[III.4. Discussion and Possible Action on a Temporary Moratorium on the Permitting, Zoning, and Land Use Approval of New Detention Facilities Not Owned by the City or Fulton County, in Light of the Ongoing Rewrite of the City's Zoning Ordinances]

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON THE PERMITTING ZONING AND LAND USE. APPROVAL OF NEW DETENTION FACILITIES NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OR FULTON COUNTY.

I THINK THIS WAS ALREADY OKAY.

LIGHT AND LIGHT IN LIGHT OF ONGOING REWRITE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCES.

YES. AND THE ONLY REQUEST OF COUNCIL THAT I HAVE WITH THIS IS MOST LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES ARE TAKING A STANCE WITH A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON THE PERMITTING AND ZONING AND LAND USE APPROVAL OF NEW DETENTION FACILITIES.

I DO THINK THAT IN LIGHT OF WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN SOCIAL CIRCLE, I BELIEVE IT IS WHERE AN ENTITY CAME IN, PURCHASED PURCHASED A WAREHOUSE THAT WAS NOT BEING USED. COUNCIL WAS NOT INFORMED ON WHAT THAT WAREHOUSE WAS GOING TO BE UTILIZED FOR, FOR UNTIL INFORMATION CAME DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT THIS IS JUST A REQUEST OF COUNCIL.

MANY MUNICIPALITIES HAVE INSTITUTED A MORATORIUM.

SO THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL IS TO FORMALLY DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AND PRESENT A LEGALLY SOUND TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ORDINANCE ON THE PERMITTING ZONING AND LAND USE APPROVALS FOR NEW DETENTION FACILITIES, OR THAT SHOULD BE ANY FACILITY NOT OWNED OR OPERATED BY THE CITY OR FULTON COUNTY.

AND THE DIRECTIVE SHOULD ALSO REQUEST THAT THE ORDINANCE INCLUDE CLEAR FINDINGS OF NECESSITY TIED TO THE ONGOING ZONING ORDINANCE.

REWRITE A DEFINED DURATION WITH AN OPTION FOR EXTENSION IF NEEDED, AND ANY APPROPRIATE EXCEPTIONS OR SAFEGUARDS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAWS AND THE CITY CHARTER. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING ON JUNE 15TH TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO COME BACK WITH A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS FOR BRINGING THIS TO TO US.

I WOULD ALSO INCLUDE PROPERTIES OWNED BY FULTON COUNTY.

BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO.

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HELP THEIR, THEIR JAIL SYSTEM.

AND I WOULD WANT TO PROTECT EASTPOINT FROM THOSE DECISIONS.

SO IT SAID NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OR FULTON COUNTY.

OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE SO WHERE IT SAYS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OR FULTON COUNTY.

YOU WANT TO INCLUDE FULTON COUNTY IN THAT PART? YEAH. CORRECT. RIGHT. I'M IN COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS.

YES. FOR THE REQUEST, I BELIEVE THAT IT SAYS NOT OWNED OR OPERATED BY THE CITY OR FULTON COUNTY.

SO IT SAYS THAT IN THE REQUEST.

SO WE CAN MOVE IT AND DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEEN OKAY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT TO THE JUNE 15TH REGULAR MEETING.

AND THEN DIRECTOR, CITY ATTORNEY WITH THAT, ANY THIS INFORMATION OR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. NEXT ITEM FIVE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT SERVICES

[III.5. Discussion Regarding the Emergency Procurement Services for a Financial Consultant to Assist with the FY 2027 East Point Budget (Part 1 of 2)]

FOR FINANCIAL CONSULTANT TO ASSIST IN THE FY2027 EAST POINT BUDGET.

THAT'S ME. OH, YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK UP BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON WHY COUNCIL REQUESTED THIS REVIEW IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SEVERAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE FY 27 BUDGET, FELT THAT AND FELT THAT AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY COULD HELP PROVIDE US WITH ADDITIONAL CLARITY AND CONFIDENCE AROUND SOME OF THE NUMBERS, ASSUMPTIONS AND JUST THE OVERALL FINANCIAL PICTURE.

AND IF INDEPENDENCE IS TRULY OUR GOAL, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AT MULTIPLE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES RATHER THAN AUTOMATICALLY SELECTING SOMEONE BASED ON AN EXISTING RELATIONSHIP THAT'S FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY.

SO WHILE I APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED SUGGESTED, I DO BELIEVE IT'S OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY THAT WE FIND SOMEONE WITH A STRONG MUNICIPAL BUDGETING AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE EXPERIENCE.

EXPERIENCE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

I DO HAVE A FEW CONCERNS WITH OR, YOU KNOW, RELYING ON A FREE REVIEW.

I THINK THE BUDGET IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE AS COUNCIL.

AND I THINK IT DESERVES A THOUGHTFUL AND THOROUGH ANALYSIS FROM SOMEONE WITH DIRECT EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA.

I DID TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND I FOUND A FEW CANDIDATES THAT WE CAN CONSIDER. ONE WORTH CONSIDERING IS MR. CHARLES BELL. HE'S A FORMER BUDGET CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF ATLANTA.

HE SPENT MORE THAN 30 YEARS MANAGING BUDGETS MANAGING AND DEVELOPING BUDGETS, PROVIDING FINANCIAL FORECASTING, CAPITAL PLANNING AND JUST WOULD BE A GREAT CANDIDATE TO CONSIDER.

ANOTHER LARRY SPRING, HE IS A CPA.

HE'S PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS THE CFO AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF NORTH MIAMI.

AND HE DEFINITELY HAS AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN MUNICIPAL BUDGETING AND FORECASTING.

OF COURSE, THESE ARE SUGGESTIONS.

THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT INDIVIDUALS, BUT THEY ARE EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF EXPERIENCE I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD BE CONSIDERING. AND SO MY ASK IS THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER HEARING DIRECTLY FROM THESE INDIVIDUALS OR CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FINAL SELECTION. I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, BY DOING THIS, IT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE OR COMPARE QUALIFICATIONS, EXPERIENCE SCOPE OF WORK AND ALLOW US TO MAKE A WILL TO FORM A WELL INFORMED DECISION.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE TIMING COMPONENT.

SO IF IT IS A CONCERN I WOULD SUPPORT A SPECIAL CALL MEETING SO THAT WE COULD HEAR FROM THESE CANDIDATES, ASK ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO YOU, MR. BELL, AND SOMEONE IN FOR DISCUSSION.

GO AHEAD. YEAH. NOT REAL SURE, BUT OUR LAST MEETING THE CITY MANAGER GOT THE

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AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WE'VE ALREADY CONTRACTED WITH PLANTE MORAN TO PROVIDE THOSE EMERGENCY SERVICES.

WAS THERE A MOTION FOR THAT OR A VOTE? BECAUSE I ALSO MADE A SUGGESTION THAT WE WE LOOK INTO OTHER SOURCES SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TO HAVE AN UNBIASED SOURCE.

TO MY RECOLLECTION, THERE WAS.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK WITH THE CITY CLERK TO GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON THAT.

YEAH, WE PROBABLY DO, BECAUSE I REMEMBER YOU SAYING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MEET WITH THEM TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY COULD PROVIDE, BUT THERE WAS NO DIRECTIVE TO SECURE A DEAL WITH THEM OR TO SELECT THEM.

SO IT WAS INFORMATION GATHERING AT BEST.

I THINK THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT THAT WAS APPROVED.

AND SO EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT WE CAN ASK THE CONTRACT AND PROCUREMENT, BUT TYPICALLY THAT THAT MEANS WHOEVER WE CAN GET UNDER EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND I THINK WE CLEARLY HAD SAID WE HAD A PRE ENGAGEMENT WITH PLANTE MORAN WITH SOME FUNDING THAT WAS ALREADY WITHIN THE LAST CONTRACT THAT COULD BE USED TOWARDS THAT.

SO IF IF THERE'S ANY CONFUSION, I CAN ASK THE CONTRACT PROCUREMENT INTERIM DIRECTOR TO PROVIDE ANY CLARIFICATIONS.

AND I DO REMEMBER THAT THIS WASN'T A SINGLE SOURCE.

AND SO THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO STILL GO OUT AND AT LEAST CONNECT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

DO YOU CONNECT WITH ANYONE OUTSIDE OF PLANT MORAN THAT WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING RELATIONSHIP WITH? SO I'LL ASK THE CONTRACT PROCUREMENT TO CLARIFY ON THAT.

OKAY. ONE SECOND. SO WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS AND THEN.

YOU HAD A QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL COME TO YOU, SIR. WAIT A MINUTE.

NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD.

PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THESE COMMENTS REFLECT THIS.

AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED THE MOTION, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHERE WE'RE FALLING SHORT IS WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED TWO BUDGETS.

THE FIRST BUDGET MISSED QUITE A BIT OF ACCOUNT NUMBERS.

AND THE SECOND BUDGET I ADDRESSED IN THE LAST MEETING WITH INCONSISTENCIES, ESPECIALLY DEALING WITH PAGE 105, THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET.

I BELIEVE AT THIS JUNCTURE, IF IT IS AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THE DIRECTIVE WAS TO GO GET PLANT MORAN BECAUSE WE HAD A $25,000 CREDIT.

WE ARE ASKING FOR THESE THINGS BECAUSE OF THE INCONSISTENCIES IN WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL. AND I ALSO WANT TO READ THIS INTO THE RECORD PLANT.

MORAN IS ONE OF THE NATION'S LARGEST PUBLIC ACCOUNTING, TAX CONSULTING AND WEALTH MANAGEMENT FIRMS. PLANT MORAN DID DO AN AUDIT FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT, BUT AT THIS JUNCTURE, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US AS A COUNCIL TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE ENTITY LOOK AT OUR BUDGET AND HELP US THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WHAT I WANT TO ALSO GO ON RECORD AND SAY IS THAT IT WAS GOING TO ALSO BE MY SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE THE BUDGET COMMITTEE CHAIR AND OUR MAYOR REACH OUT TO G.

M A AS ANOTHER OPTION FOR SOMEONE TO ASSIST WITH THIS BUDGET.

AND THEN THAT COUNCIL HAVE SOMEONE REPORT TO THEM AS AN ADDITIONAL SET OF EYES ON THIS BUDGET. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS AND WHAT TRANSPIRED IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT ON FRIDAY, WE NO LONGER HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAS THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF OUR FINANCES, AND THAT POSES A PROBLEM FOR ME AS SOMEONE WHO WAS ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE TO LOOK OUT FOR THEIR BETTER INTEREST.

SO I NEED THAT ON THE RECORD.

DEPUTY CITY CLERK, AS I STATED, AND I'LL YIELD AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN ATKINS AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL.

YEAH. I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GO TO MR. LAWRENCE FIRST.

I'M HAPPY TO YIELD TO HIM.

OKAY. MR. LAWRENCE, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

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CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE QUESTION IS FOR MR. LAWRENCE BEFORE WE. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? I THINK CITY MANAGER. MR. CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU STATE AND CLARIFY WHAT THE QUESTION IS FOR MR. LAWRENCE. QUESTION WAS ASKED TO THE SINGLE SOURCE NATURE OF THE PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR.

SO THE SO THE EMERGENCY EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT.

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU ALL VOTED ON WAS FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD IN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT.

AND, AND MOVING FORWARD WITH EMERGENCY EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, WE GET TO, AS A, I DON'T WANT TO SAY STAFF, BUT AS A CITY TO CHOOSE, AS HE SAID EARLIER, WHO'S CONVENIENT? ALL RIGHT. AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAD THE BACKGROUND.

I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE PLANTE MORAN IS JUST DOING THE AUDIT.

THEY DID THE FORENSIC AUDIT FOR THE CITY.

SO IF ANYONE'S QUALIFIED TO ACTUALLY DO THE TASK THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, I WOULD THINK PLANTE MORAN IS DEFINITELY THE MOST QUALIFIED FOR THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YES. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT MY QUESTIONS MAINLY HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.

I THINK PRIOR TO THE CITY MANAGER GOING IN IT WAS MY RECOLLECTION THAT I GUESS TWO MINUTES AT OUR WHAT ARE WE. LAST MONDAY.

I'M CONFUSED ON THE THOUGH THERE WAS A SPECIAL CALL IN BETWEEN THAT THE BODY GAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT.

I WAS NOT AT THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING, BUT I WAS ABLE TO VIEW THAT AND I THOUGHT THAT TO COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS POINT THAT MR. WELD WAS THE GMA RECOMMENDATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? MR.. MR. WALL, I'M SORRY THAT MR..

WALL WAS THE GMA RECOMMENDATION, AND I DID ALSO REMEMBER CONVERSATION ABOUT IF THAT PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION WAS A SUBSTITUTION OR AN.

IN ADDITION TO. SO I HEARD THAT IT WAS NOT IN LIEU OF.

BUT IT WAS IN. IN ADDITION TO.

AND THAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT THAT THE BODY HAD ALREADY AUTHORIZED.

SO I THOUGHT THAT MR. WAHL WAS THE GMA RECOMMENDATION, AND THE CITY WOULD ALSO STILL MOVE FORWARD.

SO THERE WOULD BE TWO SORT OF ENTITIES LOOKING AT THIS TO COME BACK TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED BY COUNCIL.

THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING HAD CHANGED BETWEEN THAT MEETING AND, AND THIS ONE. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO.

I CAN GIVE AN UPDATE, BUT I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IF THAT'S THE CASE. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT NO, HE WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BY GMA.

SO THAT WAS NOT A GEORGIA MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDATION.

IT WAS NOT. AND MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY, THE MAYOR OF COLLEGE PARK IS THE PRESIDENT OF GMA. AND SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR MAYOR WENT TO THE PRESIDENT OF GMA FOR THE RECOMMENDATION, AND THE PRESIDENT OF GMA MADE THE RECOMMENDATION. AND SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IS THAT SHE IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

BUT ELECTED OFFICIALS ALSO WEAR OTHER HATS AND ARE PART OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

AND SO HER ROLE AS THE MAYOR OF COLLEGE PARK IS BUT ONE OF THOSE.

SHE IS ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF GMA.

AND THAT'S IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. WALL IS A RECOMMENDED ENTITY FROM THE GMA BY THE PRESIDENT OF GMA.

AMEN. ALL RIGHT. SO WE COUNCILMAN.

THANK YOU. AND HERE'S MY CONCERN.

CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS VERBATIM IN THE MINUTES.

THE CONCERN EXISTS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL ADVISORY FIRM THROUGH A SEPARATE CONSULTING ENGAGEMENT OR WITHOUT COMPENSATION.

THE UNDERLYING ACTIVITIES REMAIN THE SAME.

THE INDIVIDUAL IS STILL A REGISTERED MUNICIPAL ADVISOR, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEING MADE BY SAID ADVISOR MAY DIRECTLY AFFECT FUTURE BORROWING NEEDS. DEBT CAPACITY, RESERVE LEVELS, CAPITAL PLANNING DECISIONS AND OTHER MATTERS THAT ULTIMATELY INFLUENCE MUNICIPAL SECURITIES TRANSACTIONS AND MUNICIPAL FINANCIAL PRODUCTS.

PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT AS IT RELATES TO MR. ED WAHL. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL.

SURE. SO THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, WE NEVER MADE A MOTION ON PLANT.

MORAN. THAT WAS A SUGGESTION.

WE MADE A MOTION FOR EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT.

