[I. MEETING CALLED TO ORDER]
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          EASTPOINTE MARCH 9TH WORK SESSION, MADAM CITY CLERK, ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COUNCILMEMBER HEMMING, PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER. FREELY. PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER. ATKINS. COUNCILMEMBER. ZIEGLER. 
          PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER. COMICS. PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER. MITCHELL. PRESENT. 
          COUNCILMEMBER. CALDWELL. PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN. ROGERS. MAYOR. CHAPMAN, WE HAVE 
          [II.1. East Point Business & Industrial Development Authority 2026 Presentation Plan]
A QUORUM. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AND PROCEED WITH TONIGHT'S AGENDA, STARTING WITH THE PRESENTATIONS. AND THE FIRST PRESENTATION WILL BE FROM THE ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR THE EASTPOINTE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FOR THE 2026 PRESENTATION PLAN. EXCUSE ME, MAYOR CHAPMAN, SHOULD WE SCORE THE AGENDA TO DECIDE WHICH ITEMS WE ARE DISCUSSING VERSUS MOVING TO CONSENT BEFORE STARTING WITH PRESENTATIONS? OKAY. DO WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC BOARD HERE? ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL. MICHELLE ROGERS DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. TODAY WE HAVE AS A FIRST PRESENTATION PRESENTATION BY THE EASTPOINTE BUSINESS, INDUSTRIAL AND DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. I'M SORRY. MACY. OH, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE MINUTE. DO WE HAVE A TIMER FOR THIS PRESENTATION, PLEASE? IT'S FOR 15 OR 15. OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. AND SO WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE EASTPOINTE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TO SHARE WITH YOU THEIR PLANS FOR THE YEAR, AND ALSO TO TALK ABOUT THEIR BUDGET. I WILL INVITE CHAIRMAN STACY JOHNSON TO THE PODIUM. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL ALSO COMPANY HERE. TO THE PODIUM WITH ME IS MY VICE CHAIR, HELEN RANSOM. SO TODAY WHAT WE WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU IS WHAT OUR UPCOMING BUDGET IS FOR THE 26 FISCAL YEAR. SO RIGHT NOW, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW EXPENDITURES IN OUR BUDGET FOR THE COMING YEAR, WHICH IS OUR LEGAL COUNCIL, WHICH IS ABOUT $30,000 PER YEAR. THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WE PARTNERED UP WITH, THE OFFICE OF EQUITY INCLUSION. WE CREATED A WE CREATED A DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY EMPLOYEES. SO THAT PROGRAM IS IS $5,000 TO TEN FAMILIES THAT ACTUALLY ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE THAT ARE BUYING A HOME WITHIN THE EASTPOINTE EASTPOINTE CITY LIMITS. SO WE SET ASIDE $50,000 OF OUR OF OUR BUDGET IN ORDER TO GRANT THOSE GRANTS TO EACH ONE OF THOSE TEN FAMILIES. THUS FAR, WE HAVE AWARDED TWO OF THOSE FAMILIES GRANTS, AND WE'RE STILL TAKING APPLICATIONS FOR MORE GOING FORWARD. WE'RE GOING WE DID PUT THAT MONEY ASIDE FROM OUR OWN, FROM OUR OWN BANK ACCOUNT. BUT GOING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR OTHER PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY, BOTH CORPORATE AND INDIVIDUAL PARTNERS, TO HELP US TO FEED THAT FUND SO THAT WE CAN CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE EASTPOINTE EMPLOYEES. THE THIRD, THIRD EXPENDITURE IN OUR YEARLY BUDGET IS OUR WEBSITE, SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REBRANDING THE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT. 
          WE'RE THE NEW BRAND NAME FOR OUR ORGANIZATION WILL BE IN EASTPOINTE, AND WE DECIDED TO DO THAT TO GIVE A NEW FACE AND NEW NAME TO SOME OF THE EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IDEAS THAT WE WANT TO KIND OF GET BEHIND AND PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON TO HELP REALLY MOVE THINGS FORWARD WITH A NEW, FRESH FACE AND NAME FOR OUR CITY. SO WE SET ASIDE $12,000 FOR OUR WEBSITE FOR ITS CREATION AS WELL AS ITS MAINTENANCE. THE THE NEXT EXPENDITURE THAT WE HAVE IS IS FOR OUR TRAINING AND AND CONFERENCES AND DEVELOPMENT EDUCATION FOR NOT ONLY OUR OUR BOARD MEMBERS, BUT ONCE A YEAR WE DO A RETREAT WHERE WE ACTUALLY OPEN IT UP TO OTHER 
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BOARDS. SO IT IS OPEN TO ALL, ALL, ALL THE BOARDS IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT THE BOARDS INSIDE OUR CITY ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT OUR AUTHORITY'S CAPABILITIES ARE, WHAT THE ROLES ARE, AND WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY PAY FOR THIS RETREAT IN ORDER TO GET EVERYBODY EDUCATED AND CERTIFIED, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CERTIFICATIONS ONCE A YEAR. SO WE DO THAT RETREAT ONCE A YEAR, AND THIS YEAR WE WILL INVITE THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OUT AS WELL, SO YOU ALL CAN BE A PART OF THAT. SO YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR WHAT THE CAPABILITIES AND AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE BOARDS ARE, AND ALSO GIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR US ALL TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND INTERACT AND, YOU KNOW, BOUNCE IDEAS OFF EACH OTHER AND SO THAT WE CAN COLLECTIVELY WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD. 
          AND WE SAID WE SET ASIDE $10,000 FOR THAT. THEN OUR LAST AND FINAL EXPENDITURE IS JUST MISCELLANEOUS THINGS LIKE SUPPLIES, THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY WILL ENCOUNTER OVER THE NEXT YEAR. JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME MONEY BUDGETED IN THERE FOR THAT. AND THAT'S ABOUT $1,500. SO OUT OF OUR BANK ACCOUNT FOR THE NEXT YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN EXPENDITURE OF ABOUT $103,500. AND SO I WANT TO LET MY MY COLLEAGUE, OUR VICE CHAIR, MISS HELEN RANSOM, TELL YOU MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO OUR WEBSITE AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WITH EMPIRE EASTPOINTE GOING FORWARD. 
          SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF. FOR THE RECORD, AS STACY MENTIONED, MY NAME IS HELEN NICOLE RANSOM AND I AM THE VICE CHAIR FOR EASTPOINTE BUSINESS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, ALSO KNOWN AS NOW EMPOWER EASTPOINTE. RIGHT. SO BRIEFLY, I'LL JUST ADD THAT WE DID RECENTLY LAUNCH THE WEBSITE. IT'S BEEN ABOUT A MONTH THAT WE'VE LAUNCHED NOW, AND THE WEBSITE PROVIDES INFORMATION ON THE CITY. IT WE TOOK SOME OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND WE ADDED SOME DEMOGRAPHICS ON WHO EASTPOINTE CITIZENS ARE, WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE HERE ALREADY. AND SO THEY WILL GO TO THAT SITE AND FIND THAT INFORMATION. IT ALSO EXPLAINS THE ROLE OF THE BOARD. IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT HOW WE CAN HELP SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT THROUGH BONDS AND POTENTIAL TAX INCENTIVES. YOU KNOW, SO BASICALLY IT PROVIDES A SECOND POINT OF CONTACT FOR SOMEONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN BRINGING DEVELOPMENT TO THE CITY. OKAY, THE PLATFORM WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS WE AS WE ROLL OUT NEW INITIATIVES. AND SO REALLY, I'M JUST GOING TO CLOSE IN SAYING THAT OUR GOAL IS TO WORK ALONGSIDE THE CITY TO ATTRACT THE DEVELOPMENT, SUPPORT BOTH NEW AND EXISTING BUSINESSES, AND ENCOURAGE HOME OWNERSHIP. 
          AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS. NOW WE WILL GO THROUGH ONE. COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE DOCTOR HEMMING. GOOD EVENING, MR. DUNSON AND MISS RANSOM. NICE TO MEET YOU. AND GOOD TO SEE YOU, MR. DUNSON. I'M ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT EMPOWER EASTPOINTE. I JUST HAVE TWO BRIEF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. ONE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE UMBRELLA ORGANIZATIONS LIKE EMPOWER EASTPOINTE AND INVEST ATLANTA SOMETIMES INCLUDE MULTIPLE AUTHORITIES. AND SO I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU MIGHT SHARE HOW THE EMPOWER EASTPOINTE BRAND ALSO INCLUDES DDA AND THE EASTPOINTE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. SO. AS WELL THANK YOU. SORRY. YOUR MICROPHONE ON PLEASE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. AND I'LL LET MY MY COLLEAGUE WITH THE CHAIR OF DDA TO ALSO ELABORATE ON THAT. BUT YES, WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE TWO AUTHORITIES ON THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN WITHIN OUR CITY. NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND AND THE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY IS THE DOWNTOWN DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND AND THE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TO OUR AREA IS OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN AREA. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO COLLABORATE AND COLLECTIVELY WORK TOGETHER TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER ON. SO WE DO A LOT OF TALKING BETWEEN OUR CHAIRS AND, AND OUR BOARDS ON THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP EACH OTHER. SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO WORK COLLECTIVELY. WE ALSO LOOKING NOT ONLY JUST TO LIMIT TO THOSE TWO ENTITIES, BUT LOOKING TO ALSO WORK WITH THE MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION, THE BUILDING AUTHORITY, ANY, ANY GROUP WITHIN THE CITY. YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN SHOW SOME TYPE OF SUPPORT FOR BECAUSE AS WE 
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ALL WORK TOGETHER, WE WE CAN GET MORE ACCOMPLISHED WHEN WHEN WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND TRYING TO WORK SEPARATELY. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE WEBSITE AND JUST QUICKLY, I'M ENTHUSIASTIC. MY APPOINTEE TO YOUR BOARD, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IS MR. MARCEL HENRY. YES. THANK YOU. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THE ORIENTATION PROCESS IS GOING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CITIZENS ARE BEING ARE ABLE TO GET ENGAGED OR ABLE TO VIEW THE MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU ALL MEET HERE REGULARLY, BUT FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU JUST SHARE WHEN YOUR MEETINGS ARE SO THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT BIDEN IS DOING CAN PAY ATTENTION AND FOLLOW ALONG. OUR MEETINGS ARE ON THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 630 HERE IN CITY HALL. 
          BUT THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE CREATING THE WEBSITE IS TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO INTERACT WITH US NOT ONLY FROM A CITIZEN STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM A LOCAL CORPORATE OR CORPORATE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE OUR CORPORATE CITIZENS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AS AS OUR RESIDENTIAL CITIZENS. 
          SO WE WE WANT TO GIVE OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY ANYONE THAT'S LOOKING TO BE A PART OF THE EASTPOINTE COMMUNITY, OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MAY WANT TO COME AND FIND EASTPOINTE AT HOME, YOU KNOW, COME FIND EASTPOINTE AS THEIR HOME. WE WANT OUR WEBSITE TO BE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR CITY, INTERACT WITH US, HAVE AN OUT, YOU KNOW, OUTLET TO EITHER REACH OUT TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, OUR DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. JUST BE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN COME TO TO GET GET TO THOSE RESOURCES. 
          SO AND THAT WAS THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR THE WEBSITE. NOW IN REGARDS TO THE THE RETREAT THAT I WAS SPEAKING OF, WE'RE HOPING TO DO THAT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS BY MAY. SO THAT WILL GIVE OUR NEW MEMBERS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC AND OUR OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR NEW LEADERSHIP, THE ABILITY TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, AND AGAIN, THAT WE CAN ALL INTERACT TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY ASK GOOD QUESTIONS, ANSWER GOOD, YOU KNOW, AND COME UP WITH GOOD PLANS, STRATEGIC PLANS FOR OUR CITY. SO HOPEFULLY BETWEEN OUR WEBSITE AND THAT RETREAT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE GOALS. WELL, I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY SHARE. I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THE WORK YOU ALL ARE DOING. THANK YOU. THE NAME AND POWER EASTPOINTE CERTAINLY SHARES THE VISION OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE WORKING TO ACCOMPLISH. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THE COLLABORATION WITH THE OTHER ENTITIES, AND I WISH YOU ALL SUCCESS IN YOUR UPCOMING PLANS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          HAVE COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS AND THEN. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND JUST KIND OF TO ECHO A LOT OF WHAT MY COLLEAGUE DOCTOR HEMMING SAID, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT WHAT IT IS TO COME WITH REGARDS TO BAIDA AS WELL AS COLLABORATION WITH OUR WITH OUR DDA AND ALL THE OTHER DIFFERENT BOARDS THAT WE DO HAVE. I LIKE A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE IN ADVANCE. ADVANCE. I'M SORRY, INVEST ATLANTA, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS HERE WITH REGARD, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS THE HOMEBUYERS, THE FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS PROGRAM, THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, BRINGING BUSINESSES HERE AS WELL. I THINK, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU ALL BEFORE ABOUT THE CITY OF DULUTH AND WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO COMING TOGETHER TO REDEVELOP AND REBRAND THEIR ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA, BECAUSE, AS WE KNOW, THE COMMONS IS STILL SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO TAKING IT AND BRINGING IT TO FRUITION. WITH REGARDS TO SOMETHING HERE FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE HERE. I LOVE WHAT'S HERE. I'D LOVE TO SEE A COUPLE MORE ON POINTS OF INTEREST LIKE THE ART EXCHANGE THAT WE HAVE. BUT THIS IS A GREAT START HERE. I LOVE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE AND THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL OF US COLLABORATIVELY WORKING TOGETHER TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. MY QUESTION SIMPLY IS BECAUSE I AM IN SUPPORT OF IDA AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT YOU ARE DOING. IS THERE ASK FOR US TONIGHT FROM YOUR BOARD OR WAS THIS JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY? WELL, DEFINITELY FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES. RIGHT. 
          BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE DO WANT TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON. YOU KNOW, COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS MENTIONED SOME THINGS ABOUT EASTPOINTE COMMONS. SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU ABOUT AND SEE WHERE WE CAN TAKE THOSE. SO YOU'LL BE BACK BEFORE US? YES. WE PLAN TO COME BACK TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, OKAY. AT THE LATEST. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE, WE, WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN BE PURSUED BY THE USE OF THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES. THERE'S A LOT OF TOOLS AND RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY THAT CAN HELP BENEFIT THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE BEEN LEARNING AS WE'VE BEEN GOING ALONG, THAT THERE ARE SO MANY OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY BY USING 
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THE AUTHORITIES A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST. AND SO AS WE'VE EXPLORED THOSE AND BECOME MORE EDUCATED ON THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO SHARE THOSE WITH WITH OUR CITY LEADERSHIP. BUT JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND TO GET ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER SO THAT WHEN WE COME TO YOU, YOU KNOW, WE COME TO YOU WITH SOMETHING SOLID AND BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN ASKED. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. 
          AND THANK YOU, MR. DUNCAN AND MISS RANSOM, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES. I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE REBRANDING TO EMPOWER EASTPOINTE. IT IS ALSO MY HOPE THAT WITH THIS REBRAND AND THE REFRESH THAT IT IS A STRONG SIGNAL TO OUTSIDE INVESTORS THAT EASTPOINTE IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM TO BE A PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT WORK. THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD REALLY IS AROUND YOUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. IF YOU COULD JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND YOUR LEVEL OF SUCCESS IN THAT, AND MAYBE HOW YOU'RE MARKETING AND REACHING OUT TO THE EMPLOYEES, I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE. AND SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONTINUING TO DO THIS WORK. OKAY. SO AS WE MENTIONED, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION. AND SO THEY GO AROUND AND THEY HOST DIFFERENT SESSIONS EDUCATING THE EMPLOYEES OF EASTPOINTE ABOUT THE PROGRAM. THEY'VE TEAMED UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT LENDERS. AND THEY'LL HAVE THEY'LL HOST HOME BUYING SEMINARS ESSENTIALLY. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY BEEN MARKETING AND GETTING THE PROGRAM INFORMATION TO THE CITY EMPLOYEES. AND IN REGARDS TO THE SEED MONEY, SO WE, LIKE STACY MENTIONED, USE 50,000 OF OUR MONEY AS SEED MONEY WITH THE LONG TERM VISION POOLING CORPORATE FUNDS, LOCAL BUSINESSES TO SUPPORT THAT AND CONTINUE GROWING THAT RIGHT AND MAKING IT SUSTAINABLE TO NOT ONLY OFFER TO CITY OF EASTPOINTE EMPLOYEES, BUT ALSO TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY IN TO THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. WE LAUNCHED IT IN THIRD QUARTER OF LAST YEAR, AND WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY CLOSED TWO TWO. SO I THINK THERE'S MORE IN THE FUNNEL. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES WHEN BUYING A HOME. SO IT'S TAKING A LITTLE SEASONING A LITTLE TIME. BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY ACTIVELY TRYING TO WORK WITH OFFICE OF EQUITY INCLUSION TO GET THE GET THE PROGRAM OUT MORE OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. MY LAST QUESTION AND THEN I THINK OUR TIME IS ALREADY BEEPING FOR THIS PRESENTATION IS JUST AROUND HOW IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME DOLLARS AS A PART OF YOUR TREASURY. HOW YOU MIGHT BE I DON'T WANT TO SAY INVESTING, BUT KEEPING THOSE DOLLARS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN A HIGH YIELD ACCOUNT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT SPENDING DOWN SO MUCH, BUT YOU CAN TAKE THE THE INTEREST FROM THAT TO POUR BACK INTO SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU'RE DOING. SO THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT IT WOULD BE IN PERPETUITY, BUT IT COULD DEFINITELY EXTEND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER THE SERVICES, NOT ONLY TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT PERHAPS SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS. SO THAT WAS JUST AN IDEA THAT I WANTED TO SHARE. WELL, YOUR TIMING IS IMPECCABLE, BECAUSE THIS WEEK WE'RE ACTUALLY SORRY. YOUR TIME IS ACTUALLY IMPECCABLE BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING WITH OTHER FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THIS WEEK TO TRY TO SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR FOR THOSE FUNDS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW WE CAN BEST MAXIMIZE THOSE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO RETURN BETTER INTEREST, PROFIT ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE OPTIONS AND AT THE SAME TIME, STILL MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PURSUING OTHER BOND FINANCING DEALS, BECAUSE MOST OF THE MONEY THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BANK ARE THREE DO THE THREE MAJOR BOND DEALS THAT WE'VE DONE THUS FAR, INCLUDING ARDEN'S GARDEN, HOME DEPOT AND THE PORSCHE WAREHOUSE. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR MONEY HAS COME FROM THIS THUS FAR. BUT OF COURSE, WE'RE WE'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN IN WORKING WITH OTHER PARTNERS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE, MORE BOND FINANCING, BECAUSE AS WE DO THOSE TYPE OF DEALS, AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR PRIORITY IS, WE'RE WANT TO PUT THAT MONEY RIGHT BACK INTO OUR CITY. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE SITUATIONS WHERE AS ANY MONEY THAT WE COME IN, IT'S GOING RIGHT BACK INTO OUR CITY. 
          ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          [II.2. Downtown Development Authority's 2026 Plan and Budget]
THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM FROM THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FOR PLAN TO REVIEW THEIR PRIORITIES FOR PLANNING AND BUDGETS. GOOD EVENING AGAIN MAYOR COUNCIL. THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR NOW FROM THE CITY CLERK. DO WE HAVE A TIMER SET 
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AS WELL? THANK YOU. WE WILL HEAR NOW FROM THE CHAIR OF THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY CHAIRPERSON, SONIA BOOKER. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER. MY COLLEAGUE, VICE CHAIR MARK HARDY, IS IN ROUTE. HE SHOULD BE HERE PROBABLY SHORTLY BEFORE I FINISH. SO WE ARE THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. AND BEFORE YOU, I HAVE INCLUDED A OVERVIEW SUPPORT OF OUR BUDGET OVERVIEW. WE ARE NOT AS ROBUST YET AS BIDA, WHICH IS GREAT THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO JOINTLY WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT IN THE EXPERIENCE AND WHAT BIDA HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO, AND TO WORK ALONGSIDE WITH THE DDA, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. AND AS STACY MENTIONED, WE WILL BE COMING BACK SHARING SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS OF HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO MOVE THE CITY DEVELOPMENT FORWARD FURTHER, FASTER. SO EXCITED TO TO BE COMING BACK TO DO THAT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET ALLOCATION, WE HAVE BUDGETED $39,000 FOR OUR LEGAL SERVICES DOWNTOWN BUSINESS RECOVERY PROGRAM, WHICH WAS THE $30,000 THAT THE CITY WAS ABLE TO MOVE OVER TO OUR BUDGET FOR THE DOWNTOWN RECOVERY PROGRAM. WE HAVE 8500 ALLOCATED FOR TRAINING AND BOARD DEVELOPMENT, AND WE HAVE 7500 ALLOCATED FOR WEBSITE. AND SO WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A WEBSITE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WILL BE DOING, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING ABLE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, BOND INDUCEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND SO EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO COME BACK IN FURTHER THE AUTHORITY A LOT MORE AND MAKE IT A LOT MORE ROBUST. AND SO THE OVERVIEW SUPPORT INFORMATION JUST KIND OF TALKS ABOUT MISSION. IT TALKS ABOUT THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THE MONEY. AND THEN ALSO JUST KIND OF A ENVISION EASTPOINTE OVERVIEW. AND STACY TOUCHED ON THAT AS WELL. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO AS A JOINT AUTHORITY OR WORKING TOGETHER TO FURTHER THE CITY DEVELOPMENT THERE, PROJECTS LIKE THE COMMONS, OF COURSE. 
          THEN THERE'S OLD CITY HALL AND THE AUDITORIUM THAT ARE JUST SOME OF THE FEW THAT WE CAN NAME THAT IF WE WORK TOGETHER, WE COULD REALLY KIND OF STIMULATE SOME GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS THAT COULD BENEFIT THE CITIZENS AND THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SO EXCITED TO EXPLORE THOSE. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET AND THE OVERVIEW ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY. SO YOU HAVE IT'S YOU'RE DONE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION NOW. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. OH OKAY. WE'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PREVIOUS AGENDA. YOU. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS NEW. ALL 
          [II.3. Commercial Property Assessed Clean Energy (C-PACE) Financing Program]
RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, YOUR PRESENTATION ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT AND CLEAN ENERGY FINANCING PROGRAM. YES. ALL RIGHT. CAN I GO? ALL RIGHT, WELL, I WILL GET STARTED. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I AM EXTREMELY HAPPY TO HEAR THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THIS PRESENTATION FITS NICELY INTO INTO THAT DISCUSSION. WHAT I WANTED TO PRESENT TONIGHT IS JUST A TOOL THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT HERE IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. THE TOOL IS CALLED CPAC. IT'S COMMERCIALLY 
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COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ASSESSED CLEAN ENERGY PROGRAM. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS NOT ONLY TO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO BRING ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE CITY. SO YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I KEPT IT SHORT TO FIVE SLIDES. REALLY JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE THE PROGRAM ITSELF, SHARE HOW IT WORKS, SHARE A COUPLE OF BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM. ALSO SHARE AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROGRAM AND THEN GIVE AN OUTLINE. IF YOU KNOW THERE'S AN APPETITE FROM COUNCIL TO ADOPT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT IS THIS SPACE PROGRAM. BASICALLY THE SPACE PROGRAM. IT'S A FINANCING TOOL THAT HELPS ENCOURAGE ENERGY EFFICIENT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN EASTPOINTE. IT ALLOWS PROPERTY OWNERS TO USE PRIVATE FUNDING FOR BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. THINK OF THINGS LIKE SOLAR, SMART HVAC, WATER SAVING SYSTEMS, ETC. WHICH ARE ALL REPAID THROUGH TIME THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL. THE CITY. ONE KEY NOTE THAT I WANTED TO MENTION THE CITY DOES NOT FUND THESE PROJECTS OR TAKE ON ANY DEBT. IT SIMPLY ACTS AS AN APPROVER AND ADMINISTERS THE PROGRAM. SO HOW IT WORKS. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT INTO THAT. BASICALLY A DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER HERE IN EASTPOINTE WOULD GO OUT AND SECURE PRIVATE FUNDING. SO FROM A BANK THAT OFFERS FINANCING, ONCE AGAIN, THE SPACE PORTION OF IT FOCUSES ON FOCUSES ON USING THE FINANCING FOR ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE OR ENERGY EFFICIENT. I HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IMPROVEMENTS TO A BUILDING THAT THAT FINANCING COMPANY BANK WOULD BASICALLY LOOK AT THE PROPERTY HERE IN EASTPOINTE. THEY WOULD DO AN ASSESSMENT AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE YOU $1 MILLION TO USE TOWARDS THESE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS. AND THIS CAN BE PAID OVER 30 YEARS AT A, YOU KNOW, X ANNUAL RATE. WHERE THE CITY GETS INVOLVED IS THE CITY WILL AUTHORIZE ONE THE ABILITY FOR THAT BANK TO COME OUT AND DO AN ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY TO BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT, WE WOULD THEN APPLY THAT ANNUAL RATE TO THE PROPERTY TAX BILL. AND THREE, WE WOULD SET UP A PROCESS TO WHERE WE COULD COLLECT THE PAYMENT AND IMMEDIATELY REMIT IT TO THE LENDER. SO PAY IT OVER TO THE LENDER. AGAIN, I WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS THIS, THE CITY DOES NOT TAKE ON ANY OF THIS DEBT AND JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT NEXT SLIDE. SO THE PROGRAM BENEFITS. THIS IS MEANT TO BE A WIN WIN SITUATION NOT ONLY FOR DEVELOPERS BUT FOR THE CITY ITSELF. FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, IT GIVES THEM AN OPTION TO PROVIDE LONG, LONGER TERM FINANCING. SO THINGS LIKE 20 OR 30 YEARS TO PAY OFF THE DEBT. IT ALSO HELPS TO FUND UPGRADES THAT ARE OFTEN REMOVED FROM PROJECTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM CITY COUNCIL REMEMBER LAST YEAR THERE WHEN GREYSTAR A WAREHOUSE CAME BEFORE US, THERE WAS AN ASK TO BUILD A GREEN WAREHOUSE. UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE GREEN WAREHOUSE THAT WAS NOT ACCEPTED, A PROGRAM LIKE THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE DEVELOPER WITH WITH FUNDING THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP WITH SOME OF THESE UPGRADES AND NOT HAVE THE TRADITIONAL FINANCING CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY GO THROUGH. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE UPGRADES WOULD LOOK LIKE, OR WHAT WOULD BE LISTED UNDER CPA'S. SOME OTHER BENEFITS. FINANCING IT TRANSFERS WITH THE PROPERTY IF SOLD. SO ALTHOUGH THE DEVELOPER GOES OUT TO SECURE THE FUNDING BECAUSE THE UPGRADES LIVE IN THE BUILDING, IF THAT, IF THE DEVELOPER SELLS THE BUILDING, THEN THE THE FINANCING STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY AND IT IS PAID THROUGH THE PROPERTY TAX BILL. IT ALSO GIVES DEVELOPERS THE ABILITY TO APPEAL TO A DIFFERENT TENANT, ONES THAT ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS. SOME OF THE BENEFITS FOR THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. IT IS DEFINITELY A TOOL THAT WE CAN USE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE, THE, THE, THE BENEFITS THAT I JUST MENTIONED. 
          FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, IT ALLOWS US TO INCENTIVIZE BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPERS TO INVEST IN OUR CITY. AGAIN, THERE'S NO TAXPAYER FUNDING OR CITY DEBT REQUIRED. AND THE BIGGEST THING IS IT SUPPORTS ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND JUST A CLEANER OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE. NEXT SLIDE. SO EXAMPLES OF SUCCESS. ONE OF THE EXAMPLES IS INVEST ATLANTA. 
          THEY ADOPTED AND RELAUNCHED THEIR SPACE PROGRAM IN 2023. AND I'LL ALSO MENTION THIS IS A STATE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM FROM SCRATCH. THIS IS A PROGRAM 
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THAT'S ALREADY DEFINED BY THE STATE. IT WOULD BE US ADOPTING THE PROGRAM. SO INVEST ATLANTA ADOPTED THIS PROGRAM. WITHIN TWO YEARS. THEY WERE ABLE TO SECURE 16 MILLION IN FINANCE PROJECTS. ONE BEING THE MOST NOTABLE IS PULLMAN YARDS. IF YOU'VE EVER VISITED PULLMAN YARDS, THEY ARE KIND OF THE KING AND QUEEN OF TEMPORARY. MUSEUMS OR SHOWS THAT COME TO COME TO THE CITY OF ATLANTA, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO SECURE 3.8 MILLION IN FINANCING TO IMPROVE THIS DILAPIDATED BUILDING AND REPURPOSE IT IN A WAY THAT IS A MONEY MAKER FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTA. NEXT SLIDE. AND SO KIND OF WHAT'S NEXT? MY GOAL WAS REALLY TO INTRODUCE THE PROGRAM AS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY EXPLORE AS COUNCIL. THIS IS KIND OF A PHASED APPROACH OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO POTENTIALLY ADOPT THE PROGRAM. AS FAR AS JUST KIND OF GETTING, YOU KNOW, THE PROGRAM STRUCTURE FROM THE STATE, DRAFTING ANY COURT DOCUMENTS THAT WE WOULD NEED, AND WE'D HAVE TO GET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DO THAT. IF THERE'S ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL AND POTENTIALLY APPROVE A PATH FORWARD, OF COURSE, OPERATIONALIZE THIS WITHIN OUR STAFF SO THAT WE COULD COLLECT AND REMIT THOSE PAYMENTS AND THEN LAUNCH AND ANNOUNCE THIS AS A TOOL THAT WE COULD USE TO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S IT. I WILL SAY THIS IS JUST AN INTRODUCTION AND JUST THE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE, BUT I AM DEFINITELY OPEN TO DIALOG OF WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT AND POTENTIALLY BRING THAT TO TO COUNCIL. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. COUNCIL MEMBER CALDWELL I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO WITH THIS, THIS THIS FINANCING, THIS FUNDING, IS IT JUST FOR NEW BUILDS OR NEW BUILDS OR. I MEAN, COULD YOU USE IT FOR NEW BUILDS OR IS IT JUST FOR EXISTING PROPERTIES OR EXISTING STRUCTURES? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. FROM WHAT I'VE READ. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM. IT IS FOR EXISTING STRUCTURES. AND THE PURPOSE IS TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND. ASSESS THE BUILDING AS IT IS TODAY. THE BANK WOULD COME OUT AND ASSESS THE BUILDING AS IT IS TODAY AND DETERMINE HOW MUCH FINANCING THEY WOULD PROVIDE IN ORDER FOR THESE ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT YOU ON ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT TALKED ABOUT THE CITY COLLECTING THE PAYMENTS, THE THE LOAN PAYMENTS AND THEN PAYING THE LENDER, DOES THE CITY NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED? BECAUSE I KNOW WE JUST YOU JUST MENTIONED HOW INVEST IN LANTA DOES IT FOR PULLMAN YARDS. SO COULD ONCE EMPOWER EASTPOINTE GETS UP AND RUNNING BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE ONE ORGANIZATION JUST LIKE THAT ONE COULD. IS THAT AN OPTION THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY GETTING IT? BECAUSE, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY WOULDN'T THE THE BUSINESS OWNER JUST PAY THE, THE LENDER THEMSELVES? SO TO TO START OFF WITH THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION, THE BUSINESS OWNER PAYING THE LENDER THEMSELVES, THE ONE OF THE KEY PARTS OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO TIE THE FINANCING TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF. RIGHT? SO IF THEY WERE TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY AND SELL THE PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T. THE DEBT OR THE FINANCING WOULDN'T LIVE WITH THAT DEVELOPER, IT WOULD STAY WITH THE PROPERTY. AND SO THEREFORE IT WOULD NEED TO FLOW THROUGH THE CITY SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY APPLY IT TO THE PROPERTY TAX BILL. NOW, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE. AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, INVEST ATLANTA IS DOING THIS TODAY. WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK INTO HOW WE COULD GET VIDA OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, A PART OF THE PROGRAM. IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO EXPLORE. OKAY. AND DO YOU THOSE BANKS WHICH WHICH BANKS ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE FINANCING OR SO THERE WAS TWO THINGS THAT I LOOKED UP FROM A STATE PERSPECTIVE. WE CAN DEFINE WHICH BANKS THAT WE WANT THEM TO USE, OR WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY PART OF THAT PROCESS. THEY FIND THEIR OWN BANK THAT OFFERS THIS FINANCING. 
          AND SO WE CAN BE COMPLETELY HANDS OFF OF THAT PROCESS AND ALLOW THEM TO BRING THEIR OWN FINANCING TO US. WE WOULD JUST HAVE THE PROGRAM THAT SAYS, YES, THEY CAN GO DO AN ASSESSMENT ON A PROPERTY HERE, AND YES, WE WOULD APPLY WHATEVER THAT ASSESSMENT TO THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DEFINE. OKAY. SO NOW 
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WHAT I'M I'M WHEELS ARE TURNING HERE. SO AS FAR AS BRINGING DEVELOPERS IN IS THAT SOMETHING I GUESS WHAT WE COULD INCORPORATE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT JUST TO BRING POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS IN FOR THE EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT WE DO HAVE TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL FINANCING, SOME FUNDING OPTIONS THAT WILL NOW BE AVAILABLE. YEAH, I THINK WE COULD KIND OF HEAR FROM THEM TO SEE IF THERE WAS IF THERE'S SOME INTEREST THERE AND OR FUTURE DEVELOPERS THAT COME. 
          THIS IS BASICALLY AN OPTIONAL TOOL THAT WE CAN HAVE IN OUR BUCKET THAT CAN BE USED AT ANY TIME. SO IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. IT IS A TOTALLY VOLUNTARY PROGRAM. SO DEVELOPERS CAN, YOU KNOW, EXERCISE THAT IF IT'S THERE, I THINK WE CAN EXPLORE. SHOULD WE GET STARTED WITH IMPLEMENTING THIS? BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF STEPS THAT HAVE TO TAKE PLACE. AND THAT WAY, ONCE WE KIND OF GET INTO MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CAN BE USED VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE A TAD OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. OKAY, I'M DEFINITELY TRACKING ON THIS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SURE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN FRIEDLI AND THEN COUNCILMAN ATKINS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT SORT OF ODD, BUT IF WE'RE ESSENTIALLY COLLECTING AND REMITTING THE PAYMENT, WHAT IF THERE'S A SCENARIO WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER ISN'T MAKING A PAYMENT OR THERE'S SOME KIND OF ISSUE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE BANK? HOW DOES THE CITY SORT OF MITIGATE OR NEGOTIATE THAT? NO, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND THIS MAY NOT BE THE COMPLETE ANSWER. RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOKED INTO IS IF THE PERSON SAY DEFAULTS ON THE PAYMENT, IT FALLS THE SAME WAY, THE SAME PROCESS THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE IF THEY DIDN'T PAY THEIR PROPERTY TAXES. IT FOLLOWS THAT SAME PROCESS. SO THE CITY STILL WOULD NOT TAKE ON THE DEBT OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          IT JUST THEY WOULD DEFAULT ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AND THEN WOULD THE CITY INTERACT WITH THE LENDER ON WHATEVER THAT SORT OF COLLECTION WAS? BECAUSE ISN'T THE BANK STILL EXPECTING. 
          YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER BECAUSE I'M NOT CONFIDENT OR SURE OF THE THE 100% OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT WE CAN TAKE THAT AS AN ACTION ITEM AND JUST KIND OF FOLLOW UP. I DON'T KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT POTENTIALLY ENGAGING, ENGAGING GMA, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ANY MORE INSIGHT THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE, SINCE THIS IS A STATE PROGRAM, AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE A NEXT STEP WHERE I CAN TRY TO SEE IF SOMEONE WILL COME AND TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH, AND THAT IS A VERY VALID QUESTION. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ADKINS. YES, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CALDWELL. MY QUESTIONS WERE ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE OF COUNCILMEMBER FRIEDLI IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY OF ATLANTA. THE COUNTY OF FULTON COLLECTS BOTH THEIR COUNTY AND THEIR CITY TAXES. THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR THAT. 
          I THINK OURS WAS THAT WAY MANY YEARS AGO, BUT WE'VE NOW SEPARATED THAT. SO THIS WOULD BE A PROGRAM THAT EASTPOINTE WOULD COLLECT, NOT THE TAX COMMISSIONER FOR FULTON. 
          CORRECT? RIGHT. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND WE CAN CONFIRM THAT. BUT YES, THIS WOULD BE A PROGRAM TO WHERE THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE WOULD COLLECT THE TAX AND THEN REMIT IT TO THE LENDER. AND IN THAT INSTANCE, IT GOES TO MY MIND THAT WE WOULD THEN ALMOST BE THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE PROGRAM. RIGHT. AND SO WITH THAT, IS THERE ARE THERE ANY FEES THAT WE WOULD GET OFF THE TOP OF THE PAYMENT THAT WE WOULD THEN SUBMIT? BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO, I THINK AND I DON'T SEE MISS CARTWRIGHT, BUT THE CITY MANAGER. OH, SHE'S HERE. OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT HERE IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE, ALL OF OUR ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE, THEY ALL GO THROUGH CUSTOMER CARE. IS THAT CORRECT? SHE'S NOT AT HER HEAD. YES. OKAY. SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE STAFF ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM. SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW WITH THE CITY RECEIVE IN RETURN FOR THOSE MAN HOURS AND THE TIME THAT WOULD BE PUT INTO THIS PROGRAM? FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, WE CAN APPLY ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS SO WE CAN GET IT A UNDERSTANDING OF THE TIME AND EFFORT SPENT ON ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM, AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE COST IS ALSO APPLIED, IN ADDITION TO THE ASSESSMENT THAT THE BANK WOULD COME OUT AND DETERMINE IS RIGHT FOR THAT PROPERTY, SO THAT WE COULD RECOUP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT TAKING ON ANY OF THE BURDEN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROGRAM. AND IT TRULY IS A TOOL THAT CAN BE USED FOR DRIVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
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AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. SURE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE LEFT IN THIS ROUND. IN THIS PRESENTATION, COUNCILWOMAN HEMMINGS COLLEAGUE, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND THE FORWARD THINKING OPPORTUNITIES. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. ROGERS. IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, MR. CITY MANAGER. SURE. MR. ROGERS, I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW A CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT TAKE DEBT AGAINST A PROPERTY, AND THAT WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE FOR A FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER. SO I HEARD MY COLLEAGUE SAY THAT THIS DEBT FOLLOWS THE PROPERTY. AND SO IF I'M DEVELOPER A, I GO AFTER THIS DEBT AND THEN I WANT TO SELL IT TO DEVELOPER B, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO DEVELOPER B OR TO PROPERTY OWNER B, SHOULD THIS DEBT ALREADY BE ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY? DOES MY QUESTION MAKE SENSE? IT COULD BE THAT AS LONG AS THE INCENTIVE WOULD FOLLOW, THAT NEW BUYER, MUCH LIKE SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IF IF IF EITHER ONE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES INCENTIVIZE A, A CURRENT BUSINESS AND THAT BUSINESS OWNER DECIDES TO SELL, THEY CAN SELL THAT TO A NEW BUYER AS LONG AS THE BUYER IS IS WILLING TO BUY IT PENDING THAT INCENTIVE FOLLOWS THAT PARTICULAR PURCHASE. SO IT COULD WORK IN SIMILAR FASHION IN THAT WAY. I'VE SEEN IT DONE IN MANY TIMES BASED ON DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AGREEMENTS, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW IT'S DONE OR ADMINISTERED IN THE CITY OF ATLANTA, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT. AND ARE THERE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES LIKE THIS? SEEMS LIKE A REALLY AWESOME PROGRAM, BUT COULD YOU EVER ANTICIPATE THAT BUYER OR DEVELOPER A GOES AFTER THIS FINANCING IS NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT FOR SOME REASON, AND THEN NOW THIS THING IS AFFIXED TO THE PROPERTY. I'M JUST TRYING TO ANTICIPATE WHAT MIGHT BE THE RISKS TO A PROGRAM LIKE THIS. SO THERE ARE MEASURES YOU CAN PUT IN PLACE AS A CALLBACK THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GO AFTER THE FUNDS THAT WERE INCENTIVIZED TOWARDS THE PROJECT. BUT THE THE BUSINESS FAILED TO WENT INTO DEFAULT. FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF THAT, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN. AND SO YOU WANT TO PUT IN MEASUREMENTS THAT WOULD PROTECT THE CITY OR ANY KIND OF INCENTIVES THAT YOU MAY HAVE PASSED ALONG TO THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT OR DEVELOPER. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COLLEAGUE. GREEN DEVELOPMENT AND THIS TYPE OF INNOVATION I THINK IS WHAT OUR CITY NEEDS. ONE OF THE RISKS THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY IS BECOMING A HEAT SINK, AND THAT HAS HUGE IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT WE COULD LEARN ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM AND OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ENCOURAGE AND INCENTIVIZE GREEN DEVELOPMENT. SO KUDOS TO YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. 
          ARE YOU ON THIS TOPIC. YES. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER CALDWELL FOR BRINGING THIS PRESENTATION IN THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU. AGREED. THAT WAS AN AWESOME PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING PROGRESSIVE THOUGHTS TO THE CITY AND SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CAN BENEFIT FROM. SO THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. THANK YOU. I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. IF THERE IS AN APPETITE TO EITHER LEARN MORE OR POTENTIALLY DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK INTO THIS PROGRAM A BIT MORE SO THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN GET TO A PLACE OF ADOPTING. YES, I THINK. OKAY, THEN I CAN MAKE A MOTION. YEAH. SO I MOVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED STAFF TO ESTABLISH THE SPACE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL TO SUPPORT ENERGY EFFICIENT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER AND ATTORNEY TO PREPARE ANY NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND PROGRAM FRAMEWORK FOR COUNCIL TO ADOPT. MADAM. MADAM MAYOR, I'M JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE WE'RE IN A WORK SESSION, WHAT WE FIRST NEED TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO ALLOW US TO TAKE THE ACTION ON THIS. DO WE WANT TO MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING TO HAVE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL? WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO SUSPEND ITS. IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY. SO I MEAN IT'S UP TO EVERYONE. WE CAN SUSPEND THE RULES AND OKAY I THINK AN 
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ACTION WOULD. COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER ALSO BRINGS UP ANOTHER POINT. COUNCIL MEMBER CALDWELL. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE THE PRESENTATION DID NOT SAY DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. 
