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[I. MEETING CALLED TO ORDER]

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NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING OF THE EASTPOINTE CITY COUNCIL. MADAM CITY CLERK, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

COUNCIL SHROPSHIRE. COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCILMEMBER. ATKINS. PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER.

ZIEGLER. COUNCILMEMBER. CUMMINGS. COUNCILMEMBER. MITCHELL. PRESENT.

COUNCILMEMBER. BUTLER. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER. ROGERS. PRESENT. MAYOR. HOLIDAY. INGRAM. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S SEE. WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING FOR THE INVOCATION.

IT'S NOT ON MY AGENDA. COME ON UP. COME ON UP YOU BE YOU ALSO READY? JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR ME. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS REVEREND SHARPE. I AM AN ASSOCIATE MINISTER AT VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH IN EAST POINT, GEORGIA. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, REVEREND SHARPE. WITH VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH, EAST POINT, GEORGIA, WILL PROVIDE OUR INVITATION. OUR LORD, OH, LORD OUR GOD. WE THANK YOU. WE CALL UPON YOU THIS EVENING. WE ASK THAT YOU REST, RULE AND ABIDE OVER THIS MEETING SO THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS DONE AND SET HERE WILL HONOR YOU, AND THAT IT WILL BENEFIT THE PEOPLE OF EAST POINT. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE, AND WE THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. WE GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE, THE HONOR AND THE GLORY. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN. AMEN.

PLEASE, THANK.

[V. ANNOUNCEMENT OF SERGEANT-AT-ARMS - Capt. Robinson]

OUR SERGEANT AT ARMS. THIS EVENING WILL BE CAPTAIN ROBINSON. THANK YOU SO

[VI. ADOPTION OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA]

MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. THIS TIME. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE COUNCIL AGENDA? SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL YES, SO WE DID HAVE A LATE ADDITION TO THE AGENDA TODAY, AND I HAVE SOME PROCEDURAL CONCERNS. THIS ITEM WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA JUST THREE HOURS AGO. DID NOT GO THROUGH THROUGH A WORK SESSION AS REQUIRED UNDER RULE 15 OF OUR COUNCIL RULES. MAJORITY MAJOR POLICY DECISIONS, ESPECIALLY THOSE INVOLVING LEGAL AUTHORITY FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS REQUIRE PROPER VETTING, LEGAL REVIEW AND THE TIME FOR STAFF TO TO PUBLICLY PROPERLY VET THAT. SO FOR THE RECORD, RULE 15 IS COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY PLACE AN ITEM ON AGENDA PROVIDED THE ITEM HAS FIRST BEEN TO A WORK SESSION. PRIOR REPRESENTED THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AT A COUNCIL MEETING AND ALL ASSOCIATED PAPERWORK ASSOCIATED SUBMITTED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE BY THE ESTABLISHED DEADLINE. AND WHICH AGENDA ITEM ARE YOU REFERRING TO? I BELIEVE THIS IS. NUMBER EIGHT. NUMBER WHAT? EIGHT? EIGHT. SO I WASN'T AWARE THAT THE ITEM WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA AS WELL, BUT IT IS ADDED AS A PRESENTATION, OKAY. AND NOT NECESSARILY AN AGENDA ITEM. IF THERE IS A DESIRE OR AT ANY POINT WE GET TO TALKING ABOUT THAT AGENDA, THAT PRESENTATION. THEN WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL TAKES ANY ACTION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THAT TIME, BUT IT'S NOT ADDED TO THE AGENDA. YOU'RE RIGHT. RULE 15 DOES DEAL WITH THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. GOTCHA. BUT GENERALLY PRESENTATIONS ARE KIND OF JUST ADDED. SO THANKS FOR THAT. HEADS UP. AND WHEN WE GET TO IT, THE PRESENTATION ABOUT IT. I KNOW THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN ENDED THE DAY BEFORE THIS AIRED, SO I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA? MADAM MAYOR? YES, I SPOKE WITH YOLANDA JOHNSON THIS AFTERNOON AND SHE STATED THAT FOR NUMBER SIX, THE SENIOR INSURANCE ENROLLMENT, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY TO DO THE PRESENTATION. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO WET THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY TO DO THE PRESENTATION. SO DID SHE INDICATE HER SPONSORS THAT WERE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT? DID SHE INDICATE A DATE SHE DID

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NOT KNOW. OKAY. SO WE CAN JUST REMOVE AGAIN THAT'S THE A PRESENTATION AND NOT TECHNICALLY IN THE AGENDA SECTION. BUT WE IT CAN BE REMOVED AND THEY CAN PLACE IT BACK ON AT WHENEVER THE PRESENTERS ARE AVAILABLE. OKAY. ANY FURTHER. SO. THE SENIOR INSURANCE ENROLLMENT IS LISTED AS A PRESENTATION. BUT JUST AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION. A PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA STAFF IS INDICATING THAT THAT ITEM IS NOT READY.

AND I'LL JUST SAY CLEARLY, FOR THE RECORD, AGENDA ITEMS WOULD BE EITHER IN CONSENT OR IN THE AGENDA ITEM SECTION. AND SO SINCE THAT'S ABOVE THE LINE AND MR. JONES IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS A STAFF ITEM THAT YOU LIKE THAT ITEM, THE PRESENTATION PULLED FOR THIS EVENING. FORGIVE ME MAYOR, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET SITUATED. COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT ITEM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? ITEM NUMBER SIX. YES. THAT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. OKAY, SO YOU'RE PULLING THAT ITEM FROM THE PRESENTATION LIST? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SO THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. JUST ITEMS UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA. AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

[VII. APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MINUTES]

NEXT UP IS THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL. MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 3RD REGULAR MEETING OF THE EAST POINT CITY COUNCIL. IS THERE A MOTION? SECOND MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. NEXT UP IS THE PUBLIC

[VIII.1. P2025rz-003-08Rezoning Request for Property Located at 0 Headland Drive From R-1 Single Family Residential Zoning District to R-3 Multi Family Residential Zoning District With Concurrent Variance (0.73 +/- Acres) (PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED)]

HEARING. AND THESE ARE TWO ZONING ITEMS. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR SOLICITOR, WHO'S STANDING IN FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO READ THE ZONING PUBLIC HEARING ROOM, PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES BEFORE ADOPTING ANY CHANGE TO THE ZONING MAPS OR TEXT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WHERE A RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE ON THE PETITION. PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE CONDUCTED AS FOLLOWS.

SUBSECTION A THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL CALL FOR A MOTION TO OPEN AND CLOSE THE HEARING.

SUBSECTION B THE PRESIDING OFFICER OR HIS HER DESIGNEE WILL INTRODUCE THE PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENT BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. STAFF WILL THEN BE CALLED UPON TO PRESENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND SUMMARIZE THE STAFF'S WRITTEN REPORT.

SUBSECTION C PERSONS BOTH FAVORING AND OPPOSING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL THEN BE PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT, FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, OR APPLICANTS DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE, IF ANY, WILL BE ENTITLED TO SPEAK FIRST, FOLLOWED BY OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL FOR A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES. THOSE WHO OPPOSE THE PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENT WILL THEN BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK FOR A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES BY MAJORITY VOTE. THE COUNCIL MAY INCREASE THE TOTAL TIME FOR SPEAKERS, PROVIDED THAT EACH SIDE IS GIVEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE SPEAKER FOR A SIDE, THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY LIMIT THE TIME ALLOTTED TO EACH INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER. OTHER THAN THE ZONING APPLICANT, THE ZONING APPLICANT MAY RESERVE A PORTION OF HIS ALLOTTED TIME FOR REBUTTAL. SUBSECTION D SPEAKERS MUST ADHERE TO RULES OF DECORUM. SPEAKING. PRIOR TO SPEAKING, EACH SPEAKER SHOULD IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR HERSELF AND STATE HIS OR HER CURRENT ADDRESS. EACH SPEAKER SHALL SPEAK ONLY TO THE MERITS OF THE PROPOSED ZONING DECISION. UNDER CONSIDERATION SHALL ADDRESS REMARKS ONLY TO THE COUNCIL, AND SHALL REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANY OTHER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY REFUSE A SPEAKER THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE. IF, AFTER BEING AFTER FIRST BEING CAUTIONED, THE SPEAKER CONTINUES TO VIOLATE THE RULES OF DECORUM. WE GET A MOTION TO OPEN THE

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PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING REZONING REQUEST FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE FROM R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO R-3 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH A CONCURRENT VARIANCE. IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED THAT WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE OVERVIEW. PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. I WILL HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY PLANNING GIVE US WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND FELLOW COUNCIL, KIMBERLY SMITH, PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. AND WE ALSO HAVE WITH US MR. LEE KELLY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM.

PROPERTY LOCATED AT ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE, CASE NUMBER 202500308. THE APPLICANT IS LETICIA JOHNSON. THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.73 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A REZONING FROM R-1 SINGLE FAMILY TO R-3 MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WITH A CONCURRENT VARIANCE FROM SECTION TEN DASH 2065 E SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM 6FT TO 3FT.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. TYPICAL ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOWED IN THIS AREA FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS II, WHICH IS OUR EDUCATIONAL, INSTITUTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT, R-3, WHICH IS OUR MULTIFAMILY AND C-1 MIXED USE AND OUR COMMERCIAL. REDEVELOPMENT, OUR ZONING DISTRICT. THIS ALLOWS FOR A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND HIGH DENSITY HOUSING. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF HEADLAND AND RIDGECREST. AS FAR AS DENSITY IS CONCERNED, THE PROPERTY HAS A TOTAL LAND AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 0.73 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES, WHICH IS ALMOST AN ACRE ACCORDING TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, 6 TO 8 DWELLING UNITS ARE ALLOWED PER ACRE. HOWEVER, AS STATED, THE PROPERTY IS NOT QUITE AN ACRE, SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, THE DENSITY ALLOWED WOULD BE 4.38 TO 5.84 UNITS PER ACRE, OR SIX UNITS PER ACRE. STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION. HOWEVER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL THE NEXT. THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. YOU CAN COME FORWARD. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMENTS I MY NAME IS LATEEF JOHNSON. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I WAS UNDER IMPRESSION. I WAS PRESENTING TODAY. JUST SPEAKING. YOU CAN PRESENT OKAY PRESENT SPEAK THIS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION OR COMMENTS.

OKAY. ONCE AGAIN HI. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LATEEF JOHNSON. I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT OF ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE. TODAY I WANT TO DISCUSS THE REZONING REQUEST FOR ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE FROM R-1 SINGLE FAMILY TO R-3 MULTIFAMILY. THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FOR A SITE VARIANCE SETBACK, BUT I AM TONIGHT REQUESTING A OFFICIAL WITHDRAWAL DUE TO BEING ABLE TO ABIDE BY ALL SETBACKS REQUIRED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVAL.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO VISUAL FOR THE PROPERTY. THE IDEA IS TRANSFORMING AN UNDERUTILIZED CORNER LOT INTO VIBRANT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. AGAIN THE PROPERTY IS ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE.

CURRENT ZONING IS R-1 SINGLE FAMILY REQUESTED ZONING IS R-3 MULTIFAMILY. THE PROPOSED USES

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MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING AND IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED. SO THAT MEANS THAT I'LL BE LIVING ON THE PREMISES AS WELL. THE NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED IS EIGHT UNITS WITH UNIT SIZES OF ABOUT 1800 SQUARE FEET, ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 14,000FTā– !S. BUILDIG EACH UNIT FOUR BEDROOM, THREE FULL BATHROOMS. PARKING GARAGE ONE FOUR CAR PARKING PAD. AND JUST JUST A FRONT VISUAL OF THE RENDERING. AND THAT'S THE REAR WITH THE PARKING PAD AND THE GARAGE. TONIGHT, I KIND OF WANT TO GO OVER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND COMMUNITY AND PLANNING COMMISSION CONCERNS. SO STAFF PLANNING RECOMMENDED R-3 ZONING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS SUPPORTING A SIX UNIT LAYOUT, NO VARIANCE. CONFIRMING THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE INTENT OF THE R-3 DISTRICT COMPATIBLE TO SURROUNDING ZONING REQUESTED AND ALIGNS WITH THE CITY FUTURE LAND MAP USE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A FEW CONCERNS. CONCERNS NUMBER ONE WAS APPROVAL WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS SPOT ZONING CONCERN. NUMBER TWO WAS THE EIGHT UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROPOSAL MAY NOT BE FULLY ALIGNED WITH FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR MAIN CONCERN AND ONLY CONCERN WAS TRAFFIC INCREASE IN THE AREA. SO TO ADDRESS CONCERN NUMBER ONE, REZONING JUSTIFICATION. AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S A GIS MAP OF THE CITY. AND IN THE RED SQUARE THERE'S ZERO HAD BEEN DRIVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY R-1 SINGLE FAMILY IS IN YELLOW, R3 IS IN MULTIFAMILY IN ORANGE, AND THE PINK IS COMMERCIAL. SO CURRENTLY THE ZONING IS R-1 SINGLE FAMILY. IT ALLOWS FOR ONLY ONE HOME ON A 0.731 ACRE LOT. THIS LOT IS ABOUT 3 TO 4 TIMES LARGER THAN THE SURROUNDING R-1 PARCELS. IT PREVENTS EFFICIENT USE OF LAND, RESULTING IN SIGNIFICANT UNDERUTILIZATION, Y, R1 R3 IS APPROPRIATE. IT ALIGNS WITH THE SURROUNDING MIXED LAND PATTERN SHOWN ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT. R3 AND C-1 DISTRICTS LOCATIONS. EXCUSE ME. R3 C1 DISTRICTS COEXIST WITHIN THE SAME BLOCK. THE SITE'S CORNER LOCATION AND LARGE LOT SIZE MAKES IT A CANDIDATE FOR MEDIUM DENSITY DENSITY INFILL HOUSING. WHY IS THIS NOT SPOT ZONING? THIS PARCEL IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING R-3 ZONING AND SHARES A BOUNDARY WITH C-1. IT CREATES COMPATIBILITY WITH DIRECTLY ADJACENT R3 DISTRICT AND REZONING DOES NOT ISOLATE A NEW DISTRICT. IT EXTENDS AN EXISTING R3 PATTERN AND ADDS A TRADITIONAL BUFFER BETWEEN R1 AND C-1 LOTS. VARIANCE WITHDRAWAL REQUEST. THE ORIGINAL VARIANCE REQUEST INCLUDED A REDUCTION FROM A SIX FOOT YARD SETBACK TO A THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK. DUE TO THE SHAPE CONSTRAINTS OF THE LOT. AFTER REVIEWING STAFF'S FEEDBACK, REEVALUATING THE SURVEY OF THE LAND. FINDING THE PUBLIC, THE BUILDING LAYOUT AND THE EIGHT UNIT DESIGN HAS BEEN ADJUSTED TO FULLY MEET ALL REQUIRED SETBACKS, LOT COVERAGE AND DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS.

UNDER R-3 ZONING. I'M REQUESTING AN OFFICIAL VARIANCE WITHDRAWAL BECAUSE THE PROJECT PROCEEDS WITH THE FULL CODE COMPLIANCE IN EIGHT UNITS. AND HERE'S THE SITE PLAN WITH ALL MEETING ALL FOUR SETBACKS 35 YARD FRONT YARD, TWO SIDE YARD, SIX YARD SETBACKS AND 25 FOOT YARD REAR. CONCERN. NUMBER 218 UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH FUTURE LAND USE. AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT, THIS IS THE SOURCES FROM THE EASTPOINT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

PAGE 81 PRETTY MUCH TALKS ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. THIS PROJECT DIRECTLY IMPLEMENTS EASTPOINT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER GOALS. MULTIFAMILY HOUSING 68 UNITS PER ACRE. I'M PROPOSING EIGHT UNITS. ZONING DISTRICT R3. I'M PROPOSING R3 REVITALIZATION OF ANY FIELD AND UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS RIGHT NOW IS UNDERUTILIZED PARCEL AND INFILL LOT, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING TO REVITALIZE. AND ALSO REAL PARKING SITE DESIGNS. CONCERN NUMBER TWO CONTINUED WHY AN EIGHT UNIT PROPOSAL VERSUS SIX UNITS. SO TO THE RIGHT IS THE

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FINGER FROM THE CITY OF EASTPOINT ZONING ORDINANCE PRETTY MUCH DESCRIBING THE AMENITY PACKAGES AND THE DENSITY BONUS AVAILABLE FOR MULTIFAMILY AND CONDOMINIUM PROJECTS. SO IT EXPLICITLY STATES R3 CODE. MULTIFAMILY, TOWNHOME AND CONDOMINIUM PROJECTS REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF TWO AMENITIES. SO ON THE LOT, A LOT OF THE 6 TO 8 UNITS PER ACRE, THE LOT IS CURRENTLY 0.731 ACRES, SO THE CALCULATIONS BASED ON UP TO EIGHT UNITS TIMES THE 6.7.31 ACRES GIVE YOU ABOUT 5.85 UNITS, WHICH IS THE TOTAL OF SIX MAX UNITS PER THE R3 CODE ALLOWS UP TO A 30% BONUS. THAT MEANS AN ADDITIONAL NINE PLUS AMENITIES.

SO IF THE BASE UNITS IS 58.85 UNITS TIMES THE DENSITY BONUS, THAT GIVES YOU AN ADDITIONAL 1.76 ADDITIONAL UNITS. AND IF YOU ADD THOSE UP TOGETHER, THAT GIVES YOU 7.6 UNITS, WHICH IS EQUAL TO EIGHT MAX UNITS. SO IN CONCLUSION, EIGHT UNITS ARE IN WITH THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY FOR A 0.731 ACRE LOT. WHEN THE 30% BONUS IS APPLIED AND REQUIRED AMENITIES ARE PROVIDED. NOW, I WANTED TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF AMENITIES QUALIFYING FOR THE 30% BONUS. IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THESE, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES WHICH IS ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, BENCHES AND SEATING, ARCHITECTURAL LIGHTING, BIKE RACKS, GAZEBO, HAMMOCK, WALKING PATH, COMMUNITY MAIL AND ARCHITECTURAL FENCING AND DECORATIVE ENTRY. AND LASTLY, THE TRAFFIC CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO YOUR RIGHT. THIS IS A FIGURE THE THE THRESHOLD OF TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. SO FROM THE CITY OF EASTPOINT REZONING USE PERMIT AND CONCURRENT APPLICATION.

THIS IS THE TRAFFIC THRESHOLD PER CITY STANDARDS. SO TRAFFIC STUDY IS ONLY REQUIRED FOR ONLY 700 PLUS MULTIFAMILY UNITS. MY PROPOSAL IS EIGHT UNITS, WHICH IS LESS THAN 1.2% OF THE THRESHOLD. THE IMPACT IS NEGLIGIBLE TO DAILY TRAFFIC INCREASE, FAR BELOW THRESHOLD STUDY. BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO BE TOO DISMISSIVE OF THE CONCERN. SO I CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ANYWAY. THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WAS CONDUCTED AND MAILED OUT TO ALL NEARBY RESIDENTS IN COUNCIL AND STAFF. IN CONCLUSION, THE TRAFFIC STUDY CAME TO BE ABOUT 60 TRIPS PER DAY, 6 TO 8 VEHICLES PER HOUR, WHICH IS LESS THAN ONE VEHICLE, EIGHT EVERY 8 TO 10 MINUTES. TRAFFIC LOAD WOULD BE A LESS THAN 1% OF ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE CAPACITY. EXCUSE ME, HELEN DRIVE CAPACITY AND APPROXIMATELY 10,000 VEHICLES PER DAY PER CORRIDOR. VALIUM.

SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD BE A B CLASSIFICATION, WHICH MEANS FREE FLOWING TRAFFIC WITH NEGLIGIBLE DELAY. IN CONCLUSION, THE PROPOSED EIGHT UNIT COMMUNITY WOULD GENERATE LESS THAN 1% OF EXISTING TRAFFIC VOLUME. THE ROADWAY WOULD CONTINUE OPERATING AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE AB, MEANING SMOOTH, FREE FLOWING CONDITIONS. NO ROADWAY OR SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY. AND THIS IS JUST A RENDERING SHOWING THE CONSISTENCY WITH NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERED DESIGN GOALS. TO YOUR RIGHT, YOU HAVE THE CITY OF EASTPOINT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PAGE 81. WE'RE JUST SHOWING THE DESIGN GOALS WITH FRONT STREET SIDEWALK BUILDING AND REAR SIDEWALK. EXCUSE ME, REAR PARKING OR SIDE PARKING. AND TO THE LEFT IS THE PROPOSED EIGHT UNIT, MIMICKING THAT DESIGN AS WELL. NEXT IS JUST THE ELEVATION OF THE FRONT AND REAR OF THE DESIGN OF EACH UNIT. AND THIS IS THE FINAL LAYOUT OR THE FLOOR PLAN FOR BEDROOM THREE FULL BATHROOM ONE CAR GARAGE. LIVING. BENEFITS TO CITY OF EASTPOINT. THE PROJECT DELIVERS TIMELESS ARCHITECTURAL VALUE, ALIGNS WITH THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MEETS ALL OUR THREE DIMENSIONAL AND SETBACK STANDARDS, HENCE WHY THE VARIANCE IS WITHDRAWN. IT PROVIDES EIGHT HIGH QUALITY BRAND NEW FAMILY SIZED HOMES, CREATE OPTIONS FOR FAMILIES WHO NEED MORE SPACE FOUR BEDROOM, THREE BATH AND PARKING SUPPORTING WALKABLE AREA WITH COMMUNITY FEEL AND REDEVELOPS AND REVITALIZES UNDERUTILIZED CORNER LOT AND PRODUCTIVE

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HOUSING. IT ALSO EXPANDS THE BASE FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES. EXCUSE ME, WHICH STRENGTHENS THE LOCAL ECONOMY. AND JUST TO RECAP, STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND COMMUNITY CITY CITY PLANNING CONCERNS. STAFF RECOMMENDED SIX UNITS WITH NO VARIANCE. THE UPDATED LAYOUT FULLY MEETS ALL THREE R3 REQUIREMENTS, WHICH RESOLVE STAFF'S PREVIOUS SIX UNIT RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS BASED ON THE PREVIOUS VARIANCE REQUEST AND NO DENSITY BONUS. BONUS. THE PROJECT NOW ACCOMMODATES EIGHT UNITS WITH NO VARIANCE, MAINTAINS QUALITY, AND INCLUDES NINE PLUS AMENITIES, QUALIFYING FOR 30% DENSITY. BONUS CONCERN NUMBER ONE SPOT ZONING. THE SITE IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT FROM AN EXISTING R-3 ZONE EXTENDING, NOT OSCILLATE, OSCILLATING THE R3 PATTERN, WHICH CREATES A LOGICAL TRANSITION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS. AND CONCERN NUMBER TWO FUTURE USE PLAN ASSIGNMENT. THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER GOALS. SUPPORTS INFILL HOUSING 6 TO 8 UNITS PER ACRE, REVITALIZING UNDERUSED LAND, AND INCLUDES NINE PLUS AMENITIES, QUALIFYING FOR A 30% BONUS, WHICH EQUALS EIGHT UNITS TOTAL. AND LASTLY, THE PROJECT IS EIGHT UNITS TOTAL, WHICH IS ONE POINT LESS THAN 1.2% OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY THRESHOLD PER CITY REQUIREMENTS. A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS CONDUCTED PROACTIVELY TO ENSURE THAT THE TRANSPARENCY AND CONFIRMATION OF MINIMAL IMPACT IT CAN. IT CONFIRMED IMPACT WAS LESS THAN 1%. I AM RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING REZONING FROM R1 TO R3, WHICH IS CONSISTENT TRANSITION AND EFFICIENT USE VARIANT SIDE YARD SETBACK, WITHDRAWAL. AND ALSO THIS PROJECT WILL ADD A LONG TERM VALUE TO THE CITY OF EAST POINT WHILE RESPECTING CITY STANDARDS AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER. ONE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY TO CLOSE, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THIS VISION. I WANT TO SAY I AM NOT A CORPORATION. I'M A REGULAR PERSON, A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY WHO HAS PUT MY OWN RESOURCES TOGETHER TO PUT THIS, TO BUY, TO PURCHASE THIS LAND. MY INTENTION IS SIMPLE AND HONEST, TO CREATE A PLACE WHERE I CAN LIVE AND WHERE OTHER FAMILIES CAN LIVE SAFELY, BEAUTIFULLY AND WITH DIGNITY. I'VE FOLLOWED EVERY REQUIREMENT PLACED BEFORE ME. I'VE LISTENED, I'VE ADJUSTED, AND I'VE SHOWN FLEXIBILITY AND GIVEN ADEQUATE COMMUNICATION AT EVERY SINGLE STEP. THIS PROJECT DOES NOT TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY. IT ADDS TO ITS VALUE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONCERNS COME FROM A REAL PLACE OF FEAR OF CHANGE, AND I RESPECT AND EMPATHIZE WITH THAT DEEPLY. CHANGE IS NEVER EASY, BUT CHANGES HOW EVERY SINGLE HOME IN THIS COMMUNITY CAME TO EXIST. EVERY HOUSE HERE TODAY WAS ONCE AN EMPTY PARCEL, JUST LIKE MINES, AND SOMEONE ONE DAY WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD. THE FAMILIES WHO LIVE HERE TODAY NOW HAVE A HOME BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY WAS GRANTED AND ALL, I'M ASKING FOR THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. MADAM CITY CLERK. HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT? 36 SECONDS. OKAY, MA'AM, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT RIGHT THERE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST FOR REZONING PROPERTY LOCATED AT ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE FROM R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO R-3 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. ANYONE WHO LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR. OKAY, YOU CAN RESET THE CLOCK. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME FORWARD SO YOU CAN JUST COME FORWARD ONE AT A TIME. ANYONE WHO LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE FROM R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO R-3 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. DID YOU RESET THE 15 MINUTES? OKAY, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR HOLIDAY INGRAM AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ANISA ABERNATHY. I LIVE AT 2223 RIDGECREST LANE. AND TONIGHT I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF RIDGECREST LANE, ELLENWOOD AND HEADLAND DRIVE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2025 R2 DASH 00308. THE REZONING APPLICATION FOR ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 16TH. YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING

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COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND I URGE YOU TONIGHT TO UPHOLD THE RECOMMENDATION. YOUR APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS CAREFULLY REVIEWED THIS APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL AND FOUND IT FAILED ON EVERY SUBSTANTIAL GROUND. FIRST, IT VIOLATES YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WITH A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. HER ORIGINAL PROPOSAL SAID. EIGHT UNITS, DOUBLE YOUR PLAN STANDARD AND WAS JUST CHANGED WHEN SHE HEARD PUSHBACK. SECOND, THE DEVELOPER CLAIMS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER JUSTIFICATION. BUT YOUR PLAN REQUIRES NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS TO HAVE RETAIL SERVICES AND PUBLIC AMENITIES ON MAJOR CORRIDORS. THIS WOODED CORNER HAS NONE OF THAT. IT WILL JUST HAVE EIGHT RENTAL TOWNHOMES THAT WOULD BE RENTED AND BENEFIT THE OWNER. THIRD, THIS IS SPOT ZONING. EVERY PROPERTY ON RIDGECREST LANE AND HEADLAND DRIVE UNTIL THE COMMERCIAL INTERSECTION OF SUCH HEADLAND AND WILLOW IS R1 REZONING THIS I'M SORRY ONE PARTIAL TO R3 SINGLES IT OUT FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT BENEFITING THE ONE DEVELOPER AT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS EXPENSE. FOURTH, THE VARIANCE REQUEST FAILS LEGAL STANDARDS.

THEY WANT TO CUT SIDEWALKS FROM 6FT TO 3FT AT A 50% REDUCTION, NOT BECAUSE OF UNIQUE PROPERTY HARDSHIP, BECAUSE EIGHT UNITS WOULDN'T FIT THE PROPER SETBACKS THAT WAS SELF CREATED, NOT GROUNDS FOR VARIANCE. FIFTH, THIS PROVIDES ZERO PUBLIC BENEFIT. OUR COMMUNITY RECEIVES NO SERVICE, NO AMENITIES, NOTHING. DEVELOPER RECEIVES DOUBLE DENSITY AND REDUCED SETBACKS FROM MAXIMUM RENTAL PROPERTY. SIX THERE'S BEEN NO TRAFFIC STUDY DESPITE WHICH WAS CLAIMED TODAY. NO NEIGHBORS OF MINE HAVE RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION VIA MAIL, CALL OR EMAIL. AND FINALLY, OVERTURNING YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION'S UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT. IT TELLS EVERY DEVELOPER, WHETHER THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL OR PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT ANALYSIS DOES NOT MATTER, THAT ALL PROTECTIONS ARE NEGOTIABLE, AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE JUST SUGGESTION. YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION DID THEIR JOB. THEY ANALYZED THIS APPLICATION AGAINST YOUR ADOPTED STANDARDS AND UNANIMOUSLY FOUND IT FAILS.

I, ANISA ABERNATHY, ALONG WITH MY NEIGHBORS, RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION, DENYING THE R1 TO R3 REZONING, DENY ANY SITE SETBACK VARIANCE AND PROTECT R-1 RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INTEGRITY. YOU ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO STAND WITH YOUR COMMISSIONERS, YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND UPHOLD SOUND PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE URGE YOU TO EXERCISE IT AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MISS ABERNATHY, COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE I MEAN, YOUR ADDRESS STATED YOUR NAME, BUT NOT YOUR ADDRESS. OUR RULES REQUIRE ADDRESS. OKAY. ANISA ABERNATHY. NO, YOU STATED YOUR NAME. I NEED YOUR ADDRESS. OH 2223 RIDGECREST LANE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. GOOD EVENING, ERNEST D PITMAN. I HAD NOT THOUGHT TO COME UP HERE UNTIL I HEARD RIDGECREST LANE. THE WAY THE LATE HAROLD WILLIAMS LIVED ON RIDGECREST LANE. I GOT TO KNOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE MY OWN. HE WOULD TURN OVER IN HIS GRAVE IF NO ONE FROM THE CITY WHO HAS BEEN HERE ANYTIME IN OUR COMMUNITIES, DID NOT STAND AND RISE TO DEFEAT THIS PROPOSED EIGHT UNIT, IT COULD BE ONE UNIT WITH EIGHT DIFFERENT FLATS IN IT. WE DON'T NEED DEVELOPMENT ON EVERY CORNER BECAUSE THERE ARE TREES THERE.

RIDGECREST LANE, THE FIRST STREET DOWN FROM THE LOW, AND HITLER. YOU HAVE THE LAUNDRY, THEN YOU HAVE THE BREAK AND THEN YOU HAVE RIDGECREST. THOSE ARE HOMES OVER THERE. SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, LEGACY HOMES, RANCH AND SPLIT LEVELS. THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL YARDS AND WE DON'T NEED APARTMENTS POPPING UP ON THE CORNERS BECAUSE I SEE THIS ONE HERE. NEXT, YOU'LL BE

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TRYING TO THROW ONE BEHIND MY HOUSE. ON BEING HERE. ROAD BETWEEN DODSON DRIVE AND MCCOY PLACE. WAS NEVER THOUGHT TO QUESTION THE WHAT'S BEHIND THOSE TREES. THAT'S A CREEK.

DID YOU KNOW THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE COME UP HERE, BUT LET THE RESIDENTS START HAVING PROBLEMS WITH IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE CITY. YOU DON'T KNOW THE WATERWAYS. YOU HAVEN'T STUDIED, AND YOU COME AND THE RESIDENTS COME UP HERE WHO HAVE MADE INVESTMENTS ON RIDGECREST LANE. THEY HAVE BOUGHT HOMES OVER THERE, INHERITED HOMES OVER THERE.

THEY DON'T NEED EIGHT APARTMENTS WITH NO PLAY AREA, NO AREA FOR THE CHILDREN OR EVEN FOR WHOEVER THEY'RE TO TURN AROUND. AND THAT'S A CUL DE SAC UP THERE. DID YOU KNOW THAT? YOU GO UP THERE, YOU GO TURN COMING RIGHT ON BACK OUT. AND HAMBLEN DRIVE. NO, ON THE CORNER. NO. EVEN IF IT DID FIT THE COMPREHENSION PLAN, PEOPLE WHO BUY PROPERTY AND MAKE INVESTMENTS, THE LARGEST ONE THAT THEY WILL EVER MAKE IN THEIR LIVES WHEN THEY BUY A HOME AND HAVE AND STAY THERE UNTIL THEY'RE WELL UP IN AGE, SUCH AS THE QUEEN HERE 79. I DON'T WANT APARTMENTS TWO, THREE OR 4 OR 5 SITTING BEHIND ME. WHEN I GET READY TO MOVE OUT OF MY HOUSE, I'M GOING TO A PLACE WHERE TEN OF THEM, THAT'S WHERE I EXPECT TO BE. AND THERE'S NO LITTLE BOY THAT CAN RUN TO THE STORE FOR YOU THERE. RIGHT UP THE STREET. DIAGONAL CROSSING THAT LAND THERE. BEEN THERE FOR AGES. NOBODY WANTS TO BUY IT AND DEVELOP IT BECAUSE THERE'S A CREEK THERE. AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? WITH THESE HOMES? BE ON THE STORMWATER LINE. STORMWATER PIPES. AND THAT I SAW TONIGHT THAT DID NOT HAVE ONE OUT THERE ON COMMERCE DRIVE. NOW WHEN WE SIT HERE, YOU ALL SIT HERE AND YOU HEAR PEOPLE COME UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR HOMES. THESE HOMES MEAN SOMETHING TO THEM. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN HERE, STAYED THERE AND CONTINUE TO STAY REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE GET OR DO NOT GET FROM THE CITY BY WAY OF AMENITIES. AND I HEARD THEM TALK ABOUT AMENITIES, AND AMENITIES FIRST CAME UP BECAUSE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE THAT THEY WANT TO PUT BEHIND DOLLAR GENERAL ON HEADLAND DRIVE. AND THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TRADING OFF WITH AMENITIES. WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND WE INTEND TO STAY HERE A LONG TIME. WE DO NOT OWE ANYBODY A HOME WHO DOES NOT ALREADY HAVE ONE ON THE STREET ON WHICH WE LIVE. THAT DOES NOT SAY WE SHOULD BE, SHOULDN'T BE WELCOMING TO THOSE WHO WANT TO COME. BUT YOU DON'T COME AND FORCE YOUR LIFESTYLE ON US. WE BLEND, WE COMPROMISE. BUT WE SHOULD NOT BEND ON WHAT YOU HAVE LIVED AND WORKED AND PAID FOR 3040 YEARS. RIDGE CREST IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THIS. I LOOKED UP HERE. IT DOESN'T BLEND INTO THE HOMES OVER THERE AND THOSE ARE NOT OUR. HOMES OVER THERE. IT'S NOT CHANTY AT ALL. AND HAROLD WILLIAMS, HE WOULD BE UP HERE WITH A CREW AROUND HIM BECAUSE I'D BE THE FIRST ONE. WE'D HAVE BEEN PICKETING ALL DAY UP AND DOWN OUT HERE. SO I ASK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, VOTE NO BECAUSE IT IS NOT RIGHT. SHE SAID NO ONE HAD GOTTEN IN TOUCH WITH THEM.

THERE MAY NOT BE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO 500FT. 750FT OF SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH. AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THERE. THEY'RE ALL LIKE, I AM. SOME DON'T DRIVE, SOME HAVE NEVER DRIVEN. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE AND A VALUE HERE IN EASTPOINT. THANK YOU. MADAM CITY CLERK. HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT? FIVE MINUTES, 32 SECONDS. AND SO HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK? I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. AND SO, MA'AM, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS.

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COUNCIL AT SOME POINT WILL NEED TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO INCREASE THE TIME ALLOTTED.

HELLO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MYRA OVIATT. MY ADDRESS IS 2171 ELLENWOOD DRIVE. I'M AN 18 YEAR RESIDENT OF EASTPOINT. I'VE BEEN IN THIS HOME FOR 18 YEARS. WE ARE AT THE INTERSECTION OF RED RIDGECREST. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THESE ARE TWO DEAD END STREETS. WE HAVE CUL DE SACS AT THE END OF OUR STREETS. SO IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING THAT MY NEIGHBOR ANISSA ABERNATHY MENTIONED, THE TRAFFIC IS A LARGE CONCERN BECAUSE ANYTIME THERE'S AN IMPACT TO HEADLAND AND DALLAS, WE FEEL IT ACUTELY. IT CUTS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IMMEDIATELY AND YOU'LL SEE AN UPTICK IN TRAFFIC. AND PER THE ILLUSTRATIONS THERE, THAT TRAFFIC FOR THESE HOMES WOULD DUMP OUT ONTO RIDGECREST AS WELL. SO THAT'S A CONCERN. I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SORT OF SWISS CHEESING OF OUR CODES. YOU ALL HAVE SET THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS ASKING FOR BASICALLY AN OUTLIER TO THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FOR A SPOT VARIANCE, WHICH GOES AGAINST WHAT YOU ALL HAVE SET INTO MOTION AND WHAT HAS EXISTED AS FAR AS THE R-1 RESIDENTIAL ZONING. WE WERE NOT CONSULTED REGARDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I'M NOT CLEAR WHO WAS, SO THAT'S CONFUSING TO ME. I ALSO HAVE A NEIGHBOR WITH ME WHO LIVES NEXT DOOR. NONE OF US HAD HEARD ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC, AND IN FACT, WE BROUGHT IT UP AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. SO I'LL KEEP IT SHORT. PLEASE, PLEASE GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR APPOINTED PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. THEY HEARD OUR CONCERNS AT THAT MEETING. THEY ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, FULLY ALIGNED WITH THEIR CONFUSION AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THINGS ARE WRITTEN IN YOUR CODE. SO PLEASE, PLEASE DENY THE VARIANCE, DENY THE SETBACKS, AND DENY THE UPHOLD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU'VE ADOPTED. THANK YOU. THE NEXT PERSON IN OPPOSITION MAY COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SABRINA KING. I RESIDE AT 2331 RIDGECREST LANE IN EASTPOINT. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT THERE FOR 40 PLUS YEARS AND I AM OPPOSED OF THIS PROJECT AGAIN. I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THE TRAFFIC SURVEY THAT WAS DONE, AND I JUST LIKE THAT TO BE ON THE RECORD OF MY DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? MADAM CITY CLERK, WHAT'S THE TIME? THREE MINUTES, 42 SECONDS. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M ASKING FOR TIME IS NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYONE CAN'T SPEAK. I'LL JUST NEED TO MAKE A MOTION WHEN THE TIME RUNS OUT TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL ASK COUNCIL TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ADDITIONAL TIME.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JACKIE GEORGE AND I LIVE AT 2357 RIDGECREST LANE, EAST POINT, GEORGIA AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN EASTPOINT FOR 40 PLUS YEARS. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AS MISS PITTMAN WAS MENTIONING, PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE STREET ARE FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE LIVED ON OUR STREET ALSO. SO MY MY ONLY I'LL MAKE IT VERY SHORT AND BRIEF. PLEASE UPHOLD WHAT YOU SAID IN DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT. AND LET ME ALSO SAY THAT I NEVER RECEIVED INFORMATION. I WAS NOT EVEN CONTACTED ANYTHING ABOUT A SURVEY ON TRAFFIC. I KNOW SHE KEEP MENTIONING. SHE MENTIONED THAT TRAFFIC WOULDN'T BE THAT HIGH. NO ONE CAN CONTROL TRAFFIC. YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE WHEN THEY CAN GO DOWN THE STREET AND WHEN THEY CANNOT GO DOWN THE STREET. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CONTROL IF THIS IS A UNIT OF EIGHT. AND I THINK YOU HAVE 40 SPACES FOR PARKING. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE 40 SPACES, PLUS THE PERSON THAT OWNED THE THE OWN THE APARTMENT, THEN THAT'S 48. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 50 PEOPLE MORE GOING DOWN, UP AND DOWN OUR STREET, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT OUR DRIVEWAYS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT? SO I SAY, PLEASE DENY THIS AND I UNDERSTAND WE WILL WELCOME YOU IF YOU WANT TO MOVE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT BUILD YOU A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND LIVE IN THE HOUSE. ANYONE ELSE IN OPPOSITION COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELAINE FRAZIER. I LIVE AT 2345 RIDGECREST LANE AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT ON RIDGECREST LANE FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS. WHAT WE AS RESIDENTS CAN APPRECIATE ABOUT OUR STREET IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CRIME, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DISTURBANCE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NOISE. AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR OUR ATMOSPHERE TO REMAIN THE SAME. BUT TO ADD AN ENTRANCE FROM RIDGECREST TO A MULTI TO A

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DEVELOPMENT WOULD BRING A LOT OF TRAFFIC. WE HAVE ELDER PEOPLE AND YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO WALK OUR STREETS DAILY. WE DON'T NEED THE ADDITION OF FAST RUNNING CARS AND A LOT OF TRAFFIC. SO FOR THESE REASONS FROM ME, I AM AGAINST A REDISTRICTING REZONING FROM 1 TO 3. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST FOR REZONING? WE HAVE. GOOD AFTERNOON, BEVERLY AND GRANITE, 2311 DILLARD DRIVE. DENY, DENY, DENY THIS SO-CALLED TRAFFIC STUDY. I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT TOOK PLACE. THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ME DIRECTLY, BUT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ME AND THE PEOPLE ON RIDGECREST. HOME OWNERS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. THE YOUNG LADY SAID THAT SHE HAD DONE ALL OF HER REQUIREMENT. WELL, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE TO NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHOEVER SAID THAT WE DON'T EXIST, WE DO. WE DON'T WANT IT. WE DON'T NEED IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYWHERE THERE'S A PIECE OF DIRT. EAST POINT WANTS TO BUILD SOME APARTMENTS OR SOME TOWNHOUSES. AND WHAT'S REALLY BEING SAID, IT WOULD BE A ROOMING HOUSE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE. AND WE ARE TIRED OF BEING DUMPED ON IN WARD EIGHT WITH WHATEVER YOU ALL THINK YOU WANT TO PUT THERE. YOU THINK YOU CAN.