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THE CITY MANAGER MADE A SUGGESTION TO GO WITH PLANTE MORAN BECAUSE OF AN EXISTING RELATIONSHIP AND BECAUSE WE HAD A CREDIT OR UNUSED DOLLARS WITH THEM.

AND I THINK AS COUNCIL WE HAVE TO DECIDE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A TIME CONSTRAINT HERE.

I DID SPEAK WITH AT LEAST ONE OF THE SUGGESTED PEOPLE THAT THAT'S THAT, THAT I'M SUGGESTING AND THEY ARE AWARE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS AND, AND WILLING TO WORK WITHIN THOSE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE TIMING IS AN ISSUE.

AS COUNCIL, WE REALLY JUST NEED TO DECIDE, ARE WE DOING THIS FOR CONVENIENCE AND FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, OR ARE WE DOING THIS FROM AN EXPERTISE PERSPECTIVE? I PERSONALLY BELIEVE. PLANTE MORAN IT'S A, IT'S A, THEY MAY BE, THEY MAY HAVE SOME QUALIFICATIONS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING RELATIONSHIP, IT IS NOT A FRESH PAIR OF EYES.

IT'S NOT AN IT'S NOT AN UNBIASED PARTNERSHIP.

AND I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER THIS.

AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING THIS TO THE MONDAY MEETING AND TAKING A VOTE.

IT'S NOT COMPLETE. SO WE HAVE TIME.

AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER ALL, ALL OPTIONS.

OKAY. AND WE ARE ON COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. YES.

THANK YOU. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THE MOTION AT THE LAST MEETING WAS TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT OF THE SERVICES.

AND BY DEFINITION, THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT PUTS THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE CITY MANAGER TO FIND THAT PERSON BECAUSE IT IS AN EMERGENCY THAT THEY WILL GO AND FIND WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S IT'S AVAILABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE SPENT.

ET CETERA. ET CETERA. AND SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEEN DONE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF IF KIND OF BERATING THE POINT OF TRYING TO HANDPICK A PARTICULAR COMPANY IS GOING TO BE REALLY WHAT THAT MOTION WAS ABOUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THE MOTION WAS ALREADY AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAVE BEEN PURSUING THAT PER WHAT THE MOTION STATED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER AND CAN WE FOR THE RECORD, SHOULD WE HAVE THE MOTION STATED SO WE CAN CONFIRM WHAT THE MOTION WAS BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE SOME DEBATE FROM.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE MOTION FROM THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING ON JUNE 20TH JUNE.

WHAT WAS WHAT WAS JUNE'S DATE? OH. SO RIGHT. SO WE HAD ON JUNE THE 1ST.

YES. SO WE HAD A MEETING ON JUNE THE 1ST.

CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM WITH THE MINUTES STATED FOR THAT WHETHER THE MOTION PASSED AND WHAT WAS THE THE MOTION. JUST TO CONFIRM.

THAT IN THE PACKAGE.

COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS AND I'LL YIELD.

I THINK IT'S IT'S UP TO, TO US TO KIND OF MAKE A DECISION HERE.

WE DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW MORE THAN ONE PERSON.

AND SO PART OF AND THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING PROBLEMATIC. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND PUT SOME OF IT ON THE RECORD.

PART OF THIS, THE REASON FOR THIS REVIEW IS BECAUSE OF THAT LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, WHICH IS A BUDGET THAT THE CITY MANAGER OWNS.

AND SO I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FINDING THE COMPANY THAT IS GOING TO REVIEW HIS WORK.

I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE AN UNBIASED, FRESH SET OF EYES THAT COMES IN TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE RAISED.

WE VOTED ON WE WANT TO GET A RESPONSE BACK ON, AND THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

AND SO I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO DO THIS IN THE RIGHT WAY.

TRANSPARENCY IS KEY. AND HAVING THAT FRESH SET OF EYES ALLOWS US TO DO IT.

I ASKED FOR US TO FIND THESE, FIND OTHER UNBIASED OR JUST COMPANIES THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH.

BUT THAT REQUEST WENT NOWHERE.

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AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE GONE OUT TO FIND THESE ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY CONSIDER. BUT I'LL WAIT FOR THE MOTION.

OKAY. SO COUNCIL, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS PROCUREMENT AND IT'S EMERGENCY, I KNOW WE PASSED THE PREVIOUS MOTION.

SCRATCH THAT FROM THE RECORD. IS THERE A MOTION TONIGHT FOR COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL? DO YOU WANT TO STATE WHAT YOUR MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL EMERGENCY? I MEAN DO YOU WANT TO DO A MOTION THAT.

BECAUSE OF THE THE NATURE OF HOW QUICKLY WE MUST TURN THIS AROUND.

AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE DOWN.

A FEW. I MEAN, MY ASS TONIGHT WAS THAT WE CONSIDER HEARING DIRECTLY FROM ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FINAL SELECTION.

OKAY. THAT THAT CAN REPORT TO COUNCIL.

OKAY. SO FOR THE MOTION TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS FROM A THIRD PARTY FOR THE MOTION, EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT SERVICES FOR FINANCIAL CONSULTANT TO ASSIST WITH THE FY 2027 EASTPOINTE BUDGET. WHAT? I'M ABOUT TO SAY I'M DISCUSSION.

GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY PROCUREMENT STANDARDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER CAN EXPOUND ON THAT.

BUT JUST IN CASE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

AND I WISH OUR CITY ATTORNEY WAS HERE, BUT SHE'S NOT.

IN REGARDS TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, THE IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE EMERGENCY ROUTE AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN THE HANDS OF THE CITY MANAGER, AS WE THOUGHT YOU HAD ALREADY DONE, WE'RE GOOD.

IF YOU'RE TURNING AROUND AND YOU'RE VOTING AS A COUNCIL SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO CHOOSE WHOM YOU WANT. IT'S UP TO YOU ALL.

SO YOU'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY RULES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

I'LL ASK A QUESTION OF THE PROCUREMENT PERSON.

OKAY, SO WE'RE ON ROUND TWO.

DO WE WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION ONLINE OR DO YOU WANT TO ASK IT OFFLINE OR BECAUSE IT'D BE NICE ONLINE, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU.

OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL.

SOME CLARIFICATION NEEDED.

FROM MY LAST UNDERSTANDING WE WERE GOING.

THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT PROVIDED BY MR. WALL WAS WAS GIVEN. IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL WANT OR NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES OR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND PROVIDE THEM, THAT'S FINE.

BUT IN TERMS OF TERM TIME I GUESS WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE TIMING WOULD BE ON THAT.

I KNOW WE HAVE A DEADLINE OF JUNE 30TH TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN MARTIN ROGERS.

ALL RIGHT. YES. AND I'VE HEARD THAT WE HAVE A DEADLINE.

WE DO NOT WE DO NOT HAVE A DEADLINE OF JUNE 30TH TO PASS THE BUDGET.

IN THE PAST, ONE GROUP OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WAITED A COUPLE OF MONTHS UNTIL THE BUDGET WAS UNDER WRAPS, AND THINGS WERE IN THE BUDGET THAT THEY FELT NEEDED TO BE IN THE BUDGET. SO I DON'T WANT THAT PUT OUT THAT WE HAVE A DEADLINE OF JUNE 30TH OR JULY 1ST TO PASS A BUDGET. WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED IS EGREGIOUS IN NATURE, AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LAST MEETING, I RAN DOWN PAGE BY PAGE, LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, AND WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE COME IN AND LOOK AT THE BUDGET, ESPECIALLY BASED UPON FRIDAY'S EVENTS.

THE PERSON THAT HAD THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE BUDGET IS NO LONGER HERE.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM? AND I AM NOT CONFIDENT IN WHAT HAS BEEN PRINTED, WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $197 MILLION BUDGET.

WE NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK AND TRIPLE CHECK IN ANOTHER LAYER.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT IS TO HAVE OUR BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON, ALONG WITH THE MAYOR, FIND THREE MORE ENTITIES THAT COULD POSSIBLY COME IN AND ASSIST WITH THE BUDGET.

I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH HAVING A SECOND LOOK AT THE BUDGET.

WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED TWICE.

TWICE WITH INFORMATION THAT IS JUST IT'S EGREGIOUS.

IT'S A FINANCIAL TRAVESTY.

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I'LL YIELD. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL COUNCILMAN ADKINS AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL AND COUNCIL, WE ARE ON ROUND THREE OF THIS DISCUSSION.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IN TOTALITY FOR SOME PEOPLE FOR IT'S ROUND FOUR.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO WE HAVE.

SO IS IT POSSIBLE WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT SO THAT.

TO THE MARCHING ORDERS NOW, AND I CAN REPRESENT WHAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM MR. WALL. AND IF WE WANT ADDITIONAL PROCUREMENT FOR EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, THEN COUNCILMAN MITCHELL AND THE CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.

POINT OF ORDER, MADAM MAYOR. YES.

RULE 15. WHAT'S THE RULE? THAT'S AGENDA ITEMS. COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

PROVIDED THE ITEM HAS FIRST BEEN TO A WORK SESSION OR PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AT A PRIOR COUNCIL MEETING, AND ALL ASSOCIATED WORK WAS SUBMITTED AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE BY THE ESTABLISHED DEADLINE FOR RECEIVING INFORMATION.

THESE ARE AGENDA ITEMS, MADAM MAYOR, AND I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. WE'VE BEEN ELECTED TO DO THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF GET DISCOURAGED WHEN I HEAR, CAN WE JUST MOVE ON? WE'RE DOING THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS AND THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

I JUST GOT A NOTE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT SHE IS NOT FAR.

SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IF SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE HELD TILL SHE GETS HERE, THERE'S A THERE'S THAT POSSIBILITY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. WE CAN COUNCIL WE CAN TABLE THIS DISCUSSION AND BRING IT BACK UNTIL THE CITY ATTORNEY. ARRIVES AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.

BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION THAT'S NEEDED.

OKAY. IS OKAY. SO COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOR SPECIAL CALL BUDGET

[III.6. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Special Called Budget Meeting]

MEETING ITEM NUMBER SIX.

YES. AS I STATED IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THE REGULAR MEETING THAT WAS HELD BACK IN JUNE, THAT MEETING WAS HELD ON JUNE 1ST.

COUNCIL HAS NOT BEEN AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND GIVE MR. REDMOND JONES WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE BUDGET AT THIS TIME.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS FOR THAT GOOGLE DOCUMENT THAT SHE SHARED WITH WHERE THAT $443,000 SHOULD BE ALLOCATED TO.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON A SPECIAL CALL BUDGET MEETING SO THAT WE CAN SAY SO THAT WE CAN PRETTY MUCH RECONCILE THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US. THE THINGS THAT I SAW IN THE BUDGET, THE EDUCATION, TRAVEL AND TRAINING, THE SALARY WAGES, INCREASED CAR ALLOWANCES THOSE THINGS, I THINK THAT COUNCIL, WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES AND THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALL BUDGET MEETING IN WHICH WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET AND SAY, YES, WE WOULD LIKE THIS PROGRAM FUNDED.

YES, PLEASE TAKE THIS OUT.

AND I BELIEVE IN THE LAST BUDGET MEETING, THE REQUEST WAS MADE THAT THE BUDGET NEEDS TO BE ITEMIZED. IT LOOKS LIKE AND AS I SAID ON RECORD BEFORE, I'M MAKING $42,000 A YEAR.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE RUNNING TOGETHER.

WILL TWO LINE ITEMS WHERE IT APPEARS THAT I'M MAKING $42,000.

BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALL BUDGET MEETING FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY PURPOSES. SO THAT IS WHY THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA.

WE CAN PUT SOME DATES OUT THERE NOW FOR A SPECIAL CALL MEETING.

BUT I WILL ALSO LIKE THIS ITEM PLACED ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN VOTE IT UP OR DOWN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, DO CAN YOU PLEASE ADD THAT TO. THE JUNE 15TH MEETING FOR VOTE OF COUNCIL TO SELECT A DATE AND AGENDA FOR THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING TO DISCUSS THE.

ARE WE TALKING IS IT THE 2027 OR DO YOU WANT IT ALL? WHICH WHAT IN PARTICULAR COUNCIL AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SPECIAL CALL BUDGET MEETING.

SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DATE AND WHAT DO YOU WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DATE FOR THE SPECIAL CALL 2027, RECONCILIATION OF THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET, THE EASTPOINTE BUDGET, AND WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE BUDGET AS A COUNCIL. I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS ALREADY SHARED A GOOGLE DRIVE DOCUMENT WITH US. I THINK YOU CALLED IT A WISH LIST COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS OR SHE SHARED A DOCUMENT WITH COUNCIL, BUT I THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR

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FROM US IN REGARDS TO THIS BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO DO YOU HAVE THAT? THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL, WE ARE NOW ON THE NEW AGENDA ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RESOLUTION FOR THE

[IV.7. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Resolution for the Definition of Single Source Within the Ordinance]

DETENTION. DEFINITION OF SINGLE SOURCE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.

CONTRACT AND PROCUREMENT.

I'M SORRY CITY MANAGER.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. COUNCIL. I'LL HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF CONTRACT, OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR OF CONTRACT AND PROCUREMENT TO COME UP AND PRESENT THIS ITEM.

OKAY. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, CAN WE CONFIRM WHAT THE ASK IS TO COUNCIL TONIGHT FOR THIS OR THE.

GO AHEAD. YES, MADAM MAYOR.

THE ASS ORIGINALLY WAS TO FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE A CONCISE DEFINITION OF SINGLE SOURCE FOR THE ORDINANCE. THE LAST TIME THAT WE SPOKE OF THIS YOU ALL DIRECTED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ADD OTHER ITEMS TO IT, INCLUDING MYSELF.

ADD SOMETHING TO IT. WE DID THAT, SUBMITTED IT, AND WE'RE PRESENTING IT BACK TO YOU ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

OKAY. SO YOUR ASK IS THAT WE NEED TO CONFIRM OR APPROVE THE UPDATED ORDINANCE WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.

CORRECT. OKAY. WHEN IS THE DEADLINE TO HAVE THAT DONE? DO WE HAVE A DEADLINE FOR THAT? WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU ALL TO PUT THIS INTO CONSENT TONIGHT. THIS IS ONE OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESSES THAT WE UTILIZE.

AND BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT TRUE DEFINITION, WE HAVE KIND OF TABLED IT.

SO WE WOULDN'T GO AGAINST WHAT COUNCIL ADVISES.

SO AS SOON AS YOU ALL APPROVE IT OR EXCUSE ME, MOVE IT TO CONSENT NEXT WEEK, APPROVE IT.

WE'LL CONTINUE UTILIZING.

OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS YES, AND AS I STATED BEFORE, AND I'M GOING TO GO ON THE RECORD AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN GUYS SHOW UP IN BUDGETS.

I'VE SEEN IT SHOW UP IN OTHER PRESENTATIONS, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A BACK DOOR WAY OF GETTING THE TAX COLLECTION SERVICE INTO THE CITY WITHOUT FOLLOWING AN APPROPRIATE PROCESS. I THOUGHT THAT WE DISCUSSED.

I KNOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS OUTSOURCED AGAIN, BECAUSE THE RFP THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT PRESENTED TO US WAS 17 YEARS OLD.