          OKAY, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT IF IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. YEAH, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. OKAY. SO SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING AGENDA FOR ACTION. YES. FOR APRIL FOR APRIL 6TH. OKAY. 
          OKAY. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA ITEMS. PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEMS. OH, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OKAY. SORRY. THIS SORRY AGENDA KEEPS CHANGING. POWER STUDY. POWER 
          [II.4. Power Rate Study]
STUDY BY THE CITY MANAGER. CITY MANAGER JONES, ARE YOU READY? YES. THANK YOU. SO AS WE CONTINUE OUR OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AND STUDY AND LEARNING ALONG THE WAY, UNDERSTANDING ONE OF OUR MAJOR ENTERPRISES, OUR POWER DEPARTMENT IS A PART OF THAT. 
          SO WE JUST ALSO RECENTLY UNDERSTOOD THAT ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY HAD MAYBE FORGOT ABOUT DURING THE COVID, WE NEVER REALLY REINSTITUTED, WHICH IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUMMER AND WINTER RATES. AND SO IN THE MONTHS, AMONGST OF MANY TOPICS THAT WILL THIS PRESENTATION WILL TAKE ON, WILL DEFINITELY TALK THROUGH THE SUMMER RATES AND WINTER RATES AND THE DISTINCTION AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR OUR ENTERPRISE. SO TO START OFF, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR INTERIM FINANCE DIRECTOR AND OUR ASSISTANT POWER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR AND LET THEM INTRODUCE OUR GUESTS. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MR. CHAD FROM IG. HE'S GOT HE HAS A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE OUR CURRENT RATE STUDY. SO I'M GOING TO LET HIM TAKE IT OVER FROM THERE. NOW. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? MY NAME IS JOHN WAYNE. I'M THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF ANALYTICAL SERVICE AT ELECTRIC CITY OF GEORGIA. 
          AND I WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR REVENUE VERSUS EXPENSE IN THE ELECTRIC ENTERPRISE FUND. AND SO WHAT I LOOK AT WAS SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, YOUR SALES REVENUE AS WELL AS YOUR BUDGET EXPENSE TO SEE WHETHER THERE'S ANY GAP. SO THE FIRST SLIDE THAT YOU SEE HERE IS A STATISTIC, A STATISTIC OF THE YOU SEE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL NON DEMAND, SMALL POWER, MEDIUM POWER LARGE POWER AND DATA CENTER. THIS IS FOR THE 12 MONTH ENDING FEBRUARY OF 2026. SO THAT MEAN GOING FROM FEBRUARY OF 20 20, MARCH OF 2025 THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 2026. 
          AND WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS THE NUMBER THAT I WOULD HONE INTO IS THE 43,000,008 81172. THAT'S YOUR TOTAL, THAT'S YOUR TOTAL SALES. AND BECAUSE DATA CENTERS HAS BEEN SINCE DISCONNECTED, THE ASPECTS OF REVENUE THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, 26 IS ROUGHLY 43,298,726. THAT'S IN YELLOW. THAT'S UNDER THE REVENUE. SO 43.3 MILLION. RIGHT. NEXT, PLEASE. SO ON THE LEFT HERE IS THE OVERVIEW. OVERVIEW OF YOUR BUDGET. THIS APPEAR IN YOUR BUDGET. YOU KNOW THAT YOU PUBLISH ONLINE I'M SORRY I CAN'T REALLY SEE THAT BUT. 
          ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE A REVENUE. IT'S SHOWN THAT YOU HAVE REVENUE OF 56.318 THOUSAND. AND THEN YOU GOT AN EXPENSE OF SIMILAR AMOUNT. SO YEAH, THE THE BUDGET SEEMED TO APPEAR THAT IT'S BALANCED. BUT THE REALITY IS NOT THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WHAT IS THE BUDGET HAS WHEN YOU COMPARE ACTUAL YOU TAKE ACTUAL SALES DATA AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS. THE REVENUE WAS OVERSTATED BY ROUGHLY 4 MILLION. AND THEN THE BUDGET MIAC PROCEED. ONE OF THE UNDER ALL THE FINANCING ITEM IS OVERSTATED BY 1.16 MILLION. AND SO ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE 
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APPROVED AN EXPENSE FOR 56.2 MILLION, BUT YOUR BUDGET, YOUR REVENUE IS GOING TO FALL SHORT. 
          NOW, ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, THE WHOLESALE REP POWER RIGHT NOW IS LOOK TO BE GOING TO BE ABOUT $1.8 MILLION LESS THAN WHAT'S STATED ON THE BUDGET. NEXT, PLEASE. SO THIS IS MY REVISION THAT WHAT I THINK IS THE BEST PICTURE OF WHERE YOUR ENTERPRISE ELECTRIC FUND IS. ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU HAVE ANTICIPATED REVENUE OF 52.6 MILLION. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION OF 54.5 MILLION. THAT'S ROUGHLY $1.9 MILLION SHORTFALL. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU ALREADY DIP INTO RESERVE ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE REVENUE SIDE, ALL THE FINANCIAL FINANCING SOURCES, THE 5.5 MILLION, 5.482 MILLION COMING FROM YOUR RESERVE FUND AND YOU ARE DIPPING 1.4 MILLION COMING FROM MCT. SO ESSENTIALLY YOU ARE TAKING FROM YOUR MCT AND RESERVE ABOUT 6.9 MILLION ALREADY. SO YOU ARE DIPPING INTO THAT. YET HERE WHAT IT SHOWS EVEN WHEN YOU DIP INTO IT, YOU STILL HAVE A ABOUT $1.9 MILLION GAP. THAT HAS TO BE MAKE UP. NEXT PLEASE. SO HERE'S ADDITIONAL DETAIL. BUT THE POINT WAS SUMMARIZED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. BUT HERE IS THE EYE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL DETAIL JUST IN CASE ANYONE WANT TO LOOK FURTHER INTO IT. NEXT PLEASE. SO THIS LEAD TO A SOLUTION RIGHT? NUMBER ONE IS SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES. THIS IS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION YOU CAN CONTINUE TO BORROW FROM RESERVE FUND BALANCE. THE CURRENT RESERVE FUND BALANCE I THINK IS ABOUT 9090 TO 100 DAYS UP CASH ON HAND. AND HOWEVER YOU WILL RUN A STRAIGHT UP RESERVE POLICY, YOU HAVE A RESERVE POLICY THAT REQUIRE ROUGHLY TO HAVE FOUR MONTHS OF CASH ON HAND FOR ELECTRIC FUND. THAT'S NOT THE $15 MILLION YOU SEE THERE. IT'S THE SET FOUR MONTHS. AND SO BASED ON A BUDGET OF 50 OVER 50 MILLION, THAT MEANS FOUR MONTHS EQUATE TO $18.2 MILLION IN CASH ON HAND. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE ROUGHLY 9100 DAY. SO THAT'S SEEM TO SAY THAT YES, YOU CAN BORROW, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO REPLENISH IT BECAUSE YOUR RESERVE POLICY SAYS SET. SO NOW YOU CAN ALSO BORROW FROM NCT. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CRITERIA YOU USE TO SAY THAT, HOW YOU CAN USE DEPLOY MONEY FROM MCT. I DON'T HAVE ANY FEEL FOR THAT. SO THAT'S FIRST OPTION IS BORROW FROM RESERVE. SECOND IS BORROW FROM MC. NEXT PLEASE. THE THIRD OPTION IS YOU HAVE A PCA. YOU HAVE A POWER COST ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2013. 
          AND ROUGHLY WITH FOUR MONTHS LEFT IN THE FISCAL YEAR, YOU ANTICIPATE USAGE FOR NEXT FOUR MONTHS IS 115.2 4,000,000 KILOWATT HOUR. SO IF YOU WERE TO USE SIMPLY USE A PCA TO BRIDGE THE GAP, THEN YOU NEED TO ASSESS A PC OF 1.67 1,000,001.671 PENNY ADDED TO THE CURRENT PCA, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT PCA IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 0.00399. SO IF YOU WANT TO BRIDGE THE GAP, YOU COULD ADD ANOTHER 0.01671 TO IT AND YOU WOULD BRIDGE THE GAP. NOW I ALSO PROVIDE FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION VARIOUS LEVEL PCA. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S DIFFERENT INCREMENTS IN HOW MUCH REVENUE YOU WOULD BE BRINGING IN BY THE ADDITIONAL INCREMENTS YOU HAVE UP THERE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ADD 0.0.002 TO THE PCA, THAT WOULD BRING IN ABOUT $230,477. BUT NOT, NOT NOT ENOUGH TO TO MAKE UP THE 1.9 MILLION OPTION. NUMBER FOUR IS YOU COULD TEMPORARILY DELAY PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE A LOT OF CAPITAL OUTLAY ARE BASICALLY UNDERGROUND PUTTING UTILITY CABLE UNDERGROUND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS THEY ARE PROVIDING RELIABLE SERVICE AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY AN OPTION. BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S AN OPTION THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE BECAUSE YOU HAVE PUT EMPHASIS ON RELIABILITY TO, TO TO STAFF HERE. AND OPTION FIVE IS A COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE OPTIONS. THOSE ARE SHORT TERM OPTION. NEXT PLEASE. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE POWER COST ADJUSTMENT HERE IS IT IS IN YOUR ORDINANCE. AND IT SAID HOW IS IT BEING CALCULATED? 
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ONE THING THAT'S UNCLEAR TO ME IS WHO HAS THE POWER TO TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. TYPICALLY WITH OTHER CITY, I SEE THAT COUNCIL DELEGATE THAT POWER TO THE CITY MANAGER OR ELECTRIC DIRECTOR TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, AND CITY ADMINISTRATOR OR MANAGER OR, YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR WILL SIMPLY NOTIFY COUNCIL OF THE CHANGE. BUT HERE IS UNCLEAR. BUT YOU DO HAVE THAT POWER TO RAISE THE PCA, AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2013. SO THAT'S THE LANGUAGE FOR IT. NEXT PLEASE. 
          SO NOW GO ON TO A LONGER TERM SOLUTION. THE LONGER TERM SOLUTION WOULD REQUIRE A LONGER TIME TO IMPLEMENT. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED IS IN YOUR ORDINANCE, YOU SEE BELOW, YOU BASICALLY HAVE A SUMMER WINTER RESIDENTIAL RATE AT SOME POINT. 
          I BELIEVE IN 2020 IT IT WAS WE WERE TOLD BY THE PREVIOUS FINANCE DIRECTOR THAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED NOT CHARGING SUMMER RATE. AND BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO USE WINTER RATE YEAR ROUND. I HAVE MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH PREVIOUS COUNCIL INCLUDE INCLUDING PREVIOUS MAYOR AND AND ADDITIONAL COUNCILMAN, FORMER COUNCILMAN SHROPSHIRE AND THEY HAVE NO RECOLLECTION OF THAT BEING TAKEN IN ACTION. SO THEY'RE FROM THEIR RECOLLECTION THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN. AND SO ESSENTIALLY STAFF IS STILL CHARGING WINTER RATE YEAR ROUND, EVEN THOUGH YOUR ORDINANCE SAY THAT THERE'S SUMMER RATE THAT TO BE APPLIED STARTING IN MAY. 
          SO AS AN ACTION ITEM, YOU KNOW, THIS INSTITUTE, WE INSTITUTE, A SUMMER RATE WILL BRING IN ROUGHLY 1.4 MILLION OVER 12 MONTHS. SO I MEAN, IT'S OVER 12 MONTH. THAT WAS THAT IS A LONG TIME. SO I MEAN IT'S IT DOES HELP. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT AS AN IMMEDIATE STEP, PLEASE CONSIDER BRINGING BACK THESE SUMMER RATE AND ALLOW STAFF TO BUILD THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT. NEXT PLEASE. NEXT IS WE ENCOURAGE REASSESSMENT OF ALL RATE EVERY 2 TO 3 YEARS. WE DID A RATE STUDY ELECTRIC RATE STUDY FOR YOU IN LAST JUNE OF 23RD, 2025. 
          AND WE PRESENT YOU. AND AS A RESULT THAT STUDY WE ALREADY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THE THE EXPENSE EXCEED EXPENDITURE. HOWEVER, THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME AND WE WOULD LIKE TO REENGAGE THE CITY TO REASSESS THAT. I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO REASSESS THE ENTIRE RATE BASE, NOT JUST ANY PARTICULAR CLASS OF CUSTOMER, BUT EVERYBODY THAT YOU HAVE RATES FOR. AND THE REASON FOR FOR REASSESSMENT IS THIS THERE'S VARIOUS FACTOR CHANGE IN COUNCIL PRIORITY, PRIORITY MEANING YOU YOU HAVE BEEN PUTTING FOCUS ON IMPROVING SERVICE RELIABILITY. THAT'S A COST TO IT. THAT'S AN INCREASED COST OF SUPPLY AND EQUIPMENT AND THAT'S BASICALLY INFLATION. AND THEN YOU GOT TARIFF THAT WAS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF YOUR CONTROL. THAT'S CHANGING CUSTOMER USAGE PATTERN. THAT'S A NEED TO REPLENISH RESERVE BECAUSE YOUR POLICY SAID YOU NEED FOUR MONTHS. AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE AT 9200 DAYS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S POTENTIAL REDUCTION IN TAX REVENUE. OR IT COULD BE INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE DEPENDING ON WHEN MICROSOFT COME ONLINE AND HOW MUCH OF THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. NOW THAT THOSE ARE THE LONG TERM SOLUTIONS. SO REASSESSING THE RATES THE PCA IS SUPPOSEDLY ONLY USED FOR A SHORT TERM TEMPORARY MEASURE. YOUR PCA HAD BEEN IN PLACE FOREVER. I THINK THE THE CHANGE THE THE PCA WAS IN PLACE SINCE 2013 UP UNTIL 2020, AND THEN IT WAS LOWER BY BY THE ACTION OF COUNCIL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE PCA USED TO BE 1.6 CENTS. SO YOU'RE NOW AT .0.39 $0.09. SO THAT WAS THE REDUCTION THAT IT COULD HAVE HELPED. AND THE LAST ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS GRADUAL RATE ADJUSTMENT IS BETTER THAN ABRUPT INCREASE. 
          AND THIS IS A STATEMENT THAT I BORROWED FROM FORMER MAYOR PITTMAN, WHO SAID WHO WAS SITTING AT THE COUNCIL SEAT BEING A MAYOR. AND SHE SAID, YEAH, GRADUAL RATE INCREASE IS GOING TO HELP. INSTEAD OF A SUDDEN RATE SHOCK. SO WITH THAT, I PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. COUNCIL. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T. ZIGGLER AND COUNCILMAN ATKINS AND COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN. SO COUNCILWOMAN ZIGGLER GO AHEAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR 
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PRESENTATION. SO I APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT LIKE A .0003 OF A CENT, BUT WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE AND HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT A UTILITY BILL. SO CAN YOU PRESS YOUR MIC OKAY. YEAH ONE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE .0399. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT CHART RIGHT THERE, IT'S RIGHT AT 4.04. THAT'S TYPICALLY BRINGING IN. I THINK ABOUT OH SO FOUR TIMES A THOUSAND. YEAH. 
          SO IT'S LIKE $4 FOR DOLLAR PER PER MONTH OKAY. YEAH. SO .399 YOU TAKE THAT 10,000 KILOWATT HOUR WHICH IS THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL RATE. THAT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, $3.99 PER MONTH. AND THAT'S THE CURRENT LEVEL. SO IF YOU INCREASE IT BY, BY ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 1.6 CENTS. AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN YOU HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DIPPING INTO RESERVES. HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN OUR RESERVES. AND ARE WE BEHIND IN HOW MUCH WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN THAT ACCOUNT? I'LL DEFER TO MR. CARTWRIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SO FOR ELECTRIC, THEY HAVE A RESTRICTED CASH AND CASH EQUIVALENTS OF 22 MILLION. THAT'S INCLUDING MCT. AND THEN CASH AVAILABLE IS FIVE 5,233,000. SO THE JUST TO REITERATE, THE CASH RESTRICTED INCLUDES MCT AND THE THE RESERVE. SO IT'S 22,000,643 922 $21. OKAY. AND SO THAT THAT INCORPORATES THE CASH AND THE MCT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE INVESTING IN BURYING OUR POWER LINES? SAY THAT AGAIN. HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE INVESTING PUTTING INTO BURYING OUR OUR POWER LINES? OKAY, I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO GET THOSE FIGURES BACK TO YOU. BUT ROUGHLY, FOREST CONSTRUCTION TEAM DOING THE WORK WE'RE AT RIGHT AT ONE 1 MILLION BEFORE SUPPLIES IS IS MUCH HIGHER THAN WITH TRANSFORMERS, PIPING, WIRING. IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S SURPASSED THAT. OKAY. THOMAS, DO YOU RECALL THE OVERALL PROJECT WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY INITIALLY. 
          ADVERTISED IN THE RFP? NO, I DO NOT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAD A PRESENTATION DURING ONE OF OUR DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THE SOCCER GAME ABOUT HOW IF EVERY HOTEL ROOM WAS BOOKED AND IF MARTA WAS RUNNING, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RELIABLY KEEP THE POWER ON. SO TO ME, THAT IS SEPARATE FROM BURYING POWER LINES. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO FIX THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE? WELL, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC? I THINK IT TURNED UP. I'M SORRY, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE FIFA GAMES, MADAM MAYOR? POINT OF ORDER. YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN VOTE TO EXTEND THE TIME SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION. SO AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THIS PORTION FOR AN ADDITIONAL 15 MINUTES. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE ADD ADDITIONAL 15 MINUTES TO THE CLOCK, PLEASE. SO GOT IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO FROM ELECTRICAL STANDPOINT, WE IN THE STAFF AROUND THE CLOCK 24 HOURS A DAY. WE WILL HAVE CREWS I THINK I BELIEVE IT'S TWO CREWS. AND THERE WERE 12 HOUR SHIFTS. AND THEN IT WILL ALWAYS BE CONSTANTLY A CREW IN THE CITY ALONG WITH CONTRACTOR CREWS. SO WE CAN RESPOND TO OUTAGES IMMEDIATELY. 
          OKAY. BUT I'M WANTING TO PREVENT THE OUTAGES FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          OKAY. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW TO INVEST IN MAKING SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT ALL? ONE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS COMING TO YOU AS WELL, IS OUR THE GRID HARDENING PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AND THEN OUR SYSTEM STUDY, THAT'S ONE OF OUR MAJOR THINGS, PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WHAT THE SYSTEM STUDY DOES. IT HELPS US LOCATE THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH. THERE'S NO WAY WHEN A TREE FALL, WE SHOULD TAKE OUT THE WHOLE CIRCUIT. WHAT THE SYSTEM STUDY DOES, IT HELPS US, HELPS US BREAK DOWN THE CIRCUIT SO IT CAN BE LESS SMALLER OUTAGES. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. YES OKAY. I 
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THINK THAT'S ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT. CORRECT. WHAT'S THAT I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT. YES. YES. SO LET'S SAVE THAT CONVERSATION FOR THAT AND I'LL YIELD. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN FREELY. THANKS. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. QUESTION ABOUT THE RESERVE POLICY. ACTUALLY, WHOEVER THINKS THEY CAN ANSWER IT. SO HOW DO WE SET THE RESERVE POLICY? WHAT IS THAT BASED ON? AND MY QUESTION IS, IS OUR RESERVE POLICY SERVING US? WELL, I MEAN, SHOULD THE POLICY BE CHANGED OR WHAT IS IT BASED ON? I MEAN, ARE WE FALLING UNDER IT? AND THAT'S JUST A POLICY PROBLEM OR IS IT BASED ON SOMETHING? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DOES IT MAKE SENSE? SO IN MY OPINION THE POLICY SHOULD BE FOUR MONTHS OF OPERATIONAL COSTS AND THAT EVERY YEAR SHOULD INCREASE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF INFLATION. 
          RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE MEETING THAT RIGHT NOW AT 15 MILLION. I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS THREE, THREE MONTHS, A LITTLE OVER THREE MONTHS OF OPERATIONAL COSTS. SO WE SHOULD BE INCREASING THAT. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT THIS YEAR TO SEE HOW MUCH WE NEED TO INCREASE IT, TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THAT MARK FOR FOR THIS BUDGET AND FOR THIS TO UPDATE OUR OUR I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL AS COUNCIL, AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD VOTE ON IT. AND FOR FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF IGG OR WOULD, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT ON THE POLICY? I THINK FOUR MONTHS IS THE LEAST YOU COULD DO. I DO FEEL THAT LIKE THE BOND RATING AGENCY HAVE COME IN, HAVE SAID THAT IF YOU WANT TO TRIPLE A BOND, THAT YOU NEED AT LEAST 270 DAYS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY BOILED DOWN TO WHETHER YOU CONSIDER MCT AS PART OF YOUR RESERVE OR IS MCT YOUR SOME OTHER SEPARATE FUND THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, NOT TOUCH AND SAVE FOR THE LONG HAUL? THAT'S REALLY UP TO YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS THE WINTER VERSUS. YES OKAY. SO I'M I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WHAT YOU SAID. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WE MADE THIS POLICY DECISION IN 2020 HAVE CONTINUED WITH THAT. BUT THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED. SO HOW SORRY MICROPHONE. HOW I LEARNED ABOUT THAT POLICY WAS THROUGH THE FORMER FINANCE DIRECTOR AT THAT TIME. ONE DAY SHE JUST CAME TO ME AND SAID, WE ARE KEEPING COUNCIL HAVE ASKED TO KEEP THE WINTER RATE YEAR ROUND, AND SUPPOSEDLY THERE WAS SOME ACTION. BUT WHEN I HAVE TALKED TO THE FORMER MAYOR, THE MOST RECENT FORMER MAYOR AND THE COUNCILMAN WOMAN, THEY HAVE NO RECOLLECTION OF HAVING INSTITUTE THAT POLICY. SO FOR STAFF, STAFF GOT DIRECTION FROM THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO CHARGE AT THE WINTER RATE YEAR ROUND. BUT SOMEHOW THERE'S NO COUNCIL DECISION THAT WAS EVER MADE. I MIGHT ALSO BE ABLE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT, BECAUSE WE KIND OF DID SOME RESEARCH BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE ACTUAL AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION. 
          THE BEST THAT WE COULD FIND WAS AN EMAIL THAT WAS DELIVERED BY A FORMER CITY MANAGER THAT WOULD AMOUNT TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE AT BEST. OBVIOUSLY, ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTORS WOULD NOT OVERSEE A ORDINANCE OR ORDINANCE CHANGE. SO ESSENTIALLY, FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE FOUND TO THIS POINT, SHOULD THERE BE SOME AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION THAT WE HADN'T SEEN YET, THAT IS, IS IN THE RECORDS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE WE'VE BEEN VIOLATING OUR OWN POLICY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO HAVE WE INQUIRED WITH MADAM CLERK TO DO THAT RESEARCH? I BELIEVE STAFF HAS, BUT I DIRECTLY HADN'T TALKED TO THE CLERK, SO I'M NOT 100% SURE, SHE RECALLS LOOKING INTO THIS MATTER. OKAY, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE USEFUL. YES. AS CITY MANAGER STATED, I DID MY OWN RESEARCH AND THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS ABLE TO LOCATE OR FIND WAS AN EMAIL STATING THAT WHAT MR. JOE MENTIONED THAT TO CHANGE THE RATES TO SUMMER RATES AND WINTER RATES AND DON'T CHANGE THEM UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE MUCH. OKAY, I'M ALSO A LITTLE PERPLEXED BECAUSE I WAS SEATED AT THE TABLE AT A 
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RECEPTION ON AMELIA ISLAND IN 24 WHEN YOU SPOKE WITH OUR CITY REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT THIS ISSUE THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT, YOU'VE ALSO MENTIONED IT ON OTHER VISITS TO COUNCIL. SO IS THIS NEW INFORMATION THAT IT'S NEVER BEEN APPROVED OR I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN TAKEN, BUT AS THE I'M SORRY, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACTION THAT'S BEING TAKEN AND NOW YOU'RE FACING A DEFICIT IS IS BRINGING TO TO FRONT THE NEED FOR AN ACTION. WELL, I DON'T YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S APPEARING YOUR ORDINANCE, TECHNICALLY THE CITY MANAGER CAN JUST SAY, WELL JUST BILL AS ORDINANCE. BUT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THERE'S LINGERING AS TO WHAT IS PROPER ACTION TO TAKE, I THINK YOU SHOULD PROVIDE SOME CLARITY, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. DO WE NEED TO TAKE THIS TO GET MORE CLARITY ON THIS? I'M JUST SAYING, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DISCUSSION, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS ITEM NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED AND ADDRESSED. DO WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT IN THIS MEETING, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING? I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT WE RESOLVE THAT AT THIS MOMENT, BUT I THINK IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO RESOLVE IT. IT WILL BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR YOU. IT'S UP TO COUNCIL OR CITY. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPROACH THIS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO? I WILL SAY IF WE GO BY THE ORDINANCE, WE WOULD STILL BE IN WINTER USE AND IT WOULD NORMALLY KICK IN IN MAY. IF WE WANT TO START SOONER THAN THAT. I THINK IT DESERVES COUNCIL CONVERSATION ON ON MOVING SOONER THAN THE MAY TIMELINE THAT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE ORDINANCE. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THE COUNCIL CAN MOVE THIS AS QUICKLY AS IT FEELS COMFORTABLE. MY WHOLE POINT WAS THIS IS PART OF OUR OVERALL DISCUSSION. I'VE CERTAINLY HAVE TALKED ABOUT OUR RESERVES. THIS IS POTENTIALLY USING THE ANALOGY. ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE CANARIES THAT MIGHT BE MIGHT BE DOING A LITTLE SUFFERING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE TO, ALTHOUGH THIS PIECE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, WE DO HAVE THE MCT FUNDS IN THERE TO AUGMENT SOME OF THAT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S STILL PUTTING SOME TAXING ON ON THAT CANARY IF YOU USE IF YOU USE THAT ANALOGY, WE ALREADY KNOW WATER HAS HAS CHALLENGES AND STORM AND SOLID WASTE HAVE CHALLENGES. AND NOW POWER IS IS HAS SOME THINGS THAT'S ON THE HORIZON THAT COULD PRESENT SOME CHALLENGES. AND SO. THAT WAS REALLY WHERE WE WANTED TO DO AS A PART OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET CONVERSATIONS. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE ADDRESSED SOONER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THIS, EVEN IF WE DO HAVE TO GO INTO RESERVES, AT LEAST THIS FUND AS OPPOSED TO OTHERS, HAS A STRATEGY BY JUST DOING WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES BEGINS TO HELP US CLOSE THAT GAP, WHEREAS THE OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE STRATEGIES FOR HOW TO CLOSE THOSE GAPS. THANK YOU. DO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ASK IS OF COUNCIL AT THIS POINT IN TIME, OR ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED? I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER COUNCILMAN PEOPLE TO GET TO, SO COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS IS NEXT, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILWOMAN. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE 0039? OKAY. SO HERE, IF YOU'RE SAYING IF THIS IS A PROPOSED INCREASE, THIS RATE HERE, WE SAID IT WOULD BE ABOUT FOUR BUCKS. IS THAT CORRECT. WITH THE THE 00. WAS 0.00399. 
          YEAH. YOU SAID IF YOU MULTIPLY TIMES 1000KW IT'LL BE ROUGHLY ABOUT $4. YEAH. BUT THAT'S THE CURRENT LEVEL. THAT LEVEL THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO THE SUGGESTION IF WE DO THIS ADDITIONAL PCA HERE OF THE 0.1671, THAT WOULD BE THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED. BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS IS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR THE RESIDENTS. AND JUST KIND OF DOING THE MATH THEY'RE LOOKING AT NOW AN ADDITIONAL WHERE BEFORE IT WAS THE $4 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT $20. THAT'S WHAT IT'S 1671. YEAH. SO IT'LL IT'LL BE ABOUT THE THE 20 BUCKS ON THERE. SO AND YOU SAY THAT THE PCA IS JUST IT'S JUST A TEMPORARY FIX. IT IS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A TEMPORARY FIX UNTIL YOU CAN GET YOUR RATE UP UNTIL WE GET THE RATE UP. SO THIS WOULD BE FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR WHO MAKES THE DECISION OR WHO'S RESPONSIBLE 
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FOR KEEPING US AT THE WINTER RATE. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WE NEED TO I, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM. SO I THINK THE THING IS TO GO FROM THE WINTER TO THE SUMMER RATE. AND YOU SAID THAT TIME WAS IN MAY. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE OR WITH REGARDS TO GOING TRANSITIONING FROM THAT. IT'S AUTOMATIC. AND FOR SOME REASON IN THE HISTORY AND THIS SEEMS TO BE AROUND COVID, IT WAS TAKEN OFFICE OF IT'S AUTOMATIC ADJUSTMENT. IT AUTOMATICALLY WAS GOING FROM WINTER TO SUMMER BASED ON THE MONTHS OF THE YEAR THAT WAS MADE, MADE AUTOMATIC. AND THEN THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT THAT PUT THAT OFF OF THAT OFF OF THAT CYCLE, AND IT NEVER WAS CORRECTED OR AND THAT PART WE'RE NOT SURE. SO I, I WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT WE'RE MISSING. BUT IT IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT JUST WAS TAKEN OFF THIS CYCLE BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE AND NEVER BROUGHT BACK ON POINT. SO TO GO BACK TO THE SUMMER RATE IN THE SUMMERTIME IS THAT AN ACT OF COUNCIL? DOES COUNCIL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OR YOU FLIP A SWITCH OR WHAT IS THAT COUNCIL? MY UNDERSTANDING COUNCIL WOULD ONLY BE NEEDED IF WE WANT TO MOVE QUICK, QUICKER THAN THE MAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND LAST QUESTION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE RESERVES PLEASE. OKAY. SO THESE THAT ARE LISTED HERE, THE GENERAL FUND, THE 12 MILLION ELECTRIC 15 ARE THESE THESE ARE OUR CITY. THESE ARE OUR RESERVE ACCOUNTS CORRECT. ARE THESE BALANCES TRUE. SO THOSE BALANCES KIND OF GO BACK TO AN EARLIER PRESENTATION I GAVE ON THE FISCAL OUTLOOKS. THERE ARE TWO ACCOUNTS RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. THAT IS ROUGHLY $6 MILLION THERE VERSUS THE 8.5. SO IT'S SHORT 2.5 MILLION. THE SOLID WASTE FUND. THAT FUND IS AT ZERO. SO AND AS IT'S BEEN STATED BEFORE, THAT FUND HAS HAD A NUMBER OF OF DEFICITS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. THIS YEAR IT CURRENTLY IS ON TRACK TO DIRECTORY IS TO BE BLACK MEANING THEY'LL BREAK EVEN, BUT THEY WILL NOT LIKELY HAVE ANY TYPE OF ABOVE ZERO POINT TO TO REPAY ANY OF THE 1.6 MILLION THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN RESERVES. SO THAT ONE IS IS SEVERELY DEPLETED. IT'S, IT'S IT'S ESSENTIALLY GONE. IT'S IT WAS USED TO BALANCE THE BUDGET IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO THE, THE, THE DEFICIT FUNDING THAT IT TOOK TO GET THAT, THAT FUND BALANCED, AND I THINK IT WAS 23 AND 24 DECIMATED RESERVES THERE. SO TRYING TO FIND A STRATEGY TO REBUILD THOSE RESERVES, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT OKAY. THANK YOU I YIELD. COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. MR. GLENN, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU TALKED ABOUT IF WE WERE TO USING THE PCA INCREASE BY 0.01671 PER KILOWATT HOUR, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FILL THE GAP FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. YOUR FISCAL YEAR END IN JUNE AND WE PROJECT THE SALES IS 115. SO YOU NEED THAT MUCH TO BRIDGE THE GAP BY TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. THAT AND EVEN IF WE DO THAT, THE MODEL THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US, IT STILL REQUIRES THAT WE DIP INTO RESERVES AND BORROW FROM THE MCT. CORRECT. IF YOU IF YOU USE IF YOU IMPLEMENT A 1.67 $0.01 PCA, THEN I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO DIP INTO MCT, BUT IT STILL REQUIRES A BORROW FROM THE RESERVES. YES. BECAUSE YOU. YOUR BUDGET. ALL RIGHT SIR, YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M SORRY. BECAUSE YOU ARE A BUDGET ESSENTIALLY. LET ME SEE. $5.4 MILLION FROM THE RESERVE AND THEN 1.4 MILLION FROM MCT. YOU COUNT THAT MONEY IN YOUR BUDGET 
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REVENUE. SO. RIGHT. MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WITH THE MODEL THAT YOU PRESENTED IN TERMS OF THE INCREASE OF 0.0167, IT STILL WOULD REQUIRE US TO EITHER TAKE FROM THE RESERVES AND OR MCT. 
          SO WE WOULD STILL BE BORROWING FROM RESERVES. AND SO WE'RE NOT REALLY COMPLETELY SOLVENT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING FROM THE RATES VERSUS WHAT IT COSTS TO OPERATE. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WITH WITH THAT, MY QUESTION WOULD BE AND IF WE GO ALSO BACK TO THE SUMMER RATES IN MAY, THEN THAT WILL TAKE 12 MONTHS. CORRECT. FOR US TECHNICALLY IT'S GO BETWEEN FISCAL YEARS. SO IF YOU START IMPLEMENTING IN MAY THE SUMMER IS MAY JUNE JULY, AUGUST. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO SPREAD ACROSS THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO AT LEAST BY I WOULD SAY BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER YOU WOULD GET ADDITIONAL 1.4 MILLION. BUT BECAUSE OF TWO DIFFERENT FISCAL YEAR, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE THE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT GOING TO SAY THAT, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SHORT BECAUSE OF THE REVENUE SPREAD ACROSS FISCAL YEAR. AND SO TO YOUR POINT, THAT 1.4 WILL HELP US TO HAVE TO NOT BORROW AGAINST THE MCT. YES, BUT IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE A DIP INTO THE RESERVES. YEAH. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS WHAT IS OUR LONG TERM SUSTAINABLE BASED ON. BECAUSE WHEN YOU CAME AND GAVE THE RATE STUDY BEFORE. YEAH. BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PRESENTED, EVERYTHING THAT YOU PRESENTED SAID THAT WE ARE RUNNING A DEFICIT, BUT YOU DID NOT SAY THAT WE WERE RUNNING A DEFICIT, RIGHT? I, I HAVE TO TO TO WORD IT CAREFULLY BECAUSE THERE WAS QUESTION FROM VARIOUS TO COMMINGLE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MONEY AND RESERVES, SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY LOSING MONEY. THAT WAS SOME OF THE RATIONALE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. SO I YOU KNOW, IN REALITY, YEAH, THERE WOULD IT WOULD CAUSE A DEFICIT. 
          YOU HAVE TO RECTIFY IT. BUT YOU CAN RATIONALIZE IT ANY WAY YOU HOWEVER YOU LIKE IT. AT THE END OF THE DAY. YES. THAT'S A DEFICIT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM IG IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AS A CITY SO THAT THIS PARTICULAR ENTERPRISE IS SOLVENT? AND WE ARE ALSO MEETING THE LETTER OF THE LAW AS IT RELATES TO OUR POLICY ON RESERVES. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS I STATE HERE IS WE HAVE TO REASSESS THE RATE. BUT THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO REASSESS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE NEW BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027 COME OUT, WE WOULD KNOW THE TOTAL DOLLARS THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WE WOULD THEN FOLLOW THAT UP WITH A RATE REVISION, WHERE ALL THE RATE TOGETHER WILL COLLECT THE REVENUE THAT YOU WOULD NEED IT. SO ESSENTIALLY A RATE REVISION, WE HAVE TO DESIGN A NEW SET AND NEW RATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RATE PRODUCED SUFFICIENT REVENUE. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MONEY FROM RESERVE DO YOU WANT TO USE OR NONE IS UP TO COUNCIL, REALLY. BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT HAD TO HAPPEN, IS WE NEED TO KNOW YOUR REVENUE REQUIREMENT TO DESIGN A RATE AROUND IT. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE SPENDING $10 MILLION CAPITAL EVERY, EVERY YEAR AS YOUR BUDGET HAVE HAVE INDICATED. SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TAKING SOME PROJECTION, IS IT GOING TO BE $10 MILLION EVERY YEAR OR IS IT GOING TO INCREASE, OR IS IT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, STABILIZED OUT AT SOME POINT? SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WE WANT TO SET THE, THE THE RATE THAT COLLECT. STABLE REVENUE. AND THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF COOPERATION WITH THE NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR AND CITY MANAGER, AND THOMAS AND HIS GROUP TO FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT AS FOR COUNCIL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE POLICY DECISION HOW MUCH TO TO USE, HOW MUCH DO YOU RESERVE? I THINK THAT WHAT WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW IS DO WE HAVE SHOULD WE USE NOTHING OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. BECAUSE ANY IF YOU HAD TO INCREASE THE RATE THEN, YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, THE YOUR RESIDENT WILL COME TO YOU AND YOU KNOW, SPARK OUTCRY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO CONSIDER IN YOUR DELIBERATION PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND NEXT WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, THEN COUNCILWOMAN HEMINGS, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILWOMAN LATONYA MARTIN ROGERS AND THEN COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. WE ARE 15 OFF. WE'RE LIKE TEN MINUTES OVER ON THIS TOPIC, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD. YEAH. 
          CAN WE EXTEND THE TIME? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE TIME ON THIS TOPIC. SECOND, SECOND. HOW LONG FOR? FOR THE TIME NEEDED TO TO GET IT ALL QUESTIONS ANSWERED. QUESTIONS? 
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YEAH. INDEFINITELY I THINK HAVE TO DO A MOTION IN THE WORK SESSION. OR IS IT JUST GOING TO. 
          YES. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION IN THE WORK SESSION. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. YOU HAVE A QUORUM OKAY. 