WE AS HOMEOWNERS HAVE HAD ENOUGH. OUR CITY MANAGER TOLD US AT THE MEETING DOWN AT SHELTON. AND ON BY WHAT YOU GOT TO DO AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO REZONE. I THINK YOU BETTER THINK AGAIN. WE ARE TIRED. WE ARE EXHAUSTED. THE YOUNG LADY SAID SHE MET THE REQUIREMENT. I WOULD ASK HER TO REACH OUT TO THE RESIDENTS, AND SHE WOULD REALIZE AND KNOW THAT'S NOT NEEDED THERE. ALL THAT'S GOING TO DO IS JUST MAKE A CONGESTION OR WE DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE COMING IN THERE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE NOTHING BUT A ROOMING HOUSE. SHE KNOW IT AND YOU ALL KNOW IT. SO WE ARE ASKING YOU ALL AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO PLEASE DENY, DENY, DENY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ANY SO COUNCIL, MA'AM, YOU CAN COME FORWARD. BUT I'M. I'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR A MOTION BEFORE YOU SPEAK. THE RULES GIVE US 15 MINUTES FOR EACH SIDE. BUT BY MAJORITY VOTE, THE COUNCIL MAY INCREASE THE TOTAL TIME FOR SPEAKERS, PROVIDED THAT EACH SIDE IS GIVEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. SO AT THIS TIME, A MOTION TO EXTEND THE TIME FOR SPEAKERS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AND AGAINST WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. MADAM MAYOR, SO MOVED. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. MADAM CITY CLERK, INSTEAD OF DOING A COUNTDOWN CLOCK, I NEED YOU TO COUNT UP.

SO I NEED YOU, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF TIME, WHENEVER WE CONCLUDE THE OPPOSITION, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THAT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO DECIDE. THAT'S IN FAVOR. HELLO. THANK YOU. HI. MY NAME IS IRMA BELLE, AND I RESIDE AT 2292 RIDGECREST LANE. WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1982, AND. ANAYA PRIMM IS MY NIECE. BUT ANYWAY, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'VE HAD MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY GOOD YEARS. ALL OUR YEARS HAVE BEEN GOOD THERE. AND WE WANT WE DON'T WANT IT TO CHANGE. AND JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS WOULD REALLY CHANGE IT. IT'S IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME. WE WALK DOWN THE STREETS AND PUSH OUR GRANDCHILDREN NOW, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREETS AND WE CAN

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JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NOT HAD ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS THERE. AND THIS RIGHT HERE, IT DOESN'T EVEN FIT. IT REALLY DOESN'T BECAUSE THERE'S HOMES THERE. AND IT JUST DOESN'T FIT. IT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. SO DENY DENY DENY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. THERESA NELSON, 1732 NEELY AVENUE. THERE'S BEEN QUITE ELOQUENT REMARKS ALREADY MADE, AND I CERTAINLY COULD NOT ADD TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, BECAUSE I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. BUT THERE WERE TWO POINTS THAT I SAW BECAUSE I RECEIVED NOTICE OF THIS REZONING. AND THE FIRST THING THAT STRUCK ME WAS THIS REZONING. IN HER APPLICATION, IT LISTED THEY WOULD HAVE FIVE PARKING SPACES PER UNIT FIVE NOW TO MAKE SENSE. FIVE IS GOING TO REQUIRE A GREAT DEAL MORE CONCRETE AREA FOR CARS TO COME IN AND COME AND GO. IT ALSO OPENS UP THE DOOR FOR POTENTIAL AIRBNB LOCATION, BECAUSE IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT. IT'S A POPULAR PLACE FOR BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT. SO WITH ALL THE PARKING THAT IS GOING TO BE PROPOSED TO BE THERE, THAT TO ME COULD CREATE A SERIOUS PROBLEM NOT JUST WITH TRAFFIC, BUT JUST WITH THE THEIR EXISTENCE AND QUIET EXISTENCE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND EVEN MORE SO, I SAW THE SLOPE OF THE LAND AND DRIVING PAST IT. ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS, OF COURSE, I HAVE IN MY HOUSE, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSE, WITH THE OLD MONTESSORI PROPERTY, IS THE SLOPE AND THE DRAINAGE, AND YOU'RE ADDING A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF HARDSCAPES. YOU ARE ALSO REMOVING A PHENOMENAL NUMBER OF TREES. AND I HEARD NOTHING ABOUT TREE SAVE. I'VE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT STORMWATER PROTECTIONS, AND I'VE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT WHY THERE'S A NEED FOR SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT OF PARKING. THIS IS GOING TO CREATE A SERIOUS STORMWATER ISSUE FOR THOSE THAT RESIDENTS BEHIND IT AND BESIDE IT. SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST TO REZONE PROPERTY LOCATED AT ZERO HEADLAND DRIVE FROM R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO R-3 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH THE CONCURRENT VARIANCE. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? MADAM CITY CLERK, HOW MUCH TIME? A MINUTE. ONE MINUTE. 57 SECONDS. ONE MINUTE 57. YES. AND YOU SAID THERE WAS 36 SECONDS REMAINING BEFORE WE WENT TO THE OPPOSITION, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. Y'ALL HELP ME WITH MY QUICK MATH. THAT'S TWO MINUTES AND 33 SECONDS. AND SO, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? IF NOT, THIS TIME WILL BE ALLOTTED TO THE APPLICANT FOR REBUTTAL.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE REZONING REQUEST? MA'AM? WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN? APPLICANT. JOHNSON. MISS JOHNSON, THERE'S TWO MINUTES AND 33 SECONDS THAT YOU HAVE. IF YOU'D LIKE TO USE FOR REBUTTAL AT THIS TIME OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS. MADAM CITY CLERK, YOU CITIZEN. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNICATION.

EACH RESIDENT WAS COMMUNICATED ADEQUATELY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I EVEN SEEN ONE YOUNG LADY WHO CAME UP HERE WHO SAID HE WASN'T NOTIFIED, ACTUALLY HAD THE COMMUNICATION IN HAND AS WELL. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT SOMEONE WAS SAYING AS FAR AS IT NOT ABIDING, THIS IS THE ACTUAL MAP AND IN THE AREA, IT'S MULTIPLE COMMUNITY AND COMMERCIAL LOTS.

IN THAT AREA, THERE'S A LARGE R3 REZONING IN THAT AREA, AND THE REST IS SINGLE FAMILY. SO THIS IS NOT SPOT ZONING. THERE'S A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONING IN THIS AREA, AND IT WOULD NOT CONTRIBUTE TO ANY DISARRAY IN THE AREA AS WELL. I WANT TO SAY ONCE AGAIN THAT I AM NOT A BUSINESS. I AM NOT A CORPORATION. I'M NOT A GREEDY DEVELOPER. I'M A HARD WORKING CLASS CITIZEN, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WHO TOOK MY RESOURCES TOGETHER. I LIVED ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM HERE IN COLLEGE PARK, AND I PURCHASED THIS PIECE OF LAND IN HOPES TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR ME AND OTHER FAMILIES AROUND. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I

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UNDERSTAND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE IS CHANGE THAT IS HAPPENING AND THAT IS OCCURRING AND PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL. BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL ABOUT ARE BEING REGULATED THROUGH THE MUNICIPALITIES. AS FAR AS STORMWATER RETENTION, I CANNOT BUILD THIS PROPERLY WITHOUT IT BEING PERMITTED THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL PROPERLY.

AS FAR AS. I'M SORRY. I THINK THAT'S IT. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT THAT'S THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED, MADAM MAYOR. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE. IF COUNCIL DESIRES TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT, THERE WILL BE A NEED TO WAIVE THE FIRST READING. MADAM MAYOR, THIS WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE. COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ITEM. SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER. YES, MA'AM. DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM PLANNING AND ZONING? MR. JONES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME ON? DIRECTOR SMITH WILL. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR SMITH, HOW YOU DOING? GOOD EVENING. THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION IN THE COMMUNITY. WAS THERE A MEETING HELD WITH THIS COMMUNITY, WITH THE DEVELOPER, ABOUT WHAT THE DEVELOPER PROPOSES TO DO? YES. THE COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION MEETING TOOK PLACE ON SEPTEMBER 16TH VIA ZOOM PLATFORM, AND THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY SIX COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ATTENDANTS THAT SPOKE IN REFERENCE TO THIS CASE. AT THAT TIME. DID THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS EXPRESSED THEIR DISAPPROVAL? YES, THEY DID SO. ALSO TRADITIONALLY TO THE DEVELOPER WOULD GO TO HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION MEETINGS OR HOMEOWNER CLUB MEETINGS TO DISCUSS IT BEFORE THEY BROUGHT IT TO PLANNING AND ZONING. DO WE KNOW IF THAT OCCURRED? IN THIS CASE, YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT. I'M UNSURE IF THAT HAPPENED OR NOT.

THE COMMUNITY'S ENGAGEMENT IS HAS BEEN SATISFIED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY'S ZONING INFORMATION MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO SAY THIS, AND THEN I'LL YIELD MY TIME. I RESPECT THE YOUNG LADIES EFFORT AND HER ENTREPRENEURIAL ISM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S CHANGED. I THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT FIT IN THAT AREA. THOSE HOMES ARE LONG STANDING HOMES WITH NICE LOTS.

THOSE PEOPLE KEEP THEIR LAWNS MANICURED AND THEY KEEP THEIR COMMUNITY CLEAN AND SAFE. AND THIS I ADMIRE HER SPIRIT, BUT IT'S JUST THE WRONG PROPERTY. YOU CAN'T PUT TOWNHOMES ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT SIT ON ALMOST AN ACRE LOT, AND SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS REZONING FOR THAT FACT. COUNCILMEMBER. FREELY. THANK YOU. A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, MISS SMITH. I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED IN YOUR IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, DID STAFF AND COMMISSION RECOMMEND DENIAL OR WAS IT SPLIT STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE. APPLICATION PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF BOTH ITEMS, BOTH THE REZONING AND THE VARIANCE REQUEST. OKAY. AND CAN YOU JUST QUICKLY GO OVER THE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPROVAL WAS SORT OF HINGED ON FOR STAFF? IN REFERENCE TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THE FIRST CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THE REZONING, BASED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, WHICH ALLOWS THE USE OF 6 TO 8 UNITS PER ACRE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO CONSIST OF NO MORE THAN SIX DWELLING UNITS, BASED ON THE SITE BEING A LITTLE UNDER AN ACRE OF 0.73

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PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. CONDITION NUMBER TWO A MINIMUM LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH EVERGREEN PLANTING SHALL BE INSTALLED ALONG PROPERTY LINES ADJOINING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX LANDSCAPE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. CONDITION NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLETED INFILL PROCESS PURSUANT TO ARTICLE J BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND IT SHALL BE REVIEWED BY PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR COMPATIBILITY WITH NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER CONDITION NUMBER FOUR. BASED ON THE APPLICANTS SUBMITTED SITE PLAN, STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM 6 TO 3FT, AS IT WOULD NO LONGER BE NEEDED BASED ON CONDITION NUMBER ONE.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, FOR CONDITION NUMBER ONE, AND BASED ON THE PROPERTY NOT BEING QUITE AN ACRE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WOULD BE NO MORE THAN SIX. I THINK THE NUMBER THE MAXIMUM NUMBER WAS 5.84 UNITS PER ACRE. SO GIVEN THAT. WHAT HAPPENED? SO GIVEN THAT THE APPLICANT IS STILL INTENDING TO DO EIGHT UNITS. DOES YOUR WOULD YOUR APPROVAL STILL STAND? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT POINT. THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTED AFTER STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THIS, WE STAND ON PROVIDING A CONDITION TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF UNITS AT SIX. OKAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. HELLO. HELLO. THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO BASED ON THAT QUESTION JUST NOW. SO ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO SIX UNITS OR ARE YOUR YOUR ONLY INTENDING TO STICK WITH THE EIGHT. YEAH I AM PREPARED TO DO SIX UNIT IF IT COMES DOWN TO THAT. THE REASON FOR THE EIGHT WAS DUE TO THE AMENITIES AVAILABLE. SO THERE WERE MINIMUM BASE UNIT BASE TWO AMENITIES. SO IF YOU WERE ABLE TO DO NINE AMENITIES THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO 30% DENSITY BONUS.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE EIGHT CAME FROM. BUT YES, I AM PREPARED TO DO SIX IF IT THAT'S RECOMMENDED.

YES. AND THEN I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH THE COMMENTS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THESE ARE THESE WOULD BE TOWNHOMES FOR PURCHASE OR FOR RENTAL DUE TO THE ECONOMY AT THIS POINT, THE BEST OPTION IS ACTUALLY RENTAL LONG TERM RENTAL. YES. OKAY. WELL. SORRY. CAN I ADD THAT THE REASON BEING BECAUSE TODAY AND AGE, THE AVERAGE HOME ANNUAL PERCENTAGE IS WELL OVER 6%. SO AT THIS TIME I'M NOT LOOKING TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT AFFORDABLE LIVING FOR INDIVIDUALS AT MARKET RATE. AVERAGE HOUSES RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 3.75 TO $400,000 PER YEAR.

I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, $400,000 PURCHASE. SO THIS IS THE REASON FOR THE RENTAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE FOR MOST PEOPLE TO PURCHASE THESE HOMES AT THESE PRICES WITH THESE INTEREST RATES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN WHAT IS YOUR RATIONALE FOR THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES? IT DOES SEEM LIKE A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER. WELL, THE RATIONALE AND IT COULD BE REDUCED, BUT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST FOR COMFORT FOR COMFORT LIVING. IT WAS NOTHING EXTRA FOR ANY AIRBNB USAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT IS A FOUR BEDROOM, THREE BATHROOM AND IT'S ONLY ONE GARAGE. SO PARKING IS ACTUALLY THAT RECOMMENDED AMOUNT. APARTMENT PARKING WAS TO REDUCE ANY, I GUESS, MAYBE GUESTS OR RESIDENTS TO BE PARKING ACTUALLY ON RIDGECREST LANE TO WITH WITHSTAND PEOPLE PARKING IN THE AREA AND NOT SPILLING OFF INTO THE STREET. THAT'S WHY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED. AND LAST QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW, THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE FOR STAFF, BUT I THAT STRETCH OF HEADLAND, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS. CORRECT. AND I HAVEN'T DROPPED THERE IS ON THAT STRETCH. YES. THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON HEADLAND DRIVE. YES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO FIRST THERE WAS NO MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY SPOKE.

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SECONDLY, THE ENTRANCE IS ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE ON RIDGECREST LANE, WHICH WOULD BE A HUGE IMPACT ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT WILL ALSO CAUSE PROBLEMS IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD TO GET IN BECAUSE IT WOULD IT'S IT WOULD LITERALLY BE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. AND THAT IS ACTUALLY RIGHT IN THE BACK OF ME. AND FORMER MAYOR PITTMAN IS CORRECT.

HAROLD WILLIAMS LIVED ON THAT STREET FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND HE WOULD BE RIGHT DOWN HERE SPEAKING OUT ABOUT IT. AND ALSO FOR THAT MANY PARKING SPOTS, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. YES, THERE IS A GARAGE, BUT THERE ARE FOUR ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS WHICH BE 40, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY BE 40 PARKING SPACES. WHETHER THERE'S RENTAL AIRBNB, IT WOULD BE. THAT'S NOT A GOOD FIT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR THAT LOT. AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY AND ACTUALLY THAT AREA ALSO IS A OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT'S ALLOWED AND NOT ALLOWED. AND WHAT IS R3 IS ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS THE BEHIND THE FAMILY DOLLAR THAT IS R3 ON THAT SIDE IS R1. SO YOU HAVE IN THE BACK OF THAT IS BARBARA J.

REALTORS, THAT LITTLE STORE AND THEN THE PAWN SHOP WHICH IS AT HELEN AND BELOW EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THAT ON RIDGECREST IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUILDING APARTMENTS FOR RENTAL, THERE'S A HIGH TURNOVER RATE FOR RENTALS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A ROOMING HOUSE. AND THERE ARE ILLEGAL ROOMING HOUSES ALREADY. TWO ARE UNDER 2257 AND 2267. AND I TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME. AND THEN THERE WAS AN ILLEGAL ROOMING HOUSE RIGHT THERE ON RIDGECREST, WHICH CAUSED A PROBLEM FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THIS WILL CAUSE A EVEN BIGGER PROBLEM. SO AND I HAD THAT CONVERSATION, AND I HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY, WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC. THEY HAVE TO SEE WHAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON. AND THEY HAVE THEY ARE NOT THEY. AND IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT CHANGE. SO TO SAY THAT TO THEM IS KIND OF INSULTING BECAUSE PEOPLE CHANGE EVERY DAY. THINGS CHANGE, BUT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY WANT AND THEY COMMUNITY AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY HOW THEY FEEL IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND BASICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING SOMETHING, BUT IF YOU HAVE ALL THIS PARKING, WHERE IS THE AMENITIES GOING TO GO? BECAUSE IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE LOT, IT'S NOT THAT BIG BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT VACANT LOT, WHICH IS ON HELEN, AND BELOW THAT IT BACKS UP TO WITH THOSE APARTMENT WAS SO THAT LOT IS NOT REALLY, REALLY THAT THAT HUGE WHERE YOU CAN PUT ALL THIS EDITOR. SO FOR ME, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREET SAY. AND, AND FROM WHAT I SEE ON THAT CORNER LOT, IT'S A NO. AND ALSO SO IF YOU MAILED IT OUT TO EVERYONE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET A NOTICE AND I'M ON THE LOW AND I'M SURE THE PEOPLE ON THE LOW DIDN'T GET IT. BUT BUT FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES ON NEELY DRIVE, THAT GOT THE NOTICE AND THE RESIDENTS CAME DOWN HERE AND SAID THEY DIDN'T GET DIDN'T GET A NOTICE, THEN SOMETHING IS WRONG. BUT I'LL YIELD TO SEE WHAT ANYONE ELSE HAS TO SAY. COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL, YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I DIDN'T CATCH IT QUITE EARLIER. HOW MUCH ARE YOU CHARGING FOR THESE UNITS? FOR RENTAL? YES, IT'D BE MARKET RATE. SO DEPENDING ON THE TIME, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1800 AND 2200. OKAY. AND YES, I'M CURIOUS TOO WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. LOOK LIKE. COULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT PLEASE. SO THE COMMUNICATION WAS THROUGH THE VIRTUAL. WELL. FLIERS WERE SENT OUT TO EACH PERSON WITHIN 500FT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND WE HAD ATTENDEES VIRTUALLY ONLINE WHERE I PRESENT IT, AND

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WE HAD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACT, AND ALSO TO BECAUSE. PRETTY MUCH I CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AND MAILED IT OUT TO ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL. AND MISS SHARON STROPE ALSO AT THE LAST MINUTE, SHE PULLED ME ASIDE AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE RECEIVED IT IN THE MAIL ALSO, AND SHE SAID SHE ALSO RECEIVED CALLS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ASKING FOR MORE FEEDBACK AND MORE CLARIFICATION OF THE. THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THAT THEY RECEIVED. ACTUALLY. SO ME AND HER WERE IN EMAILING AND COMMUNICATION. I EXCHANGED COMMUNICATION WITH HER SO WE CAN SET UP ACTUALLY A SECONDARY SLASH THIRD MEETING TO KIND OF COMMUNICATE MORE WITH PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS BEING MAILED OUT TO THEM. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THAT THIRD MEETING TOGETHER. THANK YOU. AND YOU DID PURCHASE THIS LAND, CORRECT? YES. I'M ON MY MIC NOW.

DID YOU DO ANY RESEARCH ON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR ANY OTHER USE OF THE LAND, ANY OTHER USE OF THE LAND SINCE ANY OTHER USE OF THE LAND BESIDES, I MEAN. YEAH, WELL I IT IS. YES. SINGLE FAMILY. YES. SO THESE WOULD, THESE WOULD BE CONSIDERED TOWNHOMES. YES. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY OF THE I GUESS WHEN YOU SAY HOUSING DIVERSITY, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE I'M HEARING IS THEY DON'T WANT TOWNHOME ESTHETICS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HAVE YOU RESEARCH LIKE A, LIKE A I'M A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. WELL IT'S NOT A TOWNHOME. I, I DID DO SOME RESEARCH. WELL I'M, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T WANT TOWNHOMES BUT THESE ARE CONSIDERED SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED WITH A FOUR BEDROOM THREE BATH. THEY'RE NOT APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW. SO THEY'RE. YEAH THAT'S A DISTINCTION TO BE MADE. SO YES. SO IN OUR DEPARTMENTS. AND SO THE APPLICATION PROCESS, WILL YOU BE IN CHARGE OF DECIDING WHO. SO IS THERE. YES. BECAUSE I WON'T BE LIVING THERE AS WELL.

SO IT'S PERSONAL. AND HOW MUCH WOULD THEY HAVE TO MAKE I GUESS A YEAR. IS THERE A LIMIT OR A MINIMUM. SO TYPICALLY IT'S USUALLY TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE RENT. SO THE ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD PROBABLY WILL BE PROBABLY TOGETHER AT LEAST $50,000. IF YOU WANT A ROUGH ESTIMATE. AND THAT'S PROBABLY AT THE 18 BECAUSE BEFORE YOU SAID 1800 TO 2200. YES. OKAY.

AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. JUST FOR OUR DIRECTOR, MISS KIM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO I WAS TAKING NOTES EARLIER. SO. THEY WERE SAYING THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED THIS WITH CONDITIONS. AND EVEN DURING HER PRESENTATION, SHE WAS WITHDRAWING HER VARIANCE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT WAS NO LONGER NEEDED. IS THAT BECAUSE HE MET ALL THE CONDITIONS? THE VARIANCE FOR THE SETBACK WOULDN'T BE NEEDED IF SHE ABIDED BY CONDITION NUMBER ONE, WHICH WOULD CAP THE NUMBER OF UNITS AT NO MORE THAN SIX. OKAY, SO I THINK SHE ALSO STATED IN HER PRESENTATION THAT SEASON FOR COMPLIANCE. I GUESS IF SHE MOVES THE CAPACITY DOWN TO WHAT, SIX UNITS? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THAT WAS THE ONLY THING. THAT'S WHAT THE VARIANCE WAS FOR. SHE DID SAY THAT SHE WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH MULTIPLE THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO STAND BY OUR STAFF REPORT AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED. I WOULD SAY THAT STAFF WOULDN'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED, THAT SHE STATED SHE WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH. I THINK THE EASIEST WAY IS JUST TO STAND ON WHAT WE STATED IN OUR IN OUR I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION, BECAUSE SHE WENT POINT BY POINT AND KIND OF REBUTTED, I GUESS, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, OR WOULD THEY SAY IT WAS WRONG? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT STANDS OUT TO YOU THAT WAS NOT CORRECT? WHEN SHE STATED THAT SHE WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UNITS PER ACRE, THAT WAS INCORRECT AS FAR

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AS STAFF IS CONCERNED. AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING OFF THE TOP, BUT THERE WERE SOME ITEMS IN THERE. AS STATED, THE EASIEST THING THAT I CAN STATE IS THAT WE STAND BY THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED IN OUR STAFF ANALYSIS. OKAY. THANK YOU, I YIELD. COUNCILMEMBER.

YES, THANK YOU, MISS MISS SMITH, IF YOU WOULD STAY THERE, PLEASE. IN THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGNATION OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. IT IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER DESIGNATION. YES. IS THAT CORRECT WHAT YOU STATED? YES. OKAY. AND THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE OUR SPEAKER NUMBER ONE, MISS ABERNATHY, SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT IT WAS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER OR IS THAT ADJACENT TO OR IS IT A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION? IF YOU SEE IN THE CORNER OF THE IF YOU IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, YES. FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION, THERE'S A SMALL TRIANGULAR CORNER THAT IS DESIGNATED AS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL IN PINK.

OKAY. AND THAT CLIPS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE CORNER. YES, YES. SO THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THE MIX. I HAVE EVERYBODY IN, I THINK I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS, COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER, COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS. BUT IF EVERYBODY CAN BE AND KEEP GOING ON, SHE'S IN THE COUNCIL MEMBER WILL BE ROUND TWO. ONCE I GO THROUGH EVERYONE. BUT IF YOU ALL CAN DESELECT YOUR LIGHTS BECAUSE IT'S TRIGGERING AND GOING IN AND OUT, GO AHEAD.

COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS. THANK YOU. SO OVER 90% OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IS A PART OF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AS A PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP, BECAUSE OF THE VERY ICONIC HEADLAND AND INTERSECTION, THAT PARTICULAR NODE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MOST LIKELY ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT'S DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OKAY. AND I SEE THAT THIS IS AN ENLARGED AREA OF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. SO WHAT I WAS REALLY ALSO WANTING TO KNOW IS WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL BOUNDARIES OF THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER NODE. DO YOU HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS THE BOUNDARIES OF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER? WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO PULL IT UP FOR YOU.

OKAY.

THAT IS ALL THAT'S IN THE BLUE. THAT WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.

YES. OKAY. AND WITH THIS BEING DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IN THE PART OF THE

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COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP, THE PROCESS FOR DEVELOPING THE COMPREHENSIVE OR BUILDING THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP. IT GOES THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS, IT GOES THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING. AND IT ALSO COMES TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND I'M ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND FOR THE RECORD, JUST TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ADMINISTRATIVELY DONE, THE ADMINISTRATION JUST SIMPLY DOES NOT SAY THIS IS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND IT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. IT GOES THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS. YES IT DOES. OKAY. AND IN DECIDING WHAT WAS GOING TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER AND ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC, WAS IT THE COMMERCIAL AREA AT HEADLAND AND THAT HELPED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. AND I SAW THAT OF THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER R3 IS ONE OF THOSE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU WOULD GO BACK CLOSE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO PINK. IS THAT WHAT DESIGNATION IS THE LAND DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT? IT'S NOT THIS PARTICULAR MAP, MR. KELLY. IT WAS A DIFFERENT MAP.

I THINK IT WAS THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY FOR THE THE SURROUNDING ZONING. TO THE NORTH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C-1 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

AND C-1 TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R1 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, AND TO THE WEST IS C TWO CONDITIONAL, WHICH IS OUR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH, COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH, COMMERCIAL TO THE WEST, AND R-1 TO THE EAST. YES. AND THERE'S A SMALL SLIVER THAT IS CONNECTED TO R3. OKAY. AND CAN YOU POINT THAT OUT, PLEASE? IT'S THE ORANGE. THAT ORANGE? YES, THERE IS R3. OKAY. IS THAT FACES THE LOW. RIGHT. OKAY. AND TOPOGRAPHICALLY, HOW DOES THE LAND SLOPE? I HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT STORMWATER RUNOFF. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IN WHICH DIRECTION THE LAND SLOPES. I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE ABOUT THE SLOPING ANYTHING DEALING WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE HANDLED AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT STAGE. AT THE REZONING STAGE, IT'S REALLY NOT TYPICALLY LOOKED INTO AT THAT. AT THIS STAGE, THE DETAILS OF SLOPING AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING. SO I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT THIS TIME. OKAY.

THANK YOU. CURB CUTS NOT ON HEADLAND. CORRECT. EXCUSE ME. CUTS CURB CUTS NOT ON HEADLAND.

THE PROPOSAL WAS REJECTED. THE PROPOSAL FOR THE CURB CUT OR ENTRY FOR THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED AT THE RIDGECREST LANE ENTRY. AND CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE AMENITIES FOR R3? I THINK THERE THERE THERE'S A CATEGORIES AND IT MAY BE A SIGN PERHAPS DIFFERENT AMENITIES. YOU'RE MAKING REFERENCE TO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. IT MAY BE THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. I MIGHT BE CONFUSED WITH THAT. IT MIGHT BE THE APPLICANT'S. I THINK THAT THIS IS IT HERE. AND SO I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAD STATED THAT THE PROPERTY OR SHE IS PROPOSING, I BELIEVE, NINE AMENITIES AND I WOULD NEED TO I WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT BUMPED UP AGAINST WHAT THE CATEGORIES ARE. IT SEEMED THAT SOME OF THEM WERE IN THE SAME CATEGORY. IF THEY'RE IN THE SAME CATEGORY, DOES IT COUNT AS AN INDIVIDUAL AMENITY OR A SINGLE AMENITY? I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. SO FOR INSTANCE, WHERE IT SAYS NUMBER ONE, POOL AND CABANA, IF THEY DO A POOL AND A CABANA, ARE THOSE TWO AMENITIES OR DOES THAT COUNT AS ONE AMENITY? THE POOL AND CABANA THAT WILL BE 1111 SECTION, ONE AMENITY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, THAT IT WAS THAT IT WOULD BE ONE OKAY, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE CALCULATION THAT THE APPLICANT WAS USING. I WASN'T ABLE TO LOOK AT THE AMENITIES THAT SHE MENTIONED AGAINST THE AMENITIES THAT ARE PART OF THE CODE, BECAUSE I THINK IT COULD GIVE HER MORE DENSITY INCREASES. BUT I THINK

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THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL AMENITIES THAT ARE IN THE SAME CATEGORY, WHICH SHOULD COUNT AS ONE BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE JUST TELLING ME. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD.

IT'S OF THE APPLICANT, ACTUALLY. THANK YOU. MISS JOHNSON, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE DIRECTION IN WHICH THE LAND SLOPES? AND I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION FOR VERY SPECIFIC REASON. STORMWATER ISSUES AND MITIGATING STORMWATER ISSUES ARE A SERIOUS MATTER. AND SO IF THE IF THE LAND IS SLOPING TOWARD PARTICULARLY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THEN THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE. SO DO YOU KNOW IN WHICH DIRECTION THE LAND SLOPES? UNFORTUNATELY, NO, I DO NOT. THAT'S SOMETHING FOR PROBABLY CIVIL ENGINEER. BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS DURING PERMITTING, STORMWATER IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS MORE THAN A 5000 IMPERVIOUS SECTIONING. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS TO EVEN BE PERMITTED BECAUSE STORMWATER IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE IT'S IT'S ABOVE 5000FTā– . SO THAT WOULD BE HANDLED AT.

PERMITTING LAND DEVELOPMENT PERMITTING. OKAY. AND I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION YOU CAN CORRECT ME, PLEASE, IF YOU NEED TO. IS THIS YOUR FIRST PROJECT? IT IS OKAY. AND THE REASON THAT I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE I DO HAVE A LEVEL OF CONCERN AROUND PROPERTIES WHERE IT'S NOT FEE SIMPLE FOR SALE. AND SO MAKING SURE THAT THE PROPERTY MAINTAINS AN ESTHETIC AND UPKEEP. AND IF IT IS MULTIFAMILY WITH SIX UNITS OR EIGHT UNITS, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE ALWAYS ADDRESSED, CODE IS ALWAYS ADDRESSED. IT'S A CONCERN IF IT'S PARTICULARLY YOUR FIRST PROJECT, WHICH IS THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN. IT IS MY FIRST DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, BUT I HAVE A STRONG TEAM WITH MANY YEARS. I ALSO HAVE MY OWN PROJECT MANAGEMENT. EXPERIENCES AS WELL.

AND BEFORE I ACTUALLY PURCHASED THIS LAND, I HAD A SMALL DUPLEX IN COLLEGE PARK WHERE I LIVED, AND I STARTED MANAGING THAT AS WELL. SO I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH MANAGING TENANTS AND ALSO OPERATING SMALL AND MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS. YES. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS, AS IT RELATES TO REZONING, I GENERALLY DON'T SUPPORT REZONING REQUESTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY CONFLICT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY HERITAGE PARK AND ACROSS FROM THAT COMMUNITY IS SAVANNAH WALK, AND I'M SURE AT THE TIME, APPROXIMATELY 25 YEARS AGO, WHEN COUNCIL, THE THEN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THEY VOTED TO REZONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FORETHOUGHT TO THINK ABOUT THE AIRPORT OPERATING NOW 24 SEVEN.

THE TRAFFIC THAT IS ON THE TWO LANE ROAD, OR JUST THE IMPACT THAT BEING IN AN INDUSTRIAL SPACE HAS ON THE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. SO I AM ALWAYS JUST LEERY ABOUT GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN WHEN IT COMES, WHEN IT COMES IN REFERENCE TO HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS.

I CAN'T JUST IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS REZONING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

ZIEGLER. YES. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT WHAT AMENITIES WERE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING IN? SO IN THE CATEGORY I KNOW THIS IS FROM THE R3 ZONING. IT DOES STATE THAT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THESE, BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME AMENITIES. AND I DO WANT TO KIND OF POINT OUT. COUNCILMAN ADKINS WITH THE POINT THAT HE WAS MAKING, AS FAR AS WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED IN THE SAME CATEGORY, I GUESS

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WE MIGHT NEED MORE CLARIFICATION FOR THAT, BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL AMENITIES AND IS NOT LIMITED TO THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY PERMITTING WOULD HAVE TO SAY YAY OR NAY TO THIS, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IN THE AREA. AND IT'S BECAUSE IT IS A SMALL COMMUNITY. IT'S ONLY EIGHT UNITS. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A 50 OR 60 OR 80 UNIT COMMUNITY. SO POOL WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT SMALL THINGS LIKE THIS WOULD ADD TO THE COMMUNITY FEEL AND COMMUNITY WALK OF LIFE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING BACK UP. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION, ACTUALLY, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER, I KNOW YOU. I KNOW YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT WHICH SHE ASKED YOU THE QUESTION ABOUT THE AMENITIES, BUT YOU STILL DIDN'T SAY. I MEAN, FROM THAT LIST, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THERE? I MEAN, I KNOW THERE WAS A LIST THAT WAS THERE. WHAT? WHAT FROM THAT LIST ARE YOU CONSIDERING TO PUT THERE? YEAH. SO THESE ARE AND AGAIN IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THESE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING FOR SURE. I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS BUT THESE ARE EXAMPLES. ENHANCED LANDSCAPING BENCHES ARCHITECTURAL LIGHTING BIKE RACKS GAZEBOS HAMMOCK I KNOW THAT'S THE LIST, BUT WHAT ARE YOU PICKING OFF OF THIS? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THESE NINE RIGHT HERE PROBABLY WOULD BE THE MOST IDEAL, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING. SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT. BUT AS FAR AS THESE, THESE WERE NINE ADEQUATE ONES THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE NICE FOR THE PROPERTY. SO YOU YOU'RE PREPARED TO DO THESE NINE. YES. OKAY. AND. I KNOW WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT WITH THE COMMUNITY I KNOW THEY WERE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON WHO RECEIVED THE TRAFFIC STUDY. NO. DID YOU HAVE DID YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING? I KNOW THE COMMUNITY MET AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, BUT DID YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS IN RIDGECREST WAS. YES. WELL, YOU SAID YEAH, WE DID HAVE A MEETING. THE VIRTUAL MEETING WE DID HAVE. AND THEN I PUT OUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE THE CONCERN WAS TRAFFIC.

OKAY. AND HOW WAS THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS SAID THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE IT. WAS IT WAS IT MAILED TO TO EACH RESIDENT OR. YES, IT WAS MAILED, BUT THEY'RE STATING THEY DIDN'T SEE IT. RIGHT. BUT THEY. ALRIGHT. WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH UNIT? 1836, 1836 AND I KNOW YOU SAID, JUST WITH THIS DAY AND TIME, JUST THE PRICE, HAVE YOU? SO IT WAS YOU NEVER CONSIDERED SELLING ANY OF THE UNITS. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE CLIMATE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH, BUT I MEAN, STILL PEOPLE ARE STILL BUYING HOUSES, TOWNHOMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO. WELL, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE. NO. BUT I WAS LOOKING TO DO RENTAL BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFER. BUT YES, THEY'RE DEFINITELY UP TO QUALITY TO DO TO SELL AS WELL. OKAY. NOW I KNOW THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS TO DO THE EIGHT UNITS. YOU SAID YOU CONSIDER SIX. YEAH. BUT BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA, HAD YOU NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BUILDING, I THINK TWO TWO HOMES ON THOSE LOTS OR PUTTING A HOME THERE INSTEAD. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD YOU SAID I KNOW THAT YOU WANTED TO LIVE IN ONE OF THE TOWNHOMES, BUT DID YOU NOT EVEN CONSIDER I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND GETTING THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. I DO, BUT STILL, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IN THAT COMMUNITY, WHAT WHAT WHAT IS EXISTING THERE IN THAT COMMUNITY, WAS THAT NEVER A CONSIDERATION FOR YOU TO PUT ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME FOR MYSELF? YOU COULD HAVE DONE I MEAN, THE LOT I MEAN, IF, IF ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, IF YOU COULD HAVE PUT TWO HOMES THERE WAS THAT NEVER A CONSIDERATION FOR YOU TWO HOMES? NO. OKAY. JUST JUST FROM A BUILDING STANDPOINT POINT. AND TO BE HONEST, FOR MY POCKETS, IT WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE. I KNOW IT SOUNDS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE, BUT IT'S MORE FEASIBLE FOR ME TO BUILD MORE THAN LESS, HONESTLY SPEAKING. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. AND SO I DID ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT SO IT'S NOT 100% OFF THE TABLE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER SELLING THE UNITS. I KNOW, I KNOW, YOUR THING RIGHT NOW IS TO RENT THE UNITS. YEAH, THAT IS, BUT I'M VERY FLEXIBLE, LIKE I CAN YEAH. IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE JUST AND I DON'T KNOW YOU MAY NOT KNOW EXACTLY, BUT BALLPARK. BALLPARK FOR WHAT WOULD BE YOUR LIST PRICE FOR THE TOWNHOMES IF THEY WERE FOR SALE. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE OF THE MARKET, IT WOULD HAVE TO START AT AT 375 MINIMUM, PROBABLY. OKAY. AND ONE MORE THING I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE WITH THE PARKING SPACES.

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AND JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT FOUR BEDROOM UNITS AND THERE'S ONLY 1A1 CAR GARAGE, RIGHT FROM HOW I THINK, WHEN I LOOKED AT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SCHEMATICS OF HOW IT WAS SET UP, WOULD THERE BE PARKING? I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOWS OR DEPICTS. IT'S KIND OF SMALL. YES. SO THAT GREEN AREA THAT'S THAT'S THE BUFFER IS THAT. YEAH. THAT'S KIND OF JUST KIND OF SHOWING WHERE THE PARKING PAD WOULD BE AT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE, THE WHITE PART, I SEE THE LITTLE GREEN THINGS THERE. THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE TO THE CARPORT I MEAN TO THE. YEAH. GARAGES BECAUSE WE KIND OF WANTED TO ABIDE BY THE REAR PARKING DESIGN FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER. SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THAT. SO TOWARDS THE BACK ARE THOSE GOING TO BE THE ARE THOSE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES? NO THE FOUR THE FOUR WOULD BE RIGHT AT EACH UNIT. SO THE ONE CAR GARAGE AND THEN THE THE THE GREEN THAT YOU SEE. YES. THAT IS NOT SHADED IN BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SHOWING THE PARKING PAD. AND I THINK I WANT TO SHOW YOU A BETTER REAR VIEW OF HOW IT WOULD LOOK. OKAY. SO GOING INTO THE GARAGE AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE. YEAH. THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. YEAH. AND THIS IS JUST FOR I'M THE PARKING CAN BE LOWERED THAN FOR. BUT IT WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PARKING SPILLING OVER INTO THE STREET. OKAY. THANK YOU. I YIELD, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I WAS ACTUALLY GIVEN THE NOTICE ON MONDAY AT WORK SESSION WHEN I RECEIVED THE LETTER IN THE MAIL AND ON BEFORE WE GOT HERE ON MONDAY, I RECEIVED A CALL. A CALL, ACTUALLY, WE GOT AN EMAIL BECAUSE WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL TODAY FROM A RESIDENT WHO HAD ATTENDED THE MEETING. AND WE HAD CONVERSATION AND I ASKED, HAD YOU MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND IT WAS STATED THAT THERE WERE NO THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT AREA. AND I BELIEVE I SAID IT IS. AND. YES, WE TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE FROM THE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE RESIDENT WHO WERE AGAINST IT AND THEY SPOKE, AND THEN THE OTHER RESIDENT THAT CALLED ME THAT SATURDAY IN REFERENCE TO IT BEFORE I GOT HERE ON MONDAY AND RECEIVED, I GUESS, WHAT IS CALLED A TRAFFIC STUDY OR WHATEVER IT WAS THAT I RECEIVED ON MONDAY. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY. THIS IS NOT GOING TO FIT. WHAT'S THERE IS NOT COMPATIBLE TO THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THE AREA, AND NO ONE IS AGAINST BUILDING. AND THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THE AMENITIES. WERE THERE NO ROOMS FOR ANY AMENITIES BECAUSE THE LOT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH, SO THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANY AMENITIES. AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING IT, IT JUST BASICALLY GOES WITH THE APARTMENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING, THE BENCH, THE WALKING. YOU ALREADY HAVE SIDEWALKS ON HEALING A BIKE RAIL. THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU BUILD. IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS, OH WELL, THEN I YIELD. THANK YOU. YEAH. JUST JUST BRIEFLY. I, THE MISS JONES INDICATED THAT THIS IS A SMALL DEVELOPMENT. IT MAY BE SMALL FOR YOU, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE, THIS WOULD HAVE A LARGE IMPACT ON THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND IN THE SEATS THAT WE SIT IN, WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS, OUR SUPERVISORS, OVER BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT DESIRES. AND OFTENTIMES WE TRY TO COME UP WITH A WIN WIN, BUT WE HAVE TO LEAD WITH ENSURING THAT WE'RE DOING ALL THAT WE CAN TO MINIMIZE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. WE HAVE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS IN OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE SAID WE WANT MORE DENSITY, WE WANT AN URBAN FEEL WE WANT, AND THAT'S MORE IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. EVEN THE RESIDENTS OR THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND DOWNTOWN HAVE

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RESIDENTIAL ZONING BECAUSE THOSE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE URBAN CORE.