AND SO A FEW ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS, AND THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO CONSIDER IS IF THIS PASSES, IT NEEDS TO BE A DOLLAR THRESHOLD NOT OVER $25,000.

AND IT SHOULD ALSO BE QUARTERLY REPORTING TO COUNCIL.

SO DEPARTMENTS CANNOT REPEATEDLY USE THIS QUIETLY.

IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY AUTO RENEWALS WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATION.

INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF LEGAL OR FINANCE FOR HIGH DOLLAR CONTRACTS IN MANDATORY MARKET PRICING DOCUMENTATION, AND IT SHOULD ALSO BE A SUNSET CLAUSE REQUIRING REEVALUATION AFTER A SET PERIOD.

BUT I SAID THAT I WAS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE TAX COLLECTION ENTITY THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US, BECAUSE THAT RFP WAS 17 YEARS OLD.

I JUST CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE AND THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY, I JUST CANNOT APPROVE THIS AS IT IS WRITTEN NOW.

AND AFTER DOING ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, IT ALSO STATED THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE AN OBJECTIVE REQUIREMENTS AND APPROVAL LAYERS AND DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS AND LIMITATIONS. SO I WANTED TO JUST GO ON RECORD WITH THAT, BUT I'LL PULL MY PREVIOUS STATEMENTS FOR MONDAY AND SAY WHY I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN, IF I MAY RESPOND THE SINGLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT IS PART OF THE PROCESS AS FAR AS THE GSS, BECAUSE YOU THREW ME FOR A LOOP WHEN YOU SAID GSS GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS, PER YOUR REQUEST, WE PUT THAT BACK OUT FOR SOLICITATION.

SO WE DIDN'T UTILIZE THE SINGLE SOURCE BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO DEFINE THIS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. SO AGAIN WE TABLED THIS PROCESS.

SO WE PUT THAT OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION WHICH IS ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT ANYTHING TO GET ANYONE ANYWHERE. AGAIN, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE SOURCE IS THE JUSTIFICATION.

A JUSTIFICATION THAT IS NOT ONLY FILED AWAY IS OPEN FOR OPEN RECORDS.

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SO THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS, AGAIN, AS I STATED BEFORE, ORDINANCE DOESN'T CONTRADICT ORDINANCE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THIS TO YOU. IF IT'S OVER 25,000 WE WOULD HAVE TO GET ALL THE APPROVALS THAT WE HAVE, THE INTERNAL APPROVALS THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO THIS IS, AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALIZED THAT IT WAS NOT CLEARLY DEFINED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AS THE SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT WAS.

AND AGAIN, TO STRENGTHEN THIS.

OH, GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN ATKINS WAS IN.

AFTER YOU. GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN ATKINS, PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU, MR. LAWRENCE.

WHAT I WOULD ASK NOW THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE THERE IS A RED LINE OF THIS ORDINANCE. AND JUST FOR THE EDIFICATION OF OUR VIEWING PUBLIC AND ALSO FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE DEALS WITH TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROCUREMENT PROCESSES, ONE OF WHICH IS A SINGLE SOURCE AND ONE IS, WHICH IS A, ONE OF WHICH IS A SOLE SOURCE.

AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE GO OVER THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF A SINGLE SOURCE AND A SOLE SOURCE AND INSTANCES WHERE THOSE WOULD BE USED BY MUNICIPALITIES.

PLEASE. MADAM MAYOR, SHOULD I GO NOW? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. GOOD EVENING.

FIRST, I JUST WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK REALLY QUICKLY AND TO ADDRESS SOME OF COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS. ROGERS, I CAN'T SAY YOUR LAST NAME.

ROGERS. CONCERNS. AND YOU AS WELL.

COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

SO IF YOU REMEMBER THAT PRIOR TO THE RED LINE, WE IN THE ORDINANCE HAVE A REFERENCE TO SINGLE AND SOLE SOURCE.

BUT THERE WAS NEVER A DEFINITION FOR SINGLE SOURCE.

AND SO THE GOAL WAS THAT IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO USE THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS OF SINGLE SOURCE, WE SHOULD DEFINE IT, RIGHT? AND SO THE WHOLE THING ABOUT WHAT COUNCILMAN MARTIN ROGERS IS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN THE GUY CAME UP THE FIRST TIME, THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD AVOID THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS BECAUSE IT WAS A SINGLE SOURCE.

AND SO THAT CONVERSATION WENT BACK AND FORTH, AND IT WAS DECIDED TO NOT PURSUE IT AS SINGLE SOURCE BECAUSE OF THE AGE, BECAUSE OF THE WE BID IT THE FIRST TIME, ALBEIT AS, AS MENTIONED 17 YEARS AGO.

AND SO IT DID NOT SEEM TRANSPARENT AND CLEAR TO PURSUE IT UNDER SINGLE SOURCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT DEFINED IT. AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS THE FIRST TIME.

SO THE DRAFT THAT'S IN THE BOOK DISTINGUISHES THE SOLE SOURCE FROM THE SINGLE SOURCE.

SO SOLE SOURCE IS IS ONLY ONE ENTITY THAT DOES IT.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SOLE SOURCE WHEREIN NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS TYPE OF WORK OR PROVIDES THIS TYPE OF GOOD OR SERVICE.

AND SO THE RESEARCH THAT WOULD HAD TO BE DONE BY PROCUREMENT AND THOSE TYPE OF CONTRACTS WOULD HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN THINGS TO PROVE, RIGHT, THAT THIS IS THE ONLY BUSINESS OUT THERE THAT DOES THIS.

THERE'S NO NEED TO COMPETITIVELY BID IT.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY BIDS EXCEPT FROM THIS ONE PERSON SINGLE SOURCE.

THERE COULD BE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DO IT, BUT BASED ON THE SPECIFICITY OR THE PARTICULARS OF WHAT WE'RE PROCURING, THAT THERE IS ONE SOURCE THAT CAN DO IT.

WE TALKED ABOUT AN EXAMPLE WITH THE PATH PROJECT.

THANK YOU. THEY OWN THE PROPERTY.

THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT. AND SO IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THEM TO CONTINUE WITH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DESIGN, THE CONSTRUCTION AS A SINGLE SOURCE TYPE PROCUREMENT. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

IF THE COUNCIL IS NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH PASSING THIS ORDINANCE, AT THE VERY LEAST, THOUGH, WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE ORDINANCE FROM WHERE WE MENTION SINGLE, BUT WE DON'T DEFINE IT.

SO AT THE VERY LEAST, I WOULD ASK THERE BE SOME ATTENTION AROUND MAKING SURE THE ORDINANCE IS CLEAR THAT SOLE AND SINGLE ARE NOT THE SAME, AND RIGHT NOW THEY OCCUPY THE SAME CODE SECTION.

SO, MADAM ATTORNEY, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, A DEFINED TERM AND REMOVE AS MUCH OF THE GRAY AND THE GUESSING AS IT RELATES TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

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AND THEN UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO USE EITHER OF THOSE.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I YIELD. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL.

YES. AS COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS JUST MENTIONED, I DEFINITELY WANT US TO REMOVE THE GRAY AREA.

I'M STILL NOT SEEING THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, THOUGH.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COME UP FOR QUESTION FOR ME, SUCH AS WHEN WE HAVE WORDS IN THERE, LIKE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY, LIKE THE, THE, THIS SOURCE WOULD HAVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY.

HOW ARE WE DEFINING THAT? LIKE THAT SEEMS TO BE VERY BROAD.

SO HOW DO WE DEFINE AND MEASURE WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY? THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE THAT TALKS ABOUT MOST SUITABLE OR PRACTICAL SOURCE.

AGAIN HOW ARE WE DEFINING THAT.

HOW CAN WE MEASURE THAT AND KNOW THAT THIS IS THE MOST SUITABLE OR PRACTICAL SOURCE.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS, IT JUST FEELS STILL A LITTLE TOO BROAD.

AND IT LEAVES IT UP TO INTERPRETATION.

AND JUST AS WE HEARD IN THIS MEETING TONIGHT AND THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE'RE USING THAT SINGLE SOURCE DEFINITION AGAIN WITH PLANTE MORAN AND, AND THE PROCUREMENT, THEM BEING A SINGLE SOURCE FOR THIS EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT WHEN WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM, WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS, BUT THAT ANSWER'S NO AGAIN.

AND THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT CAME BEFORE US.

SO I JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH IN THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE AND ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS US TO TRULY MEASURE THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT LEFT UP TO INTERPRETATION. IT'S HARD FOR US TO GO BACK ON THAT.

SO THE JUST AS A CORRECTION THE SINGLE SOURCE AND AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROCUREMENTS. SO WHEN COUNCIL WAS GIVEN THE DIRECTION TO OR THE DIRECTIVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT THAT TOOK SINGLE SOURCE OUT OF THE WINDOW. RIGHT. THIS IS WORDS FROM THE CITY MANAGER THAT SAID THAT IT WAS A SINGLE SOURCE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M QUOTING THAT BACK.

NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT IN REFERENCE TO THE PLANT.

MORAN. THAT'S ACTUALLY SPEAKING OF THE SAME THING. OH, OKAY. WELL, YEAH, IT'S EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE SINGLE SOURCE.

WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE, AS I SAID BEFORE, IN THE CITY ATTORNEY.

AND I TOOK YOU ALL'S COMMENTS, TOOK YOU ALL'S ADVICE, LOOKED AT WHAT? YOU ALL BROKE DOWN AND WE REVISED IT.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, SHE ACTUALLY DID IT WHILE WE WERE SITTING HERE ADDING THOSE ITEMS OR DEFINING TO T IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GO BACK TO KURT, THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT AS WELL.

JUST TO ADDRESS EARLIER IN REFERENCE TO IN 20 YEAR OLD RFP, AGAIN, THIS WASN'T USED AS AN RFP.

THIS IS AN ACTUAL SEPARATE SOLICITATION PROCESS.

RFP ITSELF IS THAT THEY MENTIONED TO YOUR POINT, THEY MENTIONED AN RFP WITHIN THE THE JUSTIFICATION.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT.

SO YES, YOU HAVE MY EYES AS THE PROCUREMENT DIRECTOR.

YOU ALSO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY EYES, FINANCE DIRECTOR EYES, CITY MANAGER'S EYES, LOOKING AT THIS AND IMPROVING THAT JUSTIFICATION, THEN BRINGING IT BACK FOR YOUR EYES TO FINAL FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL.

SO WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, NOWHERE IN THE WORLD THAT SOMETHING CAN GET PASSED WITHOUT YOU ALL SEEING IT. SO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE.

YOU I KNOW COUNCILMAN ATKINS WAS IN BEFORE YOU THOUGH.

COUNCILMAN ATKINS AND COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS YES.

AND I WAS GOING TO GO BACK, I WAS GOING TO IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILMEMBER CALDWELL'S QUESTION. AND SO EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT IS ALSO A TERM THAT IS THERE'S A TYPE OF PROCUREMENT FOR THAT.

AND I REMEMBERED THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WANTED TO BE ADDED TO THAT PARTICULAR MOTION.

AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT REPORTING TO COUNCIL OR PRESENTING TO COUNCIL. I THINK I MADE A CLARIFICATION AROUND THAT, BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD STATED THAT WE COULD NOT HAVE AN ENTITY THAT WOULD REPORT TO COUNCIL. SO I REMEMBER THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY HAS ALREADY MOVED FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT OFFICE WITH THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT TO GET THE SERVICES FOR ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR THAT. AND THAT WASN'T A SINGLE SOURCE, BUT IT WAS AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, WHICH WOULD, TO YOUR POINT, IS DIFFERENT.

ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

OR SOLE SOURCE. YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED THE EMERGENCY.

SO THINK OF THIS. IF A WATER MAIN BREAKS AND WE HAVE TO GET GET IT DONE TAKEN CARE OF.

WE'RE NOT DOING A YOU KNOW HEY LET'S SEE.

THEY'RE THEY'RE CHEAPER, BUT THEY'LL BE OUT HERE IN THE NEXT FIVE HOURS. WE'RE DOING HEY, WHO CAN GET OUT HERE RIGHT NOW? TYPE OF EMERGENCY. NOW, A LOT OF THE TIMES, IF YOU HAVE TWO OR MORE

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RESPONDING, THAT'S WHEN THEY TAKE PRICE AND CONSIDERATION.

ALL RIGHT. SO AGAIN, IF THE DIRECTOR THAT YOU ARE GAVE, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE RESCINDING AND YOU WANT TO SELECT THE PERSON YOURSELF PROCUREMENT HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S AN EMERGENCY, THEN WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AS AN EMERGENCY AND CORRECT. WE HAVE SPOKEN OR ENGAGED WITH PLANTE MORAN ALREADY.

SO THIS IS AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WITH THE URGENCY THAT YOU ALL HAVE PRESENTED, TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET DONE WITH AND ABSENT THAT, THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M SORRY, ABSENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTORS, WHAT THE DIRECTIVE WAS FOR AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF LOOKING AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND THEN GOING THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS, THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FITS WITHIN THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENGAGE AND YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW STAFF TO TAKE IT DOWN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT 14 DAYS OR MORE TO DO THAT SELECTION.

THAT COULD BE A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, OR THAT COULD BE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO GO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I YIELD. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS YES.

AND WHAT LED TO THIS, MADAM DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, I WILL GET YOU A COPY OF THIS MEMORANDUM.

THAT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD.

IT IS DATED FROM APRIL 7TH, 2026.

CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

THE REQUEST AND SINGLE SOURCE JUSTIFICATION.

IT COMES FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

IT SUPPORTS THE USE OF GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS AS A SINGLE SOURCE CONTRACTOR TO ASSIST THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE PROPERTY TAX DIVISION WITH THE COLLECTION OF DELINQUENT PROPERTY TAXES. IT SAYS IT HAS PROVIDED DELINQUENT TAX COLLECTION SERVICES TO CITIES AND COUNTIES THROUGHOUT GEORGIA SINCE 1994, AND IS CURRENTLY CONTRACTED WITH OVER 100 COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT GEORGIA.

RIGHT HERE IN THIS LETTER DATED TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IT SAYS JUSTIFICATION.

THE CITY PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED A PROCUREMENT PROCESS UNDER RFP NUMBER 2009-1348 FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE COLLECTION OF DELINQUENT, REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.

GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS WAS SELECTED THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

HOWEVER, THE CITY DID NOT UTILIZE THE SERVICES AT THAT TIME.

IT GOES ON AT THE END.

THE CLOSING PASSAGE SAYS BASED GTS PRIOR SELECTION THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS, ITS EXPERTISE IN GEORGIA TAX COLLECTION PROCEDURES AND ITS NO COST SERVICE STRUCTURE TO THE CITY. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY PROCEED WITH GTTS AS A SINGLE SOURCE PROVIDER FOR THESE SERVICES. AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT LED TO THE CHANGING OF THE ORDINANCE, THIS MEMORANDUM RIGHT HERE.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE UNTIL I SEE THE FOLLOWING THINGS IN IT, BECAUSE ON PAGE TWO OF THE ORDINANCE, IT HAS A COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, ADD THIS. SO THIS CAN ALSO BE ADDED INTO THAT ORDINANCE.

IT'S ON PAGE TWO. FOR THOSE OF US WATCHING AT HOME.

I BELIEVE THAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN.

A FEW ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER ARE A DOLLAR THRESHOLD NOT TO EXCEED OVER $25,000 IN THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL APPROVAL.