          SO. DISCUSSION WHAT IS THE ASK FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR INDEFINITE? I DON'T THINK WE CAN. IS THAT A SECOND OKAY I SECOND SECOND THAT AND THEN ALL THE ANY DISCUSSION OKAY. ALL THOSE. ANY ALL THOSE AGAINST IT. NAY NONE HEARD OKAY. WE WILL MOVE THIS MOTION TO EXTEND THIS PRESENTATION TO INDEFINITELY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CALDWELL. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER. I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT MICROSOFT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A REBATE GIVEN. FOR NOT USING OUR UTILITY IN THE FORM OF, I THINK, $2 MILLION. HOW WAS THAT APPLIED TO THIS OR WHERE DOES THAT MONEY, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GET APPLIED? SO I AM A AWARE OF OF THAT. UNDERSTANDING I HAVE NOT FOUND, AGAIN, ANY TYPE OF AUTHORIZING OR LEGISLATION THAT ACTUALLY EMBODIES THAT UNDERSTANDING. AND SO I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR AREA REP WITH GEORGIA POWER. THEY DID NOT SAY THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT THEY DID SAY IT NEEDED TO BE RESEARCHED. AND IN THEY IN THEIR RECORDS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO RESEARCH THAT THAT ISSUE. I THINK IT HAD BEEN STATED IN A NUMBER OF PUBLIC MEETINGS AT AT ONE POINT IN TIME, AND WE'RE TRYING TO TRACK SOME OF THE PERSONNEL HAVE CHANGED, TRYING TO TRACK DOWN WHERE THAT UNDERSTANDING ENDED UP. BUT I AM AWARE OF IT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT AND BE HAPPY TO REPORT BACK. ONCE WE FIND SOMETHING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHERE WE STAND ON THAT. OKAY, SO IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT $2 MILLION AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE IT IS IN WRITING TO BE ABLE TO. IT IS VERY SAFE TO SAY THAT. YES. OKAY. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU ALL. THIS IS MORE ONE FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT. WHERE ARE WE FROM JUST A CAPACITY STANDPOINT WITH OUR ELECTRICITY? DO WE HAVE MORE TO POTENTIALLY SELL? AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO GET A SENSE OF THE WAY WE GENERATE REVENUE. HOW IS THAT GENERATED. IS IT JUST BROKEN OUT INTO RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL. SO SO FIRST QUESTION FIRST, IN MY PREVIOUS PRESENTATION ABOUT DATA CENTER, I HAVE A SLIDE IN THERE THAT BASICALLY SAID THAT YOU YOU ARE ON EVERY, ANY HOUR OF THE DAY. YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE ROUGHLY ABOUT 20 MEGAWATT EXCESS THAT YOU WOULD SELL ON THE OPEN MARKET. YOU ALSO SELL THAT POWER TO THE CITY IN ALABAMA. AND THEN SO FIRST IS TO SELL TO CITY, ALABAMA. SECOND IS TO SELL CAPACITY TO VARIOUS SHORT CITY. AND THEN THE THIRD IS YOU SELL THAT POWER TO THE OPEN MARKET AT WHATEVER PRICE THE MARKET WILLING TO PAY. SO YOU POTENTIALLY YES, YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE POWER TO SELL ROUGHLY ABOUT 20 MEGAWATT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT KIND OF EQUATES TO. DOES IT? FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT'S A LITTLE OR A LOT. IT'S REALLY DEPEND ON WHAT YOU WANT TO ATTRACT. IF YOU WANT TO ATTRACT A DATA CENTER THAT'S ON A SMALL SIZE, IF YOU WANT TO ATTRACT INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL, HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF USE. I WOULD SAY THAT A WALMART USES 700 KW, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE 20 MEGAWATT, MEANING 20,000 KW. DO YOU? SO IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE WALMART OR MULTIPLE INDUSTRIAL THEN IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE THE BEST USE OF IT IS TO SELL TO THE THE LARGEST BUYER, WHICH IS DATA CENTER. BUT AGAIN YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TO INFORM, NOT TO PUSH FOR A CERTAIN AGENDA. SO BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY LARGER PROJECT YOU CAN SELL IT TO YOU IS THE BEST BECAUSE YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT AT LEAST SEVERAL LARGE PROJECT TO TO SELL TO. ON THAT NOTE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SELL OUTSIDE OF EASTPOINTE. SO THE THE DATA CENTER WOULDN'T TECHNICALLY HAVE TO BE LOCATED 
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WITHIN EASTPOINTE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SELL POWER TO IT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YOU COULD SELL OUTSIDE OF EASTPOINTE PROPER. WHAT WHAT TYPE OF, I GUESS, INSIGHT DO YOU HAVE ABOUT THE THE CURRENT MARKET TO BUY ELECTRICITY RIGHT NOW? I THINK YOU DO HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THAT. AND I COULD, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCE THE FOLKS WHO NEED THE POWER TO THE CITY AND THAT WE, WE AND MIA COULD WORK TOGETHER TO BRING WE HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS DOWNTOWN TO CONSTANTLY BRINGING YOU LEADS. I ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE OTHER DATA CENTERS FROM OTHER CITIES THAT ARE LOOKING. SO WE COULD MAKE THAT INTRODUCTION AND, AND HELP YOU NEGOTIATE THE BEST USE FOR IT. I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF 20 MEGAWATT YOU YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE ALL OF IT AND PUT IT INTO ONE BASKET BECAUSE WE BELIEVE WHOLLY IN DIVERSIFICATION. BUT YEAH, YOU DO HAVE YOU DO HAVE OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER. AND TWO MORE QUESTIONS. SO ONE, FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, DO WE TYPICALLY SELL THE COMMERCIAL KILOWATT AT A HIGHER RATE THAN WHAT WE WOULD SELL IT TO? RESIDENTIAL. IT VARIES. SO THE COMMERCIAL IS DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU HAVE ONE SHIP, TWO SHIP OR THREE SHIP OPERATION. ONE SHIP, MEANING YOU OPERATE ONLY AROUND EIGHT HOURS A DAY OUT OF 24 HOURS TO SHIP, IS MORE EFFICIENT AND THREE SHIP THE. THE FOLKS WHO HAVE SEVERAL SHIP OF OPERATION IS THE MOST EFFICIENT USER, AND SO THEY GET THE ECONOMY OF SCALE IN TERMS OF THE RATE. SO THEY PAY A LOWER RATE THAN THE 1 TO 1 THAT HAVE JUST ONE ONE SHIP. SO THE COMMERCIAL RATE IS IS A BIT MORE COMPLEX. AND THAT IT IT LOOKED AT THE WAY THAT NOT ONLY HOW MUCH YOU USE POWER, BUT HOW FAST YOU ARE USING POWER, HOW MUCH POWER, HOW FAST YOU ARE USING POWER AT ANY POINT IN TIME. AND SO THE RATE OF DESIGN SO THAT IT'S REQUIRED NOT ONLY ENERGY BUT CAPACITY. AND SO IT'S JUST REALLY DEPEND ON WHAT KIND OF YOUR THE RANGE OF CONSUMPTION AND THE DEMAND THAT YOU HAVE THAT THE CUSTOMER IS USING THAT DETERMINE HOW MUCH THEY PAY. OKAY. SO LAST QUESTION. WHAT I'M, I'M KIND OF GETTING AT ARE WANTING TO SEE IS IS THERE A OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE MORE POWER TO THEN BE ABLE TO SELL AT A HIGHER RATE COMMERCIALLY TO DATA CENTERS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE THAT WILL HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE'RE WE'RE THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. I THINK NICK IS LOOKING AT DOING THAT. SO IF YOU HAVE A DATA CENTER, THEN I'M NOT. I'M AN ECG, BUT MIAC IS LOOKING AT WAY FOR ALL THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE INTO LARGE DATA CENTER, LOCATE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE DETERMINED. RIGHT. AND THEY WOULD LOOK AT THEY WOULD OFFER OUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY CITY TO BE A PART OF A, A COLLECTION OF PROJECT THAT COULD BE USED TO SERVE A DATA CENTER. AND THOSE COLLECTION PROJECTS WOULD BRING IN A HIGHER RATES THAN AND HELP YOU OFFSET YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR ISSUE HERE. YEAH. I, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO EXPLORE THAT RIGHT. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE AND THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THE RATE CHANGES BETWEEN SUMMER AND WINTER. BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER STRATEGIES OUTSIDE OF PASSING THIS COST OVER TO RESIDENTS, I WOULD WANT US TO EXPLORE THAT BECAUSE WE COULD FIND OURSELVES IN JUST A RAT WHEEL OF CONSISTENTLY INCREASING RATES JUST BECAUSE COST, YOU KNOW, SOME COSTS GO UP. BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO EXPLORE STRATEGIES ON HOW WE COULD BUY MORE, SELL MORE, CHANGE THE PRICING COMMERCIALLY VERSUS RESIDENTIALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN OFFSET THAT DEBT. AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET AN ANSWER ON WHERE THE $2 MILLION IS GOING FOR GOING FROM MICROSOFT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, I WOULD SAY THAT IS IS HAVE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE, A LOT OF READING THE FINE LINE AND DO THE LEGAL PROTECTION, BECAUSE MY MILK AND EGG IS TASKED WITH PROTECTING THE CITY SO THAT LET'S JUST SAY THE DATA CENTER, THAT YOU YOU BECOME A PROJECT TO PARTICIPATE IN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IF THE DATA CENTER GO AWAY, THEY STILL PAYING FOR THAT POWER. SO THAT'S HAVE TO BE A LOT OF PROTECTION, A LEGAL FRAMEWORK PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT EXISTING RATEPAYER ARE NOT NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE. SO MILK AND EGG YOU KNOW, IS IS DOING THAT. BUT IT TOOK A WHILE TO PUT THE FRAMEWORK TOGETHER BECAUSE IT HASN'T. IT'S ESSENTIALLY IS SOMETHING NEW WE HAVE TO CREATE NOT JUST NOT JUST A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE CAN BORROW FROM. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DATA CENTER. JUST SELLING POWER COMMERCIALLY IS IS THE THOUGHT, I'M SORRY I SAID IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DATA CENTER PER SE, BUT JUST SELLING POWER COMMERCIALLY, BECAUSE I THINK 
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WE'RE SELLING IT NOW AND IT'S NOT JUST TWO DATA CENTERS, BUT WE HAVE A WAY TO GENERATE REVENUE BASED ON SELLING POWER OUTSIDE OF EASTPOINTE. ABSOLUTELY. YEP. COUNCILWOMAN HEMMING, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE TO YOU, MR. CITY MANAGER. I FIRST WANT TO KNOW, DO YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE COLLECT THE THE FEES FROM EVERY RATEPAYER CLASS CONSISTENTLY? AND I'LL RESTATE MY QUESTION. IS THERE ANY GROUP THAT ISN'T PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE WITH WHAT'S PRESENTED ON THIS SLIDE HERE? THERE IS NONE THAT COME TO MY MIND THAT THAT IS GLARING. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY AS WE GET DEEP INTO THE NUMBERS, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A KIND OF A SYSTEM WIDE TYPE OF PIECE THAT WE'RE MISSING OUTSIDE OF OBVIOUSLY THE THE WINTER SUMMER ISSUE. AND I NOTICED ON MR. WYNNE'S SLIDES THAT THIS BUDGET CYCLE, $4 MILLION WAS OVERESTIMATED. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THAT HAPPENS? YEAH, I, I THINK OUR. SOME OF OUR FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS HAVE BEEN OVER AGGRESSIVE. CERTAINLY THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE MARKETPLACE THAT WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN FORESEEN. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE HEADWINDS LIKE TARIFFS AND AND AND NOTICING THAT INFLATION HAS HAD AN EFFECT ON CONSTRUCTION COSTS. WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THAT ACROSS THE BOARD IN, IN, IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AREAS OF CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S NOT A SURPRISE. AND BEING ABLE TO FORECAST THAT IS IS SOMETIMES DIFFICULT. BUT I ALSO THINK WITH THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY BEEN A VERY GENEROUS OR OPTIMISTIC PERSPECTIVE IN, IN SOME OF OUR FORECASTING THAT WE'RE NOW COMING TO REALIZATION IS JUST NOT PANNING OUT THE WAY THAT WE HAD HOPED. SO I THINK THAT THE THE TWO MARRIED HAS, HAS CREATED A SITUATION WHERE WE GOTTA REALLY START. AND I STILL THINK WE'RE IN A WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME. I MEAN, WE WE HAVE OPTIONS. THEY'RE NOT TURNING AROUND IN THE IN ONE YEAR. BUT QUITE FRANKLY, WE HADN'T BEEN CHARGING THE PROPER RATES FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. SO IT PROBABLY WILL TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS TO STABILIZE. BUT WE GOTTA START MAKING THAT THAT ADJUSTMENT. AND SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS WE WILL GET STABLE. AND AND AND WE MAY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN. BUT I, I AGREE THAT THE CITIZENS, THE RATEPAYERS WANT A MORE RESILIENT SYSTEM. AND SO UNDERGROUND CERTAINLY PLAYS A ROLE IN THAT. AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IS TALKING ABOUT UNDERSTANDING OUR CIRCUITS AND WHERE OUR OUR WEAKEST POINTS AND OUR CIRCUITS AND HOW WE CAN BOLSTER WITH TARGETED INVESTMENT INTO THOSE THOSE CIRCUITS ARE IMPORTANT. AND SO I THINK WE WE NEED TO STILL BE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN, IN SEEKING THAT, BECAUSE A MORE RESILIENT SYSTEM CARRIES A HAPPIER RATEPAYER AND A HAPPIER RATEPAYER IS MORE. FRIENDLY TO TAKING THE PAYING ADJUSTMENTS AS COSTS DO GO UP. I THINK WE RUN INTO PROBLEMS WHEN WE'RE SAYING COST GOES UP, BUT THEN THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING HAS A LOT OF OUTAGES, AND SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THAT WHEN THE SERVICE THAT THEY FEEL OR AT LEAST PERCEIVE IS NOT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL. SO I THINK IT'S IT'S A COMBINATION OF UNDERSTANDING THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A REALLY RESILIENT SYSTEM THAT WE CAN CELEBRATE, AND BEING AGGRESSIVE WITH BUSINESS DECISIONS. AS AS I, I'M REALLY RESONATE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL HAS SHARED. AND THEN ALSO DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, LIKE WE'RE WE'RE VEERING OFF PATHS THAT CREATE THESE SITUATIONS DOWN THE ROAD AND, AND SUSPECT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR CHILDREN, OUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL HAVE TO ANSWER THOSE ANSWERS WHILE WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RIDE THE WAVE. I THINK THAT PROCESS HAS GOT US TO, TO THIS LEVEL. SO PART OF IT IS STARTING THE RIGHT TRACK, DOING WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND BEING CONSCIENTIOUS ON OUR INVESTMENTS AND DOING IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE TO THE OVERALL STRATEGY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE COUNCIL AND AS IGG CAN ALL COME TOGETHER, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF STRATEGY TYPE OF 
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CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL GIVE US THE REASONS WHY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN CERTAIN WAYS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT A HAPPIER RATEPAYER AND THEN ALSO THE OPTIONS WE WERE GIVEN, WE COULD CHOOSE AMONGST THESE TO MINIMIZE THE BURDEN. SO I WILL JUST PLAINLY SAY THAT I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS TO YOUR POINT THAT THERE ARE OUTAGES. AND THEN ALSO ASKING PRIMARILY THE RESIDENTIAL CLASS TO INCUR MORE FEES AT THIS TIME. AND GIVEN KIND OF LARGER ECONOMIC CONSTRAINTS, THIS CONVERSATION GIVES ME A LOT OF HEARTBURN. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO PLAINLY SAY THAT. AND SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, OBVIOUSLY THE THE CHARTER, THE EXCUSE ME, THE ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW YOU TO REINSTITUTE THE SUMMER RATES LIKE IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR THAT THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN YOUR SCOPE OF AUTHORITY. HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT, THOUGH, TO MINIMIZE THE SHOCK AND THE BURDEN TO PEOPLE? BECAUSE, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, THIS PAST WINTER WHEN IT WAS EXTREMELY COLD, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I PERSONALLY RECEIVED A BILL THAT I HAD TO SCRATCH MY HEAD TWICE ABOUT AND THINK, AM I GOING TO PAY THIS IN FULL? OR AM I GOING TO USE THE ADVANTAGE OF THE BUDGET BILLING TO ACCOMMODATE? SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, INSTITUTING THESE SUMMER MONTHS BEGINNING IN MAY, WHERE IN MARCH, WHAT WOULD THE EDUCATION CAMPAIGN LOOK LIKE? HOW WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HELP FOLKS, RESIDENTS, THE CITIZENS, COME TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS NECESSARY AND HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT THEM, BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THESE BILLS WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER, JUST BASED ON WHAT WE SAW FROM THESE PAST WINTER MONTHS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO CERTAINLY A ROBUST EDUCATION CAMPAIGN WOULD BE NEEDED. THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT DISCOVERIES ON HOW TO BEST COMMUNICATE WITH CUSTOMERS, RATEPAYERS, CITIZENS THAT WE'RE ALSO EXPLORING RIGHT NOW THAT CAN GIVE US SOME THE USE OF TECHNOLOGIES AND TALKING THROUGH TEXTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I THINK THE THE OTHER PIECE, AND I THINK THE REASON WHY SUMMER, WINTER RATES WERE CREATED, THAT THERE'S TIMES WHERE THERE'S ROBUST USAGE. AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME PHILOSOPHY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SUMMER THAT THOSE, THOSE RATES WON'T HAVE THE SAME USAGE NUMBERS AS THEY MIGHT IN THE WINTER. AND SO THERE'S SOME EQUALIZING EFFECT. BUT I DON'T NOT TO MINIMIZE THE POINT. I THINK IT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF EFFECT ON RATEPAYERS THAT'S GOING TO FEEL DIFFERENT THAN WE JUST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS OVER THE LONG HAUL. I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUDGET PAY TO EDUCATE ON THOSE SYSTEMS. IF YOU'RE REALLY ON A FIXED INCOME AND THE UP AND DOWN IS HARD FOR YOU TO MANAGE, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THERE. I THINK WE JUST HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SELL SOME OF THE INFORMATION AND CUSTOMER SERVICE THINGS WE'RE DOING WITH ENERGY HAWK, AND THOSE THINGS THAT WILL CREATE SOME, SOME RELIEF IN, IN, IN THE KIND OF UNCERTAINTY THAT COMES WITH HAVING THE RATES ADJUST LIKE THAT. I APPRECIATE THE DATA AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR BUDGET, BUT I GENUINELY DO CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THESE DECISIONS. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'VE OFFERED, I THINK ARE HELPFUL. 
          BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE HARD NUMBERS. I THINK MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMEMBER ZIEGLER, ASKED IF WE WERE TO ADOPT A PCA, LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR AN AVERAGE HOME IN EAST POINT? WE HAVE MANY HOMES IN EAST POINT THAT ARE NOT PROPERLY WEATHERIZED, AND SO THEIR LOSS OF ENERGY IS REALLY HIGH. SO THERE'S A REALLY COMPLEX PROBLEM OUTSIDE OF A BUDGET PROBLEM. AND I HOPE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT IGG HAS ITS ROLE IN THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT CITY STAFF THINK ABOUT THE ROBUST AND THE TOTAL PICTURE OF HOW ANY DECISIONS WE MAKE ARE GOING TO IMPACT PEOPLE. I ALSO CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT THE BUSINESSES WHO MANY OF THEM ARE OFTEN ALSO RESIDENTS OF OF THE CITY AS WELL. SO WHAT, WHICHEVER OPTIONS YOU MIGHT GO DOWN, I WOULD REALLY ASK FOR REALLY THOUGHTFUL APPROACH THAT EXPLAINS HOW THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE, WHO'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED AND WHAT PROTECTIONS OR ACCOMMODATIONS WE MIGHT OFFER AS A CITY TO EASE THIS TRANSITION AND BURDEN. BECAUSE THE RATEPAYERS DID NOT CREATE THIS PROBLEM, OBVIOUSLY, 
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OR POSSIBLY THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS CITY CREATED THIS PROBLEM. AND SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE THROUGH THIS TRANSITION. AS WE ATTEMPT TO FIX IT, I YIELD. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. BUT BASED UPON OUR CHARTER SECTION EIGHT DASH 2101 UNDER ELECTRICITY, I'M GOING TO READ SUBSECTION G INTO THE RECORD ANNUAL REVIEW AT LEAST ANNUALLY. DURING BUDGET PREPARATION, THE CITY THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL CAUSE A REVIEW AND ANALYSIS TO BE MADE OF THE CITY'S BASE RATES CHARGED FOR ELECTRIC UTILITY SERVICE, AS COMPARED TO THE TOTAL COST OF PROVIDING THAT SERVICE. TO DETERMINE WHETHER SUCH RATES ARE SUFFICIENT TO OPERATE THE ELECTRIC UTILITY. 
          INFORMATION BY MIA SLASH IG ON ELECTRIC UTILITY COSTS, OR STUDIES CONDUCTED BY EXPERTS IN THE FIELD OF UTILITY RATES MAY BE CONSIDERED DURING THIS ANNUAL REVIEW. SUBSECTION H QUARTERLY REPORT, THE CITY MANAGER WILL MAKE A QUARTERLY REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE STATUS OF THE ELECTRIC UTILITY, WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON A PROPER COST ADJUSTMENT AS DICTATED BY THE EXISTING REVENUE TO BUDGET RATE RATIO. JUST WANTED TO READ THAT INFORMATION INTO THE RECORD, AND I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE YEARS OF 2011 AND 2012, AS IT WAS CONTENTIOUS DURING THAT TIME, AND THE RESIDENTS OF EAST POINT USED THEIR VOICES TO OVERTURN AN ACTUAL ELECTION DUE TO THE UTILITY RATE INCREASE AND SPRINGING THAT ONTO THEM WITHOUT PROPER NOTIFICATION, WITHOUT EDUCATION, WITHOUT SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT. SO THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. COUNCIL DURING THAT PERIOD STUCK WITH THE WINTER RATES BECAUSE IT SIMPLIFIED BILLING AND IT PROVIDED PREDICTABLE BILLS TO RESIDENTS EACH MONTH. SO IF YOU KNOW TO ONE OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS POINTS, IF YOU KNOW THAT YOUR UTILITY BILL IS GOING TO BE $150 EACH MONTH, YOU BUDGET FOR IT. SO I THINK THAT I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL DURING THAT TIME WAS JUST SIMPLY LOOKING OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY WANTED TO KEEP OUR UTILITY RATES AFFORDABLE. AT THIS TIME. YOU PROVIDED DID YOU PROVIDE AN ELECTRIC RATE STUDY WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE US BEFORE? HAS AN ELECTRIC RATE STUDY BEEN DONE? THE ELECTRIC RATE STUDY WAS LAST DONE IN PRESENTED IN JUNE OF 2025 2025. OKAY, MAY I ALSO HAVE A COPY OF THAT TO SHARE WITH MY CONSTITUENTS? I WOULD LIKE THAT INFORMATION TO PUT OUT THERE. THE OTHER THING TOO IS I SAW DURING THE PRESENTATION, AND THIS PROBABLY IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER. THIS PRESENTATION TALKS ABOUT PUTTING THIS COST ONTO OUR RESIDENTS. THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE PRESENTATION THAT REALLY SAID, I DON'T WANT TO SAY NO. IT DIDN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU GAVE US OPTIONS, BUT THE OPTIONS DIDN'T SAY, HEY, MAYBE YOU ALL SHOULD DO THIS. I DID HEAR SOMEONE MENTION SELLING OUR POWER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OTHER LONG TERM OPTIONS WITHOUT PUTTING THIS INCREASE ON OUR RESIDENTS ESPECIALLY. I HEARD THE CITY MANAGER SAY THAT POSSIBLY MAY THIS INCREASE IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE ALSO HAVE YOU SAID 22 MILLION IN RESERVES AND 5 MILLION IN CASH RESTRICTED. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. YOU PRESENTED THAT INFORMATION. SO I THINK THE QUESTION THIS QUESTION IS FOR MR. CITY MANAGER, AND YOU CAN HAVE SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AND GET BACK. BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE BESIDES PASSING THIS COST ON TO RESIDENTS. LIKE I FEEL AS IF WE MAY NEED TO USE A PORTION OF OUR RESERVE FUNDS AND TALK ABOUT THE INCREASE NEXT YEAR. BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE GETTING THIS INFORMATION WITH THE POSSIBLE INCREASE ON A PRESENTATION THAT DID NOT HAVE THE ATTACHING DOCUMENTS. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE GOT OUR AGENDA BOOKLETS ON SATURDAY, SO I REALLY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DIG DEEPER INTO THIS WITHOUT THE PRESENTATION, BUT THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO GO ON RECORD TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD REFLECT ON SUBSECTIONS G AND H OF OUR OWN CITY'S CHARTER, AND I'LL YIELD. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. OKAY. WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE 
          [III.5. Council Discussion and Possible Action on World Soccer Game Plan 2026 (Action May be Taken)]
PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PRESENTING ON THE 
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DIRECTION CONFIRMED COUNCIL DIRECTION FOR THE WORLD CUP. SEMI. SECOND. I SUPPORT. THE SAME ON THIS. YEAH. OKAY. YES. THIS IS SO THIS IS FROM THE LAST MEETING. WAS THIS WE WERE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS IN THIS SESSION OR I THINK THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO HEAR SOME MORE DISCUSSION AND THEN VOTE. WAS THAT. YEAH. REFLECTED ON YOUR AGENDA, MADAM MAYOR, IS POSSIBLE ACTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MAYOR AND COUNCIL OVER THE WEEKEND YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKET A A REVISED VERSION OF THE THE PLAN LAST WEEK. I BELIEVE IT WAS REQUESTED THAT THERE BE AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $100,000. AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL RESPOND TO YOU. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. CAN YOU SCROLL UP JUST A LITTLE BIT? I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY TO SCROLL UP JUST TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL REQUIRED BUDGET IS HERE. I CAN BRIEFLY GO THROUGH A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WERE REDUCED OR ELIMINATED FROM LAST WEEK'S VERSION, IF YOU LIKE. SO WE TOOK OUT A FEW OF THE DAYS THAT WE HAD PROJECTED. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WE HAD LOOKED AT DOING THE 15TH AS A KICKOFF, THE 27TH, THE FIRST AND THE 4TH OF JULY. NOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A KICKOFF OF THE 15TH, WHICH WOULD BE WHICH WOULD BE DONE BY THE CVB, ANOTHER EVENT ON THE 19TH, WHICH ALSO BE DONE BY THE CVB. WE WOULD KEEP JUNE 27TH. THAT'S THE THE BIGGEST EVENT DAY FOR THE GAMES HERE IN CITY OF ATLANTA. AND OF COURSE, WE'D KEEP THE 4TH OF JULY IN TERMS OF JUST GOING DOWN THE LIST. WE WE SCALED BACK ON SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES IN TERMS OF SIZE. SO AS I MENTIONED, WE EITHER REDUCED OR ELIMINATED ALTOGETHER. SO FROM THE REDUCED AREA, WE LOOKED AT REDUCING THE SMALL SCALE PARADE. I MEAN I'M SORRY, THE THE MAIN MUSICIANS LARGE SCALE. WE HAD NOTED THREE. 
          WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT ONE SMALL SCALE MUSICIANS. WE NOTED THREE. WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT TWO. WE WE ELIMINATED THE BRANDED BUS SHUTTLE BUS TOURS OF EASTPOINTE, PICK UP FROM HOTELS AND DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS. LEMONADE. THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF THE FLAGS, SPECIFICALLY THE FLAG POLES THAT THE CITY WOULD PURCHASE. WE ELIMINATED THE EATS AND BEATS MUSIC SERIES LUNCHEON DINNER 24 DAYS IN JUNE AND JULY AT AL'S PIZZA COURTYARD, OPEN TO ANYONE. WE ALSO ELIMINATED STREET ART AT MODERN COMMONS, TAYLOR AVENUE, FOUNTAIN, WASHINGTON, KEMP CREEK, VIRGINIA AVENUE, HIGHWAY 166, OFFRAMP, HEADLAND, ETCETERA. 
          AND WE ALSO ELIMINATED THE COMMEMORATIVE EASTPOINTE SOCCER BALL DESIGN COMPETITION AND SCALE OF TOURIST TO TOURIST. ALL IN ALL, WE WERE ABLE TO TRIM IT BACK TO A AN ASK OF $97,683. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE LATER IN THE AGENDA WE ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE SOME 
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FUNDS AROUND 4TH OF JULY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I ALSO SEE THEM LISTED HERE. SO IS THIS DUPLICATIVE? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING HOW THESE TWO VOTES INTERACT. SO EASTPOINTE MAIN STREET PRODUCES OUR 4TH OF JULY EVENT EACH AND EVERY YEAR. WHETHER WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS SPECIAL EVENT, SOCCER WORLD SOCCER CUP GAMES OR SUPER BOWL EVENTS OR NCAA FINAL FOUR EVENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE COMING TO CITY OF ATLANTA THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OUTLYING CITIES WOULD PARTICIPATE OR HAVE SOME INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING OR NOT. IN THIS CASE, 4TH OF JULY IS SIMPLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND IT IS A NATIONAL CELEBRATION. THIS YEAR'S PROBABLY MORE POIGNANT BECAUSE IT'S 250 YEAR CELEBRATION THAT WE WILL BE DOING NATIONWIDE. SO THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED FOR. WE BUDGET FOR IT EACH YEAR, AND WE DO THAT IN TWO, TWO LEVELS THAT WE HAVE ON ONE END. THE MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION CONDUCTS OR PUTS ON THE EVENT ITSELF. AND OF COURSE, THE CITY ENSURES THAT WE WILL HAVE A FIREWORKS DISPLAY. SO JUST TO CONFIRM THE THIS APPROVING, THIS DOES NOT APPROVING OR NOT APPROVE, LET ME RESTATE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THIS VOTE, 4TH OF JULY WOULD STILL BE AN EVENT THAT HAPPENS IN THE CITY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU, I YIELD. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. 
          YEAH, TWO QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. I KNOW THAT DURING THE LAST DISCUSSION, THERE WAS SOME TALKS OF RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND POTENTIALLY CHARGING FOR THE EVENT. I WILL SAY, I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF ATLANTA, CITY OF DECATUR ARE HOSTING A NUMBER OF FREE EVENTS. AND SO CHARGING FOR OUR EVENT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DETRACTOR THAN ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO THE CITY. 
          BUT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ALCOHOL FEE PER DRINK. IT SEEMS A LITTLE LOW AND WONDERING IF WE COULD MAYBE EVEN TEST THIS OUT TO JUST SEE AS A CITY, IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THAT MAYBE TO $3, $4, COULD WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE BACK FROM A RETURN PERSPECTIVE WITHOUT CHARGING PEOPLE TO COME TO THE EVENT? SURE. I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION, AND CERTAINLY WE COULD INCORPORATE THE THE ALCOHOL COMPONENT A LITTLE BIT SOONER JUST TO TRY AND TEST IT OUT. YEAH, TO SEE HOW IT GOES. PRIOR TO THE START OF THE GAMES THEMSELVES, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO TO BASE IT ON BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NEVER DONE IT BEFORE IN TERMS OF CHARGING FEES FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION, BASED ON EVENTS THAT WE, WE PROMOTE OR PUT ON AS A CITY. 
          GOT IT. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS BROUGHT THIS UP WITH JUST PARTNERING WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS KIND OF FITS IN, BUT WANT TO SEE MORE OF AN EMPHASIS OF PARTNERING WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES. MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY WE CAN INCENTIVIZE THEM. MAYBE THEY GET THE $2 PER, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL FEE VERSUS A 3 OR 4 FROM SOMEONE OUTSIDE. BUT POSSIBLY INCORPORATING THAT INTO THE PLAN. THAT'S IT. 
          COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. YES, THANKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY WORKING THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SO I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUESTS FROM LAST MEETING. AND THIS CAN BE TO. OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. CITY MANAGER AND OUR EVENTS AND OUR COUNCIL EVENTS FUND. DO HAVE ANY UNENCUMBERED FUNDS IN THEIR EVENTS. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO CALL IT. YEAH. SO ONE OF THE TASKS WAS TO LOOK AT THOSE FUNDS THAT ARE NOW IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. ON IF THERE WERE THE ABILITY TO FIND $100,000. I WORKED WITH FINANCE. 
          WE DID FIND THOSE THOSE DOLLARS. AND WE ALSO LEVERAGED. JUNETEENTH EVENTS BECAUSE THEY FALL WITHIN THE THE THE EVENTS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED THAT COULD SHARE IN IN MARKETING. 
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AND SO WE WE USE THOSE DOLLARS. WE ALSO USED SISTER CITIES DOLLARS. AND THAT WAS REALLY THAT REALLY GOT ■US OVER THE HUMP. SO WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT $100,000 AVAILABLE FROM THAT FUND AND STILL HAVE OTHER FUNDS FOR COUNCIL DISCRETION. COOL. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE HAVE THE MONEY TO COVER. I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR $97,000 AND SOME CHANGE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. YES, SIR. WE HAVE. WE WANT TO, I GUESS ADD. 
          SOME. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH ALL OF THAT. CONSENSUS BASED ON. I'M SORRY I'M SITTING HERE TALKING. SO YOU'RE JUST WAITING ON THE CONSENSUS. IF WE WANT TO PAY THIS 97,000. THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. ONE MORE. OH, NO. THAT SHOULD BE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. WERE YOU ASK YOU? I HAD ASKED YOU. OKAY, SO COUNCILMAN ATKINS AND COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS. YES. 
          MISTER ROGERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS UPDATED BUDGET AND PROGRAM PROPOSED FOR THE WORLD CUP GAMES. SO WITH THE EVENTS TAKING PLACE DOWNTOWN. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. 
          AND IT DOES LEAD BACK TO A QUESTION THAT I HAD BEFORE. WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU'VE HAD WITH THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN? I STATED A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THEM AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS PLAN, SO THAT WHATEVER WE DO DOWNTOWN DOES NOT HAPPEN TO THEM, BUT WITH THEM. SO PRIOR TO THIS, COUNCILMAN ATKINS, WE'VE NOT HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONCRETE CONVERSATIONS WITH BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN THAT WE COULD SHARE WITH THEM IF WE VOTE. IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS NOW, WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CARRY TO THEM AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING, THIS IS WHAT WE WILL BE PUTTING OUT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO MARKET AND PROMOTE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND BECAUSE TYPICALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH US OR IF THEY THERE'S A, A SPONSORSHIP INVOLVED, THE THE QUESTION ALWAYS IS, OKAY, WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME? IN OTHER WORDS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THEM THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF BENEFIT TO THEM TO PARTNER WITH US OR TO SPONSOR THE EVENT. HAVING SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED NOW GIVES US THAT LEVERAGE THAT WE CAN WALK WITH THEM AND HAND THEM A DOCUMENT, A TANGIBLE DOCUMENT IN WRITING THAT SAYS CLEARLY WHAT IT IS THAT THE CITY WILL BE DOING FOR THIS YEAR'S WORLD CUP GAMES. AND SO, AS THE DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND WHEN YOU GO AND SPEAK TO THESE BUSINESSES, WOULD YOU ALSO BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND EVEN RECOMMEND FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BODY? FOR INSTANCE, IF THE BUSINESSES ARE TO PARTICIPATE AND THEY WOULD SAY, THIS SOUNDS REALLY GREAT, WE'D LIKE TO STAY OPEN LONGER AND WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ALCOHOL LONGER, AND FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BE OUTSIDE TO ENJOY ALL THE FESTIVITIES. WOULD THAT REQUIRE US TO PASS ANY LEGISLATION REGARDING OPEN CARRY? SO TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THAT GAME AND AS THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHAT IS YOUR BEEN YOUR THOUGHT ON ITEMS LIKE THAT OR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD ALSO HELP TO BRING DOLLARS BACK INTO OUR GENERAL FUND COFFERS? IF WE'RE AGREEING TO SPEND THE $100,000. CORRECT. AND SO WE WANT TO WORK WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF THE OPEN CARRY ALCOHOL COMPONENT OF THIS, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. BUT AGAIN, THE THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT HASN'T TAKE PLACE. SO FROM THIS POINT, WE WOULD MOVE IMMEDIATELY TO BEGIN CRAFTING THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING BEFORE YOU THAT YOU CAN APPROVE. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME, BUT I FEEL VERY CERTAIN THAT WE CAN GET THAT DONE. OKAY. AND ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO THE BUSINESSES THAT YOU'VE THOUGHT OF THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE THEM TO BE A PART OF THIS? YES. I THINK ONCE WE FINISHED OH, I'M SORRY. SO THAT WE COULD INCREASE THE, THE SALES, THEIR VOLUMES SO THAT WE CAN GET PERHAPS MORE SALES TAXES. SO JUST TRYING TO GET OTHER IDEAS, IF YOU'VE THOUGHT OF THOSE THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH US, NOT TONIGHT, BUT ONCE. IF YOU PASS THIS WE CAN SHARE MORE WITH YOU. THE, THE THE STEP RIGHT NOW IS TO GET SOMETHING THAT YOU APPROVE OR THAT YOU 
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FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING. AND ONCE YOU DO, WE HAVE SOMETHING NOW THAT WE CAN REALLY DIG INTO AND FIND SOME VIABLE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN AGAIN TAKE TO THE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING WITH US IN THIS MATTER. AND LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE COMMEMORATIVE BALL. DID YOUR OFFICE OR DID YOU SEE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A DEBIT THAN A CREDIT? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD UPCHARGE ON THE BALL. SO IT WOULD ALL BE A POSITIVE BACK TO THE CITY. AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE, BUT PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE EASTPOINTE MAY WANT TO PURCHASE IF IT'S A REALLY NICE COMMEMORATIVE BALL. REGARDING THE EVENT, SO DID YOU SEE IT AS MORE OF A A NEGATIVE AND IT WOULD NOT BRING POSITIVE CASH FLOW? NO. CERTAINLY IT SEEMS AS A AS A POSITIVE. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A A COMMEMORATIVE PIECE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOLK TO FEEL HAVE A, A KIND OF A CHERISHED VALUE OF. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN HOLD ON AND BE ABLE TO REFLECT ON AND SIMPLY SAY, I WAS THERE IN 2026 AND THIS IS WHAT EASTPOINTE DID. SO. IT IS JUST THAT IT IT HAS VALUE FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT. 
          AND WE FROM HERE, WE JUST ELIMINATE IT BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WOULD MOVE FORWARD OR DESIRE SUCH A THING, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WAS WOULD BE FAVORABLE AND AND WOULD BE RECOMMENDED OR SUGGESTED BY THE THE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OUR PARTNERS, THE CVB, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD CHERISH FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A PART OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT THAT I JUST WENT OVER. I TOTALLY ELIMINATED IT. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT STILL COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN THROUGH THE PARTNERSHIP WITH CVB. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. WELL, BASED ON WHAT WE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE WITH RESPECT TO THAT, IT WOULD IT WOULD BRING BACK FOR THAT ONE ITEM, $17,500. THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE BACK TO THE CITY. NO, THAT WOULD BE AN EXPENSE TO THE CITY. AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE UPCHARGE? AND WHAT IS THAT DELTA THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T SELL THEM FOR YOUR COST, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD SELL THEM FOR A LITTLE MORE. SO THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE BACK TO THE CITY. THAT WOULD HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THE THE 97,000 PLUS. YES. WE WE WE DON'T HAVE THAT PARTICULAR PIECE BROKEN OUT YET BECAUSE WE'VE NOT LABELED HOW MUCH WE WOULD ACTUALLY CHARGE FOR IT, BUT WE WOULD LOOK AT SELLING THAT TO TO TOURISTS AND VISITORS. ALRIGHT, I YIELD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MITCHELL AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN BELL, COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, AND THEN COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. 
          ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I'D LIKE TO GO ON RECORD AND SAY THAT THIS IS AN INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. MY FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW DOES THE BUDGET CHANGE THE SCALE PROBE GAME, PRO GAME PROGRAMING OR EXPECTED OUTCOMES OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE WITH THE $97,683? HOW DOES IT CHANGE? HOW DOES THE BUDGET CHANGE THE SCALE PROGRAMING OR OUR EXPECTED OUTCOMES? YES, MA'AM. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE AS MANY EVENTS TAKING PLACE. IF YOU REFLECT ON LAST WEEK'S PRESENTATION, WE WERE LOOKING AT JUNE 15TH, JUNE 18TH, 21ST, 24TH, 27TH, JULY 1ST, JULY 7TH AND THE 15TH. THOSE ARE GAME DAYS OR GAMES THAT ARE ARE TAKING PLACE IN THE CITY OF ATLANTA. EIGHT GAMES INCLUDING ONE SEMI GAME, SEMI FINAL GAME I SHOULD SAY. AND SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS ON THE KICKOFF, WE WOULD DO A MEDIA LAUNCH HERE ON THE STEPS OF CITY HALL THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE ON AUGUST 6TH. ON THE 15TH, THE LARGE EVENT WOULD BE AT THE COMMON SITE ON THE 27TH. THAT WOULD BE THE COMMONS, WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT NOW, COMMUNITY VILLAGE, BECAUSE WE SCALED IT BACK. IF YOU RECALL, LAST WEEK, WE WERE WE WERE CALLING IT THE INTERNATIONAL VILLAGE WITH THE CARNIVAL ON THE COMMONS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, ON JUNE 28TH, WE WERE GOING TO STAGE A WATCH 
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PARTY IN THE COMMONS THAT HAS GONE AWAY NOW. AND ON JULY 1ST, ANOTHER WATCH PARTY, CULTURAL DAY IN THE COMMONS THAT HAS GONE AWAY. AND OF COURSE, WE ARE NOW WITH THE 4TH OF JULY, WHICH IS OUR 250TH CELEBRATION AND FIREWORKS DISPLAY. SO THOSE THINGS ARE STILL IN PLACE. BUT WE SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SCALE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIMPLY ELIMINATING SOME OF THE DAYS THAT WE WE HAD PROPOSED IN LAST WEEKS PROPOSAL. AND SO WE SIMPLY SCALED IT BACK. OKAY. SO BY WHAT YOU JUST PRESENTED, THAT'S WHAT THREE DAYS OF EVENTS. YES. SO THE LAUNCH PARTY, HOW MANY DAYS WAS THAT? THAT WAS ABOUT SIX DAYS. NO, THIS THIS IS ONLY RIGHT NOW THE 27TH AND JULY 4TH. THE CVB WOULD KICK OFF A LAUNCH PARTY OR MEDIA. LAUNCH ON THE 15TH ON THE STEPS OF CITY HALL. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT THEMSELVES. AND THEN BECAUSE WE WANT SOMETHING TO TAKE PLACE OUT IN THE MARKETPLACE AREA, CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE, THE 19TH, THERE WOULD BE A AN EVENT THERE THAT IS STILL BEING WORKED THROUGH, BUT THAT IS ON THE TABLE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CVB, WITH RESPECT TO ITS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, WILL STILL CARRY THROUGH. OKAY. SO HOW MANY DAYS WERE WE BEFORE VERSUS NOW? THAT'S THAT WAS THE QUESTION I'M SORRY. SO THE 15TH, THE 27TH. THE 28TH, JULY 1ST AND OF COURSE JULY 4TH. SO YOU WERE LOOKING AT 4 OR 5 DAYS OF ACTIVITY. AND NOW WE ARE IT'S FIVE DAYS NOW WITH THIS BUDGET. 
          NO, RIGHT NOW IT'S JULY. I MEAN, IT'S JUNE 15TH. YES, 27TH, THE 19TH, WHICH IS WHAT THE CVB IS GOING TO DO. OKAY. AND JULY 4TH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE 15TH AND THE 19TH, THOSE TWO DATES ARE THE CVB AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT THEMSELVES. THE CITY WOULD SIMPLY TAKE CARE OF THE 27TH, JUNE 27TH AND JULY 4TH. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMAN MITCHELL YES. THANK YOU. SO I'M BACK, GUYS. SO I THINK THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE. I THINK WE MISTER ROGERS, I MEAN, MISTER MACEIO GOT IT DOWN TO $197,000 WE WOULD NEED INSTEAD OF. I THINK IT WAS LIKE 202 26 LAST TIME. MISTER REDMOND SAYS WE DO HAVE THESE MONIES AVAILABLE IN OUR COUNCIL EVENT FUNDS. SO. I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS POINT TOO MUCH LONGER. SO I THINK EITHER A MADAM CITY ATTORNEY WOULD I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PLAN? WOULD THAT BE AN ACTION THAT COULD BE TAKEN? COUNCILMAN MITCHELL, I DO THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT I RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WAS DEBATED PRETTY HEAVILY ABOUT GETTING IT TO THE 100,000. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MOTION FROM LAST WEEK, OR WHATEVER MOTION YOU MAKE TONIGHT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, BE IN OPPOSITION TO THE MOTION LAST WEEK. AND SO MY LIGHT WAS ON FOR US TO JUST HAVE MADAM CLERK JUST PULL THE MOTION FROM LAST WEEK TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ALREADY AGREED TO, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T RECALL THE EXACT LANGUAGE. WAS IT WITHDREW DRAWN OR WAS IT WITHDRAWN? YEAH. NO, IT WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION. I THINK THE MOTION WAS TABLED. 