BUT IN THE URBAN CORE IS WHERE WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON DENSITY AND ALLOWING MORE DENSITY. THIS AREA IS R1, VERY RESIDENTIAL. THERE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE SUBSTANTIAL ACREAGE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST REALLY A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A PLACE THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ENVISIONED ALLOWING DENSITY. AND SO WHILE EIGHT UNITS MIGHT NOT SEEM A LOT TO YOU, HOW LARGE IS THIS LOT? HOW LARGE IS THE LAND? AS A LITTLE LESS THAN AN ACRE. SO EIGHT UNITS ON LESS THAN AN ACRE. YEAH. WE HAVE SOME HOMES THAT ARE ON AN ACRE. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, APPLIED YOUR ENTREPRENEURIAL ISM AND WANTING TO DEVELOP. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN PEOPLE CHOOSE TO COME TO CITIES THAT YOU LOOK AT WHAT EXISTS AND YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CHARACTER AND THE FEEL THAT'S THERE AND KIND OF RESPECT THAT. BECAUSE WHEN WE GET HERE, OUR SUPERVISORS COME AND THEY TELL US HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A LEGAL I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE MET ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE'S ALSO A DUTY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT WE HAVE WE DO ALLOW, AS I SAID, DENSITY IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY AND PLACES WHERE WE DO WANT THIS KIND OF DENSITY AND EVEN HIGHER DENSITY. RIGHT. BUT IF WE START TO ALLOW PROLIFERATION OF DENSITY TO SPREAD INTO OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, I DON'T THINK EASTPOINT IS A CITY THAT IS LOOKING TO GROW TO 100,000 RESIDENTS. I THINK OUR SWEET SPOT IS PROBABLY AROUND 50,000. BUT IF WE START ALLOWING DENSITY LIKE THIS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THEN WE END UP IN A POSITION OR IN A SPACE WHERE THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT ENVISIONED THAT WE GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PLANS THAT WE HAVE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY CHALLENGING TO WANT TO PUT EIGHT UNITS WITH FOUR BEDROOMS IN EACH UNIT ON LESS THAN AN ACRE, THAT'S POTENTIALLY 32 PEOPLE IF ONE PERSON IS IN EACH BEDROOM, PLUS FIVE PARKING SPACES. THAT'S A LOT ON ONE AREA OF LESS THAN AN ACRE OF LAND. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I SHARE MY FEEDBACK IN THIS. I MAY NOT GET TO VOTE. I ONLY VOTE IF THERE'S A TIE, BUT I SHARE AND JOIN IN WITH THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE DENSITY IN THIS AREA. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ZONED FOR THAT. IF IT WERE ZONED FOR THAT, THEN WE'D BE HAVING WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU'D ALREADY HAD THE ZONING AS A RIGHT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE CITY THAT ARE ZONED FOR HIGHER DENSITY. AND SO MAYBE LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT EXIST THERE, THAT. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER LIGHTS ON, I WILL GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. OH, LET ME SAY THIS. I'M SORRY, I DID INDICATE BEFORE WE STARTED THAT IF COUNCIL WANTED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS, A WAIVING OF THE FIRST READING WOULD BE REQUIRED.

HOWEVER, SINCE THE THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL ORDINANCE HAS NOT BEEN DRAFTED FOR COUNCIL. AND SO IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO APPROVE THIS, THEN THE FIRST FIRST READING WOULD NEED TO BE HELD SO THAT AN ORDINANCE CAN BE DRAFTED TO BE READ FOR THIS. BUT IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO DENY, ORDINANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY NEEDED FOR THAT BASED UPON THE PAST ACTION COUNCIL. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT A WAIVING OF THE FIRST READING IS NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED UNLESS COUNCIL PLANS TO TAKE ACTION ON THE ORDINANCE IN A MANNER THAT WOULD REQUIRE ORDINANCE BE APPROVED. COUNCILMAN SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO DENY. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED THAT WE ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION BY PLANNING AND ZONING TO DENY THE REZONING REQUEST AND CONCURRENT VARIANCE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT UP IS, CAN I GET A MOTION TO

[VIII.2. Ordinance for Use Permit Application, Petition P2025u-004-08 Applicant Richard Winfrey Request for Habitable Accessory Structure Per Section 10-2130 Zoning Code Located at 2478 Wood Hill Lane (PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED)]

OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE FOR SPECIAL FOR SHOULD BE SPECIAL USE PERMIT

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FOR APPLICANT RICHARD WINFREY. REQUEST FOR HABITABLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PER SECTION TEN DASH 2130, LOCATED AT 2478 WOODHILL LANE. IS THERE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED.

IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, MR. JONES.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF. THANK YOU. MAYOR. COUNCIL. I'LL HAVE DIRECTOR SMITH WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. IN REFERENCE TO PROPER CASE NUMBER P2025U-00408.

PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2478 WOOD HILL LANE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A USE PERMIT FOR A HABITABLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PURSUANT TO SECTION TEN 2130. PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THREE CONDITIONS. THE FIRST CONDITION. APPLICANT SHALL ADHERE TO ALL APPLICABLE STATE AND CITY CODES. STRUCTURE MUST MEET MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF HABITABLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PURSUANT TO SECTION TEN 2130, THE ZONING CODE AND THE MOST RECENT INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE WITH CURRENT STATE AMENDMENTS. CONDITION NUMBER TWO, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SHALL HAVE FINAL REVIEW OF APPROVAL, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. PURSUANT TO CITY CODES AND GUIDELINES AND CONDITION NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT AND OWNERS MUST RESIDE IN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE OR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS SUBJECT LOCATION AND ADHERE TO ALL CITY SHORT TERM RENTAL GUIDELINES AND PROVISIONS. THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF OUR PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU, MADAM CITY CLERK, YOU CAN START THE CLOCK. THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME AND SPEAK.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL STAFF. IN THIS CASE FOR 2470 WOODHILL LANE. I AM REPRESENTING THE OWNER, ROBIN SHIP. SHE'S A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF EASTPOINT. SHE IS WISHING TO PUT THIS HABITABLE STRUCTURE IN HER PROPERTY SO THAT SHE COULD LIVE IN THE STRUCTURE. AND HER FAMILY STAYS IN THE MAIN HOUSE. SHE DID SAY THAT I COULD SHARE THIS. SHE'S DOING THIS PRIMARILY FOR HEALTH REASONS, TO BE CLOSE TO HER FAMILY AND ALSO LIVE ON HER PROPERTY. SO WHEN SHE CAME TO ME TO ASSIST HER IN THIS PROJECT, WE MET ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE REQUIRED BY PLANNING FOR THIS PARTICULAR ZONING PROCESS, AS WELL AS ALL THE CITY GUIDELINES. THE COMPANY THAT I HAVE, WE DO ZONING, PERMITTING, DESIGN, SO WE PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR HER, AND WE CAME UP WITH THE DESIGN, THE LOCATION, THE ELEVATIONS AND EVERYTHING. IN ACCORDANCE WITH EASTPOINT, FROM PLANNING TO PERMITTING SPECIFICS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE PROPERTY, THE DESIGN OF THE HABITABLE STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE ON THE PROJECT. SO. I THINK HE HAD IT FROM THE OTHER MEETING. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. WHILE THEY'RE PULLING UP THE PRESENTATION STAFF, I DON'T SEE AN ORDINANCE FOR THIS ITEM. GO AHEAD, MR. WILSON. OKAY. YEAH.

THE ORDINANCE IS NOT IN PACKET ONLINE. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE THE MAIN HOUSE STRUCTURE IS THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE IS A BRICK HOME RANCH WITH A LOWER LEVEL BASEMENT. THE PROPERTY

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SLOPES FROM FRONT TO BACK. SO THE LOWER BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE STREET. IF YOU GO INTO THE BACKYARD OF THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LOWER LEFT SIDE THE HABITABLE STRUCTURE IS THE LOCATION. IT'S A 30 BY 15 STRUCTURE TOTALING 450FTā– !S. IT HAS ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH, EXCUSE ME, WITH A SMALL PORCH ON THE FRONT AREA. AGAIN, WE MADE SURE IT MET ALL REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE HABITABLE STRUCTURE ARE LESS AS FAR AS THE DENSITY FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. IT MEETS ALL THOSE ZONING REQUIREMENTS. THE LOCATION OF THE HABITABLE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE BUILDING AREA THAT WILL BE OBSERVED EVEN FURTHER DURING THE PERMIT PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT'S IT.

ON THE ACTUAL LOCATION, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SITE PLAN? THIS IS THE INTERIOR DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE BEDROOM WITH CLOSETS. THERE IS A SMALL OFFICE AREA. THE BATHROOM IS IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN THE LIVING DEN KITCHEN AREA IS ALL ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AND AGAIN THE PORCH STRUCTURE IS AT THE TOP IN THE FRONT.

ONE MORE. ELEVATION FOR. IN THE LAST PHOTO WAS THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE. THE HOME IS AN ORIGINAL BRICK STRUCTURE. WHAT IS NOT SHOWN ON HERE IS A WATER TABLE. THE SIDING WOULD BE THE EXTERIOR WITH A WATER TABLE OF BRICK THAT WILL MATCH THE EXISTING HOME AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. THE HOME WAS BUILT IN THE 50S 60S, SO THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL OF THE HABITABLE STRUCTURE. SO AND AGAIN, WE CHECKED ALL THE GUIDELINES AND PERMITTING ITEMS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE OBSERVED AFTER THIS PHASE. AND THAT ENDS THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE DESIRING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION? ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION FOR A USE PERMIT FOR 2478 WOODHILL LANE FOR HABITABLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR HAVING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 2478 WOODHILL LANE. I'M SORRY, MA'AM. YEAH. IN FAVOR OR AGAINST? IN FAVOR. OKAY. WE'RE STILL ON. IN FAVOR. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THAT STAFF MAY HAVE WITH THE GENTLEMAN HERE. SINCE WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT HOUSES AND C AND D HAVE THEIR OWN, SUBDIVISION WOULD BE A STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT WILL FIGURE GREATLY IF YOU'RE BUILDING A SECOND STRUCTURE. IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE CITY'S STORMWATER SYSTEM AND THE RESIDENT HAS THESE PIPES IN THE FRONT YARD OF WHEREVER THEY ARE NOT ON THE CITY, THAT CAN REALLY RUN THE COST UP A BUILDING THAT ON THAT PROPERTY, A SECONDARY RESIDENCE. AND I AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE WITH THAT. AND I KNOW THAT CREEK, WE HAVE CREEKS ALL OVER

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THE PLACE. I'M FINDING THAT I WENT BACK AND SEARCHED THAT, BUT THE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING ABOUT A STATE, ABOUT THE STORMWATER, THE CITY STORMWATER SYSTEM. IS THERE ANY ON THAT PROPERTY? IT AIN'T SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED SO THAT THE PERSON WHO'S GOING TO PUT THE HOUSE BACK THERE WILL NOT ALL AT ONCE HAVE TO STOP BUILDING TO START TO TRY TO GET HOOKED UP TO THE CITY OR DO ELSEWHERE THAT, I MEAN, THAT CAN REALLY COST MONEY. THANK YOU. THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR MAY COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. ANYONE DESIRE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? THE PUBLIC HEARING? ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST FOR A USE PERMIT FOR 2478 WOODHILL LANE FOR A HABITABLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. COME FORWARD. AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE? THERE A SECOND. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. SINCE THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, THERE IS. AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A USE PERMIT FOR HABITABLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PER SECTION TEN DASH 2130 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2478 WOODHILL LANE, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PARCEL NUMBER IN THE R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT, THE WAIVING OF THE FIRST READING WOULD BE NEEDED. FREELY. MADAM MAYOR MOVED TO WAIVE THE FIRST READING SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES ANY FURTHER ACTION ON THIS ITEM, COUNCIL MEMBER. OH, SORRY. DID YOU CALL ME OR BOTH OF YOUR. LIFELONG. COUNCIL MEMBER. ANY GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER. MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A USE PERMIT FOR A HABITABLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PER SECTION TEN DASH 2130 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2478 WOODHILL LANE, ALSO KNOWN AS PARCEL NUMBER ONE FOUR. EYESIGHT IS NOT GOOD. GREAT 14-019700020689. IN THE R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. COUNCILMEMBER FRIEDMAN, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS EVENING? WE HAVE 13 PUBLIC

[IX. PUBLIC COMMENTS]

COMMENTS THIS EVENING. THE PUBLIC MAY SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE AGENDA. THE CITY CLERK SHALL MAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT FORM AVAILABLE IN THE CITY HALL LOBBY. PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING. ALL SPEAKERS MUST COMPLETE A COMMENT FORM AND PROVIDE A COMPLETED COMMENT FORM TO THE CITY CLERK. BETWEEN 6 P.M. AND 6:25 P.M. PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING. SUBJECT MAY INCLUDE ANY SUBJECT OF CHOICE. THERE WILL BE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR EACH SPEAKER. SHOULD THE SPEAKER DESIRE TO GIVE HIS OR HER TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER, HE OR SHE MAY DO SO BY NOTATING WHAT SPEAKERS SHALL RECEIVE THE TIME ON HIS OR HER COMMENT FORM, PROVIDED THAT THE SPEAKER, GIVEN HIS OR HER FORM, THAT HE OR SHE GIVES ALL OR PART OF HIS OR HER TIME UP TO THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER, FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES OF SPEAKING TIME. SPEAKERS MAY ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ONLY ONCE DURING THIS TIME OF THE AGENDA. SPEAKERS MUST IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND THEIR ADDRESS PRIOR TO SPEAKING.

QUESTIONS FROM THE SPEAKERS MAY NOT BE ADDRESSED DURING THE PUBLIC SPEAKING SECTION OF THE AGENDA. EAST POINT RESIDENTS WILL HAVE PRIORITY OVER OTHER SPEAKERS. THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF NOT MORE THAN 60 MINUTES FOR THE PUBLIC SPEAKING SECTION OF THE AGENDA, SPEAKERS MAY ONLY ADDRESS THE PRESIDING OFFICER. SPEAKER SHALL OBSERVE ALL RULES OF DECORUM. NO DEBATE, DISRESPECT OR OBSCENITY SHALL BE TOLERATED. THE PRESIDING OFFICER SHALL RULE ANY SUCH INDIVIDUAL OUT OF ORDER THAT FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE FOREGOING. MADAM CITY CLERK, YOU MAY CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MISS BEVERLY GRANT.

GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND RESIDENTS OF EAST POINT. WHAT I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO SPEAK ON IS OUR. CHARTER STATIONS, WHERE

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THOSE TRASH CANS ARE, MOST OF THEM ARE OVERFLOWING, AND IT LOOKS REALLY BAD FOR THE CITY.

AND I DO WANT TO THANK THE EAST POINT POLICE DEPARTMENT. I WAS AT THE VILLAGE. I THINK THAT'S THE APARTMENTS, AND I HAD MY HEAD DOWN, BUT I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO MY DAUGHTER AND THEY CAME BECAUSE SOME, I GUESS, RESIDENT HAS SEEN ME AND THEY THOUGHT THAT I HAD PASSED OUT.

SO I WANT TO THANK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ACTING AND THANK THE RESIDENTS. EVERYTHING WAS OKAY. AND ALSO, OVER ON CAMP CREEK, OUR EXIT AND ENTRANCE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR THE DISABLED AND PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THEIR SCOOTERS AND MOTORIZED VEHICLES. IT'S A MESS OVER THERE. I WAS OVER THERE ONE SATURDAY AND A GENTLEMAN ACTUALLY GOT OUT OF HIS VEHICLE AND STOPPED THE TRAFFIC SO I COULD CROSS AT OUR STATION THERE. THAT EAST POINT PRECINCT THERE, THERE'S A BUS STOP, BUT THERE'S NO ENTRANCE OR EXIT POINT. SO ANYBODY THAT'S DISABLED, YOU CAN'T GET THERE EVEN IF YOU WANT TO CATCH THE BUS THERE. LET ME SEE. WHAT ELSE WAS SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT? WELL, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE REZONING, BUT I GUESS WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THAT. AND THE SPEEDING. THEY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT. THE LOW. AND, HELEN, SOMETIMES YOU THINK YOU'RE ON A RACE TRACK AND THAT'S LIKE TWO, THREE, 4 OR 5:00 IN THE MORNING. SO IF WE COULD ADDRESS THAT, IT WOULD GREATLY BE APPRECIATED WITH THE RESIDENTS OVER THERE. AND HARRIS JUNIOR PARKING LOT, THEY FINALLY GOT IT PAID. BUT ALL OF THE TAR GOT ON THE SIDEWALK. SO THE SIDEWALKS REALLY LOOKS BAD WITH THAT TAR ON THERE. AND HOPEFULLY SOME. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, BUT IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY BAD AND I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, EVERYONE. UP NEXT WE HAVE MISS JACQUELINE GEORGE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MISS MARIE TERRY. SHE DID THIS ALL THE TIME. GOOD EVENING. I WASN'T EXPECTING TO GET UP HERE THIS EVENING. MISS GRANT WAS SUPPOSED TO USE ALL THAT TIME, BUT I'M BACK. AND HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING THIS? MARIE TERRY, 2855 SEVEN ROAD. I'VE HAD A HARD TIME IN THIS CITY, BUT ONE THING I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE SIDEWALKS. I WALK MY SIDEWALK TODAY. HALF OF. I WANT TO THANK JEFFREY FOR THAT.

I DID WALK MY SIDEWALKS, AND I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO HIM ALL THE WAY UP TO CEDAR AVENUE, BACK THEN TO THE CITY. I AM HERE, AND IT WAS A TOUGH ELECTION. I'VE NEVER SEEN A CITY LIKE THIS CITY BEFORE IN MY LIFE. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN THIS CITY, I'VE HAD A ROUGH TIME. I'M BACK. AND TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW. EVERY CITY COUNCIL SITTING HERE, THE CITY MANAGER, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, I WANT EAST POINT POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ALSO KNOW I HAVE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED IN YOUR CITY. I HAVE NEVER SPENT ANY TIME IN YOUR CITY JAIL. THERE'S BEEN SOME RUMORS AND THERE'S BEEN SOME ACTION TAKEN. BUT I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW I CALLED NAMES. WHEN I TALK, I WILL BE FILING SOME ETHICS COMPLAINTS. ONE IS GOING TO BE ON COUNCIL LADY KERRY ZIEGLER. OKAY, I'VE BEEN MISTREATED, I'VE BEEN ABUSED, AND I'VE BEEN ACCUSED.

NOT ONLY THAT, ONE OF YOU ALL HAS VIOLATED A LOT OF LAWS IN THIS CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEWS MEDIA. I THINK Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO RECANT WHAT Y'ALL TOLD THAT NEWS MEDIA ABOUT MARIE TERRY. OKAY, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. IT WAS A VERY, VERY, VERY DISCRIMINATIVE.

PREFERENCE ELECTION. NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE IN MY LIFE. NEVER IN YOUR ALL PAINTERS HAVE BEEN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. I DON'T TRUST ANY OF YOU GUYS. I TRUST MARIE AND I TRUST GOD. AND I WANT THE REST OF THIS CITY TO KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME BAD DEALINGS IN THIS CITY SINCE

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I'VE BEEN HERE IN 2015. I'VE SEEN. I'VE RAN EIGHT TIMES IN THIS CITY. Y'ALL NEED TO GO BACK TO SOMEBODY'S TABLE, AND IT DEFINITELY WON'T BE MINE'S. IT DEFINITELY WON'T BE MY EYES.

THIS ARE BAD. POORLY RAN CITY. AND I CALL MYSELF GOING TO RUN THIS CITY. KNOW I COUNT MYSELF AS MORE WORTHY THAN THAT. Y'ALL HAD ME THINKING THAT MY WORTH CAME FROM Y'ALL. MY WORDS DON'T COME FROM YOU GUYS. MY WORDS DON'T COME FROM YOU GUYS. BUT I TELL YOU ONE THING, I LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING Y'ALL WORK FOR ME. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. UP NEXT, WE HAVE MISS MYRA OVIATT, AND MY APOLOGIES IF I SAID YOUR NAME INCORRECTLY. SHE'S GOING TO. OKAY, ANITA SMITH. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I AM HERE BECAUSE I HAVE A COMPLAINT AND I WANT TO KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I. THIS SPRING, THERE WAS A WOMAN TAKING PICTURES OF THE APARTMENTS. NOW. OH, I LIVE AT 2320, THE LOW DRIVE. I AM SPEAKING IN REFERENCE TO THE VILLAGE APARTMENTS AT 2362 LOW DRIVE THIS SPRING. THERE WAS A WOMAN AND SHE GAVE ME HER CAR. SHE WAS OUTSIDE ON CECILIA. LEAH TAKING PICTURES OF THE COMMUNITY APARTMENTS NEXT DOOR AND EVEN INTO MY DRIVEWAY. AND I APPROACHED HER TO ASK HER WHY AND WHAT WAS THE REASON, AND SHE SAID THAT THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF TEARING DOWN THE APARTMENTS. WELL, FIRST OF ALL AND FOREMOST, THERE WAS A SMALL SIGN THAT WAS POSTED AT THE APARTMENT SAYING THAT THEY WERE THEY GAVE A SPECIFIC BUILDING AND STATED THAT IT WAS VERY SMALL, AND STATED THAT SOME UNITS WOULD BE PLACED THERE. COME TO FIND OUT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE COMPLEX. IT'S GOING TO BE TORN DOWN, DEMOLISHED. THEN SHE TOLD ME, WELL, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO REBUILD IT UP AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE THE COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE THERE BACK IN. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN. I WANT TO KNOW WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT. AND SHE SAID THAT IT HAD NOT BEEN NECESSARILY A I ASKED HAD IT BEEN APPROVED BY EAST POINT, BUT SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS WAITING TO HEAR FROM FULTON COUNTY BECAUSE THERE WAS A FULTON COUNTY PROJECT. WELL, MY CONCERN IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I DID TALK TO MISS UPSHAW ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS. WHO HAS APPROVED THIS? MY HOUSE IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR, SO THAT MEANS. THAT MEANS THAT I'M GOING TO BE BOTHERED WITH THE BOOM, BOOM, BOOM AND THE ASBESTOS AND THE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT, THAT'S GOING TO INTERFERE WITH MY PROPERTY. AND I WANT TO KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, AND IF SO, HAS IT BEEN APPROVED? BECAUSE THE LADY SAID THAT THE YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE WAITING ON. SO IF ANYBODY CAN ADDRESS THAT AND GIVE ME ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT, BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO PROTECT MY PROPERTY? I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS, AND I HAVE HAD TO PUT UP A LOT WITH THE APARTMENTS, A LOT WITH THE TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN THE STREET, CRACKS IN THE WALLS. WHEN I CALL JEFF, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND I PUT UP WITH A WHOLE LOT ON THE LOW DRIVE, AND THIS IS THE LAST OF IT. SO I WANT TO KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND HAS IT BEEN APPROVED? THANK YOU. UP NEXT WE HAVE MISS ANISA ABERNATHY. ALL RIGHT. SHE'S GONE. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. BETH FLANNAGAN. YOU GO ON TO. OKAY. LINDA DEAN.

GOOD EVENING. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. MY NAME IS LINDA DEAN. I RESIDE AT 2621 CHURCH STREET, MALLALIEU POINT APARTMENTS. WE ARE STILL HAVING TROUBLE THERE.

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WE HAVE IN TROUBLE WITH THE IN AND OUT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE. YOU CAN'T GO TO THE WASHER AND WASH BECAUSE THERE'S A MAN SLEEPING IN THERE AND WON'T LET TO TENANTS IN. WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OUTSIDE SECURITY AND THE INSIDE SECURITY OF OUR BUILDING. I'VE BEEN THERE EIGHT YEARS AND THAT WAS WHEN THE APARTMENTS WAS BUILT EIGHT YEARS AGO, AND THAT'S BEEN AN ONGOING THING. WE EVEN HAVE PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF IN AND OUT TRAFFIC FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT WINE DOWN WEDNESDAY, THAT TALKING ABOUT EVERYDAY TRAFFIC.

YOU CANNOT SIT ON YOUR FRONT PORCH, THE ONES THAT HAVE THEM AND BE COMFORTABLE WITHOUT NOISE COMING THROUGH THERE. AND WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH WATER. OF COURSE, THEY DO NOT DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE RESIDENT MANAGER ASKING HER TO TO PRESENT THINGS TO WATER AND THAT WAS A MONTH AGO. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT WATER TO TALK WITH US BECAUSE ME, I WANT TO FACE THE FACE OF PERSON. I WANT TO FACE TO FACE A COMPANY, TO LET THEM KNOW IT'S HARD, VERY, VERY HARD FOR US SENIOR CITIZENS TO FIND A PLACE TO STAY WHERE IT WOULD MEET OUR INCOME. AND EVERYBODY KNOW THAT STAYS ANYWHERE. WE WANT THINGS DONE PROPERLY. IF THEY COULD GO DOWNTOWN ATLANTA AND BE A TWO MORE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, BUT THEY CAN'T DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OUT HERE. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

AND I WANT EASTPOINT AND WHOEVER ELSE I THINK MALLALIEU CHURCH HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. I WANT Y'ALL TO GET ON THEIR BACKS, BE THE MONKEY ON THEIR BACKS, BECAUSE I CAN DO THAT, TOO. BUT I WANT THE REAL THING DONE. I'M ON FIXED INCOME. I CAN'T GO NOWHERE RIGHT NOW.

AND MY HUSBAND, I, WE BOTH ARE HANDICAPPED. SO WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GO? WHAT INCOME GOING TO TAKE, WHAT APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO TAKE US. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO STAND ON TOP OF WATER, NOT BEHIND THEM AND NOT IN FRONT OF THEM, BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY THEY BUILT THAT COMPLEX IS THROUGH EASTPOINT. AND WE WANT IT DONE. WE WANT IT DONE. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE EIGHT YEARS AGO. DO Y'ALL KNOW WE HAVE WENT THROUGH THIS NOW FROM EIGHT YEARS? IT'S GOING ON 11 TO 12 RESIDENT MANAGERS. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE MISS PARIS HAMBRICK. HI. I'M COMING IN BEHIND MISS LINDA DEAN. I'M NEW TO THIS COMMUNITY. I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE TWO YEARS YET. I'M COMING WITH THE SAME ISSUE THAT SHE. SHE JUST SPOKE ABOUT.

I WAS JUST RECENTLY HOSPITALIZED, STEMMING FROM HAVING A LEAK MOLD ISSUE THAT I WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM FOR ALMOST FIVE MONTHS. THEY THEY NEVER CAME TO ADDRESS IT, TRY TO REALLY FIX IT. THEY JUST DID SOME LITTLE PATCH UP STUFF UNTIL I GOT CODE ENFORCEMENT INVOLVED. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT. CITY OF EASTPOINTE CODE ENFORCEMENT. MR. MCGEE IS INVOLVED WITH IT NOW, BUT THEY STILL HAVEN'T DONE, LIKE, PROFESSIONAL MOLD TESTING TO MAKE SURE THAT MOLD ISN'T ACTUALLY IN THE PROPERTY. AND I MEAN, NOT THE PROPERTY IN MY UNIT, BUT IT'S MORE UNITS THERE EVERY FEW MINUTES. UNITS ARE POPPING UP WITH MOLD LEAK ISSUES, STRUCTURE ISSUES, WATER STANDING WATER ISSUES. AND THEN I FIND OUT THE DEPARTMENT THAT I'M IN, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE. I'LL BE THERE TWO YEARS IN MARCH AND THE CARPET WAS STENCH WHEN I CAME IN THERE, AND I WAS BULLIED WHEN I REPORTED IT. AND THE REASON THAT I DIDN'T FIGHT BACK THEN WAS BECAUSE MY HUSBAND HAD RECENTLY DIED OF CANCER. I'M NOT TRYING TO DRAW EMPATHY OR NOTHING, I'M JUST SAYING WHY I DIDN'T. I WAITED SO LONG TO SPEAK AND I WAS BULLIED A LITTLE BIT, AND I WAS AFRAID OF RETALIATION, AND I NEEDED A PLACE TO STAY. BUT

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THEN IT GOT WHEN IT GOT SERIOUS WAS WHEN I STARTED WHEEZING. I LITERALLY HAD TO LEAVE MY BEDROOM WINDOW UP TO BE ABLE TO BREATHE AT NIGHT, AND IT'S NOT SAFE TO LEAVE FOR A FEMALE TO LEAVE. I LIVE ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR, THE LEAVE THE WINDOW OPEN AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID. AND THEN AFTER THAT, I WAS HOSPITALIZED AND THERE STILL WASN'T ANY SERIOUSNESS, EVEN WHEN I DID THE FORMAL COMPLAINT WITH MISTER MCGEE. SO NOW, WHEN I'VE DONE FORMAL COMPLAINTS WITH. THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, NOW THEY'RE THEY WERE THEY WERE RUSHING IN MY APARTMENT TO TRYING TO RUSH IN THERE TODAY WITHOUT NOTICE, NOT WITHOUT GIVING ME ADVANCE NOTICE. AND I ALREADY GOT PERMISSION FROM MARY READ THE COURT, ONE OF THE CORPORATE MANAGERS, TO NOT FOR THEM TO NOT BOTHER ME FOR A MINUTE TO LET ME RECOVER FROM THE HOSPITALIZATION. ACTUALLY, THIS IS MY REALLY FIRST ALBUM IN OVER A WEEK. I FELT IT IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT HERE TO TO FOR MY VOICE TO BE HEARD, BECAUSE I THINK NOT JUST ME, BUT EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE DESERVE TO BE HEARD. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN FEAR OF RETALIATION AND LOSING A AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO STAY THAT THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING UP BUT HELP PEOPLE'S HEALTH ARE AT STAKE HERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND NOT JUST THE SECURITY ISSUES, THE BREAK INS AND THE CARS, THE CAMERAS NOT WORKING. THIS IS A TAX CREDIT PROPERTY. IT'S WE WE SUPPOSED IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HABITABLE AND SAFE PLACE TO BE, BUT IT'S NOT. AND IT'S LIKE NOBODY CARE. AND I'M. I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT THE TIME THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE COME WITH YOU. IS THERE SOMEONE JUST MISS BERNADINE AND THE OTHER? A FEW OTHER NEIGHBORS. BUT THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING. THEY DIDN'T SIGN UP TO SPEAK. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF SOMEONE ELSE COULD GIVE YOU SOME TIME.

I'M SORRY I GOT LONG WINDED. I'M JUST PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU. AND WANT. JUST WANT MY VOICE, OUR VOICES TO BE HEARD AND SOMEBODY TO STAND UP WITH US TO GET SOME THINGS DONE OVER THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR SHARING. THANK YOU. UP NEXT, I'M MR. WILLIE JACKSON. GOOD. MY TIME TO. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. WHEN I GET TO YOU, MISS PITTMAN. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M.

NO, NO. SOMEBODY ELSE NEXT. ALL RIGHT, MISS PARHAM. AND I'M SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME. WHICH MISS MADDIE IN THE GREEN JACKET, MISS BRANDT. YEAH. OKAY. YES, MISS. MISS MADDIE.

MISS. MADDIE. NO. OKAY. IN GREEN JACKET. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, MISS MADDIE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. WHAT ABOUT MELVIN GODFREY? MR. MELVIN GODFREY? NO.

OKAY. OKAY. MISS PITTMAN, I HAVE YOU. I'M MR. JACKSON. YOU GIVING YOUR TIME TO MISS PITTMAN? SO, MISS PITTMAN, YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. PEOPLE GOING TO THINK I'M STILL ON THE COUNCIL. THIS IS MY FACE SO MUCH TONIGHT, BUT I REALLY WANT TO THANK THREE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR BRINGING A MOTION TO THE FLOOR, NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE, TO DISCUSS THE STORMWATER PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY. THAT'S COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL. ROSE AND SHROPSHIRE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND THE CITY MANAGER HAS A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT THAT I JUST KNOW IS GOING TO BE GREAT AND GOOD BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PRAYING FOR HIM. SERIOUSLY. NOW I AM VERY, VERY DISTURBED. WE KNOW WE HAVE TRASH IN D.C. FROM THE PRESIDENT THROUGHOUT HIS CABINET. WE DON'T NEED IT HERE. WE WANT TO WIPE IT OUT AND WASH IT OUT. I WAS VERY DISTURBED WHEN I LEARNED THAT INVITATION BY EBRIGHT WAS BEING CIRCULATED FOR THE SENIORS. BALL. I'M ABOUT TIRED OF THAT EVENT. WE KNOW THE CITY CANNOT SPEND TAXPAYERS MONEY ON A BOWL WHERE ALL SENIORS ARE NOT NOTIFIED OF IT, AND EVERY YEAR A SELECT FEW

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ARE INVITED. I AM TIRED OF PAYING FOR OTHER CANDIDATES VOTES. I AM TIRED OF PAYING FOR FREEBIES ON THE CITY THAT HOMEOWNERS GET IN D AND SOME IN D THAT'S NOT IN A AND THAT'S NOT IN C. NOW, WHEN A CANDIDATE SIGNS UP FOR OFFICE IN AUGUST, THAT MEANS ANY EXTRA SIGNATURES THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT COULD BE REMOTELY THOUGHT OF AS TO TRY TO CURRY VOTES. IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER KNOWS THAT. HE ALSO KNOWS THAT LEGACY VOTERS ARE YOUR OLDER VOTERS. SO HE HAS A SENIOR BOWL. LET ME TELL YOU, I'M A SENIOR, TOO, BUT I'M ABOUT TIRED OF SENIORS BEING LOOKED UPON AS THE POOREST OF THE POOR. MANY OF THEM ARE MUCH BETTER OFF THAN TWO PEOPLE WORKING WITH CHILDREN WHO DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY. IN ALL I FOUND IF I WANT TO GO TO A DANCE, I'M GOING TO ONE WITH PEOPLE I KNOW IN LIKE NOW I'M THREATENING TO SHOW UP AT THIS BALL WITH A WHOLE LOT OF SENIORS WHO DIDN'T GET INVITED, AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT JUDGE OF LAW IS GOING TO TELL YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE THEIR SECURITY.

SHE CAN'T GO BECAUSE HER NAME IS NOT ON THE LIST. I WANT TO SEE THIS LIST OF ALL SENIORS WHO RECEIVED THIS EMAIL BECAUSE I DIDN'T, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. YOU NEED TO STOP, AND I'M GOING TO BE WRITING UP AN ETHICS COMPLAINT, AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A REIMBURSEMENT OF THE MONEY, BECAUSE THIS IS NOTHING BUT A POLITICAL PLOY. AND FOR THE LAST WEEK, FOR A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER TO STROLL IN HERE WITH A T SHIRT ON AND COME TO THIS PODIUM AND MAKE CAMPAIGN SPEECHES WAS THE WORST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN IN EAST POINT. EAST POINT, BEING A CITY FOR OVER 135 YEARS, WE KNOW BETTER AND THE PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING UP HERE NOW AND TONIGHT I WANT TO SAY THIS. I AM CALLING NAMES. I USED TO LIVE ON THE PRESS AT MY HOUSE. THEY DIDN'T COME AND SAID, OH, THEY JUST COME STRAIGHT TO THE HOUSE. IF THAT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE, THEN WE'LL DO IT AGAIN, BECAUSE WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN THIS CITY NEEDS TO STOP. YOU SAT UP HERE TONIGHT. YOU DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING WORK SESSION MONDAY NIGHT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM, DIDN'T HAVE A BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING, DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM. IF YOU DON'T WANT THE JOB OR HAVE TIME FOR IT, STOP GETTING THAT CHECK EVERY OTHER THURSDAY AND RESIGN AND LET SOMEBODY SIT UP THERE WHO WILL DO THE JOB. I SERVED TEN YEARS ON THE COUNCIL. I WAS NEVER ABSENT. WENT TO BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETINGS, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS TO SIT UP THERE AND TALK ABOUT MY BUDGET. YOU DON'T HAVE A BUDGET. YOU'RE NOT A HIRED A PERSON. YOU'RE ELECTED. AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND TONIGHT, HOPEFULLY, MISTER WILLIE JACKSON IS GOING TO GET HIS YARD FIXED. THAT HAS SINKHOLES STARTED IN IT LAST DECEMBER, ALMOST DECEMBER AGAIN, $3,000. THE DANCE IS GOING TO COST MORE THAN THAT. IT'S RIDICULOUS HOW WE SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SIT BACK AND LOVE IT. WELL, I DON'T LOVE IT. AND WHEN WE START GOING THROUGH THESE WORK ORDERS AND WHERE WORK IS BEING DONE IN THIS CITY, IF YOU CAN'T COME TO MY HOUSE AND READ MY LEAVES AND CUT MY SHRUBBERY IN THE BACK, I DON'T WANT YOU OVER THERE DOING IT IN WARD D A WARD D I DON'T WANT STORMWATER PROJECTS DOWN INTO THE WARD B THAT'S NOT DONE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY. AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT THROUGH WITH THAT. I HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT ORDINANCES ON STORMWATER. MY NAME IS ON ALL FOUR. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T USE MY NAME IN VAIN. NO NO NO NO NO. SO WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER AND MISTER JONES. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST YOU PERSONALLY, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME BAD ACTORS, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT INFLUENCE EMPLOYEES THAT CAUSED THEM TO DO SOME TERRIBLE THINGS. I'LL BE BACK. THANK YOU. LASTLY, WE HAVE MISS TERESA NELSON.

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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, TERESA NELSON, 1732 NEELY AVENUE. THE MORE DIGGING WE DO, THE MORE INTRIGUING AND INFURIATING THE INFORMATION FOUND BECOMES. THE CITY SPENT $193,505 FOR DIRECT EXPENSES FOR THE MAY WEDNESDAY WIND DOWN CONCERT. THEY SPENT $117,021 FOR THE JULY EVENTS, AND THESE AMOUNTS DO NOT INCLUDE THE AMOUNTS THAT WERE ATTRIBUTED TO COUNCILWOMAN FROM WARD A AND HER VISA EXPENDITURES AND HER REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS. AT TIMES, THE DOCUMENTS RECEIVED HAD ALSO HAD VERY FEW. I APPLIED FOR AND GOT THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST FOR THE RECEIPTS AS REQUESTED. THE DOCUMENTS RECEIVED HAD VERY FEW ACTUAL RECEIPTS FOR PURCHASES. NEARLY THREE QUARTERS OF HER EXPENSES HAD MISSING DOCUMENT FORM, NOTING MISPLACED RECEIPT. ACTUAL RECEIPTS DO NOT NOTE THE PURPOSE FOR THE PURCHASES, WHILE CATERED FOOD WAS OBTAINED FOR W FOR THE EVENTS FROM LOCAL CHAINS, MANY RECEIPTS AROUND THE TIME OF EACH EVENT ARE FOR FOOD PURCHASES FROM BY THE COUNCILWOMAN. FOR EXAMPLE, THOUGH THIS IS A BARBECUE, PAID WAS PAID $879 FOR THE JUNE 23RD CONCERT. NOT INCLUDED WERE AMAZON EXPENSES FOR $163, JASON'S DELI FOR $244, AND WELFARE WAKEFIELD FOODS FOR $75. WHAT FEW AMAZON RECEIPTS WERE PRODUCED REQUIRE A MAGNIFYING GLASS TO READ OR ARE TOTALLY ILLEGIBLE. ODD RECEIPTS ARE FORMS FOR MISPLACED RECEIPTS INCLUDE O'REILLY'S AUTO PARTS, GAS PURCHASES, WIRELESS BLUETOOTH SPEAKERS, GNC, HOME DEPOT, AND MY FAVORITE FROM TARGET. HAND TOWELS, TEA, HONEY, AND SUIT HANGERS. THERE ARE NUMEROUS MISSING RECEIPT FORMS AND VISA CHARGES FOR SEVERAL ONLINE SERVICES SUCH AS META, MAILCHIMP, PATCH.COM, LINKEDIN, SPONSOR, PITCH, ETC. THE SAME COUNCIL PERSON CLAIMED I DID NOTHING WHILE ON THE COUNCIL. I REGULARLY MET WITH HER AND ALL OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THEIR LEADERS, AND SOUGHT INFORMATION FROM THEM ON WHAT THEY WANTED DONE. AND THEN I WROTE LEGISLATION AND GOT IT PASSED TO CARRY THAT THOSE PROTOCOLS OUT. I ALSO FOUGHT TO HELP BRING THIS CITY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS PASSED UNDER PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON IN THE EARLY 70S. I THE LIST OF WHAT I ACCOMPLISHED WOULD BE TOO LONG, BUT ONE THING I DID NOT DO WAS SPEND SO MUCH TAXPAYERS MONEY THAT THE FISCAL WELL-BEING OF THE CITY WAS THREATENED AND THE CITIZENS WERE ROBBED, AND FROM IMPROVEMENTS, AND OUR EMPLOYEES SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED BETTER WAGES AND BENEFITS. FORTUNATELY, SHE WAS NOT REELECTED. THANK YOU. ANY MORE COMMENTS? NO, MA'AM. THOSE ARE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE HAVE THIS EVENING.