THAT'S A WAY FOR US TO HAVE A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES, A QUARTERLY REPORTING TO COUNCIL.

SO DEPARTMENTS CANNOT REPEATEDLY USE THIS QUIETLY AND NO AUTO RENEWALS WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION. INDEPENDENT REVIEW BY LEGAL OR FINANCE FOR HIGH DOLLAR CONTRACTS IN MANDATORY MARKET PRICING, DOCUMENTATION AND ALSO A SUNSET CLAUSE REQUIRING REEVALUATION AFTER A SET PERIOD.

WE DO NOT NEED ANY LOOPHOLES.

WE NEED TO DO WHAT IS BEST IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF OUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY.

AND I'M GOING TO YIELD.

IF THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO ADD THESE ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS IN, THEN I MAY CONSIDER IT.

BUT AS IT IS WRITTEN TODAY, NO.

AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN READ INTO RECORDS.

SO IT'S JUST NOT APPEARING AS IF SOME OF US ARE FLYING BY THE SEAT OF OUR PANTS.

THANK YOU. AND I YIELD.

MADAM. MAYOR COUNCILMAN.

COUNCILWOMAN. ROGERS. THE.

THE MENTION OF THE RFP WITHIN THE JUSTIFICATION, AGAIN, DOES NOT SUMMARIZE IT AS IF THAT IS THE REASON WHY IT WAS SELECTED TO BE A SINGLE

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SOURCE. AFTER YOU READ THAT RFP THEY WERE SELECTED, YOU ALSO GAVE EXPERTISE, YOU LISTED SOME OTHER THINGS.

AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT WAS IT WAS NO COST TO THE CITY.

SO WITH THOSE TWO THINGS OUTSIDE, THE FACT THAT THEY WERE MENTIONED AS A SELECTED WINNER OF AN RFP, THE OTHER THINGS IS THE REASON WHY THEY WERE CHOSEN AS A SINGLE SOURCE.

THAT'S AGAIN, CLARIFICATION.

I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT I HOPE THAT THIS IS UNDERSTOOD TODAY.

OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL THANK YOU.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BE MAYBE A LITTLE CLEAR WITH WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION.

ONE, TWO THINGS THAT CAME UP THAT JUST CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF HESITATION AND PAUSE, OF COURSE THAT THE G THE TAX SOLUTIONS WHEN THAT CAME ABOUT AND, AND MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER MISSPOKE IN THE LAST MEETING, BUT HE, HE MENTIONED SINGLE SOURCE AND IT DOESN'T FALL IN LINE WITH SOME OF THESE OR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED HERE.

AND SO IT JUST RAISES SOME CONCERNS, LIKE HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES AROUND THIS AND WE'RE NOT OVERUSING IT OR ABUSING IT.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I MENTIONED SOME OF THE TERMS AROUND BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY.

IT'S VERY BROAD MOST SUITABLE PRACTICAL SOURCE, VERY BROAD SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE, EVEN LIKE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OR HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE PREVENT EXISTING CONSULTANTS OR PEOPLE THAT WE'VE DONE EXISTING CONTRACTORS FROM QUALIFYING FROM SINGLE SOURCE JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH US? LIKE THOSE ARE VERY BROAD VERY BROAD TERMS. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST SOME OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, LIKE, ARE THERE SOME EXAMPLES THAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE TO SUPPORT THAT DETERMINATION SO THAT WE KNOW WHY IT'S BEING QUALIFIED VERSUS JUST SAYING, HEY, THIS IS BEST FOR THE CITY, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA AS TO WHY.

NOT A PROBLEM. WE'LL TAKE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

WE DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING IS I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF POTENTIALLY PROVIDING US WITH SOME TYPE OF REPORT ON HOW MANY VENDORS FELL UNDER THAT CATEGORY AND WHY. JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A PLACE TO REFERENCE AND UNDERSTAND, AND WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY.

OKAY. SO COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, ARE YOU ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT THE DETAILS OF THAT REPORT, YOU REQUESTING IT TO THE CITY MANAGER TO INSTRUCT STAFF TO DO THAT, OR IF THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? YEAH, WE'RE JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS WORK SESSION.

SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE, LIKE IN ORDER TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, I MEAN, I DO UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION OF SINGLE SOURCE AND WHY IT'S NEEDED.

I JUST THINK THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS A LITTLE TOO BROAD AND IT CAPTURES WAY TOO MUCH.

AND SO HAVING SOME OF THAT REPORTING AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL CLARITY, THEN IT MAKES SENSE. OKAY.

ARE YOU FINISHED? OKAY.

YOU'RE IN. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THE CHANGES THAT WERE MENTIONED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS CERTAINLY CAN ADD THEM TO THE ORDINANCE.

I WILL SAY THAT THE THERE IS AN ORDINANCE ALREADY THAT REQUIRES EVERYTHING OVER 25,000 TO COME TO COUNCIL. SO I JUST HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

DO YOU WANT THINGS UNDER 25,000.

IS THAT THE SUGGESTION? TALKING TO YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. UNDER 25.

IS THERE A QUESTION? YES, I JUST HEARD YOUR QUESTION.

OKAY. I REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS MAKING WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, YOU MENTIONED A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS.

OKAY. SO IF I RECALL THE CONVERSATION, I KNOW WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS ANYTHING THAT'S OVER THE $25,000 REQUIRES COUNCIL APPROVAL ANYWAY, RIGHT. SO YOU'RE NOW ARE WE GOING TO GO BELOW THE 20? IS THERE IS THERE A THRESHOLD. IS THERE SOMETHING I'M ASKING.

DO Y'ALL WANT ONE. I'M I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE WITH THE $25,000 ANYTHING OVER THE $25,000 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ANY AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO HAVE. SO I'M I'M GOOD WITH THE $25,000. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH.

YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE REPORTING.

HE SHOULD BE A PART OF THE AUDIENCE. YES.

SO ASK HER. OKAY. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS BASED ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL WAS

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LISTING OUT AND WHAT CAUSED WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.

AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF DO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING MORE IN ADDITION TO THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING WHAT IS THE PROCESS THAT GETS US TO BRINGING IT BEFORE COUNCIL? WOULD IT I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WHETHER WE'RE LISTING IT OR.

YEAH. SO THE, THE ORDINANCE, THE LANGUAGE IN THERE LOOKS GOOD.

IT COULD HAVE SOME MORE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I GUESS THE HESITATION AND THE CONCERN COMES FROM THERE'S BEEN TWO EXAMPLES OF SINGLE SOURCE MADE BY CITY MANAGER PROCUREMENT THAT DON'T FALL UNDER THAT PIECE.

AS FAR AS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US INITIALLY DID NOT ALIGN AND FALL IN THERE.

AND SO WHAT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHERE IS THE CHECKS AND BALANCES AND HOW DO WE HOW DO WE CLOSE THE LOOP ON THAT? THE REPORTING MIGHT BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE CAN GET A SENSE OF WHAT QUALIFIES AS SINGLE SOURCE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLY USING AND ABUSING THAT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF, I THINK IT'S NOT FOR ME.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF COUNCIL, BUT FOR ME, I WAS WONDERING IF IT'S MORE OR LESS THE PROCESS THAT WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND THE CHECKS AND BALANCES.

AND THEN HOW EACH STEP OF THE PROCESS IS ACTUALLY DEFINED TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE AS THE EXPERT IN PROCUREMENT.

IS THERE A PROCESS FOR VETTING? I GUESS THAT WILL DELIVER VETTING AGAINST ANY TYPES OF CRITERIA.

SO WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THE ORDINANCE. THE ORDINANCE WILL GO INTO FILE AS WHAT WE ALL AGREED ON. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT WE'RE WE'RE ACQUIRING OR WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, HOW, IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION, DO WE ALLOW THE ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE CHECKS AND BALANCES AS WE ARE GOING ALONG TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE.

WELL, I MEAN, YOU ALL HAVE.

I THOUGHT WE DID THAT BEFORE.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THOUGHT WE KIND OF CLARIFIED WHAT WE WANTED. AND NOW WE'RE GOING A LITTLE FURTHER, WHICH IS PERFECTLY FINE.

I WILL SAY THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S PRESENTED NOW IS THAT EXPERTISE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PRESENTED IN REFERENCE TO THE JUSTIFICATION THAT COUNCILMAN MARTIN ROGERS JUST READ FOR THE REFERENCE.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING.

I'M TRYING TO APPROVE A JUSTIFICATION.

WHAT WOULD MAKE ME APPROVE THIS? RIGHT. OKAY. THEY PARTICIPATED IN A 20 YEAR OLD RFP.

THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPERTISE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE CITY AT THIS POINT IN TIME? IT WAS A NO COST TO THE CITY.

SO WE AND I DON'T WANT TO JUMP AHEAD, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT LATER ON.

WHEN WE DID A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION, WHAT TOOK PLACE THEN.

RIGHT. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU'RE PUTTING THIS IN RIGHT.

AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AS SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

RIGHT. SINGLE SOURCE IS GOING TO BE A SINGLE SOURCE WHERE WE DON'T OVER OVERUSE IT.

IT'S RARE. RARELY USED WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY UTILIZED, JUST LIKE SOLE SOURCE, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY OUT THERE IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN DO SOMETHING.

SO I THINK THE METHOD THAT YOU'RE MOVING TOWARDS IS, IS PERFECTLY FINE. AND IN FACT, THE MAIN POINT OF CLARIFICATION EARLIER, I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN I SAID EMERGENCY VERSUS SINGLE SOURCE. I WAS TALKING ABOUT PLANT MORAN AND I THINK YOU ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT GTA, SO I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S THE CASE.

IT WAS A CONVERSATION WHERE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED IN THE PLANT PROGRAM WHEN HE WAS REFERENCING PLANT MORAN.

THEY WERE A SINGLE SOURCE, AND I REMEMBER EVEN COUNCIL MEMBER HIM WHO SAID NO SINGLE SOURCE SHOULD GO OUT FOR PROCUREMENT.

SO THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO GLENMORE.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE. WE CAN JUST. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. BUT THAT WAS THE OTHER THING THAT CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF HESITATION ABOUT ME USING THIS CORRECTLY. YEAH, YEAH.

SO AND SO, JUST SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SOLICITATION, THAT'S YOUR ITBS OR RFPS.

RFQS. RIGHT. AND EVEN YOUR INFORMAL RFQ REQUEST FOR QUOTES.

YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR SINGLE SOURCE, YOUR SOLE SOURCE.

THEN YOU HAVE YOUR COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS, WHICH IS SEEN IN THE ORDINANCE AS AGGREGATE PURCHASES. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR STATE CONTRACTS.

SO THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES OR METHODS THAT MY DEPARTMENT CAN UTILIZE IN PROCURING SOMETHING FOR THE CITY.

I CAN ASSURE YOU JUST AGAIN, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE'RE NOT OVERLY USING IT.

IF ANYTHING, WE'RE BEING STRICT.

SO I WELCOME ANY KIND OF REFINED DEFINITIONS OR WORDS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT INTO THAT.

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I JUST AGAIN THOUGHT WE HAD DONE THIS BEFORE.

SO IF WE HEAR AGAIN DOING IT, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING BACK TO GET IT THE WAY THAT COUNCIL WANTS IT.

COUNCILMAN MIKE ROGERS.

YES. AND I'D LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS, HOW DO WE ENSURE.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT POLICIES BEING PASSED IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE.

ONCE THERE PASSED BY THE MAJORITY VOTE OF COUNCIL, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ADHERED TO.

THEY. ONCE YOU GUYS PASS POLICY, ONCE YOU GUYS PASS POLICY, RIGHT, WHETHER IT'S BY WAY OF RESOLUTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE.

YOU GUYS ARE POLICY MAKERS.

AND SO ONCE IT'S PASSED IT SHOWS UP EITHER AS A RESOLUTION OR AN ORDINANCE.

IT ALSO CAN SHOW UP AS LIKE THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, YOU GUYS WILL APPROVE THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK.

THAT IS A POLICY MAKING DOCUMENT THAT REQUIRES YOUR APPROVAL THAT THEN WILL BE CARRIED OUT BY THE CITY MANAGER, HR DEPARTMENT HEADS, ALL OF THAT. RIGHT. AND SO THE EXPECTATION IS WHEN YOU SPEAK AND YOU SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, IT SHOULD BE FOLLOWED.

SAME GOES FOR ORDINANCES WHEN YOU PASS.

JUST LIKE THIS IS ORDINANCE, WHEN YOU PASS THAT WAY, EVERYONE IS EXPECTED TO FOLLOW IT.

NOT ONLY INTERIOR YOU KNOW, STAFF, CONTRACTORS, BUT THE CITIZENS. YOU PASS ORDINANCES THAT APPLY TO EVERYBODY THAT COMES THROUGH YOUR CITY. AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, BUT YES, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS THAT I READ OFF INTO THE SUNSET CLAUSE.

ANYTHING OVER 25, 000 WILL HAVE TO COME BACK, WHICH IS ALREADY AN ORDINANCE.

DID I MISS ANY? YES. NO AUTO RENEWALS WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION.

OKAY. AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW BY LEGAL OR FINANCE FOR HIGH DOLLAR CONTRACTS.

WELL, SO WE CAN AVOID WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED AS BEING VAGUE.

WHAT'S HIGH DOLLAR? OH, WOULDN'T IT BE OVER 25,000 OR 50,000? MAYBE 50,000 AND ABOVE WOULD BE HIGH DOLLAR.

AND MANDATORY MARKET PRICING DOCUMENTATION AND ALSO A SUNSET CLAUSE.

RIGHT. I HAVE THAT NOW.

THE QUARTERLY REPORTING TO COUNCIL IS A MUST.

I KNOW MANY YEARS AGO COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD GET THE PROCUREMENT.

AND WHAT WAS IT WAS LIKE PRESENTED TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL YEARS AGO.

BUT AS ANOTHER LAYER OF.

PROTECTION AND OVERSIGHT, THE QUARTERLY REPORTING NEEDS TO GO INTO THIS POLICY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I YIELD. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT QUARTERLY REPORTING JUST FOR SINGLE SOURCE OR EVERY OTHER FORM OF PROCUREMENT? OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE. YOU KNOW,.

GO AHEAD. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. THIS IS GOING TO UPDATE BOTH THE SINGLE SOURCE AND THE SOLE SOURCE DEFINITION.

SO I WOULD SAY THE REPORTING COULD COVER BOTH SINGLE SOURCE AND SOLE SOURCE.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS JUST MENTIONED WAS SOME TYPE OF MARKETING. WHAT WAS IT A MARKETING.

MARKETING. MARKET RATE.

HOW WOULD MR. LAWRENCE WOULD WE ATTAIN THAT IF IT'S A SINGLE SOURCE OR SOLE SOURCE, THE MARKET RATE. IF IT'S A SOLE SOURCE, THEN THAT IS THE MARKET RATE BECAUSE THEY'LL PROVIDE THE RATE. RIGHT.

THEN THAT'S THE MARKET RATE, RIGHT.

SO WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE THAT.

AND THEN HOW WOULD WE DO THAT.