          WAS IT TABLED TO TODAY? YES. OKAY. THAT'S NOT TABLE OKAY. EVERYBODY'S PRETTY SURE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. SO THEN THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION SIR IS YES. SO THE ANSWER IS WHAT. YES. IF HE IF HE COULD MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO APPROVE THIS, IT'S FINE. IT'S FINE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WORLD SOCCER GAME PLAN FOR 2026, 
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AS PRESENTED TODAY ON MARCH 9TH. IS THERE A SECOND I DIDN'T? CAN YOU REPEAT IT? YES. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WORLD SOCCER GAME PLAN 2026 AS PRESENTED TONIGHT. BASICALLY, THIS SECOND DISCUSSION, I NEED A SECOND SECOND TO HAVE DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT TO ADD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S SO WE CAN SECOND IT. AND THEN YOU WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT JUST PASSED IT OKAY. YOU CAN SECOND WITH THE AMENDMENT. SECOND WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT DISCUSSION DISCUSSION. GO TO YOUR SECOND WITH A FRIENDLY I MEAN DISCUSSION DISCUSSION. NOW GO AHEAD OKAY I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO THINGS. SO ONE THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO ADD NOT TO EXCEED $100,000. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER IF THAT'S OKAY TO ASK RIGHT NOW OR ACTUALLY CITY ATTORNEY, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE MONEY FROM THE EVENTS THAT THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED IN ORDER TO COVER THIS $100,000? SO TWO THINGS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR TWO THINGS, IF THE MOTION AS IT WAS, WAS TO APPROVE IT AS A AS PRESENTED, IT WON'T GO OVER $97,683. OKAY, RIGHT. THE SECOND QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT MOVING THE MONEY, IT DOESN'T THE MOTION DID NOT HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE. 
          RIGHT? WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, BUT THERE'S NOT A FUNDING SOURCE. THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT IT COULD COME FROM CITY COUNCIL EVENTS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE CITY MANAGER. AND I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE. THERE'S BEEN EMAIL CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. I STILL THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE MONEY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL EVENTS TO FUND THIS, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT. DISCUSSION, PLEASE. SORRY, ARE WE STILL IN DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH MISS COUNCIL? MISS CALDWELL'S MOTION? OKAY, SO GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN HEMMING. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE COUNCIL EVENTS AND COMMITTEES BUDGET, EVEN THOUGH ENTITLE IT STILL SAYS COUNCIL COMMITTEES EVENTS IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND IT IS UNDER HIS AUTHORITY. WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WAS THAT BASED ON OUR BUDGET APPROPRIATION, IT WAS YOUR POSITION THAT IF WE WANTED TO EVER ELIMINATE THOSE EVENTS, THAT WE WOULD JUST NEED TO CLEARLY ELIMINATE THOSE EVENTS AND ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER NOT TO ENCUMBER THOSE FUNDS, BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN ENUMERATED AND SPELLED OUT IN THE BUDGET. SO THAT, TO ME, DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A BUDGET AMENDMENT. IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO CANCEL WHATEVER EVENTS ARE NEEDED TO FUND THIS. SHOULD THAT BE OUR WILL, SO THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS GOING UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. OH, YOU'RE MOVING THE MONEY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT'S I, I ASSUME THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PRESENTATION IS COMING FROM. THAT'S WHO'S DOING IT. THAT'S WHO DOES THE 4TH OF JULY. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THE MONEY IS GOING TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN SPEND THE MONEY, THAN IT IS A MOVE OF MONEY WHICH REQUIRES THE BUDGET AMENDMENT. NOW, IF THE COUNCIL IS ADOPTING THIS AS THEIR EVENT, THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ACCURATE. OKAY. SO TO CLARIFY, MR. CITY MANAGER, THAT IS THE REQUEST THIS EVENING BEFORE US THAT WE WOULD MAKE A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO MOVE THIS MONEY. IF THAT IS THE CASE, I JUST WANT TO STAY. FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US. THERE ARE PUBLIC READINGS REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO IF THE FOR EXPEDIENCY AND GIVEN THAT THIS CONVERSATION HAS HAPPENED FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THE MONEY IS NOT MOVED AND THAT YOU WOULD STILL ADMINISTER IT THROUGH THE AUTHORITY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED TO YOU, AND THAT WE WOULD CANCEL WHATEVER EVENTS WERE NECESSARY TO MAKE THIS EVENT HAPPEN. THE LATTER, THANK YOU, COVERED A LOT. SO I ALSO THIS THIS KIND OF GOES BACK I, I DISAGREE WITH THAT APPROACH THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS ROLLING OUT ONLY 
          [02:20:03]
BECAUSE I CAN PAY FROM MY ACCOUNT FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES. SO ALTHOUGH THERE'S ACTIVITIES THAT MIGHT BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF ACTIVITIES, THERE'S PLENTY THAT INVOLVE MULTIPLE PARTNERS WITHIN THE CITY THAT PAY INTO THAT ACTIVITY. SO ALTHOUGH THAT MONEY COULD BE MOVED INTO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. 
          AND WE WE'VE DONE PLENTY OF THINGS WHERE IT'S ALMOST KIND OF A DIVVY UP KIND OF SITUATION. 
          WHEN CERTAIN ACTIVITIES NEED TO BE PAID FOR. IT CAN COME OUT OF THIS, COME OUT OF THAT, COME OUT OF THIS FOR THE ACTIVITY. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WAS THE SAME KIND OF APPROACH THAT I HAD SAID BEFORE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY MOVE MONEY TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ADDING TO THAT ACTIVITY, PAYING OUT, ESSENTIALLY CUTTING THE CHECK, IF YOU WILL, FOR A VENDOR OR FOR WHATEVER WHERE THOSE LINE ITEMS ARE CHARGED FOR THOSE ITEMS. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE MOVING MONEY INTO A WHOLE NOTHER DEPARTMENT FOR THAT CHECK TO BE CUT. THAT'S THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND ACTUAL FUNCTIONING. YOU DON'T ACTUALLY ACTUALLY MOVE THE MONEY, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING THAT IS RAPIDLY MOVING, LIKE AN EVENT, LIKE A FESTIVAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT IS, THAT REQUIRES MONEY COMING FROM MULTIPLE PLACES. OH, YOU HAD OH. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER. OH, SORRY. IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE BUDGET AMENDMENT CONVERSATION. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT BUDGET AMENDMENTS ARE ONLY WARRANTED FOR WHEN YOU MOVE MONEY FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER FUND. SO. SO WHEN YOU KNOW THE GENERAL FUND HAS MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN IT. AND SO WHEN YOU MOVE MONEY FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE SAME FUND, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT. BUT LET'S SAY FOR THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE WITH THE ELECTRIC FUND, IF WE NEEDED TO MOVE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE ELECTRIC FUND TO COVER SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT, I WAS TRYING TO STRETCH MY MIND ON AN EXAMPLE. MANY OF OUR CAMERAS, OUR POLICE CAMERAS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY FUNDED BY TWO SOURCES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE POWER DEPARTMENT. 
          DEPENDING ON WHAT POLES THEY ARE, THERE'S SOME SHARED THEIR SHARED VALUE. AND SO THAT MONEY IS NOT BEING MOVED TO EITHER POWER OR POLICE. THEY'RE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO AN ACTIVITY THAT SHARES THE VALUE OF BOTH DEPARTMENTS. COUNCILWOMAN ATKINS, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO. I'M OUT. ALRIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, I THINK. YES. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS A LEGAL ARM OF THE CITY. AND ALTHOUGH WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH HER, JUST THE FACT OF MOVING MONEY, I MEAN, A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY ALL OF THE TIME. AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS IN TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. SO I WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AND SAY THAT, LIKE, I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH ATTORNEY WIGGINS, BUT A LOT OF US TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY IN GOVERNMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHICH ARE IMPORTANT. BUT LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD AS IT RELATES TO THE TRANSFERRING OF MONEY, MOVING MONEY FROM DEPARTMENTS TO DEPARTMENTS, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS IN PROPER AND DECENT ORDER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. SO ONE THING THAT I WANT TO SAY IN JUST TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER DOCTOR MARTIN ROGERS STATED, WE WE DO NEED TO HAVE A LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS WHERE AND HOW MONEY WAS MOVED AND HOW THAT WAS DECIDED UPON. IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT THERE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT END, I WOULD ASK THAT IT BE ON THE BACK END, THAT IF YOU WERE TO MOVE ANY MONEY THAT YOU PROVIDE, AND IN THIS SITUATION, I'LL ADD IT TO THE THE MOTION THAT YOU PROVIDE A POST ACTION REPORT WITHIN 30 DAYS TO US TO SHOW WHAT FUNDING WAS IMPACTED OR WAS MOVED IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR EVENT. AND I THINK MOVING FORWARD, WE MAY NEED TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN PLACE JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE VISIBILITY, THAT WE CAN GO 
          [02:25:03]
BACK TO OUR CONSTITUENTS TO SAY THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO WITH THAT. OKAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE MISS CARTWRIGHT IS GOING TO GET THE DATA OF WHICH EVENTS WOULD NEED TO BE CANCELED IN ORDER TO FUND THIS. SO I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT INTO THE MOTION, NOT ONLY THE EVENTS, BUT THEN ALSO THE REQUEST FOR A POST ACTION REPORT. CAN WE TAKE. IS THE PLAN COUNCIL MEMBER CARDWELL, TO PUT THE EVENTS IN THE MOTION, WHICH ONES YOU WANT CANCELED? YES, YES. WELL, HOW WOULD THE CITY MANAGER KNOW WHICH ONES TO DEFUND TO USE THE MONEY FROM? TO UNDERSTAND WHICH EVENTS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED OR WHICH EVENTS YOU'RE PLANNING TO CANCEL? SO THE ANSWER, THE QUESTION OF WHERE WE FOUND THE MONEY, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT SAYING THIS? SO I MENTIONED JUNETEENTH. THAT WAS $50,000 THERE. I MENTIONED SISTER CITIES. THAT WAS 40,000 THERE. 
          SO THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE WOULD DO THROUGH FIFA, I WOULD I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT WE JUST MARKET IT TO HAVE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION AS A PART IN JOINT WITH THE FIFA CELEBRATION. AND SO YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE SAME ACTIVITIES HAPPENING JUST AT THAT PARTICULAR EVENT. AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME EVENTS OR A COUPLE EVENTS THAT FALL IN THE TRADITIONAL CELEBRATION OF JUNETEENTH. THE SISTER CITIES PROGRAM. WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE MUCH TRAVEL IN THAT PROGRAM. WE HAVE OUR MEMBERSHIP THAT WAS VERY MINIMAL UNDER $1,000. AND SO IT MADE IT MADE SENSE. THOSE TWO PROGRAMS ITSELF WAS $90,000. 
          THE THE OTHER REMAINDER IS PRETTY INSIGNIFICANT. AND WE WOULD WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN FIND THAT. COUNCILWOMAN. EASY. I'M SORRY. WERE YOU FINISHED I APOLOGIZE. OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO I KNOW NOW THERE'S, I GUESS, TALK ABOUT WHAT EVENTS ARE NOT BEING WHICH EVENTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE FUNDED, BUT THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS FOR WHAT WHAT WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE LIKE OPTION THERE WERE DIFFERENT. SO THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY EVER FUNDED. CORRECT. THIS IS JUST WE WANT TO PUT THIS EVENT ON AND IT'S COSTING X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. YES, MA'AM. THE THE WORLD CUP SOCCER GAMES WERE NOT NOT PART OF OUR BUDGET. OKAY. SO WHAT'S ON THIS THAT YOU HAVE UP HERE? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT WE DO. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S GOING TO COST $97,683. YOU SAID $50,000 IS GOING TO COME FROM JUNETEENTH BUDGET. $40,000 IS GOING TO COME FROM THE SISTER CITY BUDGET. CORRECT. AND THE OTHER $7,683 IS COMING FROM YOUR ACCOUNT. SO THE THING IS, AND AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING BECAUSE OF THE TRANSPARENCY, IF WE KNEW SPECIFICALLY WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM, IF POWER WAS GIVEN 7000 $507,000 OR WHATEVER, I THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT EVERYBODY IS WANTING TO KNOW JUST EXACTLY WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM. AND ONCE WE FIND OUT SPECIFICALLY WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, WHAT IS TRULY THE PROCESS TO TO PAY FOR IT, BECAUSE I KNOW ALL OF THE COUNCIL, THOSE ARE COUNCIL EVENTS THAT THE 50,000 AND THE 40,000 WERE COMING FROM. SO BECAUSE SO SO NOW THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU JUST PAY IT OUT? IS IT IN YOUR HOUSE OR WAS IT MONEY? WELL, SO THE QUESTION IS THE $90,000 FROM THOSE TWO PARTICULAR EVENTS, DO YOU PAY IT JUST FROM WHERE IT IS NOW, OR DOES THAT MONEY MOVE OVER TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? I THINK EVERYBODY JUST NEEDS A TRUE ROADMAP OF WHERE EVERY DOLLAR IS COMING FROM TO FUND THIS EVENT. IT WOULD JUST BE PAID FROM WHERE IT'S AT NOW. OKAY. THAT THAT'S THAT. YEAH. IF THAT WAS THE QUESTION I, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST WHAT SPECIFIC ITEMS. AND SO THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WERE THERE THAT AREN'T QUITE RIGHT. BUT BUT WHAT'S HERE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH. THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO GO WITH. 
          CORRECT. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE OKAY. AND JUST WITH THAT BEING SAID, JUST BECAUSE TRANSPARENCY IS THE BIG THING. NOW, JUST IF WE COULD EARMARK EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE PENNY JUST SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. AND ONCE THAT IS LIKE LAID OUT, WHERE EVERY PENNY IS COMING 
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FROM, WE CAN CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. ARE WE GOOD WITH THIS? THIS IS THIS IS FINE. AND THEN I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE OKAY IS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST WANTING TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE PAID. IT SOUNDS LIKE HE HE MENTIONED IT FROM JUNETEENTH AND THE SISTER CITY, RIGHT. YEAH. SO. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I'M I'M GOOD, I'M GOOD. I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW. SO WE WE'RE NOT HERE 3 OR 4 HOURS ABOUT THE SAME THING. 
          OKAY I YIELD. DO WE NEED TO SUSPEND ANY RULES? NO. BECAUSE WE WERE IN DISCUSSION ON COUNCILMAN MITCHELL'S MOTION, AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL HAD OFFERED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN CRAFTED TO ADD TO COUNCILMAN MITCHELL'S MOTION SO THAT WE CAN WRAP IT UP IN A BIG BOW AND GET A VOTE. SO I HAVE A QUESTION, SINCE THIS IS COMING OUT OF FROM THE JUNETEENTH FUND, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION IN THE CITY? IS THAT WHAT IS BEING. SO WHAT I WAS DESCRIBING IS THAT AN EVENT CAN BE DOUBLED, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD STILL CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH AND FIFA AT THE SAME TIME? I DON'T THINK THE CROWD FROM FIFA AND JUNETEENTH ARE OPPOSED. I THINK THAT CAN HAPPEN TOGETHER. SO THE THE CHALLENGE IS JUST MARKETING AND CREATING OPPORTUNITIES TO CELEBRATE BOTH CULTURAL HERITAGES TOGETHER. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY IDEA. I JUST WANT TO PUT OUT THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE CITY, THAT WE'RE ALSO TAKING IN STRONG CONSIDERATION OF, LIKE WHAT THE PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF EASTPOINTE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. AND AS YOU KNOW, AS MAYOR, I WOULD THINK THAT A LOT OF OUR INITIATIVES WOULD BE FOCUSED ON BRINGING OUR COMMUNITIES OUT IN IN HAVING THEM PARTICIPATE. 
          WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS NOT I'M NOT AN EVENT PLANNER, RIGHT. SO I DON'T PRETEND TO BE. BUT LAST YEAR WE HAD A COUPLE OF EVENTS WHERE WE JUST DID LIKE A CRAWL TO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, TO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. IT WAS FOR FLOWERS. AND MR. BOYER HAD A VERY NICE EVENT IN HER BACKYARD. 
          AND I DON'T SAY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, RENT OUT PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, BUT IS THERE OR HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO MAYBE COLLABORATING WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, LEVERAGING AND UTILIZING SOME COST EFFICIENT SPACES IN OUR CITY, AND MAYBE TAKING SOME OF THESE FUNDS TO. PUT THAT TO LIKE A RESIDENTIAL EVENT OF SOME SORT. SO AS I SAID, I AM NOT AN EVENT PLANNER, SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN THAT AREA, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND ENGAGEMENT THERE, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. YES, MA'AM. CERTAINLY, MAYOR, WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE ENGAGEMENTS. AGAIN, THIS WILL HAVE MORE OF A COMMUNITY FEEL NOW, WE'VE KIND OF SHIFTED FROM THE INTERNATIONAL VILLAGE CONCEPT TO A COMMUNITY VILLAGE CONCEPT. SO SO NOW THERE IS THIS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, REVERSE FOCUS, YOU MIGHT SAY MORE OR LESS INTERNAL VERSUS EXTERNAL. 
          SO PUTTING MORE EMPHASIS ON THE EASTPOINTE CITIZENS, THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. THANK YOU, I YIELD. HONESTLY, I HAVE. COUNCILMAN FREELY AND THEN COUNCIL COUNCILMAN ROGERS AND COUNCILMAN MITCHELL I. SO I KNOW THAT I HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH MADAM CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE LAST YEAR, AND SHE HAS CONSISTENTLY ARGUED THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO SPECIFICALLY VOTE TO ELIMINATE, SLASH, CANCEL ANY OF THOSE FORMER EVENTS FORMERLY KNOWN AS COUNCIL EVENTS, SO THAT IS MY EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR EXACTLY WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          I'M NOT ENTIRELY COMFORTABLE WITH ELIMINATING JUNETEENTH, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DOUBLE JUNETEENTH AS A WORLD CUP EVENT. I DON'T BUY THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME ALTERNATIVES THAT ADD UP TO 97,000. I ALSO RECALL THAT FOR YEARS WE'VE HAD SOME PADDED LINE ITEM CALLED COUNCIL STAGE AT THE. I THINK IT WAS $150,000. IS THAT STILL AN OPTION? 
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BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST CHOICE. TO FIND THE MONEY. WELL, LET ME SAY THIS IF THIS MAKES JUNETEENTH CONVERSATION A LITTLE EASIER, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING OFF ON JUNETEENTH PLANNING BASED ON THE WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT FIFA AND FIFA HAS WENT AROUND THE WORLD, IF YOU WILL. NO PUN INTENDED, ON THE TYPES OF EVENTS THAT IT COULD COULD HAVE. SO STAFF HAS HAS CONSTANTLY BEEN ON HOLD ON ANY FIFA, I MEAN ANY JUNETEENTH PLANNING. WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TRY AND PICK UP JUNETEENTH EVENT RIGHT NOW. SO THE FACT THAT IF IT COULD BE JOINT WITH ACTIVITIES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY GEARED UP TO DO IT, BE IT HOW COMFORTABLE IT IT, IT MERGES TOGETHER OR NOT AS A DEBATE, WE WE JUST DON'T HAVE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ACTUALLY ORGANIZE THAT EVENT. OUTSIDE OF SOME THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR OUT THERE THAT I DON'T KNOW OF. STAFF DOESN'T HAVE TO DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAD ALWAYS WONDERED IF THAT FUNDING WAS GOING TO HAVE TO BE LEVERAGED INTO SOME PACKAGE THAT AT ONE TIME STARTED OUT AS $1 MILLION TO 600,000, AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO 100,000. THERE WAS NO WAY THAT THAT WAS GOING TO EVER BE ABLE TO BE FUNDED, THAT JUNETEENTH FUNDING WAS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LEVERAGE OR OR LEVERAGED INTO THAT EVENT. THAT BEING SAID. THE STAGE IS ALSO AVAILABLE. THAT FUNDING IS WAS SOMETHING ALSO WE LOOKED AT. I CHALK THAT UP BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS OF GOING IN AND PRIORITIZING SOME EVENTS THAT STILL WANTED TO HAPPEN OR STILL WANTED TO HAVE SOME, SOME DISCRETION OVER. SO THERE'S STILL SOME DISCRETIONARY FUNDING IN THAT FUND. IF IT IS JUNETEENTH OR THE STAGE OR ANY OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE AND WE'VE CHECKED OVER WHERE WE THINK THOSE DISCRETIONARY ARE LIKE, WE FELT STRONG THAT THE HALLOWEEN EVENT WAS A STRONG FAVORITE. THE SILVER FOX BALL WAS A STRONG FAVORITE. SO WE WE IDENTIFIED. STRONGLY THAT THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE THE COUNCIL SUPPORT TO CONTINUE TO DO. AND THERE WAS SOME DISCRETIONARY. 
          SO THE STAGE IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM. JUNETEENTH WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SISTER CITIES IS DEFINITELY ANOTHER DISCRETIONARY AREA. AND THERE'S ACTUAL STILL SOME FUNDING THAT CAN BE GATHERED FROM WEDNESDAY WIND DOWN, WHICH WE ALREADY HAD FIGURED THAT WE WERE GOING TO CANCEL BECAUSE THE DOLLARS THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS KICK IN TO FUNDS, WE DID AN ACTIVITY BUDGET THAT SHOWED THE DEFICIT, BUT ACTUAL THAT LINE ITEM THAT WAS THERE DOESN'T HAVE A DEFICIT. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE LEFT OVER FROM WEDNESDAY WIND DOWN IN THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM. SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN KICKING IN CERTAIN ASPECTS TOWARDS WEDNESDAY WIND DOWN BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTIVITY AS OPPOSED TO A PROGRAM IN A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT. SO AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT THAT LINE ITEM ITSELF IS WHAT WE LOOKED AT. AND THERE WAS SOME FUNDS THERE. RIGHT. BUT I FIND YOUR STATEMENT THAT THERE'S MONEY LEFT FOR WEDNESDAY WIND DOWN IN JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO YOU TOLD US IT WAS WELL OVER BUDGET AFTER JUST TWO CONCERTS. 
          YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, LINE ITEM. IS IT FUNNY MONEY OR ARE WE ACTUALLY ACCOUNTING FOR WHAT IT'S COSTING? BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS NO MONEY LEFT. BUT BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY, I. I WANT TO DISCUSS WEDNESDAY DOWN TO ME THE THE COUNCIL STAGE AT $150,000. IT'S NEVER BEEN A A THING. WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING IT. 
          SO WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST TAKE THAT? I RESPECT THE FACT THAT IF YOU SAY YOUR STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY, THE BANDWIDTH TO DO JUNETEENTH, THAT IS A DECISION THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE OPERATIONALLY. BUT I WHY WOULD WE NOT TAKE THIS MONEY FROM THE $150,000 COUNCIL STAGE? I JUST I'M NOT GETTING THAT. OKAY. YEAH, I THE ANSWER IS I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME, SOME 
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DISCRETION FOR SOME FUNDING THAT IS IS COMING IN THAT FUND. SO I DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW WE CAN TAKE IT FROM EITHER WAY. BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME DISCRETION DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE OUT OF THAT FUND. I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S LITTER CAMPAIGNS AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS STILL HAPPENING. AND SO CERTAINLY HAVE TO LEAVE SOME DISCRETIONARY FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY ANSWER THAT I CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WELL, MY FINAL POINT IS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ARGUED FOR A YEAR THAT WE WOULD NEED TO SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZE YOU TO CANCEL EVENT BY EVENT. AND IF I AM MISSTATING YOUR POSITION, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, PLEASE DO SO. AM I MISTAKEN? YOU'RE NOT MISSTATING IT FOR THE VERY REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. I THINK IT HIGHLIGHTS EXACTLY WHY YOU GUYS NEED TO BE THE POLICY MAKERS TO DECIDE WHAT EVENTS YOU WANT. 
          WHEN THE BUDGET WAS PASSED, YOU SAID YOU WANTED THESE EVENTS. THAT'S WHY YOU PASSED IT IN THE BUDGET AND YOU PUT MONEY. NOW, I HEAR YOU DON'T WANT THESE EVENTS, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT JUNETEENTH. SO HE'S SAYING WE CAN'T DO JUNETEENTH. THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE WHAT EVENTS ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN LIEU OF WHAT EVENTS WILL HAPPEN OTHERWISE. AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER IS A FINE PERSON TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS, BUT OTHERWISE HE'S DECIDING WHAT EVENTS THE COUNCIL WANTS, NOT THE COUNCIL DECIDING. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT STAFF CANNOT DO JUNETEENTH, I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT AS A SEPARATE ISSUE. I GUESS IS MY POINT HERE. BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS VOTE, WE NEED TO HAVE EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITHOUT IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH THIS MONEY. AND I AGAIN, I WOULD PREFER THAT IT NOT BE JUNETEENTH IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION. IF WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT LATER, FINE. BUT IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S LEFT IN THE COUNCIL STAGE, I THOUGHT IT WAS $150,000 BECAUSE WE DIDN'T VOTE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. OTHERWISE THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO WITHOUT SO THAT WE COME UP WITH THIS MONEY, AND I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT. MY ONE CONCESSION IS THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE JUNETEENTH IN IN THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILWOMAN FREELY. COUNCILWOMAN. SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN. COMING. SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO JUST A SUGGESTION. I KNOW THAT THE CVB IS DOING AN EVENT ON JUNE 19TH. CORRECT. THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. CAMP CREEK MARKETPLACE. OKAY, WHICH IS JUNETEENTH. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD PUT ON THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A SUGGESTION. SO THEY CAN OR CAN'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE PLANNING, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION. THE SECOND THING I DO UNDERSTAND NOW, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER FREELEY WAS SAYING ABOUT FROM THESE EVENTS UP HERE, BECAUSE I JUST PULLED THE SCHEDULE BACK UP. THAT WAS THE ONE, THE 943 500. CORRECT. SO IF WE COULD GET SOME SORT OF FROM ALL OF THESE EVENTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS STILL LEFT FROM THE $943,500. 
          AND FOR THOSE EVENTS THAT ARE THERE, WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE WILLING TO THAT WE NO LONGER WANT TO DO SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE KIND OF BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S $100, $350,000. I DON'T EVEN KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT THAT'S HERE. WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT FUNDS ARE STILL AVAILABLE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF NOW IF IT'S IF IT'S A TIME TO ASK NUMBER ONE, IF THE CVB WOULD CONSIDER DOING THE JUNETEENTH. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOES UNDER THE PURVIEW OF WHAT YOU CAN USE AS FOLKS, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO DO, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE PUTTING ON THIS EVENT, I'M ASSUMING IT'S COMING. IT'S ON THEIR DIME FOR WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO THAT'S A THAT'S AN OPTION THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO, IF NOT JUST TO KIND OF LOOK TO SEE OF THIS $943,500, HOW MUCH MONEY IS ACTUALLY BEING. THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT. OKAY. SO THEY GAVE AN AMOUNT FOR WHAT IS LEFT. BUT YOU STILL, LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEED TO KNOW WHICH EVENTS $443,000. SO BUT WE STILL NEED TO LIST IS THAT MADAM CITY ATTORNEY. WE STILL HAVE TO LIST THOSE EVENTS THAT WE NO LONGER WANT TO HAVE. CORRECT? OKAY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE MONEY 
          [02:45:02]
FROM THIS, YES. OKAY. AND I'M GOING TO ADD THAT INTO THE MOTION OR THAT WOULD BE MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. ARE WE READY? OKAY. OKAY OKAY. SO NEXT WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS OR COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS. I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID WITH THE JUNETEENTH EVENT. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMBINING THAT EVENT. THAT EVENT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S A STANDALONE EVENT. WE MAY NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH THIS YEAR FOR JUNETEENTH, BUT SURELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, AND IT'S PLENTY OF TIME NOW TO PLAN OUT FOR THAT EVENT. AND I YIELD, MADAM. MADAM MAYOR, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PRESSURED THAT WE'RE READY TO VOTE AND MOVE ON. OKAY. 
          AND I ALSO WANT TO FIND OUT, WILL THIS ALSO TAKE AWAY FROM WEDNESDAY? WIND DOWN AS WELL? I HAVE ANOTHER ONE MORE. I'M IN, I'M IN, I'M IN. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. MAKE SURE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS I WASN'T I'M SORRY. ALSO, MR. CITY MANAGER, YOU MENTIONED THE WARD D GETS LIT CAMPAIGN THAT HASN'T TAKEN OFF SINCE LIKE LAST YEAR WHEN WE MET. AND THERE WAS A DECISION MADE THAT THAT MONEY SHOULD NOT BE USED. SO I WANTED TO GO ON RECORD WITH THAT. ALSO, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING BACK A BUDGET AMENDMENT SO THAT THAT MONEY COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE OFFICE OF EQUITY. WHAT WAS LEFT IN THAT ACCOUNT? SO I WANT TO GO ON RECORD THAT WARD D GETS LITTER CAMPAIGN INITIATIVE IS NOT HAPPENING. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILMAN MITCHELL AND COUNCILMAN MITCHELL WAS NEXT ON THE. ALRIGHT, SO I THINK WE HAVE EVERYTHING TOGETHER FOR THE MOTION. YES. I WANTED TO ADD MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO GO ON THIS ROUND. DID YOU HAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. SO JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, DIRECTOR ROGERS. 
          SO HOW MANY HOW MANY DAYS IS THIS 97,000 GOING TO COVER? THE 27TH, THE BIG DAY. AND OF COURSE, THE 15TH AND 19TH WOULD BE. THE CVB'S EVENT. AND THAT IS IT. OKAY. SO THEN MY I WILL TURN TO YOU, MR. JONES, DO WE HAVE. SINCE I'M HEARING THAT WE DON'T HAVE STAFF THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT ON THE JUNETEENTH, DO WE HAVE STAFF THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO TO WORK THESE THREE DAYS FOR THIS EVENT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DISCUSSIONS. I KNOW THE STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND CVB ON SOME VARIATIONS OF THIS PLAN. I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN LATE THE LATEST DISCUSSIONS TO KNOW THE KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THAT PART HAS BEEN PART OF THIS PLANNING. YES, SIR. THE THE THE MEETINGS WERE HAPPENING REGULARLY EVERY WEEK UP UNTIL, I GUESS, THE LATTER PART OF JANUARY BECAUSE WE, WE WERE MEETING, BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY GETTING VERY FAR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT WHAT WOULD BE APPROVED. AND SO I MADE THE DECISION TO JUST HOLD OFF ON THAT. NOW, WHEN THE REQUEST, WHEN WE WERE MEETING EVERYONE, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS WERE REQUESTED TO SUBMIT THEIR OVERTIME ANTICIPATED COST FOR THIS EVENT. 
          AND SO WE GOT THAT INFORMATION AND THAT WENT INTO THE OVERALL INITIAL COST THAT WAS PRESENTED WITH RESPECT TO THE OPTIONS THAT YOU CONSIDERED, OR AT LEAST THAT WAS PRESENTED IN, I GUESS, THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE A SCALE DOWN. SO MODEL, CAN I JUST PAUSE YOU FOR A SECOND? SURE. SO THIS I'M SORRY, THIS JUST ISN'T THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION I'M LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY HERE. I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO PUT THIS ON FOR THE THREE DAYS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING? AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MR. JONES. I'M, I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO KNOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE. I'M I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PEOPLE WERE PART OF THE PLAN. IF THEY HADN'T BEEN, THEN 
          [02:50:04]
THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PIECE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COORDINATED. OKAY. SO I GUESS JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE YOU WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR TONIGHT IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE PEOPLE POWER TO PUT ON JUNETEENTH. OH, I CAN SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE JUNETEENTH ORGANIZING. THAT'S TRUE. WE DON'T HAVE THE THE THE CAPACITY TO PULL THAT EVENT OFF. 
          SO IF IT WAS TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER PARTY. THIRD PARTY. AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION OR THE ACTUAL PUTTING IT ON THE MECHANICS OF PUTTING IT ON THE ACTUAL PEOPLE TO PUT THAT ON. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COORDINATION OF STAFF THAT'S BEEN A PART OF THAT FIFA EVENTS, NOR WOULD IT BE THE SAME SCOPE, I DON'T BELIEVE, BECAUSE JUNETEENTH WOULD BE HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, COORDINATED FROM BEGINNING TO END, SOUP TO NUTS, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION. SECOND, THE QUESTION IS COUNCIL IS THE I'M SORRY COUNCIL IS TO DISCUSS AND HAVE A POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE WORLD SOCCER GAME FOR 2026. ACTION MAY BE TAKEN. THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. YEAH. THE QUESTION. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE MOTION. THE QUESTION IS THE MOTION AND THE AMENDMENT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION OKAY. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THIS WITH AMENDMENT WITH TO THE WHICH ITEMS OF THE EVENT NEED TO BE FUNDED WITH CLARIFICATION ON WHICH ITEMS OF EVENT NEED TO BE FUNDED. A POST ACTION REPORT ON THE. A POST ACTION REPORT ON THE PLAN, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT I'M MISSING. COUNCILMAN PAUL HAS WITH THE AMENDMENT IS COUNCILMAN MOTION. 
          HIS MOTION IS TO APPROVE. GOT A SECOND ON THAT DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A VOTE ON THAT BECAUSE COUNCILMAN, THAT OKAY. SO THE. I'M SORRY. YES. SO I WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ADDING IN LEVERAGING THE FUNDING SOURCE NOT TO EXCEED $100,000 FROM THE WARD A STAGE. YEAH, THAT'S NOT TO EXCEED $100,000. OH, IT'S 150. CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT TO. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THE POST ACTION REPORT ON THE MONIES BEING TRANSFERRED. SO LET ME ADD THAT TO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. NOT THE INTEREST. OKAY? OKAY. IT'S FINE. WE GOT THE EVENT HERE. OKAY. POST ACTION ON THE EXPENDITURES. YES. SO THE MOTION CURRENTLY IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2026. AMENDMENT THAT YOUR MONEY TO FUND. THIS COMES FROM THE STAGE AND THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDE A POST ACTION REPORT. EXTREME RIGHT. I DID SAY NOT TO EXCEED 100,000, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE 97,000. SO OKAY. AND TO PERFECT THE RECORD, IT'S THE WARD A AT LARGE COUNCIL STAGE. IS THE LINE ITEM. YES. THAT MONEY IS THERE BECAUSE THAT'S 100. SO THAT NO. YES. THE MONEY WENT TO TO COVER THE REST OF WEDNESDAY. 
          THAT MONEY WENT TO COVER THE REST. I THINK THAT YEAH. SECOND, WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. YEAH OKAY. OKAY. DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT OKAY. SO WE CAN OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND. NOW WE'RE GOING INTO DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. SHOULD I READ THE AMENDMENT POINT OF ORDER. THE MOTION. THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL. COUNCILMEMBER CALDWELL MADE NOT A SUBSTITUTE. SHE MADE A FRIENDLY. BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILMEMBER MITCHELL ACCEPTS HER FRIENDLY. SO YOU'RE RIGHT ON THAT. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T SOUND FRIENDLY BECAUSE Y'ALL WANT DISCUSSION. SO I'M TREATING IT AS NOT A SUBSTITUTE, BUT AN ADDITION TO HIS MOTION BECAUSE HER AMENDMENT CAN'T MAKE HIS MOTION NOT PASS, BECAUSE THEN THAT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT. THAT'S A WHOLE NEW ACTION. RIGHT. SO HER AMENDMENT GOT A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HEMMING. CORRECT. YOU'LL DISCUSS THAT THEN? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE THEN WE WILL GO INTO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT TO BE ADDED TO HIS MOTION THAT PASSES. YOU'LL VOTE ON IT ALL TOGETHER. 
          [02:55:05]
SO IF WE GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. BUT HER MOTION IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND HE REJECTS THE AMENDMENT, THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, THEN WE'VE HAD ALL THIS DISCUSSION, AND IT'S A REJECTION OF THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT VERSUS A SUBSTITUTE BECAUSE SHE IF SHE OFFERED A SUBSTITUTE, THEN WE WOULD JUST HAVE THAT MOTION IN A SECOND AND THEN DISCUSSION. 
          IT'S NOT A SUBSTITUTE, I KNOW, SHE SAID, BECAUSE SHE SAID FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. BUT NOW WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSION ON THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL MEMBER MITCHELL WILL ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. HE SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION. 
          I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IF HE ACCEPTS IT IS HIS. SO HE DOESN'T. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. SO USUALLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL BECAUSE THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF HE'S OPEN TO IT. AND SO HE COULD SAY NO, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IF HE ACCEPTS IT BECAUSE FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS IS SOMETHING NOT REALLY RECOGNIZED BY ROBERT IN THE FIRST PLACE. RIGHT? I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IT'S BEEN USED TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT WHAT WE'RE WHAT I THINK IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS IS AN AMENDMENT TO HIS MOTION TO ADD TO HIS MOTION, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE UNDERLYING MOTION, WHICH IS A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS AS IS. SHE'S ADDING TO IT. THAT KEEPS HIS MOTION INTACT. SO WHETHER HE ACCEPTS OR NOT, DOES IT MATTER? BECAUSE IF HER AMENDMENT DOESN'T PASS, HIS MOTION STILL STANDS ON THE FLOOR. BUT IF HER AMENDMENT DOES PASS, HE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THE TENETS OF HER FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. AND NOW IT DOESN'T REALLY BECOME HIS AMENDMENT ANYMORE. AND HE HAS THE HE HE HAS THE MAIN MOTION ON THE FLOOR, WHICH IS WHY YOU VOTE ON HER AMENDMENT SEPARATE FROM VOTING ON HIS MOTION. CAN I ADD SOMETHING? BECAUSE IF IF WE GO BACK TO VOTING ON HIS AMENDMENT WITHOUT SAYING MY ADD ON AND THE GROUP DOES NOT AGREE, THEN WE VOTE IT DOWN, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T GET PASSED. SO THE WAY THAT I ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I WOULD ALWAYS ASK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COUNCILMAN MITCHELL, CAN SAY YAY OR NAY. AND THEN IF HE SAYS YES, MAKE SURE THE SECOND STILL STANDS, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSSION AND THEN HAVE A VOTE ON THAT. IF HE SAYS NAY, THEN THERE'S A SECOND ALREADY, AND IF THERE'S ENOUGH TO VOTE AGAINST IT, THEN THAT BECOMES A MAIN MOTION AND THEN THE DISCUSSION FOR THE DISCUSSION. BUT I JUST THINKING THAT IF HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH THE TENANTS, THEN WE'VE JUST COMPLETELY THROWN HIS MOTION OUT. WE HAVEN'T YOU HAVEN'T. 
          HIS MOTION IS GOOD. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO HIS MOTION AND WE WILL VOTE TO WHETHER OR NOT HIS MOTION WILL ADD THIS NEW STUFF FROM COUNCILWOMAN CARDWELL. LET ME JUST ADD FOR THE RECORD THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS INFORMAL, RIGHT? IT'S NOT REALLY RECOGNIZED UNDER PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. THE RULES THEMSELVES ONLY RECOGNIZE AMENDMENTS ADOPTED BY THE BODY, WHICH IS WHAT I AM PROMOTING, THAT YOU ADOPT HER AMENDMENT. IF IT PASSES, YOU PUT IT WITH HIS MOTION AND YOU VOTE ON THE ENTIRE THING TOGETHER. I'M SAYING, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, IS THIS LIKE A CONDITION? IT. NO. NEVER MIND. 
