREDIT CARDS. I'VE WORKED IN ORGANIZATIONS THAT PAID FOR MY TRAVEL BEFORE I GOT THERE, SO I DIDN'T NEED A CARD BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY FULLY PAID. THERE IS OFTEN WHEN YOU STAY IN PLACES THOUGH INCIDENTAL, LIKE A CHARGE PER NIGHT, RIGHT? BUT LIKE, I'M OPEN TO EXPLORING ALL OF IT, BUT I FEEL THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT STAFF NOT BE PUT IN THE POSITION TO SOLELY BE THE DETERMINER OF WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN. YES, FOR 95 OR PLUS 95 PLUS PERCENT OF ALL OF THIS STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH, CHECK, VERIFY IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A BAR RECEIPT OR A RESTAURANT RECEIPT. IT'S PROVIDED. IF NOT, IF IT'S NOT PROVIDED, STAFF CALLS THE ESTABLISHMENT TO TRY TO GET A COPY OF THE RECEIPT BASED UPON THE CREDIT CARD. I MEAN, THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? IF THAT FAILS, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T BE PUTTING STAFF IN THIS POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION THAT THIS IS QUOTE UNQUOTE, ABUSE OR MISUSE. THEY DON'T SUPERVISE US. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO I THINK ALL OF WHAT HAS BEEN SHARED IS HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. JONES. BUT THERE'S PROBABLY A HYBRID OF A NUMBER OF THESE THINGS, RIGHT. 
          IT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE TO COME TO US IF WE ARE SPENDING AN HOUR PLUS AT EVERY MEETING TALKING ABOUT CREDIT CARD. I MEAN, WHERE'S THE PUBLIC TRUST EVEN IN THAT? RIGHT? THE THEY SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ONLINE. I SAID WE SHOULD GO BACK TEN, 15 YEARS, PUT ALL OF THEM OUT THERE LIKE FINE, SO PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO IT. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A PROCESS THAT MAKES SURE THIS WORKS, WE CANNOT PUT THAT ON STAFF. IT'S NOT BEEN WORKING, PUTTING IT ON STAFF. IT'S NOT. SO I MEAN, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BRIDGE THOSE GAPS. I KNOW IN PREVIOUS EITHER BUDGET, YEAR OR YEARS, COUNCIL APPROVED ALLOCATION OF FUNDING THAT WOULD AMOUNT TO COVERING EITHER PART TIME STAFF PERSON OR A CONTRACTOR TO BE ABLE TO WORK 
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WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY TO PROVIDE THE SUPPORT. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, I THINK IT'S ON THE CITY CLERK, ON THE THE WEB PAGE FOR THE CITY CLERK FOR THE CITY. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT BEING A SUPPORT STAFF PERSON, ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON FOR COUNCIL, BUT MAYBE THAT'S TOO MUCH, ALONG WITH THE OTHER CHARTER REQUIREMENTS OF MAINTAINING RECORDS AND OPEN RECORDS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND I THINK THAT MONEY IS STILL IN EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT WITHIN YOUR, QUOTE UNQUOTE, OFFICE FOR EACH WARD TO BE ABLE TO HELP. AND THIS COULD BE ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON HELPS ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE MANPOWER HOURS REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONALLY DEALS WITH. 95% PLUS OF ALL OF THIS. AND BUT WHEN THERE IS AN ISSUE OF THE POLICY, NEEDS TO MAKE CLEAR WHAT GETS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL SO THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT IT'S COMING. RIGHT. AND NOT THAT WE'RE MAKING ONE PERSON OR STAFF BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL, IS THIS THE SAME ITEM OR IF NOT, I'LL JUST WAIT TILL WE YOU CAN GO INTO YOUR ITEM EIGHT DEALS WITH CREDIT CARD. SO I'M COMBINING SIX AND EIGHT. 
          AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A REPORT FROM THE CITY CLERK. I THINK THAT'S WHAT NUMBER SEVEN IS. DID YOU HAVE GET A CHANCE? I WAS GOING TO PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN. I'M NOT SURE IF IF YOU GOT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE? YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT NUMBER SEVEN. OH, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A REPORT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS. 