WHAT KIND OF DOCUMENTATION WOULD YOU GET FOR THE SINGLE SOURCE.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULD BE DOING AN INFORMAL REQUEST FOR QUOTES FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHICH WOULD CHANGE IT FROM BEING A SINGLE SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT. CORRECT. I'LL BE GETTING A QUOTE FROM THIS VENDOR, THAT VENDOR, THAT VENDOR TO DO THIS ANALYSIS, BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD DETERMINE THE MARKET. CORRECT. AND SO THEN SO THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION AROUND THAT PIECE.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROCUREMENT PROCESSES. AND THAT, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IMPACTS THE ORDINANCE.

AND IF WE WANT TO STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, THEN I WOULD JUST ASK YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT US TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE OR APPROVE SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE ANY OF THOSE CHALLENGES OR DELAYS, OR FOR US NOT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.

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NO, THAT THAT DEFINITELY CAUSES A CHALLENGE.

I MEAN, THAT'S REDUNDANT IN A SENSE.

I CAN ASSURE YOU RIGHT NOW, THE DIRECTORS ARE GOING TO FAR FALL BACK IN TRYING TO EVEN SAY, HEY, THIS IS SINGLE SOURCE OR ASK FOR AT ALL.

I MEAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE TO GO IN, FIND THIS. I ALREADY HAVE THIS SINGLE SOURCE.

I HAVE TO GO IN AND FIND OTHER PEOPLE TO GET THEIR PRICING.

IT'S GOING TO BE LONGER BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR, HEY, CAN I GET A SCOPE OF WORK? SO I'M LITERALLY PUTTING OUT A REQUEST FOR QUOTE.

SO THAT DOESN'T THEN IT JUST BECOMES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND NOT A SINGLE SOURCE. YES, SIR.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL SO THE THE ORDINANCE, I GUESS THEN THAT KIND OF CONTRADICTS WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS SAYS.

IT SAYS A CONTRACT MAY BE AWARDED WITHOUT COMPETITION.

WHEN THE PURCHASING AGENT DETERMINES, IN WRITING THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY AFTER CONDUCTING A GOOD FAITH REVIEW OF AVAILABLE SOURCES.

NO CORRECT SOURCES AND PRICING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN REGARDS TO.

IF I'M. IF I'M ASKING FOR SOMEONE'S PRICE, THAT IS BY DEFINITION A REQUEST FOR QUOTE AND PROCUREMENT WORLD. AND SO NOW I'M GOING OUT AND I STILL HAVE TO DOCUMENT THAT INFORMATION. SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M JUST CALLING SOMEONE.

I HAVE TO EMAIL. I HAVE TO HAVE DOCUMENTATION FOR OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS FOR YOU, ALL'S APPROVAL AND SUCH.

I THINK WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THAT YOU WILL DO A GOOD FAITH REVIEW OF OTHER AVAILABLE SOURCES. SO THERE IS SOME TYPE OF LOOKING UP OF.

ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY.

THERE'S RESEARCH ON OTHER COMPANIES THAT DO IT AND THEIR EXPERTISE VERSUS THIS, THAT AND THE THIRD. BUT I THINK THE QUESTION WAS SPECIFICALLY IN REFERENCE TO PRICING.

AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MARKET VALUE OF ANALYSIS, WHICH IS INCLUDING PRICING THAT ACTUALLY TURNS IT TO A DIFFERENT PROCUREMENT STYLE, RIGHT? I THOUGHT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ANY OTHER SOURCES, SINGLE SOURCES.

IS THAT SO? WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE RESEARCH.

I THINK THE ADD ON WAS JUST TO DOCUMENT THE PRICING, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT GOOD FAITH REVIEW DEFINES.

SO AGAIN I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THE THE PRICING TURNS IT TO, AS COUNCILMAN ATKINS WAS POINTING OUT, TURNS IT TO A DIFFERENT STYLE OF PROCUREMENT.

SO NOW I'M DOING I'M NOT DOING A SINGLE SOURCE ANYMORE.

I'M DOING A REQUEST FOR QUOTE WHICH IS AN INFORMAL REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL OR ITB.

SO NOW WE'RE, WE'RE ON TWO DIFFERENT PAGES.

SO NOW I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NO LONGER SAYING, HEY, AS A CITY ATTORNEY SAID SOLE SOURCE.

THAT'S THE PRICE, RIGHT? SINGLE SOURCE. NOW I HAVE TO CONTACT, LET'S SAY TWO, THREE, FOUR OTHER VENDORS TO GET THIS ACTUAL MARKET ANALYSIS IN REFERENCE TO YOUR PRICING THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. SO AND THAT THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.

AND IT DEFINITELY NOT THAT WE'RE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT TIME, BUT WE'RE DOING TWO PROCUREMENT PROCESSES AT THE SAME TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE SOMEONE GO AHEAD.

WERE YOU STILL IN? ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL. WE HAVE THIS AGENDA ITEM.

DO. WE'RE MOVING THIS TO THE NEXT RIGHT? NOPE. GO AHEAD IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.

AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, WE PROBABLY SHOULD MOVE IT TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT APPEARS IN A FORMAT AND HAS THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH.

NO, I THINK IF YOU, IF, IF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH IT GOING TO THE JULY WORK SESSION, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT.

ALL RIGHT, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION FOR THE DEFINITION OF SINGLE SOURCE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE ON THE JULY WORK SESSION, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

ONE THING. SO WITH REGARD TO THIS PROCUREMENT PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, WE FORMULATE EVERYTHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THIS ORDINANCE TO PRESENT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY SO THAT SHE CAN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE JUST WANT A SEAMLESS, SECURE, FAIR PROCESS IN PLACE.

NUMBER ONE, WE NEED A DEFINITION OF WHAT SOLE SOURCE AND SINGLE SOURCE ARE.

AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE SAME THING ACROSS THE BOARD FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING. AND IT SHOULD JUST BE A CHECKS AND BALANCE.

IF IT'S FOUR SETS OF EYES THAT SEE IT, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

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WE GOTTA HAVE TO, WE JUST, WE, WE JUST WANT TO, WE WANT TO TRUST AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THE BEST DECISION AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO IF IT'S JUST ONE SEAMLESS PROCESS IN PLACE THAT WE DO FOR US, WHATEVER THE SERVICES, FOR EXAMPLE, PAVING OUT IN FRONT OF DOWN MAIN STREET, IF THAT IS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT VENDORS TO DO IT, AND THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED, I GUESS IT'D BE A SINGLE SOURCE BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THAT SAME JOB, WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD.

IT NEEDS TO BE VETTED A CERTAIN WAY.

IT CHECKS ALL THE BOXES.

IF IT CHECKS ALL THOSE BOXES, THEN THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE PERSON THAT THEY SUGGEST FOR IT.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST THAT WE MAKE SURE ALL OF THE SUGGESTIONS, THOSE THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO SEE IN THIS ORDINANCE, WE GET THOSE TO YOU BY A CERTAIN DATE.

YOU CAN WORK ON IT, GET IT BACK TO US, AND WE CAN KIND OF WE'LL SAY YAY OR NAY IF WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH IT, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT.

BUT JUST SO THAT WE'LL HAVE EVERYBODY'S SUGGESTIONS TO YOU.

YES, I WELCOME THAT. AND I ALSO SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL WITH AN EXAMPLE OF A FORM THAT'S USED AT EMORY. I HOPE YOU GUYS JUST LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT IN PLAY OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO DO SINGLE VERSUS SOLE.

JUST AN EXAMPLE. NOT SAYING THAT IT SHOULD APPEAR IN OUR ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME DEMONSTRATIVE EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I YIELD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

NO. NEXT ITEM. COUNCIL DECISION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CONTRACT.

[IV.8. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Contract Extension #2 with USIS Inc./Davies for Workers' Compensation Third-Party Claims Administration Service for $47,740.]

EXTENSION NUMBER TWO WITH THE USIS INC..

DAVIES FOR WORKERS COMPENSATION.

THIRD PARTY CLAIM SERVICE FOR $47,740.

ISN'T IT? I'M NOT SURE.

OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SORRY.

YEAH. I HAVE THE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR IRIS.

JESSE, WHO'S GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM. AND APPARENTLY, SHE'S ALSO ACCOMPANIED BY MR. LAWRENCE. SECURITY. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR.

AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THE ITEM TONIGHT FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AT YOUR NEXT MEETING IS A CONTRACT EXTENSION. THIS IS CONTRACT EXTENSION NUMBER TWO WITH USES FOR WORKERS COMPENSATION. THIRD PARTY CLAIMS ADMINISTRATION I SERVICES.

I WANTED TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT IS IN THE COUNCIL PACKET.

THE INITIAL CONTRACT WAS ISSUED IN 2022 WITH AN INITIAL TERM OF TWO CALENDAR YEARS.

THERE WAS AN OPTION TO RENEW FOR TWO ONE YEAR TERMS. AND THIS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE LAST OPTION FOR RENEWAL.

AFTER THIS, THIS SERVICE WILL BE PUT OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BID.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS IRIS.

I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILMAN MITCHELL, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD PUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I THINK WE HAVE DO WE WANT TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE COUNCIL? DO WE WANT TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES.

OKAY. SO DO YOU. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN CALDWELL, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

YES. THANK YOU. MA'AM.

MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER? ITEM NUMBER EIGHT WILL BE MOVED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM MAYOR.

YES. I SEE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE, AND I DON'T THINK AT THE TOP OF THE MEETING, WE WENT THROUGH THE AGENDA TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE CAN MOVE TO, PERHAPS CONSENT.

IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE FOLK WHO ARE HERE FOR THE MEETING.

SURE. WE WE CAN GO BACK.

GO AHEAD. ITEM NUMBER NINE.

[IV.9. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Change Order of $35,825.40 Not to Exceed $125,000 for Vendor, IUC, for the City After Hours Non-Emergency Support . FUNDING SOURCE: Technical Fees/Professional Fees]

THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE. COUNCIL COUNCIL DECISION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON CHANGE ORDER FOR $5.40.

NOT TO EXCEED. OKAY. OKAY.

[02:00:06]

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL. LET'S SEE.

DO WE HAVE EASTPOINT POWER IN THE HOUSE? DO WE HAVE ON THE RECORD, I THINK.

NEVER MIND. JUST. ASK OF THE QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE THE ASK OR WHAT IS THE.

YES. IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THIS ACTION ITEM, WE CAN MOVE IT TO CONSENT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT IS TALKING ABOUT A VENDOR FOR AFTER HOURS NON-EMERGENCY SUPPORT.

SO FOR THE PUBLIC WHO DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR AGENDAS, JUST GIVE US A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF WHY THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA.

THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS I, YOU SEE THIS IS OUR AFTER OUR CALL CENTER AFTER 4 P.M., YOU KNOW, THE CALLS TRANSFER TO IU SO ANY OF THE AND ALL OF THE UTILITIES, ANY EMERGENCY THAT YOU HAVE A POOL IS DOWN.

SANITATION NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP, A WATER MAIN BREAK.

ANY OF THAT THEY WOULD CALL THIS NUMBER.

WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE FUNDS THAT WE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FROM THE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR. AND SO NOW WE JUST NEED SOME MORE FUNDING.

COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN POWELL SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT? IS IT THAT 35,000? NO, THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT.

I WANT TO SAY WAS LIKE 50 OR 55,000.

I'LL GET THE EXACT NUMBER.

I HAVE IT ON MY DESK, BUT I'LL GET THE EXACT NUMBER FOR YOU IN A ROUNDABOUT IS FINE. AND SO ARE THEY ASKING FOR ANOTHER 35,000 AT THE MOMENT? NO. SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR MORE FUNDING THAT WE COULD PAY FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS FOR THIS YEAR. AND THEN JUST IN CASE THAT WE HAVE ANY MORE ISSUES NEXT FISCAL YEAR THAT WILL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY AND WE WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU TO ASK TO DO AND CHANGE ORDER ANY OF THAT. GOT IT. AND I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE NOT TO EXCEED 25,000.

LIKE THAT'S A PRETTY HUGE JUMP.

IF WE'RE AROUND 55,000 FOR TEN MONTHS OF THE YEAR.

WE ONLY HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS OF THE YEAR.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY BIG JUMP TO THEN GO TO POTENTIALLY GO TO 125,000.

NO. SO I, WE JUST PUT IT AT THAT NUMBER AS A NUMBER THAT I, I DOUBT THAT WE WOULD EVER REACH REALLY AND TRULY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT TO 60,000 AND WE GET A WHOLE LOT OF STORMS. WE HAD THE PHONE ISSUES IF WE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH CUSTOMER CARE, AND THEN WE, WE'RE RIGHT UP ON THAT 6000 AND I CAN'T THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS WON'T ALLOW ME TO PROCESS ANY INVOICES THAT'S OVER THAT NUMBER.

SO I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DID IT AT 125,000.

OKAY. AND THAT'S JUST JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE PROJECTED FOR THE ENTIRE ELECTRIC BUDGET.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP THAT IN MIND.

AND IF THERE ISN'T A TRUE NEED TO GO TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THIS BY AN ADDITIONAL 125,000 THAT WE DON'T.

BUT IT'S FINE. I'LL YIELD.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YES. THANK YOU, MR. DOWELL.

SO THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY I YOU SEE, DO THEY CHARGE PER CALL.

IS THAT WHY WE WE'RE OVER BUDGETED.

BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE CALLS THAN ANTICIPATED.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND YOU BASED THAT NUMBER ON THE PREVIOUS YEARS, THE TRENDS. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE'VE SEEN AN UPTICK IN CALLS AND THAT IS MOSTLY AROUND ELECTRICAL POWER OUTAGES, TREES DOWN CAUSING THE POWER.

ANY OF THOSE THINGS TO TO BE HONEST FOR THIS YEAR THE ISSUES WERE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH OUR INTERNAL PHONE SYSTEM.

AND WHILE THAT WAS GOING ON, THEY TOOK ALL THE CALLS.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE UPTAKE WAS IN CHARGES.

[02:05:07]

SOME, WELL MOST OF IT IS ELECTRICAL AND YOU KNOW, A VERY SMALL AMOUNT IS WATER AND SANITATION.

OKAY. SO IT'S MOSTLY ELECTRICAL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY QUESTION.

AND I'M TRACKING SO I YIELD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOU SAID THAT THE THE REASON WAS THE UPTICK WAS BECAUSE OF THE CALLS, RIGHT? AND FIRST, LET ME SAY THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND MAKING IT SO THAT THE DECISION THAT YOU MADE IS CLEAR THAT IT CAME FROM A TREND THAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING.

AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BASELINE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY THE CALL, YOU SAID THE INCREASE CAME FROM THE CALLS, BUT THE FUNDING FOR THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE ELECTRIC FUND, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT IS RELATED? SO ORIGINALLY THE AFTER OUR CALLS WERE SET UP FOR UTILITIES FOR MYSELF FOR ELECTRIC WATER AND SEWER AND SANITATION.

SO WE SPLIT THAT COST ORIGINALLY, RIGHT.

BUT WHEN WE HAD THE DIFFERENT STORMS, I WOULD SAY LIKE 75% OF THE CALLS ARE FROM THE ELECTRIC SIDE. PEOPLE ARE CALLING THE OUT OF POWER, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO NORMALLY, WELL, SO WE SPLIT THE THREE UTILITIES, SPLIT THE COST WITH BUT PERCENTAGE BASED.