          I'M. SCRATCH THAT FROM THE RECORD, OKAY? DON'T ASK THAT QUESTION. OKAY? ALRIGHT, OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE BACK TO THE MOTION. WAIT, WAIT. SO WE'RE IN DISCUSSION ON HER AMENDMENT AND THE SECOND BY HEMMING OF ADDING POST ACTION REPORT WARD EIGHT AT LARGE STAGE NOT TO EXCEED 100,000 I SO SO WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION. RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S DISCUSSION ON HER AMENDMENT, THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR CAN CALL FOR THE VOTES TO ADD THAT AMENDMENT TO YOUR MAIN MOTION. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED. OKAY. NOW, THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN ADDED TO MITCHELL'S MAIN MOTION. NOW YOU GUYS JUST NEED TO VOTE. NO MORE MOTIONS AND SECONDS. NOW YOU VOTE ON THE ENTIRE MOTION, WHICH INCLUDES A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ADOPT THE WARD AT LARGE STAGE, NOT IN THE BUDGET NOT TO EXCEED 100,000. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW, BECAUSE HER AMENDMENT JUST PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, IS A MOTION TO ADOPT THE WORLD SOCCER GAME PLAN 2026, FUNDED BY THE WARD A AT LARGE STAGE NOT TO EXCEED $100,000, AND FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO REMIT A POST ACTION REPORT OF EXPENDITURES. THAT'S THE MAIN MOTION. ALL THE I'S, THEN THE NAYS, AND THEN YOU'RE DONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION 
          [03:00:03]
PASSES. GOOD. PLEASE SIT DOWN, MR. ROGERS. PLEASE. YOU CAN'T GO WRONG HERE. IT'S. IT'S NOT A KID. I'M SO. I'M SO ON TO. LET'S SEE. NUMBER SIX, ITEM NUMBER SIX. DISCUSSION AND 
          [III.6. Discussion and Possible Action on Developing a Citywide Litter Prevention and Enforcement Plan]
POSSIBLE ACTION ON DEVELOPING A CITYWIDE LITTER PREVENTION AND ENFORCEMENT PLAN BY COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS AND COUNCILWOMAN HEMMINGS. WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE WORK SESSION IN APRIL. THANK YOU. OH, IN KEEPING WITH WHATEVER DOCUMENTATION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER HAS, CAN YOU SHARE THAT WITH US? ITEM NUMBER SIX. OKAY. DO YOU. OKAY, 
          [III.7. Discussion and Possible Action on a Resolution of the East Point City Council Established Procedure for Work Session Agendas]
NOW ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ACTION ON A RESOLUTION OF THE EASTPOINTE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHED PROCEDURES FOR WORK SESSION AGENDAS. COUNCILMAN. OH, COUNCIL WOMAN MARTIN ROGERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. THAT'S NOT HER. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I AM JUST GOING TO PLACE THIS ITEM ON THE APRIL WORK SESSION AGENDA. BUT THIS RESOLUTION IS ALL OF OUR WORK SESSIONS COMBINED. THE ONLY CHANGE IS AND I WOULD LIKE FEEDBACK ON WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR WORK SESSION PACKET. NORMALLY WE RECEIVE OUR WORK SESSION PACKET ON A SATURDAY FOLLOWED BY A MONDAY MEETING. SO IF YOU LOOK AT SUBSECTION E, I HAVE PLACED CERTAIN PARAMETERS AROUND HAVING INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK. SO THE CITY CLERK COULD AT LEAST HAVE OUR AGENDAS OR THE PACKETS READY TO GO BY WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY OF THE WEEK. STILL LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. BUT THIS THIS ONE RESOLUTION KEEPS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR BOOKLETS, AND THEN COUNCIL PARTICIPATION IN SUBSECTION I JUST GIVES EACH COUNCIL MEMBER FIVE MINUTES OF SPEAKING TIME PER AGENDA ITEM. AND AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. IF THE ITEM BEING IF THE ITEM BEING DISCUSSED IS THE ONE HE OR SHE PLACED ON THE AGENDA. SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE. IT JUST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENCY WHEN WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND WHAT IS PRESENTED. SO, MADAM CITY CLERK, I WOULD LIKE THIS ITEM PLACED ON THE APRIL WORK SESSION AGENDA. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE. YOU CAN ASK ME THE QUESTION SO I CAN WORK ON IT. NOW MY QUESTION IS WHY WOULD WE RELEGATE ANY KIND OF DEADLINES JUST FOR THE WORK SESSION AGENDA VERSUS LIKE ALL OF OUR AGENDAS, SO THAT WE GET EVERYTHING AND WE HAVE TIME TO ABSORB ALL OF THE THINGS? OH, WELL, I ONLY WORKED ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA PORTION BECAUSE JUST AS A COUNCIL MEETING, A COUNCIL MEMBER, OFTENTIMES THE THINGS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO US REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH. I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT OUR COUNCIL MEETING, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THIS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES OUR WORK SESSION AGENDA. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES OUR AGENDA, MEETING PACKETS IN THEIR TOTALITY, YES, THAT WORKS. BUT THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS WHAT WE RECEIVE FOR WORK SESSIONS. SO WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS IN BY A CERTAIN DATE, SO THAT WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EVERYTHING, THAT WE NOT JUST DO THAT FOR WORK SESSIONS, AGENDAS, BUT WE ALSO DO THAT FOR COUNCIL AGENDAS AS WELL, SO THAT WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO REVIEW, READ, COME UP TO SPEED SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED. WHEN WE COME INTO EITHER OF THOSE MEETINGS. OKAY. DO WE HAVE GO AHEAD. YOU JUST HAVE TO RECONCILE THAT WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES ANYTHING BEFORE IT GOES ON A REGULAR MEETING. IT HAS TO GO ON A WORK SESSION, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY YOU HAVE A WORK SESSION POLICY AND YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ONE FOR YOUR VOTING MEETINGS, IF YOU WILL. BUT GREAT IDEA. YOU JUST GOT TO RECONCILE STUFF GOING ON THE REGULAR MEETING THAT HASN'T GONE ON THE WORK SESSION, BECAUSE CURRENTLY YOUR ORDINANCES DON'T ALLOW FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. I THINK THE PIECE THAT I'M SPEAKING TO IS WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS STATE, IS THAT THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED BY A CERTAIN A CERTAIN TIME. IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S PROVIDED TO 
          [03:05:03]
THE CITY CLERK BY A CERTAIN TIME, WHO THEN PROVIDES THE INFORMATION IN OUR AGENDA PACKETS AND MAKES IT READY, AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. BUT OFTENTIMES WE DON'T GET THE INFORMATION FOR WORK SESSION UNTIL A SATURDAY. I'M SPEAKING NOT NECESSARILY OF THE CONTENT OF THE AGENDA, BUT THE TIMING OF WHEN WE SUBMIT THE ACTUAL. THAT IS CORRECT. SO. SO IF IT HAS TO GO TO A WORK SESSION FIRST, SHE WOULD HAVE ALREADY HAD IT. BECAUSE YOUR WORK SESSION PRECEDES. WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS THAT OUR AGENDAS FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS, THEY CHANGE ALL THE WAY UP TO 629. AND SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IF WE ARE IN EARNEST, WOULD LIKE FOR PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS, TO KNOW WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. WHEN WE DO THAT, IT IS VERY DISINGENUOUS BECAUSE IT COULD BE AN ITEM THAT THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN. AND NOW IT'S BEEN ADDED AT 629. THEY HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO GET HERE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT TIME CONSTRAINTS ON ANY OF THE AGENDAS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE GLOBAL SO THAT THE CITIZENS AND THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW AND THEY CAN SAY, YES, THAT'S OF INTEREST TO ME AND I WANT TO BE THERE. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS A DEADLINE FOR OUR WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEMS AND ALSO OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE SCHEDULE COUNCIL MEETING ITEMS. BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT WILL AMEND RULE 15. SO I WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT. 
          WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO WORKING WITH THAT? SURE. YES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT IS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA SOMETIMES. I MEAN, WE HAVE TWO AGENDAS HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED. OKAY. SO LET'S PLAN TO DO THAT. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS PUT THE WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEM ON THE APRIL MEETING. AND THEN WE WILL WORK WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO COME UP WITH THE ORDINANCE CHANGE ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR WHEN ITEMS ARE SUBMITTED FOR THE REGULAR AGENDA TRACK. SO A TIMELINE, A TIMELINE FOR THE A DEADLINE FOR THE WORK SESSION, AGENDA ITEMS, AND ALSO REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN ROGERS IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE ORDINANCE CHANGES, I'VE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES RELATED TO YOUR POLICY. CAN YOU INCLUDE ALL OF THEM? SO WE'RE NOT GOING BACK AND PIECEMEAL CHANGING THE ORDINANCE, BUT CHANGING ALL OF THE SECTIONS TO ACCOMPLISH THE THINGS WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED FOR THE WORK SESSION. SO IT'S FOR THE WORK SESSION RESOLUTION, CORRECT? NO, FOR THE ORDINANCE. BECAUSE REMEMBER, I EMAILED YOU AND PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WOULD THEN FACILITATE HOW ITEMS COME ON AND OFF OF THE AGENDA, HOW THEY ARE DIRECTED TO COMMITTEES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. RECALL OUR EMAIL. THOSE TO YOU. WE DO, WE DO. WE HAVE ORDINANCE FOR THE WORK SESSION. WE THE IT'S NAMED IN THE WORK SESSION BUT NOT CLARIFIED. BUT I THINK YOU WERE SUGGESTING WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A WORK SESSION. GO AHEAD. MISS CALDWELL IS IN. 
          YEAH. IF SINCE WE DEFER THIS TO APRIL, SHOULD WE DISCUSS IT IN APRIL WHEN WE DEFERRED IT TO. 
          BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES THAT. I MEAN. COUNCILMEMBER PERALEZ YEAH. I FROM JUST RECOLLECTION AND MEMORY FROM WHAT YOU SENT OVER, I THOUGHT THE ASK WAS TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE OR A CODE AROUND WORK SESSIONS. AND FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD NOT CREATE AN ORDINANCE AND WE SHOULD KEEP IT THE WAY THAT IT IS SO THAT WE COULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN MAKING CHANGES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A FIRST READ OR REREAD OR THOSE THINGS WITH AN ORDINANCE. SO MAYBE I'M CONFUSED. NO. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CITY ATTORNEY WIGGINS, YOU CAN DO YOUR BEST FOR THAT ARE ADDRESSED BY ORDINANCE. THEY HAVE TO BE CHANGED BY ORDINANCE, RIGHT. AND CURRENTLY YOU ADDRESS WORK SESSION ITEMS. I'M SORRY, REGULAR MEETING ITEMS HAVE TO GO IN THE WORK SESSION FIRST. YOU ADDRESS THAT BY ORDINANCE IN RULE 15. IT'S IN SECTION 2-2002 OF YOUR ORDINANCE. THE WORK SESSION CURRENTLY IS A POLICY WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION THAT THEN YOU CAN CHANGE BY RESOLUTION. 
          BUT TO BRING IN WHAT COUNCILMAN ATKINS IS SAYING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DUAL APPROACH HERE. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORK SESSION POLICY. AND IF YOU WANT TO ADD THE WORK SESSION POLICY IN YOUR ORDINANCE, YOU CAN. BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT TO CHANGE THE WORK SESSION POLICY, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT BY RESOLUTION TO TALK ABOUT YOUR REGULAR MEETINGS. YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT BY ORDINANCE. RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS MENTIONING FOR THE WORK SESSION. IT WOULD BE CHANGED BY RESOLUTION. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT PROCESS. YES. SO THAT WE CAN REMAIN FLEXIBLE AND AGILE WITH THESE DISCUSSIONS FOR THE THE CITY MEETINGS. THEN WE CAN CHANGE THAT BY ORDINANCE. GOT IT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO 
          [03:10:05]
MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE APRIL WORK SESSION. BUT THAT ITEM IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS THE WORK SESSION, WHAT IS THE APRIL WORK SESSION. NEED TO STAY BECAUSE I HAVE THIS ON HERE FOR THE RESOLUTION FOR THE ESTABLISHED PROCEDURES AT WORK SESSION. BUT TO ADD TO COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS POINT, WE WANT TO CHANGE ORDINANCE. SO WHAT ELSE GOES ON THERE FOR THE APRIL WORK SESSION? MEETING FOR THE CITY CLERK, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND RULE 15. OKAY, I THINK THAT'LL BE SIMPLE ENOUGH. OKAY. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE 
          [III.8. Discussion and Possible Action East Point City Council Retreat]
ACTION. EASTPOINTE CITY COUNCIL RETREAT. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN, THANK YOU. AND I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF, BUT THE PURPOSE OF A RETREAT IS FOR STRATEGIC PLANNING AND GOAL SETTING. THE LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS AND COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER SUGGESTED HAVING A COUNCIL RETREAT BETWEEN JANUARY AND MARCH. WELL, I WAS THINKING JANUARY AND MARCH BECAUSE AFTER I DID THE RESEARCH, DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES HAVE IT AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR. SO SOMETIMES THERE ARE RETREATS HELD IN MARCH, SOMETIMES THEY'RE HELD IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. I THINK KEEPING THIS RESOLUTION BETWEEN JANUARY AND MARCH, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST COUNCIL RETREAT, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE COULD BE BETWEEN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, WHICH WOULD BE A FALL RETREAT PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR. THAT GIVES COUNCIL THE FLEXIBILITY TO SCHEDULE THEIR OWN RETREATS. BUT IT'S NOT STATED HERE IN THIS ORDINANCE. SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS WITH THE SUGGESTED CHANGES FOR TONIGHT. IF ANYONE WANTS TO ADD ANY INPUT TO THE APRIL WORK SESSION AGENDA. BUT HERE TONIGHT IT SAYS MONTH OF JANUARY WITH THE FOLLOW UP RETREAT IN JULY. IT'S NOT CORRECT. I'LL YIELD. 
          COUNCILWOMAN HELMING I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT THE BUDGET IMPACT OF THIS SHOULD BE ENUMERATED, AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTIVES TO STAFF TO SUPPORT THIS COUNCIL RETREAT. LIKE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CURRENT RESOLUTION SPEAKS TO ALL OF THOSE DETAILS. SO THOSE ARE THE DETAILS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER. YEAH. AND THEN FOR THE WHEN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, I THINK JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE, THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE IT AFTER. SO LIKE IN A YEAR WHERE THERE'S AN ELECTION AND THEN THERE'S NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEWLY ELECTED TRAINING HAS HAPPENED AND THEN HAVE A RETREAT, BUT THEN THAT WOULD ONLY HAPPEN LIKE IN THOSE YEARS. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE EVERY TWO YEARS, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LATER. 
          YEAH. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MAKE I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER, BUT. JUST SO THAT IT DOESN'T KIND OF MAKE US DO IT IN JANUARY IN THE EVENT THAT, LIKE, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO'S NEW, WHO DOESN'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE ROLE YET, LIKE, DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I JUST WANT IT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL MEETING BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE PLACE ON A SATURDAY. 
          AND SO JUST HAVING IT AFTER THE THE TRAINING I THINK WOULD BE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY. SO, SO BETWEEN THE MONTHS OF JANUARY AND, AND MARCH, THAT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO PUT IN HERE. OKAY. AND THEN BETWEEN THE MONTHS OF SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER FOR THE BUDGET. YES, I LIKE THAT. SO WE CAN PLAN FOR THE NEXT YEAR. AND COUNCIL MEMBER HEMMING, IF YOU COULD SEND YOUR SUGGESTIONS OVER, THEN THEY CAN BE INCORPORATED. ALRIGHT. BUT I'LL PUT THIS BACK ON THE. CITY MANAGER AND THEN WE HAVE CITY ATTORNEY. ARE YOU IN AS WELL? NO. YEAH. OH, OKAY. I AM SO SORRY. MY APOLOGIES. COUNCIL MEMBER HEMMING, YOU DISCUSSED BUDGET IMPACT. DO I NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THIS OR. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A LINE ITEM ITEM FOR COUNCIL RETREATS. MR. CITY MANAGER, DON'T WE. SO SO I THAT'S MY MY COMMENTS ARE JUST GOING TO RELATE TO THE THE BUDGET PIECE OF IT. SO GOAL SETTING IS USUALLY A TERM RELATED TO THE BUDGET. STRATEGIC PLANNING IS USUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S RELATED TO LONG TERM LONG LONGER TERM PLANNING. SO GOAL SETTING IS LIKE A 12 MONTH OUTLOOK. 
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STRATEGIC PLANNING IS USUALLY 510 EVEN IN SOME CASES 15 YEAR OUTLOOK. I WASN'T REFERRING TO THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET DISCUSSION. I WAS REFERRING TO WHAT THE THE COST, THE IMPACT WOULD BE TO OUR BUDGET. SO IS THIS A RETREAT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING $100,000, OR IS THIS $5,000? AND WE'RE DOING IT HERE IN CITY HALL? I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS WITHOUT KNOWING THE COST PARAMETERS RELATED TO THIS RETREAT I GOT YOU. WELL, CERTAINLY THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF PERSPECTIVE AS TO THE BENEFITS OF HAVING MEETINGS, PARTICULARLY ONES THAT ARE RELATED TO TEAM BUILDING AND CONTINUITY OF THE BODY OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL PLACE OF OF WHERE YOU OPERATE AND WORK TOGETHER. AS I WAS JUST THINKING WITH GOAL SETTING, THAT CAN BE ANYWHERE THAT THAT THERE'S REALLY NO, NO CLEAR, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT IS GOOD TO HAVE IT ON SITE OR OFF SITE. I JUST WANTED TO ALSO REMIND LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAKING AN ORDINANCE, WE DO HAVE THOSE ODD YEARS WHEN ELECTIONS ARE INVOLVED, AND A LOT OF THOUGHT WOULD BE TO HAVE YOUR GOAL SETTING LATER ON SO THAT THE NEW COUNCIL, WHO'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ENGAGING IN THAT BUDGET, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO TO BE A PART OF THE PLANNING. SO THE MARCH, THE EARLY JANUARY TO FEBRUARY TENDS TO LEND ITSELF MORE ON A CONSISTENT BASIS FOR GOAL SETTING. WHEREAS THE FALL I, I THINK THERE WAS SOME SOME RESEARCH DONE ON OTHER CITIES. I WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, GUESS THAT THAT THAT FALL TO IT'S PROBABLY MORE STRATEGIC PLANNING. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES, COUNCILMEMBER HEMMING, I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO ACTUALLY HAVE SPECIFICS IN THE THE DOCUMENT OR THE LEGISLATION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS IS PROPOSING WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON, FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT I DID FOR THE THE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT YOU BROUGHT FORWARD REGARDING THE TRAINING. I THINK THAT IN A VERY EFFICIENT WAY TO APPROACH WHAT ALLOWED THIS DOCUMENT TO ESTABLISH THE RETREAT, AND THE COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THAT AND THEN ALLOW THE BUDGET TO DETERMINE WHAT WE SPEND IN ANY GIVEN YEAR FOR THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE THAT POLICY DOCUMENT, THE COUNCIL ALSO HAS THE LAST SAY IN THAT AS WELL. BUT I THINK TO I THINK WE AGREED NOT TO ATTACH THE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO THE TRAINING THAT YOU SPOKE, AND I SPOKE IN FAVOR OF NOT HAVING THAT FOR THAT VERY SAME REASON, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND AMEND OR CHANGE WHEN RATES CHANGE, OR WHEN A LOCATION CHANGE OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. I APPRECIATE THAT OUR ORDINANCES REQUIRE THAT WHEN WE MAKE A POLICY THAT WE AT LEAST CONSIDER THE BUDGET IMPACT. SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE RANGE IN WHICH COUNCILMAN MARTIN ROGERS IS ANTICIPATING, NOT THAT IT HAS TO BE IN THE LEGISLATION, BUT THAT I WANT US TO BE AWARE WHAT HER PROPOSAL IS. SO WE GET AN IDEA OF THE SCOPE OR MAGNITUDE OF THIS REQUEST TRACKING. OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T WANT US TO HAVE TO INCLUDE AN AMOUNT IN THAT AND ALLOW THIS TO BE THE POLICY TO ESTABLISH AND THEN THE BUDGET TO BE THE POLICY THAT DETERMINES HOW MUCH. RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THE AGENDA FOR THE RETREAT USUALLY SHARED WITH COUNCIL PRIOR TO. FOR THE RETREAT AGENDA? JUST I'M ASKING BECAUSE I'M FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN COUNCIL SETS THEIR OWN RETREAT AGENDA. THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS IF THERE ARE LIKE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN CERTAIN FIELDS AND CERTAIN AREAS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO COME IN. AND IF WE HAVE THOSE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND KIND OF TALK TO US ABOUT OR A GUEST OR WHOMEVER ELSE IS ON THAT, I'M ASKING, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO SHARE MAYBE SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE OR A CERTAIN TOPIC THAT COULD BE COVERED DURING THAT? YES. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. I MEAN, COUNCIL HAS PRETTY MUCH SET THEIR OWN AGENDAS FOR RETREATS. SO AND WE BUILD UPON THAT AND PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HE SEEKS OUT. IT'S A DIRECTIVE, BUT HE SEEKS OUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AT OUR RETREATS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE MEMBERS HERE. SO FOR THE BUDGET THAT WE DID HAVE, IT WAS APPROVED. THE IT WAS $8,000. THAT WAS A LINE ITEM FOR THE COUNCIL RETREAT. AND I DON'T JUST JUST FYI SO THAT YOU GUYS DO KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE LINE 
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ITEM AMOUNT FOR THE RETREAT I YIELD. THANK YOU. SEEING THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION ON 
          [III.9. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Setting Aside Funds for Potential Partnership with the Downtown Development Authority (DDA) or Other Authorized Development Entities (Action May be Taken)]
THIS ITEM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON SETTING ASIDE FUNDS FOR THE POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND OTHER AUTHORIZED DEVELOPMENT ENTITIES. ACTION MAY BE TAKEN. MAYOR, I BELIEVE THIS ITEM PASSED LAST CYCLE. IS IT OKAY? NUMBER NINE OFF NUMBER TEN TO THE NEW AGENDA ITEMS 
          [IV.10. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Enhanced Revenues - HDL Companies (Action May be Taken)]
COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOR ENHANCED REVENUES H D L COMPANIES ACTION TAKEN. CITY MANAGER. YES. SO THIS ITEM IS A ITEM THAT FURTHER EXPLORES REVENUE GENERATING OPERATIONS AND ACTIVITIES. AND SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A FIRM, HDL COMPANIES I KNOW THAT. OH GREAT. THEY'RE HERE. AND I WILL HAVE THE GENTLEMAN COME UP BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HIS NAME OFFHAND. SO PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          PLEASE COME ON UP AND WALK THE COUNCIL THROUGH THIS ITEM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY. WE WERE TOLD WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TO CONNECT AND ALSO PRESENT. SO CAN I JUST PLUG IN HERE? YEAH. OKAY. I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME HELP COMING UP HERE. JUST. IN. OKAY. SURE. THANK YOU. I AM ACTUALLY BRINGING IN TWO ASSOCIATES. THROUGH A TEAMS CALL. ONE SECOND. 
          WONDERFUL. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'M JASON PORT. I'M WITH HDL COMPANIES. I LIVE HERE IN THE GREATER ATLANTA AREA DOWN FROM FORSYTH COUNTY. I GREW UP IN SOUTH GEORGIA. DOUGHERTY COUNTY, THE ALBANY AREA. TODAY I'VE INCLUDED JANICE JACKSON. SHE IS STRATEGIC ADVISOR WITH HDL HERE IN GEORGIA. SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF HER BEFORE, AND ALSO OUR VP OF TAX AND FEE, WHICH IS JOSH DAVIS. AND HE'S HERE. HE'S GOING TO ACTUALLY BE LEADING THIS PRESENTATION. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL ALL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. JOSH, I HAVE JUST STEPPED UP HERE, SO I HAVE NOT GIVEN AN OVERVIEW OF EXACTLY WHO HDL IS OR WHAT WE DO. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STEP IN, I'LL HAND IT OFF TO YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU JASON AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I WILL START WITH JUST A QUICK POWERPOINT TO GO OVER, JUST SOME VERY SORT OF BASIC INTRODUCTION OF HDL AND SOME OF THE SERVICES WE PERFORM, AND THEN CAN TAKE JUST A QUICK BREAK AND ASK QUESTIONS AND OR ANSWER QUESTIONS IN ANY OTHER SORT OF TOPICS THAT SORT OF COME UP. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU TONIGHT. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SORT OF WHAT HDL OFFERS IN ITS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE GMA AND ITS REVENUE ADVANTAGE PROGRAM. WE, YOU KNOW, TALK A LITTLE BIT FIRST ABOUT JUST HDL AND WHY WE'RE THE THE SORT OF RIGHT PARTNER THAT THE GMA HAS CHOSEN TO WORK WITH WITH ITS CITIES. WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 40 YEAR HISTORY OF SERVICING CLIENTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES IN A VARIETY OF TAX AND FEE SERVICES, RANGING FROM LOCAL TAX COLLECTION, REVENUE ENHANCEMENT, BUDGETING AND FORECASTING SUPPORT, AND A 
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VARIETY OF OTHER SERVICES RELATED TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WE CURRENTLY SERVE OVER 700 CITIES AND COUNTIES AND SPECIAL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. WE HAVE ABOUT A 99.6 RETENTION RATE FOR OUR CLIENTS. ONCE THEY COME ON BOARD, THEY'RE TYPICALLY INCREDIBLY PLEASED WITH OUR SERVICES AND AND STAY ON BOARD LONG TERM. WE PROCESS ABOUT $200 MILLION ANNUALLY IN TAX AND FEE PAYMENTS FOR OUR JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, COLLECTING THINGS FROM AS SIMPLE AS, YOU KNOW, DOG LICENSES OR SIMPLE FEE AND REGISTRATION PERMITS UP TO COMPLICATED TAX STRUCTURES LIKE OCCUPATIONAL TAXES, INCOME TAXES, AND THE LIKE. WHAT WE HEAR FROM OUR CLIENTS IN TERMS OF OF SORT OF THEIR JOURNEY AND WHAT THEY SORT OF CONSIDER SUCCESS FROM THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS IS CERTAINLY WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF A LOT OF THEIR MINDS, WHICH IS INCREASED REVENUES. NOT ONLY DO WE ADMINISTER THE REVENUES ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENTS AND FIND OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW REVENUE STREAMS THAT AREN'T THERE, BUT ARE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS AND OVERVIEW OF THE TAX ADMINISTRATION GENERALLY SEE ABOUT A DOUBLE RUN RATE OVER WHAT THE AVERAGE IS IN THE STATE THAT WE'RE OPERATING FOR GROWTH. SO IF THE CITY TYPICALLY SEES AROUND 3% ANNUALLY OF GROWTH WITHIN THEIR TAX STRUCTURE, OUR SERVICES TYPICALLY GENERATE AROUND 6 TO 7%. AND SO INCREASED REVENUE IS A BIG PART OF THE REASONS THAT CLIENTS CHOOSE US TO MOVE FORWARD. ADDITIONALLY, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, IT'S NOT ALL JUST ABOUT MONEY. MANY OF THE CLIENTS, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THE FACT THAT WE'RE REALLY EXPANDING CUSTOMER SERVICE. OUR GOAL IS TO MEET MEET SORT OF THE THE CITIZENS AND THE TAXPAYERS WHERE THEY ARE PROVIDING ENHANCED HOURS OF SERVICE, ALL DIFFERENT CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION, FROM TELEPHONE TO EMAIL TO REGULAR MAIL, OF COURSE, AS WELL AS CUTTING EDGE NEW THINGS LIKE LIVE CHAT AND KEEPING UP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO THAT, WE BRING TO THE TABLE THE SORT OF BEST IN BREED TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN SORT OF THE ERPS AND SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT CITIES ARE CURRENTLY USING TO SORT OF PIN IN THEIR EXISTING TAX OR FEE SERVICES INTO SORT OF A WIDER ERP SYSTEM WHERE OURS IS A DEDICATED, BUILT AND CUSTOMIZED BEST OF BREED TECHNOLOGY FOR COLLECTING TAXES AND FEES ACROSS THE BOARD PROVIDES A ROBUST SOLUTION FOR BOTH THE CITY'S INTERFACE AS WELL AS FOR THE CONSTITUENTS OF THE CITY. 
          ALL OF THESE TOGETHER BRING US SOME VERY SORT OF ADVANCED REPORTING AND ANALYTICS. WE'RE ABLE TO DO FORECASTING SUPPORT FOR BUDGETS. WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE DETAILED ANALYTICS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH FACTORS, AS WELL AS JUST RESPOND TO THE REPORTING NEEDS THAT COME UP ON A FREQUENT BASIS, RELATED TO THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE ADMINISTERING AND TAKING CARE OF. AND SORT OF FINALLY, AS I AS I SAID, SORT OF IN EXPANDING THE CUSTOMER SERVICE, WE REALLY TAKE SORT OF THIS CONCIERGE LEVEL APPROACH TO OUR SERVICE FACTOR. WE DO SPECIAL ONE ON ONE MEETINGS, SEMINARS. WE'LL SCHEDULE TIME WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T MAYBE NECESSARILY WANT TO CALL IN. WE HAVE VERY, VERY AGGRESSIVE SLAS THAT WE MONITOR ON A CONSISTENT BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT TAXPAYER INQUIRIES ARE ANSWERED IN A VERY BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          IT'S TYPICALLY 30S OR LESS FOR A PHONE CALL THAT WE GUARANTEE, AND SAME DAY RESPONSE TO EMAILS OR LETTERS AND THINGS THAT ARE RECEIVED IN THE MAIL. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CLIENTS AND AND THE COMMUNITY REALLY APPRECIATE FROM THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. IN GENERAL, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WHAT WE CALL OUR TAX AND FEE ADMINISTRATION SERVICE. IT IS A TURNKEY SOLUTION FOR MANAGING AND ADMINISTERING THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS OF SPECIFIC TAX AND FEE PROGRAMS. SO THIS IS THINGS LIKE YOUR ALCOHOL TAX, YOUR LODGING TAXES, YOUR OCCUPATIONAL TAXES, AND A VARIETY OF OTHER FEES AND SERVICES THAT ARE THERE. SO THIS ISN'T JUST A SOFTWARE SOLUTION. THIS IS A FULL TURNKEY SERVICE THAT HANDLES ALL OF THE DAY TO DAY OPERATION, CUSTOMER SUPPORT, AND ALL OF THE LIKES WE PROVIDE ALONG WITH THE SERVICE, THE CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY THAT PROVIDES ALL OF THE SYSTEMS TO BOTH HELP AGAIN, THE CITY AND ITS CONSTITUENTS WITH ONLINE FUNCTIONALITY THAT RANGES NOT FROM JUST MAKING A PAYMENT OR FILING A RETURN, BUT MAKING ADDENDUMS TO YOUR RETURN, NOTIFYING THE CITY OF OPENING OR CLOSING OF BUSINESS ACTIVITY, UPDATING TAXPAYER INFORMATION IN TERMS OF MAYBE A MAILING ADDRESS CHANGE. SO OUR TECHNOLOGY REALLY GOES THE EXTRA MILE TO ENSURE A VERY 
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BROAD LEVEL OF SUPPORT TO THE COMMUNITY. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM, OF COURSE, ALSO HANDLES ALL THE CUSTOMER SERVICE. SO WHENEVER SOMEONE WOULD HAVE COME INTO THE CITY OR MADE A PHONE CALL TO THE CITY FOR QUESTIONS OR SUPPORT, OR I NEED HELP WITH A CERTAIN PERMIT OR A CERTAIN LICENSE, OR HOW DO I MAKE MY PAYMENT? WE HANDLE ALL OF THAT AS A PART OF THE AS A PART OF THE SERVICE FOR, FOR THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY, OFFERING EXTENDED HOURS AND A VARIETY OF OTHER SERVICES AND CHANNELS TO MAKE THAT PROCESS AS EASY AND SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE. WE ALSO HANDLE THE MONITORING OF ALL OF THE TAX ACTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. THIS MEANS EDUCATION AND COMPLIANCE OF THE COMMUNITY FOR A VARIETY OF WAYS. WITH HOTELS AND MOTELS, IT MEANS MEETING WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE RULES AND REQUIREMENTS AROUND THE REPORTING. WHAT ARE ALLOWABLE DEDUCTIONS AND WHAT ARE NOT. AND THEN WE MONITOR THOSE ACTIVITIES IN REAL TIME TO ENSURE THAT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE PAYING YOU ARE PAYING YOU ACCURATELY. WE DO THIS THROUGH OUR COMPLIANCE WORK, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY IN A LITTLE BIT, AS WELL AS FINDING ALL OF THE BUSINESSES OR ENTITIES THAT SHOULD BE REGISTERED AND PAYING TAXES, BUT ARE NOT. THEY'VE GONE OFF THE RADAR. THEY'RE COMING IN FROM PERHAPS AN OUTSIDE JURISDICTION AND DOING WORK WITHIN THE CITY WITHOUT PAYING TAXES, OR EVEN JUST A BRICK AND MORTAR THAT SOMEHOW HAS MADE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROPER REGISTRATION OR GETTING THEIR ZONING APPROVAL OR PAYING THEIR TAX. AND THEN, OF COURSE, A BIG PART OF OUR PROGRAM FOR ADMINISTRATION, AS I MENTIONED, IS OUR ROBUST DATA AND REPORTING. SO AS WE BEGIN TO COME IN, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DETAILED REPORTING THAT CAN BE BOTH VERY HONED IN IN TERMS OF CONFIDENTIAL FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN FINANCE, BUT ALSO PROVIDING PUBLIC INFORMATION. REPORTS. UPDATE TO COUNCIL ON GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY, AVERAGES AND BASICALLY OTHER SORT OF PUBLIC INFORMATION TYPE REPORTS THAT CAN BE PUT TOGETHER IN SUMMARY, FOR SHARING IN A BROADER SCOPE. 
          AGAIN, BRIEFLY, I'LL MOVE THROUGH OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE. AS I MENTIONED, INCLUDES A VARIETY OF ITEMS MAKING AVAILABLE ALL OF THAT TECHNOLOGY FOR ONLINE FILING, BEING ABLE TO MAKE PAYMENTS OR FILE RETURNS BY PHONE WHEN THAT'S MORE CONVENIENT. OF COURSE, WE STILL SUPPORT ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF BY HAND MAIL OR HANDWRITTEN APPLICATIONS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND AS I SAID, WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SLAS THAT WE KEEP UP WITH, WITH OUR CLIENTS TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS BEING SERVICED AND A LEVEL THAT THEY'RE USED TO AND HOPEFULLY MORE. AS I SAID, WE TYPICALLY HAVE EXTENDED HOURS THAT WE'RE THERE FOR SUPPORT, KNOWING THAT BUSINESSES DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TIME TO TAKE OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, WE OFFER EARLIER HOURS IN THE MORNING AND LATER HOURS IN THE EVENING SUPPORT FOR OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE. SO ALL DESIGNED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR INTERFACE WITH WHAT WOULD HAVE NORMALLY BEEN THE CITY IS DONE IN A SORT OF VERY BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT JUST THE THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE TAXPAYERS THAT NEED SUPPORT THE CLIENTS. 
          OUR CLIENTS DO AS WELL. SO WE HAVE A DEDICATED CLIENT SUPPORT TEAM THAT WORKS WITH YOU AND YOUR STAFF TO HANDLE ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT MAY COME UP OR THAT THEY MAY NEED. WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH EMAIL, THROUGH TELEPHONE. WE ALSO HAVE AN ONLINE PORTAL WHERE THE CITY CAN LOG IN AND RETRIEVE ANY OF ITS DATA, OR ANY OF THE REPORTS THAT IT WANTS, SORT OF IN REAL TIME ON ITS OWN. BUT THROUGH OUR DEDICATED CLIENT SUPPORT TEAM, CITIES CAN ALWAYS SEND AN EMAIL OR MAKE A PHONE CALL, ASK FOR ANY REPORT OR ANY DATA, AND WE'LL JUST PROVIDE THAT TO THEM UPON REQUEST. THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL CHARGES OR FEES FOR ANY REPORTING OR SUPPORT WITH ANALYTICS. THEY ALL COME AS A AS A PART OF OUR STANDARD SERVICE TO ENSURE THAT OUR CLIENTS ARE GETTING EVERYTHING THEY NEED OUT OF THE PROGRAM. I MENTIONED EARLIER SORT OF OUR MONITORING AND COMPLIANCE WORK. THIS IS DONE THROUGH SORT OF THREE KEY COMPONENTS OF OUR OF OUR SERVICE. THE DISCOVERY PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUBJECT TO REGISTRATION BUT ARE NOT REGISTERED. SO IF YOU HAVE A HOTEL OR MAYBE MORE LIKELY, SOMETHING LIKE A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT'S OPERATING AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT OR THEY'RE NOT PAYING THEIR HOTEL TAX, OUR SERVICES DESIGNED TO FIND THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OPERATING, EDUCATE THEM ON THE RULES AND THE REQUIREMENTS, COLLECT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION, SECURE THE NECESSARY APPROVALS ON THEIR BEHALF, AND ULTIMATELY COLLECT PAYMENT FROM THEM. AND THAT'S FOR ANY OF THE TAX TYPES THAT ARE THERE OCCUPATIONAL TAX, ALCOHOL TAX, LODGING TAX, RENTAL TAXES, ANY OF THE TAXES AND FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED LOCALLY AND ADMINISTERED BY YOU 
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OR DISCOVERY PROGRAM IS PRIMARILY DESIGNED TO SORT OF FIND ALL THE ONES THAT SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS AND ENSURE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR THE REST OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THAT MAKING SURE THAT SORT OF WHILE THE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY AND MONITORING AND PAYING THEIR TAXES, THAT THE BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET ISN'T SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS, COLLECTIONS IS DONE ON ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE EXISTING, RIGHT? SO JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE FILES, BUT THEY MAY MISS THEIR FILING DEADLINE, THEY MAY FORGET TO FILE THIS QUARTER OR THIS YEAR OR THIS MONTH OR WHATEVER THEIR CYCLE IS. THEY MAY UNDERREPORT OR MISREPORT AND NEED TO HAVE FOLLOW UP ALL INCLUDED IN OUR SERVICES, SORT OF THAT FOLLOW UP AND DELINQUENT COLLECTIONS ACCOUNTS, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS RESOLUTION, WHETHER THAT ULTIMATELY MEANS COLLECTING FROM THEM OR SIMPLY THEY FORGOT TO NOTIFY THE CITY THAT THEY MOVED OUT OF TOWN, OR THEY'VE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS SO THAT WE CAN CREATE A DISPENSATION OF THE ACCOUNT THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO OUR COLLECTIONS EFFORT REALLY GOES THROUGH AND FINDS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE ACCOUNTS ARE UPDATED CURRENT AND REFLECT THE ACCURATE STATUS OF THE BUSINESS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND FINALLY, OUR AUDIT WORK REALLY SORT OF TAKES A LOOK AT YOUR EXISTING COMMUNITY AND ENSURES THAT THE FILINGS THAT THEY'RE FILING ARE CORRECT, THAT THEY'VE REPORTED THEIR CORRECT GROSS RECEIPTS, THAT THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THEIR NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES OR WHATEVER THE VARIABLES ARE. THAT IS THE MEASURE OF THE TAX OR FEE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTERING. WE DO A VARIETY OF ANALYTICS AND VARIANCE REPORTING, LOOKING FOR DIFFERENCES IN THE FILINGS FROM PERIOD TO PERIOD FROM PRIOR PERIODS. SO THIS APRIL TO LAST APRIL, HOW DID THAT DATA MOVE? HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THE REST OF THE BUSINESSES IN YOUR JURISDICTION, AS WELL AS OTHER BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE STATE? AND WHAT WE SEE AS AVERAGES AND THEN AUDITS ARE CONDUCTED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE. HEY, JOSH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. NO, IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM. SO WE JUST WANTED TO DO A CHECK IN BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT WAS AN AGENDA. SO DO WE COUNCIL WANT TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH HOW MUCH. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF TIME? I THINK HE'S WITHIN THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY. I JUST WANT TO DO A TIME CHECK BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN Q AND A, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FULLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE SERVICE IS. 