          THIS IS A CREDIT CARD. PAYMENTS, REIMBURSEMENTS AND REPORTING. AND NEVER MIND. YOU WERE EXPECTING SOME KIND OF REPORT OR INFORMATION TO BE COMPILED FOR THIS ITEM. WE. YEAH, THERE ARE THE TWO TRAVEL TOGETHER. YES. SO THERE WAS AND I DID WANT IT TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THE CREDIT CARD POLICY. BUT THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'VE GOT BUDGETED ITEMS FOR EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR MANAGING THAT? I ALSO HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT CURRENTLY, WHAT ARE OUR LIMITS ON CREDIT CARDS? I HAVE SEEN MY OWN STATEMENT THAT HAS A LIMIT OF 4000. I'VE SEEN MY STATEMENT THAT HAS A LIMIT OF 5000. I'VE HEARD OF OTHER STATEMENTS WHERE THE LIMITS ARE GREATER. SO JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IS OUR POLICY AROUND THAT? HOW ARE WE MANAGING THAT? HOW WE'RE MANAGING AGAINST OUR VARIOUS INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STAYING WITHIN WHAT THIS BODY HAS APPROVED FOR OUR SPENDING? SO I THINK WHAT WHAT WAS YOU WANTED SOME INFORMATION THAT FOR THE CLERK TO COMPILE. RIGHT. WAS IT A SPREADSHEET? IT WAS SOMETHING I THINK YOU WERE REFERRING TO SOME TYPE OF RECONCILIATION SPREADSHEET OR ACCOUNTING OF SOME SORT. IF I RECALL, KEISHA SAID SHE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SHE WAS GOING TO PRESENT IT. THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SHE DID SAY THAT SHE KEEPS TRACK OF THOSE THINGS. AND SO I DID ASK FOR THAT TO BE A PART OF THE PRESENTATION. DID SHE GIVE THAT TO YOU? SO DO YOU WANT IT ON MONDAY? YES. IF WE COULD HAVE IT AS A PART OF THE MONDAY PRESENTATION FOR COUNCIL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. YES. AND SO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY CLERK IS CLEAR THAT IT IS A PRESENTATION ON HOW SHE CURRENTLY RECONCILES CREDIT CARD AND OTHER EXPENDITURES FOR COUNCIL. YEP. AGAINST OUR INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK MITCHELL, THE ORDINANCE IS UP. YES. OKAY. SO I THINK I GAVE EVERYBODY A COPY ON COUNCIL. 
          [III.8. Discussion and Possible Action on the Adoption of an Ordinance to Establish a Transparency and Financial Oversight Policy for Mayor and Council Expenditures and to Form the Council Expenditures Oversight Committee]
MR. REDMOND, DID YOU GET ONE? OKAY, COOL. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS AN ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH A TRANSPARENCY AND FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT POLICY FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL EXPENDITURES AND TO FORM THE COUNCIL EXPENDITURE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO DRAFT THIS ORDINANCE, BECAUSE I RECOGNIZED THAT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE OFTEN STRUGGLE WITH THE TRUE DEFINITION, TRUE DEFINITION OF SELF-GOVERNING BODY. WHILE WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL RULES IN PLACE, I BELIEVE WHAT'S MISSING IS THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE. THAT'S THE PART THAT ACTUALLY ENSURES THE RULES TO FOLLOW. SO IN THE PAST WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RELIED ON STAFF WHO ARE TECHNICALLY SOMEWHAT OUR SUBORDINATES TO ENFORCE POLICIES THAT APPLY TO US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT'S FAIR TO THEM, NOR IS IT CONSISTENT WITH HOW A SELF-GOVERNING BODY SHOULD OPERATE. I GENUINELY BELIEVE THAT WE, AS COUNCIL 