SO ELECTRIC PAYS A BIGGER PORTION THAN WATER AND SEWER AND SANITATION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IT'S NOT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CALLS PER SE, BUT IT'S THE SERVICES RENDERED DUE TO THOSE CALLS THAT ARE REPRESENTS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. CORRECT. CORRECT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD FOR THIS TOPIC? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, SIR.

DO WE HAVE WE'D LIKE TO MOVE NUMBER TEN.

I'M SORRY. NUMBER NINE TO CONSENT.

HAS THIS ALREADY BEEN VOTED? YES.

OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO CONSENT OR DO WE WANT TO KEEP. NUMBER TEN.

[IV.10. Council Discussion and Possible Action on a Alcohol Licensee Name Change/New Owner Texaco Food Mart]

COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ALCOHOL. LICENSE NAME CHANGE SLASH NEW OWNER.

TEXACO FOOD MART. COME FORWARD PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND JUST A BRIEF CLARIFICATION AND DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE ASK IS TONIGHT FOR COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. I'M LIEUTENANT TREMBLE FROM THE EAST PARK POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE APPLICANT, MURAKAMI KHAN HAS APPLIED FOR A RETAIL ALCOHOL LICENSE FOR TEXACO LOCATED AT 3155 CAMP CREEK PARKWAY.

THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLETED THE ALCOHOL LICENSE APPLICATION AND ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION. THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN RECEIVED BY THE EASTPOINTE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAS RECEIVED DEPARTMENTAL APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE ALCOHOL LICENSE. BE ADVISED THIS LOCATION DID HAVE A 2025 PERMIT, BUT MR. KHAN IS THE NEW OWNER FOR 2026.

IS THAT THE ONLY REASON FOR THE REQUEST? BECAUSE THERE'S NEW OWNERSHIP? YES. YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

COUNCILWOMAN ATKINS. YES.

AND, OFFICER, YOU DID STATE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLETED ALL PAPERWORK AND ALL OF THAT. EVERYTHING CHECKS OUT. SO SIMPLY A TRANSFER, A NAME CHANGE AND NEW OWNER AND THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY A PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS CONSIDERED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS A PART OF THE PROCESS? OH, WE DO THE WE CONTACT THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE FOR JUST THE STATE

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ALCOHOL LICENSE. WE ALSO DO LETTERS OF CLEARANCE, WHICH BASICALLY IS A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE SPOUSE TO MAKE SURE THAT NO CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN, HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

WE DO LIKE THREE LETTERS OF CLEARANCE.

WE DO TWO SIZE PASSPORT PHOTOS FOR IDENTIFICATION.

AND WE ALSO OBTAINED CLEARANCE FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.

OKAY. YOU SAID OBTAIN CLEARANCE FROM PLANNING AND ZONING.

IS THAT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR IS THAT JUST A CLEARANCE APPLICATION PROCESS BEFORE IT GETS APPROVED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? OKAY. SO THAT IS SO IT'S SO IN THIS CASE, WOULD IT BE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR IS IT JUST THIS CAN GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

IS THAT HOW IT ONCE ALL THOSE THINGS ARE APPROVED THEN WE BRING IT FORTH TO COUNCIL.

OKAY. IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

NO, NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO. I KNOW THAT PREVIOUS LIFE PLANNING AND ZONING HAD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THE RECOMMENDATION THEN WENT TO COUNCIL WITH THE REPORT FOR FOR APPROVAL OR. YES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

OKAY. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AT THIS TIME ON THIS TOPIC? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO WE WANT TO MOVE THIS TO CONSENT OR DO WE WANT TO VOTE ON THIS CONSENT OR VOTE? SO THE NEXT STEP, JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M SORRY, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU CONFIRM THE NEXT STEP, PLEASE? WITH THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR THE FOR YOU GUYS TO VOTE ON IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO, THEY HAVEN'T HAD IT YET.

LET ME SEE IF A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED FOR A CHANGE.

BECAUSE IS THIS A NEW LICENSE OR IS IT A RENEWAL OF.

WELL, HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RENEW BECAUSE HE'S A NEW OWNER, NEW LIFE FOR NEW LICENSE.

EXCUSE ME FOR NEW LICENSES.

YES. SO BECAUSE HE'S THE NAME CHANGE, HE'S GETTING A NEW LICENSE.

THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA NEXT NEXT WEEK.

EXCUSE ME. SO WE WILL BE MOVING ITEM NUMBER TEN TO OUR REGULAR MEETING UNDER PUBLIC HEARING AS A PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA ITEM.

OKAY. AND A VOTE AND A VOTE.

YES. OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKE NUMBER 11TH MAY BE OF THE SAME CASE, BUT I'LL LET YOU. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY? I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND TALK OR COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO.

CAN YOU SOUND THE AGENDA ITEMS. YES. SORRY. COUNT NUMBER 11 COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

[IV.11. Council Discussion and Possible Action on an Alcohol Licensee Name Change/New Owner, Cru Lounge]

ACTION ON ALCOHOL LICENSE NAME CHANGE SLASH NEW OWNER FOR CREW LOUNGE.

YES. THE APPLICANT, DANIA MORRELL, HAS APPLIED FOR AN ALCOHOL LICENSE FOR CREW LOCATED AT 3271 CAMP CREEK PARKWAY.

THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLETED THE ALCOHOL LICENSE APPLICATION AND ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION. THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN RECEIVED BY THE EASTPOINTE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND RECEIVED DEPARTMENTAL APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE ALCOHOL LICENSE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS AND COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

HI, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A POINT OF I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUSINESS.

I THINK THAT THEY HAD A PREVIOUS LIQUOR LICENSE.

HOW MANY TIMES OVER DO I GUESS OWNERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE TO GET REPEATED LIQUOR LICENSE OR WHAT MAY PREVENT A BUSINESS FROM NOT HAVING A LIQUOR LICENSE? BECAUSE DIDN'T THEY HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE BEFORE? YES, MA'AM.

YES. SO IS THERE A POLICY? I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DO THE RESEARCH ON THAT, BUT WHAT DOES THE CITY HAVE IN PLACE AS IT RELATES TO, OKAY, I OWN A BUSINESS.

I MAY BE MY LIQUOR LICENSE FOR WHATEVER REASON.

I DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE, BUT I WANT TO APPLY AGAIN WHAT IS IN PLACE.

TO ASSIST. POINT IN THESE LIQUOR LICENSE APPLICATIONS? YES, MA'AM. I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION FIRST.

THIS APPEARS ON THE AGENDA AS IT'S A NEW OWNER.

SO IT. SO IF THAT'S ACCURATE THEN IT'S NOT THE PREVIOUS OWNER WHO WOULD HAVE HELD ANY PREVIOUS LIQUOR LICENSE.

WE ALSO DO HAVE IN THE CODE SECTION 11-1430 THAT DICTATES ALL OF THE ACTS THAT ARE PROHIBITED WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT SOMEONE FROM HOLDING A LIQUOR LICENSE.

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I AM ASSUMING BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW OWNER, THOSE ACTS HAVEN'T OCCURRED YET.

IF THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP IS NEW AND CERTAINLY IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, WHETHER IT BE THE ACTS IN THIS SECTION OR CODE VIOLATIONS THAT POLICE WOULD HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS EXISTING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THIS APPLICANT, THE NEW OWNER, FROM SEEKING A NEW LIQUOR LICENSE.

OKAY. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YES. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, THIS COULD BE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE GOT A PRESENTATION FROM OUR MANAGER FROM CUSTOMER CARE ABOUT SOME OUTSTANDING COMMERCIAL UTILITY BILLS.

AND SO THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO PREJUDICE BECAUSE IT'S A NEW OWNER.

BUT HOW WOULD WE HANDLE IF THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING UTILITY BILL AT THE LOCATION.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCES IS IT A UTILITY LIEN? BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DO NOT OWN THE BUILDING.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE NEW OWNER IS AWARE OF THIS, BUT THAT WAS A PART OF THE PRESENTATION.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE ADDRESSES.

IT WAS ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WAS LISTED IN THE SLIDE.

YES. SO WE HAVE PROCESSES FOR COLLECTION FOR UNPAID UTILITIES.

I AM LOOKING THROUGH ARTICLE F OF OUR CODE TO SEE IF IT ADDRESSES THAT AS ONE OF THE REASONS SOMEONE COULD NOT GET A LIQUOR LICENSE.

AND I'M THINKING THAT IT PROBABLY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE APPLICANT WILL, THE NEW OWNERS SHOULD BE PREJUDICED BECAUSE IT WAS THE ACTIONS OF THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS OWNER.

BUT JUST TRYING TO SEE YOU KNOW, THERE IS THIS OUTSTANDING AMOUNT DUE, IT MIGHT RUN WITH THE LAND, RIGHT.

IT MIGHT RUN WITH THE PROPERTY.

OKAY. BECAUSE IF THEY ARE SEEKING TO CHANGE OVER UTILITY BILLS TO THE NEW OWNER I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT CUSTOMER CARE DOES IN THOSE INSTANCES, IF THE BALANCE NEEDS TO BE ZEROED OUT BECAUSE OF ANY DEBT AND WHETHER THAT'S BY COLLECTION EFFORTS OR IF IT'S ASSUMED.

SO I WILL LOOK HERE AND GET YOU AN ANSWER ON WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY, NOT NECESSARILY THE OPERATOR HAS ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE OUTSTANDING DEBTS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

BECAUSE I ALSO THINK IT GOES ON A TAX BILL.

WE CAN'T COLLECT IT THE SAME WAY WE COLLECT TAXES.

AND SO I WILL LOOK.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO BE, WOULD YOU SAY COUNCIL.

I MEAN, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY.

WE'LL COME UP HERE. OKAY.

THIS WILL NEED A PUBLIC HEARING. AND OKAY.

AND THOSE. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RETURN TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

OKAY. SO WE WILL MOVE NUMBER 11 AS WELL.

COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ALCOHOL LICENSE NAME CHANGE SLASH NEW OWNER TO CREW LOUNGE. FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.

ITEM NUMBER 12 COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON VENDOR CAPITAL CITY

[IV.12. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor, Capital City Electrical Services, LLC, From ITB #2026-1911, for Generator Replacement/New Installation for Ben Hill Pumping Station. NOT TO EXCEED: $299,460.00]

ELECTRIC SERVICES LLC FROM ITB NUMBER 2026-1911 FOR GENERATION GENERATOR REPLACEMENT SLASH NEW INSTALLATION FOR BEN HILL PUMPING STATION NOT TO EXCEED $299,460, AND WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER FOR THAT.

CONSENT FOR CONSENT. ARE WE GOING TO MOVE TO THIS? I WANT TO HEAR IT. OKAY.

DO WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM WATER AND SEWER HERE TODAY? I'M SORRY. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS. OKAY.

SO THIS IS COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON VENDOR CAPITAL CITY ELECTRIC

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SERVICES, LLC FROM ITB 2026 1911 FOR GENERATOR REPLACEMENT INSTALLATION OF BEN HILL PUMPING STATION NOT TO EXCEED $299,000 AND 460.

THIS IS FOR THE $1.6 MILLION WE RECEIVED.

SO THIS IS TOTALLY GRANT FUNDED.

SO OF COURSE WE HAD TO PUT THIS OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BID.

AND OUR DEADLINE TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT IS OCTOBER.

SO WE ARE READY TO GO IF THIS CAN BE MOVED TO CONSENT.

OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

CONSENT. YES, MA'AM. WE WILL.

WHEN IS YOUR DEADLINE FOR THE.

WHEN IS YOUR DEADLINE FOR THE ACTUAL TO GET IT DONE? WE CAN APPLY FOR AN EXTENSION, BUT OCTOBER.

I'M CONFIDENT WE CAN DO THAT.

OKAY. WE HAVE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL FUNDING THIS YEAR, SO WE NEED TO START PREPPING THE TECHNICAL SPECS FOR THOSE BIDS.

SO THE GOAL IS TO NOT BE OVERWHELMED WITH MULTIPLE PROJECTS.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS DONE AND WE CAN START THE OTHER PFAS FILTERS AS WELL AS THE NORMAN BERRY DRIVE PROJECT AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS UNDERWAY.

OKAY. SO WE WILL MOVE THIS TO CONSENT ON NUMBER 12 WILL BE MOVED TO THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING FOR VOTING FOR ACTION.

CONSENT. I'M SORRY. FOR CONSENT. YES.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THE NEXT ITEM YOU HAVE AN. I'M SORRY.

[IV.13. 2 – Ton Heat Pump Installation Turnkey Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor, 5 Seasons Mechanical Division of Thermal Concepts, from ITB #2026-1924, for the 2 - Ton Heat Pump Installation (Turnkey) NOT TO EXCEED: $25,580.40 FUNDING SOURCE: Congressional Directed Spending Source Rewarded to the Water Treatment Plant from a Grant in the Amount of $1.6 Million]

ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 13. WHAT IS THIS? TWO TWO TON HEAT PUMP INSTALLATION.

TURNKEY COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON VENDOR.

FIVE SEASON MECHANICAL DIVISION OF THERMAL CONCEPT FROM THE ITB NUMBER 2026-1924.

FOR THE TWO DASH TON HEAT PUMP INSTALLATION TURNKEY NOT TO EXCEED $25,580.40.

ALL RIGHT. READY? ALL RIGHT.

AND IT'S THE SAME. THIS IS ALSO PART OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT UPGRADE OF THE $1.6 MILLION WE RECEIVED FROM OUR CONGRESS PEOPLE.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS COMPLETED BY OCTOBER SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE OTHER PROJECTS. WE WILL RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR.

OKAY. CONSENT. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE CONSENT. COUNCIL.

ARE WE OKAY WITH CONSENT? YES.

ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM NUMBER 13 WILL BE MOVED TO THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING FOR CONSENT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M SORRY.

OH, OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T FINISH READING IT.

OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 14. ORDINANCE TO EXTEND DATA CENTER CENTER.

[IV.14. Ordinance to Extend Data Center Moratorium]

MORATORIUM PLANNING. YES.

YEAH. I BELIEVE I ADDRESS.

NO, IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE.

YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL HAVE OUR PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, I GUESS ASSIST FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WALK US THROUGH THIS ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND FELLOW COUNCIL.

IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM AS YOU'RE AWARE, A RESOLUTION WAS ENACTED ON JANUARY 12TH, 2026 FOR A MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS.

THAT ORDINANCE, THAT RESOLUTION IS GOING TO EXPIRE ON JULY 17TH.

WE WANTED TO COME TO YOU TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS AS FAR AS EXTENDING THE MORATORIUM.

WHAT YOU SEE, ARE YOU ALL ABLE TO SEE YOUR SCREEN BECAUSE I MAKE COPIES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT.

SO FUTURE DATA CENTER POLICY CONSIDERATIONS.

OUR STAFF HAS WORKED AMONGST OURSELVES ALONG WITH OUR CONSULTANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE INSPIRE.

AND SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE MORATORIUM AS WELL AS DIFFERENT ITEMS IN REFERENCE TO IT.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE THE REVIEW IS TO REVIEW CURRENT CONDITIONS OF OUR DATA CENTER REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW ALSO TO REVIEW BEST PRACTICES DURING THIS MORATORIUM

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PERIOD, AS WELL AS DISCUSS POLICY OPTIONS AND RECEIVE COUNCIL DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL.

WHY THIS MATTERS OR WHY DATA CENTER MATTERS? DATA CENTERS ARE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE THAT PROVIDES FOR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. IT STORES HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, INFORMATION, FINANCIAL SYSTEM, TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS AND DATA, PUBLIC SAFETY AND CLOUD COMPUTING.