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ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW MOVE TO COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. THE 2 MINUTES OR 3 MINUTES I CAN'T REMEMBER TWO MINUTES. COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU. AND LET ME ADDRESS THESE COMMENTS. SO FOR EVERYTHING THAT I SPENT THERE IS A RECEIPT. AND AGAIN I WILL GO BACK TO THE WRITERS. DID YOU ASK FOR THE WRITERS? BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT SEEM LIKE I WAS JUST OUT HERE SPENDING, BUT ALL OF MY CHARGES CAN BE VERIFIED. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, MISS NELSON. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, MISS NELSON? YES, YOU WERE AT MY NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, BUT YOU BROUGHT NOTHING. THE ONLY THING THAT YOU DID AS A COUNCIL PERSON WAS DID A TREE ORDINANCE. THE REASON WHY THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICE TO CUT IT DOWN. AND YOU DIDN'T RUN AGAIN BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU WEREN'T GOING TO BE ELECTED. BUT LET ME MOVE ON. SO SINCE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT CREDIT CARDS, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE STAFF SPENDS ON THE CREDIT CARDS AND WHAT THE CITY MANAGER TO ALLOWS TO BE SPENT LIKE ONE DIRECT REPORT WENT TO HOME DEPOT. HE ALSO BOUGHT ALCOHOL WITH HIS CREDIT CARD. HE ALSO SPENT IT AND TOOK FLIGHTS TO TEXAS, HOUSTON AND AUSTIN AND PAID HOTELS. BUT DID YOU DID YOU ASK FOR STAFF RECEIPTS TO GET THAT? NO YOU

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DIDN'T. YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO COME DOWN HERE AND TRY TO MAKE UP ALL THESE LIES, BECAUSE YOU FAILED AS A COUNCIL PERSON? THAT'S MIGHTY WHITE OF YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO ATTENDED COUNCIL MEETING TODAY IN PERSON AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE ALSO ON VIA LIVE STREAM. WOW! I WANTED TO I ACTUALLY HAVE AN ASK THAT I'M I'M ASKING FOR THIS FRIDAY WILL BE THE DAY THAT I DO MY DISTRIBUTION FOR MY 100 GIVING OF THANKS, WHICH IS A THANKSGIVING GIVEAWAY THAT I DO FOR THE CITY EMPLOYEES. SO MY ASK IS THAT I USE THE CUSTOMER CARE PARKING LOT. I'VE DONE IT IN YEARS PAST, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE PERMISSION TO USE AT THE TIME. IS IT'LL BE THIS FRIDAY FROM 10 TO 12:00. SO SO I'D LIKE YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO FOR THE USE OF THE CUSTOMER CARE PARKING LOT. SECOND. QUESTION IS THAT THE MOTION AND A SECOND USE OF THE CUSTOMER CARE PARKING LOT FOR. SO YOU SAID MADE A LOT OF STATEMENTS AND THEN YOU SAID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YES. IT'S FOR THE USE OF THE PARKING LOT JUST FOR DISTRIBUTION OF THE BASKETS THAT I GIVE OUT FOR THE CITY EMPLOYEES. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE FROM 10 TO 12 THIS FRIDAY. THAT'S THE MOTION. YES, MA'AM. THEN I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. ATKINS. MY SECOND STILL STANDS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER CLEMENTS OKAY, I YIELD.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN. RIGHT. YES. THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT. WARD RESIDENTS AND ALSO COUNCIL MEMBERS. MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR DECEMBER 6TH FROM 10 A.M. UNTIL 12 NOON FOR THE FINAL WARD D COMMUNITY GATHERING AT THE WORD OF FAITH LOVE CENTER THAT'S LOCATED AT 2435 BEN HILL ROAD. I'M ASKING GUESTS TO PLEASE BRING ONE NONPERISHABLE FOOD ITEM TO BE DONATED TO A LOCAL FOOD PANTRY. ALSO, MY COMMUNITY, MY NEIGHBOR, AND MY COMMUNITY IS HAVING A COMMUNITY CONSIGNMENT COAT DRIVE ON DECEMBER 7TH FROM 1:00 UNTIL 5 P.M. AND SHE IS ASKING THAT DONATIONS BE MADE OF NEW OR GENTLY USED COATS, AND YOU CAN TEXT HER AT (404) 551-6109. AND LASTLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK STAFF MEMBERS FOR THE WARD COMMUNITY BEAUTIFICATION UPDATE TO OUR UTILITY BOXES. THEY'VE GOTTEN A MAKEOVER AND THEY LOOK WONDERFUL. SO THAT IS A LITTLE BEAUTIFICATION. SO IF YOU SEE THOSE UTILITY BOXES, JUST TAKE A PICTURE AND POST IT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. YES, THANK YOU. MADAM MAYOR. JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO DIRECTOR REEVES AND HIS TEAM IN PUBLIC WORKS. I DID DRIVE DOWN SYLVAN ROAD TODAY.

THE SIDEWALKS DO LOOK GREAT. I SAW THE SILT FENCING THAT ALSO EXTEND EXTENDING TOWARD CLEVELAND AVENUE, SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR GETTING THAT IN, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE SYLVAN ROAD IS SO HEAVILY TRAVELED. AND SO NOT ONLY DO THEY LOOK GOOD ESTHETICALLY, BUT FOR SAFETY REASONS AS WELL ALONG SYLVAN ROAD. SO THANK YOU. WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMENTS FROM MISS DEAN AND ALSO MISS HENDRICKS AND MALLALIEU APARTMENTS. MR. CITY MANAGER, THIS WAS CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE TODAY I ALSO RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM FULTON COUNTY. WE HAD A SENIOR RESIDENT WHO LIVES IN ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES HERE IN EASTPOINTE. ALSO COMPLAINED ABOUT MOLD IN HER UNIT, ALSO COMPLAINED ABOUT BEING BULLIED BY MANAGEMENT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, MADAM ATTORNEY, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT I KNOW THAT PEOPLE DO NEED PLACES TO LIVE. THEY ARE AFRAID TO EVEN TALK TO MANAGEMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES, AND I'LL GET ALL THAT INFORMATION AND PASS IT ON TO YOUR OFFICE, MR. CITY MANAGER. BUT HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS AND THEN THE BULLYING OF MANAGEMENT, IF THAT IS IN FACT TRUE, I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. PEOPLE DO NEED SAFE, HEALTHY PLACES TO LIVE. AND THE FINAL THING I'LL SAY IS COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS ALLUDED TO IT. I MET WITH MISS DOUGLAS IN WARD D A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE UTILITY BOXES, AND SO GLAD THAT THAT'S DONE. I DID PUT HER IN CONTACT WITH MISTER SWAIN, AND SO I KNOW THAT SHE'S PROBABLY EXCITED AS WELL. GLAD TO SEE THAT THAT ART IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST AND GETTING IN WARD D, I YIELD. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO

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SAY THANK YOU TO OFFICER MAGEE FOR WHAT YOU DO AND CODE ENFORCEMENT REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOMAS FROM POWER, BECAUSE HE AND I WERE UP AT 130 IN THE MORNING TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THE POWER WAS OUT ON RED WINE BECAUSE OF THE CAR ACCIDENT. AND I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY GOING BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY. AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING MY CALL AT 130 IN THE MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HAPPY FOUNDER'S DAY TO MY BROTHERS OF OMEGA PSI PHI FRATERNITY, INCORPORATED. MR. JACKSON, I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO COME TO A SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM TODAY. I HOPE SO, AND TO FORMER MAYOR PITTMAN. EVERY SENIOR IS INVITED. I'M SORRY YOU DID NOT GET AN EMAIL THAT DID NOT COME FROM ME WITH THE INVITATION, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT. EVERYONE IS INVITED UNTIL WE MEET. REACH CAPACITY. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT EMAIL CAME FROM, BUT I MAKE SURE THAT SENIORS TAKE CONTROL OF THAT WHOLE EVENT. YOU KNOW, MY JOB IS TO TRY TO JUST FACILITATE. SO I DO APOLOGIZE THAT YOU DID NOT GET AN INVITATION, BUT EVERYBODY IS INVITED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER. YES. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THOMAS MANGRUM FROM POWER. WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS WITH DIFFERENT STREET LIGHTS AND THINGS OUT, AND HE'S ALWAYS VERY RESPONSIVE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS APPRECIATE THAT TOO. AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ROBERT WHITEHEAD FROM SANITATION. HE'S ALSO BEEN PROACTIVE IN CLEANING UP SOME OF THE ILLEGAL DUMPING IN WARD B. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO EXTEND A THANK YOU TO HIM AS WELL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? SO I WANT TO START BY SAYING CONGRATULATIONS TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO REELECTED AND TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ELECT. WE DO HAVE A RUNOFF FOR THE MAYOR'S SEAT, AND EARLY VOTING STARTS ON THIS SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 22ND THROUGH NOVEMBER 26TH, WHICH IS THE WEDNESDAY THE DAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING. SO THAT'S EARLY VOTING. EAST POINT LIBRARY WILL BE AN EARLY VOTING LOCATION, AND ELECTION DAY WILL BE DECEMBER 2ND. THERE ARE A FEW OTHER EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS, BUT THE ONE IN EAST POINT IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT IS THE LIBRARY, AND ON ELECTION DAY, YOU WILL HAVE TO VOTE AT YOUR ASSIGNED POLLING LOCATION. SO EARLY VOTING IS NOVEMBER 22ND THROUGH NOVEMBER 26TH, AND ELECTION DAY IS DECEMBER 2ND.

SO YOU HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 2ND TO VOTE. THANK YOU TO THE RESIDENTS OF EAST POINT FOR PASSING THE MUNICIPAL OPTION SALES TAX AGAIN, FOR RENEWING THAT WHICH ENSURES THAT WE RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING AROUND $400,000 A MONTH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE REPAIRS, MAINTAIN AND ACTUALLY INSTALL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM. WE INHERITED OVER $326 MILLION OF WATER, SEWER AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS WITHOUT FUNDING, AND SO THIS PROVIDES AROUND $400,000 A MONTH, WHICH IS, WHAT ABOUT A $5 MILLION PER YEAR? YEAH, THAT DOES NOT COME FROM TAXPAYERS DIRECTLY OR FROM FEES LIKE RAISING YOUR WATER FEES. IT ACTUALLY IS A PENNY SALES TAX THAT ANYONE PAYS WHEN THEY COME THROUGH THE CITY OF EAST POINT. THAT HELPS GO TOWARDS THAT. SO IT'S NOT IT'S ENSURING THAT OUR RESIDENTS AREN'T BEARING THE BRUNT OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. AND LET ME JUST SAY, THE CITY OF EAST POINT IS NOT UNLIKE ANY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE THAT'S DEALING IN THE COUNTRY THAT'S DEALING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE

[XI.3. TAD Redevelopment Plan]

NEEDS. NEXT, WE WILL GO TO OUR TAD REDEVELOPMENT PLAN PRESENTATION AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION. I THINK IT WAS LAST MONTH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. THERE WAS A PRESENTATION AND THEY INDICATED THEY WOULD BE WORKING ON COMING BACK TO US AT TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION TO SHARE WITH US INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE TAD REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ATTORNEY CHARLES JOHNSON, ALONG WITH THE CONSULTANT, TO SHARE AN UPDATE WITH COUNCIL. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS IS CORRECT, SO I DON'T I WILL NOT REPEAT ANY OF IT. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS RECOMMENDED TO BE SCHEDULED FOR EARLY DECEMBER. ABOUT THE CONFIGURATION OF TWO

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PROPOSED 1 OR 2 PROPOSED TAD'S. MR. KOSKI IS HERE FROM KB ADVISORY GROUP TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRESS THEY'VE MADE AND TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU. THANK YOU, ATTORNEY JOHNSON.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. AGAIN, I WAS HERE NOT THAT LONG AGO TO INTRODUCE THE IDEA OF TAD'S AT BEHEST OF MR. JOHNSON. SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. SO THIS IS NOW CONVERSATION NUMBER TWO AT THIS MIC IN FRONT OF TAD'S. AND AS MR. JOHNSON SAYS, THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO POTENTIALLY GET A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN TO PASS AT LEAST ONE TAD, IF NOT TWO TAD'S POTENTIALLY. WE GOT SOME TALKING TO DO, BUT TO PASS A TAD AT LEAST BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO DO IT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. DON'T HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT THERE'S A REASON TO DO IT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS NOT GO BACK OVER WHAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY, BUT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE BOUNDARIES OF A POTENTIAL TAD MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF JUST, I'M ACKNOWLEDGING, SORT OF SKIPPING OVER LIKE THE CONVERSATION OF SHOULD WE HAVE A TAD OR NOT. RIGHT. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT ASSUMES YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A TAD RIGHT, POTENTIALLY, OR AT LEAST CONSIDER A TAD. SO THIS IS YOUR CURRENT TAD. IT'S CALLED TAD NUMBER TWO. IT'S TAD NUMBER TWO FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE TAD NUMBER ONE WAS CLOSED. YOU HAVE A LOT OF THOSE SALES TAXES FLOWING BECAUSE OF CAMP CREEK PARKWAY. THAT WAS BECAUSE HELPED ALONG A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE OF TAD NUMBER ONE THAT CLOSED. NOW YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE AT LEAST ONE MORE TAD. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE CURRENT TAD NUMBER TWO, COLLOQUIALLY CALLED THE CORRIDORS. TAD. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT COVERS MOST OF DOWNTOWN AND KIND OF OUT A BIT TO THE EAST AND THEN ALONG THE CORRIDOR. AND SO THAT TAD IS FUNCTIONING, YOU KNOW, WHERE CITY HALL IS. CITY OWNS ILLINOIS SITE. YOU CAN SEE CALLED OUT OVER HERE. SO THIS TAD THE PARCELS WITHIN THE RED BOUNDARIES. NOW THE RED LINE THAT SNAKES THROUGH THAT IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. BUT THE WHERE WHERE YOU SEE THE THE THE GOLD IF YOU WILL LIGHT GOLD, THAT IS THE PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE TAD. THOSE PARCEL VALUES EQUALS 5.7% OF THE CITY'S OVERALL TAX. PROPERTY TAX DIGEST. THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT AGAIN, THAT TAD IS 5.7 OF YOUR DIGEST. SO COUNTED BY THE VALUE OF THE PARCELS. SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL. THIS IS NOT EVEN BEN. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS. SO THIS CAN BE TWEAKED. THIS IS AN IDEA. THIS IS A STARTING POINT OF WHAT MIGHT BELONG IN A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE'VE ONLY GOT A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME IF WE WANT TO DO THIS. SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO KIND OF GET SOME FEEDBACK. BECAUSE THE NEXT TIME I COME, I'LL HAVE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN READY FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. AND THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE A A PUBLIC HEARING POTENTIALLY IF YOU GUYS SCHEDULE THAT. BUT THE THESE TWO PARCELS, THESE TWO AREAS, ONE IN PURPLE AT THE TOP WE'LL CALL IT THE NORTH TAD THE FOR FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD RIGHT NOW THE SOUTH TAD IS IN BLUE. THE THE SITES ARE IN BLUE. THE THE THE PARCELS IN BLUE DOWN THERE WOULD POTENTIALLY IF WE KEPT THEM ALL IN THERE, BE CONNECTED BY THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT BECAUSE ALL PARCELS HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS. BUT IN GEORGIA CITIES AND COUNTIES PUT NONCONTIGUOUS PARCELS IN TAD'S TOGETHER AND CONNECT THEM BY THE RIGHT OF WAY, LIKE YOU DID IN TAD NUMBER TWO. SO IF YOU SEE THE PARCEL ALL THE WAY DOWN AT THE FAR SOUTHWEST CORNER, SOUTH SOUTHWEST CORNER, THAT'S NOT CONNECTED TO ANOTHER TAD PARCEL, BUT WE COULD IF WE WANTED TO KEEP IT IN THERE. OKAY, SO TWO TWO TABS YOU SAY WHY TWO TAD'S. THE REASON IS YOUR TAD NUMBER TWO WON'T ALLOW YOU TO CONNECT THESE TWO TABS.

YOU CAN'T CROSS THE PASS OF TAD'S. ONE PARCEL CANNOT BE IN TWO. TAD'S ONE INCH OF RIGHT AWAY CANNOT BE IN TWO. TAD'S. THEY HAVE TO BE SEPARATE. RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANTED TO IDENTIFY AND THESE TWO AREAS AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES AND REALLY THAT'S THE QUESTION.

WHAT ARE YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES? IF YOU THINK THAT THESE TWO AREAS ARE AND THE PARCELS THAT WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED, THEN THOSE COULD BE YOUR NEXT TWO. TAD'S POTENTIALLY. OKAY. NOW I MENTIONED THE VALUE PIECE. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF YOU LOOK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE YOU ALREADY SAW THE MAP ON THE RIGHT. BUT FEEL FREE TO KEEP LOOKING AT IT. BUT I REALLY WANT YOU TO LOOK AT WHERE IT SAYS DIGEST AS A PERCENT OF EAST POINT TOTAL DIGEST, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN SEE YOUR TOTAL

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DIGEST. IT'S 1.8 1.7 BILLION IN VALUE. THAT'S HOW MUCH EAST POINT IS WORTH. PROPERTY TAXES, AS DETERMINED BY THE FULTON COUNTY PROPERTY TAX APPRAISER, MINUS YOUR EXEMPT PROPERTIES WHICH DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES. RIGHT. SO HOW BIG IS THIS NORTH PARCEL? THE THE THE PURPLE 2.6 74 NUMBER PARCELS. BUT IT'S 2.6 OF THE VALUE OF THE OVERALL DIGEST. RIGHT. THE SOUTH IS 109 PARCELS BUT LESS OF A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR DIGEST BECAUSE THESE PARCELS ARE NOT WORTH AS MUCH. RIGHT. SO ON A PER PARCEL BASIS, THE NORTH IS WORTH MORE. THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. BUT JUST SO YOU KIND OF CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE READING THERE, RIGHT? THE CORRIDORS TAB IS CURRENTLY 647 PARCELS. SO THAT'S ALREADY EXISTS. CORRIDORS TAD EXISTS.

IT'S THE ONES INSIDE THE RED BOUNDARY THAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED. SO IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE BOTH OF THESE TABS YOU COULD WITH ALL OF THESE PARCELS. YOU COULD BE FOR LOTS OF REASONS, BUT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THEY'RE LESS THAN 10% OF YOUR OVERALL PROPERTY TAXES.

SO IF WE IF YOU WANTED TO BOTH OF THESE TABS, WE COULD GET THEM. YOU COULD CONSIDER THEM.

YOU COULD IF YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER THEM. RIGHT. LIKE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE VOTE'S GOING TO GO, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER THEM, WE COULD DO IT ONE OF TWO WAYS. AND I'LL WORK WITH ATTORNEY JOHNSON AND YOUR ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING. BUT SEEKING INPUT, YOU CAN HAVE ONE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT TAKES IN BOTH PARCELS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD THING OR NOT. YOU GUYS, WE CAN GO OVER PROS AND CONS ON THAT AND I CAN GET INTO THAT. I THINK THE CLEANEST WAY IS TO HAVE TWO REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, ONE FOR EACH SECTION, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THAT WAY. I'M HAPPY TO DO ONE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH TWO TABS SO WE COULD HAVE TWO REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, ONE WITH EACH NORTH REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE SOUTH REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, TWO TABS, TWO PLANS. THERE'S LOGIC TO THAT. OR WE COULD HAVE ONE PLAN THAT BRINGS IN BOTH. THERE'S LOGIC TO THAT. BUT IT'S I WOULD SAY OPTION A IS IF YOU HAD TO ASK, I WOULD SAY GO WITH OPTION A, BUT WE CAN DO OPTION B OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT QUICKLY. MAYBE NOT TONIGHT BUT WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. POTENTIAL FOR NEW TAB CREATION. ALL RIGHT I WANT TO POINT OUT RIGHT. AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME I WAS HERE, WE WERE YOUR CONSULTANTS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. SO I CAN'T HELP BUT REMIND YOU THAT WE HAD THAT THE PLAN UP PAST THAT WE WROTE THAT. BUT IT'S YOUR PLAN NOW, WE HAVE POINTED OUT THE PARCELS IN GREEN RIGHT AS POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT SITES. SOME OF THEM ARE DARK GREEN, SO SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY IN YOUR CORRIDORS. RIGHT. THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY'RE DARK GREEN OKAY. THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY'RE DARK GREEN, WHICH WE CAN GET INTO, BUT NOT TONIGHT. SO THEY'RE SOME OF THEM. MOST OF THEM ARE ALREADY IN YOUR ONE TAB THAT YOU HAVE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE OTHER ONES THAT WERE CALLED OUT ARE IN HERE. THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT CALLED OUT BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS A NAME ON IT IS THE OWENS ILLINOIS SITE. RIGHT. SO WE UNDERSTAND WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU, ALL THAT THAT WAS, AMONG ALL THE OTHER THINGS, A HIGH PRIORITY, RIGHT? AN EMPTY SITE THAT COULD USE REDEVELOPMENT TOOL. ALL RIGHT. SO THE ONE QUESTION WE HAVE FOR YOU AND I HOPE I HOPE YOU HAVE ABILITY TO MAYBE REVIEW THIS SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KEEP THINKING ABOUT THIS AFTER THE MEETING. IS DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU, THESE ALL OF THESE PARCELS WE'VE HEARD FROM? SOME OF YOU ALL THAT THE PRIORITY IS VACANT SITES AND AND VACANT SITES AND VACANT BUILDINGS, VACANT SITES AND VACANT BUILDINGS. NOT ALL VACANT BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE WORTH SAVING, BUT DEFINITELY SOME MIGHT BE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PRIORITY. SO WE'VE KIND OF TRIED TO SAY WHERE ARE THE VACANT SITES. THAT'S EASY. NO BUILDINGS ON THEM. WHERE ARE THE VACANT BUILDINGS? WE KNOW THAT. AND WHERE MIGHT THERE BE VACANT BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT YOU WANT TO WORK ON? SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE ARE. THIS REALLY COMES RIGHT FROM YOUR LCI PLAN, YOUR WILLINGHAM DRIVE. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS SO THIS THIS TAB COULD THEORETICALLY BE CONSIDERED AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR YOUR WILLINGHAM DRIVE LCI PLAN BECAUSE THIS A TAB WOULD HELP YOU IMPLEMENT PROJECTS OUT OF YOUR WILLINGHAM DRIVE LCI PLAN. PLUS, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A DISCUSSION AROUND ELLEN OWENS ILLINOIS SITE THAT THIS COULD HELP AS WELL. SO ONE THING TO CONSIDER AGAIN, LAST THING, THIS IS REALLY THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY. SO OKAY, HERE'S THE POTENTIAL PROPOSAL. AND REMEMBER THAT THIS GETS YOU TO 9.7%. SO THAT DOESN'T GIVE THAT GIVES YOU 0.3% OF YOUR TAX DIGEST VALUE TO MAYBE CREATE ANOTHER TAB. IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE DOWN THE LINE. I'M JUST SAYING YOU COULD

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GIVE YOURSELF FLEXIBILITY IF YOU WANTED IT. OOPS. FROM DOING YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. I KNOW THIS SITE OVER ON LAWRENCE STREET IS UGLY AND POTENTIALLY A GREAT PAD PROJECT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DO KNOW ALL A LOT OF THE DETAILS. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE JUST AS A AS NOT TO SAY YOU SHOULD PUT IT IN THIS TAB, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT THIS IN THIS TAB. YOU CAN SEE IT BUTTS UP AGAINST PAD NUMBER TWO. SO TO GET IT IN THIS TAB IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A TAB FOR THAT SITE SOMEDAY DOWN THE ROAD EVENTUALLY. BUT AS THE VALUES IN YOUR CURRENT TABS GROW, THEY'RE GOING TO MAYBE CROSS OVER 10% AT SOME POINT AS THEY GROW. AND THAT'S FINE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THEM OUT OF TABS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY GROW ABOVE 10%. AND AT SOME POINT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CREATE ANY MORE TABS OR PUT ANY SITES IN YOUR TABS. SO JUST KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE IF YOU HAVE LIKE OKAY, SO LOOK AT THE BOTTOM TWO LINES 9.7%. RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHOWING YOU BEFORE. SO THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN DO THAT. THIS SITE IS NOT ACTUALLY WORTH VERY MUCH ON THE TAX DIGEST. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD FIT THIS ONE IN TOO.

YOU COULD EVEN HAVE ANOTHER TAB I WOULD I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO DO THAT THIS YEAR, BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT HOW THAT MIGHT WORK. BUT THAT OVER TIME, AS THIS GROWS, BECAUSE YOU'RE SO CLOSE, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SLIP THIS IN TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MAIN THINGS I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT AS WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, DIVE IN DEEP ON WRITING THIS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN DECEMBER. AND I'M REALLY KIND OF LOOKING FOR ANY GUIDANCE YOU WANT TO GIVE ME. AGAIN, WE PASSED MY FIRM AND ME HAVE PASSED HELPED CITIES PASS OVER 50 TABS SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE SO WE CAN GET THIS DONE. IF YOU WANT TO, WE CAN HELP YOU GET THIS DONE. BUT I NEED, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME SOME FEEDBACK, INPUT. WHAT DO I NEED TO KNOW AS WE FINALIZE THIS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND BRING IT TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION, WE WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD SEND IT TO YOU BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT YOU ALL CAN READ IT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON IT. SO THERE'S SOME TIMING WE CAN TALK ABOUT. BUT MOSTLY I WANT TO FIRST TALK ABOUT THE BOUNDARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE AND PRESENTATION. COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS. YES. THANK YOU. MR. QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO I WAS GETTING A NUMBER OF 9.6, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY YOU PROBABLY ROUNDED UP. IT WAS PROBABLY 9.6 SOMETHING TO GET 9.7. IS THAT RIGHT OKAY. YEAH I WAS GETTING 5.7 FOR NUMBER TWO, 2.6 FOR NORTH TAD AND 1.3 FOR SOUTH TAD. BUT MY MY MY THERE'S THERE'S DEFINITELY ROUNDING GOING ON. YES OKAY. SO FOR THE MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED ABOUT THE NORTH TAD I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OAKLEY AND MILLEDGE AND THOSE STREETS WERE WERE THERE. AND THE BIGGER MAP SHOWED THAT FOR THE SOUTH. TAD, I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT OWNS ILLINOIS SITE. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME ANOTHER SLIDE WITH SOME GREEN. RIGHT. AND THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BLUE. AND SO IS THAT THE HOTEL. ARE THOSE THE HOTELS ALONG VIRGINIA AVENUE? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

YES. AND SO YOU CAN LOOK HERE RIGHT IN THIS, THIS MAP. AND THEN IF YOU WATCH IT ZOOMS IN A LITTLE BIT, THEN YOU CAN SEE THOSE GREEN, THE GREEN PARCELS AT THE VERY SOUTH THOUGH. YES.

THAT'S THE WHAT MIGHT BE CALLED THE HOTEL DISTRICT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE TAD. BUT THAT BUT THAT WAS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE THAT THAT THAT THERE MAY BE WANT TO BE FOCUSED ON THE HOTEL. SO OUR THINKING WAS BECAUSE YOU ALL AGREED THAT MAYBE SOMEDAY THERE WANTS TO BE A FOCUS ON REDEVELOPMENT OF, OF HOTEL PROPERTY OR MORE SOME SORT OF HELP DOWN THERE. IT'S RIGHT THERE. SO WE SAID, LET'S PROPOSE TO PUT IT IN THERE JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO LEAVE IT IN THERE. I WILL ALSO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS INCONGRUITIES IN THIS MAP. THIS IS AN OLD MAP. SO THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT. BUT I JUST NOTICED THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS MAP, RIGHT, THIS THIS WAS A THERE'S POTENTIAL TO PUT A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN DOWN THERE.

BUT BUT DEPENDS ON THE VALUE OF THEM. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN TURN AROUND AND LOOK AND SEE. BUT IF YOU CAN SEE MY POINTER. BUT THIS PARCEL IS VACANT. SO THAT PARCEL IS VACANT. THESE PARCELS ARE NOT VACANT. SO WE HAVE VERSIONS WITH THEM IN AND WITH THEM OUT.

THOSE ARE HOTELS AS WELL. SO BASICALLY THIS WHOLE RIGHT HERE, ALL OF THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE WOULD COLLOQUIALLY CALL YOUR HOTEL DISTRICT, AND IT'S IN THE SOUTH IS PROPOSED TO BE IN THE SOUTH RIGHT NOW IT IS. BUT IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION BECAUSE IN THE GREEN I WASN'T SURE IF THE GREEN WAS IN AND OUT. ONE SIDE IT'S GREEN. YES.

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SORRY. THE GREEN JUST MEANS THE GREEN COVERS UP THE BLUE HERE. IT JUST MEANS THAT IT WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT WAS IN YOUR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, NOT THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN, YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN AS A FOCUS AREA, AS A FOCUS AREA. BUT AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. WE'RE JUST POINTING IT OUT. AND REALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE WANTED TO GET THIS UP. THIS IS THE MAX, PRETTY MUCH THE MAX, AND WE CAN PICK THINGS OUT OF THERE IF THEY DON'T NEED TO BE IN THERE. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO TAG, THIS IS ABOUT AS BIG AS YOU COULD GET WITH THE FOCUSES THAT WE HAVE HEARD THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO FOCUS ON. OKAY.

NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE. NO, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THEY WERE INCLUDED BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT AREA FOR US TO FOCUS SOME ATTENTION ON AND HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA, BECAUSE IT HAS ANOTHER RETURN CALLED HOTEL MOTEL TAX. IF WE DO IT. SO THEN WE GET SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR THOSE THINGS AS WELL, 100%. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. AND BY THE WAY, THOSE HOTEL MOTEL TAX DOLLARS ARE NOT CAPTURED INTO THE TAD. SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE HOTEL ROOMS THAN YOU HAD BEFORE THE TAD AND THEY'RE IN THE TAD, THAT'S FINE. LIKE THEY'RE THAT MONEY'S GOING TO FLOW IN, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE IT NORMALLY WOULD, WHETHER IT'S IN A TAD OR NOT. THE TAD ONLY CAPTURES THE AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAXES INCREMENT, JUST TO BE CLEAR. BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S A GOOD REASON TO USE A TAD WHERE THERE'S OTHER TOOLS THAT THAT DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF EACH OTHER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. SO I KNOW WE CLOSED OUT THE CAMP CREEK AND THIS CURRENT TAB. HOW MANY CAN YOU HOW MANY TAGS CAN YOU HAVE AT ONE TIME? IT'S THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF TAGS YOU CAN HAVE. THE ONLY THERE'S THERE'S OTHER LIMITS. BUT IN TERMS OF THE SIZING OF TAGS, IT'S JUST ABOUT THIS 10% OF THE OF VALUE CAN BE IN YOUR COLLECTION OF TAGS. SO THERE ARE CITIES IN GEORGIA THAT ARE RIGHT AT THE LIMIT WITH ONE TAG. AND THERE ARE CITIES IN GEORGIA THAT HAVE AS MANY AS RIGHT NOW. THE BIGGEST IS EIGHT TAGS, BUT IT'S ONLY SKILL IS ON THAT.

THAT STILL ON THAT PERCENTAGE. YES OKAY. THE VALUE PERCENTAGE OKAY. AND I KNOW YOU HAD TALKED BEFORE FOR YOUR LAST PRESENTATION ABOUT THE ADVANTAGE OF GETTING A TAD APPROVED BEFORE YEAR END. SO EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN ABOUT THE 2025 AND LET ME YES, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND AND WHY WE WOULD WANT TO HURRY UP FROM HERE ON OUT BECAUSE WHEN YOU PASS A TAD, WHETHER YOU PASS IT IN JANUARY OR DECEMBER 31ST, THE DAY THAT YOU PASS THAT RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A TAD, THAT'S THE YEAR IN WHICH YOU SET THE BASE VALUE. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF YOU IF THIS IS IF IF YOU ALL DECIDE TO PASS A TAD IN 2025, EVERY PARCEL THAT'S INSIDE OF YOUR TAD WILL CONTINUE TO SEND INTO THE GENERAL FUND THE SAME AMOUNT THAT IT HAS IN 2025 GOING FORWARD. WHILE THIS WHILE THE TAD EXISTS. SO WE'RE LOCKING IN THE BASE, WE'RE FREEZING THE BASE OF WHATEVER PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE TAD SO THAT MONEY CONTINUES TO FLOW INTO YOUR GENERAL FUND JUST THE WAY IT ALWAYS HAS OFF OF EACH OF THOSE PARCELS, WHETHER THEY'RE IN A TAD OR NOT. WHAT'S IN PLAY IS WHAT'S ON TOP OF IT.

THE INCREMENT, THE GROWTH. SO YOU WANT TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE TAD EFFECTIVELY, YOU WANT TO LOCK IN THE BASE VALUE AS LOW AS YOU CAN, BECAUSE THEN EVERYTHING ABOVE EVERY BIT OF GROWTH HELPS FUND THE TAD. RIGHT? SO YOU IF YOU WANTED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I'M REALIZING OWENS IS SPELLED WRONG, THAT'S REALLY BAD OF ME I APOLOGIZE. WE WE'LL FIX THAT IN THE PLAN.

THERE WON'T BE A MISTAKE IN THE PLAN LIKE THAT. SORRY, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO FOCUS A TAD ON A PROJECT LIKE OWENS, ILLINOIS, AND THAT PROJECT WAS GOING TO START MOVING DIRT AND AND MAYBE INCREASE THE VALUE THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR, YOU WANT TO LOCK IT IN THIS YEAR SO THAT YOU SO THAT YOU CAN CAPTURE THE INCREASE. BUT ALSO THE KEY TO A TAD IS NOT JUST ABOUT VALUES.

IT'S ABOUT SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. AND SO YOU ALL HAVE ACTIONS. SEND A LOT OF MESSAGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. TONIGHT. YOU SEND A LOT OF MESSAGES AND EVERY MEETING YOU SEND A LOT OF MESSAGES. AND SO BY HAVING A PLAN YOU'RE TELLING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS. WE WANT TO HELP A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH A TAD. WE WANT TO HAVE WE'RE AT THE TABLE WITH YOU, DEVELOPER. WE WANT TO HELP YOU TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GROW THE ECONOMY OF EASTPOINTE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS TAD SAYS TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO GET IT OUT THERE AND TELL PEOPLE, COME ON, WE GOT SITES. LET'S DO THIS. SO AND THE LOWER THE BASE OF THAT THE BETTER THAT LOOKS TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNER FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS OKAY. AND ANOTHER QUESTION. SO I KNOW YOU YOU SPOKE ABOUT I KNOW YOU HAVE A NORTH TAD AND A SOUTH TAD. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PROS AND CONS OF I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT DOING THEM TOGETHER VERSUS SEPARATE. WHAT. WELL, SO IF WE

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DO THEM TOGETHER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY TWO IN ORDER FOR IT TO PASS MUSTER WITH THE LAW.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A STORY THAT SAYS NOT MAKE A STORY, BUT TELL A STORY THAT SAYS THESE ARE BASICALLY UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS. NORTH AND SOUTH ARE BOTH. WE'RE GOING TO END UP WE'RE WORKING ON IT NOW. BUT BASICALLY SAYING IF THEY WERE TOGETHER, THAT THIS GENERAL AREA, YOU KNOW, NOT BOUNDARY, BUT THIS GENERAL AREA, THAT'S THESE TAD'S ARE GOING TO BE IN, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO CALL THEM, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL LEGACY INDUSTRIAL AREAS. AND THEY ALL THEY HAVE SIMILAR TYPES OF PROBLEMS. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LUMP THEM TOGETHER AND AND WORK ON THEM COLLECTIVELY. A BIGGER TAD POTENTIALLY ALLOWS YOU TO MOVE FUNDS AROUND BETWEEN THE TWO AREAS. SO YOU COULD POTENTIALLY RAISE MONEY IN THE NORTH SIDE AND SPEND IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE IF THEY'RE IN THE SAME TAD. IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE SAME TAD, YOU CAN ONLY SPEND MONEY WHERE YOU RAISE. NORTH IS FOR THE NORTH. THE SOUTH IS FOR THE SOUTH. YES. OKAY. SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER IS A DEAL KILLER.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROS AND CONS OF BOTH. AND I COULD GO ON FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK THAT KIND OF SUMMARIZES IT, GIST OF IT AND ATTACH IT ONLY AFFECTS JUST COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. NO. RESIDENTIAL? NOPE. THAT'S THAT'S INCORRECT. RESPECTFULLY. SO WHAT GOES ON WITH A TAD IS THAT IF YOU IF, IF, IF I OR YOU OR ANYBODY. WELL, ACTUALLY YOU ALL SHOULDN'T OWN PROPERTY IN A TAD. I'LL JUST SAY THAT IF YOU OWN PROPERTY IN ANY OF THESE TAD'S, YOU SHOULD MAKE IT KNOWN. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER. BUT ASSUME I OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THIS TAD. I DON'T PAY ANY ADDITIONAL TAXES OR FEWER TAXES. A TAD IS NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY PROPERTY TAXES. I COULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER AND BE IN A TAD. I THERE'S THERE'S REALLY IT GOES THERE'S PEOPLE THAT THERE'S THERE'S TAD'S THAT ARE FULL OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND SOME THAT HAVE ZERO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. IT'S THE IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER WAY PER THE LAW. SO IT'S ONLY ABOUT HOW THOSE PARCELS GROW, WHETHER THEY'RE IN VALUE, WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. AND THAT'S HOW THAT'S WHAT FUNDS THE TAD. OKAY. THANK YOU I YIELD COUNCIL MEMBER. YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN WE ZOOM IN ON LET'S DO THE NORTH TAD FIRST. IS THAT OKAY? CAN WE LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY? I WOULD I WAS WONDERING IF THE PROPERTIES OFF OF NABEL WOULD BE INCLUDED.

SO THERE'S AN ECHO. I GENERALLY KNOW THESE PARCELS. I CAN'T SAY THAT I COULD TELL YOU EVERY LITTLE THING ON EVERY PARCEL, SO HELP ME OUT. BUT. IT'S OVER ON THE WEST SIDE, WEST. AND WE HAVE A LIST. I MEAN, THERE THERE'S A LIST WITH PARCEL NUMBERS AND NAMES. I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME TONIGHT. WE CAN CIRCULATE IT FOR SURE. GOTCHA. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK THAT THE BEST USE OF OUR TIME IS NOT NECESSARILY TO LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL PARCELS. YOU CAN, WE CAN I CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME. BUT I THINK THE LIKE THE GENERAL SENSE IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. IS THIS SOUNDING LIKE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONSIDER? IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A VERY SPECIFIC PARCEL, I CAN GET BACK TO YOU TOMORROW WITH THAT ANSWER. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PARCELS AT THIS PODIUM TONIGHT. OKAY. WELL, AND THEN FOR THE FOR THE SOUTH TAD, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PARCELS, BUT HOW DID CAN YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON HOW YOU DETERMINED WHICH PARCELS IN ON WILLINGHAM WOULD BE INCLUDED? BECAUSE THE INDUSTRIAL AREA SURROUNDING.