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MEMBERS, MUST HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE, JUST AS THE CHARTER INTENDED. THIS ORDINANCE REFLECTS THAT. BELIEF BY CREATING OVERSIGHT. CONSISTENCY, CONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT, AND A STRUCTURE THAT PROMOTES TRANSPARENCY AND INTEGRITY IN HOW WE MANAGE FUNDS. SO FIRST, I'LL START WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT. SO THIS ORDINANCE REINFORCES OUR COMMITMENT TO TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY AND ETHICAL SPENDING OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 
          IT ENSURES THAT EVERY DOLLAR SPENT BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL IS PROPERLY DOCUMENTED, REVIEWED, JUSTIFIED AND JUSTIFIED. THE GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND REBUILD TRUST AND REBUILD PUBLIC TRUST. SO HOW SO? I PROBABLY CAN'T SCROLL, BUT HOW WAS IT CREATED? SO THIS ORDINANCE ESTABLISHED A THREE MEMBER COUNCIL, WHICH SHALL BE COMPOSED OF THREE VOTING MEMBERS. ALL MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE SHALL BE NOMINATED AND CONFIRMED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF EASTPOINTE COUNCIL. THE COMMITTEE INDEPENDENTLY REVIEWS MAYOR AND COUNCIL SPENDING, CONDUCTS MONTHLY AUDITS, AND RECOMMENDS CORRECTIVE ACTIONS WHEN NEEDED. NEXT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE MONTHLY AUDITS. SO I'M PROPOSING THAT MONTHLY AUDIT SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED FOR ALL MAYOR AND COUNCIL CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS, PROVIDING ONGOING OVERSIGHT AND ENSURING TIMELY CORRECTION OF ANY IRREGULARITY. ANYTHING THAT'S IRREGULAR. NEXTLY IF POSSIBLE. IF WE HAVE A PREPAYMENT VERIFICATION BEFORE ANY CITY, CREDIT CARD BILLS ARE PAID, THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MUST VERIFY THAT EACH TRANSACTION IS VALID AND SUPPORT AND SUPPORTED BY RECEIPTS TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY BEFORE PUBLIC FUNDS ARE DISBURSED. THEN IT WAS KIND OF A GRADUATED PENALTY FOR MISUSE OR MISSING RECEIPTS. SO THE FIRST EVENT, THE FIRST OFFENSE, I HAVE A WRITTEN WARNING AND REPAYMENT. SECOND OFFENSE I HAVE REPAYMENT AND 30 DAY SUSPENSION OF THE CREDIT CARD. 
          PRIVILEGE OF PRIVILEGES. THIRD OFFENSE I HAVE REPAYMENTS AND 120 DAY SUSPENSION OF CREDIT CARD PRIVILEGES. CONTINUED OR INTENTIONAL MISUSE MAY RESULT IN PERMANENT YOUR CARD BEING PERMANENTLY TAKEN AWAY PRIVILEGES OR BEING TAKEN AWAY, AND FURTHER ACTIONS. SO, IN SHORT, THIS COMMITTEE WILL ONE CONDUCT QUARTERLY REVIEWS OF MAYOR AND COUNCIL EXPENDITURES TO EXAMINE ALL FINANCIAL ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING CREDIT CARD USES, REIMBURSEMENTS, DISCRETIONARY SPENDING, AND BUDGET COMPLIANCE. THREE VERIFY ALL CREDIT CARD PURCHASES MADE BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS PRIOR TO PAYMENT BY THE CITY TO ENSURE THE VALIDITY AND APPROPRIATENESS OF EACH TRANSACTION. FOUR CONDUCT A MONTHLY AUDIT OF ALL MAJOR I'M SORRY OF ALL MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CREDIT CARD STATEMENTS TO ENSURE ACCURACY, COMPLETENESS AND COMPLIANCE WITH CITY POLICY. FIVE REVIEW CONTRACT AWARDS AND PROCUREMENT RECORDS AS OUTLINED SIX. SUBMIT QUARTERLY REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL AND MAKE THEM PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, AND SEVEN RECOMMEND POLICY OR PROCEDURAL CHANGES TO STRENGTHEN FISCAL OVERSIGHT AND THE PUBLIC. SO I JUST REALLY THINK THE ISSUE WE'RE HAVING NOW IS SO ONCE WE DO WELL, ONCE THIS NOTICE THAT THERE IS A VIOLATION, WE HAVE NO ACTUAL WAY OF ENFORCING THESE RULES. 
          SO I'M THINKING AS US BEING A SELF-GOVERNING BODY, WE COULD ALL KIND OF CHOOSE WHO WE WANT TO ENFORCE IT. SO EVEN IN THAT WAY, IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING UP OR THIS DOESN'T, THAT WE WILL HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT WE ALL ELECT UP HERE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. 