          SO. JOSH, YOU YOU HAVE JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES. EXCUSE ME, MADAM MAYOR, CAN WE CLARIFY? IS THERE AN ACTION BEFORE TONIGHT? WAIT A MINUTE. ONE SECOND. IS THERE AN AN ACTION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE US TO CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT? CITY. MR. CITY MANAGER, THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM. LET ME MAKE SURE IT SAYS POSSIBLE ACTION. SO IF THERE'S ANY ACTION, JUST DIRECTION FOR CITY MANAGER TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS. OKAY. REGARDING SOME CONTRACTUAL OR FEES OR WHATEVER RELATED TO THE SERVICES. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ORIGINALLY THIS WAS SCHEDULED FOR LAST WEEK AND I THINK IT GOT MOVED. SO. OKAY JOSH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD IF YOU'VE GOT. YEP. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S A PRETTY AGAIN HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE SERVICES. I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST GIVE A BRIEF SORT OF SHOW OF SORT OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE TAXPAYER OR THE BUSINESS INTERFACE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          WE'RE JUST PULLING UP A QUICK EXAMPLE OF LET ME JUST REFRESH THE PAGE. APOLOGIES, UNION CITY, GEORGIA, THAT IS ONE OF OUR CLIENTS. THIS IS SORT OF ONE OF THE MAIN ACCESS POINTS FOR SOME OF OUR SERVICES, WHERE THEY CAN ACCESS ALL THE VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE ARE MANAGING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, IN THIS CASE, FOR THEM, WE'RE HANDLING THEIR HOTEL, MOTEL EXCISE TAX, THEIR ALCOHOL, OCCUPATIONAL AND MOTOR VEHICLE RENTAL TAX. EACH OF THESE ITEMS DIVE INTO MORE DETAIL. THE BUSINESSES ARE ABLE TO CREATE A SORT OF CITYWIDE ACCOUNT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO FILE ALL OF THESE RETURNS, TOGETHER WITH A CONSOLIDATED PAYMENT AND ACCOUNT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM STILL HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE PORTAL THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO DO ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL THINGS. SO SUBMITTING AN OCCUPATIONAL TAX APPLICATION, PAYING AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE SO YOU CAN DIVE IN AND DO ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL FUNCTIONS FOR FOR THE SPECIFIC TAX TYPE OR FEE. BUT YOU CAN ALSO TAKE CARE OF THINGS IN A MORE GENERAL APPROACH, WHICH ALLOWS THEM A SORT OF SINGLE PLACE TO GO FOR ALL OF THEIR TAX AND FEES, MANY OF WHICH ARE DONE ACROSS THE BOARD BY THE SAME BUSINESS. SO A HOTEL MAY NEED TO FILE ITS HOTEL TAX, BUT IT ALSO NEEDS ITS OCCUPATIONAL TAX. AND THEN THEIR RESTAURANT INSIDE MAY ALSO NEED THEIR ALCOHOL TAX OR SOMETHING. SO HAVING A SORT OF CONSOLIDATED EXPERIENCE FOR THEM IS PRETTY IMPORTANT. WE ALSO OFFER SORT OF A VARIETY OF 
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FAQS, AND THEY CAN OF COURSE DOWNLOAD FORMS AND DO SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. BUT PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD DO IN PERSON, YOU CAN ALSO DO ONLINE. AND OF COURSE VICE VERSA. WE OFFER THE ABILITY FOR EVERYBODY TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS WELL OVER THE PHONE AND A VARIETY OF OTHER METHODS AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY GOOD PLACE TO STOP FOR ME. JUST A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE SERVICES. I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO. SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFICS. OR, JASON, YOU CAN GO INTO SOME MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE WE'RE SORT OF TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND THEN, YEAH, AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER AND THEN, COUNCILWOMAN HAMMOND, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, MR. JONES. SO WHAT WHAT IS YOUR VISION? WHAT IS YOUR ENVISION IN USING THIS ORGANIZATION, THIS COMPANY, AND INTEGRATING IT INTO OUR OWN OPERATIONS? GOT YOU. SO THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT INITIALLY CAUGHT MY EYE AND AND ACTUALLY RAN INTO THIS COMPANY AT THE ICMA. THE MOST RECENT ICMA CONFERENCE, THE BEING UP TO DATE WITH OUR HOTEL MOTEL TAX. WE'RE CURRENTLY ON LIKE AN HONOR SYSTEM THAT IS ALWAYS KIND OF BOTHERED ME A BIT ON HOW TRUE THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GETTING. I KNOW WE'VE HAD CHALLENGES WITH OUR ALCOHOL AND AND SO THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, DO DO THAT. BUT I ALSO THINK THIS WOULD ALSO GIVE US SOME AUTOMATION IN SOME OF OUR CUSTOMER CARE ISSUES. THERE'S BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO FIND ECONOMICAL WAYS TO PAY US, AND HAD TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF BUREAUCRATIC CHALLENGES JUST TO PAY US. SO I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THERE. WE CERTAINLY HAVE HAD CONCERNS BROUGHT FORWARD ABOUT BUILDING PERMITS AND AND SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO I THINK THEY CAN HELP US THERE. OKAY, GREAT. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE AIRBNBS, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN HELP US WITH, WITH MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE REGISTERED AND PAYING THEIR TAXES. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMPANY, AIRBNB DOES NOT GIVE OUT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE ON THEIR WEBSITE. SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH, THAT'S A THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WE HAVE A SORT OF PROPRIETARY SERVICE THAT IS ABLE TO TAKE ALL OF THE LISTINGS THAT YOU SEE ON AIRBNB, VRBO, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF THEM NOWADAYS ALL THOSE LISTINGS GET PULLED OFF. THEY GET DEDUPLICATED BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE SEE IS MANY PEOPLE WILL LIST ON MULTIPLE PLATFORMS, RIGHT? THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH EXPOSURE AS THEY CAN. SO WE DE-DUPLICATE THOSE, AND THEN WE ARE ABLE TO BASICALLY THROUGH OUR PROCESSES, IDENTIFY THOSE PROPERTIES AND WHICH PARCEL THEY BELONG TO, WHICH THEN HELPS US TO IDENTIFY WHO THE OWNER IS. WE'RE THEN ABLE TO CROSS-REFERENCE THAT TO YOUR CURRENT LIST OF TAXPAYERS OR PERMITTED ENTITIES, AND THEN WE REACH OUT TO THOSE THAT ARE NOT CORRECT AND CURRENT, AGAIN, EDUCATE THEM ON THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS, WHETHER THAT BE HELPING THEM TO GET THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS OR WHETHER THAT'S JUST SETTING UP A TAX ACCOUNT AND MAKING SURE THEY FILE THEIR TAXES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND MOST OF THESE AIRBNBS WOULD PROBABLY BE OWNED BY LLCS OR SOME KIND OF COMPANY. AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE KIND OF ALMOST LIKE A RACKET, LIKE WHERE YOU CAN'T FIND THE ACTUAL OWNER. HOW FAR, HOW MUCH EFFORT DO YOU PUT IN PLACE AND WHEN DO YOU LOOP US IN AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND TRYING TO FIND WHO THE OWNER IS. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A PRETTY HIGH COMPLIANCE RATE. IT'S TYPICALLY AROUND 95% IDENTIFICATION. SO WE'RE ABLE TO TYPICALLY IDENTIFY THESE. AND THERE'S VERY FEW THAT IT TAKES US WHERE WE GET STUCK. AND USUALLY WHEN WE DO GET STUCK, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TAKING A BIT MORE TIME. EVENTUALLY WE SORT OF FIND THEM. IT JUST MAYBE WE DON'T GET THEM RIGHT AWAY. BUT YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL WE FIND THEY ACT WITH ACCURACY, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM. WE MAY RUN INTO ACCOUNTS, I THINK, AS YOU MENTIONED, WHICH ARE MAYBE KIND OF IN SHELL ACCOUNTS LIKE IN AN LLC OR POTENTIALLY ARE MANAGED THROUGH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OR SOME OF THE OTHER METHODS, WE'RE TYPICALLY ABLE TO FIND ALL OF THOSE AS WELL AND ULTIMATELY GET TO THE RIGHT PERSON TO TALK TO, TO, TO GARNER COMPLIANCE. OKAY. THANK 
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YOU, I YIELD COUNCILMAN BACK. WELL, I WAS ACTUALLY IN FIRST, BUT YOU CAN GO AHEAD IF YOU'D LIKE. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. I'LL GO AHEAD. OKAY. I'LL BE REALLY QUICK. SO THE SYSTEM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR BEING WITH US. NORMALLY THE PRESENTATION SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED EARLIER IN THE MEETING. SO OUR APOLOGIES ON THAT. BUT MR. CITY MANAGER, WE HAVE THE BSA SYSTEM. AND SO I'M CURIOUS HOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WOULD THEN INTEGRATE WITH THE BSA SYSTEM. BECAUSE DIDN'T WE SPEND A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO KIND OF BRING THAT ONLINE? SO BSA IS KIND OF OUR PAYABLE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE SYSTEM. THIS IS MORE OF A SERVICE DIRECTED AT GARNERING THE RELATIONSHIP TO GET BETTER TAX AND FEE COMPLIANCE. TWO KIND OF SEPARATE, SEPARATE THINGS. ONE IS JUST HELPING US ACCOUNT AND KEEP AN ACCOUNTING PROCESS THAT CAN ALLOW US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR INTERNAL CONTROLS AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, FOR EXAMPLE, I GO TO THE BSA SYSTEM TO LOOK UP MY ADDRESS TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M COMPLIANT WITH TAXES OR PASS PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED ON MY HOME. SO I'M CURIOUS, SINCE THEY HAVE A SEPARATE INTERFACE, HOW THEN THEIR DATA ARE TRANSFERRED OVER TO BSA? BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS A REALLY USEFUL WAY FOR LIKE ONE COMPLETE RECORD ON A PARCEL. AND YOU CAN CURRENTLY USE THE BSA SYSTEM TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE RECORDS. SO IF THIS IS INDEPENDENT, IS THERE DATA GOING TO THEN FEED INTO VESNA? I THINK THAT'S MY QUESTION TO CLARIFY. WELL THAT THAT COULD COMPATIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE CHALLENGES WOULD BE. THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE. AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL ON HOW THE TWO SYSTEMS WORK. AND SO IF THEY HAVE SOME ANSWERS TO THAT, THEY MIGHT BE BETTER TO TO ANSWER THAT. RIGHT. DID YOU GET THE QUESTION THERE? JOSH, I DID IT. CAN YOU JUST SUMMARIZE IT FOR ME VERY QUICKLY? JASON. THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF OUR DATA AS WE COLLECT IT CAN FEED INTO THEIR. YOU CALLED IT BE YOUR BSA. BSA SYSTEM. YEAH, YEAH. IN GENERAL WE HAVE A VARIETY OF WAYS WE CAN INTEGRATE WITH THE CITY'S EXISTING SYSTEMS WILL WORK DURING IMPLEMENTATION. ALL OF THE DATA IS YOURS, SO ANY TIME YOU WANTED OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO USE IT OR INTEGRATE IT IN WITH YOUR CURRENT PROCESSES IS TOTALLY UP TO YOU. WE WORK WITH OUR CITY'S IMPLEMENTATION TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE, AND BOTH FROM A USABILITY PERSPECTIVE AND A COST PERSPECTIVE. BUT YEAH, WE HAVE ALL OF THE ABILITIES TO TO DO THAT. AS I MENTIONED, YOU CAN LOG IN TO OUR PORTAL AT ANY TIME AND DOWNLOAD ALL OF YOUR DATA IF YOU WANTED AS WELL. SO WE HAVE A VARIETY OF WAYS FOR YOU TO ACCESS IT AND INTEGRATE WITH YOUR CURRENT SYSTEMS. OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION. IN ADDITION TO US HAVING SHORT TERM RENTALS, WE ALSO ARE CHALLENGED WITH HAVING ILLEGAL PAD SPLITS AND ROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU ALL SAID YOU, YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF PROPRIETARY METHOD THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GO VRBO, AIRBNB. DO YOU ALSO THEN APPLY THAT SAME PROPRIETARY METHOD TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER WEBSITES WHERE THESE ROOMING HOUSES ARE ADVERTISING, AND WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TURN THAT DATA OVER TO US TO HELP US THEN DEAL WITH THE COMPLIANCE ISSUES? I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL ARE FOCUSED ON THE TAX COLLECTION AND OCCUPATIONAL COLLECTION, BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM AND I SEE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR OTHER CONCERNS. YEAH, I THINK I THINK I GOT MOST OF THAT. SO GENERALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THESE TYPES OF TAXES, THERE'S THERE'S SORT OF A BUMP UP OR AN OVERLAP WITH REGULATORY ITEMS. SO GENERALLY THE TAXES, THE BEST PRACTICES ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THE TAXES THE TAX AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD BE RUNNING SOME FORM OF ILLEGAL BUSINESS. AND, YOU KNOW, A LA THE OLD IS SORT OF AL CAPONE REFERENCE, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING, YOU GET MORE IN TROUBLE FOR NOT PAYING YOUR TAX THAN WHAT YOU WERE DOING. SO WE SORT OF TACKLE THAT IN THE SAME APPROACH AND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IDENTIFYING ALL OF THESE TAX ISSUES, AND THEN WE HAVE A SORT OF REGULATORY PIECE THAT THEN CHECKS FOR ALL THE REGULATORY 
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ITEMS AND WORKS DIRECTLY WITH THE APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENT ON ANY REGULATION. SO IF I CAN GIVE AN EXAMPLE, SAY WE HAVE A BUSINESS THAT WE FIND THAT'S JUST A REGULAR BUSINESS THAT HAS NOT MAYBE PAID THEIR OCCUPATIONAL TAX. WELL, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT BUSINESS, IT IS MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S NOT AN ILLEGAL BUSINESS, BUT IT'S A BUSINESS THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA OF THE CITY. MAYBE YOU'VE GOT SOME ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESS TO CLOSE TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR ONE OF THE OTHER VARIETY OF ZONING OR OTHER REQUIREMENTS OR REGULATIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT WHERE BUSINESSES CAN LOCATE SOMEONE'S TRYING TO RUN A MANUFACTURING BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR OUT OF THEIR GARAGE. WE IDENTIFY ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, FIND THE ISSUE THAT'S POTENTIALLY THERE, AND THEN THROUGH SOME WORKFLOW ROUTING AND SOME OTHER ITEMS, GET THAT TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT AT THE CITY TO THEN IDENTIFY NEXT STEPS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN. PERHAPS THAT BUSINESS NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN. PERHAPS IT JUST NEEDS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SOME OTHER ITEM THAT IS THERE. BUT WE BASICALLY RUN THESE PROCESSES PARALLEL SO THAT WE'RE WE'RE FINDING THE TAX PROBLEM THAT THEN MAY LEAD TO A REGULATORY PROBLEM. AND THEN WE TACKLE THAT REGULATORY PROBLEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL I YIELD. COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. THEY WERE CENTERED AROUND SHORT TERM RENTALS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'VE ASKED FOR A PRESENTATION FOR NEXT MONTH REGARDING THAT. AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IN THAT PRESENTATION. AND I THINK THAT THE HDL COMPANIES WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT. SO YOU, WITH YOUR PROPRIETARY SYSTEM, WOULD NOT JUST BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE OR COLLECT FROM THOSE WHO SELF REGISTER, BUT YOU HAVE THE UNIVERSE. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE REVENUE YOU'RE GOING TO BECAUSE YOUR SERVICE IS THE TAX AND FEE ADMINISTRATION SERVICE. CORRECT. 
          SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL REPORTS ON THAT. AND THEN THE MARKETING, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THEN THE ENFORCEMENT. ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE. YOU TALKED ABOUT THESE FEES, OCCUPATIONAL TAXES AND THOSE THINGS. IS IT THAT YOU ALSO COLLECT PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE COLLECTS ITS OWN PROPERTY TAX FOR ITS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TAX? I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR THAT, JASON. DO YOU MIND? YES. HE'S ASKING, CAN WE ALSO COLLECT PROPERTY TAX? AS THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE DOES HAVE PORTION OF PROPERTY TAX THEY COLLECT INDEPENDENTLY. 
          YEAH. SO YOU HAVE A LOCAL PROPERTY TAX THAT YOU COLLECT AS WELL. DEFINITELY. ANY OF THESE ITEMS CAN BE SORT OF DOVETAILED ALONG. AND WE CAN ADD THOSE SERVICES ONTO TO THE PROPERTY TAX. OR WE WILL VALIDATE AND ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE FOR AN EXAMPLE THAT ARE DELINQUENT, WE CAN APPLY OUR COLLECTIONS WORK TO FINDING THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T PAYING, ESPECIALLY LIKE PERSONAL PROPERTY OR OTHER ITEMS. OUR PROCESS WORKS FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          TO FIND THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T PAYING BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY, OR JUST PERSONAL PROPERTY IF YOU HAVE THOSE TYPES OF PROPERTY TAXES. SO ANY OF THESE ITEMS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND DISCUSS THE SERVICES WITH THE WITH THE CITY DURING IMPLEMENTATION, WE CONSIDER THIS TO BE SORT OF AN UMBRELLA SERVICE, WHICH WE CALL OUR TAX AND FEE ADMINISTRATION, ALONG WITH THE COMPLIANCE. AND THEN EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL TAX TYPES, WHILE THEY'RE UNIQUE, CAN PLUG IN TO THAT AT THE CITY'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ELECTION. SO WE MAYBE WE YOU GIVE US THE HOTEL TAX AND THE OCCUPATION TAX, BUT YOU DECIDE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ALCOHOL OR VICE VERSA. YOU WANT EVERYTHING TO ROLL TOGETHER AND YOU SAY, WELL, CAN YOU ALSO DO THE PROPERTY TAX? WE CAN VERY EASILY PLUG IT, YOU KNOW, PLUG AND PLAY THESE THINGS IN TOGETHER. WE MAY WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO DO AN ANALYSIS. I MEAN ONE OF OUR KEY, OUR KEY MISSIONS, RIGHT, IS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING GIVES THE CITY AND ITS CONSTITUENTS VALUE, RIGHT. WE WANT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS PROGRAM, WE WANT FOR IT TO COST YOU LESS THAN WHAT IT WOULD HAVE COST OTHERWISE. WE WANTED TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE TO YOU THAN IT WOULD HAVE GENERATED OTHERWISE. AND WE WANT THE SERVICE LEVEL TO THE COMMUNITY TO BE EQUAL TO OR BETTER THAN WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OTHERWISE. SO WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL THINGS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING THAT FOR YOU AND GIVING YOU THAT VALUE. BUT IN GENERAL, YES, ALL OF THOSE THESE PREMISES CAN BE APPLIED TO PRETTY MUCH ANY TAX YOUR LOCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLECTING OKAY. AND TAXES AND FEES. SO IN TERMS OF THE UTILITIES WOULD YOU ALSO BE ABLE TO OR IS IT A PART OF THE SERVICE THAT YOU PROVIDE WHERE WHEN THERE ARE NEW ACCOUNTS THAT NEED TO ESTABLISH SERVICE, 
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WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO VIRTUALLY ELECTRONICALLY ACCEPT THOSE PAYMENTS SO THAT SERVICE CAN BE ESTABLISHED? YEAH. JASON, CAN YOU SURE. HE'S ASKING IN REGARDS TO UTILITY, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO REGISTER NEW. ACCOUNTS AS THEY COME ONLINE? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          YEAH. SO LIKE IF I, IF I JUST MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY. SO IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE A UTILITY BILLING, YOU'RE SAYING LIKE SO SOMEONE WANTS NEW SERVICES AT A NEW ADDRESS, YOU'RE INTERESTED IF WE CAN DO THAT ELECTRONICALLY ONLINE AND SET UP A NEW UTILITY SERVICE? YES. 
          INSTEAD OF SOMEONE HAVING TO WALK INTO, WE DEFINITELY CAN. WE DEFINITELY HAVE A UTILITY SERVICE AS PART OF THIS, WHICH WILL DO YOUR UTILITY BILLING AND COLLECTION AND TURN ONS, STARTS, STOPS, SHUTOFFS FOR NONPAYMENT. WE CAN FACILITATE OBVIOUSLY THE THE ACTION OF IT. 
          I THINK CITY STILL HAS TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, THE MANUAL PART OF THOSE THINGS. BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES ONLINE OVER THE PHONE. AND AS I SAID, THE OLD SCHOOL WAY OF VIA MAIL FOR ANY OF THE SERVICES THAT WE ELECT TO TO ROLL INTO THE PROGRAM. AND THEN FINALLY, HOW DOES HDL GET PAID? IS IT THAT YOU'RE COLLECTING ALL OF THESE DOLLARS AND THEN YOU'RE TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS TO THE CITY AND YOU TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE? OR WHAT IS THE PAY STRUCTURE FOR THE SERVICES? YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. SO GENERALLY FOR OUR ADMINISTRATION PROGRAMS, THERE'S A FLAT FEE PER ACCOUNT THAT'S UNDER MANAGEMENT. AND SO IF YOU HAVE TEN HOTELS YOU KNOW, FOR AN EXAMPLE IN THE CITY, THEN OUR HOTEL TAX ADMINISTRATION IS TEN HOTELS. TIMES LIKE A CERTAIN FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT COVERS EVERYTHING. THERE'S NO SORT OF HIDDEN FEES OR COSTS OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, AS I SAID, LIKE REPORTING AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS IS ALL INCLUDED. SO YOU GET JUST A FLAT FEE FOR THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS UNDER MANAGEMENT FOR THE DISCOVERY AND THE AUDIT SERVICES, THE COMPLIANCE STUFF. WE DO A REVENUE SHARE. SO IF WE FIND YOU, YOU KNOW, SORT OF $1 MILLION THAT YOU WEREN'T GETTING BEFORE, WE TAKE A REVENUE SHARE WITH YOU ONE TIME. SO IF WE COLLECT THAT MILLION DOLLARS, WE TAKE A PIECE OF IT AND SEND YOU THE REST, AND THEN YOUR WHOLE AND YOU KEEP ALL THE MONEY GOING FORWARD. SO THAT ONLY APPLIES TO MONEY THAT YOU WERE NOT GETTING BEFORE OR THAT WASN'T PART OF THE INITIAL BATCH. RIGHT. SO AS I GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF THE TEN HOTELS, ANY MONEY THOSE TEN HOTEL PAYS IS ALL YOURS, MINUS OUR SMALL FLAT FEE FOR FOR EACH HOTEL. BUT IF I FIND SOMEHOW, I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE MORE PROBABLY LIKELY IN THE OCCUPATIONAL TAX THAN IT WOULD IN THE HOTEL TAX. BUT IF I WERE TO SOMEHOW FIND A HOTEL IN THE CITY THAT YOU NEVER KNEW ABOUT, HAS NEVER PAID YOU TAXES, AND THEN WE GO BACK AND AUDIT THEM AND FIGURE OUT THEY OWE YOU, YOU KNOW, $1 MILLION IN BACK TAX LIABILITY AND PENALTIES AND INTEREST AND ALL OF THAT. WE COLLECT THAT FROM THEM, AND THEN WE JUST TAKE A REVENUE SHARE FOR THAT, THAT ONE TIME. AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, YOU KEEP ALL THE MONEY. AND NOW YOU JUST HAVE 11 HOTELS TIMES THE WHATEVER RATE. AND THAT PERCENTAGE THAT YOU KEEP. IS THAT A STANDARD PERCENTAGE OR IS THAT NEGOTIATED PER MUNICIPALITY OR PER CLIENT. HE'S ASKING, IS IT A STANDARD CONTINGENT FEE OR IS IT NEGOTIATED INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH MUNICIPALITY? YEAH. SO IT'S STANDARD, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE A SORT OF NEGOTIATION THAT TAKES PLACE DEPENDING ON THE VOLUME AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TAXES. RIGHT. SO AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOUR IF YOUR TAX WAS EVERYBODY PAID $50, I COULDN'T DO IT FOR 10%. RIGHT? I MEAN I WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE SOMETHING MORE THAN, THAN THAT FOR THAT SPECIFIC VOLUME. SO WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE NEGOTIATION THAT'S BASED ON VOLUME, THE DOLLAR VALUE UNDER MANAGEMENT, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. BUT GENERALLY IT'S AROUND 35 OR 40% ONE TIME FOR, FOR COLLECTION OF OF NEW REVENUE THAT YOU DIDN'T THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT BEFORE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. BETWEEN BETWEEN 25 AND 40%. SORRY. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO WHAT HE SAID. WE WORK WITH THE CITY OF HAPEVILLE AND COLLEGE PARK, AND WE DID SOME OF THIS DISCOVERY WORK WITH THEIR HOTELS. IN SOME OF OUR AUDITS, WE UNCOVERED THE FACT THAT DELTA WAS RENTING AN ENTIRE HOTEL FOR THEIR TRAINING PURPOSES AND FOR STAFF TO COME IN. THEY WORKED OUT A DEAL WITH THE HOTEL MANAGEMENT THAT, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO RENT THE ENTIRE HOTEL FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. AND THEY THOUGHT THAT QUALIFIED THEM FOR LONG TERM, 
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WHICH IT DID NOT, BECAUSE THEY HAD DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING IN EVERY FEW DAYS TO EVERY FEW WEEKS RATHER THAN MORE THAN 30 DAYS. AND IN THE PROCESS OF UNCOVERING THIS, THIS HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. IT CAME TO THE WE CAME TO THE REALIZATION AND TOOK IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7 TO 8 FIGURES IS PROBABLY WHERE THE LAWSUIT'S GOING TO END UP, BUT WE'LL SEE. SO WE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE ABLE TO BRING BRING THAT TO THEIR ATTENTION OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. GENERALLY OUR SERVICES AS I MENTIONED, WE REALLY DO STRIVE HARD TO HIT THOSE KIND OF THREE FACTORS. YOU KNOW, REDUCING COSTS, INCREASING REVENUE AND INCREASING LEVEL OF SERVICE GENERALLY FOR THE MOST PART ACROSS THE BOARD, FOR ALL OF OUR CLIENTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, THE THE SORT OF AMOUNT OF NEW MONEY THAT WE FIND EXCEEDS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU PAY US FOR THE SERVICES, REGARDLESS OF THE OF THE SORT OF REVENUE SHARE OR EVEN WITHOUT THAT. AND SO WE'RE TYPICALLY ABLE TO IN TERMS OF NET BENEFIT TO THE CITY, YOU'LL SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU END UP MAKING MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WAS PAID TO US OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. SO IN SOME SENSE, LIKE IN THAT EXAMPLE THAT HE GAVE WITH COLLEGE PARK, WITH THE REVENUE THAT WE FIND, EVEN THE FLAT FEE SERVICES END UP SORT OF BECOMING SELF-FUNDED OR, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE FREE BECAUSE WE FOUND MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE CHARGED YOU. RIGHT. THANK YOU, I YIELD. YOU HAVE COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL AND THEN COUNCILMAN FREELY. SURE. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE FOR THE CITY MANAGER. AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THE FIRST PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT HAVE WE KIND OF BEEN ABLE TO DO AN ASSESSMENT AND MAYBE EVEN HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON HOW BIG OR PAINFUL THIS PROBLEM IS FOR THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE TODAY? NO, NO WE HAVEN'T. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO DO BECAUSE IF WE IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, WE WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE PROBLEM. WELL, YOU COULD STILL HAVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION ONCE YOU DETERMINE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. BUT. WELL, WE LITERALLY ARE RELYING ON THE HONOR SYSTEM IN MANY OF THOSE PROCESSES. AND SO WE WE BASICALLY TRUST FOLKS. BUT EVERY SO OFTEN THERE'S ANECDOTES THAT COME UP THAT WE, WE, WE DIDN'T RUN AND HAVE TO TROUBLESHOOT. THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING THE WAY IT SHOULD. GOT IT FOR THE HD, DL COMPANY. WHAT'S THE THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT TERM, AND HOW QUICKLY WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SEE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT? OR JUST HOW QUICKLY CAN THIS GET IMPLEMENTED. AND WE SEE. YEAH, RETURN ON INVESTMENT. YEAH. GENERALLY OUR CONTRACT TERMS ARE THREE YEARS WITH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES TWO ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS. WE'RE ABLE TO DO SHORTER ONES OR LONGER ONES. IT'S REALLY KIND OF FLEXIBLE. WE REALLY WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND WHATEVER THEY'RE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH. AND WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IN TERMS OF OUR IMPLEMENTATION TAKES AROUND 60 DAYS OR SO FOR US TO SORT OF TRANSITION OPERATIONS OVER BEFORE WE CAN REALLY KIND OF GET STARTED WITH OUR PROGRAM TO CONVERT YOUR DATA AND TO KIND OF NOTIFY ALL THE TAXPAYERS AND PUT THE WEBSITE UP, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 60 DAYS FOR US. AFTER THAT, CERTAINLY YOU'LL START SEEING THE SOME OF THE ANCILLARY VALUES, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE, THE EASE AND ABILITY AND THE REPORTING AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS WILL WILL BE CLEAR VERY QUICKLY IN TERMS OF. HE SHOULD BE BACK IN ONE MOMENT. AND WHILE HE'S COMING BACK, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ANSWER THIS LAST QUESTION, WHICH IS HOW DO YOU ENSURE LOCAL BUSINESSES FEEL SUPPORTED VERSUS PENALIZED? BECAUSE I'M SURE OR I WOULD THINK IN THE BEGINNING, THIS CAUSES A BIG RUCKUS FOR EVEN OUR BUSINESSES HERE TO NOT HAVE HEARD FROM US AND THEN TO HEAR FROM US. AND IN A WAY THAT IS KIND OF ALMOST DEMANDING MONEY. SO IN PREPARATION OF THAT, LIKE HOW WOULD WE APPROACH THAT? OR WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN AS SOME BEST PRACTICES OR STRATEGIES? SURE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN APPROACH IT. WE, OF COURSE, WILL WORK WITH YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BEST WAY FOR US TO REACH OUT. AND AND I APOLOGIZE. I THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE EITHER THE STORM BUT MY 
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PHONE RESET. SO IT SHOULD BE BACK IN A SECOND. OCCASIONALLY SOME SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, WE DON'T. WE WANT TO LOOK AT A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. MAYBE WE WANT TO DO AMNESTY FOR A CERTAIN GROUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT MOST OF THE TIME WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCOVER IS PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT THAT ARE OPERATING HERE WITHIN THE CITY THAT DON'T HAVE A LICENSE, THAT SHOULD, THAT DON'T KNOW BETTER, THAT COULD BE PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S CONTRACTORS COMING AS FAR AS ALABAMA OR FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS NEARBY, WHETHER IT'S INSURANCE, TAXES, YOU'VE GOT LAWN SERVICES, YOU'VE GOT AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE AIRBNB, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW. AND A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO IS THE EDUCATION PIECE. WE TAKE THAT ON FOR YOU. SO I'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATING AND GETTING THE WORD OUT, AND HOW DO WE ACTUALLY SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH EVERYONE AHEAD OF TIME. IT'S OUR JOB, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE HOTELS, WHETHER IT'S YOUR YOUR RESTAURANTS, YOUR YOUR ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENTS OR EVEN JUST THESE BUSINESSES, WE TYPICALLY HAVE A33 STEP PROCESS WHEN WE NOTIFY SOMEONE. THE FIRST IS JUST A LETTER THAT SAYS, WE THINK MAYBE YOU ARE OPERATING A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. THESE ARE THE STEPS YOU CAN DO TO REGISTER. WE WELCOME THEM TO COME ON, CALL US, TALK TO US. WE'LL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO THEM IN THE EVENT THEY DON'T RESPOND AND WE KNOW. THEN WE SEND A SECOND LETTER THAT SAYS, WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE OPERATING AND DOING THIS. PLEASE REGISTER HERE. THE PROPER STEPS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THEN IF THERE'S STILL NO RESPONSE, THE THIRD STEP IS TYPICALLY WE LET YOU ALL KNOW, WELL THIS IS HERE. HERE ARE THE STUBBORN ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND THAT THEIR LETTER SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WE WILL TAKE ACTION. IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DON'T COME INTO COMPLIANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. LET ME SEE COUNCILMEMBER FRIEDSON. THANKS. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. THIS SOUNDS REALLY VERY PROMISING TO ME. AND I KNOW THEY'VE GONE OFF NOW, BUT I THINK WE MET MISS JACKSON A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO. WE'RE DOING A CITY MANAGER SEARCH. RECALL HER NAME QUESTION POSSIBLY FOR THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS AS FOR YOU, IS THERE A SENSE OF THE IMPACT ON CITY STAFFING? IT FEELS LIKE THESE ARE SERVICES THAT WOULD CURRENTLY BE DONE BY POTENTIALLY MULTIPLE PEOPLE. SO DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF THAT, MR. JONES, OR DO YOU HAVE A SENSE IN GENERAL, WHAT KIND OF HUMAN RESOURCES IMPACT IT HAS? WELL, I CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THAT A LOT OF THESE ACTIVITIES ARE NOT BEING DONE BY ONE ONE STAFF PERSON. SO I KNOW PARTICULARLY WITH HOTEL AND LIQUOR LICENSES, THAT'S HANDLING BEING HANDLED OUT OF FINANCE. AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO USUALLY WORKS ON THAT HAS BEEN UNDER AUDITS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. SO THAT WORK IS LITERALLY WE WE HAVE A LIST OF FOLKS, AND EVERY SO OFTEN WE'LL HAVE A CHALLENGE THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO GET A LITTLE DETAILED IN IT, AND WE'LL FIND OUT THAT CERTAIN THINGS HAVE BEEN PAID FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND YOU WONDER, LIKE, HOW DID IT GO THIS FAR? AND THEN WE WIND UP HAVING TO DO SOME TYPE OF PAYMENT PLAN OR SOMETHING TO GET THEM CURRENT. 
          AND SO SOME TYPE OF CONSISTENT MESSAGING AND CONSISTENT RIGOR TO MAKING SURE THINGS ARE PAID APPROPRIATELY, I THINK IS HELPFUL NOT ONLY JUST FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO FOR THE BUSINESS, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESSES, CONSISTENCY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A INFREQUENT, HIGH VALUE. YOU NEED TO PAY THIS NUMBER ALL OF A SUDDEN. SO SO THERE'S THAT. 
          BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT IN OTHER CASES THE DEPARTMENT HANDLES ITS OWN APPROACH. CUSTOMER CARE HAS ITS OWN APPROACH. WE WE DON'T HAVE A CONSISTENT MESSAGE, WHICH ALSO CONFUSES RATEPAYERS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY PARTICIPATE IN MULTIPLE AREAS OF THE CITY. SO THAT MESSAGING, THAT APPROACH BEING CONSISTENT WOULD GO A LONG WAY. OKAY. AND I GUESS I WAS I WAS ASKING SOMETHING A LITTLE VARIATION ON THAT. SO IT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, OF COURSE, THIS WOULD BE PERHAPS A MORE EFFICIENT APPROACH. ARE YOU SEEING IT AS SUPPLEMENTING THE 
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EXISTING STAFF RESOURCES THAT THAT ALL OF THESE COLLECTIONS REQUIRE, OR IS IT REPLACING SUPPLEMENTING? OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN A QUESTION I GUESS MAYBE FOR MR. DAVIS, IF WE'RE BACK ONLINE, I MEAN, ALL OF THIS SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DEALING WITH ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF DATA AND INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY BE USING SOME FORM OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT. IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF DATA HERE AND A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOW THAT DATA IS USED. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH SORT OF INFORMATION SECURITY, DATA PROTECTION, ANY SORT OF ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING? AND I KNOW THAT'S A BROAD QUESTION, SO I DON'T NEED A THESIS. BUT SURE. JOSH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. BUT I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR THE FULL QUESTION. YEP. I'LL PASS IT ON. PART OF THE QUESTION IS THE AMOUNT OF DATA THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE USE SOME SORT OF AI, PERHAPS NOT. BUT WHAT IS WHAT ARE OUR DATA SECURITY PRACTICES IN GENERAL AND HOW TO HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE MAKE US IN JUST A CITY, STAY IN CONTROL OF THE DATA? YEAH, WE DON'T USE ANY AI OR EXPOSE ANY OF THE TAXPAYER DATA OUTSIDE OF OF OUR SECURE ENVIRONMENT. WE ALSO DON'T COMMINGLE THE DATA. SO EACH OF OUR CLIENTS IS IN THEIR OWN SECURE DATABASE. SO WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A BIG SYSTEM LIKE MAYBE TYLER OR SOME OF THE OTHER PROVIDERS THAT YOU'RE LOGGING INTO, AND THEN YOU'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL WHEEL THERE. ALL OF OUR CLIENTS ARE KEPT ISOLATED IN THEIR OWN DATABASE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. WE ALSO HOST ALL OF OUR DATA IN THE CLOUD ON THE MICROSOFT AZURE PLATFORM. AND DUE TO THE NATURE OF OUR SERVICE AND THE FACT THAT WE ONLY WORK FOR GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, WE ARE IN THE GOVERNMENT PLATFORM FOR MICROSOFT AZURE. SO WE HAVE JUST A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EXTRA LAYERS OF SECURITY ON TOP OF THAT. BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS AND THE WORK THAT WE DO, THERE'S A VARIETY OF OTHER PROTOCOLS AND THINGS THAT WE CERTAINLY CAN SHARE WITH THE CITY IN TERMS OF ALL THE TECHNICAL DETAILS. BUT YEAH, ALL THE DATA IS KEPT ISOLATED AND IN A SECURED ENVIRONMENT, ACCESS CONTROLLED BOTH FROM A VIEW AND REWRITE PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS. YES, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE HAVE A RESIDENT THAT SERVES ON OUR MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION BOARD, AND IF OUR NEXT ITEM COULD BE ITEMS NUMBER 16 AND 17. DON'T YOU SERVE ON THAT BOARD? YEAH. AND IT IS 10:44 P.M. AT THIS TIME. SO IF WE COULD JUST MOVE THAT NEXT ITEM. I JUST LIKE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE SHE IS A RESIDENT, SHE DOES SERVE ON THAT BOARD. SO AFTER THIS AGENDA ITEM, CAN WE MOVE ITEM NUMBER 16 AND 17 NEXT. I'M SORRY. OH WE CAN MOVE IT. AND WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF STAFF? I MEAN WE JUST. NO, I'M SPANISH AND ALSO SAID YOU NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. SIR. SIR ARE YOU DO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN. NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I THINK ALL THIS SOUNDS WONDERFUL AND I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL PROBABLY EMAIL THOSE TO YOU. THANK YOU. OR THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM MAYOR. THE CITY MANAGER WANTED US TO CONSIDER ADVISING ON NEXT STEPS FOR HIM. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. IF I CAN GET SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, FURTHER DISCUSSIONS TO WITH THIS COMPANY TO PROVIDE A SCOPE OF WORK, AND I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADVISE YOU TO SCOPE OUT A POTENTIAL. A POTENTIAL SCOPE OF WORK WITH HDL COMPANIES, INCLUDING BUDGET IMPACT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YES. GO. YES. I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AND SAY THAT WE'VE HAD A 
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UTILITY PRESENTATION TONIGHT, SO I DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN THE BUDGET IMPACT, BECAUSE WE HAD A UTILITY PRESENTATION TONIGHT THAT SORT OF KIND OF DISCUSSED US PASSING ON THAT COST TO OUR RESIDENTS. SO I AM CONCERNED WITH WHAT IS POSSIBLY GOING TO COME BACK WITHOUT US THINKING ABOUT THIS UTILITY. WE JUST I MEAN, MAYBE LESS THAN MAYBE A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY RAISING UTILITY RATES. SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE BUDGET IMPACT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AND STATE. WE JUST HAD A PRESENTATION ABOUT PASSING ON THAT COST TO RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE IS SOME ROI AND WE CAN GET SOME MONEY BACK. AND SO THAT DOES HELP TO OFFSET OVERALL COST. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OF COURSE, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HEMMINGS SUGGESTED IS A SCOPE OF WORK, BUT POSSIBLY JUST SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WOULD BE MAKING A DECISION ON, TO SEE THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR TWO OTHER SIMILAR COMPANIES, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COMPARE THEIR SERVICES APPLES TO APPLES, OR EVEN APPLES TO ORANGES. JUST COMPARE THOSE THOSE QUOTES. OKAY, OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR WE'RE GOING TO GO 
          [Items IV.16. & IV.17. ]
TO ITEM 16 AND ITEM 17. SO COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON VENDOR MULLINER MELON. 
          SORRY PRO PRO PRO STATIC TACTICS I THINK THIS IS A FIREWORKS RIGHT OKAY. YES. FROM ITB 2025 TO 19 I MEAN 1888 FOR THE FIRST YEAR OPTION TO REVIEW THE 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS, NOT TO EXCEED 2000 $25,075 FUNDING SOURCE 1007522.521.12-26. PRIOR CONTRACT IS ATTACHED, WHICH HAS A RENEWAL OPTION AND ACTION MAY BE TAKEN. YES. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE. WHERE. WHERE IS IT? ITEM NUMBER 16. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VENDOR CONTRACT FOR MYRNA MERLIN. PRO PRO PRO? I CAN'T SAY THAT WORD. 
          PYROTECHNICS AND PYROTECHNICS. YES. ON ITV 2020 5-1888 FOR THE FIRST YEAR. OPTION TO RENEW THE 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS SECOND SECOND. I. THOSE OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. I'D LIKE TO APPROVE EAST POINT MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION AS THE SOLE SOURCE VENDOR FOR THE FOR FOR THE ANNUAL 4TH OF JULY EVENT, NOT TO EXCEED $85,000. 
          SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. I DID WANT TO BRING UP SOMETHING. I SPOKE WITH YOU ABOUT IT. SO I'VE BEEN DOING THE 4TH OF JULY FOR SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS AND I, I LOVE PUTTING ON EVENTS FOR THE CITY. I DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF IT. IT'S A SERVICE THING. IF YOU WANT HELP WITH JUNETEENTH, WE CAN PARTNER EPMS. IT WILL NOT BE ALL MY IDEAS. AS A WHITE LATINA WOMAN. I AM NOT GOING TO DO THAT. BUT I DO PARTNER WITH A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS IN EAST POINT, IN COLLEGE PARK, AND IN HAPEVILLE, AND I'M OKAY WITH HELPING OUT IN ANY WAY. IF YOU GUYS WANT, I CAN PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION FOR YOU BECAUSE I HAVE THE BANDWIDTH. I WORK AT WOODWARD, I HAVE A LOT OF TEENAGERS THAT VOLUNTEER FOR SERVICE HOURS AND HELP, SO I'M OKAY WITH DOING THAT TOO, IF YOU ALL NEED ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM MAYOR. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH THE EAST POINT MAIN STREET ASSOCIATION TO DESIGN THE JUNETEENTH EVENT. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN 
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FAVOR? I'M SORRY. SORRY. DISCUSSION. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. ARE WE DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH EPMS DEFINITIVELY, OR TO HAVE DISCUSSION TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY, EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY, AND OR YOU WANT TO DO TO EXECUTE THE EVENT? I WOULD I WOULD PREFER AN EXPLORATORY DISCUSSION INITIALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK. YES, THAT'S MY MOTION. THE WITHDRAW THE PERSON. OH NO, THAT WAS MY MOTION WAS TO EXPLORE, TO WORK WITH THE TO PRESENT A PLAN FOR THE JUNETEENTH EVENT. MADAM CITY CLERK, MY MOTION WAS CLOSE. CAN YOU READ BACK THE MOTION? MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          EXCUSE ME. MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH EPM. S AND THEN THAT'S WHEN Y'ALL HAD STARTED. I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST PART, I SAID, AND THAT'S WHEN Y'ALL STARTED VENTURING OFF. YES, IT IS TO EXPLORE THE OPTION OF EAST POINT MAIN STREET SOCIETY DELIVERING THE JUNETEENTH EVENT. OKAY, IT'S EXPLORATORY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? YES. 
          YES. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND I KNOW WE ARE LOOKING AT EPI MSA POSSIBLY DOING THE JUNETEENTH EVENT, BUT LET US NOT ALSO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T FORGET CHRIS WAYNE HERE IN HERE WITH THE CITY BECAUSE HE PUTS ON VERY NICE AND COST CONSCIOUS EVENTS AS WELL. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL, I YIELD. FRANKLY, HE WAS GOING TO BE MY LEAD IN THIS WORKING WITH THEM. SO YEAH, I WOULD LOVE THAT. LIKE MORE PEOPLE PARTNERING TOGETHER WOULD BE GREAT. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NO. 
          [IV.11. Council Discussion and Possible Action on City of Hapeville Intergovernmental Wholesale Water Service Contract Under the Proposed Agreement, the City of Hapeville Would Continue Purchasing Wholesale Water at an Increased a Rate (Increase of 35 Cents) of $3.85 Per 1,000 Gallons, with a Contract Cap Not to Exceed 104 Million Gallons (MG) Per Month (Action May be Taken)]
OKAY, SO WE'RE ON NUMBER 11 FOR UNDER UNDER NEW AGENDA COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CITY OF HATE BILL. INTERGOVERNMENTAL WHOLESALE WATER SERVICE CONTRACT. UNDER THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT, THE CITY OF HAYSVILLE WOULD CONTINUE PURCHASING WHOLESALE WATER AND AN INCREASE AT AN INCREASED RATE INCREASE OF $0.35 OF $3.85 PER 1000 GALLONS, WITH A CONTRACT CAP NOT TO EXCEED 104 MILLION GALLONS GALLONS PER MONTH. ACTION TO BE TAKEN. MOTION. YES. OH, YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT IT. YEAH. YES, WE CAN. WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO PUT IT ON CONSENT OR YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. IT'S ONLY A TWO YEAR CONTRACT. I. WE CAN PUT IT ON CONSENT TO MOVE IT TO THE REGULAR MEETING ON APRIL 6TH. 
          IS THAT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I. I CHIMED IN JUST TO ASK. SOME OF THESE HAVE ACTION TO BE TAKEN. 
          SOME OF THEM PROVIDE JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR THERE TO BE DISCUSSION. SO BECAUSE WE'RE IN A WORK SESSION, I JUST I GUESS NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE WILL OF THIS BODY IS TO DISCUSS EACH OF THESE OR SHOULD WE GO THROUGH, AS WE'VE DONE IN OTHER MEETINGS, TO PUT ON CONSENT FOR YOUR ACTUAL VOTING MEETING? GRANTED, YOU DON'T HAVE A VOTING MEETING NEXT NEXT WEEK. 
          IT'S NOT UNTIL APRIL. SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT REQUIRE THIS BODY'S DECISION BEFORE APRIL, THANK YOU, THEN ACTION WILL NEED TO BE TAKEN TONIGHT. SO SO SO CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES, GIVEN THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MARCH MEETING, CAN I MAKE I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM TAKING ACTION ON THESE ITEMS TONIGHT. AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY CLERK, THE CITY STAFF AND THE 
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CITY LEADERSHIP PULLED THE TIME SENSITIVE ITEMS FOR OUR CONSIDERATION SUCH THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACT BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE QUORUM AT OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          SECOND. ISN'T THAT YOUR MOTION? THERE'S A MOTION DISCUSSION. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. YES. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 11? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY OF FAYETTEVILLE INTERGOVERNMENTAL WHOLESALE WATER SERVICE CONTRACT. UNDER THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT, THE CITY OF HAYSVILLE WOULD CONTINUE PURCHASING WHOLESALE WATER AT THE INCREASED RATE INCREASE OF $0.35 AT $3.85 PER 1000 GALLONS, WITH A CAP NOT TO EXCEED 104 MILLION GALLONS. SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? 