THE RECYCLING PLANT ISN'T INCLUDED, IT LOOKS LIKE. SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS. ONE IS AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REAL SCIENCE TO THIS PARTICULARLY. AND WHAT COULD BE IN AND COULD BE OUT. THE BIGGEST SCIENCE IS IF YOU PUT A CERTAIN SITE IN AND IT TIPS YOU OVER 10%, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT, RIGHT? SO WE CAN HAVE ANY OF THESE PARCELS IN AND WE JUST HAVE TO STAY BELOW THE 10% CAP. SO IF WE PUT THINGS IN WE HAVE TO TAKE THINGS OUT BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT AT THAT CAP. SO SO AGAIN YOU KNOW WE GOTTA WORK ON THAT. BUT THE KEY HERE IS DO WE THINK THAT THIS PARCEL IS EITHER A A PRIORITY SITE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MEANING NOT JUST THAT IT'S UGLY, BUT THAT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GET REDEVELOPED FAIRLY SOON AND THE TAB WILL HELP THAT. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT A TAB THERE

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TO HELP IT GET REDEVELOPED. OR IF THERE'S A PARCEL THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING TO INCREASE IN VALUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO GET REDEVELOPED, PROBABLY. AND IT'S JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MAYBE, MAYBE IT GOT BUILT LAST YEAR, BUILT LAST YEAR. IT'S PROBABLY THE HIGHEST VALUE IT'S EVER GOING TO BE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE HELPFUL FOR THIS TAB BECAUSE THE IT MAY NOT INCREASE IN VALUE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GET REDEVELOPED. IT DOESN'T NEED AN INCENTIVE.

SO THERE'S SOME SORT OF CRITERIA ABOUT WHEN IT'S BUILT WHAT'S ON THERE. CAN IT BE REDEVELOPED. WILL IT BE REDEVELOPED. ALL OF THESE THINGS SORT OF ARE THE FILTER THAT DECIDE THIS. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S THERE'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE ARE DEAD SET ON HAVING IN THERE PERSONALLY AS A CONSULTANT. WE DON'T. YOU TELL US THIS IS YOUR PLAN, NOT OUR PLAN. EXCEPT THAT WE'VE HEARD OWENS ILLINOIS SITE NEEDS A NEEDS SOME HELP. LOOK AT VACANT SITES AND LOOK AT EMPTY BUILDINGS. AND THEN WE'RE REALLY DOING THE FILTERING THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT PROPERTIES THAT ARE LIKE KNOWN HAZARDOUS SITES? WOULD THAT BE A GOOD. POTENTIALLY, YES. I MEAN, BROWNFIELD SITES USUALLY ARE GOOD TAD POTENTIAL. NOW IT'S ONLY BECAUSE NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HELP WITH WHAT I WAS JUST DESCRIBING, BUT USUALLY A BROWNFIELD SITE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S CERTIFIED BROWNFIELD, IT'S IT'S KIND OF GOING TO HAVE A TAX ABATEMENT ANYWAY, BUT IT MIGHT NEED A TAD TO ADD TO THE CAPITAL STACK TO GET IT REDEVELOPED. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT COULD GO. SO I WOULD SAY MY IF I WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT SITE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S PROBABLY OKAY TO BE IN THERE AS A BROWNFIELD SITE. BUT AGAIN, WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE VALUES, YOU KNOW? GOTCHA. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A SMALL SITE THAT MAY BE MISSED, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LATER. YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY THIS IF I MEAN, IF THIS IS PIQUING YOUR INTEREST A WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THIS PRESENTATION. IF THAT'S OKAY I THINK THAT'S FINE. BE IT.

IF YOU GOT ME LIKE ACTUAL PARCEL NUMBERS SOMEHOW, LIKE IF YOU COULD SAY HERE'S HERE'S A PARCEL OR TEN, I KNOW I WANT TO BE IN THERE. IF YOU COULD TELL ME THOSE PARCEL NUMBERS OR VICE VERSA. HERE'S TEN THAT I DON'T WANT IN THERE. AND HERE'S THE PARCEL NUMBERS. THE PARCEL NUMBERS WILL SAVE US HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT A MAP. RIGHT. AND SO THAT COULD HELP BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TIME WE SEE YOU, IF YOU GIVE US PARCEL NUMBERS, WE CAN REACT IN THE PLAN. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER FRIEDSON. YEAH, THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, SO THIS MAY BE A REALLY STUPID QUESTION, BUT NO STUPID QUESTIONS. SO OUR, OUR TAD'S TYPICALLY SORT OF VERY PROJECT SPECIFIC SORT OF FOCUSED BECAUSE THIS FEELS NOTIONAL OR ASPIRATIONAL. YEAH. AND WHAT'S THE NORM AND WHY THIS APPROACH. THANK YOU. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I GIVE A PRESENTATION TO NEW DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEMBERS AROUND THE STATE, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TAD'S. AND WHAT I TELL THEM IS THE LAW DOES NOT CATEGORIZE TAD'S, BUT WE WE KB BECAUSE WE SEE WE'VE SEEN JUST ABOUT EVERY TAD CREATED IN GEORGIA. WE HAVE CATEGORIZED TAD'S UNDER THE SAME LAW USING THE SAME THING.

THERE ARE CORRIDOR TAD'S, THERE ARE AREA WIDE TAD'S, AND THERE ARE PROJECT SPECIFIC TAD'S.

THOSE ARE KB CATEGORIES, BUT THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE THREE TAD'S TYPES OF TAD'S. IN GEORGIA. THERE'S THERE'S LOGIC BEHIND ALL OF THEM. I SEE THE TREND MOVING MORE AWAY FROM CORRIDOR TAD'S BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO NOTIONAL AND ASPIRATIONAL THAT THOSE CORRIDOR TAD'S PAST MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO NOW. AND WE HELPED PASS SOME OF THEM. THE IDEA WAS HERE'S A STRUGGLING CORRIDOR. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TAD. SO WE HOPE PEOPLE WILL COME AND USE IT.

THAT HASN'T WORKED ALL THAT WELL IN MOST CORRIDOR TAD'S. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. SO WHAT I WOULD CALL THIS IS AN AREA WIDE TAD. AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IN AN LCI PLAN OF WHICH YOU HAVE HERE, IT'S ALWAYS TELLING CITIES WHEN THEY PASS AN LCI PLAN TO TO DO IMPLEMENTATION AND USE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS TO TO IMPLEMENT THEM. SO I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE AN LCI PLAN, HAVING A TAD ATTACHED TO IT IS A VERY LOGICAL THING TO DO BECAUSE IT HELPS YOU IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN. THIS THE OTHER AREA I DON'T THINK IS IN I DON'T. I KNOW IT'S NOT AN LCI PLAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A MASTER VISION FORWARD NECESSARILY.

THAT MIGHT BE ONE REASON YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK ON THAT. NEXT. THIS IN THIS TAD. MAYBE YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE THE ONE THAT FOCUSES ON WHAT WE KNOW IS A PRIORITY SITE AND YOUR LCI PLAN, AND MAYBE YOU CONSIDER THAT ONE NEXT YEAR OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO IT THAT WAY. YOU CAN ONLY HAVE YOU IF YOU IF YOU DECIDE YOU KNOW, THE NORTH SIDE IS NOT

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WHAT WE WANT TO WORK ON THIS YEAR. IT'S TOO CONTROVERSIAL. YOU GUYS CAN'T FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S A GOOD IDEA OR BAD IDEA. BUT YOU KNOW, THE SOUTH SIDE IS WHAT IS. WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.

MAYBE YOU JUST HAVE 111 TAD. AND THAT'S WHY I ALSO THINK JUST FOR Y'ALL'S SAKE, JUST TO HAVE ONE, JUST HAVE TWO TAD PLANS AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN APPROVE ONE AND NOT APPROVE ANOTHER ONE. ONE IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY. BUT THAT WAY WHEN IT COMES TIME TO VOTE NEXT MONTH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT WRAPPING THESE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, RIGHT? YOU COULD JUST SAY YOU CAN APPROVE ONE OR THE OTHER. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IDEA. UNLESS UNLESS I HEAR FROM YOU ALL DIFFERENTLY THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GO WITH TWO TAD'S, TWO SEPARATE TAD'S THAT YOU CAN ASSESS ON THEIR OWN, AND TWO MORE POINTS. SO FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE THE TAD'S ARE SORT OF A TACTIC FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LCI.

THAT'S. YES. OKAY. I MEAN, THEY CAN SERVE LOTS OF REASONS, BUT YES TO THAT. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT WAS MY OTHER POINT. OH, SO IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE THERE'S ONLY SORT OF ONE SPECIFIC PROJECT AND THE REST WERE HOPING FOR WORST CASE SCENARIO, NOTHING HAPPENS FOR YEARS. LIKE WHAT? IS THERE A DOWNSIDE? IS THERE AN EXPIRATION DATE? WHAT. YEAH.

AGAIN ALL ESSENTIAL QUESTIONS. SO THERE THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY A DOWNSIDE TO PASSING A TAD AND NEVER USING IT. I MEAN THE DOWNSIDE IS IS THAT YOUR YOUR THE THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES INSIDE THAT TAD GETS CAPTURED INTO A TAD FUND AND NOT INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO YOU ARE WRAPPING THAT PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, NOT THE FACE VALUE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND. BUT SO IT'S STAYING OVER THERE. AND IF YOU NEVER USE IT THEN IT'S JUST SITTING THERE. AND THEN WHEN YOU DISSOLVE THE TAD BECAUSE THE, THE, THE COUNCIL CAN DISSOLVE A TAD, JUST LIKE YOU CAN CREATE ONE, AS LONG AS THERE'S NO OBLIGATIONS AGAINST THAT. TAD, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. YOU CAN DISSOLVE IT. THAT MONEY JUST FLOWS BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. NO HARM, NO FOUL. I LIKE TO SAY I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY OVER, BUT OUT. CITY OF ALPHARETTA IS CONSIDERING A TAD. TONIGHT. WE WROTE THEM A TAD PLAN IN 20 SOMETHING I CAN'T REMEMBER A COUPLE FEW YEARS AGO FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF NORTH POINT MALL. THEY HAD A DEVELOPER. THIS. THE TAD, WAS GOING TO HELP MOVE THE NORTH POINT LAW REDEVELOPMENT ALONG. THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T DIDN'T DELIVER LIKE THEY DIDN'T COME TO A AGREEMENT. AND SO THAT TAD THEY THEN DISSOLVED THAT TAD. WELL, TONIGHT THEY'RE LOOKING TO PUT IT BACK BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRIORITY. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THE TAD'S CAN COME AND GO AS LONG AS YOU DON'T COMMIT TO PAYING OUT OF THE TAD FUND, YOU CAN GET RID OF THE TAD. COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER. HEY, JEFF, HOW ARE YOU DOING? HEY. GOOD. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, TOO. LET'S START WITH MY LAST ONE.

FIRST, THE NORTH PORT MALL EXAMPLE. SO HELP ME MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY. SO NORTHPORT MALL RIGHT NOW UNDER THE TAB IS TAXED AT X. JUST JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. IT'S NOT UNDER A TAD YET. IT MAY BE. DEPENDS ON HOW THAT WENT ABOUT. WHAT WAS IT SAY AGAIN WHEN IT WAS. IT WAS WHEN IT WAS IN ITS HEAD. YES. SO PER MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEN WE ARE CAPPING OUR INCOME AT X ON NORTH POINT MALL. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. OKAY. YOU'RE CAPPING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT FLOWS INTO THE ALPHARETTA GENERAL FUND WHEN THEY PUT A TAD ON NORTH AT NORTH POINT MALL. SO ALL THE FUNDS, THE PROPERTY TAX FUNDS THAT FLOWED IN FROM THE MALL CONTINUE TO FLOW IN. THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN MOTION TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IS THE INCREASE, THE GROWTH IN PROPERTY TAXES. RIGHT. AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THERE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HERE, BUT IT MIGHT BE FOR THE OWENS-ILLINOIS SITE. TAD'S CAN OFTEN BE USED TO TO BOND, TO LEVERAGE, TO BOND OFF OF. RIGHT. SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. YES.

YEAH. EXACTLY. SO THE EXTRA INCOME YES WOULD BE WHY, YES. THE INCREASE IN TAXES DOES NOT GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. RIGHT. IT GOES TO TO YOUR CAPITAL STACK. IT GOES INTO THE TAD FUND OKAY. NOW THEN YOU CAN PAY. THEN THE CITY YOU ALL OR WHOEVER YOUR REDEVELOPMENT AGENT IS PROBABLY BE YOU. CAN YOU CONTROL THE PURSE STRINGS OF THAT TAD FUND. AND IF THERE'S A BOND AGAINST IT, THEN YOU TELL THAT TAD FUND TO PAY BACK THE BOND. BUT YOU CAN SIT

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ON THAT THOSE TAD FUNDS AND PAY IT OUT IN GRANTS IF YOU WANTED TO. SOME CITIES DO THAT. SO WHEN WE DID THE WALMART TAD. YES. WHERE DID THE TAD FUNDS GO IF IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY? NOW WAIT A MINUTE. I'M JUST SO I'M CLEAR. THAT'S A TAD THAT DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. NO NO NO NO I'M SORRY. WALMART IS IN THE STATE. OKAY, SO. THAT INCREMENT WENT TO PAY $9 MILLION OF BONDS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. YEAH. SO I I'M I'M WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE SO FAR. YES. YEAH. SO MY QUESTION THEN BECOMES. THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN.

NOW IF I OWN A PROPERTY IN WILLINGHAM AND IT'S OCCUPIED. WHAT'S MY INCENTIVE TO.

INCREASE THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY. WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER AND AND I'M SAYING I'M ON WILLINGHAM RIGHT NOW AND I'M MAKING WIDGETS. YOU MAY YOU MAY BE IN A TAD AND YOU MAY NEVER NEED IT PER SE. RIGHT. SO YOU MIGHT BE MAKING WIDGETS INSIDE OF A TAD ON WILLINGHAM. AND YOU JUST PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAXES AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE IN A TAD OR NOT IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. RIGHT. LIKE IT'S IT'S YOU'RE JUST PAYING YOUR TAXES. NOW, IF YOU'RE A PROPERTY OWNER AND YOU'RE MAKING WIDGETS AND YOU SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW. WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS I WANT TO MAKE THAT COULD BE PUBLIC FACING IMPROVEMENTS, THE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE CITY WOULD LOVE TO SEE. IT COULD EVEN BE A FACADE IMPROVEMENT ALONG A CORRIDOR BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A COOL OLD BUILDING, BUT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIX IT UP. BUT YOU'RE IN A TAD. WELL, THAT'S YOU ALL. AS YOU CAN DECIDE TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE OUT GRANTS OUT OF THAT TAD FUND POTENTIALLY. CITY OF GAINESVILLE DOES THIS ALL DAY LONG. THEY'RE MAKING SMALL GRANTS OUT OF THEIR TAD FUND BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T NECESSARILY USED IT ALL TO BOND AGAINST TO TO PAY OFF A BOND. THEY JUST LET IT GROW AND GROW AND GROW IN THEIR TAD FUND. NOW THEY GOT A MILLION BUCKS AND NOW THEY CAN PAY IT OUT. PAY, YOU KNOW, DO THINGS WITH IT AS LONG AS THEY SPEND IT INSIDE THE TAG. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF WE PLACE PROPERTIES IN A TAD, ARE WE ABLE TO LEGISLATE? COMMUNITY BENEFITS ARE. GREAT QUESTION.

THANK YOU. I LOVE THAT QUESTION. WE SHOULD. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT WE SHOULD. YOU SHOULD. I THINK I'M YOUR CONSULTANT ON TAD'S. I THINK YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY HOW YOU WANT TO DO THAT. THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO DO THAT. LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO DO THAT. I WOULD SAY 90% OF THE TAD'S IN GEORGIA DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT PER SE, BUT 10% THINK EXPLICITLY ABOUT THAT. AND THAT'S EITHER DONE EITHER ONE OF TWO WAYS. ONE INSIDE THE TAD PLAN ITSELF THAT WE'RE WRITING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING FAST ON THAT RIGHT NOW. WE CAN DO OUR BEST. BUT BUT REALLY, WHAT I PROPOSE IS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT YOU SET UP WITH THIS TAD, AFTER YOU APPROVE THE TAD IN 2026, YOU SAY, WE'RE ABOUT TO USE THIS TAD. LET'S HAVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN DEFINE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT. AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS CAMP CREEK. PART OF THE THE THE BOND PROCEEDS FOR THE CAMP CREEK BONDS WENT TO PAY FOR THE FIRE STATION AT CAMP CREEK BUSINESS CENTER. SO THAT'S THAT WAS THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT WAS BUILT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER. SO YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. I YIELD, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU. AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING THAT BECAUSE OF THE CAMP CREEK TAD, THAT'S HOW THEY GOT THE FIRE STATION AT CAMP CREEK, BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE PLAN. SO WHEN YOU DO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TAD AND YOU WORK AND YOU WANT TO BRING IN A DEVELOPER, YOU PUT THINGS IN THERE THAT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE CITY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE FIRE STATION. AND ALSO THERE IS A POLICE PRECINCT AT CAMP CREEK AS WELL. THAT WAS PART OF THAT WHOLE DEAL. HAVING SAYING THAT I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. HOW MANY TAGS IS IT? IS IT 1 OR 2 OR DO CAN WE VOTE FOR TWO? YOU CAN GO FOR TWO NORTH AND SOUTH. THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO DO ANOTHER ONE IF YOU WANTED TO. OKAY. I'M REALLY JUST PROPOSING THIS TO YOU. I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR, YOU KNOW WHAT HOW WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO. ONE

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TAD, TWO TAD'S, TWO PLANS. ONE PLAN. IT'S I'VE GIVEN YOU SORT OF THE MAX OPTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I CAN. AS IT STANDS, I'M WRITING RIGHT NOW TO THE MAX OPTION, AND I'M LISTENING FOR YOU TO TELL ME ANYTHING DIFFERENT. I THINK PROBABLY IT WOULD BE BEST TO, TO PROBABLY DO TWO. THE CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE TAB WAS A HUGE SUCCESS. AGREED. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT OR TRYING TO HELP AN AREA. IT IT KIND OF HELPS WHEN YOU HAVE A TAD. JUST LIKE WITH THE CORRIDOR TAG WITH WALMART. AND I THINK IT STARTS FROM CLEVELAND AND IT GOES DOWNTOWN. YEAH, IT GOES DOWNTOWN. SO FROM CLEVELAND AVENUE TO. SO FROM CLEVELAND AVENUE TO DOWNTOWN TO RIGHT HERE, DOWNTOWN IS PART OF THE CORRIDOR TAG, WHICH IS GOOD.

SO I THINK PROBABLY DOING TWO WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER.

ACTING MAYOR NO, I WENT OUT. I MEAN, COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER ASKED A QUESTION. I KNOW THAT WILLINGHAM IS IN THERE BECAUSE OF, LIKE YOU SAID, THE LCI, THAT ARC AND KIMLEY-HORN DID, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT CENTRAL WAS IN THERE ALSO ON THE BACKSIDE OF WILLINGHAM.

AND I THINK THAT IT IS. BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. YEAH. PLEASE, IF YOU COULD PLEASE DO, BECAUSE IT'D BE BEST TO GET IT SORT OF NAILED DOWN. NOT UP HERE TONIGHT, BUT I, I THINK I THINK IT IS. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER MARK MARCUS ALRIGHT. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO I'M JUST GOING TO PROBABLY PUT IT ON RECORD THAT I WOULD SUPPORT THE TWO TABS. NUMBER ONE, IT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR CITY. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDEVELOP A DIFFERENT AREA OF THE CITY. AND BEING THAT IT COMES RIGHT OFF OF 285, IT KIND OF REMINDS YOU OF THAT CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE. WE GET TRAFFIC AND THOSE ARE BOOMING.

THAT'S A BOOMING AREA. IT WAS ONE OF THE HIGH PERFORMING TAGS IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA THAT I'M TOLD IT COMPETES WITH ATLANTIC STATION. THEY ARE RUNNING NECK AND NECK. WELL, WE'VE FINISHED OUR TAG WITH CAMP CREEK, BUT THE QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU WAS SOMETHING THAT ALWAYS PUZZLED ME. DURING THAT PROCESS, ATLANTA WAS ABLE TO COME IN AND GET ANOTHER PORTION OF CAMP CREEK. ALL OF THIS. YEAH, ALL OF THIS IS IN EAST POINT, CORRECT? NO ONE CAN. THIS IS ALL IN EAST POINT. YEAH. THERE'S THAT SITUATION WITH PRINCETON LAKES. YEAH THAT YEAH HAPPENED. BUT THIS IS. YES. YOU. YES OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANTED I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT THE TWO TAGS. YES. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE TWO TAGS FOR THE SOUTHERN PORTION. WE'RE ALMOST PLANNED OUT. WE'VE GOT THE LCI, WE'VE GOT THE PATH THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH IT. WE'VE GOT THE FLINT RIVER PROJECT THAT GOES THROUGH IT TOO. SO THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PLANS FOR THAT AREA FOR THE NORTH. THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT FEELS LIKE IT'S ABOUT TO TURN. WE'VE GOT ROSES. WE HAVE ARDEN'S GARDENS, IMPACT CHURCH, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WE'RE RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE WITH THE. IT'S A VERY LARGE ARTERY INTO THE CITY, BUT IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF HELP IN, IN, IN HELPING THIS AREA REDEVELOP. AND ALSO RIGHT WHEN I MOVED HERE INTO THE CITY, THE CITY SPENT ABOUT $1 MILLION IN SIDEWALKS ON OAKLEY. SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN THAT IN THAT AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT REALLY FEEL LIKE IT RIGHT NOW. BUT I THINK THAT ALL THIS WOULD HELP THAT AREA. THANKS. SO I'LL WRAP UP WITH A COUPLE COMMENTS. I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, WE SHOULD DO THEM NOW TOGETHER. THE TWO TAGS. BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT DONE NOW, THERE WILL BE NO INCREMENT AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA UNTIL 2026. SO IT DELAYS HAVING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL AVAILABLE FOR A WHOLE YEAR. AND HAVING IT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO HAPPEN, BUT NOT YOU CAN HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT VERSUS NEEDING IT AND NOT HAVING IT. AND AS IT RELATES TO THAT, I GUESS THIS DECISION YOU NEED TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO BOTH A NORTH AND A SOUTH. AND THEN THE OTHER DECISION IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'LL BE ONE DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT COVERS BOTH OR TWO SEPARATE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS. I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS THAT YOU RECOMMEND TWO, ONE FOR SOUTH AND ONE FOR NORTH. AND YOU SAID THESE WOULD BE AN AREA WIDE.

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THE ONE THING THAT SOUNDED ATTRACTIVE FROM THEM BEING TOGETHER WAS THEY COULD SUPPORT EACH OTHER. RIGHT. LIKE INCREMENT FROM ONE COULD GO TO THE OTHER. THAT SOUNDS A BIT ENTICING, BUT YOU KNOW, IN REALITY, WHO KNOWS IF THEY'RE SEPARATE. IN SEPARATE PLANS, THEN THE SOUTH IS THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH IS THE NORTH. THEY'RE FAIRLY LARGE. YOU CAN PRESS YOUR MIKE AGAIN. SHOOT. SORRY. YES, THEY'RE FAIRLY LARGE AREAS. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, REGULAR SIZED TAD'S, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ISN'T REALLY A REGULAR SIZED TAD, BUT THIS IS I WOULDN'T CALL THIS BIG I WOULDN'T CALL THIS SMALL. I THINK IT'S IT MAKES SENSE AS EACH AS AN AREA OF FOCUS. SO SO THERE'S TWO ACTIONS OR TWO DECISIONS THAT IS BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT. ONE, DO WE WANT TO DO A TAD SOUTH AND A TAD NORTH AT THE SAME TIME, OR DO WE WANT TO SEPARATE THEM. AND SO WE'VE HEARD FROM, I THINK, THREE PEOPLE THAT SAID TWO. TO GET LIKE BOTH AT BOTH NOW, NOT ONE NOW, ONE LATER. SO THAT'S THE FIRST DECISION. DO WE WANT TO DO ONE NOW, ONE LATER KIND OF BY CONSENSUS. TWO AND TWO, TWO AND TWO. DO WE WANT TO DO BOTH NOW OR ONE NOW. ONE LATER. BOTH NOW. BOTH NOW. BOTH NOW. OKAY. SO THERE SEEMS CONSENSUS ON THAT. THE NEXT QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO HAVE ONE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BOTH THAT ENCOMPASSES BOTH OR A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SOUTH AND A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR NORTH. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSULTANT IS RECOMMENDING THAT OPTION OF ONE FOR SOUTH AND ONE FOR NORTH. THE CONSULTANT IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR SOUTH AND A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR NORTH, AND THAT THEY CAN DO THAT AND GET THEM BOTH TO US TO STILL STAY ON THIS SCHEDULE. FOR NORTH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SOUTH. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THE SAME THING FOR BOTH. SO YOU WOULD DO TWO. THANK YOU. WHAT? WHAT WOULD? LET'S HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM YOU AROUND. NOT THE LITANY. LIKE NOT THE DISSERTATION ON PROS AND CONS, ON ONE THAT DOES BOTH VERSUS ONE FOR SOUTH AND ONE NORTH.

BUT IF YOU CAN KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE PROS AND CONS OF THOSE, RIGHT? SO ONE THING IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST USE OWENS-ILLINOIS I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM. THEY MIGHT BE LISTENING I DON'T KNOW, I REALLY DON'T KNOW. BUT IF THEY WERE TO USE THIS, THIS TAG, THEY'RE THE LIKELY WAY OR WHAT I SEE AROUND GEORGIA ON BIG SITES LIKE THIS IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD COME TO YOU AND SAY, YOU KNOW. YEAH. I HAVE SORRY, THAT DOES SEEM BETTER.

SORRY. OKAY. NO. SO. THAT'S A GOOD MIC.

OF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING. THEY PROBABLY CAN'T HEAR YOU. SORRY. SO YEAH. SO BASICALLY OWENS-ILLINOIS IS GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GROW THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. SEE IF THIS WORKS. MAYBE. SO OWENS-ILLINOIS IS GOING TO TRY TO STRIKE A DEAL. IF YOU HAVE A TAG, THEY'RE GOING TO COME AND SAY, LET'S USE THIS TAG AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH INCREMENT THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE BY DOING THEIR REDEVELOPMENT. THAT'S GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY WHAT MIGHT BE ON THE TABLE TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO COME AND BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE ON THEIR SITE. SO. THEY'RE POTENTIALLY GOING TO GO OUT AND DO A BOND WITH THAT. THE BOND MARKET IS GOING TO LIKE IT IF THERE'S MORE INCREMENT THAT'S NOT THAT'S COMING FROM THE TAG, BUT NOT JUST THEIR SITE. SO THAT CAN BE A GOOD THING. THE BOND MARKET ALSO MIGHT NOT CARE. IT'S NOT GUARANTEED THAT THAT'S GOING TO HELP THEM IN THE BOND MARKET. BUT THAT'S ONE IDEA THAT MIGHT. SO THE MAIN THING IS IN TERMS

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OF HAVING TWO SEPARATE ONES, IT REALLY IS ABOUT FOCUS, RIGHT? IT'S WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS MONEY THAT IS BEING CREATED HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DUMP IT RIGHT BACK INTO THIS AREA HERE AND DO IT IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, AS OPPOSED TO THE NORTH SIDE SUBSIDIZING THE SOUTH SIDE OR VICE VERSA. IT GETS A LITTLE HAIRY. SO I WOULD SAY THE OPERATIONS SIDE OF IT COULD POSSIBLY BE TRIPPED UP DOWN THE ROAD. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO MORE THAN JUST HELP OWNS THEM.

OKAY. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THE PLANS ARE GOING TO HELP YOUR PREDECESSORS MAKE THESE TAGS WORK. I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT PREDECESSORS. YOU'RE YOU'RE FUTURE USE.

WHAT'S THE WORD SUCCESSORS. THANK YOU. YOUR SUCCESSORS I THINK WILL WILL APPRECIATE TWO SEPARATE TAGS. I'M WORKING ON TWO SEPARATE THINGS AND NOT MIXING. NOT MIXING THEM. IT DOESN'T PREVENT THEM FROM COMPLEMENTING EACH OTHER, THOUGH. IT DOES COMPLEMENTING MEANING. LIKE THERE COULD STILL BE A STRATEGIC RIGHT. SO PLAN OF HOW THESE COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER AND NOT COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER. THEY MIGHT SAY THIS. SORRY, I WOULD SAY THAT THE WAY IT'S GOING TO SET UP PROBABLY IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY SEPARATELY OR SPEND THE MONEY FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT. SO YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU'RE SETTING UP TWO SEPARATE TAGS WITHIN ONE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN UNCLEAR ABOUT THAT. AS WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING, I APOLOGIZE. SO SO BUT BUT IN THAT, IN THAT PLAN, IN THAT PLAN, YOU HAVE TO SORT OF TALK ABOUT THESE AS IF THEY'RE ONE. RIGHT? YES. AND SO THAT GETS A LITTLE HAIRY. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE IT IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO DECIDE HOW TO SPEND THE MONEY.

THAT WAY WHEN YOU'VE GOT TWO SEPARATE AREAS. AND WE HAVE TO SORT OF TRY TO FUZE THEM TOGETHER IN THIS PLAN. SO. OKAY. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO SEPARATE PLANS FOR THE TWO SEPARATE TAGS. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. SO THEN I THINK MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, ALTHOUGH THIS ISN'T THE FINAL DECISION AND THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING. SO MAYBE WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE A VOTE. WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THIS BY CONSENSUS AND THEN ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP THE PLANS, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT VOTING PRIOR TO A PUBLIC MEETING. YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THE GOAL HERE IS JUST TO GIVE HIM SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT TO BRING BACK FOR YOUR PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL VOTE. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THE DIRECTION IS A TAD A TAD. AND A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, A SEPARATE PLAN FOR THE SOUTH AND A SEPARATE PLAN FOR THE NORTH. PAT, EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE BY NOT. SO THEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER THE 8TH AT SIX, I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YES. THE THE EIGHTH IS A WORK SESSION NIGHT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING SIX, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE RIGHT BEFORE THE WORK SESSION. AND THEN WE WOULD AS WE FINISH THAT ROLL RIGHT INTO THE WORK SESSION MEETING. AND IT'S A MEETING NIGHT. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO A NEW NIGHT AND THE TIME THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE NOTICE IN THE PAPER ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH, YOU'LL NEED A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH PLANS. SO I THINK YEAH. SO WE'LL ADVERTISE TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR BOTH PLANS DECEMBER 8TH AT SIX. YES. WE WILL NEED A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR THAT. I GUESS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT OR NOT. WE DON'T NEED A VOTE TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING. WE COULD JUST SET IT WITH, I THINK IT'S THREE PEOPLE IN THE NOTICE, BUT WE ALSO COULD DO THAT TONIGHT IF WE WANT TO. OKAY. NO. SO I OH GOOD QUESTION. SO THE QUESTION IS ARE WE JUST DOING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE EIGHTH AND THEN VOTING ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN LATER, OR ARE WE DOING THE ON THE 15TH, OR ARE WE DOING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTE ON THE EIGHTH WHEN WE HAVE. A WORK SESSION ON THE EIGHTH? SO IN THE PAST, THIS MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAS DONE BOTH IN THE SAME IN THE SAME MEETING. SO THEY'VE HAD TO VOTE FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING THE SAME NIGHT. WHICH YOU CAN DECIDE TO DO OR NOT. IT'S UP TO YOU. I MEAN. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE THE SAME NIGHT. OKAY. SO RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE BUT BUT THAT'S ALSO THE DECISION

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DOES NOT HAVE TO BE NOTICED. THE HEARING HAS TO BE NOTICED. CORRECT. SO THE HEARING HAS TO BE NOTICED. IT HAS. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A A A SPECIAL CALL MEETING HAS TO BE NOTICED.

CORRECT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE CAN DECIDE TO TAKE THE MAKE THE DECISION THAT NIGHT OR ON THE 15TH. LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO NOTICE. SO THE THE NOTICE NEEDS TO SAY WHEN THE VOTE IS OH OKAY. SO THE LAW REQUIRES 36 DASH 40 4-7 SAYS YOU SHALL CAUSE THE TIME, DATE, PLACE, AND PURPOSE OF EACH SUCH PUBLIC HEARING TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER AT LEAST ONCE DURING A PERIOD OF FIVE DAYS IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THE DATE OF EACH PUBLIC HEARING. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, I RECOMMEND YOU HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES THAT WILL LIST THE TIME, DATE, PLACE OF WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WITHIN 45 DAYS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEN YOU GUYS CAN VOTE AND HAVE A MEETING TO VOTE ON THE APPROVAL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND THE LOCAL LEGISLATIVE BODY SHALL CAUSE THE DATE, TIME, PLACE AND PURPOSE OF THE MEETING FOR THE VOTE OF THE VOTE. SO YOU PUT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING AD NOT JUST THE TIME DATE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT ALSO OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE. SO PUT BOTH. SO THAT MEANS WE NEED TO DO EITHER A 530 FOR ONE AND A 6:00 FOR THE OTHER, OR A 6:00 FOR ONE AND A 630 FOR THE OTHER. AND START THE WORK SESSION AFTER. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATE. SO THE WORK SESSION WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE ON. SO WE DO 530 AND SIX. THEN WE CAN KEEP THE WORK SESSION AT 630. IF WE DO SIX AND 630, WE NEED TO PROVIDE NOTICE THAT THE WORK SESSION WILL START AT SEVEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO SEPARATE DATES AND TIMES FOR EACH ONE FIVE DAYS. SO YOU'RE TAKING DECEMBER BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE TO GET IT TO THE PAPER. THAT GIVES THEM TIME, BUT YOU GOTTA GIVE IT TO THEM A WEEK BEFORE. RIGHT? BUT WHEN WE DO IT, WE NEED TO SET ONE. LIKE WE CAN'T SAY AT 6:00. WE'RE GOING TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH. YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING DATE AND TIME FOR EACH. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SAYING THAT. WE'LL HAVE. YOU JUST NEED TO LIST BOTH REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, EVEN IF THEY'RE AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY, OKAY. SO WE CAN DO 6:00 WITH BOTH REDEVELOPMENT PLANS. OKAY.

WHAT DO ONE ONE NOTICE THAT HAS BOTH OF THEM, RIGHT. ONE NOTICE THAT HAS BOTH OF THEM STARTING AT THE SAME TIME AT 6:00. OKAY. AND THEN THE WORK SESSION WAS STARTED 630 AFTER THOSE. THE WORK SESSION. I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT AROUND WHETHER WE ARE BECAUSE YOU SAID IT HAD WE HAVE THE ADVERTISED WHEN THE VOTE A SECOND PLACE. YEAH. YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE VOTE. CORRECT. AND SO. SO YOU CAN HAVE ONE NOTICE THAT SAYS ALL OF THOSE, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN DECEMBER 8TH AT 6:00.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE. YES. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY TURNED THEIR MICS OFF. YOU'RE CORRECT. OH, I DO HAVE YOUR INITIALS DOWN. JB AND TK SORRY ABOUT THAT. GO AHEAD. COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER, COUNCILMEMBER COMBS AND COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS AND COUNCILMAN SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ATKINS. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN SHROPSHIRE. HERE'S THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO COMMUNITY BENEFITS. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO BONDING, HOW THE BOND PROCEEDS WILL BE, WHAT OTHER BENEFITS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE AND WHAT ARE WE INCENTIVIZING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT WAS VERY EASY TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO PUT A WALMART HERE OR WE'RE GOING TO DO THE CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE. THAT'S THE PART THAT HAS RETICENCE AND MAKES ME UNEASY, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE ASPIRATION OF IT. BUT WHAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE THOSE DISTRICTS AND PLACE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT THERE? THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS. SO THE THE RESOLUTION THAT CREATES THE TAB DESIGNATES A REDEVELOPMENT AGENT. OKAY. WHO WILL CONTROL MAKE ALL DECISIONS BEFORE THE CITY AND COUNTY AND AND AND IN THE PAST THE

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REDEVELOPMENT AGENT HAS BEEN THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO ALL THOSE DECISIONS ARE RESERVED TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AFTER THE TAT IS CREATED. SO AFTER THE IS CREATED. SO SO JUST BECAUSE YOU CREATE A TAD DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY, ANYBODY WHO HAS PROPERTY IN THE TAD CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. THEY HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY TO DO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY TO ASK FOR THE ABILITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO ALL THOSE DECISIONS ARE DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE AFTER THE TAD IS CREATED. SO SO THE TAD, BASICALLY. SO CREATING A TAD JUST GIVES YOU THE THE TOOL WHICH IS IN YOUR POWER TO IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S EXERCISED. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO MY QUESTION THE FOR THE TAD STAFF THAT WE'VE THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT'S IN THE OPPORTUNITY ZONE AREAS AS WELL.

CORRECT. THE FEDERAL THE STATE OPPORTUNITY ZONE. YES IT'S FEDERAL IT'S. YEAH. WELL THERE THERE IS THE WHOLE THING IS NOT IN A FEDERAL OPPORTUNITY ZONE. BUT I KNOW THE ON ILLINOIS PROPERTY AND THAT'S THAT A LOT THAT TOUCHES THAT. YEAH. SO THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE. I HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THE MAP BUT I, I BELIEVE SO BUT OKAY. CERTAINLY. CAN I FIND OUT REAL EASY. AND AGAIN I MEAN THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE WAY WE SEE THAT. IS THAT A TAD IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL. AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL. SO WHEN THEY ARE ON A PROPERTY THAT SIGNIFIES TO Y'ALL, TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THAT THOSE ARE SITES THAT WE'RE WANT TO WORK ON AS A CITY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. OKAY. THANK YOU I YIELD BACK. YES. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT DOING EVERYTHING ON THE 8TH OF DECEMBER AND ALSO HEARING THAT IT'S BEEN DONE THAT WAY BEFORE. THE EIGHTH IS A WORK SESSION. IT IS ALSO THE SAME TIME AS THE IG ANNUAL MEETING. AND SO WE HAD A WORK SESSION LAST WEEK. I NOTIFIED THE CLERK I WASN'T GOING TO BE HERE, AND I THINK SEVERAL OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE HERE. THERE WAS NO MEETING.

AND SO I THINK THAT IT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO FIND OUT FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO PLANS TO ATTEND IG, BECAUSE WE COULD BE PLANNING FOR A WORK SESSION AND A VOTE ON THIS, AND WE NOT HAVE A QUORUM. SO I KNOW THAT I'VE REGISTERED FOR THAT MEETING. AND SO THE OTHER PIECE TO THAT IS, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I FIND IT TO BE A BIT DISINGENUOUS FOR US TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THEIR CONSIDERATIONS, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG DEAL, A TAD IS, AND THEN NOT ALWAYS HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS SHOULD WE DECIDE TO DO THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO BRING UP THAT POINT, MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULES ARE GOING TO BE IN DECEMBER, BUT ALSO IF WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THEY ARE VOCAL OR ADAMANT ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S WILL BE HARM IN US VOTING AT THE DECEMBER 15TH MEETING TO APPROVE THE TAD'S AND THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THOSE THINGS. SO AS TO YOUR FIRST POINT, I, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU BRINGING YOU'RE BRINGING THIS, THAT TO OUR ATTENTION SO THAT WE CAN ADJUST THE SCHEDULE IF WE NEED TO. AND I WILL WORK. WE'LL WORK TO MAKE THAT MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WHAT WAS THE SECOND POINT THAT YOU MADE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE EIGHTH AND THE. OH OH SO. HAVE MEANINGFUL INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC? I HAVE DRAFTED A SUGGESTED PUBLIC NOTICE FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND ONE OF THE ONE PROVISION THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BY THE LAW THAT I HAVE SUGGESTED SHE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS A IS A SENTENCE THAT BASICALLY SAYS THE PLAN THAT WILL BE DISCUSSING WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE BEGINNING NEXT DATE. IT'S THAT'S IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR YOU TO SAY THAT, BUT WE CAN IF, IF IF THAT IF THAT WILL IF IF YOU WANT TO FACILITATE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT IN IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING. AND IF WE DO THAT, MR. JOHNSON, IF THERE'S ENOUGH OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED AND MR. KOSKI NEEDS ENOUGH TIME, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THIS BODY TO INCLUDE THAT, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO

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THAT IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON THAT EVENING. BECAUSE THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GET THE DOCUMENT PRIOR TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS AND SOME CONCERNS, AND THEN WE MAY WANT TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION. RIGHT. SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE IDEAS THAT IT'S FOR US TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND CONSIDER THEIR CONCERNS, TRYING TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ON THE SAME NIGHT, I FIND TO BE DISINGENUOUS AT TIMES. IT'S LIKE WE'RE WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE'RE MEETING THE LETTER OF THE LAW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS ANYWAY. SO IT'S YOUR DECISION. I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE IT AT THE SAME NIGHT OR NOT. COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE, THANK YOU. SO I GUESS SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE EIGHTH AND THEN VOTE ON IT ON THE EIGHTH BEFORE WORK SESSION. SO THAT'S ONE OPTION. THE OTHER OPTION IS TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE EIGHTH AND VOTE ON THE 15TH. SO SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. CAN WE HAVE A DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT ON THE EIGHTH. CAN WE HAVE IT ON THE TUESDAY OR FIND OUT WHO'S IF EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE HERE ON THE ECG. SO IF IT'S ONLY ME THAT YOU'LL HAVE A SO YOU CAN DO THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND ECG IS USUALLY IN WHAT DATES ARE THE SEVENTH WE. THE 10TH. AND I FORGOT IT'S I 20 IT SAID CHATEAUVILLAIN. OH REYNOLDS. IT'S AT 20 GOING TOWARDS. LAKE COUNTY. SO SO I, I THINK THE OTHER THEN IT SHIFTS TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS IS GOING TO ECG. IT SOUNDS LIKE HE DEFINITELY WANTS TO BE A PART OF THE DECISION ON THIS. AND SO IF WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER THE 8TH, THAT STILL MOVES THIS FORWARD AND THEN DO THE VOTE ON DECEMBER 15TH, EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF THE VOTE. YES. AND GENERALLY, I MEAN TWO TAD'S TWO REDEVELOPMENT PLANS. WE DECIDED ON THAT. I WAS A HUGE PROPONENT FOR THAT. SO YOU'RE JUST GOING TO FINE TUNE THAT AND PRESENT IT. SO THE THE PUBLIC HEARING CAN MOVE FORWARD. TO YOUR POINT, MADAM MAYOR, ON THE EIGHTH. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I'M STILL IN. SO, COUNCILMEMBER, HERE'S MY QUESTION. DO WE HAVE TO DO IT ON THE EIGHTH? CAN WE DO IT ON THE NINTH? BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF PEOPLE HAVE IT'S THROUGH THE 10TH. YEAH, IT'S THE SEVENTH THROUGH THE 10TH. RIGHT. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY VALUE IN CHANGING IT TO TUESDAY BECAUSE THE MEETING WOULD STILL BE GOING ON THE 10TH. AND WE ALREADY HAVE A WORK SESSION SCHEDULED FOR THE EIGHTH. AND SO IT WOULD REALLY JUST MAKE SENSE TO DO IT ON THE EIGHTH. SO, SO. HERE'S WHAT I'M WHAT I'M THINKING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE WORK SESSION. IT'S GOING TO GET PUSHED TO 7:00. NO THE WORK SESSION WILL STAY AT 630. THEY BOTH CAN BE ADVERTISED AS FOR THE HEARING AT SIX. SO I WAS CORRECTED ON THAT. SO WE WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH TAD'S AND ADVERTISE THEM FOR 6 P.M. ON DECEMBER THE 8TH. OUR WORK SESSION WOULD THEN START AT 630 OR THEREAFTER, SO WE KEEP THE SAME TIME FOR WORK SESSION. THEN ON DECEMBER 15TH WE CAN HAVE. WE CAN DO WE NEED TO DO A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OR THAT'S A REGULAR MEETING. CAN WE JUST SAY IT'S A REGULAR MEETING SO IT'LL JUST APPEAR ON YOUR AGENDA? IT'S JUST THAT WE WILL ADVERTISE THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA, THAT THE DECISION FOR THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.