          AND I STILL THINK AS WE WERE JUST LISTENING, I STILL THINK STAFF CAN, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH OUR REPORTS OR WHATNOT. IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, THEY CAN BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THEM HAVING TO ENFORCE SOME TYPE OF RULE. SO I CAN SEE WE CAN USE BOTH. BUT YEAH. SO I THINK YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU. THIS IS MY SECOND DRAFT, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER YES, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL THERE ARE A TON OF NUGGETS IN HERE THAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF CREATING GUARDRAILS FOR THIS BODY AND FOR EXPENDITURES. OVERALL, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION AND THEN SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. SO FOR SECTION ONE PURPOSE AND THIS WOULD BE 
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THE SAME QUESTION FOR SECTION ONE AND SECTION TWO. THE PHRASE REGULAR REVIEW I THINK COULD BE GENERAL. SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MONTHLY REVIEWS? QUARTERLY REVIEWS? I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, BECAUSE REGULAR REVIEWS TO ONE PERSON COULD MEAN SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO ANOTHER PERSON. SO THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS ABOUT SECTIONS ONE AND TWO. SECTION THREE, SECOND SECTION, SECOND PARAGRAPH. IT SPEAKS TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WITH WHOM THE COMMITTEE MAY CONSULT, AND THE CITY MANAGER IS NOT LISTED IN THAT. WAS THAT AN OVERSIGHT OR WAS THAT INTENTIONAL FOR HOLD ON. SINCE THE COMMITTEE MAY CONSULT WITH THE SECTION THREE, A SECOND PARAGRAPH. OH I'M SORRY. SAYS THE COMMITTEE MAY CONSULT WITH THE EASTPOINTE FINANCE DIRECTOR, CITY ATTORNEY OR EXTERNAL, BUT IT COMPLETELY LEAVES OUT THE CITY MANAGER. GOTCHA. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO SAY FOR THE FIRST ONE, IF YOU LOOK SECTION C NUMBER FOUR, I THINK IT CLARIFIES, IT SAYS CONDUCT A MONTHLY AUDIT OF ALL MAYOR. I KNOW IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BROAD IN THE PURPOSE, BUT NUMBER FOUR, OKAY, SO SORRY. OKAY. SO NUMBER THREE SEE NUMBER FOUR CONDUCT A MONTHLY AUDIT OF ALL MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER OKAY OKAY. SO THAT IS WHAT THE REGULAR REVIEW WOULD IN ESSENCE BE MONTHLY. YEAH I WANTED I KIND OF WANT WE CAN DO MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY. SO WE CAN DO AN OVERALL MONTH TO MONTH AND THEN PROBABLY DO IT FOUR TIMES A YEAR. OKAY. AND JUST TO GET AN OVERALL PICTURE, OKAY. IN THAT SAME SECTION NUMBER TWO IT TALKS ABOUT CREDIT CARD USAGE REIMBURSEMENT, DISCRETIONARY SPENDING AND BUDGET COMPLIANCE. I ALSO THOUGHT THAT PER DIEM PAYMENTS. MAY FIT IN THAT CATEGORY BECAUSE WE DO RECEIVE PER DIEM PAYMENTS. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A PART OF THE OVERALL, PARTICULARLY FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING AGAINST THAT $12,000. OKAY. NUMBER THREE WAS ONE THAT I HAVE CHALLENGE WITH BECAUSE IT SAYS TO VERIFY ALL CREDIT CARD PURCHASES MADE BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PRIOR TO PAYMENT. MY CONCERN IS THAT IF THESE IF IT TAKES LONG TO DO IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ASSESSED LATE FEES BY THE I WAS THAT'S ACTUALLY I DID HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I WASN'T REALLY SURE HOW THE I MEAN IDEALLY WE WOULD VERIFY BEFORE WE PAY IT OUT, BUT I KNOW FROM WHAT I WAS HEARING, IT COMES IN 30 DAYS LATER. RIGHT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF WE'RE IF YOU GOTTA HAVE IF YOU'RE CREATING A BODY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUORUM. SO IF YOU IF THERE ARE TIMES WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE QUORUMS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LATE FEES AND INTEREST CHARGES. SO THAT WAS THE THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE WITH NUMBER THREE IS THAT IF WE HAVE TO DO THIS, IF THE COMMITTEE HAS TO DO IT EVERY MONTH, AND FOR SOME REASON THEY DON'T HAVE A QUORUM OR THEY DON'T MEET, THEN NONPAYMENT OF THE THE BILL WILL RESULT IN LATE FEES AND INTEREST CHARGES. SO I THINK I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS THAT THINGS ARE GETTING PAID OUT ANYWAY. SO IT MIGHT