THIS SLIDE TELLS US WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA.

BASED ON THE MAP THAT YOU SEE HERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE COUNTIES AND MOSTLY COUNTIES, SOME CITIES THAT ARE EITHER DRAFTING ORDINANCES THAT THEY HAVE IN PROGRESS OR THEY HAVE ADOPTED POLICIES.

DEKALB COUNTY IS CURRENTLY DRAFTING A POLICY.

AND THEN CITY OF ATLANTA, I BELIEVE THEY JUST WENT THROUGH A ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE. SO THEY HAVE PUT SOME POLICIES IN PLACE.

THEIR POLICIES RESTRICT DATA CENTERS NEAR THE BELTLINE AND MARTA.

OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE MORATORIUMS IN PLACE, AS WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE AND SOME OF THOSE COUNTIES.

YOU SEE THE THE RED THE RED DOTS SUCH AS CLAYTON COUNTY, DOUGLAS COUNTY, CAROL BULLOCK, DECATUR AND A FEW OTHERS.

AND THERE ARE OTHER SMALLER JURISDICTIONS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC POLICIES IN PLACE. AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER SPECIFIC ZONING OR ZONING DISTRICTS SUCH AS CITY OF EASTPOINTE.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE DOES ALLOW DATA CENTERS AS A PERMITTED USE IN OUR I ONE, WHICH IS OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

STRICT. HOWEVER, WHAT OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR ARE THE SUBSTATIONS.

SUBSTATIONS ARE NOT AN ALLOWED USE IN OUR I ONE.

SO THERE IS SOME TYPE OF CONTRADICTIONS IN OUR CODE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN DETAIL.

SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES WE RECEIVED FROM OUR CONSULTANTS.

DIFFERENT REGULATIONS FROM LEADING ORGANIZATIONS.

WE'VE RECEIVED DATA AND REPORTS FROM URBAN LAND INSTITUTE, AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, AND THEY INCLUDED A FEW OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE RECENTLY ADOPTED REGULATIONS.

ONE OF THE COUNTIES IS IN GEORGIA, WHICH IS CUMBERLAND COUNTY, YORK COUNTY AND SOUTH CAROLINA, AND FAYETTE COUNTY, WHICH IS ALSO IN GEORGIA.

AS YOU SEE ON THE MATRIX, SOME OF THE TOPICS AND CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE RECOMMENDED AND CONSIDERED TO BE.

YES, YOU SHOULD HAVE THESE TYPE OF CONSIDERATIONS IN YOUR POLICY.

I'LL READ SOME OF THE ONES THAT THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS HAVE COME UP WITH.

TOPIC OF CONSIDERATION DEFINITIONS.

THEY ALL SAID THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC DEFINITION OF DATA CENTER AND RELATED USES THAT RELATED USES WOULD IN OUR, I SPEAK TO THE SUBSTATIONS THAT ARE BASICALLY NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE I-1 ZONING DISTRICT AND EAST POINT UTILITY CAPACITY.

ALL OF THE AGENCIES, THE LEADING AGENCIES THAT WE LOOKED AT AND RECEIVED REPORTS FOR SAID THAT, YES, WE DO NEED TO REVIEW ELECTRIC WATER AND GAS CAPACITY FOR DATA CENTERS IN OUR POLICIES. NOISE STANDARDS SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED, ALTHOUGH APA SAID IT'S RECOMMENDED AND FAYETTE COUNTY RAISED.

THE CONCERN DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THEY CONSIDERED NOISE IN THEIR DATA CENTER.

ORDINANCE BUFFERS AND SCREENING.

MOSTLY ALL SAID THAT THESE SHOULD BE.

THIS SHOULD BE A FACTOR THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE POLICY.

WATER CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS USAGE, PRESSURE AND AVAILABILITY.

ALL THE AGENCIES SAID YES, YOU SHOULD TOUCH ON THAT IN YOUR POLICY COMMUNITY CAPACITY COMPATIBILITY AND ENGAGEMENT.

PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE AGENCIES SAID YES, YOU SHOULD TOUCH ON THAT TOPIC AND CONSIDERATION IN YOUR POLICY AS WE LOOK AT IT.

SCALE BASED REVIEW. ALL WELL, YOU ALL I SAID RECOMMENDED APA SAID RECOMMENDED. CUMBERLAND COUNTY HAVE LIMITED CAPACITY ON THE DIFFERENT SIZES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF DATA CENTERS THAT THEY HAVE.

YORK COUNTY, CAROLINA SAID, YES, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE SCALE BASED ON

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PART OF YOUR REVIEW AND YOUR ORDINANCES AND THE CONDITION IN FAYETTE COUNTY, GEORGIA. THE CONCERN WAS RAISED.

SO WHAT THIS MEANS FOR EASTPOINTE, AND I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE BEFORE I COME BACK TO THAT ONE.

THAT LAST CONSIDERATION DEALT WITH THE TYPE OF DATA CENTERS THAT WE HAVE AND THAT HAVE BEEN DEFINED BY THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES.

AND SO I'M GOING TO GO FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM.

THERE ARE THERE'S A DATA CENTER CALLED MICRO DATA CENTER, WHICH WOULD BE 500 TO 5000FT².

AND IT'S TYPICALLY AN EXISTING BUILDING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR, BUT THERE ARE MANY, MANY BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN CITIES.

AND SPECIFICALLY IN CITY OF ATLANTA WHERE YOU WOULD NOT KNOW FROM THE OUTSIDE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A DATA CENTER.

YOU GO INTO THE BUILDING, IT HAS OFFICE FLOORS, IT HAS AN ELEVATOR, BUT IT IS FULL OF THE LITTLE COMPARTMENTS OF DATA CENTERS.

AND SO IN THESE BUILDINGS ARE USUALLY 5000FT².

THOSE ARE CALLED MICRO CENTERS.

THEN THERE'S A TYPE CALLED AN EDGE DATA CENTER, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIGGER IN SIZE.

IT RUNS FROM 5000FT² TO 25,000FT² IN AREA.

AND THE LAND MASS IS USUALLY 1 TO 5 ACRES.

AND I'LL DO THE EAST POINT SUITABILITY LAST, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TALK OVER THE DIFFERENT TYPES ENTERPRISE DATA CENTER.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT RUNS FROM 25,000FT² TO 100FT², AND IT TAKES A LAND AREA OF ABOUT 5 TO 20 ACRES.

THE REGIONAL DATA CENTERS APPROXIMATELY 100,000 TO 300,000FT² IN AREA, AND IT WOULD TAKE OVER 20 TO 60 ACRES OF SPACE.

THE LARGE REGIONAL CAMPUS, WHICH WOULD BE 300,000 TO 1,000,000FT², TYPICALLY RANGING FROM 50 TO 100 ACRES IN SIZE, WHICH IS WHAT THE MICROSOFT WOULD FALL UNDER, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT.

AND THEN THE HYPERSCALE CAMPUS WHICH IS OVER 01,000,000FT², RUNS ALL THE WAY TO 5 MILLION.

AND IT WOULD TYPICALLY TAKE OVER A LAND AREA OF 100 TO 500 ACRES IN LAND MASS.

THE LAST COLUMN TALKS ABOUT THE CITY OF EAST POINT SUITABILITY, SUITABILITY BASED ON HOW WE LOOKED AND WHAT THE LAND MASS IS AND THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET THAT IT TAKES. EAST POINT FARED PRETTY GOOD FOR THE MICRO AS WELL AS THE EDGE DATA CENTER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LARGE REGIONAL CAMPUS.

IN THE POLICY, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT TYPE OF DATA CENTER WOULD COME UNDER SOME SORT OF REVIEW, NOT TO BE ALLOWED BY.

RIGHT. SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ONE.

AND FOR EACH POINT, IF WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT WE SKIPPED EAST POINT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT'S 14.2MI².

IT'S NOT THAT BIG. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 9000 ACRES A LITTLE BIT OVER.

AGAIN, WE HAVE AN EXISTING DATA CENTER IN EAST POINT ALREADY.

OUR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS WERE PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT, SO TO SPEAK. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO MANY INDUSTRIAL AREAS IN THE CITY OF EAST POINT IS SOMETHING VERY CONCERNING TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF FACILITY THAT WOULD BE OVER THE, THE TWO THAT I SPOKE OF PREVIOUSLY AND REDEVELOPMENT FOCUS.

EAST POINT HAS IS REDEVELOPMENT ORIENTED COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE ARE TYPICALLY BUILT OUT.

SO WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY AND LAND THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND REMAINING INDUSTRIAL LAND.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH LEFT.

SO IT'S A SCARCE RESOURCE.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL HOW WE USE IT AND WHAT WE USE IT FOR.

AND I GUESS WE COULD SKIP TO THE LAST, THE LAST SLIDE OR THE SECOND TO LAST SLIDE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE KEY FINDINGS.

THE KEY FINDINGS IS WHAT WE SAID BEFORE.

EAST POINT ALREADY HOLDS A MAJOR MICROSOFT DATA CENTER WHERE 14.2MI² WE'RE LARGELY BUILT OUT. OUR INDUSTRIAL LAND IS LIMITED AND DATA CENTERS DIFFER FROM TRADITIONAL INDUSTRIAL USES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT MOST WHEN WE ARE RE DOING THE POLICY AND MAKING PROPOSALS FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW.

WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY SPECIFIC AND INTENTFUL ON SEPARATING DATA CENTER USE FROM THE

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TYPICAL INDUSTRIAL USE.

AND AGAIN, MANY GEORGIA COMMUNITIES ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING THIS SAME GUIDELINES FOR DATA CENTERS BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT AND THAT THEY WILL NEED A SPECIAL REVIEW BY THEIR COMMUNITIES.

AND KEY FINDING BEST PRACTICES WE WOULD WANT TO USE WILL BE TO SUPPORT CLEAR STANDARDS AND FOR INFRASTRUCTURE REVIEW BECAUSE, AS STATED, IT USES A LOT OF POWER, A LOT OF WATER AND A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES.

AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT VERY CLOSELY TO PLACE INSIDE OF THE POLICY. WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU.

IN OUR LAST SLIDE WITH I THINK YOU PASSED IT.

STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT'S THE LAST SLIDE. THANK YOU.

SO OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR NEXT STEP.

OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON THE EXISTING MICROSOFT DATA CENTER THAT WE HAVE.

AND I JUST SPOKE ON THESE THINGS.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES NATIONAL AND GEORGIA BEST PRACTICES. WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON THIS AS WE MOVE THROUGH OUR ONGOING ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE EFFORTS. RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO EXTEND THE DATA MORATORIUM AND TO INCORPORATE THE DATA CENTER REGULATIONS INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE AND DEVELOPING CLEAR DEFINITIONS AND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ALSO TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR NOISE BUFFERING AND SCREENING, UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, POWER AND WATER CAPACITY AND COMMUNITY CAPACITY. AND WE WILL RETURN TO COUNCIL WITH PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND AMENDMENTS FOR CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE.

IT WILL BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR REPORT.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.

I'LL MOVE TO COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YES, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR SMITH.

AND IT'S REALLY GOOD TO SEE THIS.

SINCE I SPONSORED THAT MORATORIUM, I HAD ALREADY STARTED PULLING SOME THINGS TOGETHER. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GREAT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD THAT'S WORKING WITH THE ZONING REWRITE THAT WAS ABLE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

AND A LOT OF THE INFORMATION IN HERE I WAS HAPPY TO SEE, BECAUSE IT'S A PART OF THE INFORMATION THAT I WAS GATHERING, PARTICULARLY AROUND DEFINITIONS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE.

AND THAT WAS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST ON THAT SLIDE.

IN ADDITION TO FAYETTE COUNTY, THE CITY OF ATLANTA ALSO CLEARLY DEFINED WHAT A DATA CENTER IS. AND SO I THINK IF WE LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO GLEAN WHAT'S GOING TO BE BEST IN TERMS OF HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. AND I KNOW THAT THE OTHER ONE OF THE OTHER SLIDES SPOKE TO NOT ONLY JUST LOOKING AT GEORGIA, BUT ALSO NATIONALLY.

AND I'M SURE THAT YOU AND THE CONSULTANTS ARE PROBABLY WELL AWARE THAT NORTHERN VIRGINIA IS THE SEAT OF TONS AND TONS OF DATA CENTERS.

AND BASED ON THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS BECAUSE I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER A PRESENTATION. BUT THIS WILL DEFINITELY SUFFICE. JUST SO THAT I CAN SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES. I THINK DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I WANT TO SAY CALIFORNIA BAKERSVILLE MAYBE IN BAKERSVILLE.

THOSE ARE BECOMING HOT SPOTS.

AND SO JUST TO SEE HOW MUNICIPALITIES OR COUNTIES AND THOSE AREAS ARE ADDRESSING THIS THERE ARE QUITE A FEW AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT HERE COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES IN GEORGIA THAT ARE EITHER WORKING ON OR PASSED AN ORDINANCE OR THEY HAVE A MORATORIUM AS WELL.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF MORATORIUMS FOR THE STATE OF GEORGIA ALONE, THIS TO ME IN THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE BEEN DOING, IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S STILL SOME VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS.

AND DATA CENTERS ARE SORT OF LIKE THIS NEW THING.

AND THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT WE MUST CONSIDER AS WE LOOK AT THE POLICY FORWARD.

AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHY THAT LIST IS A LITTLE LONGER THAN THE OTHERS, BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING EVERY DAY.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

I DEFINITELY WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF AN EXTENSION BECAUSE GATHERING THE INFORMATION, SYNTHESIZING IT AND ALL OF THAT IS DEFINITELY A TASK.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? MADAM MAYOR. YES. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.

THIS INFORMATION IS SUPER HELPFUL.

I TOO WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OUT OF CURIOSITY THAT MAYBE YOU SAID, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THE MICROSOFT DATA CENTER THAT'S IN EASTPOINTE TODAY.

HOW WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED ON THAT SCALE THAT YOU PROVIDED? LIKE, WHERE IS IT? WHERE DOES IT FALL ON THAT? IT'S CONSIDERED THE LARGE REGIONAL CAMPUS.

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OKAY, BECAUSE IT, IT SITS ON ABOUT 130 ACRES OR SO, AND I BELIEVE IT'S 300 PLUS.

IT'S OVER TWO BUILDINGS AND IT'S ABOUT 300 PLUS SQUARE FEET.

GOT IT. DO THE MICRO AND EDGE DATA CENTERS REQUIRE SUBSTATIONS AS WELL OR.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THE TYPICAL POWER DEMAND ARE IN THE I GET LESS THAN ONE MW AND THEN 1 TO 10 MW.

NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT.

SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON IT, BUT I COULD DEFINITELY FIND OUT.

GOT IT. AND THEN THE LAST THING I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IS WHEN CAN WE ANTICIPATE MORE INFORMATION? I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A GREAT START FOR US KIND OF LEARNING ABOUT EVEN POTENTIAL OPTIONS OR WHERE WE KIND OF NEED TO BE AND WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD TO. SO I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY RESEARCHING AND PULLING TOGETHER SOME OF THIS INFORMATION. COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS YOU HAVE SOME THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL. SO DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION. BUT WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU MAY COMPLETE SOME OF THIS? SO WE KIND OF KNOW FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF EXTENDING THE MORATORIUM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? OR WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDED TIME FRAME? WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU NEXT WORK SESSION WITH RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE RAISED THIS EVENING. AS FAR AS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR EXTENDING THE MORATORIUM, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXTEND IT TO RUN WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE.