YEAH. THAT IS TO BE CONSIDERED. YEAH. OKAY. I'M FINE WITH IT. SO EVERYBODY'S FINE WITH DECEMBER 8TH PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 15TH VOTE BY CONSENSUS. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT OKAY. SO YOU ALL CAN GO AHEAD AND ADVERTISE WITH THOSE DATES. DECEMBER THE 8TH WILL BE AT SIX AND DECEMBER THE 15TH. THE MEETING SIZE IS 630 AND PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA. SO. PUBLIC HEARINGS. TRY THIS. IT'LL BE AN ACTION. CORRECT. BECAUSE WE WILL ALREADY HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. SO AGENDA. ALRIGHT. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THE TWO PRESENTATIONS I MADE ABOUT TAD'S ARE BOTH ON THIS DESKTOP RIGHT HERE. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, I YOU MAY WANT TO SHARE AT LEAST SOME SOME ADDITIONAL EDUCATIONAL THINGS AROUND THE COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, YOU MIGHT

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WANT TO GO ABOUT THAT JUST JUST BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE TAD'S ARE HARD TO GET. LIKE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T OFTEN DEEPLY UNDERSTAND TAD'S, AND THAT'S FINE. BUT SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU WANT SOME HELP UNDERSTANDING TAD'S, WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. SO MAYBE I THINK ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SECTION OF THE WEBSITE, THERE'S ALREADY INFORMATION THERE ABOUT THAT. MAYBE MAYBE NOT. GOOD. SO THERE YOU GO. NO, NO, I'M SAYING WE CAN ADD THOSE PRESENTATIONS THERE BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A DESIRE I THINK THERE'S A LIKE A LOGICAL LANDING PLACE FOR IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OH, COUNCILMAN, I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT TO COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS POINT THAT WE ADVERTISE THIS HEAVILY SO THAT THE CONSTITUENTS ARE INVOLVED AND THEY KNOW ABOUT THIS DECISION THAT IS ABOUT TO BE MADE. THAT'S IT. THANK 2025, MISTER JONES. THANK YOU, MAYOR

[XI.4. Public Works Department Litter and Illegal Dumping Program Update 2025]

AND COUNCIL. I WILL BE INTRODUCING DIRECTOR REEVES TO WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. JEFFREY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. WE WANTED TO COME THROUGH THIS LINE ITEM, DO A PRESENTATION JUST QUICK. I KNOW IT'S LATE IN THE EVENING, DO A QUICK PRESENTATION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE IN REFERENCE TO WHERE WE ARE ON THE LITTER PROGRAM. NOVEMBER WORK SESSION. OKAY. NUMBER 544 OKAY. WALKING UP AND OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE PROBABLY HAD ON SOME OF OUR OTHER PRESENTATIONS. SO I'M GOING TO GET TO THE BEEF OF IT. ALSO I HAVE WITH ME MR. KEITH HOOD WHO IS OUR FIELD SUPERINTENDENT, WHO ACTUALLY WORKS DIRECTLY WITH OUR LEGAL DUMPING LITTER TEAM. AND ALSO HE WORKS WITH OUR LEAF COLLECTION PROGRAM. OF COURSE, THESE ARE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALL INVOLVED IN THE LITTER PROGRAM. AND RIGHT NOW, SEVERAL OF US ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO TACKLE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH LITTER AND ILLEGAL DUMPING. OF COURSE, SOME OF OUR SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE, WE'LL BE INCREASING SIGNAGE AROUND THE CITY. WHAT OUR LITTER PATROL TEAM, WE HAVE OUR PROGRAM COORDINATOR, MISS CLAY, WE HAVE OUR TEN PERSON LITTER PATROL TEAM. ACTUALLY, IT'S ABOUT 12. WE HAD A COUPLE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WE USE FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE WORKING WITH LITTER TEAM. AND THEN WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT WHO'S WORKING DIRECTLY WITH FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS. AS WE SAY, WE'RE CONNECTED WITH FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS. WE HAVE HAD A FEW MEETINGS WITH THEM. I THINK WE OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETINGS SHOULD BE THE END OF THIS MONTH OR RIGHT AFTER THANKSGIVING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T HAVE THAT DATE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM. WE'VE CONTACTED ALL THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THE CITY. WE HAVE SOME RESPONSE FROM ABOUT FOUR OF OUR OTHER 7 OR 8. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNS THAT WE'RE POSTING AROUND THE CITY. WE'RE MONITORING THE ILLEGAL DUMPING LOCATIONS. AGAIN, OUR LITTER TEAM, WE'RE COLLABORATING WITH ENFORCEMENT, EDUCATION, MARKETING, CITY MEDIA, IT DEPARTMENT, COLLABORATIONS, INSPECTIONS, COURTS, LITTER PATROL, PROTECTED LEGAL AREAS, AND INSPECTIONS. THESE ARE THE SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE CONTACTED DIRECTLY WITH THE LITTER PROGRAM. TRI-CITIES HAS RESPONDED BACK TO US, AND OUR GREENBRIER HILLS AND ASA HILLIARD HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN THE ONES THAT HAVE RESPONDED BACK TO US. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

DURING SOME OF OUR MEETINGS WITH FULTON COUNTY SCHOOLS, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THEM. AND IN REFERENCE TO COMMUNITY CLEANUP EVENTS, EDUCATION CAMPAIGNS, VIDEO COMPETITION, ADOPT A SPOT PROGRAM, RECYCLING DRIVES. FULTON COUNTY SCHOOL PARTNERSHIP. THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THEM. OUR PROJECTS, PARTNERSHIP WITH BUSINESSES, EAST POINT COMMUNICATIONS, INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, MARKETING,

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ENVIRONMENTAL CLUBS. SOME OF THE FLIERS THAT WE'VE WE'VE WE PULLED OFF AND OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM HAS PROVIDED. WHEN OUR LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS, WE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE ATLANTA CID, OUR I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM. WE'RE DOING A COLLABORATION WITH ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE CITY. WE'VE HAD A FEW MEETINGS, SO WE HAVE OUR MONTHLY MEETING SCHEDULED BY ATLANTA CID ACTUALLY SEE AT THE END SLIDE HERE. OUR LAST MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT TRACKING TRASH BAGS THROUGH A GO VOCAL APP THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY TALK ABOUT, GATEWAY ROUTES AND LOCAL MUNICIPALITY CLEANING, DISCUSSING SWAGS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT FOR THE UPCOMING WORLD CUP THAT'S COMING UP. SO ONE OF THE CAMPAIGNS THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING IN OUR NEXT MEETING IS SOME CAMPAIGN BEAUTIFICATIONS. AND ONE OF THE CAMPAIGN SLOGANS WAS BEAUTIFICATION IS THE GOAL. THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. SOME OF THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE'VE FOUND AS OUR LITTER DUMPING LOCATIONS. ALL THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN CLEANED UP AS WE GO ALONG, SEE CERTAIN THINGS THAT COUCH CHAIRS, JUST ALL SORTS OF THINGS JUST DUMPED ALONGSIDE THE ROAD. BACK OF THE TRUCK AS SOME OF THE TRASH THAT THEY PICKED UP ON DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO WE YOU SEE THAT. SO WE WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH SANITATION. SO OUR STAFF TRIES TO PICK UP WHAT THEY CAN, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER HEAVY BULK STUFF, WE WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH SANITATION AND THEIR SANITATION CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF. THIS IS AN AREA SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HAS BEEN SOME OF THESE PATHS THAT WE FOUND, CERTAIN AREAS WE YOU SEE, WE'RE PUTTING UP THE POLES. WE'RE KIND OF STOPPING THEM FROM GETTING BACK AND FORTH IN BETWEEN THOSE AREAS. LAST SPRING, RIGHT BEFORE PARK LANE CLOSED, WE OUR STAFF WENT OVER THERE AND WE TOOK SOME OF OUR MACHINERY OVER THERE, AND THEY JUST DID SOME EDUCATION OUT WITH THE PARK LANE SCHOOL, WHICH IS NOW CLOSED. BUT THIS IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OUR STAFF INVOLVED WITH, WITH STUDENTS OVER THERE. SOME OF THE LOCATION THAT YOU SEE WHERE OUR STAFF IS PICKING UP, THAT'S NOT TRASH WE THREW OUT THERE, THAT'S TRASH WE'RE ACTUALLY PICKING UP AND THAT'S THAT'S MAINTAINED WEEKLY. SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS, CAMP CREEK IN THE MIDDLE, CAMP CREEK, WE'RE ACTUALLY COLLECTING LITTER ALL THE WAY THROUGH BOTH SIDES AND IN THE MIDDLE MEDIA AREA. THIS LOOKS LIKE STONE ROAD. WE HAVE LITTER. WE HAVE ISSUES WITH LITTER OVER OFF BY THE FILTER PLANT. SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. AND AS FAR AS LITTERS CONCERNED, THIS IS THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. ONE OF THE SIDES OF IT. WE ARE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH. ALSO IN THAT AREA, YOU SEE UNDERNEATH THE STEPS, THERE'S ONE OF OUR UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS LIVING OVER THERE.

MARTA BUS STOPS. AND SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT THIS EVENING WE TRY TO GO AROUND THOSE BUS STOPS AND PICK UP TRASH AROUND THOSE AREAS. AS YOU SEE, AS WE NOT ONLY JUST KIND OF PICK UP THE THE LEAVES, WE TRY TO HAVE STAFF GO AND BLOW SIDEWALKS TO GET SOME OF THE PINE STRAW AND LITTER OFF THE THAT'S ON THE ROAD AS WELL. LAST MONTH, OCTOBER, WE HAD COLLECTED 420 PLASTIC TRASH BAGS, ILLEGAL DUMPING ROUTES. WE INSPECT 30 A WEEK, TWICE A WEEK. THEY COLLECTIONS BY TEN COLLECTIONS THAT ARE HEAVY STUFF THAT THEY SAID BY PUBLIC WORKS AND SANITATION. CHAIRS, COUCHES, MATTRESSES AND HEAVY ITEMS. WE GET ITEMS, WE GET REQUESTS FROM SEECLICKFIX. WE WORK THREE SIX SEECLICKFIX LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH, PICKING UP HEAVY ITEMS THAT WERE REPORTED. THIS IS JUST PART OF OUR OUR OUR EASTPOINTE LITTER TEAM. TAKE THESE POINT. LITTER PATROL ILLEGAL DUMPING PROGRAM. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND UPDATE. ANY COUNCIL. ZIEGLER. ATKINS. YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY, SO WHEN IT COMES TO THESE ILLEGAL DUMPING SITES THAT YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE KEEP GOING TO THEM, ARE WE PUTTING IN BARRIERS LIKE PHYSICAL BARRIERS TO PREVENT THEM FROM COMING IN

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AND DUMPING, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE DEAD END OF LISLE IN EAST WASHINGTON? YES, MA'AM. WE'RE WORKING. IF WE HAVEN'T PUT THEM, WE ARE PUTTING IN THOSE POLES TO KEEP FROM PEOPLE, FROM ENTERING THOSE AREAS TO DUMP. OKAY, SO THE THING ABOUT LIKE LISLE AVENUE IS THAT IT'S A LOT OF KITCHEN TRASH. YES, MA'AM. AND SO IF IF YOU WERE TO JUST PUT IN POLES, I WOULD THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD JUST WALK DOWN WITH THE TRASH BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT WHOLE AREA IS IS VACANT AND ABANDONED. TALKING ABOUT LISLE OFF OF HARRIS. YES, YES. SO WHAT? YEAH. SO WITH LISLE OFF OF HARRIS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON NOW THAT IT'S BECOMING WHERE THE, THE VEGETATIVE COVER IS BECOMING DORMANT. WE'RE GOING TO GO IN THERE AND TRY TO CLEAN ALL OF THAT OUT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR ECONOMIC WELL TALKING TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO COME IN. AND THOSE PROPERTIES ARE PROPERTIES OWNED TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM. WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME GIS, AND THERE USED TO BE HOUSES DOWN THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME REDEVELOPMENT AT. I'M SORRY ABOUT THE POLES. WE'RE NOT PUTTING POLES DOWN THERE. WE ACTUALLY KIND OF BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME HOUSES DOWN THROUGH THERE AND THE SANITATION TRUCKS AND, AND THE FIRE TRUCKS HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME AND TURN AROUND IN THAT CUL-DE-SAC. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT CLOSING IT OFF. BUT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE HAVE BEEN STARTED CLEANING THE VEGETATION THAT HAS OVERGROWN OUR TREE DIVISION FROM ELECTRIC HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US, YOU KNOW, AS THEY CAN. AND SO NOW THAT IT'S DONE, WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT MORE GOING DOWN THROUGH THERE, CLEANING IT UP. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THE POLICE AND GETTING A CAMERA DOWN THERE. WHAT ARE WE DOING IT. IT'S IT'S THERE. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE ARE. WELL, THE POLICE HAVE SOME SOME. THEY HAVE A PROJECT THAT CHIEF IS A INTRODUCED TO OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT WORKING ON THAT EXACT THING. SO WE'LL HAVE SOME NOT HIS CAMERAS THAT HE USES TO DO TAGS BUT HE HAS PROGRAM THAT HE'S WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF IF Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS, BUT ON SEECLICKFIX I SAW IT. AND THEN I HAD A RESIDENT CONTACT ME AND I WENT AND INVESTIGATED INVESTIGATE IT MYSELF. AND THERE'S LIKE HUNDREDS OF TIRES MAYBE UP ALMOST LIKE I MEAN, IT'S A TON OF TIRES UP IN THE TRAILER PARK AND EAST WASHINGTON. IT'S A LOT OF TIRES, LIKE MAYBE ALMOST A THOUSAND AND REASONING. WE HAVEN'T BEEN CALLED ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE TRAILER PARK. THAT WOULD BE PRIVATE PROPERTY. BUT THEY HAVEN'T CALLED US. WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT OURSELVES IN REFERENCE TO GOING IN THERE AND DOING ANYTHING, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GET WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GET WITH THE THE PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE IN THAT TRAILER HOME COMMUNITY AND HAVE THEM GET THAT CLEANED UP. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. AND. I REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE HAD FIRST TALKED, AND I THINK THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE GETTING A SLOGAN TOGETHER AND THEN LIKE KIND OF LIKE PROMOTING THAT, GETTING SOME ENERGY BEHIND THAT. YES, MA'AM. IT'S TRI-CITIES HIGH SCHOOL IS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND AND WE HAVE TALKED AND WE'LL BE GETTING BACK WITH THEM. I THINK OUR NEXT MEETING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE OUR NEXT MEETING IS COMING UP THIS WEEK.

MY ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON HANDLES THAT. BUT TRI CITY HAS BEEN EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND THE TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS WE TALKED TO, THEY'RE BOTH EXCITED ABOUT DOING THAT AS WELL. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN AND YOU HAD TOUCHED BRIEFLY THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY KIND OF TOUCHES A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. AND SO LIKE WHEN YOU RUN INTO UNHOUSED PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, ARE IN SITUATIONS AND YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF FIND THEM WHILE YOU'RE PICKING UP THE TRASH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ARE WE ARE WE CONTACTING LIKE YOLANDA AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WE WE'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING WITH YOLANDA RIGHT NOW ON A PROJECT THAT SHE HAD THAT WAS CAUSING SOME LITTER IN ONE OF OUR VIRGINIA AVENUE AREAS. AND SO WE HAD SOME CONTRACTORS THAT WERE CAME, SHOULD HAVE COME OUT TODAY TO GIVE US SOME QUOTES AND CLEANING UP THAT AREA. WE HAD THAT LOCATION AND ANOTHER LOCATION OFF OF HEADLAND THAT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THAT HAVE. BUT WORKING WITH YOLANDA. OKAY. GOTCHA. AND ALSO OFF OF NORMAN BERRY, THERE'S THE GAS STATION ON THE CORNER OF IRENE AND NORMAN BERRY RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER. YES. SOMEONE ALWAYS PUTS THEIR MATTRESS RIGHT THERE UP TOP. WE JUST ASK THEM TO MOVE IT DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER IF HE COULD, BUT. YEAH. YES, MA'AM. IF ONLY THEY WANT TO JUST BURY IT IN THE BUSHES. YEAH, RIGHT. THEY CAN JUST. YES, MA'AM. IT'S IT'S VISIBLE RIGHT THERE BY THE GAS STATION. SO. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE KIND OF YOU'VE

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BEEN TALKING TO THE CHIEF ABOUT CAMERAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS AS WELL THAT KEEP GETTING HIT, LIKE YOU HAD IN YOUR PRESENTATION CORNER OF PINE AND BAYARD. DO WE DO WE KNOW, LIKE, WHAT THE BARRIERS ARE TO GETTING THOSE PUT IN OR ANYTHING OR THE CAMERAS? WELL, I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE HE'S GOING TO BE USING THE HUNTING TYPE CAMERAS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE POSTING THEM AROUND DIFFERENT AREAS. SO HE'LL HAVE THEM STRATEGICALLY PUT IN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE RECOMMEND TO HIM OR HIS CODE ENFORCEMENT. YOU GOT IT. SORRY. CHIEF HAS SOME A PROJECT THAT HE'S DOING WITH SOME SOME TYPE OF HUNTING CAMERAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH HIM AND HIS CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM TO PUT IN THOSE LAKE. THAT WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WITH, WITH THE HEAVY DUMPING. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I WAS GOING TO KEEP TURNING OFF MINES, KEEP GOING IN AND OUT THERE. OKAY. AND. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, MA'AM. COUNCILMEMBER. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. REES, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND ALSO, MR. HOOD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND HELPING TO KEEP OUR CITY CLEAN. COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER ASKED. REALLY A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS. MY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO PUTTING UP THE BOLLARDS, IF WE WERE DOING CAMERAS AS WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE BOLLARDS ARE PROBABLY MORE EXPENSIVE. AND SO TALKED ABOUT SIGNAGE. AND SO THE SIGNAGE, IT TALKS ABOUT PENALTIES. SO DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE COLLECTING FROM ILLEGAL DUMPING? BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT USING THE TECHNOLOGY, THE SIGNS TO GET LICENSE TAGS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THEN WE'RE JUST USING OUR TAX DOLLARS TO KEEP GOING OUT, PICKING UP THESE FOLKS, ILLEGAL DUMPING. SO DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH WE'RE COLLECTING FROM SOME OF THE ILLEGAL DUMPING THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY CHIEF WOULD DO IN HIS PRESENTATION WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITATION. BUT HE JUST DIDN'T. HE JUST RECENTLY CITED SOMEONE FROM DUMPING. SO HE THAT THE CAMERAS DID CATCH IN ONE OF OUR CITY PARKS. BUT GOING BACK TO YOU SAW BOLLARDS. WE ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE. SO WE TAKE OLD POLES THAT SOME OF THE OLD METAL POLES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN USED, WE CUT THEM AND THEN WE FILL THEM IN WITH CONCRETE. SO WE'RE JUST RECYCLING. OKAY. YES, SIR. AND MARTA BUS STOPS WHEN A BUS STOP IS WITHIN A MUNICIPALITY, IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE MARTA STATIONS ARE CLEAN? OR IS IT MARTA'S? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT'S ON MARTA'S PROPERTY. AND SO ARE WE. CLEANING UP THOSE STATIONS THAT MARTA SHOULD BE CLEANING UP. WELL, WE'RE. YES, SIR. WE ARE. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE CLEANING THEM UP, AND MARTA COMES THROUGH. WE RIGHT NOW JUST. I GUESS JUST LAST WEEK, LAST FRIDAY, WE JUST REACHED OUT TO MARTA ABOUT THAT BECAUSE SOMEONE REPORTED TO US OR ASKED ABOUT US ABOUT THOSE CANS BEING EMPTIED ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO THEY WERE COMING THROUGH EVERY WEEK OR A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK. AND BUT WE REALLY NOT SEEING THAT LIKE WE'VE BEEN NORMALLY SEEING. I KNOW TRASH IS NOT INCREASING THAT MUCH UNLESS SOMEBODY IS TAKING OVER THERE, BUT WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN THOSE TRASH CANS AT THOSE LOCATIONS.

BUT WE DO GO AROUND AND CLEAN THEM UP AND PUT THEM IN THE TRASH CANS AND TAKE THEM AWAY IN THE BAGS AS POSSIBLE. YES. SO THAT'S WHAT I HEARD THAT YOU WERE DOING, THAT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S MARTA'S RESPONSIBILITY, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DOING THEIR WORK. OKAY, SO KEITH, WHO USED TO WORK FOR MARTA, JUST LET ME KNOW THAT THE CONTRACT IS BEING RENEWED.

THEIR CLEANING CONTRACT. SO THAT'S IT? YEAH. OKAY. EVEN THOUGH MARTA, WE WE ACTUALLY DO THE WORK. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT LOOKING LIKE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. SO THEY LOST THAT CONTRACT. SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW GETTING ANOTHER CONTRACT. IN THE MEANTIME WHILE THEY'RE NOT PAYING A CONTRACTOR, WILL THEY PAY US AS THEIR CONTRACTOR TO CLEAN UP BECAUSE THESE ARE EASTPOINTE CITY TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND WE'RE DOING MARTA'S WORK. YEAH. WE GO CLEAN IT UP. OKAY. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT MARTA, THE CAMERAS, THE BOLLARDS, AND, I MEAN, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY. YES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SCHEDULE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU HAVE THE GROUP OF PEOPLE? THAT'S THE LITTER PICKUP TEAM. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S A GREAT LOOKING TEAM. BUT ON MONDAY THERE WAS A MATTRESS ON BEN HILL ROAD THAT STAYED OUT THERE UNTIL THURSDAY WHEN I GOT HOME FROM WORK AND I ACTUALLY SENT A TEXT TO MR. CITY MANAGER AND THIS IN AN EMAIL TO MISS TYLER, BECAUSE THE MATTRESS WAS OUT THERE THE ENTIRE WEEK. SO I THINK THAT WHAT WILL BE IMPORTANT IS A SCHEDULE AS TO WHEN YOU ALL ARE GOING OUT WITH YOUR LITTER PICKUPS. I WOULD ALSO, AND THIS

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IS ONLY A SUGGESTION. THIS IS A LARGE TEAM. I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LITTER AND JUST PICKING UP THE LITTER AND HOW THEY DO IT IN ALPHARETTA, WITH JUST A LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO POSSIBLY CONSIDER MR. CITY MANAGER BREAKING THIS GROUP UP INTO TEAMS SO THAT EACH WARD PROBABLY HAS TWO PEOPLE WITH A TRUCK GOING OUT FIVE DAYS A WEEK TO PICK UP LITTER, OR HOWEVER THAT MAY LOOK IN THE FUTURE. BUT I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE A WEEKLY LITTER PICKUP AND A SCHEDULE THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US AS RESIDENTS AND JUST PEOPLE OF THE CITY. THE SECOND THING IS GDOT.

SOMETIMES WHEN YOU EXIT THE EXPRESSWAYS IN EASTPOINT, THEY ARE FILTHY, ESPECIALLY AT THE CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE LOCATION. IT'S JUST A LARGE AMOUNT OF TRASH. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED.

I KNOW THAT GDOT COMES OUT EVERY 45 DAYS TO CUT AND PICK UP LITTER, BUT WHAT CONVERSATIONS ARE WE HAVING WITH GDOT AND WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT MEDIAN AND THOSE EXIT WAYS? THE RAMPS EVERYWHERE IN EASTPOINT. HEADLAND AND DALLAS WASHINGTON ROAD, CAMP CREEK PARKWAY, STAUNTON I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER EXIT WAYS THAT WE HAVE, BUT I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR. THEY CAN'T COME TO ME RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP THAT THE CITY HAS WITH GDOT. LITTER JUST CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE IN EASTPOINT, BUT I WOULD JUST ESPECIALLY BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING IF WE DIVIDE THE CITY UP LIKE WE HAVE THE FOUR WARDS INTO FOUR QUADRANTS WITH A SCHEDULE FOR LITTER PICK UP FIVE DAYS A WEEK. SO THANK YOU TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. JUST SUPPORT TO MY TEAM BECAUSE THEY WORK PRETTY DILIGENTLY, ESPECIALLY ON WELCOME ON BEN HILL AREA. THE MATTRESS THAT WAS REPORTED, WE DID REPORT IT TO STAFF, BUT STAFF WHEN THEY GOT BEN HILL THEY WENT TO ANOTHER BEN HILL LOCATION WHICH WAS WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH HAD FOUR MATTRESSES, AND THEY REPORTED IT TO IT WAS PROBABLY SOME SOMEBODY PUT OUT FOR BULK PICKUP, SO THEY DIDN'T GO TO THAT LOCATION. BUT ONCE THAT LOCATION WAS YOU SENT THAT EMAIL OUT THAT NEXT MORNING, PROBABLY BY 9:00 THAT NEXT MORNING, THAT ONE MATTRESS WAS REMOVED. WE TALKED TO OUR STAFF.

THE STAFF WORKED THERE THAT WEEK. THEY DIDN'T SEE IT. AND BUT WE TOLD THEM IF THEY SEE MATTRESSES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, THEY REPORTED TO ANOTHER TEAM BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT TEAM THAT GOES AROUND PICKING UP BULK PICKUP OTHER THAN OUR LETTER TEAM, BUT WE DEFINITELY BE MONITORING THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TEAM BECAUSE I DO SEE THEM OUT THERE PICKING UP THE LITTER AND THE TRASH. AND WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, AND THEY ACTUALLY PICK IT UP. I'M GOING TO KEEP SAYING IT. HOW DO YOU EDUCATE PEOPLE TO PUT TRASH TO PUT LITTER IN THE TRASH CAN? YOU SHOWED A PICTURE OF THE WATER WORK. IT CAN BE CLEANED EVERY DAY, BUT ON SUNDAY, TRASH SEEMED TO FIND HIS WAY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. BETWEEN SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, TRASH SEEMED TO FIND HIS WAY. I THINK MAYBE WORKING WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WORK WITH THE OWNER OF THE PLAZA AND MAKE THEM MAKE MAKE THEM CLEAN IT UP. I HAVE BEEN IN THE CAR AND I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE JUST THROW PAPER OUT THE CAR, THROW FOOD OUT THE CAR, THROW, AND WE GOT CAMERAS. SO IF SOMEBODY IS WATCHING, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE PEOPLE JUST THROWING THE STUFF OUT THE CAR. THEY JUST DROP IT IN THE STREET LIKE IT'S LIKE IT'S NOTHING. SO I SEE THEM DOING THE WORK. IT'S JUST THE EDUCATION PIECE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THROWING THE STUFF IN THE STREET OR JUST THROWING IT ON THE SIDEWALK. MEN OF INTELLIGENCE CLEAN UP THE OFF RAMP OF 166 ALL THE TIME. TWO HOURS LATER, IT'S ALMOST AS IF THEY NEVER CLEANED IT. THEY NEVER CLEANED IT, BUT THEY THEY KEEP IT CLEAN. IT'S JUST THE EDUCATION PIECE OF EDUCATING PEOPLE TO THROW THE LITTER IN THE TRASH. AND IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. THEY THROW BABY DIAPERS IN THE WAKEFIELD PLAZA RIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT. THEY THROW FOOD BAGS, CHICKEN WINGS. AND SO IT'S. WORKING WITH THE OWNERS IN MAKING THEM CLEAN UP,

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BECAUSE I SEE THE PAPER BLOW THAT MANAGED TO FIND HIS WAY OVER IN THE WATER, OVER WHERE THE WATER TREATMENT CENTER IS. IT CAN BE CLEANED MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, BUT SATURDAY AND SUNDAY IS FULL OF PAPER, SO AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD WITH KROGERS IN ATLANTA SIDE BECAUSE IT WAS IMPACTING SOME EAST POINT WHERE THEIR LITTER WAS COMING FROM OUT OF THEIR PARKING LOT. SO WE KEPT THINKING THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN COMING OFF THE PARKING LOT, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT LOCATION I TALKED TO THE MANAGER AT THE WAKEFIELDS BECAUSE I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, WHEN THE TRUCKS COME OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT, THEY'RE COMING OUT AFTER THEY EMPTIED THE TRASH. THEY'RE COMING OUT APPARENTLY MIGHT NOT BE CLOSING. AND THAT'S HOW THAT TRASH IS BLOWING RIGHT UP ON THE FILTER PLANT, BECAUSE MELISSA'S TEAM GETS OUT THERE AND PICKS IT UP. SHE HAS A PERSON OUT THERE PICKING IT UP. WE HAVE A PERSON OUT THERE PICKING UP, AND THEN SOME DAYS YOU DON'T SEE IT AT ALL. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SEE. IF THAT SEQUENCE OF THAT TRUCK PICKING THAT UP MIGHT BE CAUSING THAT PROBLEM. SO WE'RE KIND OF MONITORING WE'RE MONITORING THAT. BUT THE EDUCATIONAL PART IS WHERE WE'RE STARTING WITH THE CHILDREN AND WE'LL BE HOPEFULLY I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE IT BY NOW AND I APOLOGIZE YOU ALL, BUT WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING COMING DOWN THE HATCH SOON. IN REFERENCE TO THE CHILDREN EDUCATION OF THE CHILDREN GOING INTO THE SCHOOLS AND CREATING THAT VIDEO, COMING UP WITH THAT SLOGAN THAT WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH. I JUST WANTED TO ADD RESURGENCE HALL. IT IS A STATE CHARTER SCHOOL IN EAST POINT AT THE OLD. WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT CHURCH ON? IT'S ON. IT'S A CHURCH. YEAH. WHAT WAS IT? EAST POINT CHRISTIAN CHURCH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM ACE HARDWARE. LIKE THEY RENOVATED THAT CHURCH THAT WAS THERE. SO THAT'S A STATE CHARTER SCHOOL. IT'LL BE A I DON'T KNOW IF THEY MADE IT A K-8, BUT ON YOUR SCHOOL LIST IF WE CAN ADD THEM. I KNOW I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS MISSING. AND WE WORK WITH THEM ON SOME OTHER PROJECTS. THAT'S A GOOD ONE, BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT WORKING WITH US TOO. THANK YOU. YEAH. IF WE CAN ADD THEM, THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR PUBLIC TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS BY THE COUNTY, AND ALSO STATE CHARTER SCHOOLS IN EAST POINT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I THINK YOU HAVE THE

[XI.5. Council Review and Discussion of the Proposed Gateway and Wayfinding Signage Design]

NEXT ONE, TOO. MR. REEVES PROPOSED GATEWAY AND WAYFINDING SIGNAGE DESIGN. SO WE WERE TRYING WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT. OKAY. WE WANT TO GET THE THE COMPANY THAT CAME UP WITH THIS PROJECT FOR US, AND WE WANTED TO BRING IT BACK TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL AGAIN. SO WE WANT TO GET THAT COMPANY TO COME AND DO THE PRESENTATION. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THEM HERE IN DECEMBER. IF NOT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO THE PRESENTATION OURSELVES. OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SENIOR INSURANCE ENROLLMENT WAS PULLED. MULTIGENERATIONAL RECREATION

[XI.6. Multigenerational Recreation Center Update/RFP/Design Update]

CENTER UPDATE RFP DESIGN UPDATE. MR. JONES. THANK YOU. MAYOR, COUNCIL, HAVE OUR DIRECTOR COME UP. AND I BELIEVE HE ALSO HAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM COOPER CARRY.

COUNCIL BE LOOKING AT THE AGENDA ITEMS. I THINK ITEMS NINE THROUGH 13 MIGHT BE ABLE TO AT LEAST GO TO CONSENT. AND WE CAN AMEND THE AGENDA TO PUT SOME ITEMS ON CONSENT AND THEN APPROVE CONSENT.

NINE THROUGH 13. IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE 1617. I MEANT 817 IS $1.5 MILLION. NO, 1618 OR 20, NO. 16 AND 1820. I WANT TO DISCUSS. THAT. WHICH ONE? YEAH WE DID.

WE TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. SO NINE THROUGH 13. AND THEN CONSIDER ALSO 16 AND 18.

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. VERY EXCITED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. I HAVE WITH ME, MISS SOPHIA WITH COOPER CARRY TONIGHT. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THE MILESTONES, TALKING ABOUT TIMELINES, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND SURVEYS, AND HOW THIS AMAZING FACILITY WILL FIT ON THIS PROPERTY. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO SOPHIA TO TAKE YOU THROUGH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE UPDATE ON THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL FACILITY.

WE'RE GOING TO AS MENTIONED, HE SHARED THE AGENDA. SO WE'LL JUST KEEP MOVING. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED. SO THOSE THE TEXT AND THE LIGHT GRAY IS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. WE'RE RIGHT NOW IN THE PHASE WE'RE WORKING ON PROGRAMING WORKSHOPS, PROGRAMING REPORTS AND COST MODEL ESTABLISHED. THE THINGS ON THE YELLOW. THE DELIVERABLES ARE YET TO COME. ALL RIGHT. SO FIRST THING IS THE SITE. WE RECENTLY RECEIVED AN UPDATED SURVEY. IT WAS PROVIDED FOR US AT THE END OF OCTOBER. AND WITH THAT SURVEY WE WERE ABLE TO VERIFY SOME THINGS ON THE SITE THAT WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT. AND SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE DARK GREEN AREA, WHICH IS THE FIRST KEY. THERE IS THE BUILDABLE AREA. THIS AREA IS LIMITED BY THE GAS LINE EASEMENT THAT YOU SEE THROUGH THERE. WE CANNOT BUILD OVER THE GAS LINE EASEMENT. THERE'S ALSO THE REQUIRED SETBACKS BY THE CITY OF EAST POINT, 40FT OFF OF BEN HILL AND EIGHT FEET ON THE ACCESS ROAD. AND THEN THE MAJOR CONCERN FOR THIS SITE IS THE FLOOD HAZARD AREA. MOST OF THE SITE IS FLOOD HAZARD AREA. SO. NOTHING THERE'S NO BUILDING ENTITY CAN BE BUILT THERE. WE COULD HAVE SUPPORTING COLUMNS IN THAT AREA. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE BUILD DOES NOT CHANGE THE PATTERN OF THE FLOOD ZONE. SO IN NO WAY CAN WE DEFINITELY MOVE IT TO ANOTHER PROPERTY RIGHT WHERE IT'LL CHANGE THE WATER AND THE WAY THAT IT RUNS ON ANOTHER PROPERTY. WE HAVE A CREEK ON THE SITE AND THE CREEK HAS A BUFFER ZONE AS WELL THAT WE CANNOT BUILD ON. AND YOU SEE SO YOU SEE THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE SPORTS FIELD, THE SPORTS FIELDS CAN BE PLACED IN THE FLOOD AREA AND THE PLAYGROUNDS CAN BE PLACED IN THE FLOOD AREA. AND SO SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS LOOKING AT EVERY SPACE SPECIFIC TO THIS FACILITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DIALING INTO THAT SPACE AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT NEEDS. AND SO THESE ARE THE PROGRAM.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE PROGRAM CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. AND AT THE SAME TIME, SO SINCE WE'VE RECEIVED THIS CLARIFICATION ON THE SITE SURVEY, WE'VE STARTED TO LOOK AT OPTIONS ON HOW THIS CAN FIT ON THE SITE. SO AS YOU RECALL, THE DARK GREEN AREA IS THE ONLY AREA THAT IS BUILDABLE. AND YOU CAN SEE SOMETIMES IN SOME OF THE ORIENTATIONS, THE BUILDING OVERHANGS THE DARK GREEN AREA. THAT WOULD BE A CANTILEVER, AND THERE WOULD BE SOME COLUMNS IN THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE STUDYING. SO IT IS A TIGHT, BUILDABLE AREA. AND IN THE POOL WANTED TO JUST BRING A LITTLE HIGHLIGHT TO THE POOL.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE YET TO WORK OUT ON THE SITE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE STRONGLY CONSIDERING IS WHERE TO PLACE IT. WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT WE COULD PLACE IT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT WE CANNOT DO THAT. IT HAS TO BE IN THIS BUILDABLE AREA. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE LIMITED WITH WHERE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WORKS. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT IT CANNOT BE DONE. WE'RE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IT IS CHALLENGING AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH. ALL RIGHT. SO SOME OF THE DUE DILIGENCE REQUIRED ON THIS PROJECT WAS A SITE SURVEY, WHICH WE HAVE RECEIVED AT THE END OF THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, A

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FLOW TEST, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM IN THE BUILDING. SO WE'VE RECEIVED THAT AS WELL AS WELL AS A THE PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT, WHICH JUST LET US KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ON SITE. OKAY. AND THEN SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL SCHEDULE FOR THIS PROJECT IS HOW THE PROJECT WILL BE PROCURED, IN OTHER WORDS, HOW THE CONSTRUCTION TEAM WOULD BE PROCURED. AND THERE ARE TWO PROCESSES FOR PROCURING THE CONSTRUCTION TEAM. ONE IS A HARD BID APPROACH AND THE HARD BID APPROACH. THE DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY DONE, AND ONCE THEY'RE COMPLETELY DONE, THEN WE WOULD PUT OUT A SOLICITATION, WE WOULD SUBMIT THE DOCUMENTS, THERE WOULD BE A, A, A BID SUBMITTED. RIGHT. AND THEN THE BID WOULD. BE SELECT. THE BIDDER WOULD BE SELECTED, RIGHT. CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR WOULD BE SELECTED. WE SEE THE TIMELINE FOR THAT. FOR THE DOCUMENTS TO BE COMPLETED WOULD BE AUGUST 2026. AND THE BIDDING PROCESS WOULD START THERE. THERE IS A SECOND PROCESS, AND I THINK THIS WAS INITIALLY SUGGESTED WHEN WE WERE PURSUING THIS PROJECT, THAT IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. THEY COULD BE PURSUED, SORRY, THEY COULD BE PROCURED AND ON BOARD BY MARCH OF 2026. CONSIDERING THAT THE PROCUREMENT WOULD START NEXT YEAR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, AND ONCE THEY ARE ON BOARD SO THEY DON'T NEED THE COMPLETE PACKAGE, THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT THEM AS A SERVICE. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD HELP US WITH IS COST ESTIMATING. THE OTHER THING IS SEQUENCING OF CONSTRUCTION. SO ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IS ON BOARD, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE LIBERTY OF RELEASING SEPARATE PACKAGES. ONE OF THE PACKAGES THAT IS TYPICAL FOR THIS PROCESS IS A LAND DISTURBANCE PACKAGE, WHERE THEY WOULD DO CLEARING AND GRUBBING, AND THEY COULD START THAT EARLY SUMMER. AS WE CONTINUE WORKING ON THE DOCUMENTS. AND ONCE WE COMPLETE THE DOCUMENTS IN AUGUST, THEY WOULD START THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION. ANOTHER BENEFIT IS THAT SOMETIMES THERE'S EQUIPMENT THAT'S LONG LEAD ITEM EQUIPMENT SUCH AS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT CAN TAKE AS LONG AS A YEAR TO PROCURE, SO AS LONG AS AS SOON AS THEY ARE PART OF THE TEAM, WE COULD GET THAT DESIGN WRAPPED UP AND THEY COULD START ORDERING ON THAT AS WELL. SO THIS IS THE OVERALL PROJECT. PROJECT SCHEDULE HELD UP A LITTLE BECAUSE OF THE SURVEY ITSELF. THE SURVEY THAT WAS RECEIVED.