BE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO TAKE THAT HIT THAN PAY OUT ALL THIS STUFF. I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN, I TAKE A HIT, BUT HOWEVER THAT COULD BE STRUCTURED. BUT I THINK THE, THE ISSUE IS NOW THAT WE'RE PAYING THIS STUFF OUT BEFORE IT'S VERIFIED, AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO VERIFY WHATEVER THAT PROCESS MAY LOOK LIKE, BUT JUST PAYING OUT STUFF BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, WHAT IF IT'S A ILLEGAL PURCHASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND THEN I MEAN, BUT YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH ALL OF THIS IS US ONCE, ONCE WE SEE IT, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHO PAID FOR THAT OR WHO PAID IT OUT? OR YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. IF WE CAN SOMEHOW COME UP WITH A FORMULA TO VERIFY BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS PAID, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST STRATEGIES AND ALL OF THIS. BUT I'M BUT I'M OPEN. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THAT WAS JUST ONE. I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO WORK ON A LITTLE MORE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ADOPT A POLICY THAT'S GOING TO PUT US IN POSITION TO INCUR COSTS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS. ALSO, LATE FEES AND INTEREST CHARGES. AND FOR NUMBER FOUR, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MADAM ATTORNEY, IT TALKS ABOUT CITY POLICY. BUT I WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD STATE, CITY AND STATE POLICY, BECAUSE I KNOW THE 
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STATE HAS SOME REGULATIONS AROUND THE USE OF FUNDS RELATED TO CREDIT CARD EXPENDITURES. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY SECTION THREE, C NUMBER FOUR. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. CITY, STATE, CITY. STATE. 
          FEDERAL POLICY LAWS LIKE. YEAH. INCLUDING ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT WOULD BE ADDED OKAY OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT. AND THEN A PART OF THIS HERE IS THE CONDUCT. SO WHEN WE USE THE TERM AUDIT I THINK ARE YOU USING THE TERM LOOSELY. BECAUSE I WOULD THINK AN AUDIT FOR THESE PURPOSES I ALWAYS THINK OF PROFESSIONAL AUDITORS. RIGHT. SO ARE WE USING THE TERM AUDIT LOOSELY. SO IF SO THEN CONDUCT MAYBE APPROPRIATE. BUT IF WE ARE MAYBE WE ARE FACILITATING THE AUDIT OR OVERSEEING THE AUDIT OR SOMETHING. BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT AUDIT. I MEAN IT'S KIND OF LIKE A IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A FRIEND. I WANT TO SAY IT'S NOT A FORENSIC AUDIT, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING. SO WE GO BACK. OH OKAY. SO WE CAN SAY A RECONCILIATION OR REVIEW OKAY. YEAH. IS THE MAKER OF THE ORDINANCE. I'M, I'M OKAY WITH EITHER RECONCILIATION OR REVIEW. BUT WHEN I HEAR AUDIT, I THINK OF LIKE PROFESSIONALS WHO WOULD DO THAT. I MEAN, IT'S NO, I'M SORRY, IT'S STILL NUMBER FOUR. IT'S THE VERY FIRST WORD CONDUCT. RIGHT. BECAUSE WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IS THIS. BUT IF WE'RE NOT A BODY THAT HAS A PROFESSIONAL AUDITOR ON IT, ARE WE REALLY CONDUCTING THE AUDIT OR ARE WE OVERSEEING IT, FACILITATING OR INITIATING IT? I WOULD THAT INCLUDE PAYMENT TO RECONCILE. SO I KNOW I MEAN, WHEN I SAY AUDIT, IT'S BASICALLY LIKE THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS TO AUDIT MEANS I'M GOING BACK THROUGH. AND NO I THINK YOU MEAN OKAY. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. THAT'S FINE. 
          CHARGING PAYMENT. BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING PAYMENTS. SO OKAY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. AND THEN THE ONLY ONE, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS SECTION SEVEN. IT TALKS ABOUT THIS IS ABOUT PENALIZATION THAT THE PROCESS SHALL BE REFERRED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY MANAGER FOR CORRECTIVE ACTION, WHICH MAY INCLUDE REIMBURSEMENT, ADMINISTRATIVE DISCIPLINE OR REFERRAL TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. I DON'T THINK THAT AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY MANAGER CAN. LEVY DISCIPLINE OR ADMINISTRATIVE DISCIPLINE ON US, I WOULD SAY SO. SO SAY
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