          [IV.12. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor Enercon Services, LLC, Previously Known and Approved as Power Centric Solution on April 18, 2022, from RFQ 2022-1779, for a Systems Study of the Distribution System, and the Termination of Current Power Centric Solution Contract Not to Exceed $100,000.00. CIP Funding]
THE AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 12. COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND APPROVE COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF VENDOR INCREASE IN CHRISTIAN SERVICES, LLC, PREVIOUSLY KNOWN IN APPROVED AS POWERS CENTRIC SOLUTION ON APRIL 18TH, 2022 FROM RFQ 2022-1779 FOR THE SYSTEM STUDY IN DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS NOT TO EXCEED 100,000 CIP FROM THE CIP FUND. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE VENDOR. INTERCOM. INTERCOM. INTERCOM. SERVICES. SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT, AND I'M IN FOR A QUESTION. JUST MADAM MAYOR. COUNCILWOMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M BLANKING ON YOUR NAME BECAUSE IT'S 11:00 AT NIGHT. THOMAS MANGRUM, MR. MANGRUM AND MR. LAWRENCE, I SENT SOME QUESTIONS IN AND HAD A CLARIFYING CONCERN ABOUT THIS CONTRACT. SO MY CONCERN IS SIMPLY THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THIS POWER CONTRACT. IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, THERE WAS NOTHING LINKING POWER CENTRIC TO IN SARON. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING CONTRACT TO POWER CENTRIC. AND NOW THERE IS THIS NEW PURCHASE SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US FOR REVIEW. BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT YOU ARE TERMINATING THE PRIOR CONTRACTS WITH POWER CENTRIC SO THAT WE CAN ENTER INTO THE NEW CONTRACT WITHIN SARON. SO IS THAT ISSUE RESOLVED? YES, COUNCILWOMAN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD SEE IT ON YOU ALL'S AGENDA RIGHT NOW, WHEREAS WE'VE ADDED THE TERMINATION TO POWER CENTER CONTRACT. AND HAVE ATTACHED THE NEW CONTRACT FOR INTERCOM. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE ACTION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT. NOT ONLY ARE WE ASKING FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE NEW CONTRACT, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE TERMINATION OF THE POWER CENTRIC CONTRACT AS WELL. SO HOLD ON. YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE DID GET THE CONTRACT? YES, MA'AM. THE CONTRACT WAS ADDED. IT WAS ADDED LATE, BUT IT WAS ADDED BY THE CITY CLERK THIS EVENING. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT I'M OFFLINE AND SO I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. SO COULD BE. CAN WE GET AN EMAIL TO US? YES, I CAN EMAIL IT TO YOU. AND THEN ALSO I HAD A SUBSEQUENT QUESTION AND I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER, BUT THE PURCHASING SERVICE AGREEMENT LISTED THAT IT WOULD OPERATE UNDER TENNESSEE LAW. I ASSUME THAT THIS CONTRACT THAT'S ABOUT TO BE FORWARDED TO US IS OUR STANDARD CITY CONTRACT, WHICH WOULD THEN FALL UNDER GEORGIA LAW. AND WHATEVER WAS IN THAT PURCHASE SERVICE AGREEMENT AROUND TENNESSEE LAW WOULD NOT APPLY TO THIS CONTRACT. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. IF AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THE. CONTRACT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND THIS IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN PUT, AS YOU STATED, ON OUR STANDARD MSA 
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MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT, SO THAT IT HAS ALL OF THE TERMS IN IT THAT WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH OCDA 36 6013 AND I'M TRYING TO DOWNLOAD IT AS A PDF SO I CAN SEND IT TO YOU. THANK YOU. IN THE INTERIM, MADAM. MADAM MAYOR, THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ITEM AROUND PIKE ELECTRIC. COULD WE DISCUSS THAT ITEM WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BRING FORTH THE CONTRACT THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE? COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER'S IN FOR A QUESTION. SORRY. OH, NO. ACTUALLY, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. I'M SORRY, NUMBER 12. 
          SO I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. SO ITEM NUMBER 13, ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON FROM ITEM NUMBER 12 UNTIL THEY FIND THEIR. WE'RE JUST TABLING ITEM 12 UNTIL THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN PROVIDE US WITH THE CONTRACT. OKAY. TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT WITH POWER CENTRIC AND TO INITIATE THE CONTRACT WITH IN. HOW DO YOU SAY IT, MR. MANGRUM? INTERCOM PRONUNCIATION IS NOT MY BEST SKILL SET. THANK YOU. THANKS. SO, ITEM NUMBER 13 COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE 
          [IV.13. Council Discussion and Possible Action of Change Order, in the Amount of $310,000, for Pike Electric. the Purpose of This Change Order is to Cover Both Outstanding and Future Invoices for the Remainder of Fiscal Year 2026 for Work Completed by Pike Electric (Action May be Taken)]
ACTION OF A CHANGE ORDER IN THE AMOUNT OF $310,000 FOR PIKE ELECTRIC. ELECTRIC IN. THE PURPOSE OF THIS CHANGE ORDER IS TO COVER BOTH OUTSTANDING AND FUTURE INVOICES FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 FOR WORK COMPLETED BY PIKE ELECTRIC ACTION MAY BE TAKEN. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR POSSIBLE FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PIKE ELECTRIC ITEM SECOND. DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. SO DISCUSSION OFF OF THE FLOOR. YEAH. FOR 13. COUNCIL COMING. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. 
          SO I KNOW WE'RE AT $310,000. THAT'S THE MAX AMOUNT CORRECT. FOR I MEAN FOR THIS CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S FOR OUTSTANDING AND FUTURE INVOICES DO POINT OF ORDER. WE'RE JUST IN THE DISCUSSION TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. WE'RE NOT WE HAVEN'T PASSED THAT MOTION YET TO EVEN TALK ABOUT THE. WE DID. NO YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. ALL IN FAVOR? YES. GREAT. OKAY. I OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE IT. OKAY. SO. ALRIGHT, HERE WE GO. THANK YOU. SO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE FOR $310,000 TO COVER BOTH OUTSTANDING AND FUTURE INVOICES. HOW MUCH MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BY PIKE ELECTRIC. THIS IS ONGOING GRID HARDENING PROJECT THAT'S TAKING OVERHEAD LINES, TAKING THEM UNDERGROUND ON BEN HILL ROAD. THIS SHOULD THIS AMOUNT WILL COVER THE THE REST OF OUR INVOICES INTO FY 27 TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT. OKAY. SO WITH THE THE REMAINING OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, IT IS SPECIFIC TO THE $310,000, CORRECT? YES. THAT SHOULD THREE. WELL, WE REACHED THE $750,000 MARK AS OF TODAY. SO ONCE THIS SHOULD COVER US FOR THE REMAINDER. TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING ELSE. YES. FOR THE REMAINDER. OKAY. THAT WAS WHAT I NEED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. I YIELD, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER AND COUNCILWOMAN HEMMING. YES. THANK YOU. SO. SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE GRID HARDENING PROJECT? YEAH, THIS IS FOR THE GRID HARDENING PROJECT. THE THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADE. AS YOU WELL KNOW, WE ALSO GOING THROUGH A INFRASTRUCTURE INSPECTION. SO PACKAGE ASSISTING US WITH THAT AS WELL. AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE INSPECTION THAT WHAT WILL BE HAPPENING. CHANGING OF UTILITY POLES ALONG WITH OUR STAFF. SO IT'S IT'S IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS INTO UPGRADING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OKAY. AND SO IS THAT GOING TO HELP WITH THE LOAD ON THE LINES. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SOME FIRES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THAT GOING TO HELP WITH WITH THOSE ISSUES. THE FIRST GROUP, THE FIRST NUMBER 12, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT. AND THAT'S OUR SYSTEM STUDY THAT WOULD THAT PART OF THE PROJECT, THAT PART OF IT WILL HELP WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE RELIABILITY OF IT. OKAY. BECAUSE IN THE EVENT THAT IT HELPS US, IT DIRECTS US WHERE TO PUT EQUIPMENT AT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE SMART SWITCHES ON ON THE YARD, BUT WHAT TO PUT THEM IN THE SYSTEM WILL GUIDE US ON DOING THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN HEMMING. YES, MR. MAJOR AND MR. LAWRENCE, MY 
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CONCERN WITH THIS ITEM IS THAT WE ONLY RECEIVED A MEMO. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE AN ACTUAL, LIKE, CHANGE ORDER DOCUMENT. I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH JUST THE MEMO TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT. SO DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU WANTED TO OFFER FOR OUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT? I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO GIVE MR. LAWRENCE ON THAT BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE OF A CHANGE ORDER DOCUMENT. SO ONCE I ONCE IT COME ACROSS MY DESK, I WOULD BE SURE TO COMPLETE IT AND HAVE IT AVAILABLE AND HAVE IT ATTACHED AS SOON AS I COMPLETE IT. MR. LAWRENCE, IS THERE AN OFFICIAL LIKE WHAT IS THE CITY'S PROCESS FOR CHANGE ORDERS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND NORMALLY, COUNCILWOMAN, THEY WOULD SUBMIT THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE ORDER, WHICH IS IN THIS CASE THE PAST DUE INVOICES. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S WHAT'S ATTACHED RIGHT NOW. AND THEY WOULD SHOW THE DIFFERENCE OF WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY YOU ALL TO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR NOW THROUGH THOSE INVOICES. OKAY. IF WE I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS TIME SENSITIVE. SINCE THESE INVOICES ARE PAST DUE, WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THOSE INVOICES OR. IF YOU COULD EMAIL THEM TO US BEFORE THE BEFORE YOU LEAVE, THEN WE COULD TABLE THIS SO THAT WE COULD CONSIDER IT FOR THIS EVENING. AT LEAST IT WOULD FOR ME TO CONSIDER IT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FULFILLING THE CONTRACT. YOU REQUESTED ME TO GET THEM TO YOU TONIGHT BEFORE WE LEAVE. DO YOU HAVE THEM ACCESSIBLE? I WOULD HAVE TO CALL MY OFFICE MANAGER. OH, OKAY. SHE. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT. IS THERE A TIME SENSITIVITY AROUND THIS ITEM? YES, IT IS, BECAUSE FOR THE PAST TWO INVOICES THAT WE HAVE TO TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT. BUT WE DEFINITELY CAN GET THOSE TO YOU. MR. LAWRENCE, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? SINCE THE PAST DUE INVOICES ARE MOST LIKELY WITHIN OUR ERP SYSTEM. B I'M SORRY VESNA, I, I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE SHOULD PUT THE RECOMMENDATION TO GO AHEAD AND JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY TOMORROW EMAIL YOU ALL THOSE INVOICES. OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN. SO TO OKAY, WE'LL GO WITH YOUR DISCRETION. GO AHEAD. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT I COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING IT IF WE HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY ENGAGED. HAVE YOU SEEN THE OVERDUE OR THE PAST DUE INVOICES? HAS THIS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION OR NO? NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU. CITY ATTORNEY. SENIORS. MR. MANGRUM, HOW FAR PAST DUE ARE THESE INVOICES? I'M ABOUT TO GET WITH OUR OFFICE MANAGER TO TO TO SEE. I'M PRETTY SURE WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT ARE PAST DUE. IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT I CAN DIG INTO THE SYSTEM TONIGHT AS WELL. AND AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING OR LOOK AT THE, THE THE MOST RECENT INVOICES THAT HAS THAT WAS, THAT WAS SENT OVER BY PIKE TO TO TO SEND YOU THOSE. A DIFFERENT QUESTION. 
          HAS PIKE SENT US A STOP WORK ORDER? NO, PIKE HAS NOT. WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT PART OKAY. 
          IT JUST I CAN I CAN REVIEW BY JUST PUT IT YOU THEY HAVE SENT US SOMETHING ABOUT PAST DUE INVOICES. I JUST WOULD NEED TO DO A DO A SEARCH ON THAT. AND MR. CITY MANAGER FOR THIS CHANGE ORDER TO BE APPROVED. THE FUNDING COMES OUT OF AN EXISTING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. LINE ITEM. THE FUNDS EXIST. ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE FULFILLING ITS OBLIGATIONS TO THIS VENDOR BY APPROVING THIS CHANGE ORDER REQUEST? YES, I AM, AND I WAS ALSO GOING TO SUGGEST THAT YOU CAN PUT AS A REQUIREMENT ON ANYTHING THAT'S APPROVED, THAT THOSE DOCUMENTS BE GATHERED BEFORE ACTUAL PAYMENT GOES OUT. GREAT. WITH THAT. OH, I SEE, I'LL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGE ORDER REQUEST FOR PIKE ELECTRIC NOT TO EXCEED $310,000, REQUIRING THAT DOCUMENTATION BE APPROVED AND REVIEWED BY THE CITY 
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MANAGER BEFORE ANY PAYMENTS ARE MADE TO PIKE ELECTRIC. SECOND ADMINISTRATION. OH, NO, I WAS IN FROM EARLIER. OKAY, OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          I THINK. DO WE WANT TO MOVE FOR WANT TO HOLD ON FOR THIS INFORMATION OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE FOR ITEM 14? I CAN I CAN PICK UP THE ITEM FROM THE TABLE THAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSING RELATED TO THE IN. KAREN INTERCOM. SORRY, GUYS. INTERCOM ITEM NUMBER 12. YES. 
          OKAY. I'M SORRY. SCOTT. THE INDEMNITY THE APPLICABLE LAW IS GEORGIA. SO IT'S RIGHT. OKAY. 
          THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS PROVIDED THE COUNCIL WITH THE STANDARD CONTRACT MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT. AND MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE CANCELLATION OF THE CONTRACT TO POWER CENTRIC. YOUR MOTION BECAUSE THIS CONTRACT IS SIMPLY TO GO INTO BUSINESS WITH INTERCOM. AND YOUR MOTION WOULD BE A MOTION TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT WITH. POWER CENTRAL, BUT ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH INTERCOM TO FULFILL THE RFQ. OKAY. WITH THAT, MADAM. MADAM, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT FOR THE VENDOR. INTERCOM SERVICES, LLC. 
          FOR THEM TO FULFILL THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT WITH POWER CENTRIC SOLUTIONS. RFQ 2020 2-1779 AND TO TERMINATE THE EXISTING CONTRACT WITH POWER CENTRIC SOLUTIONS. THAT'S END OF MY MOTION. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. SO. THANK YOU. ON A NUMBER 14 COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ON 
          [IV.14. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Contract Amendment, for Vendor EnergyComNetwork, Inc. (Subsidiary Exceleron) – the Prepaid Utility Software and the Vantiv/WorldPay Sub-Merchant Agreement, from PayGo Processing, LLC. NOT TO EXCEED: Originally Approved Amount - $15,000.00 Initial Licensing Fee and Minimum $2000.00 Monthly Fee FUNDING SOURCE: Professional Fees (Action May be Taken)]
CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR VENDOR ENERGY COMM NETWORK INC. SUBSIDIARY ELECTRIC. OKAY I'M GOING TO SKIP AND THAT'S PREPAID UTILITY SOFTWARE AND VAN WORLD PLAY WORLD PAY SUB MERCHANT AGREEMENT FROM PAGO PROCESSING LLC NOT TO EXCEED ORIGINAL APPROVED AMOUNT OF 15,000. INITIAL INITIAL LICENSING FEE AND MINIMUM 200,000 MONTHLY FEE 2000 OH SORRY 2000 MONTHLY FEE. FUNDING SOURCE. PROFESSIONAL FEES. ACTION MAY BE TAKEN. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR THE VENDOR ENERGY CON NETWORK SECOND. ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. AND FOR NUMBER. THE MOTION JUST TO OPEN. OPEN THE FLOOR. ACTION. SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT THIS IS. SO. THE COMPANY NAME IS ENERGY ENERGY COMM NETWORK. YOU ALL APPROVED THIS A WHILE AGO. AND THEY'RE ALSO KNOWN AS ACCELERON IN PROCESSING THAT ACCELERON CAME WITH THEIR SUBSIDIARY OR BROTHER COMPANY CALLED PAGO, WHO ISSUED A SUB MERCHANT AGREEMENT IN DISCUSSING THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. THAT AGREEMENT DID NOT MATCH WITH ANYTHING THAT THE CITY COULD AGREE TO. SO WE DISCUSSED THE DETERMINED TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT, WHICH WAS ACCELERON, AND THAT AMENDMENT ACTUALLY ALLOWED THE THE INITIAL CONTRACT, WHICH WAS APPROVED ACCELERON, TO ACTUALLY TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER ANY OTHER SUB MERCHANT AGREEMENTS. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS THE SUB 
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MERCHANT AGREEMENT, WHICH WILL ALLOW PAYGO TO ACTUALLY PUT MONEY INTO OUR ACCOUNTS. AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU ALL TO NOT ONLY APPROVE THAT AMENDMENT, THAT WE ARE ADDING TO THAT CONTRACT, BUT ALSO THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT FOR PAGO, WHICH IS THE SUB MERCHANT AGREEMENT. 
          SORRY IF THAT'S CONVOLUTED AT 1116 THIS EVENING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE ANY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? MOTION. DISCUSSION. THE MOTION FOR DISCUSSION. PASSED. THE COUNCIL CAN ASK QUESTIONS. OF STAFF FOR MOTIONS. OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN MEAD, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. 
          THIS ITEM WAS GIVEN TO US RIGHT BEFORE WE WALKED IN, SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING CONTRACT. THAT WAS ESTABLISHED. THIS PREPAID UTILITY SOFTWARE JUST HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT IT DOES. SO IF A CONSTITUENT WERE TO ASK US WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE THAT. OKAY. WHAT THE PICTURE IS. IT'S IT'S GEORGIA POWER USES THE SAME SYSTEM, BUT CITIZENS CAN GO INTO WALGREENS, WALMART AND PAY THEIR UTILITY BILLS. AND THIS THIS WAY WITH THE PAYGO SYSTEM. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE REQUEST YOU GUYS TO APPROVE. 
          OKAY. YES. AND SO WITH I DON'T I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT A SUB MERCHANT AGREEMENT IS. DOES THE SUB MERCHANT AGREEMENT HAVE LANGUAGE IN IT SO THAT IT WOULD NOT EXCEED THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED IN WITH ACCELERON. SO YOU GOT IT. ENERGY GOAL NETWORK THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE ALREADY IN CONTRACT WITH HAS TWO SUBSIDIARIES, WHICH, AS MR. LAWRENCE EXPLAINED, IS PAYGO AND ACCELERON. ACCELERON ACTS AS THE SOFTWARE. PAYGO IS THE PAYMENT PROCESSING FOLKS. OKAY, THEN THERE IS THE. WORLDPAY. I'M SORRY. THEN THERE IS THE PAYGO PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO DEPOSIT THE MONEY INTO OUR ACCOUNT ONCE THEY GET IT FROM THE PROCESSING AND THEY ARE CONTRACT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS A PROBLEM. AND SO TO MAKE IT NO LONGER A PROBLEM, WE AMENDED OUR ENERGY GOAL NETWORK ENERGY COMM NETWORK AGREEMENT TO SAY THAT THE TERMS OF THAT AGREEMENT THAT WE DO LIKE TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER THE SUB MERCHANT AGREEMENT, SINCE THEY'RE A SUBSIDIARY OF THE BIGGER COMPANY, ENERGY COMM NETWORK. OKAY. SO THIS IS NOT REQUIRING ANY NEW MONEY FROM COUNCIL. THIS IS SIMPLY AN OPERATIONAL FIX SO THAT WE CAN BE IN WE CAN USE BOTH SIDES OF THE SUBSIDIARY COMPANIES SO THAT WE CAN BOTH COLLECT THE FUNDS AND THEN RETURN THEM TO THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. THEY CAN COLLECT THE FUNDS AND DEPOSIT THEM IN CITY OF EASTPOINTE. OKAY. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR FOR THE VENDOR ENERGY CON NETWORK, INC. SECOND, YES. ANY DISCUSSION? DID YOU HAVE A COUNCILWOMAN, COUNCILWOMAN MITCHELL NO DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. MOTION TO ENTER INTO THE SUB AGREEMENT WITH. OH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SECOND MOTION, THEN TO ENTER INTO THE SUB MERCHANT AGREEMENT WITH PAGO. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. THE AYES HAVE IT. MADAM MAYOR, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A DISCUSSION FOR THE ITEM. IT'S MOOT NOW, BUT MY QUESTION WAS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. CAN WE DO THEM AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS, OR SHOULD WE HAVE AMENDED THE PREVIOUS ONE? CAN WE DO THEM AS TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS, WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST DID? OKAY, THANKS. GOOD ITEM. ARE WE ON ITEM 15? COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE 
          [IV.15. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor, Double A&A Grade and Paving, from ITB 2026-1898, for Sylvan Rd. North Sidewalk. NOT TO EXCEED: $458,927.80 FUNDING SOURCE: TSPLOST]
ACTION FOR VENDOR DOUBLE A AND A GRADE AND PAVING FROM ITB 2026 THROUGH 1989 1898 FOR SYLVAN ROAD SIDEWALK. SIDEWALK. NORTH TO TO NOT TO EXCEED $458,927.80. FUNDING SOURCE IS THE TSPLOST PUBLIC WORKS. HI, HOW ARE YOU? HI. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A 
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MOTION TO OPEN. I'M SORRY. ONE SECOND. DO YOU? I'M SORRY. I'M CONFUSED. DURING THE WORK SESSION, DO YOU PRESENT FIRST AND THEN THE MOTION? CAN WE JUST. I'M OPENING THE FLOOR. SO ARE YOU ASKING WHETHER SHE NEEDS TO MAKE THE MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION? YES. SO DO WE DO THAT? I DON'T THINK IT MUCH MATTERS. WE TEND TO NOT DO IT IN WORK SESSION BECAUSE IT'S WORK SESSION, BUT BECAUSE ACTION IS GOING TO BE LIKELY TAKEN ON THIS ONE. NO, NOT ON THIS ONE. THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO. I THINK HE'S FREE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE IS NUMBER 15. THERE'S NO ACTION. DO YOU WANT ACTIONS? THEY WANT US TO APPROVE? Y'ALL WANT US. 
          SO WE DON'T. THEY WANT US TO. OH YES, IT DOES SAY ACTION. I'M SORRY. I WAS LOOKING FOR IT IN THE PARENTHETICALS. SO HER MOTION IS APPROPRIATE. OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN HEMMINGS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE VENDOR. 
          AA GRADE AND PAVING FROM ITB 2020 6-1898. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE OPPOSED. OKAY. THE AYES HAVE IT, SIR. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. SO YES THIS IS OUR POSSIBLE ACTION ON AA GRADING AND PAVING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SYLVAN ROAD NORTH. SIDEWALKS NOT TO EXCEED $458,927.80. CITY SPLASH PROOF PROJECT AND FUNDED PROJECT JUST TO GIVE VICINITY. THIS IS FROM JEFFERSON AVENUE UP TO THE CITY LIMITS OF ATLANTA. THIS IS ADVERTISED BID, A COMPETITIVE BID PROJECT, AND THIS WAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS YES, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. THE VENDOR DOUBLE A AND A GRADE AND PAVING FROM ITB 2026 DASH 1898 FOR SYLVAN ROAD NORTH. SIDEWALK NOT TO EXCEED $458,927.80. THE FUNDING SOURCE IS A TSPLOST SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? WELL, THERE'S A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. SO YOU BEFORE THE VOTE, YOU. LET'S HEAR THE DISCUSSION ITEM. YES. OKAY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. HALL. QUESTION. YOU SAID SO THIS WAS COMPETITIVELY BID AND THEY WERE THE LOWEST BIDDER. IS THAT RIGHT? THEY WERE THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE. THERE WAS A BID THAT WAS LOWER THAT WAS REJECTED BY PROCUREMENT THAT WAS UNRESPONSIVE WITH THEIR QUANTITIES PRICING THEY SUBMITTED. SO THAT BID WAS REJECTED. AND WE MOVED ON TO THE SECOND BIDDING. HAVE WE DONE ANY WORK WITH THIS COMPANY BEFORE? THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST PROJECT OF MY KNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THEM. OKAY. AND SO WE DON'T WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE QUALITY OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY WOULD DO. RIGHT. SINCE WE HAVEN'T WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE. WE DID GO THROUGH THEIR REFERENCES. LOOK, SOME OF THEIR PREVIOUS PROJECTS JUST TO SEE IF THEY'VE DONE SIMILAR TYPES OF WORK. SO THEY HAVE DONE SOME WORK SIMILAR TO THIS. SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YIELD. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER. YES. 
          THANK YOU. SINCE WE DID THE SYLVAN ROAD SIDEWALKS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SYLVAN, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE JUST DIDN'T USE THAT SAME VENDOR? THEY WOULD DESIGN? LIKE, IT'S SEPARATELY, LIKE, DIFFERENT TIMES. SO THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY READY FOR CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME TO PUT OUT THE BID. SO THAT THAT VENDOR DID BID ON THIS PART TWO, BUT IT DIDN'T WIN THIS SECTION. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU. OKAY. MORE QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO DID I GET THE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 18 USE PERMIT AND CONCURRENT 
          [IV.18. Use Permit with Concurrent Variance to Operate an Ice Manufacturing Company within 5,280 Ft from Residential Properties Located at 1240 Oakleigh Drive In the I-1 (Light Industrial) Zoning District PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED]
VARIANCE WITH TO OPERATE ICE MACHINE MANUFACTURING COMPANY WITHIN 5280FT FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1240 OAK OAK DRIVE IN THE I ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED. ALL RIGHT. WANT TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION 
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OR. I'M SORRY. OKAY. YOU DIDN'T WANT TO OR I MOVE TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. BUT AS I DO THAT, I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED FOR THIS ITEM, AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL APRIL ON THIS ITEM. AND I THINK THAT GIVEN THE SENSITIVITY OF THIS ITEM, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION HAPPENS AT A DATE WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN VIEW OUR DISCUSSION BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I THINK AT THE HOUR THAT THIS IS. IT WOULD NOT BE IDEAL TO DISCUSS THIS TONIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER HEMMING. WE WE WON'T ACT ON IT BECAUSE IT'S A WORK SESSION AND IT DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT THEY DO COME TO WORK SESSION FIRST FOR US TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND ASK QUESTIONS. BUT AT THE AT A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, THERE MUST BE A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN THERE'S A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF AND THE APPLICANT THEN FOR ACTION. SO WHY WAS THIS ITEM PUT ON AS A TIME SENSITIVE THEN? I DON'T THINK IT SAYS FOR ACTION. IS IT UNDER A SPECIAL SECTION? OKAY. IT'S NOT FOR ACTION. SO THEN I'LL MOVE TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. FOR DISCUSSION. NO WE DON'T NEED WE DON'T KNOW. 
          JUST THE PRESENTATION OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. HI. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. IN REFERENCE TO THIS PETITION, THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST WITHDRAWAL OF THE APPLICATION LATE LAST WEEK. AND THEY BASICALLY STATED THAT THE PROPERTY WILL NO LONGER BE NEEDED BY THEIR COMPANY, AND THEY HAVE MADE A REQUEST FOR WITHDRAWAL AND FOR YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF THE WITHDRAWAL OF THEIR APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILMAN MITCHELL, DO YOU HAVE A WAIT? SO WE HAVE WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL. NO, NOT TONIGHT, BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ADVERTISED AS A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THE WITHDRAWAL CAME AFTER THE ADVERTISEMENT. SO YOU'LL HEAR IT THEN YOU CAN GET THAT STAFF REPORT, THEN YOU'LL MAKE YOUR MOTION OKAY? YES, SIR. LET'S SEE. MOVING ON TO NUMBER 19 
          [IV.19. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Police Department Updated Jail Inmate Agreement (Action May be Taken)]
COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON POLICE DEPARTMENT. UPDATED JAIL INMATE AGREEMENT. 
          ACTION TO BE TAKEN THERE MOTION. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS. YES, I WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. WHAT'S. I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ACTION AND POSSIBLE DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER 19 FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UPDATED JAIL INMATE AGREEMENT. THERE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION PASSES. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU. HELLO. Y'ALL READY? OKAY. BASICALLY, WE EVERYBODY KNOWS WE HAVE A JAIL CITY OF EAST POINT, AND OUR CURRENT FEES ARE TOO LOW TO SUSTAIN THE SERVICES THAT WE RENDER. SO I'M PROPOSING THAT WE INCREASE IT. WE DID A STUDY. WE'RE LOSING MONEY SIGNIFICANTLY WITH OUR JAIL RIGHT NOW. SO WE NEED TO GO UP TO $150 A DAY THAT DON'T EVEN REALLY COVER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE FACILITATE, THE STAFF, THE MEDICAL, THE NURSES, THE FOOD, THAT'S NOT EVEN BREAKING EVEN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. BUT THAT'S WHAT PROBABLY THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GO UP TO. COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN ATKINS AND COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER AND COUNCILMAN, MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS. SO, MISTER. EXCUSE ME, CHIEF BUCHANAN, I REVIEWED THE AGREEMENT, AND I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE. IT APPEARED THIS AGREEMENT WAS INCREASING THE RATE TO $150 PER DAY. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW YOU CAME TO THAT NUMBER. AND BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT, IF I COULD ALSO ADD, COULD YOU LET US KNOW IF THE NUMBER YOU PROPOSED? ACTUALLY REPRESENTS THE TOTAL COST OF THESE INMATE 
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TRANSFERS? THE WAY WE LOOKED AT THE BEST WAY TO WRITE THIS CONTRACT IS WE FACTORED IN MILEAGE. IF WE HAVE, BECAUSE SOME INMATES GET SICK, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. WE FACTORED IN A MILEAGE FEE IF WE HAVE TO TRANSPORT THE INMATE VERSUS THE ORIGINATING AGENCY, TRANSPORT THEM. SOMETIMES WE HAVE ISSUES WHERE THE ORIGINATING AGENCY WON'T COME TO THE JAIL AND TAKE HIM TO THE HOSPITAL, SO WE HAVE TO SIT AT THE HOSPITAL. WE ALSO FACTORED IN AN ADDITIONAL COST. IF WE HAVE TO SIT OR HAVE THE OFFICER SIT IN THE HOSPITAL WITH THEM. SO IT'S $150 A DAY AND THAT'S A FLAT FEE. IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL EXPENSES, LIKE US TAKING THEM TO HOSPITAL, SITTING AT THE HOSPITAL WITH THE INMATE, THINGS THAT NATURE AND THE WAY WE CAME UP WITH THAT IS WE LOOKED AT ACROSS THE NATION IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH IT COST FOR A PRISONER IN A STATE PRISON A DAY, AND THAT'S ABOUT $150 A DAY. LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO THE $150 DOES COVER THE COST OF AN OFFICER NEEDING TO STAY AT THE HOSPITAL. 
          IT DOES NOT. NO. THAT'S JUST IF IT COMES TO OUR JAIL, WE FEED THEM THREE TIMES, THEY SEE A NURSE AND WE ADJUDICATE THEM THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM. IT'S 150 IF WE. SO WE PUT IN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A STAFFING TO TAKE OTHER PEOPLE, INMATES TO THE HOSPITAL THAT TAKES AWAY OUR SERVICES ON THE STREETS. SO WE WANT THEM TO COME PICK THEIR INMATE BACK UP AND TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO COME OR THEY TOO SHORT OR WHATEVER. SO WE FACTOR IN AN ADDITIONAL COST IF WE HAVE TO INCUR THAT EXPENSE. OKAY. I'M CURIOUS THEN ABOUT THE OVERALL THERE'S A CLAUSE IN THERE AROUND MEDICAL EXPENSES, LIABILITY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. YES. DOES THIS $150 COVER, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE COST ABOVE AND BEYOND, NO, NO, THAT'S WHAT THE AVERAGE IS AND THAT'S WHAT WE CHOSE TO PUT IN THERE. BUT IT DOES NOT COVER THAT. SO STATED DIFFERENTLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EAST POINT RESIDENTS ARE NOT HAVING TO SUBSIDIZE OTHER CITIES HOUSING OF THEIR INMATES. AND SO THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT COVER ALL OF THOSE COSTS. SO WE LOOKED AT NO. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, LIABILITY PURPOSES, THAT $150 IS A BARGAIN TO SAY THE LEAST. SO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF LIABILITY ISSUES IN THE JAIL THAT HAPPENS WITH THAT INMATE THAT CAME FROM A DIFFERENT CITY. THE EAST POINT POLICE DEPARTMENT IS 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT LIABILITY. SO THE REASON I SAY IT DOESN'T IS BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE GET SUED, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, NOT THE OTHER AGENCY, BECAUSE ONCE THEY BRING IT TO US, IT'S OUR LIABILITY. AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH HAVING A FACILITY LIKE WE HAVE THAT ALLOWS OTHER AGENCIES TO UTILIZE IT. SO WHY WOULD WE WHY WOULD WE DO THIS? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO EAST POINT? SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS OVER THE YEARS THIS WAS MADE PRIOR TO ME BEING CHIEF. BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IT'S MORE OF A CONVENIENCE BECAUSE OF THE FULTON COUNTY JAIL ISSUES. BUT THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT IS THE AGENCY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HOUSE INMATES. IS FULTON COUNTY GOING TO REIMBURSE US IF WE'RE MAKING A CONVENIENCE OR A CONCESSION BECAUSE OF THEIR JAIL NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE? ARE THEY GOING TO REIMBURSE US IN SOME WAY FOR THIS CONVENIENCE TO THE COUNTY? NO, BECAUSE SOMETIMES EVEN AFTER THEY COME TO EAST POINT, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE BOUND OVER TO FULTON COUNTY JAIL. SO THE ANSWER IS NOW. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT. I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND IT. 
          WHEN I READ THE CONTRACT AND I LOOKED UP WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE DOING AROUND TRANSFERS, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE NET VALUE ADDED TO THE CITY OF EAST POINT. I UNDERSTAND BEING A GOOD REGIONAL PARTNER AND SUPPORTING WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING, BUT DO WE NEED TO DO WE NEED TO DO THIS IN ORDER TO FULFILL, LIKE, DO WE HAVE AN OVERFLOW PROBLEM WHEREBY YOU IF WE DON'T DO THIS, WE CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES? SHOULD WE HAVE AN OVERFLOW ISSUE? SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE HAVE OUR OWN INMATES AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. WE HAVE OUR OWN EAST POINT CITY OF EAST POINT INMATES. THIS IS A COURTESY BASICALLY TO OTHER FACILITIES TO HELP THEM FACILITATE THEIR NEEDS QUICKER. WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE FULTON COUNTY JAIL, IT'S A MINIMUM OF TWO HOURS THAT OUR OFFICERS OUT OF SERVICE. WHEN YOU COME TO EAST POINT JAIL, IT'S A WHOLE LOT QUICKER. IT'S A LOT CLOSER THINGS OF THIS NATURE. SO THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS HAS FELT LIKE MAYBE WE CAN GENERATE REVENUE 
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FROM OUR JAIL, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. AND WHAT I MEAN OTHER WAY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE AGENCIES ANYWAY. THEY'VE COME TO US AND THEY SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE CHARGE THEM AT LEAST THAT ASSIST US AND ASSIST THEM. I'M JUST NOT OF THAT SAME PHILOSOPHY. ARE THEY REQUIRED TO COME? I'M NOT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PHILOSOPHY. SO THESE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO TRANSFER INMATES TO US? NO, THEY DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSELY AND QUICKER. IT WAS CONVENIENT. THE FULTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOUSING ALL INMATES. SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE RATIONALE THEN WHY THE CITY WOULD TAKE ON THIS LIABILITY. WHAT A COURTESY. 
          YES. I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE SIGNING OR APPROVING THIS UNTIL WE GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROCESS. WHAT? WHAT THE RIGHT NOW, WHAT I'M READING AS I'M READING THIS, MY CONCERN IS THAT EASTPOINTE RESIDENT ARE SUBSIDIZING OTHER MUNICIPALITIES INMATES BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS A HOSPITALIZATION OR OTHER MEDICAL COSTS, THE OVERTIME FOR THE STAFF, FOR THE OFFICERS TO SIT IN THE FACILITY THAT TAKES OFFICERS OFF OF OUR STREET TO PROVIDE THE SAFETY OF OUR EASTPOINTE RESIDENTS. AND WE ARE NOT EVEN BREAKING EVEN. AND I, I EVEN HATE TO BE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT REVENUE STREAMS AND INMATES. THAT'S JUST NOT A COMFORTABLE PHILOSOPHY FOR ME, BUT I JUST HAVE SOME GENUINE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL BEFORE US TONIGHT. I YIELD. MARTIN ROGERS. 
          THANK YOU. MR. SANDERS, I'M SORRY. COUNCILMAN ATKINS AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. CHIEF, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. YOU SAID THAT IN MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. I THINK YOU FIRST MENTIONED LIABILITY. MY QUESTION IS THIS. 
          WHAT IS OUR CAPACITY AT THE EASTPOINTE JAIL? OUR MICROPHONE. WE CAN HOUSE APPROX. ABOUT 100 IN FULL CAPACITY, ABOUT 100, 102, 190 INMATES. WE HAVE ABOUT 60 CELLS, BUT WE'RE DOING SOME REPAIRS, SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT FULL CAPACITY RIGHT NOW. AND AND IS THIS ALSO CAUSING SOME? NOT ONLY IS IT THE THE TIME THAT IS REQUIRED TO, I GUESS, ATTEND TO THESE INMATES OVERCROWDING ISSUES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS WITHIN OUR JAIL? WELL, THE BIGGEST SOMETIMES IS OVERCROWDING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 30 CELLS DOWN AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING EVERYTHING REPAIRED. SO IT'S A COST TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REPAIR THESE CELLS. THAT'S IN THE PROCESS. AS I SPEAK, WE'VE GOTTEN CONTRACTORS AND WE JUST NEED TO START THE WORK. SO THAT IS AN EXPENSE BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES IN THE JAIL. PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, BUT PEOPLE FLUSH TOILETS, THEY BREAK THINGS, SET OFF THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE IN THE JAIL. AND SOME OF THIS, SOME OF THESE THINGS COULD BE CAUSED BY SOME OF THE INMATES THAT ARE NOT EASTPOINTE INMATES, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES AROUND THAT. YES. AND SO THAT'S HAPPENED QUITE FREQUENTLY. AND WE JUST AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR FEES. WE'RE NOT GETTING IT'S COSTING US A LOT. 
          OKAY. I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT CAPACITY. I ALSO WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT LIABILITY. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT. SO ONCE THEY'RE IN OUR CUSTODY, THEY ARE OUR LIABILITY, OUR LIABILITY. WE'RE LIABLE FOR ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM AND THE OTHER JURISDICTION FROM WHICH THEY'VE COME SCOT FREE. SCOT FREE SO FAR. YES. BECAUSE ONCE IT'S IN THE CONTRACT, ONCE THEY RELEASE INTO US THAT LIABILITY IS SHARED ON OUR PARTS, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THEY'RE INMATES, THEY'RE HOUSING THEM AT OUR FACILITY FOR A FEE. SO IN THE PAST, I WOULD SAY ALL LIABILITY HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO US. AND WHAT ABOUT THE NEED TO STAFF AT A CERTAIN LEVEL? IS THERE A RATIO THAT MUST BE MAINTAINED OFFICER VERSUS INMATE? YES. AND THE REASON WE JUST WE INCREASED IT LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS. OKAY. SO THEIR MAN HOURS AND PERSONNEL THAT WE'RE ALSO PAYING FOR, WHICH IS DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO COVER THE $150 A DAY. CORRECT. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU I YIELD. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER. YES. THANK YOU. SO I'VE HEARD TONIGHT. IS THAT SO? CURRENTLY WE'RE CHARGING WAY, WAY TOO, TOO LESS. NOT ENOUGH MONEY AT 
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ALL TO TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH TAKING INMATES IN FROM OTHER CITIES, AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO RAISE IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S STILL NOT GOING TO COVER WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. 
          SO IN YOUR IN YOUR ESTIMATION, WHAT WOULD BE THAT COST THAT WE WOULD BE CHARGING OTHER CITIES IN ORDER TO EVEN JUST MAKE US WHOLE? AND I WOULD TELL YOU WE DID SOME. WE DID SOME RESEARCH. 
          IT WOULD BE ASTRONOMICAL. AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT THE MEDICAL PART. IT'S JUST NOT THE FOOD PART. IT'S MAINTENANCE. IT'S A VERY IT'S A IT'S A LARGE CALCULATED SCALE. 
          BUT WE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY BECAUSE OF THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE CHOSE, $150 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PRISONS ARE. BUT THEY WOULDN'T PAY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE. BUT WE ARE RIGHT NOW AT THE CURRENT RATE, IT IS SO NOMINAL. IT'S SUCH A NOMINAL FEE. IT'S IT'S TRULY NOT WORTH THE BENEFIT THAT IS OFFERING BECAUSE IT'S TOO SMALL OF A FEE. 
          OKAY. AND IS THERE AN OPTION TO JUST NOT ALLOW OTHER INMATES FROM OTHER CITIES IN, OR DO WE HAVE TO? WELL, WE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE THE CITY MANAGER. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT. AND AND THE THE DETERMINATION WAS THAT WE SHOULD. MR. JONES. YES. SO THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WE HAVE SOME SOME MAJOR INVESTMENT IN THE JAIL THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE. AND JUST BEING LOCAL IS NOT ENOUGH. INMATES THAT CAN GENERATE THE REVENUE NEEDED TO MAKE THE JAIL FULLY OPERATIONAL. 