SURVEYORS HAVE A LONG LEAD TIME. SOMETIMES ONCE YOU GET THEM UNDER CONTRACT, THERE'S STILL SEVERAL WEEKS THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT BEFORE THEY CAN GO OUT THERE AND GET THE SURVEY DONE.

SO WE ARE IN NOVEMBER AND WE ARE IN THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE. WE LOOK TO COMPLETE THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE BEGINNING OF JANUARY. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT IS DETAILED HERE.

BUT OVERALL THE DOCUMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT ARE SCHEDULED TO BE FINISHED IN AUGUST OF 2026.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S OUR BRIEF PRESENTATION. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL. EXCUSE ME. YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND ALL YOUR HARD WORK. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN ZONE. IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT FOR ME FOR ONE SECOND, AND I KNOW YOU NOTED YOU WERE PLANNING ON PUTTING A SPORTS FIELD ON THAT. MAYBE. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS? I KNOW, JUST PLAYING LIKE BASEBALL AND FOOTBALL AND LIKE THE INTEGRITY OF THE FIELD, IF IT GETS FLOODED AND THEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH CLEATS RUNNING IF THIS IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH. SO THERE THERE IS, THERE IS SOME CONCERN. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO WITH THE FIELD BEING THERE IS PROPOSE A DRAINAGE SYSTEM SO THAT WHEN THERE IS A HEAVY RAIN, YOU WON'T HAVE TO WAIT A LONG TIME FOR THE FIELDS TO DRY. OKAY. ALSO, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE LATER SLIDES. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. A AUGUST 2026 I KIND OF WANT TO. YEAH, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. IS THERE. AND AND THAT'S WHEN THE BIDDING PROCESS WILL START. SO THERE ARE TWO

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PROCESSES THAT WE COULD THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR ACQUIRING A CONSTRUCTION TEAM ON THIS PROJECT. RIGHT. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE HARD BID PROCESS, WHICH WOULD START AUGUST 2026.

IF YOU SELECT THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROCESS, THAT COULD START THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, AND THEREFORE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER COULD MOST LIKELY START LAND DISTURBANCE BY THE SUMMER. OKAY. SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

YES. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. I'M OVER HERE. OVER HERE. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. SO THE CREEK THAT GOES THROUGH THE THIS THIS PROPERTY IS THAT CAMP CREEK. WHICH I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WATER BODY IS CALLED. OKAY. ARE WE DOING ANYTHING TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AREA LIKE THE CREEKS ITSELF? IN OTHER WORDS, TO MAKE IT PART OF THE DESIGN FEATURE? YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER. YEAH. BECAUSE LIKE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BROOKDALE, WE HAVE A BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE CREEK. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT SUMNER WE HAVE LIKE THE PATH KIND OF GOES AROUND IT. IT'D BE A REALLY NICE FEATURE TO, YOU KNOW, WALK ALONG IT. AND I KNOW SOME OF OTHER AREAS THEY HAVE LIKE THOSE PICNIC BENCHES THAT SWING. THAT WOULD BE KIND OF NICE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. ALL OF THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED. WE'RE IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES. WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS GOING TO BE INCORPORATED WERE WALKING ROUTES ON THE SITE. SO THAT COULD BE PART OF THAT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO, IS SO EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS IN A FLOODPLAIN, A LOT OF PARKS ARE MADE FOR FOR FLOOD PLAINS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THAT THERE'S SPORTS FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY LIKE IS THERE A PLAYGROUND? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A PLAY AREA, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DRAW ON FAMILIES AND THINGS LIKE THIS TO THIS AREA. LIKE WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ARE WE PLANNING FOR FOR THIS? SO WE DO HAVE A PLAYGROUND SHOWN THERE. AND THEN ANOTHER SMALL THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE PAVILION. RIGHT. OKAY. I, I FORGET SOME OF THE OTHER EXTERIOR, BUT I THINK MOST OF THAT AND THEN THE WALKING TRAIL THAT WE DISCUSSED, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OF INTEREST. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, FOR DRAWING FAMILIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THERE'S A PAVILION, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE FAMILY REUNIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT PAVILIONS. OR IS THERE GOING TO BE LIKE POWER, A POWER SOURCE THERE? YES. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT. OKAY. ANYTHING IN THE FLOODPLAIN ANYWAY, WE'LL DO OUR BEST. WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN IT. YEAH. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE WATER. WATER PROOF AND WATER RESISTANT. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN SO THESE DARK BROWN AREAS ARE PARKING AND SITE CIRCULATION. SO WHERE WILL PARKING BE. SO PARKING IS NOT SHOWN THERE YET. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING, WORKING ON TO LAY OUT THE SITE. SO EVERYTHING WILL PROBABLY BE TIGHTENED UP ON THE FLOODPLAIN. WE DIDN'T PRESENT ANY PARKING LAYOUTS. LET ME SEE IF THE I DON'T THINK THE OTHER ONES SHOW ANY. NOT IN THIS ONE. YEAH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH. I WILL SAY THAT WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERN AS FAR AS PROVIDING THE PARKING THAT IS REQUIRED BY CODE FOR THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT. MAYBE GETTING A VARIANCE ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF PARKING AT THE GEORGIA SOCCER PARK BEHIND, YOU KNOW, AS A SUPPLEMENT. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. SO I KNOW THAT.

LET ME I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON A TIGHT TIMELINE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT GEORGIA SOCCER PARK HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING. PASSES BASED ON DESIGN. WE SHOULD HAVE.

HOPEFULLY, IF WE GO WITH THE CM AT RISK, WITH US BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET SOME TYPE OF MOVEMENT ON THE PROPERTY, I THINK IT'LL OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION. IF WE DID NEED AN EXTENSION ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE INITIAL MOU THAT WE HAVE, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD HOPE WE COULD PROBABLY GET INTO SOME TYPE OF COMMUNICATION WITH GEORGIA SOCCER PARK ABOUT HAVING ACCESS TO THEIR PARKING ON DAYS THEY'RE NOT HAVING EVENTS. THAT WILL BE OUR HOPE.

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OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS TARKIN, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER DID TOUCH ON A FEW POINTS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE TWO NATURAL WATERWAYS ON THERE AND THINKING ABOUT INTERGENERATIONAL RECREATIONAL PROGRAMING. SO MAKING SURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE NATURE TRAILS AND, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING ANY AND ALL OF THE FEATURES ON THE PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE COMPROMISED WITH THE AMOUNT OF BUILDABLE SPACE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO AS MUCH AS THAT WE COULD DO OUTDOORS FOR RECREATIONAL PROGRAMING WOULD BE JUST AS GOOD. THE FOOTPRINTS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BUILDABLE AREA, ONE STORY. WHAT WOULD THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE BE? BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, JUST GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE BLOCKS REPRESENT AND HOW LARGE IS THAT MASS. REALLY? YEAH. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON ALL OF THAT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S MORE DIAGRAMMATIC. BUT THE ONLY THING THAT COULD REASONABLY BE ON A SECOND FLOOR. SO THE SO THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ABOUT 100,000FTā– !S FOR ALL OF TE BUILDING PROGRAM. RIGHT. BUT THE ONLY THING MOST OF THAT IS GYMNASIUM. AND SO WITH THE GYMNASIUM YOU CANNOT YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. YOU CAN. BUT THERE IS. ADDITIONAL COST RELATIVE TO THE STRUCTURE. RIGHT. IF YOU PUT IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR, SIGNIFICANT COST. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE SPANS. SO FOR TYPICAL GYM THE SPANS ARE QUITE LONG. THE TRUSSES ARE ABOUT FIVE FEET DEEP. IF YOU WERE TO PUT SOMETHING ON TOP OF IT, THE TRUSSES MIGHT HAVE TO BE TEN FOOT DEEP. SO YOU'RE PAYING FOR TEN FOOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO USE. WE COULD BE CREATIVE AND GET YOU TO USE IT LIKE PUT SOME SOME ADMINISTRATIVE SPACES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LET'S SAY, IN THAT IN THAT AREA, HOWEVER, THE NEXT THING THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS TO WORK ON IS MAKING SURE THAT WHEN. YOU PUSH, PUSH, OH, DID I RUN OUT OF TIME? I HAVE YOUR ORDER. BUT WHEN THERE'S A GAME ABOVE THE THAT YOU WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, FEEL THE BOUNCING BELOW, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A LOT TO WORK OUT. IT'S NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE, BUT IT IT WILL INCREASE THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY. IF WE WERE TO LAYER THE COURTS. RIGHT. SO THE ONLY THING WE CAN LAYER ARE LIKE THE YOGA STUDIOS, THE MULTI-PURPOSE SPACES, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SPACES. AND THAT'S A SMALLER PART OF THE PROGRAM OVERALL. SO THERE'S A SMALL PORTION THAT CAN BE TWO STORIES, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT SERIOUSLY. RIGHT. BUT THE GYMS WILL HAVE TO BE ON GROUND LEVEL. SO WHEN THE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TWO STORY BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED CANTILEVER A PART OF THE PROPERTY, A PART OF THE BUILDING. AND SO THAT'S WHY I ALSO THEN WENT TO A SECOND STORY, BECAUSE WE WOULD CANTILEVER THAT AND SUPPORT IT IN THE FLOODPLAIN WITH THE. I THINK. YEAH. SO THE THE PART THAT I'M SO THE REASON WHY I USE THE WORD CANTILEVER IS BECAUSE THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS SITE IS THAT IT HAS A MAJOR ELEVATION CHANGE. OKAY. RIGHT. SO THERE'S THE CORNER WHERE THE WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED. LET ME SEE IF THERE'S A WAY I CAN USE A POINTER. YEAH.

SO RIGHT HERE IS LIKE PROBABLY THE HIGHEST PART. THAT'S THE HIGHEST PART OF THE SITE. AND THEN FROM THERE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS IT SLOPES DOWN. SO IT SLOPES DOWN FROM HERE IN THIS DIRECTION. AND THEN FROM HERE IN THAT DIRECTION. RIGHT. SO IF YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, THE FLOODPLAIN IS GOING UNDER THAT BUILDING AND THAT BUILDING IS CANTILEVERED OVER BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY. YEAH. BECAUSE THE TOPOGRAPHY IS GOING DOWN. SO NOT KNOWING JUST TOPOGRAPHICALLY HOW THAT WAS WHEN YOU SAID CANTILEVER, I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF A SECOND STORY. YEAH. YES. YEAH. AND THAT'S NO GO AHEAD. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY. BUT THAT IS THE BEST WAY. IF WE ARE GOING TO BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN TO CANTILEVER OVER AND ALLOW THE STRUCTURE TO TOUCH THE FLOODPLAIN, THAT MAKES THE LEAST IMPACT. AS FAR AS CHANGING THE ROUTING OF THE WATER. RIGHT. IF WE WERE TO ACTUALLY BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT, AND THAT COULD TAKE A LONG TIME.

RIGHT. AND SPEAKING OF THE GYMNASIUM BEING ON THE FIRST LEVEL AND WHAT TO DO, MAYBE STACK PERHAPS AN INDOOR TRACK THAT IS ATRIUM SO THAT YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE SPAN OF THE TRUSS, IT WON'T INTERFERE WITH THAT. BUT WOULD YOU GET UTILIZATION ABOVE THE

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GYM FLOOR FOR PROGRAMING AS WELL? ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROGRAM DESIRES. SO WE DO HAVE A TRACK DESIGNED FOR THE SECOND FLOOR PROGRAMED FOR THE SECOND FLOOR. ALL RIGHT.

TALKS ABOUT THE NATURE TRAIL. CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT THE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK WITH THAT PARTICULAR OPTION. WE COULD TO YOUR POINT START MOVING DIRT BEFORE AUGUST PERHAPS. AND WITH THE TO GO OUT FOR THE THE FIRST OPTION WITH THE HARD BID WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT POTENTIALLY TILL AUGUST TO BE ABLE TO START ANY KIND OF START THE BIDDING. AND SO THEN IT WOULD BE SIX, ABOUT 60 DAYS LATER BEFORE YOU HAVE THE CONTRACTOR AND MAYBE 30 DAYS LATER BEFORE THEY START DOING ANY WORK. DISTURBANCE. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE SOCCER COMPLEX, CORRECT? YES. SO, MR. CITY MANAGER, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE CITY AUDITORIUM? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY LOOKING INTO DOING BOTH. SO WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THAT AS WELL? SO THERE WAS A PRESENTATION I BELIEVE NOW WAS IN SEPTEMBER THAT I GAVE A LITTLE OUTLINE ON HOW WE CAN TACKLE ACTUALLY ALL THREE, BECAUSE I ALSO INCLUDED THE OLD CITY HALL IN IT AS WELL. AND THAT WOULD ALL FEED INTO I THINK WE HAD HAD OUR ADVISEMENT FROM OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, WHO IDENTIFIED ROUGHLY BETWEEN 42 MILLION TO THE LOW HIGH 60 TO LOW 70 MILLION OF OF VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT HE BELIEVED AT THAT TIME THAT WE HAD THE CAPACITY TO DO AND STILL MAINTAIN A DOUBLE A RATING, AS WHICH WHAT WE WERE WORKING WITH BEFORE, A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH OUR OUR AUDITS. WE GOT 2023 WRAPPED UP, AND WE'RE WORKING NOW WITH MOLL AND JENKINS TO GET OUR OUR 24 AUDIT WRAPPED UP. BY THE TIME WE WILL HAVE OUR 25 AUDIT, WHICH GOES TO OUR END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR, SO THAT EITHER WILL HAVE BEEN STARTED OR HAVE BEEN GETTING CLOSE TO WRAPPED UP. SO THAT WILL GET US RIGHT ON TIME, WHICH WOULD BE CRITICAL FOR GETTING A BOND ISSUE OUT TO LOOK AT ALL THESE PROJECTS. SO CERTAINLY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ZERO IN ON ONE, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON TWO AND POTENTIALLY EVEN THREE WITH EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE OLD LIBRARY, WHICH IS A SMALLER PROJECT, BUT COULD ALSO BE ADDED TO THE AUDITORIUM PROJECT. SO I THINK THERE'S ROOM THERE. WE JUST HAVE TO STRATEGICALLY MANAGE THOSE PROJECTS AND KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, OKAY, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO INCLUDE THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW FOR QUITE SOME TIME THE CITY AUDITORIUM HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE CONVERSATION, AND I THINK THEY STARTED BECAUSE IT USED TO. THE BUILDING WAS IN DISREPAIR, AND THEY PUT A ROOF ON THE BUILDING TO STOP IT FROM LEAKING TO PRESERVE WHAT THEY CAN. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY WISE FOR THE CITY TO GO AHEAD ON AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE WITH THAT, BECAUSE IT IT IS A REVENUE GENERATOR, ESPECIALLY WITH BIOETHICS BEING HERE IN EAST POINT. AND THEY USUALLY HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TO DO THEIR BALLET CONCERTS. AND IT WOULDN'T JUST BE FOR THEM, IT COULD BE FOR ANYBODY. BUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE HERE AND THEY COULD UTILIZE THAT SPACE AS WELL. SO IT WOULD BE VERY WISE IF THE CITY START THE CONVERSATION AS TO LOOKING AT HOW THEY CAN REDO THAT BUILDING TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN ROGERS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. NUMBER ONE, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT WHAT ABOUT I KNOW WE'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN, SO TWO THINGS CAME TO MIND. A RAINWATER CAPTURE SYSTEM. MOST PEOPLE ARE USING THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CAPTURE WATER, PUT IT BACK OUT THERE INTO THE UNIVERSE. BUT A RAINWATER CAPTURE SYSTEM IN

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HYDROPONIC GARDENS. I DID MY FIRST ONE AS A SCIENCE PROJECT LIKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND IT WAS AMAZING. SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS POSSIBLE. WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AS POSSIBLE. DESIGNS IN THE FLOODPLAIN PARKING. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARTNERSHIP WITH PARKING WITH THE GEORGIA SOCCER PARK. I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. PARKING.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT PARKING ANY SOCCER SEASON. YOU CAN GO OUT THERE TO THE PARK AND IT IS PACKED. IT IS PACKED. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONTINUE THAT PARTNERSHIP.

DIRECTOR PINKETT. AND IF WE NEED PARKING, THEN WE SHOULD TAP INTO THE GEORGIA SOCCER PARK. MY ONLY REQUEST. IT'S REALLY NOT MY ONLY REQUEST. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COFFEE SHOP, BUT I MEAN, WHO WOULD HAVE THAT IN THEIR REC CENTER? RIGHT? BUT A SENSORY MOTOR ROOM FOR SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN IN THE AREA. AND FOR ANYBODY WHO'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR OF EAST POINT, A SENSORY MOTOR ROOM, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW STUDENTS AND CHILDREN IN THE AREA THAT HAVE AUTISM, AND WE ALSO HAVE CORBRIDGE. SHE HAS A FACILITY IN THAT IN THE MARKETPLACE.

IT'S AN AUTISM SPECTRUM CENTER, CORBRIDGE, BUT A SENSORY MOTOR ROOM. WE COULD LOOK AT THAT.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS I KNOW THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A POOL AND MR. CITY MANAGER, THE INCREASE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR THE FACILITY, FACILITY TO HAVE A POOL VERSUS NOT IF YOU COULD JUST GET ME THOSE NUMBERS AND JUST GET THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THOSE NUMBERS, BECAUSE THAT IS A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE WITH THE POOL. HOW MUCH SPACE WILL IT GIVE US? MORE WITHOUT THE POOL VERSUS WITH THE POOL? I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BUTLER. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS RHETORICAL. GO AHEAD. HYDROPONICS. IS THAT DOABLE? YES, DEFINITELY. THE RAIN CAPTURE SYSTEM. I BELIEVE THAT'S VERY DOABLE. THE HYDROPONIC SYSTEM WILL. I'LL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE DIVING AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S DOABLE THERE AS WELL. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE POOL RIGHT NOW IS PLANNED AT 5000, WITH A DECK OF 3000. AND THEN THERE IS ABOUT 2400 FOR THE THE LOCKER ROOMS AND THE RESTROOMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE POOL, 2400FTā– !S. SO ALL OF THAT IS PAT OF THE POOL CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BUTLER. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. SO. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A COFFEE SHOP. I AGREE WITH MY NO, NO, I'M NOT KIDDING. WE HAVE TO IMAGINE WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE FOR 30 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. WE NEED TO BE VERY CREATIVE IN HOW WE SHAPE AND DESIGN THAT. AND I WANT US TO BE. I'M NOT LOOKING TO BUILD ANOTHER BASKETBALL COURT, ESPECIALLY NOT TO WE CAN HAVE ONE, BUT THIS SHOULD BE A PLACE WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN COMMUNE WITH SENIOR CITIZENS. SOMEONE CAN GRAB A COFFEE, AND THEN THEY MENTOR KIDS AND PAY THEIR UTILITY BILL OR SOMETHING. IF IT'S GOING TO TRULY BE MULTIGENERATIONAL, WHERE WE HAVE KIOSKS THAT CAN, WE NEED TO THINK BIGGER NOT IN TERMS OF MONEY, BUT IN TERMS OF SCOPE OF SERVICES. RIGHT. AND THE THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WAS TO, TO BRING IN A POOL. WE CAN'T EVEN START TALKING ABOUT A REC CENTER WITHOUT A POOL, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A POOL IN A GENERATION. AND THE REASON WHY WE LOST POOLS WAS BECAUSE OF RACISM. THE CONVERSATION, TO ME IS A NONSTARTER IF A POOL IS NOT IN IT. I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS AFFORDABLE, BUT ARCHITECTURALLY UNIQUE WITH PROGRAMING THAT WILL ATTRACT TOURISM AND BROUGHT IN KIDS MINDS. THERE. MY FRATERNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD LIKE TO DO SCIENCE EXPERIMENTS WITH ROBOTICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

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WE NEED TO START TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE REALLY. LET ME GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. LIBRARIES WERE ORIGINALLY MADE FOR BOOKS. PEOPLE DON'T DIGEST INFORMATION THAT WAY. SO THE CHALLENGE IS FOR US TO REIMAGINE WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF A LIBRARY, BUT STILL HOLDING TRUE TO SPREADING KNOWLEDGE. BUT NOW YOU ADDED, WE DON'T USE THE DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM ANYMORE, RIGHT? SO I DON'T WANT US TO CREATE A DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM RECREATIONAL CENTER. AND SO I THINK THAT WE CAN BE CREATIVE IN HOW WE APPROACH THIS, BUT IT SHOULD BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND GATHER AND EXPERIENCE AND SHARE THIS SPACE WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO IT IT IS AN ATTRACTION, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR RESIDENTS ON WARD D, AND THEN HOW WE MONETIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM EAST POINT, THEY GET IN FOR FREE OR AT A DISCOUNT, AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY PAY A PREMIUM. SO ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THE CITY OF EAST POINT KNOWS THAT AN INVESTMENT WAS MADE IN THEM. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS ARCHITECTURALLY, IS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT ANYONE THAT DRIVES DOWN BONE HILL WILL KNOW THAT A NEW FACILITY IS THERE. AND WE KNOW THAT'S THE MOMENT TO CELEBRATE THE, LET'S SAY, THE FORWARD THINKING OF EAST POINT. I THINK THAT THE USE OF THE FACILITY IS UNLIMITED, YOU KNOW, MULTI-PURPOSE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN A GYMNASIUM BESIDES BASKETBALL. WE KNOW BASKETBALL, WE KNOW VOLLEYBALL, BUT THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAIRS TO HAPPEN THERE, EVEN ROBOTICS COMPETITIONS, RIGHT? SO IT'S ENDLESS. AND AS PART OF THIS, WE MADE SURE THAT WE VISITED A FEW, VISITED AND DID RESEARCH ON A FEW DIFFERENT FACILITIES. AND WHAT WE FIND IS THAT FOR FOOD AND BEVERAGE, THEY'RE OFTEN OUTSOURCING THAT. YES. RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE A VENDOR THAT COMES IN AND TAKES ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY. AND SO WE'RE PROVIDING A SPACE FOR THAT AS WELL AS POWER FOR THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY POPULAR IS FOOD TRUCKS AS WELL. RIGHT. AND THIS SITE WOULD BE PRIME FOR THAT AS WELL. SO BOTH OF THEM WOULD BE AN OPTION DEPENDING ON THE ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE FACILITY. AND CANADA ECHO WHAT SOPHIA WAS SAYING. PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, I SPENT PROBABLY ABOUT THREE DAYS IN OHIO AT THE TEAM'S CONFERENCE, AND THIS FACILITY IS TAKEN TO AN ACCOUNT. EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST SAID, WE DID NOT WANT TO BUILD A COOKIE CUTTER REC CENTER. BUT MY TIME IN OHIO, I WAS ABLE TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING NATIONALLY TO BRING IN TOURISM. SO A LOT OF THE DESIGN CUES THAT YOU YOU MENTIONED ARE IN THE PLANS AND THE SMALL SCALE. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THOSE THINGS NOW WITH ROBOTICS, STEM, WORKING WITH SENIORS. SO THE THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOUR DESIRES ARE, IS, WILL BE IN THE PROJECT, IN THE PROGRAMS. BUT THAT IS THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT THAT WE WERE DOING. BUT IN OHIO, IT WAS A CONFERENCE FOR ALL OF TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS. SPEND TIME AND LOOK AND SEE HOW WE'LL BE ABLE TO MARKET EACH POINT, MARKET THIS FACILITY TO ATTRACT NATIONAL TOURISM. LIKE SOPHIA SAID, VOLLEYBALL, PICKLEBALL, I MEAN, IT'S TOURNAMENTS FOR EVERYTHING. SO HAVING THIS SPACE IN MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO REACH WHAT YOUR DESIRES ARE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TOO, IS IN SOME OF THESE, I WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER MY TIME TO TEACH MARTIAL ARTS TO KIDS. SO WE HAD A ROOM THAT WAS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VERY BIG, YOU KNOW. IT JUST HAS TO BE A ROOM THAT'S SET ASIDE WHERE WE CAN PUT MATS ON THE GROUND. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GO AT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, TOO. AND THE FLEXIBILITY OF IT, IT, YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER REGAN, THANK YOU. SO I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BUTLER ON THE SWIMMING POOL ASPECT OF THIS. AND YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES ARE WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICS OF THAT OTHER THAN JUST WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, SORT OF THE SPACE. YEAH. YOU HAVE LIMITED LIMITED SQUARE FOOTAGE TO PLACE THAT THING THE THE POOL. AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THE POOL, I GUESS PEOPLE HAVE VERY BUT YOU WANT A LITTLE SUNSHINE. AND SO BECAUSE OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE, THAT'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE, IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SUNLIGHT ON THE POOL.

RIGHT. WE HAVEN'T COMPLETELY FIGURED IT OUT AND WE HAVEN'T EXHAUSTED ALL OPPORTUNITIES ON

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THAT. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF. DOES IT SEEM DOABLE IN SOME CONFIGURATION AT THIS POINT? IN SOME CONFIGURATION? YES. NO.

SOUNDS VERY HOPEFUL, BUT. TAKE THAT FOR NOW. AND THEN I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON THE HARD BIDDING VERSUS SEEMA. IS THAT CORRECT? AND IF SO, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT FROM US AND ON WHAT TIMELINE WE'RE PROPOSING THAT TO YOU AS A DELIVERY METHOD FOR THE PROJECT? IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO.

RIGHT? IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DO. BUT CONSIDERING THAT THE SCHEDULE IS IMPORTANT, IT IS A WAY TO GET US MOVING A LITTLE FASTER. OKAY. AND SO WHEN WOULD THAT DECISION BE MADE? NEED TO BE MADE? I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY, BUT I SAY BEGINNING OF THE YEAR FOR SURE.

AND JANUARY 2026, COUNCIL OR CITY MANAGER OR HOWEVER PROCUREMENT HAPPENS. SO IT'LL BE THROUGH PROCUREMENT. MAYBE I SHOULD BE QUIET. WELL, I'M EXPERIENCED WITH BOTH TYPES OF APPROACHES THAT THAT WAS PRESENTED. I THINK THE CRITICAL PIECE IS GOING TO BE GETTING OUR AUDITS DONE. SO A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW FAST WE CAN MOVE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN BE ABLE TO REALLY LOOK AT BONDING WITHOUT THOSE AUDITS BEING DONE. AND REALLY JUST JUST THE THE THE 24 AUDIT NEEDS TO BE WRAPPED UP TO 25 IS IN ITS NATURAL COURSE.

AND SO THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED TO BE STARTED AFTER THE FISCAL YEAR CLOSES. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO HOLD ANY, ANY BOND OR ANY ANY BOND CONSIDERATIONS. BUT CERTAINLY 24 WOULD. AND SO WE NEED TO GET THAT WRAPPED UP. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE OBVIOUS ADVANTAGES AND I THOUGHT THE. PRESENTATION COVERED IT WELL. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A BENEFIT TO OUR CONTRACT CONTRACT MANAGER AT RISK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT IN GEORGIA, BUT ONE OF THE BENEFITS IS YOU GET A LOT OF INSIGHT ON THE COST BECAUSE THE CONTRACT MANAGER, WHO IS ACTUALLY OUT IN THE IN THE FIELD, IN THE INDUSTRY AND CLOSER TO REAL TIME ESTIMATES, CAN REALLY HELP YOU ZERO IN ON PUTTING TOGETHER YOUR NUMBERS. AND SOME IN SOME CASES HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH CONTRACTORS THAT ARE GIVING REAL GOOD NUMBERS, WHEREAS A HARD BID, WE MIGHT BE RIGHT THERE OR WE MIGHT BE OFF, WHICH MIGHT MEAN WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO OUT TO REBID. SO THAT COULD ACTUALLY SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS. SO I KIND OF LEAN TO CONTRACT MANAGER AT RISK BECAUSE WE GET SOLID NUMBERS AND WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE GUARANTEE TO HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS REAL IN LINE AND NOT RUN THE RISK OF HAVING TO REBID OR SHOP OR SHOP BID OR DO ANY OF THAT STUFF. SINCE TIME IS OF THE ISSUE, THAT'S A CERTAIN CONSIDERATION TO ADD TO TO THE TO THE OBSERVATION THAT WAS ALREADY PRESENTED. BUT I THINK FOR US, IT'S NOT SO MUCH HOW FAST WE CAN MOVE ON THIS PIECE, BUT HOW FAST WE CAN WRAP UP THOSE AUDITS OR THE AUDIT. AND THEN I THINK FIRST OF THE YEAR, MARCH AT THE LATEST, THAT IS FITS RIGHT INTO LINE. AND I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE OUR AUDIT WRAPPED UP AROUND THAT TIME FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. YES. THANK YOU. TWO THINGS. ONE, I'M GOING TO ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF MY COLLEAGUE, MR. BUTLER, AND THEN ALSO JUST PIGGYBACK ON MY COLLEAGUE, MR. FREELEY, REGARDING THE SWIMMING POOL. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THE CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE FOR US NOT TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL IN THIS FACILITY, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC POOL FOR GENERAL. THE GENERAL POPULATION OF EASTPOINTE WITHIN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE, AND ALSO GIVEN THE FACT THAT MORE BLACK AND BROWN CHILDREN DIE FROM DROWNING THAN THEIR COUNTERPARTS. AND SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE TEACHING WATER SAFETY AND SWIMMING FOR OUR CITIZENS HERE IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE AND GIVE THE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PUBLIC POOL, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ONE IN THE CITY AT THE MOMENT. THE THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I'M EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT ALL OF THESE PLANS. THE ONLY THING THAT I AM CHALLENGED BY, AND I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES HERE AT A MILLION TIMES IS STRUCTURED

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CITIZEN INPUT. AND THIS GOES TO MR. CITY MANAGER. WE HAD A KICKOFF REJUVENATION, IF YOU WILL, OF BOARDS, AUTHORITIES AND COMMISSIONS. THIS CITY HAS A PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION. SO JUST AS YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SAY WE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AND THEY LIKE THESE IDEAS. AND SO I'M HOPING THAT IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE NOT MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO THAT BODY, THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE WE ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE WITHOUT THE PEOPLE. AND SO WE SHOULD INCLUDE THEM IN THIS PROCESS AS WE GO ALONG. AND ACTUALLY, I'VE STARTED DOING THOSE MEETINGS. WE HAD ONE PROBABLY A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE ATTENDANCE UP, BUT WE ACTUALLY ARE SCHEDULED FOR THIS COMING THURSDAY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AT 7:00 AT MY REC CENTER. SO WE'LL BE DOING THE THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 7:00 FOR ANY OF THE APPOINTED NEW REPRESENTATIVES ON THEIR BOARD. AND WE ARE STILL WORK WITH, ALTHOUGH IT CAN'T BE A OFFICIAL FORUM, A QUORUM, I WOULD SAY WE WILL BE INCLUDING THOSE PEOPLE IN THE CONVERSATIONS. YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT MY APPOINTEE, I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S BEEN NOTIFIED OR ATTENDING. YEAH, WE SEND OUR EMAILS AND MY SECRETARY CALLS TO CONFIRM. OKAY, I'LL JUST FOLLOW UP WITH MY APPOINTEE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HE'S BEEN WANTING TO GET ENGAGED, OKAY? AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT HE IS RECEIVING THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER BATEMAN. YES. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE SWIMMING POOL AND KNOWING THAT THAT IN ADDITION TO THE GYMNASIUM, BOTH OF THOSE ARE VERY HARD ARCHITECTURALLY TO PUT IN THE SAME BUILDING ON A PLOT OF LAND LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S SMALL AND YOU ALSO HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEVATION CHALLENGES IN THE EVENT THAT AND I'M JUST GOING TO PUT THIS OUT THERE IN THE EVENT THAT IT MAY BE EASIER OR WHAT HAVE YOU, MAYBE WE COULD PULL THE POOL OUT OF THIS LOCATION AND PUT IT JOHN D MILNER, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE SITE OF ONE OF THE GHOST POOLS THAT THAT WAS SHUT DOWN DURING SEGREGATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO POOL POOL BACK THERE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE WOULD RESTORE THE WRONGS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AND THEN WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A POOL IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT. BUT THEN WE IT WOULD MAYBE UNLOCK THIS AREA FOR SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE MAY WANT TO PUT IN THAT REC CENTER. YOU KNOW, GYMNASIUM, COFFEE SHOP, MARTIAL ARTS STUDIO. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. BUT LIKE WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA. AND, AND WITH SUCH A SMALL SPACE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO HAVE THE MOST IMPACT FOR OUR PUBLIC DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MAY BE A PLAN, THAT JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. YEAH. WE PLAN ON EXHAUSTING ALL POSSIBILITIES WITH THE SPACE IS SOPHIA MENTIONED. THEY'RE TAKING A DEEP DIVE INTO THAT. BUT WE ARE ALREADY KIND OF LOOKING AT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET TO A PLAN B PLAN, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS ON THIS SPACE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT IF WE HAVE TO GO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THIS SITE MAP DEALING WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY IS VERY HELPFUL. INTERESTING THAT AFTER YEARS OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS ABOUT THIS SITE AND DESIGNS AND ALL OF THAT, THAT THIS FUNDAMENTAL STEP OF TOPOGRAPHY DIDN'T TAKE PLACE EARLIER BECAUSE THE THE CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO HERE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN DIFFERENT OR GOT IT MORE RIGHT, LIKE WITH THE FLOODPLAIN ON AREA ON THIS SITE, THERE'S VERY LITTLE BUILDABLE SPACE WHEN YOU MARRY THAT WITH THE GAS LINE EASEMENT BECOMES EVEN MORE CHALLENGING. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THIS ONE SLIDE, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND WOULD HAVE HELPED GUIDE AGAIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN OLYMPIC SIZE POOL AND THE DIFFERENT DESIRES FOR THIS SITE. I MEAN, DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S A UNANIMOUS COMMITMENT TO INCLUDING A POOL, AQUATICS WITHIN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION OFFERING. THIS SITE JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING TO POTENTIALLY GET. WHAT HAD BEEN ENVISIONED. LET'S JUST SAY IT IN THAT WAY. BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW AND TO BE ABLE TO MOVE

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FORWARD IN AN INFORMED MANNER AND REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW WE MAXIMIZE AND UTILIZE THIS SPACE TO BUILD A RECREATION CENTER, NOT ONLY FOR NOW, BUT THE FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF RECREATION AND THE INNOVATION THAT IS WITHIN THE PARKS AND RECREATION FIELD INDUSTRY AS IT RELATES TO PROVIDING THESE TYPES OF AMENITIES TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE WILL MOVE TO OUR LAST PRESENTATION. COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER. MADAM MAYOR, OH, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR LIGHT ON COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE. IF IF BEFORE WE MOVE THERE, WE HAVE TWO RESIDENTS HERE. CAN WE MOVE THAT ITEM UP? BECAUSE THIS IS PRETTY LATE FOR THEM. YEAH. I MEAN, I WAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH PRESENTATIONS. I DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD BE THIS LONG.

THAT ITEM IS, I'M ASSUMING ITEM NUMBER 19. IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME PROMISES HAVE BEEN MADE. SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO INFORM THE REST OF COUNCIL AS TO WHAT THIS RECOMMENDATION OR PROMISE IS.

BEING SO. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO ALSO HAVE ON HERE, AND I DON'T SEE IT. WAIVE THE RULE 26. DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE WE CAN EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT? WAIVE RULE 26. AND IT'S NOT EVEN ON HERE. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON HERE. YEAH I DON'T WHAT'S RULE 26 I DON'T HAVE MY RULES UP.

FOR RECONSIDERATION. OH MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. I DON'T THINK THAT PASSED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS VOTED DOWN. SO MADAM CITY ATTORNEY AND NOW I'M TRACKING. IT'S BEEN A MINUTE. SO WE CAN GO TO ITEM NUMBER 19. I THINK THAT'S THE LAST. AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT CONSENT ITEMS. LET'S TALK ABOUT CONSENT ITEMS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE TWO MOTIONS AROUND THAT. ARE WE OKAY WITH ITEM NUMBER NINE BEING PLACED ON CONSENT. YES. ITEM TEN. YES. ITEM 11. YES. 12 1316. YES. YES 18. YES. I THINK THOSE ARE. YEAH. NO I DON'T I HAVE QUESTIONS ON 20 OKAY. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON CONSENT.

IF NOT WE'LL HAVE. 17 IS 1.5. YEAH 1.5 MILLION. PIGGYBACK. PROBABLY NEED SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE. AND NUMBER 14 THERE'S DISCUSSION THAT SOMEONE IS INDICATED FOR THAT ONE AS WELL. THE SO WE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA BY ADDING THOSE ITEMS TO CONSENT.

AND THEN WE'LL NEED A SEPARATE MOTION TO CONSENT FOR CONSENT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE CAN GO TO ITEM NUMBER 19. CAN WE GET A MOTION. WELL NO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR BECAUSE MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, THERE WAS A MOTION MADE AT A PREVIOUS MEETING. CAMERON.

WHICH ONE TO APPROVE PAYING THE. $3,000 DIFFERENCE TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER? THAT MOTION DID NOT PASS. THERE'S A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION THAT DID NOT PASS. AND WE HAVE A RULE THAT SAYS ITEMS CANNOT BE RE ENTERTAINED FOR 60 DAYS. ONCE THEY ARE VOTED ON BY COUNCIL. I PULL UP MY RULES. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH RULE THAT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT I YOUR RULE 26 AND SO. I GUESS MAYBE AND I'LL DEFER TO YOU TO CITY ATTORNEY. DO I NEED TO ALLOW THE FLOOR TO BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION TO SEE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS? BUT THIS IS AN ITEM THAT IS ALREADY BEEN ENTERTAINED. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROMISE OR RECOMMENDATION IS. THIS EVENING.

THE ONLY OTHER FACT THAT YOU MISSED IS THAT THERE WAS A MOTION AT THE LAST MEETING TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY CHANGE THAT WOULD WARRANT THE

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REINSTATEMENT OF THE MOTION. BECAUSE RULE 26 REQUIRES THAT FOR THE COUNCIL TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION WITHIN 60 DAYS, IN LESS THAN 60 DAYS, THERE MUST BE AN EXTRAORDINARY CHANGE THAT WOULD WARRANT THAT. BUT EXTRAORDINARY CHANGES MUST BE APPROVED BY TWO THIRDS VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. SO AT THE LAST MEETING, I DO BELIEVE IT WAS HERE FOR THAT ONE. MAYBE IT WAS NOVEMBER 3RD.

I THINK IT WAS THE MEETING. YOU WEREN'T HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE LAST MEETING WAS NO QUORUM.

SO AT THE NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING. THERE WAS A MOTION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY CHANGE THAT WOULD HAVE NEEDED TWO THIRDS OF A VOTE. THAT MOTION FAILED. AND I'M CONFUSED THEN. IF THERE WAS ACTION THAT VOTED DOWN, MOTION TO RECONSIDER, FAILED. THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS CAN COME BACK IN LESS THAN 60 DAYS, AND THAT DECISION FELL FOR LACK OF EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.

HOW DO WE GET HERE TONIGHT? I DO BELIEVE OH, YES. FEEL FREE. OKAY, SO I THINK THIS MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE A SHORTCUT ON ON WHAT I THINK IS A DISCUSSION THAT'S COMING OUR WAY. SO THIS IS ITEM IS ABOUT MY RECOMMENDATION. I THINK LOGISTICALLY THERE'S SOME THINGS IN MY RECOMMENDATION THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME. AND I CAN GO INTO DETAIL ON THAT. THE TIME MIGHT FALL RIGHT INTO THE LIMITATION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH MY RECOMMENDATION. AS FAR AS THE VOTES THAT'S BEEN TAKEN SO FAR, BUT THERE'S SOME. EXPLORATION THAT WOULD STILL NEED TO DO THAT COULD AFFECT THE AMOUNT OF THE REPAIR THAT WE NEED TO ESSENTIALLY DO. A CCTV CAMERA VIEW OF THE PIPE. AND WE WE HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT THAT IS ACTUALLY BROKE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTRACT THAT OUT AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE WHILE. SO WE MAY BE RIGHT ON THE SAME TIME FRAME ANYWAY. BUT I THINK THE COUNCIL CAN STILL HEAR THE RECOMMENDATION AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ASKING FOR ACTION PER SE. OUTSIDE OF LETTING ME KNOW TO PROCEED OR NOT, THAT YOU KNOW TO PROCEED OR NOT, BECAUSE ALL THREE MOTIONS AND ATTEMPTS HAVE FAILED. SO THIS IS ON THE SAME ITEM. WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERCEIVED TO ACTUALLY FIX ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, BUT TO CONTINUE THE EXPLORATION AS WE SEE CCTV, THE PIPE, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, IS THAT STILL CONSIDERED ACTION ON THIS ITEM LIKE IT'S I MEAN, FROM OPERATIONS KNOW IF HE CAN CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE. BUT LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS COUNCIL GIVES ANY DIRECTIVE ON THE ITEM THAT'S BEEN VOTED DOWN THREE TIMES THREE DIFFERENT WAYS. OH MY GOODNESS. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT MR. JONES HAS A RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YEAH, HE HAS A RECOMMENDATION ON. UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT SURE WHAT BECAUSE HE'S ALSO SAYING HE NEEDS TO DO MORE INVESTIGATION. SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE. CONTINUE WITH THE INVESTIGATION.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE INVESTIGATION. YES. YES. SO I DON'T THINK IT REQUIRES ACTION BY THE COUNCIL IF THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING TO DO, BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATION IS PART OF THE ORDINANCE. AND AND THAT HAS BEEN A PROCESS THAT HAD STARTED. IT'S IN IT'S IN THE WRITE UP RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO ACTION TAKEN. THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU'RE READY TO TO TAKE ON THE WAIVER SO WE CAN START THIS PROCESS. AND IT WILL DETERMINE HOW MUCH THE ACTUAL END RESULT REPAIR WILL BE, WHICH THEN IT CAN COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SATISFYING YOUR TIMELINE.

COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO CONSIDER THE WAIVER. OUR RULES DON'T ALLOW US TO CONSIDER ANY FURTHER ACTION ON THIS ITEM UNTIL 60 DAYS. SO IS I SEE PEOPLE IN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT A MOTION FOR HIM TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. SO UNLESS THERE'S EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU GUYS CAN CONSIDER IT. BUT HERE'S THE THING. WE WENT THROUGH THIS AT

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THE NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING IS THAT. THE PROCESS IS THAT ONCE THE INVESTIGATION IS DONE, THE STAFF GIVES THEIR INFORMATION TO THE CITY MANAGER. THE CITY MANAGER THEN HAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE REPAIR OF THE INDIVIDUAL'S PROPERTY BASED ON ANY STORMWATER DAMAGE, RIGHT? IF THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT COMPLETE, THEN I DON'T THINK IT'S TIMELY THEN FOR US TO HEAR A RECOMMENDATION. IF IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S GOING TO BE GIVEN, THEN IT'S TWO VOTES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN PRIOR TO YOU CONSIDERING IT. ONE IS A RULE 26. AS COUNCILWOMAN SHROPSHIRE SAID, TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE THAT FAILED AT THE LAST MEETING. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARY CHANGE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN RECONSIDER. AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXTRAORDINARY CHANGE IS THAT NOW THE CITY MANAGER HAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT THAT COULD BE YOUR EXTRAORDINARY CHANGE, THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO SAY. WE HAVE NOW NEW INFORMATION TO CONSIDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER WHAT TO DO WITH WITH THE PROPERTY. AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN RECONSIDER THE MOTION THAT FAILED LESS THAN 60 DAYS AGO. I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY CLOSE TO 60 DAYS. WHEN THAT ORIGINAL MOTION FAILED, I WOULD NEED THE CLERK TO TELL ME WHEN THE ORIGINAL MOTION CAME ON THE AGENDA. WHEN COUNCILWOMAN SHROPSHIRE MADE THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN COUNCIL COMMENTS TO APPROVE THE WAIVER OF THE $3,000, WE'RE LIKELY CLOSE TO THE 60 DAYS. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OCTOBER 20TH COUNCIL MEETING. I THINK THE RECONSIDERATION AND RE ENTERTAINMENT IS BEING USED INTERCHANGEABLY, BUT RECONSIDERATION HAS TO BE DONE DURING THE SAME MEETING. SO WE'RE DEALING WITH RULE 26 FOR ENTERTAINMENT. ENTERTAINMENT. SO 60 DAYS FROM OCTOBER THE 20TH IS AROUND DECEMBER 20TH, WHICH WOULD BE AFTER THE DECEMBER 15TH, THE THIRD MEETING OF THE COUNCIL THIS YEAR. SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING IF THAT IS THE CASE OR UNLESS THERE ARE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MITCHELL. COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCILMEMBER SHARON, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSION, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL SO WE HAVE TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO DISCUSSION. I HAD A QUESTION ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. YEAH, I'M I WAS TRYING JUST TO GET THROUGH THE PROCEDURAL PART OF IT. SO IF THERE'S A QUESTION ON THE PROCEDURAL PART OKAY. GO AHEAD. COUNCILMEMBER. SO ACTUALLY I WAS STILL IN SOME FOR SOME REASON IT KEEPS KICKING EVERYBODY OUT. YEAH. THE ORDER I HAVE RIGHT NOW, COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL ATKINS I'M NOT I DIDN'T I THINK I GOT KICKED OUT AND THEN I TURNED IT BACK ON OKAY. SO OH OKAY. SO I ALMOST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. SO I BELIEVE SO THE FIRST VOTE THIS IS STILL ON PROCEDURE. SO I KNOW WE'RE READING THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR THIS FOR MADAM CITY ATTORNEY. IF I REMEMBER THIS CORRECTLY, WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE PROCESS, THE APPEAL PROCESS. AND THEN IT CAME OUT THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT OR DENY. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF HE NEVER MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, WHAT EXACTLY DID WE VOTE ON THE FIRST TIME? AND THEN IS THAT STILL VALID SINCE OKAY. WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THE $3,000.

THAT WAS VERY HARD. SO I WOULD SAY SO WE CAN COME UP WITH OUR OWN RECOMMENDATION. SO ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ASSESSED AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION. I'M GUESSING THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT ONE, PARTICULARLY FROM THE CITY MANAGER, THAT. RECOMMENDATION I BELIEVE, CAME FROM COUNCIL PRIOR TO. SO THAT WAS MADE. SO THAT WASN'T SO THAT WAS KIND OF HER WARRANT, I WOULD SAY NOT NECESSARILY PROCEDURAL. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, I GUESS, AND YOU MAKE A MOTION AT ANY TIME. CORRECT ON TO WAIVE, I WOULD SAY ANYTHING. BUT DOES THAT AFFECT THE PROCEDURE OF THE CITY MANAGER GIVING US A RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT'S CAME BACK BECAUSE WE REMEMBER WE WENT TO ESTABLISH IF THAT MATTERS TO YOU. AND SO WE WERE WAITING FOR THE RECOMMENDATION. SO WE CAME BACK

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AT NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING. I THINK IN THAT PIECE OF. BUT I THINK THAT THE THIRD MEETING, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THERE WASN'T A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME. SO I KNOW SO IF IT'S, I GUESS, MY UNDERSTANDING, SO I CAN MAKE IT SO I CAN MAKE ANY MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE. BUT THIS, THAT AND THE THIRD. HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO OUR PROCESSES IT HAS TO COME. I MEAN YOU CAN MAKE YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AT ANY TIME FOR, FOR ANYTHING. SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY MANAGER. BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR MOTION WAS VOTED DOWN. DID THAT AFFECT THE CITY MANAGER'S ABILITY TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION AND STILL GIVE YOU ONE? I THINK THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS PROBABLY TO TRY TO INDUCE PEOPLE, PEOPLE, COUNCIL PERSONS TO VOTE IN FAVOR, RIGHT? LIKE WE WERE YOU GUYS WERE WANTING TO HEAR FROM HIM BECAUSE THE MOTION SOLELY BY COUNCILWOMAN SHROPSHIRE DIDN'T PASS, REMEMBER? RIGHT. AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN FREELY ASKED ME, WHAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION? AND I SAID TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE ORDINANCE, SAID. AND IT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE CONSENSUS WAS, LET'S GET THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER, RIGHT. PER OUR ORDINANCE. YES, EXACTLY. AND HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD HAVE MOVED THE COUNCIL FURTHER ALONG TO HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. RIGHT. SO I STILL THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT ON THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. OKAY. SO SO THAT'S MY THING. CAN WE CAN WE TALK ABOUT IT. BUT BECAUSE I'M HEARING THAT I CAN'T EVEN BRING IT FORWARD WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE RULE 26, I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I SAID WAS IF THEY WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION, THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. CAN I, CAN I, CAN I BECAUSE I CAN TELL EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. COUNCIL MEMBER. SHROPSHIRE. COUNCILMEMBER. ATKINSON. COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL, WERE YOU DONE? YEAH, I THINK THEY GOT THE GIST. SO I JUST WANTED REALLY CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WAS THE FIRST HOW THE FIRST MOTION WE VOTED ON AFFECTED THE ACTUAL PROCEDURE OF THE CITY MANAGER GIVING US A RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT AND IT DIDN'T. OKAY, OKAY.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE. HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED. IT WAS BROUGHT OCTOBER. SO THIS WAS STILL PROCEDURAL, NOT ON THE RECOMMENDATION PROCEDURE TO BE VOTED ON. IT WAS VOTED DOWN. THEN AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WAS NOVEMBER THE 3RD. I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT TO WAIVE RULE 26 THAT WAS VOTED DOWN. AND I REMEMBER SAYING WHEN THEY SAID TO GET A LET THE CITY MANAGER BRING A RECOMMENDATION, I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE IN THE SAME SITUATION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY THE TO WAIVE RULE 26 FAILED. SO THEY PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ANYWAY. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE WAIVE RULE 26 BECAUSE I SAID IT BECAUSE IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS NOW BASICALLY WE STILL DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AND YOU WON'T HAVE ONE UNTIL THE END OF DECEMBER. SO WE STILL CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE RULE WAS NEVER WAIVED UNLESS IT GOES ON THE AGENDA AND WE WAIVE THE RULE NOW. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS. THERE CAN BE A MOTION TO DISCUSS THE ITEM. ACTION ON THE ITEM IS THE PROCEDURAL DISCUSSION. I WASN'T AT THE NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING. AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE. YOU ALL, THERE'S A DESIRE TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE WHICH REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION, BUT BASED UPON WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID, HE NOT EVEN READY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT. HE'S STILL INVESTIGATING. SO I'M COUNCILMEMBER, COUNCILMEMBER I'M TALKING, I'M TALKING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHILE YOU'RE WHILE YOU'RE CHARACTERIZING WHAT MY POSITION IS, THAT IT BE ACTUAL SUCCINCT TO WHAT THE POSITION I HAVE SO I CAN CLARIFY. AND SO YOU FELT THE NEED TO TALK WHILE I WAS TALKING, TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT I CAN CLARIFY THAT. SO WHEN THERE'S A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION, YOU CAN TALK. BUT WHILE I CLARIFY THAT

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BUT WHILE I'M TALKING, OKAY, IT'S LATE, IT'S LATE. IT'S LATE. WE ALMOST. SO AS I WAS SAYING, THERE IS THE PROCEDURAL DISCUSSION. AND IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY RECOMMENDATION SUBSTANTIVELY FROM THE PERSON WHO'S THE CITY MANAGER, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. I'M GOING TO COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS.

AND THEN IF NO ONE ELSE CHIMES IN, I'LL GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL FOR A SECOND ROUND. I HAVE A QUESTION OF CITY MANAGER JONES AND THEN A QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

MR. CITY MANAGER, IS IT THAT YOU DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO HEAR THIS EVENING? I DO OKAY. AND SO THANK YOU. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY IS A MOTION, A PROPER MOTION IN ORDER TO MAKE A MOTION TO HEAR THE RECOMMENDATION, THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION FOR 2424 GREENWOOD CIRCLE IN ORDER. YOU KNOW, THIS GETS MORE CONFUSING BY THE BY THE MINUTE.

SO, YES, I'M NOT SURE. AND I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE OF THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE BY CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER. THIS IS ABOUT THE RULES AND APPLYING Y'ALL'S RULES TO Y'ALL'S ACTIONS. YOU'VE GOT A RULE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T RECONSIDER WITHIN 60 DAYS UNLESS THERE'S EXTRAORDINARY CHANGES, AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER IT IS AN EXTRAORDINARY CHANGE BY TWO THIRDS. RIGHT. OKAY. YOU ALSO GOT A RULE. RULE TWO I BROUGHT THAT UP TO Y'ALL ON NOVEMBER 3RD THAT SAYS ANY RULE NOT PROVIDED FOR BY THE CITY CHARTER OR CITY ORDINANCE OTHER THAN CHAPTER TWO, WHICH IS WHERE THE COUNCIL RULES ARE, MAY BE TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED BY A VOTE OF TWO THIRDS OF ALL MEMBERS DURING A SINGLE MEETING AND SHALL NOT BE REPEALED, ALTERED OR AMENDED UNLESS BY CONCURRENCE OF A TWO THIRDS OF ALL THE MEMBERS AT TWO CONSECUTIVE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS. THAT READS TO ME THAT YOU CAN'T WAIVE RULE 26. OH YEAH. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IT IS MY RECOLLECTION THAT WE'VE NEVER TAKEN ACTION ON ANY RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER. I AGREE, SO WHY WOULD THAT EVEN BE AN ISSUE? THE ACTION WAS TAKEN ON A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE THAT FAILED. AND SO THIS IS, IN MY ESTIMATION, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ACTION BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER HEARD THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER. THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO LOOK AT IT, TO BRING THIS FURTHER ALONG. AND I CAN AGREE WITH YOU. SO I MOVE I MOVE THAT WE HEAR THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION FOR 2424 GREENWOOD CIRCLE. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. MR. JONES. THANK YOU. SO AFTER. SO JUST TO GIVE A QUICK SYNOPSIS.

SO ON OCTOBER 10TH OF 2024, THE EASTPOINT WATER RESOURCES DEPARTMENT STORMWATER DIVISION RECEIVED A COMPLAINT AND LOOKED AT REGARDING THE SINKHOLE, WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT A SINKHOLE FOR MR. WILLIE JACKSON'S PROPERTY. UPON THAT, CONDUCTED AN INVESTIGATION THAT IDENTIFIED THAT THE CITY WOULD PARTICIPATE AND IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. SO THAT RECOMMENDATION REQUIRED ONE THIRD PARTICIPATION FROM THE CITY, WHICH WAS BASED ON A ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE, NOT THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE, BUT IT WAS A PRACTICE ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE. AND SO I COME ON BOARD. THIS WAS AROUND MARCH. THIS COMES TO ME UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE WAS KIND OF IMPRESSED TO ME THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF ORDINANCE, NOT REALLY BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE ORDINANCE, ACCEPTED THAT AND DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I THINK IT IS OCTOBER, UNTIL BEING IN OPEN MEETING WHERE WE JUST DISCOVERED THAT ACTUALLY THE

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ORDINANCE READS THAT THE CITY MANAGER CAN BRING FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION. AND SO UNTIL UP TO THAT POINT, I WAS LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS, OTHER PROGRAMS THAT COULD SATISFY THE $3,000 DIFFERENCE AND TO TO MEET THE PARTICULAR NEED. AFTER REALIZING THAT THE BEST APPROACH WAS TO USE THIS APPROACH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATION PROCESS, STAFF WITH ME DID SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION. WE REALIZED THAT THE PIPE THAT WE HAD INITIALLY THOUGHT WAS TAKING RUNOFF FROM THE ROAD WASN'T ACTUALLY SO. IT'S STILL A BIT OF A MYSTERY. THE FACT THAT IT IS IMPORTANT AND PERTINENT IS THAT IT COULD DRASTICALLY AFFECT THE TYPE OF REPAIR THAT IS DONE. SO IF THE LINE CAN BE ABANDONED, THEN ALL WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS COLLAPSE THE LINE, FILL IT IN, AND THAT WOULD BE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT IN PRICE THAN TO BRING IN A NEW LINE AND KEEP IT FLOWING. SO WE REALLY NEEDED TO DO A CCTV.

TELESCOPE SEARCH OF THE PIPE TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT PIPE IS DOING. ALL WE CAN TELL AT THIS POINT THAT THERE'S SOME FLOW IN THERE. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT FLOW IS COMING FROM, BUT THAT INVESTIGATION WAS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH THIS REPAIR WOULD BE. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS YES TO CITY REPAIR IT, BUT THEN TO ALSO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE OF FINDING WHAT TYPE OF REPAIR IS GOING TO NEED, WHICH REQUIRES FURTHER INVESTIGATION WITH A CC TV PROCESS. NOW WE PLAN ON DOING THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE WE GOT TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PIPE IS DOING. SO IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ANYWAY. I WAS ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO JUST USE THE, THE, THE LOGISTICS OF ACTUALLY BRINGING ON A CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR EQUIPMENT THE CITY HAS, BUT IS BROKEN AT THIS POINT. SO WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO CONTRACT OUT. DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW FAST THAT WOULD BE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOLIDAY SEASON AND ALL. SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROBABLY DO THAT AND STILL MEET THE TIMELINES THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THAT BEING THE CASE, MY RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT PIPE IS DOING, AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE PIPE IN SOME FASHION. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A REPAIR NOT TO EXCEED THE $9,000 THAT HAS BEEN INITIALLY IDENTIFIED, BUT THEN ALLOWING US THE ROOM TO INVESTIGATE, TO SEE IF WE CAN COLLAPSE THE PIPE VERSUS REPLACING THE PIPE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS, ARE YOU STILL IN? YES. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REPAIR, NOT TO EXCEED $9,000. BUT WE AT THIS POINT DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S CAUSING THE SINKHOLE. IS THAT CORRECT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT'S CAUSING THE SINKHOLE IS THE PIPE COLLAPSING AND CORRODING. SO THAT PART WE DO KNOW. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IS THAT PIPE BEING USED FOR. SO I THINK WE INITIALLY THOUGHT LIKE LAST WEEK THAT IT WAS TAKING WATER FROM OFF THE ROAD. AND THAT WAS THE FLOW. AFTER GOING BACK OUT, REALIZING THAT IT'S NOT COMING FROM THERE. SO WE STILL NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S GOING AND WHERE IT'S COMING FROM BEFORE WE CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF COLLAPSING THE PIPE AND ABANDONING THE LINE, OR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S STILL SOME KIND OF USEFUL USE, AND THEN REPLACING THE PIPE AND KEEPING IT OPERATIONAL. ALRIGHT, OKAY. THANK YOU. MADAM MAYOR. I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY MANAGER TO EXPLORE WHAT THE WHAT'S CAUSING THE SINKHOLE AND TO ALLOW HIM TO MAKE THE REPAIRS UP TO $9,000. SECOND DISCUSSION. IS THERE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION? SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION. SO HOLD ON A MINUTE, COUNCIL MEMBER. BUTLER. NO, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL AND COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I THINK THE ORIGINAL TO MR. CITY MANAGER, I THINK THE THE ORIGINAL ISSUE WAS EVEN THOUGH THIS PROJECT MAY HAVE COST $9,000, THE CONCERN WAS THE $3,000 THAT THE RESIDENT HAD TO PAY. AND I THINK IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IT WAS SAID THAT IT WOULD NOT EXCEED $9,000. THAT WOULD BE

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THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD MAKE TO THAT IS IF WE CAN MAKE IT AT NO. WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE IT AT NO COST TO THE RESIDENT. I THINK IT'S KIND OF THE REAL ISSUE HERE. AND IF IT DOES EXCEED $9,000, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, COVER WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT WOULD ONLY BE THAT WOULD BE MY KIND OF AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION WHEN IT'S MADE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT.

YES, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO FOLLOW CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION NOT TO EXCEED $9,000. SO CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION? TO COVER ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REPAIR? I THINK I'M NOT SURE IF HE INCLUDED $9,000, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. SO I GUESS THAT WOULD GO TO COUNCILMAN BUTLER. WOULD WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT THE CITY COVER ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS? YES. REPAIR. OH, YOU MEAN COVER 100% OF THE 100,000? YES, I WILL NOT, NO, IF IT'S OVER 9000. SO WHATEVER IT COMES OUT TO THAT IS COVERED. SO A BLANK CHECK. THAT'S THE ISSUE NOW. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. AND THEN WE WON'T BE SITTING RIGHT BACK HERE. IT COSTS MORE THAN $9,000. YEAH. EARLY IN OUR EARLY ASSESSMENTS WERE $9,000. WE I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN THAT. BUT OKAY, I UNDERSTAND YOUR YOUR AMENDMENT AND I, I WOULD SAY IF YOU IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY CONCERN LIKE THIS IS A BLANK CHECK. I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED IF THERE'S SOME 20% OR SOMETHING, SOME PERCENTAGE THAT IF IT GOES OVER YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT AGAIN, I CAN CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S OVER $25,000, WHICH IS THE LIMIT OF MY DISCRETION, RIGHT, RIGHT, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL ANYWAY. SO I THINK THE SPIRIT OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SINCE YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO COME, YOU FIRMLY BELIEVE IT WOULD BE UNDER $9,000. THAT'S WHY I JUST THINK BECAUSE IF IT IS OVER AND THERE IS SOME TYPE OF COST, JUST BECAUSE IT GOES OVER $9,000, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE SITTING RIGHT BACK HERE. SO, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO WORD THAT 100% OF THE COST, UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR. YES. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS JUST A TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT THAT COULD GET TO I KNOW 25. YOU HAVE TO COME BACK ANYWAY, MR. CITY MANAGER. SO. SO WHAT? TEN I MEAN, 15 OR 20, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, I WOULD SAY I KNOW, YEAH, NOT TO EXCEED. I KIND OF, I KIND OF FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, WE FELT REALLY STRONG WITH 9000, BUT LET'S JUST SAY 15,000. OKAY. SO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS TO COVER ALL COSTS, NOT TO EXCEED $15,000 FOR THIS FOR THIS REPAIR. THAT WOULD BE MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. COUNCILMEMBER BUTLER, DO YOU ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT IS MY COLLEAGUES? SECOND, WHO SECONDED, MADAM CITY CLERK, WHO WAS THE SECOND? SO BUTLER MADE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION, AND MITCHELL WAS THE SECOND. YES.

CAN THE PERSON WHO MAKING A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT SECOND, THE MOTION THAT THEY'RE AMENDING.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT AND THEN GET A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT, AND THEN YOU HOLD ON A MINUTE AND THEN YOU AND THEN SO THAT THIS AMENDMENT. SO THIS IS A LITTLE WEIRD TO ME. OKAY. SO THE CITY ATTORNEY IS SUGGESTING, COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL, YOUR MOTION IS TO COVER THE 100% OF THE COST NOT TO EXCEED 50, $15,000. IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND, BUT I HAVE A DISCUSSION SECOND ON THAT MOTION DISCUSSION.

COUNCILMAN MITCHELL OH, NO THANKS. COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE, THANK YOU. AND AND I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE AT THIS POINT. AND IT'S BACK TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE. WHAT IS THAT, OCTOBER 20TH, WHEN THE ORIGINAL WHEN I ORIGINALLY BROUGHT IT AND SAID, JUST GO AHEAD ON AND THE CITY GO AHEAD ON AND WAIVE AND PAY THE $3,000 TO ADD IT INTO THE 9000, AND THEN BROUGHT IT BACK TO WAVE RULE 26. SO WE'RE STILL AT THE SAME POINT WHERE WE WERE IN OCTOBER, AND WE COULD HAVE BEEN PAST ALL OF THIS. NUMBER THREE, THANKS. SO, MR. CITY MANAGER,

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LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. A YEAR AGO, THERE WAS AN ASSESSMENT MADE, PRESENTED TO THIS RESIDENT, CREATED ALL OF THIS. AND NOW THAT ASSESSMENT IS NOT ACCURATE. SO IT MAY NOT EVEN BE A STORMWATER PIPE. WE BELIEVE IT'S A STORMWATER PIPE. I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS FIRST DEVELOPED, THOSE MAPS AREN'T AVAILABLE TO US. THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP ON ON OUR MAPS AS A PUBLIC EASEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WE COULD TRACK. SO THAT'S WHERE THE THE CCTV REALLY MAKES AN IMPORTANT IMPACT, BECAUSE IF, IF BY OTHERS NEEDING TO, TO RELY ON THAT PIPE FOR SOME REASON, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE SAY COLLAPSE IT OR, OR IF WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE IT, THEN AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT IT IS ACTUALLY PROVIDING FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO WE REALLY DO NEED TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND I THINK TYPICALLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE EARLIER, BUT OUR EQUIPMENT, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND AND NO ONE CONTRACTED IT OUT. SO I'VE PRETTY MUCH SAID, HEY, LET'S CONTRACT THAT OUT, LET'S FIND WHAT THIS IS AND WE'LL DO THAT FIRST BEFORE WHATEVER REPAIR WE WIND UP ENDING ON. BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW WHERE WE ARE THERE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MYSTERY, RIGHT. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR EXPECTATION IS THAT THIS WILL NOW COST LESS THAN 9000? I BELIEVE THAT IS PROBABLY A GOOD CANDIDATE TO BE AN ABANDONED PIPE. BUT CERTAINLY I'M ONLY MAKING THAT ASSESSMENT BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND ANY CONNECTION TO IT. AND I INITIALLY THOUGHT IT WAS AT LEAST BRINGING WATER RUNOFF FROM THE STREET THAT WE'VE PRETTY MUCH HAVE SAID THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING THROUGH THERE. SO WE'RE NOT AT ALL IN THE SAME PLACE. WE'RE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME PLACE WE WERE A YEAR AGO, BECAUSE IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCENARIO. ESSENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY. I MEAN, AGAIN, YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, AND IN A LOT OF WAYS, YES, IT IS, BECAUSE THE REPAIR THAT WE WERE VOTING ON IN THIS ORIGINAL MOTION DOESN'T EVEN NECESSARILY NEED TO BE MADE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW THAT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET TO TELEVISE. SO WE DON'T KNOW IT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A BIG A BIG THING THAT IT'S GUESSWORK RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANKS. COUNCILMAN. CITY ATTORNEY HAD SOMETHING. NOT ALL THE TIME. OH, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. CAN I KNOW WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS THIS MAY NOT EVEN BE WORKING PIPE. JUST A DEAD PIPE OR SOMETHING. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. I KNOW, DIRECTOR ESTHER. MISS MELISSA. I'M SORRY, I WAS. THEY DID A THEY DID SOME SORT OF INITIAL INVESTIGATION. CAN SHE LET US KNOW IF IT WAS IF THAT, IF THAT IS A GOOD PIPE OR IF IT LEADS TO THE HOME OR ANYTHING, OR DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW, CAN I ASK. I'M SORRY, I THINK ASKING BASED ON THIS RECOMMENDATION, I THINK. YEAH. JUST THAT WHAT YOU'RE MAKING, WHAT YOU'RE MAKING THE YOUR RECOMMENDATION OFF OF BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT IT MAY NOT BE A PIPE THAT'S EVEN IN PLAY WITH REGARDS TO THIS RESIDENCE. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY COLLAPSE. SO I'M ASKING, CAN THE WATER SEWER DIRECTOR, CAN SHE CONFIRM OR DENY OR IT DOES REQUIRE MORE INVESTIGATION. WELL, CERTAINLY YOU CAN. YOU CAN ASK HER UP.

BUT THIS IS BASED ON HER REPORT. LOOKING AT THAT, SOMETHING'S FLOWING THROUGH THERE. AND I THINK INITIAL ASSESSMENT THAT IT WAS A GOOD CANDIDATE TO BE WATER FROM THE ROAD. WE'VE THEN WENT BACK OUT AGAIN BASED OFF MOST RECENT DISCUSSIONS AND AND SAID, WELL, IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE ROAD, BUT SOMETHING AT LEAST HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED AS FLOWING THROUGH THERE. SO AGAIN, AND THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REPLACE THE PIPE, WHICH IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN COLLAPSING IT. RIGHT. SO AND, AND THE COST WOULD BE CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BASICALLY ABANDONING THE PIPE. BUT IF THERE'S SOME FLOW IN THERE, WE

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NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS. AND EITHER WAY IT'S NOT A PIPE. IT'S NOT A CITY EASEMENT. BUT IT COULD BE HAVING SOME PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO WE JUST DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY TELEVISE IT, WHICH I THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE PROCESS BEFORE OF OUR EQUIPMENT WAS AVAILABLE TO US. SO WE CAN'T CONFIRM OR DENY TONIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I YIELD. COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU. I THINK I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE WATER AND SEWER DIRECTOR ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO ABANDON THE PIPE OR REPLACE THE PIPE, I DON'T KNOW. MISS ETCHEVERRIA. YES, I'D LIKE THAT. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST TO DO A POINT REPAIR. THERE IS NO CITY WATER FROM THE STREET FLOWING THROUGH THE ACTUAL STORM PIPE. THE STORM PIPE SERVES MR. JACKSON'S PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU SEE PRIVATELY OWNED STORMWATER SYSTEMS THAT WERE BUILT OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT OR RIGHT OF WAY, THE BUILDER DID THAT TO PROPERLY DRAIN THE PROPERTY. SO MORE THAN LIKELY, THE WATER THAT WE ARE SEEING, AND IT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT, IS TO SERVE MR. JACKSON'S BODY DOWN SPORES FROM HIS ACTUAL IMPERVIOUS AREA TO HIS ROOF TO MAKE SURE THE PROPERTY FLOWS PROPERLY. BECAUSE THERE IS AN ADJACENT CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY, RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE THE PIPE TERMINATES. THE CAUSE OF IT WAS TREE ROOTS, THAT'S ALL. THERE WAS A TREE THAT WAS REMOVED TEN YEARS AGO, AND THE ROOTS BEYOND THAT BEGIN TO GROW, AND THEY JUST SEPARATED. THE CONCRETE PIPE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE OUTFALL PIPE THE SEPARATION OF THE ROOTS. AND THE CAMERA DID GO THROUGH, BUT WE CAN'T PUSH A CAMERA THROUGH A BLOCKAGE. SO WE ONLY WENT TO THE POINT REPAIR. BUT WHEN WE CAN LOOK OVER THE TOP OF THE HOLE, IT WAS JUST FROM TREE ROOTS THAT SEPARATED THE CONCRETE PIPE. IN TERMS OF THE FLOW OF WATER. THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TELL YOU WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM. A LOT OF DRAINS COULD HAVE BEEN COVERED, AND WE SEE THAT OFTEN IN STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEMS WHERE PEOPLE EITHER PAVED OVER IT, GRASSED IT OVER, AND NOT REALLY KNOWING IT, WE MAY NOT EVER BE ABLE TO FIND IT, BUT IN TERMS OF ANY CITY STORM DRAIN, PHYSICALLY COMING OFF THE STREET, GOING TO THE PIPE, IT DOES NOT. IT DOES NOT. SO AGAIN, WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD. WE WENT AS FAR AS WE COULD IN THE PIPE. WE USED PIPES DATA FROM 30 YEARS AGO, CURRENT DATA TO MAP IT. AND AGAIN THAT PIPE SERVES THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. SO COLLAPSING THE PIPE AND ABANDONING IS NOT AN OPTION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO ENTAIL TO TAKE. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST A POINT REPAIR. AND AT THE TIME OF THAT ESTIMATE, THE TOTAL PIPE REPAIR WAS $9,000. TO BE HONEST, IF YOU VOTE TO TAKE THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE OF THE TIME FRAME, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A 10 TO 15% INCREASE IN THAT PRICE FROM THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE FROM THE PIPE IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. COUNCIL MEMBER SHROPSHIRE, YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL. SO EVEN WITH THAT BEING SAID. SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANTED TO INCLUDE A LITTLE EXTRA BREATHING ROOM, 10 TO 15% IN CASE, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE STILL WORKING ON IT. SO TO MY COLLEAGUES, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE. THEN WE DO HAVE A BACKSTOP OF $15,000 IF IT REALLY GETS OUT OF HAND. I MEAN, I'M TIRED OF DEALING WITH THIS. I'M PRETTY SURE HE'S TIRED OF DEALING WITH THIS. I HAVE SEEN THE BIG HOLE IN HIS YARD. LET'S JUST WRAP THIS UP. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS. MISS ECHEVERRIA, I'M SORRY THAT YOU SAID I HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU.

PLEASE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY. THIS PIPE. IS IT A CITY PIPE? NO. AND IT IS NOT WATER FROM A CITY STORM DRAIN? NO, IT IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY COMING FROM THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND WAS INSTALLED BY THE DEVELOPER TO HELP PROPERLY DRAIN THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTIES? YES. MR. JACKSON'S IN THE NEXT DOOR.

NEIGHBORS? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER FRIEDLI. SO IT'S NOT A

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STORMWATER, RIGHT? NO, BUT IT SERVES MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY IN MY INITIAL REPORT, I FELT LIKE IT WOULD QUALIFY. IT'S JUST NOT SERVING ONE SPECIFIC PROPERTY. SERVING TWO PROPERTIES. BUT ISN'T ISN'T THE KERNEL OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION THAT IT'S A CITY STORMWATER? NO, NO, IT'S IT'S KIND OF SO HOW THE PIPE GOES IS THE WATER IS BEING DUMPED FROM THE TWO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, BUT IT RUNS PARALLEL TO AND IT'S TRYING TO GET TO THE CREEK.

SO THE WAY I LOOK AT IT ALWAYS IS. IS IT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT? IF THE PIPE IS ABANDONED, YOU CAN HAVE MORE FLOODING THAT WILL IMPACT THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY. SO THAT'S WHY MY RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO ABANDON IT, JUST TO DO A POINT REPAIR, TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE PIPE A FUNCTIONING AS THE ORIGINAL BUILDER INTENDED IT TO, BECAUSE WITH THE VARYING WATER CONDITIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE NOW, I REALLY CAN'T TELL YOU THAT OR PROMISE THAT TO YOU. SO THAT'S WHY THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPOINT REPAIR. IT DOES SERVE MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY, BUT THE SINKHOLE IS ON AT THE TERMINUS OF THE PIPE AS IT LEAVES WILLIE JACKSON'S PROPERTY AND WHERE A TREE WAS REMOVED AND THE ROOTS CONTINUED TO GROW INTO THE LINE. RIGHT. OKAY, SO NOW I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL WAS AN ASSESSMENT FOR $9,000 TO REPAIR THE PIPE. YES, MR. JONES RECOMMENDATION WAS TO COLLAPSE THE PIPE, WHICH WOULD COST LESS. YOU ARE NOW SAYING THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT SERVES ANOTHER PROPERTY. CORRECT? I HAVE A PICTURE AND A PROPERTY PROFILE TO SHOW YOU THAT IT SERVES. IT SERVES MORE THAN ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDED REPAIR? IT'S JUST A POINT REPAIR RIGHT WHERE THE SINKHOLE IS FORMING. WE WILL CUT OUT THAT BACK SECTION OF PIPE, PUT NEW PIPE IN THERE AND THAT'S IT. IT'S JUST A POINT REPAIR OKAY. JUST TO AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE LOOK IN THERE, IT'S JUST TREE ROOTS. THE TREE WAS REMOVED TEN YEARS AGO. THE ROOTS CONTINUED TO GROW. AND IT'S A CAUSED SEPARATION OF THE JOINTS AND THE CONCRETE PIPE. OKAY. SO, MR. JONES, DID YOU JUST MISSPEAK IN YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE REPAIR OR WAS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS A DIFFERENT REPAIR? I HOLD ON TO MY ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE CCTV. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIRECTOR IS SAYING. I ACTUALLY GOT DIFFERENT INFORMATION. SO THIS IS NEW INFORMATION. OKAY.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIAGNOSIS. YES. VERSUS THE REPAIR. RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO DO A DIAGNOSIS BEFORE DECIDING ON THE REPAIR. AND SO THERE'S A RANGE. SO IF IF IN AND CERTAINLY IF THIS IS THE THE OUTCOME THAT IS ONLY TWO PROPERTIES THEN, THEN THAT COULD BE YOU KNOW THAT COULD BE THE RIGHT ASSESSMENT TO DO. BUT I AM NOT CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S THE THE FULL MEASURE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT. AND TO AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY KIND OF INFORMATION THAT SAID IT'S BEEN CC TV ALREADY. SO THAT'S NEW INFORMATION OKAY. THANK YOU.

COME ON. COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS. YES, MISS ECHEVARRIA, DIRECTOR HATCHER, I'M SORRY. I PROMISE THIS IS GOING TO BE MY LAST QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO GO WITH YOUR SAYING YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TREE ROOTS, BUT YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE PIPE BEING CLOGGED OR BLOCKED, RIGHT? YES. SO DO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE DO A POINT REPAIR, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER TREE ROOTS ALONG THE PIPE THAT WILL CAUSE THE SAME SEPARATION? OR DO WE KNOW THAT THERE THERE ARE ANY ALONG THE STRETCH? I MEAN, TREE ROOTS DO GROW INTO THE JOINTS OF THE PIPE, BUT THIS SPECIFIC PIPE, THERE WAS A TREE NEAR IT TEN YEARS AGO THAT WAS REMOVED. AND AGAIN, FROM THE PICTURES, THAT'S ALL YOU SEE IS JUST TREE ROOTS. IT'S THE PIPE ITSELF IS NOT CRACKED. THE SEPARATION OF THE JOINT AND THE TREE ROOTS ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY YOU CAN SEE IT. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE TERMINUS OF THE PIPE YOU CAN SEE IN IT. AND WHEN WE TRY TO PUT THE CAMERA THROUGH IT, THAT'S ALL YOU SEE IS TREE ROOTS. IT'S NOT LIKE A COMPLETE COLLAPSE OR DETERIORATED PIPE WHERE YOU SEE IT COMPLETELY CRASH INTO ITSELF. IT'S JUST A SEPARATION OF THE JOINT. SO AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION JUST WAS TO DO A JOINT REPAIR. AND THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE ALONG THE PIPE THAT WE COULD SEE. YES. SO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU CC AND T BEING SOMETHING, IT'S ONLY TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T GET

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PAST THE BREAK. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE WOULD RISK DAMAGING OUR CAMERA OR SOMEBODY'S EQUIPMENT FURTHER. SO WE GO AS FAR AS WE CAN GO, BUT WITH THE INFORMATION, WITH THE TREE ROOT, WE WENT BACK INTO GIS RECORDS AND PULLED UP TO SEE IF THE PROPERTY HAD CHANGED. AND THEN WHEN WE LOOKED INSIDE THE PIPE, THAT'S ALL WE SEE IS TREE ROOT DAMAGE. AND THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL REPORT THAT I SENT OUT A FEW MONTHS AGO. IT WAS TREE ROOT DAMAGE. BUT IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, IT'S JUST NOT SERVED, JUST MR. JACKSON PROPERTIES. IT'S HIS NEIGHBOR PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SHROPSHIRE. THANK YOU. STAY RIGHT THERE, MR. CITY MANAGER. WHO GAVE YOU THAT RECOMMENDATION? WHAT? YOU JUST RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY, TO THE COUNCIL. I CAN TELL YOU. STAFF, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. WE'VE ALL WENT THROUGH THIS. PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE SITE, REALIZED THAT IT WASN'T CONNECTED TO THE ROAD. AND THE REPORT I HAD THAT THE CD OF THE CCTV EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE HAS BEEN BROKEN AND THAT WE NEEDED TO GET THAT CC TV THROUGH A CONTRACTOR SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A FULL DIAGNOSIS. SO THE INFORMATION OF, OF OF WHAT DIRECTOR ECHEVARRIA IS PRESENTING WAS NOT PRESENTED TO ME IN ANY OF THE STAFF WORK UP TO THIS POINT. SO THIS IS NEW INFORMATION. SO LET ME SAY THIS. YOU TOOK RECOMMENDATION FROM THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. AND PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC WORKS SAID THAT IT WASN'T RUNOFF FROM THE ROAD. AND YOU HAVE THE WATER DIRECTOR WHO HAS A DEGREE IN THIS. BUT YOU TAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PEOPLE WHO WHO DON'T HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. AND NO, NO, WAIT. BUT SHE STOOD HERE AND SAID THAT HIS SERVICE TO PROPERTIES. SO IF YOU ABANDON IT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY HARM THE OTHER PROPERTY. AND I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, WHEN TREE ROOTS GROW UP IN IN THE PIPES, IT MESSES IT UP. YOU HAVE LEAKS EVERYWHERE. SO AT THIS POINT, LET ME ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SO DO I RESPOND TO. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. OKAY, SO, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY IN THE ORDINANCE DOES IT? WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, I WOULD RATHER ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE WATER AND SEWER DIRECTOR WHO HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. AND IF SHE HAS THE CAMERA AND IT WENT DOWN THERE. AND IF IT'S TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS THE PROBLEM, THEN WHY WE WHY YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO HER. SO, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT? YOU DON'T. BUT I DO WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION THAT HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS TWOFOLD. IT WAS THE MONETARY AND IT WAS THE REQUEST TO DO FURTHER. BUT. BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON TO TO PAY THE COST. SO WE ALREADY WE ALREADY IT'S NOT IT HASN'T BEEN VOTED ON BUT IT WAS IT HAD IT WAS A MOTION WAS MADE TO PAY UP TO $15,000. THAT WAS THE AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN. SO IF WE JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE WATER AND SEWER DIRECTOR, WHO HAS A DEGREE IN THE SITUATION, THEN JUST REPAIR IT, HER HER RECOMMENDATION, THOUGH, SHE SAID, JUST REPAIR IT. BUT IT'S RIGHT. BUT YOU STILL GOTTA TALK ABOUT THE MONEY. THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE CAN WE CAN VOTE TO PAY, TO PAY THE

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