          SO THERE'S A BALANCING ACT THAT NEEDS TO WEIGH IN, THE INVESTMENT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FULLY OPERATIONAL JAIL AND FIND THE PRICE POINT THAT, WHILE MIGHT BE CHALLENGING TO SOME OF THE OTHER AGENCIES, BUT STILL WITHIN THE THE MARGIN THAT THEY WILL STILL USE THE JAIL AND AND ALLOW US THE REVENUES THAT WE NEED SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS TO GET THE JAIL UP TO SNUFF, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE I FORGET HOW MANY CELLS, BUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CELLS THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO US BECAUSE OF, OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES. OKAY. SO FOR ME, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE WITH THIS. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY TAKE BECAUSE MAYBE YOU'RE NOT PRIVY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT. YEAH, I, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF LIABILITY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT, AND MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS THIS IN EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO, COUNCILMAN FRIEDLI, YOU WERE IN. HERE, I GUESS I'M IN. BUT MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, I WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE ISSUE OF LIABILITY AND CHIEF WAS EXPLAINING HIS UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, I THOUGHT I SAW YOU SORT OF SIGNALING SOME DISAGREEMENT ON THAT. OR WAS I MISREADING YOU? YOU WERE READING TWO THINGS. JUST HEARING. AND AGAIN, THE GRAVENESS OF THE SITUATION, THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION IS JUST LIKE THAT. SAD THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BEAR THAT. I ALSO WAS LOOKING. YOU ALSO SAW THAT I WAS SHAKING MY HEAD BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE PUT IN THERE AN INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE IN THE AMENDED AGREEMENT THAT DIDN'T EXIST IN THE PRIOR AGREEMENTS TO PROTECT THE CITY. IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY SENT, FOR INSTANCE, WE GET AN INMATE FROM ONE OF THE SOUTH FULTON CITIES THAT DID NOT GET VETTED PROPERLY, AND THEY BRING THEM TO OUR JAIL FOR BOOKING. AND THEY MISSED THE STEP. AND THEY'RE WHATEVER OF THE INMATE. 
          THEN MY UNDERSTANDING OF OUR AGREEMENT IS THAT THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR EMPLOYEES. WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF OUR EMPLOYEES. SO THERE WILL BE AND BECAUSE IT'S A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, THAT WHOLE THING ABOUT YOU CAN'T INDEMNIFY A PRIVATE ENTITY DOESN'T DOESN'T EXIST HERE. SO THAT'S THAT. THAT WAS THE SHAKING OF THE HEAD BECAUSE 
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WE PUT IN THERE INDEMNIFICATION FOR THEIR STUFF, AND THEY HOLD US HARMLESS FOR THEIR STUFF AND VICE VERSA. SO. TO SORT OF BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR STUFF VERSUS OUR STUFF, THEIR STUFF VERSUS OUR STUFF. SO SAY IN A HYPOTHETICAL, THEY TAKE IN, THEY ARREST SOMEONE, THEY DON'T SEARCH THAT PERSON FOR ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES. RIGHT. SO. WE JUST NEED TO GET THESE FIXED. THEY COME TO OUR JAIL. SOMETHING HAPPENS INVOLVING THOSE ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES. WE ARE FACING THAT SITUATION. IS THAT AN EXAMPLE OR IT DOESN'T FIT THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SEARCH THEM AS WELL. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT STUFF WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THEY WOULD KNOW BASED ON THEIR ARREST. OKAY. COULD BE SOME. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE. 
          CHIEF, HELP ME OUT. OKAY, SO WE RECENTLY HAD A SITUATION WHERE A PERSON WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT CAUSED THE DEATH, BUT THE PERSON WAS ANOTHER PERSON'S INMATE, AND THEY WOULD SIT FOR THREE HOURS AND EXPIRED. WE DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THEY I BELIEVE IT COULD HAVE BEEN FENTANYL OR ANYTHING BECAUSE WE JUST THAT'S A VERY ODD SITUATION AND THAT HAS JUST BEEN PUT IN. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD IN THE PAST. AND THE ISSUE IS I WANT TO GO INTO A LOT OF LEGAL JARGON, BUT PROVING THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE. AND IN THE PAST, LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE IN THERE. SO EVERYTHING WAS HELD ON US. 
          ANYTHING WE DID OR DIDN'T DO OR SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS ON US. AND THIS HAS HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE A PERSON HAD FENTANYL IN THEIR SYSTEM. WE DIDN'T PICK IT UP, THEY DIDN'T PICK IT UP, AND WE HELD RESPONSIBLE. AND IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION TO PROVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ARREST. WE DIDN'T SEE THE ARREST. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OCCURRED DURING THE ARREST. SO IT'S A IT'S A LOT FOR A LACK OF A BETTER TERM. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE SOME PROJECTION THERE WITH THIS ADDENDUM OR AMENDMENT. BUT I GUESS AND I THINK SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID THIS OR ASKED ABOUT THIS. ON THE ONE HAND, I'M HEARING FROM THE CITY MANAGER THAT WE THE JAIL CAN'T SUPPORT ITSELF WITHOUT THIS SORT OF TAKING THESE INMATES IN FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS. AND THE FEE THAT'S ASSOCIATED. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU? YES. 
          OKAY. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I'M HEARING THAT IT'S WE'RE LOSING MONEY REGARDLESS, SO I. 
          IS IT REALLY HELPING US PAY FOR THE JAIL OPERATIONS OR IS IT NOT. WELL, I, I MY I GUESS MY ADVICE IS BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD A NUMBER OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, BUT THERE WAS A GAUGE OF WHAT IS REASONABLE TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE THAT AGENCIES WOULD PAY. MY THOUGHTS IS THAT IT SHOULD BE ON THE HIGH END OF THAT CALCULUS, BECAUSE THOSE DOLLARS ARE NEEDED TO GET OUR JAILS, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALSO PICK UP LIABILITY FOR HAVING AND RUNNING JAILS THAT ARE NOT AT CERTAIN CONDITIONS. SO. I THINK THERE IS A BALANCING ACT BETWEEN WHERE AGENCIES, YOU KNOW, WILL BE WILLING TO SPEND, BUT PART OF PART OF THE OF THE CALCULUS IS THERE'S A SHORTAGE. 
          AND SO I DO FEEL THAT WE HAVE MORE ROOM TO DEMAND A NUMBER THAT ACTUALLY REFLECTS THE EXPENSES THAT WE'RE TAKING ON. I ALSO THINK THAT WE ARE DOING A BETTER JOB AT BALANCING OUT THOSE LIABILITIES BETTER THAN THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, SO THAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING THROUGH WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THAT AT A AT A GREATER LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN A WHILE. AND CERTAINLY, I THINK JUSTIFIES A HIGHER COST. SO THE THE RESEARCH COMES BACK FROM A NATIONAL LOOK WITH FRANKLY, I WANT TO PUSH THAT LIMIT BECAUSE PART OF IT, I BELIEVE IF AN AGENCY SAYS, OH, WE CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, SOMEWHERE ELSE IS NOT ALSO GOING TO BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE. AND SO I THINK WE CAN DEMAND MORE. AND THEY MAY ALSO WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED 
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ABOUT WITH THE EXTRA CHARGES ON TOP OF THOSE CHARGES, BE MORE RESPONSIBLE. I ALSO FEEL THAT THERE WAS A, I WANT TO SAY, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LAZINESS, BUT IT WAS OKAY BECAUSE EASTPOINTE WILL PICK IT UP KIND OF THOUGHT, AND IT'S KIND OF DROPPED. DROPPING OFF INMATES WITHOUT GIVING US THE PROPER INFORMATION ON THOSE INMATES THAT HAVE SOMETIMES CAUSED PROBLEMS IN PROVIDING SAFE CARE FOR THOSE INMATES. OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS OF TO COUNCIL MEMBER HEMMING'S POINT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DISCUSSING THE CALCULUS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN MAKE OFF INMATES IS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE SHOULDN'T BE LOSING MONEY. I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, IT SHOULD BE A BENEFICIAL THING TO THE CITY OR WE SHOULDN'T BE IN THE GAME. YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, CHIEF. SO SORRY. PRIOR TO HAVING THESE OTHER INMATES, WE HAVE A FACILITY FOR EASTPOINTE OFFICERS TO DETAIN INMATES. 
          WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE BEFORE WE ADDED THESE OTHER PEOPLE ON. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT COST US A LOT OF MONEY TO HIRE INCREASED STAFF, MORE FOOD. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER NURSE NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO NURSES. THIS IS A LOT OF EXPENSES. I. THE CITY MANAGER, BELIEVES THAT WE CAN INCREASE THE PRICE EVEN MORE. I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DO THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE. THEY HAVEN'T AGREED TO SIGN THIS STUFF YET, SO THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN PRESENTED IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD IT APPROVED. I'M JUST. I THINK IT'S WHAT SUSTAINS ITSELF. I THINK WE WE SUSTAIN THE JAIL FOR A VERY LONG TIME WITHOUT OTHER AGENCIES. I LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE AMOUNT OF REVENUE WE BROUGHT IN. IT WASN'T A LOT LAST YEAR EVEN. WE TRIPLED THOSE FEES. IT'S JUST NOT A LOT. NOT LIKE YOU WOULD THINK. LAST YEAR WE BROUGHT IN 274,000 FROM FIVE AGENCIES. 
          THAT'S IT. SO WE TRIPLE THAT. WE STILL. THANK YOU, CHIEF. WE HAVE I'M SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER FREELY. ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS? OKAY. COUNCIL WOMAN. CALDWELL. COUNCIL WOMAN MARTIN ATKINS. THANKS. JUST COVERED IT. I GUESS I JUST HAD TWO QUESTIONS. HOW COMMON IS THIS PRACTICE ACROSS ALL MUNICIPALITIES? SO. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FULTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR FULTON COUNTY. WE HAVE EASTPOINTE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT IS IT IN FULTON COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW, ANOTHER JAIL IN FULTON COUNTY BESIDES US AND FULTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. OKAY, SO AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST THING, I'M LIKE, IF THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES THAT WENT OUT OF JAIL BUSINESS FOR A REASON. SO WE ARE THE ONLY TWO ENTITIES THAT I KNOW OF IN FULTON COUNTY THAT HAS A JAIL. OUTSIDE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE COBB COUNTY JAIL. I THINK SMYRNA HAS A JAIL AS WELL, BUT THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES OUTSIDE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT HOUSE INMATES ANYMORE. AND AS FAR AS LIKE LIMITATIONS ARE THE INMATES THAT ARE COMING TO EASTPOINTE, IS IT LIMITED TO FULTON COUNTY? LIKE, WE KNOW THAT THERE AREN'T OTHER COUNTIES BRINGING INMATES HERE. 
          YES. SO WE HAVE FIVE. JURISDICTION IS A HATE VILLE BRINGS OUR INMATES BRING THEIR INMATES. COLLEGE PARK, SOUTH FULTON, UNION CITY AND FARIBAULT. OKAY. AND THEN I WELL, SO I THOUGHT I HAD TWO QUESTIONS, BUT MAYBE TWO MORE. THE COST YOU YOU YOU MENTIONED AS FAR AS THAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COLLECT IN PREVIOUS YEARS OR AT LEAST LAST YEAR, $247,000 274. SORRY, $274,000, I GUESS. HOW MUCH DID WE BILL OUT? LIKE ARE WE ABLE TO COLLECT 8,090%? YES, THEY PAY THE AGENCIES PAY THEY CAN. ONLY THEY DON'T PAY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THE INMATES. SO THEY PAY EVERY MONTH. THEY'RE ABOUT A MONTH BEHIND. THEY RUN YOU KNOW THEY PAY FOR THE PREVIOUS MONTH OKAY. SO THEY PAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES COLLECTING THE MONEY IN TERMS OF IT'S JUST THAT OUR FEES ARE SO LOW AND LIKE, WE CAN'T WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. WE CAN'T SUSTAIN THESE LOW FEES. IT'S JUST FINANCIALLY, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY. IT COSTS US MORE MONEY TO RUN A JAIL THAN IT IS BENEFICIAL FOR US, FOR OTHER AGENCIES, IT IT COSTS A LOT. GOT IT. AND THEN I PROMISED LAST QUESTION. SO YOUR 
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ASK IS TO INCREASE THIS PER INMATE RATE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER SO THAT WE COULD SUSTAIN COST. 
          YES. AND THAT'S WHAT THE AVERAGE IS 150. AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE THAT FEE OKAY. SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST WE COULD CHARGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MOST IS BEING CHARGED NATIONWIDE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GO UP. WE WE CANNOT SUSTAIN SIX I THINK IT'S $65 AN INMATE. WE HAVE DIFFERENT RATES. SO BUT THE IT'S NOT IT'S MINIMAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. GOT IT. AND I THINK I GUESS THE GOAL AND ONE THING FOR US AS CITY COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT IS WE ARE GETTING CRIMINALS OFF OF THE STREET AND WE ARE HELPING TO ASSIST WITH THAT IN FULTON COUNTY WHERE WE LIVE. RIGHT. AND SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY THAT THIS COURTESY IS KIND OF PROVIDED TO HELP OUT WITH BRINGING INMATES TO OUR JAIL SYSTEMS. I JUST WONDER, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN IF IF THERE IS SOME ISSUES OR, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE LIABILITIES PORTION OF IT, THAT WE CAN LIMIT IT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 25%. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT IS ARE THERE LIMITATIONS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER TO SAY, HEY, ONCE WE'VE REACHED THIS AMOUNT, WE WOULDN'T ACCEPT ANY MORE BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL LIABILITY IN TERMS OF NUMBER INMATES WE TAKE. YES. SO YES, EACH AGENCY'S A LOT, SO MANY INMATES. SO THERE'S A NUMBER THAT WE ALLOW WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE. WE JUST CAN'T BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO WE'VE ALREADY LIMITED JUST BECAUSE OF SOME JAIL ISSUES WE HAVE IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, CHIEF. BUT I HEARD STAFFING, I HEARD LIABILITY, THEN I HEARD STAFFING AGAIN AND THEN THE JAIL BUILDING MAINTENANCE. BUT WHAT IS ALSO CONCERNING IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW ACROSS THE BOARD DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN ASKED TO CUT, I THINK, 10% OF THEIR BUDGET. BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM YOU IS LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR YOU? BUT TAKING IT A STEP FURTHER, YOU REALLY CAN'T. STAFF. IF WE CONTINUE WITH THIS PROGRAM, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? SO I'M WRITING. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. I'M WRITING A PROPOSAL NOW TO HAVE MORE POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE WE NEED THEM. THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE. WE NEED THEM. SO I'M DOING A PROPOSAL FOR THAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE JAIL STAFF. 
          AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE'RE HOUSING OTHER INMATES AND THAT SORT OF VALID REASON, WE NEED MORE JAILERS. AND THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S THE SOLUTION, BUT WE EITHER HAVE TO INCREASE THE PRICE OR MAKE SOME CHANGES TO OUR CURRENT CONTRACTS NOT TO ALLOW BECAUSE WE CAN'T SUSTAIN WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S WHY WE TALKED, HAD A LONG CONVERSATION. EITHER WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE OR WE CAN'T. ALRIGHT. AND NOW THIS QUESTION IS FOR MR. CITY MANAGER. THE CHIEF SAID THAT HE'S WRITING A PROPOSAL FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I KNOW IN THE PAST. AND I ALSO KNOW AS A SUPPORTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN GENERAL, WHATEVER THE ASK IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, COUNCIL IS USUALLY AMENABLE TO IT. SO IS THIS SOMETHING NEW THAT A PROPOSAL HAS TO BE WRITTEN FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF? I'M JUST CURIOUS, FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION. NO, MA'AM, IT'S NOT. WHENEVER WE HAVE ANY FTE EXPANSION, EVERY BODY HAS TO JUSTIFY WHAT THOSE ARE AND WHY THEY'RE NEEDED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR ANY DEPARTMENT. ANYTIME THERE'S A FTE, EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT WHY THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE NEEDED. THERE HAS TO BE A JUSTIFICATION. SO THAT'S NOT NOTHING NEW. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. I GOT BACK IN BECAUSE I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT AT THE MOMENT THAT EASTPOINTE AND FULTON COUNTY ARE THE ONLY TWO JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY WITH JAILS, CORRECT? YES. I'M I'M ALMOST 100% CERTAIN BECAUSE WE LOOKED AND EASTPOINTE RIGHT NOW IS THE ONLY JURISDICTION OUTSIDE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OF JAIL. YES. AND IT SEEMS THAT THERE WERE SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT DID HAVE JAILS THAT ARE NO LONGER IN THE JAIL BUSINESS. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE THE COST TO RUN THOSE JAILS, WHICH IS A PART OF WHAT FULTON COUNTY IS GRAPPLING WITH AND WHY THEY'RE IN RECEIVERSHIP? HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE. JAILS ARE EXPENSIVE, BUT 
          [05:30:07]
BECAUSE OF FENTANYL, THINGS OF THIS NATURE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DEATHS IN THE JAIL. WE'VE BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS. WE DO A LOT OF TRAINING HOW TO DETECT FENTANYL, THINGS OF THIS NATURE. BUT MY SISTER WORKS AT A JAIL. THEY HAD 30 DEATHS LAST YEAR. THERE ARE A LOT THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE COME TO JAIL, YOU DON'T. THEY MAY HAVE SYMPTOMS. YOU DON'T, THEY DON'T DISPLAY. YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU GET THEM IN HERE. THEN THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY PASS OUT AND EXPIRE. SO YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE GO OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE OF LAWSUITS. I MEAN, YOU GET A JAIL, THAT'S $2 MILLION. WE JUST PAID THAT. SO IT'S EXPENSIVE. SO HEARING THAT AND UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THIS MOMENT WE'RE IN THE JAIL BUSINESS AND THE COUNTY IS IN THE JAIL BUSINESS. AND THE FACT THAT WE WOULD TAKE ON THE LIABILITY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR INMATES FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS, THERE'S A REASON WHY THESE JURISDICTIONS ARE NOT IN THE JAIL BUSINESS. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THIS IS THE BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO BE IN, TAKING THEIR LIABILITY AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S COSTING EASTPOINTE, EASTPOINTE TAXPAYERS TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE THEIR INMATES AND TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE INMATES TO GRADY, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STAFFING SO THAT THE RATIOS BALANCE, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE NURSING, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOOD, TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE CELLS, TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND THE $274,000 THAT WE GOT LAST YEAR, I'M WONDERING IF THERE HAS BEEN AN ANALYSIS, A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AROUND ALL OF THIS, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE GONE OUT OF THE JAIL BUSINESS AND WE'RE JUST SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT $150 A DAY, WHY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FIVE AND $600 A DAY. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY IT, GUESS WHAT YOU FIGURED OUT FOR YOUR JURISDICTION. AND MAYBE THAT WILL DRIVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE JAILS. BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE IN THE BUSINESS OF USING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO HOUSE EVERYBODY ELSE'S INMATES AND TAKE ON ALL OF THAT LIABILITY. 
          SO, YEAH, LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CITY MANAGER. 
          I'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. IT'S EXPENSIVE TO RUN OPERATIONS EVERY JAIL. I WISH I COULD SAY IT ANY OTHER WAY, BUT WE HAVE TO DO A LOT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE SAFE IN JAIL, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY FORESEEN UNFORESEEN DEATHS IN JAIL. IT'S A LOT OF TRAINING INVOLVED. IT'S A LOT. SO I GET IT. HE AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT AND IT'S A HUGE LIABILITY. THAT'S WHY I SAID WE GOTTA EITHER INCREASE OUR PRICES OR JUST HAVE EASTPOINTE. WELL IT SAYS AGREEMENT. SO INMATE AGREEMENT ARE THOSE AGREEMENTS. HAVE THEY ALREADY COME TO SUNSET AND THEY'RE UP TO FOR RENEWAL OR WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THAT. ARE THEY EXERCISING OPTIONS. SO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN OKAY. SO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. THESE AGREEMENTS ARE OLD OKAY. AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY TYPE OF SUBSTANCE TO THESE AGREEMENTS. AND THEY'RE NOT DONE EVERY YEAR. I THINK THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE WAS 2020 OR 2021. SO YEAH. SO THEY'RE NOT ALL OF THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH US ARE ON DIFFERENT TRACKS BECAUSE THEY WERE ENTERED INTO IN DIFFERENT TIMES, LIKE SO FULTON IS THE NEWEST ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE A NEW CITY. RIGHT? AND SO NONE OF THEM ARE EXPIRED. SO THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE YOU APPROVE ONE STANDARD AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD SEND WITH THE UPDATED RATE THAT WE WOULD SEND TO EACH OF THE JURISDICTIONS WITH A NOTICE UNDER THE EXISTING AGREEMENT, THAT WE INTEND TO TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT OR MODIFY THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH THESE NEW TERMS, WHICH ARE THE NEW TERMS IN THE REVISED OR THE NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE NEW RATES, THE INDEMNITY INFORMATION, AND IF THEY TAKE IT TO THEIR COUNCIL. 
          FOR THAT? YES, SIR. IF THEY THINK THEIR COUNCIL APPROVE IT, THEN YOU HAVE NOW HAVE A NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE JURISDICTION FOR THE HOUSING OF INMATES. BUT IF THEY DON'T, THEN. CHIEF WOULD NEED TO THINK INFORMATION TO TERMINATE THE EXISTING AGREEMENT. IF THE WILL IS BUYING OR IS NO LONGER. SO LET'S SEE HERE THE ACTION. THE POSSIBLE ACTION IS TO UPDATE. 
          BUT THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER ACTION THAT COULD BE TO JUST TERMINATE AND GET OUT OF THAT BUSINESS ALTOGETHER AND JUST DEAL WITH OUR INMATES. THAT IS AN OPTION. OKAY. THANK YOU, I YIELD. IT'S MY TURN NEXT, COUNSELOR. OKAY, I JUST WANT TO. THIS IS A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION, BUT 
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JUST BE VERY FRANK WITH ME. SO WE COLLECTED $274,000 LAST YEAR. IF AN INMATE WERE TO EXPIRE AND THEIR LOVED ONES WERE TO SUE THE CITY BECAUSE THEY SOMEHOW THOUGHT THAT WE DID SOMETHING THAT RESULTED IN THE DEATH OR OF THAT INMATE, WHAT IS THE TYPICAL PAYOUT OR WHAT HAS BEEN PAID OUT TO FAMILIES? AND, YOU KNOW, OUR LAST ONE IS 2.5 MILLION. 2.5 MILLION. YES. THAT WAS WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO, I THINK. SO WE COLLECTED 274,000 IN REVENUE. BUT ONE CLAIM EXPIRATION CLAIM COULD BE UPWARDS OF 2.5 MILLION. SO HERE'S MY QUESTION. IF WE'RE THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS OTHER THAN FULTON COUNTY, AND AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, FULTON COUNTY IS UNDER RECEIVERSHIP. WHY ARE WE EVEN DISCUSSING ANYTHING BELOW $500 PER DAY? IF THE DEMAND IS SUCH THAT EASTPOINTE REALLY NEEDS TO FILL THIS GAP, BECAUSE IT SOMEHOW IS GOING TO IMPROVE OUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAINTAIN OUR OWN FACILITIES. THE NUMBER TO ME IS EVEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROGRAM TO BEGIN WITH, BUT THIS NUMBER THEN DOESN'T EVEN RISE TO THE LEVEL OF ME WANTING TO SUPPORT IT. SO I'M GOING TO BE FRANK. CAN I BE FRANK WITH YOU? SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS, BUT REMEMBER FULTON COUNTY, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HOUSING EVERY INMATE. SO I DIDN'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD PAY THAT. THEY'LL JUST GO TO FULTON COUNTY, BECAUSE THAT'S THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO HOUSE EVERY INMATE IS THE FULTON COUNTY JAIL. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS TO HOUSE INMATES. WE JUST MADE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR THEM. BUT THE FULTON COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT HOUSES INMATES. THAT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. SO IT SEEMS LIKE SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT SHOULD BE WITH FULTON COUNTY, WHEREBY THEY RECOGNIZE THEY HAVE THIS CHALLENGE, THIS OVERFLOW CHALLENGE. AND WE SAY TO THEM, THESE CITIES WANT TO USE OUR FACILITIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE CHALLENGES. AND FULTON COUNTY WOULD NEED TO EITHER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE CLAIMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IF THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY THAT FULTON COUNTY'S NOT DELIVERING, WHY THEN WOULD OUR CITY PICK THAT UP? SO I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. I UNDERSTAND THIS COURTESY TO OTHERS. BUT IF OUR FULTON COUNTY GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS PASSING MEGA BUDGETS AND HAS THIS JAIL OVERFLOW PROBLEM, THIS IS A FULTON COUNTY LEVEL ISSUE, NOT AN EASTPOINTE CITY ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENT THAT IT DOESN'T RISE TO THE OCCASION OF SOLVING OUR OWN PROBLEMS. SO WHY WOULD WE SOLVE THE COUNTY'S PROBLEMS AND THAT, AND THEN NOT BE ABLE TO SOLVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS? SO I WON'T ASK FOR A RESPONSE, BUT I'LL YIELD AND SAY THAT MAYBE WE TABLE THIS AND YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER AND AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN GO BACK AND DISCUSS THIS. BUT THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT DOES NOT SEEM TO MATCH THE FULL PICTURE OF WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. COUNCILWOMAN. 
          COMING. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. GOOD MORNING. CHIEF. QUESTION. SO LET'S JUST SAY SO I UNDERSTAND AS FAR AS LIKE ON THE SOUTHERNMOST SIDE OF PART OF TOWN, EAST POINT, WE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE A JAIL. CORRECT. AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU GO UP TO FULTON COUNTY, RICE STREET. CORRECT. SO. LET'S JUST SAY WE SET OUR RATE. IT'S $500. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT IT IS. EITHER THEY CAN TAKE THEM HERE. THEY I MEAN THEY CAN THEY CAN BRING THEM HERE AND PAY THE $500 OR TAKE THEM TO FULTON COUNTY. CORRECT? CORRECT. NOW, IF THEY HAVE AN OVERFLOW ISSUE OR WHATEVER, AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE OVERCROWDED AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE THE PRISONER, DO THEY? BRING THEM BACK HERE? LET'S JUST SAY, OKAY, THE ANSWER IS NO. IF THE AGREEMENT IS YOU PAY THIS OR YOU DON'T UTILIZE THAT FACILITY, THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE THEM AT FULTON COUNTY. THEY'LL HAVE TO TAKE WHAT PROBABLY WILL HAPPEN IF THEY GET RELEASED OR WHAT THEY CALL RELEASE ON YOUR OWN RECOGNIZANCE. THAT'S WHAT PROBABLY WOULD HAPPEN. OKAY, SO IF WE WERE ONLY TO HOUSE JUST EAST POINT INMATES. DOES IT NECESSARILY HELP OR HURT US? I MEAN, IS IT IS IT ANY MORE DETRIMENT TO US THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST LET'S JUST SAY OUR RATE IS 500, EITHER YOU PAY IT OR YOU DON'T PAY IT. WE'LL STILL TAKE OUR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL STILL TAKE THE PEOPLE HERE FROM EAST POINT. SO WOULD WOULD THAT HURT US? I MEAN, IF WE JUST SAY JUST WE JUST SET A NEW RATE AT 500? I MEAN, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TO BE PRACTICAL AND TO. WELL, I WOULD TELL YOU, I HAVEN'T DONE 
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THE NUMBERS LATELY, BUT IT DIDN'T HURT US BEFORE. I WOULD SAY THAT THIS ONLY STARTED AROUND 2015, SO WE NEVER HAVE PRIOR OR PREVIOUSLY HELD ANY OTHER PERSONS INMATES. SO IT HASN'T HURT US BEFORE. AND I WOULD MAKE SOME CHANGES OF COURSE, BECAUSE I CAN. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO UP TO 25 STAFF FOR THE DETENTION CENTER, SO I CAN CUT THAT BACK IMMEDIATELY. SO IT'S UP TO WHATEVER FEE WE WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I DIDN'T CHOOSE 500 BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE AVERAGE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT IF IT'S SO HIGH, THEY MAY SAY, HEY, I'LL JUST GO TO FULTON COUNTY ANYWAY. YES, THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT. I MEAN, JUST WE WOULD I MEAN, WE'LL JUST WE'LL SET OUR RATE, WHATEVER THE RATE IS GOING TO BE. I MEAN, IF NOT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HOUSE EAST POINT INMATES ANYWAY. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND DOING THAT. IF WE, WE HOUSE THE THE EAST POINT INMATES, LIKE I SAID, JUST IT. 
          AND IF THEY DO, IF THEY SO CHOOSE TO BRING THEM HERE, THEY DO. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T. IT'S FINE. YOU JUST YOU PAY WHATEVER OUR RATE IS AND WE JUST GO FROM THERE. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, I GUESS MAKE A MOTION THAT. I'M SORRY, JUST THAT, THAT I GUESS THAT THE, THE POLICE CHIEF, THE CITY MANAGER AND I GUESS THE FINANCE, WHOEVER IT IS, THEY KIND OF COME TOGETHER AND JUST COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE IF IT'S $500 OR WE JUST SAY MAYBE AN OPTION, MAYBE WE'RE JUST ONLY TAKING EAST POINT INMATES MOVING FORWARD, JUST SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS OPPOSED TO I MEAN, YOU CAN INCLUDE $150 IN THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT JUST REALLY TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL AND AND I'M FINE WITH THAT MOTION TO I JUST WANTED TO ASK, LIKE, IF EVERYTHING WAS IDEAL, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PATH FORWARD? LIKE, HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE THE CITY MOVE IN RELATION TO THIS? TWO OPTIONS INCREASE THE FEES TO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE AGREEABLE FOR OTHER AGENCIES TO PAY, OR JUST HAVE THESE FOR INMATES BECAUSE IT IS A IT'S IT'S A LOT WHEN WE TAKE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S LIABILITY. IT IS A LOT. WE SHOULD NOT BE A REGIONAL DETENTION FACILITY AND THAT'S WHAT WE BECOME. WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT CITY AGENCIES. EAST POINT WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT. OUR JAIL WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT. IT WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE EAST POINT INMATES. YEAH. PERIOD. SO I LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS MOTION, AND I WOULD MAYBE JUST HOPE THAT IF THE WHATEVER OPTIONS COME BACK THAT WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION TRUE COST, LIKE $500 MIGHT STILL NOT BE IT BASED ON THE LIABILITY AND THE STAFFING CONCERNS, SO THAT WE CAN TRULY MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IN PLACE OR NOT. AND IF I COULD JUST SAY ONE THING SO I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER WANTS US TO HAVE MORE INMATES AND MORE MONEY, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT OUR JAIL, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE A REGIONAL DETENTION FACILITY, AND THAT'S WHAT IT HAS BECOME WITH ALL THESE CONTRACTS. AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NEED WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO OUR JAIL, BUT WE NEED A LOT OF CHANGES TO BE A REGIONAL DETENTION FACILITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BECOME. WHEN YOU HOUSE FIVE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, INMATES, YOU'RE A REGIONAL DETENTION FACILITY, AND IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED FOR THAT. IT WASN'T BUILT FOR THAT. IT JUST WASN'T. CHIEF, I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU SAID IF WE CHANGE, YOU SAID WASN'T DESIGNED AND IT WASN'T BUILT FOR THAT. BUT THEN YOU KIND OF WENT. SO I SAID, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BANDED RIGHT, IN ORDER FOR THAT TO WAS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMMODATE OKAY. BECAUSE WE WE'RE MAKING CHANGES NOW. ALL THESE CELLS THAT ARE BROKEN IS BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY THAT WE'VE HAD. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A JAIL PEOPLE BREAK CELLS. THEY SET OFF FIRE ALARMS. THEY DO ALL KINDS OF STUFF, THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEVER THINK OF. WE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF FLOODED CELLS. PEOPLE JUST STUFFING TOILET PAPER DOWN THEM. IT WASN'T DESIGNED FOR THIS REGIONAL FACILITY THAT WE'VE BECOME. AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES. SO IF WE DON'T, WE'RE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE IT A LOT OR THOSE THOSE ARE OPTIONS. IT COSTS A LOT TO RUN A JAIL FACILITY. WE HAD BEDBUG PROBLEMS, ALL KIND OF STUFF THAT JUST APPEAR WITH A NUMBER OF INMATES THAT ARE. 
          SO EITHER WE CAN INCREASE THE PRICE TO A FEE THAT THEY ARE PAID OR JUST HAVE THESE THOSE, THOSE ARE MY OPTIONS BECAUSE AND THE CITY MANAGER, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND PUBLIC SAFETY. PUBLIC WORKS IS HELPING US A LOT. BUT IT'S IT'S A LOT. AND JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. HAVE YOU EXPLORED THAT? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ANY NUMBERS UPON. LIKE WHAT. SO WE BOUGHT TO PUT RIGHT NOW, IF I'M 
          [05:45:02]
NOT MISTAKEN, I JUST GOT THE INVOICE THAT'S ABOUT TO BE $100,000 PROJECT JUST TO REPAIR THESE SALES. WE JUST PUT $60,000, JUST PUT $60,000 IN OUR KITCHEN. AND THAT WAS LAST WHAT, LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE JUST REPAIRING ALL THE KITCHEN REPAIRS THAT HAD TO BE MADE. 
          THANK YOU, DOCTOR MARTIN ROGERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS THIS QUESTION IS GOING TO BE FOR TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS ASK, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE FROM, I GUESS, $750 TO 2500. AND THIS QUESTION IS FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE, INCREASING THE FEE FROM $750 TO MAYBE 2500. AND THEN CAN A PORTION GO BACK INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? WELL, THAT'S WHERE IT STAYS, I DO BELIEVE, YES, TO HELP FUND SOME OF THEIR MAINTENANCE ISSUES UNTIL WE CAN HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ON THE BUILDING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION PER SE, BUT FINANCE, YES. THE MONEY THAT THEY COLLECT FROM THE THE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING MARTA, IS ONE OF THE JURISDICTIONS THAT WE HOUSE. IT GOES BACK IN THEIR DEPARTMENT. OKAY. BECAUSE I MEAN, IF COUNCIL IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TO COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS POINT, IT NEEDS TO BE WE TALK ABOUT RETURN. WE TALK ABOUT RETURN ON INVESTMENTS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE A RETURN FOR US IF WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS. AND THAT'S LIKE MAXIMUM RETURN. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD WITH THAT. LIKE WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT WE CAN CHARGE SO THAT IT'S BENEFICIAL TO EASTPOINTE BECAUSE YES, 275 OR $270,000 IS SOMEWHAT BENEFICIAL. BUT WHAT IF WE CAN GET BACK MORE THAN THAT? ALL RIGHT, I'LL YIELD. THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAD DID WE HAVE IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK WITH THE INFORMATION. YEAH. 
          QUESTION. YEAH. AND I WAS I WAS JUST AS I WAS HEARING THE CONVERSATION WHICH WAS GOOD. I THINK THIS KIND OF CONVERSATION IS WHAT WE NEEDED. OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO AT SOME POINT BECOME THE SAME OPTION BECAUSE IF WE CHARGE AND THEY DON'T COME THEN WE. YEAH. THEN WE'RE WE'RE BACK AT OPTION, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'LL JUST DO EASTPOINTE RESIDENTS. SO IT IT DOES GIVE US THE ABILITY TO KIND OF TEST THE MARKET TO SEE WHAT IT WILL BEAR. BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING SOME HARD COST OF SERVICE. AND IT ALSO JUST DAWNED ON ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT'S UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT CERTAINLY CAN BE AN ENTERPRISE AS WELL. SO WE COULD CREATE A JAIL ENTERPRISE. AND THEN THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE REALLY CLEAR. BUT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. WE'LL DEFINITELY GO BACK AND AND LOOK AT WHAT WE COME UP WITH. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE LEAVE IN THAT ANALYSIS, ARE YOU ALSO INCLUDING INDEMNIFICATION? BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE INDEMNIFIED AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LAWSUITS, THEN NO MATTER WHAT WE MAKE AND IT'S GOING TO BE ALL CONSUMED BY A LAWSUIT, THEN WE'RE WORKING BACKWARDS. 
          SO IS IT GOING TO BE A PART? INDEMNIFICATION IS IN THERE. BUT WHAT WHAT CHIEF WAS SAYING IS ACCURATE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE IN OUR FACILITY AND WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON SOPS OF WHAT AND HOW WE HANDLE INMATES WHEN THEY COME INTO OUR OUR POSSESSION. I HATE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE SO. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOME ISSUES THAT THEY CAN'T INDEMNIFY FOR US, BECAUSE NOW WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SAID INDIVIDUAL. SO IN THEIR CURRENT IN THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT IS LANGUAGE THAT SAYS WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF OUR EMPLOYEES, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIRS. IF A LAWSUIT COMES, OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF DISCOVERY OR AN INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WAS IT. SO IF THERE WERE A AN INSURANCE POLICY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET, THAT WAS GINORMOUS. THAT WAS GINORMOUS, AND WE REQUIRED THEM TO PAY INTO THE PREMIUM A PORTION OF THAT PREMIUM, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, THEN WE HAVE A GINORMOUS INSURANCE POLICY. 
          [05:50:01]
OTHERWISE WE ARE WE ARE TAKING THE LIABILITY FOR THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO SHOULDER SOME OF THAT ALSO. SO HERE'S THE THING WE DID BUILD A JAIL YOURSELF. IS THAT BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO BE OVER THE JAIL, THE SERVICE DELIVERY STRATEGY ALLOWS THEM TO GO TAKE THEIR INMATES DOWN THERE WITH THEIR WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS, THAT THEY ARE CITIZENS. CORRECT. MAYBE ALREADY PAYING. I DON'T KNOW IF THE JAIL IS IN SOME SPECIAL TAX DISTRICT WHERE IF UNION CITY USES OR EASTPOINTE FOR THAT MATTER, USES THE FULTON. WE DON'T USE THE FULTON COUNTY JAIL. SO DO OUR CITIZENS PAY LESS FULTON COUNTY TAXES BECAUSE WE PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO OURSELVES? CORRECT. RIGHT. SO NOW YOU'RE GETTING INTO THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT IS COST EFFECTIVE FOR THEM TO PAY INTO THIS GINORMOUS POLICY VERSUS JUST USING THEIR TAX DOLLARS, THEIR MILLAGE THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY ASSESSED AGAINST THEIR CITIZENS AND TAKING THE RIGHT STREET. AND I ALSO HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MADE IT CLEAR. SO WE ALSO USE THE FULTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE HANDLE ALL OUR CITY ORDINANCES AND LOCAL CHARGES. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DON'T GO DOWN THERE. CORRECT. I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID, MAYBE WE DON'T PAY A SMALLER BECAUSE WE STILL USE THEM. I GOT IT, BUT YEAH, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE WAYS WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS. BECAUSE IF WE'RE TAKING ALL THE LIABILITY THERE SHOULDERING NONE OF IT REALLY. SO SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE WILL CONTINUE UNDER THE CURRENT AGREEMENTS UNTIL YOU GUYS MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT TO DO NEXT. THAT'S HOPEFULLY THAT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE UNDER THE CURRENT AGREEMENTS UNTIL THERE'S A DECISION BY THIS BODY ON WHAT TO DO NEXT. NEXT. WE'RE NOT WELL, YOU'LL SEE IT THEN IN APRIL. YEAH OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF. HAVE A GOOD MORNING. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS 
          [IV.20. Discussion and Possible Action on a Proposed Charter Amendment to Authorize Executive Assistant to the Mayor]
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT TO AUTHORIZE EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE SESSION. ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR. DO WE HAVE ANY HANDOUTS FOR THAT? I BELIEVE THIS ITEM COULD BE TABLED PENDING DISCUSSIONS AND EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND MAYBE MOVE TO THE APRIL WORK SESSION. AGENDA. OKAY. WELL, YEAH, I CAN MAKE THE MOTION. I'D I'D LIKE TO I MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM PENDING EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION. YEAH. SECOND. OKAY. 
          TABLING. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? I'M SORRY. 
          DO WE HAVE A. I KNOW I DIDN'T GET EVERYONE SAY I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. HAVE A QUESTION? SO COUNCILMAN FREELY HAS A QUESTION. YEAH. THANKS. SO THE MOTION IS TO TABLE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK OUT AND TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE TONIGHT. OR ARE WE, RATHER THAN JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT TO THE APRIL WHATEVER WORK SESSION, I UNDERSTOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER DEMING'S MOTION WAS TO TABULATE BASED ON DISCUSSIONS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO DEPENDING ON HOW THOSE DISCUSSIONS GO, WE WOULD COME OUT AND TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE. AND AT 230 OR SOMETHING IN THE MORNING, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TO TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE. IF WE PUT ON THE TABLE OFF THE TABLE AND STILL PUT IT IN APRIL, BUT IT'S SOMETHING SHE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO DEAL WITH IT IF IT'S HEALING. YES. OKAY, COOL. SO. 
          IT'S ALREADY BEEN MOTION A SECOND. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE SECOND. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN PUT IT ON THIS END UP OVER. RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT SECOND. I'M NOT GOING TO. THERE MAY BE A DECISION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          AND IF WE DON'T DECIDE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IT HAS TO BE MOVED TO MONDAY. NO I'M SORRY. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR YES WE HAVE ITEMS 21 AND 22. AND ALL OF THE ATTACHMENTS AREN'T WITH THOSE 
          [IV.22. Discussion and Possible Action on Home Rule Charter Amendment for an Internal Auditor Direct Report]
ITEMS. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THAT ITEM 22 BE MOVED TO THE APRIL WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEM SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE ATTACHMENTS THAT RELATE TO THIS ARE IN THE PACKAGE. 
          [IV.21. Discussion and Possible Action on Creation of an Internal Audit Department]
THANK YOU. 21. WE CAN TAKE COMPLETELY OFF. I'D ONLY WANT US TO FOCUS IN ON ITEM NUMBER 
          [05:55:06]
22. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. YES. NO 
          [V. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
ITEMS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. OH NO I HAVE SEVERAL. YOU HAVE SEVERAL. YEAH. OKAY. HOLD ON. 
          MADAM, CAN I JUST GO AROUND THE DECKS? MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, I HAVE TWO LEGAL, ONE PERSONNEL. 
          TWO LEGAL ONE PERSONNEL. OKAY. ONE REAL ESTATE, ONE REAL ESTATE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. 
          COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINS. NO, NOTHING. COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. NO. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER, TWO PERSONNEL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN. ATKINS. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, ONE PERSON. NOW, THAT'S COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, ZERO. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN HEMING. 
          THREE PERSONNEL. COUNCILMAN FREELY. I THINK THAT RELATED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WE WILL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH THREE FIVE, TWO LEGAL, ONE REAL ESTATE, ONE RETAIL, TWO LEGAL RETAIL, NOT RETAIL. REAL ESTATE, WHICH I REAL ESTATE, EIGHT PERSONNEL. PERSONNEL. AND YOU
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