AND THE REWRITE IS DUE EARLY NEXT YEAR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

I THINK THIS IS REALLY GOOD.

I THINK IT HELPS US ESTABLISH BENCHMARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

MY INITIAL QUESTION WAS DATA CENTER PERMITS IN PROCESSES COMPARED TO THE WORKLOAD AND THE CAPACITY IT TAKES COMPARED TO OTHER PROJECTS.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WHEN A DATA CENTER COMES IN OR A PROPOSAL COMES IN, IT TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MANPOWER TO KIND OF GET THAT INFORMATION OUT, TO DO THE RESEARCH AND TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

IS THAT SIGNIFICANTLY THAT YOU CAN NOTE? HI TO? WELL, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE MAJOR LARGE REGIONAL CAMPUS THAT'S MICROSOFT.

AND YES, THAT WAS A HUMONGOUS LIFT.

OKAY. AND THEN THE IMPACT.

I SEE YOU HAVE THE TYPICAL POWER DEMAND.

ARE WE AS ARE THERE PLANS FOR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST RED FLAGGING OR TRACKING HOW THIS MUCH WATTAGE THAT THAT THEY USE OR ARE WE LOOKING AT ON A REGULAR BASIS? LIKE HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY, HOW DO WE GOVERN? I GUESS HOW THEY, HOW MUCH THEY USE? I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO POWER ON THAT.

OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS REPORT.

AND IF COUNCIL HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, THIS ITEM WILL BE MOVED TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION IN JULY. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LIKE TO MOVE IT TO? WE WANT TO DO THE VOTE. I'M SORRY. THE MORATORIUM VOTE.

CORRECT. SO WE NEED TO MOVE IT TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.

CORRECT. NEXT MONDAY. RIGHT.

YES. SO SO THE ITEM NUMBER FOR ITEM NUMBER 14.

ORDINANCE TO EXTEND DATA CENTER MORATORIUM WILL BE ON THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[IV.15. Use Permit for Sec 10-2137 Recycling Center and Processing And Section 10-2080D Distance from Residential. Located at 1577 East Taylor Ave]

SO NOW WE CAN MOVE THE ITEM NUMBER 15.

ITEM NUMBER 15. USE PERMIT FOR SECTION TEN DASH 2137 RECYCLING CENTER AND PROCESSING IN SECTION TEN DASH 2080.

D DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL LOCATION AT 1577 EAST TAYLOR AVENUE.

YES. IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM LOCATED AT 1577 EAST TAYLOR AVENUE, IT'S KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER P 2026, U-001-04, AND CASE NUMBER P2026-001-04. THE APPLICANT IS ROBERTO SOLVENT.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS OUR EYE TO WHICH IS OUR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THE CASE TYPE IS A USE PERMIT WITH CONCURRENT VARIANCES.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A USE PERMIT FOR SECTION 1020 137, WHICH IS OUR RECYCLING CENTER AND PROCESSING USE.

AND THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE DISTANCE FOR BEING WITHIN A MILE OF RESIDENTIAL.

AS STATED, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN I-2 HEAVY ZONING AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY I-2 ON

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THE NORTH AND THE EAST AND THE SOUTH ACROSS TAYLOR AND ALSO BY I-2 AND I ONE ON THE ON THE WEST. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA IS TOWN CENTER SUBAREA ONE.

THE CITY ENVISIONS PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED CENTER OF COMMUNITY INCLUDING HISTORY, CULTURE, BUSINESS AND NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ATTRACTIVE TO VISITORS, COMMUTERS AND RESIDENTS.

THE TYPICAL ZONING DISTRICT IN OUR TOWN CENTER SUBAREA ONE IS R T, WHICH IS OUR RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOMES. R2R3R4.

OUR COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT.

OUR C OUR DISTRICT. MIXED USE DISTRICT EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONAL RCL OUR OIT AND OUR MIXED USE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE TYPICAL IN THAT SUBAREA.

OKAY. STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS DENIAL BASED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION AND SOME OF THE TYPICAL ZONING DISTRICT.

HOWEVER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THE THREE STAFF CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE.

I WOULD READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD.

CONDITION NUMBER ONE APPLICANT MUST ADHERE TO ALL WATER AND SEWER COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT REQUIREMENTS. CONDITION NUMBER TWO APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE AN OPERATIONS PLAN FOR INTENDED USE. CONDITION NUMBER THREE.

APPLICANT MUST COORDINATE WITH THE CITY TO MITIGATE ANY NOXIOUS EMISSIONS, SUCH AS ODOR OR SOUND.

AND WELL, REALLY ANY NOXIOUS ADMITTANCE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF IMPOSED, AND PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

EVENING. HELLO. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU.

HI THERE. SO WE'RE SALVATION NATION.

WE'RE HERE FOR THE THE USE PERMIT.

WE. I'M SORRY. MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS TIFFANY SULLIVAN. MY ADDRESS IS TEN IS 1210 LYNN WAY, AUSTELL, GEORGIA, ZIP CODE 30168. MY NAME IS ROBERT SULLIVAN.

I HAVE THE SAME ADDRESS.

I'M SORRY, IT'S 1212, 12.

TEN. LING WEI. GEORGIA.

AUSTELL. GEORGIA. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE ARE ALREADY IN A IN A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREA.

WE ARE A OIL COMPANY THAT IS TRYING TO COME IN EAST POINT.

WE ARE RIGHT NOW OUR, WE WOULD LIKE TO START THE SERVICE TO THE RESTAURANT RESTAURANTS.

WE GO AHEAD AND WE COLLECT FROM THEIR OIL BINS.

WE. THIS IS HOW OUR OIL BINS LOOK.

RESTAURANTS POUR IT, WE PICK IT UP AND WE GO AHEAD, WE STORE IT. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, WE DO WANT TO DO PROCESSING.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE APPLYING FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD JUST BE STORING.

AND THEN WE SELL IT OFF TO OUR PROPER BUYERS WHO WOULD CHANGE IT INTO DIESEL AND MAKEUP MEDICINE. EVEN COCA-COLA USES IT.

ITS MULTI STUFF THAT OIL GETS USED FOR.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE NOTICED AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO AVOID THIS.

THESE ARE OIL LEAKS. WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT OIL LEAKS.

WE ARE WORKING WITH OTHER COMPANIES TRYING TO AVOID HAVING OVERFLOWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WE DO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WE RUN THROUGH.

THEY, THEY NOTIFY ALL THE, THE CUSTOMERS.

DO WE NEED AN OIL PICKUP? IF THEY SAY YES, WE GO AHEAD AND GET IT.

IF NOT, THE CUSTOMER WILL REACH OUT TO US, SAY, HEY, I HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO DO ONE MORE DUMP.

BUT THEY GET AUTOMATICALLY ADDED ON TO A ROSTER, A ROUTE THAT WE GO AHEAD AND WE GO AHEAD AND PICK UP.

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THIS IS ONE OF THE SHOPS THAT WE HAVE DOWN IN FULLERTON.

THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEM IS HOLDS EVERYTHING WITH PVC PIPES TO CONTAIN ANY SPILLS OR ANY ORDERS. IT ALL GOES THROUGH PVC PIPES.

THESE ARE THE CONTAINMENTS WE WOULD HAVE RETENTION WALLS OF FOR ANY SPILLAGE, JUST IN CASE. BUT IF YOU SEE THERE ON THE PICTURE, WE WOULD HAVE PVC PIPES BECAUSE EVERYTHING WOULD BE CONNECTED THROUGH PVC AND THAT THAT'S HOW OIL WOULD ALL GET TRANSFERRED THROUGH CONTAINMENT.

AND THEY'RE ALL SEALED.

THAT MEANS THEY WON'T HAVE NO ODOR OR ANYTHING COMING OUT OF IT.

THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ONCE WE DO DO THE RECYCLING.

WE'LL HAVE A CONTAINMENT.

YOU HAVE THE BOILER, A HEATING ELEMENT AND AGAIN A RETENTION WALL.

AGAIN WE WOULD DEFINITELY CONTAIN IT.

THAT'S JUST FOR A JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE IN CASE ANYTHING DOES SPILL.

BUT IT WOULD ALWAYS BE THROUGH PVC PIPING.

JUST ANOTHER FEATURE. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW WE WOULD ALWAYS MAINTAIN IT CLEAN.

TRY TO HAVE NO SPILLAGE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE WASTE.

WE WOULD GET RID OF WATER WASTE THROUGH THE PROPER SOURCES.

WE DO USE TWO COMPANIES, WHICH IS EASY GREASE AND GREASE CONNECTIONS.

AND THEN OUR DRY SETTLEMENT, WE ACTUALLY DISPOSE OF IT WITH FARMERS.

LOCAL FARMERS. THAT WAY WE CAN GET RID OF IT.

I KNOW NO SOUND WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT EAST POINT HAD AN ISSUE WITH.

I BELIEVE THIS VIDEO. WE CAN PLAY IT.

THAT'S MOST OF THAT SOUND IS THE SHAKER.

IT'S THE SHAKING ALL THE SETTLEMENT OR ANYTHING.

THAT'S CONTAMINATED WITH THE OIL.

SO IT GETS CLEANED OUT.

IT GOES INTO A SHAKER, INTO A SAND BAG, WHICH GETS FILTERED OUT.

ANY EXCESS OIL GETS IN THERE, ALSO GOES INTO THE OIL.

ALL THE DRY SETTLEMENT STUFF GETS TAKEN TO PIG FARMS WILL BE FOR COMPOST AND ALSO FOR PIG FEEDING. AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT OUR BUSINESS OUT HERE ON EAST POINT.

JUST THAT WAY WE CAN HELP THE COMPANY GROW.

WE ARE A STARTING OFF COMPANY.

I WENT WE WENT AHEAD WHEN WE CAME TO EAST POINT, THEY SAID, PUT EVERYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO DO. AND SO WE PUT IT ALL OUT THERE AND WE JUST WAITING TO SEE IF WE IF YOU GUYS DO APPROVE US TO BE HERE, BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY ARE A HUSBAND AND WIFE THAT ARE TRYING TO GROW AND DO SOMETHING BIG THAT WE CAN WE DO SEE A FUTURE IN THIS FOR US.

AND WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO START IT HERE AT EAST POINT.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN COMING.

IN. OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

AND THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING BRINGING YOUR BUSINESS TO THE CITY OF EAST POINT.

BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. HOW LARGE IS THE FACILITY THAT YOU HAVE ON? THAT'S AT 15. HOW LARGE IS THAT FACILITY? RIGHT NOW IT'S OVER 600 ZERO FEET SQUARE, 6000FT².

YES, MA'AM. AND HOW LONG DO YOU STORE THE GREASE? I SAW THE BIG CONTAINERS. WHAT'S THE GALLONS OF THOSE? THOSE ARE 3000. THE GALLONS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IS 3000.

4000 GALLONS. THREE AND 4000 GALLONS.

AND HOW MANY OF THOSE DO YOU HAVE ON SITE? RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE TWO TWO PLASTIC CONTAINERS AND TWO STEEL CONTAINERS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN USED BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO MODIFY THEM AND FIX THEM PROPERLY.

WE DON'T JUST WANT TO POUR OIL IN THERE AND HAVE EVERYTHING LEAK OUT.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S READY TO GO BEFORE WE PUT ANYTHING, WHICH WE DO TEST WITH WATER BEFORE WE PUT OIL IN THERE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO LEAKS AT ALL COMING OUT OF THE WATER IS NOT GOING THROUGH. OIL IS NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ANY DAY. OKAY.

AND HOW LONG DOES THE OIL STAY ON SITE BEFORE YOU SEND IT OFF? THAT WAS IT. GREASE. IT DOESN'T STAY LONGER THAN NO MORE THAN 24 HOURS, NO MORE THAN 24 HOURS COMING IN AND CONSTANTLY COMING OUT.

SO IT'S NOT STAYING LONG.

OKAY. AND WHAT ARE YOUR WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION? FROM 9 TO 5. 9 TO 5. NOW, I HEARD THE NOISE.

AND I KNOW, OF COURSE THAT'S ALL THAT WE HEAR HERE.

SO DO YOU HEAR THAT NOISE OUT FROM OUTSIDE? NO, MA'AM. NO. YOU ACTUALLY HEAR OUR NEIGHBORS MORE THAN YOU HEAR US.

WE'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM REDDY ICE. ICE? SO YOU HEAR THEM MORE THAN YOU WOULD HEAR US.

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OKAY. AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS, IS IT REQUIRED THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A GREASE TRAP. THEY ASKED SO WATER AND SEWER DID COME, AND THEY ASKED IF WE CAN INSTALL A GREASE TRAP.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE LAND THAT WE'RE ON IS RENTED.

IT'S NOT OURS. WE DON'T OWN IT.

THE LANDLORD IS NOT OKAY WITH DOING A GREASE TRAP BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO DIG UP THE CEMENT ON IT. SO WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE.

IF WE CAN DO A RETENTION WHILE HIGHER IS THAT OF PUTTING A GREASE TRAP BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY TURNING THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE FACILITY INTO A POOL.

SO IN CASE ANYTHING DOES SPILL OUT, IT'S CONTAINED INSIDE AND WE'RE ABLE TO PUT IT INTO ANOTHER CONTAINMENT.

SO IT'S NOT JUST STAYING ON THE FLOOR, IT'S GOING TO ANOTHER CONTAINMENT.

OKAY. I KNOW I'M LOOKING AT THE STORAGE CONTAINERS THAT YOU HAVE, AND IF FOR SOME REASON ONE OF THEM ENDS UP WITH A HOLE IN IT AND IT'S STARTING TO SPILL.

YOU SAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CONTAINMENT.

CONTAINMENT? YES. YES.

SO IT'S A CONTAINMENT WALL AND WE WILL PUT ON.

IT'S A SILICONE I SEE RIGHT HERE.

OKAY. SO WE WHAT OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE.

IT WOULD BE HIGHER. I WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE ABOUT A FOOT A FOOT AND A HALF HIGHER.

THAT WAY IF IT DOES OVERFLOW, IT'S A GOOD AMOUNT THAT IT WON'T OVERFLOW ON ANYTHING. OKAY. DIRECTOR SMITH.

MY QUESTION IS FOR DIRECTOR. IS THAT ALLOWABLE? ALLOWABLE? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK, THAT EASTPOINTE WOULD CONSIDER BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE? THE GREASE TRAP IS A REQUIREMENT.

THE GREASE TRAP IS A REQUIREMENT, YES.

OKAY. LET'S SEE. SO THE GREASE TRAP IS REQUIRED NOW.

SO IF THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR YOU TO GET THE.

TO HAVE YOU. YOU HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY AREN'T.

THEY AREN'T OPEN TO. CORRECT.

YES. SO IF IF IT'S A REQUIREMENT AND WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH EAST POINT, THE LANDLORD IS AWARE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT CONTRACT WITH HIM.

OKAY. BUT AGAIN, WE, WE WANT TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WATER AND SEWER.

THAT WAY WE CAN BE THERE AGAIN, THIS WE'RE JUST STARTING OFF, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO START OFF IN EAST POINT.

OKAY. EXCUSE ME.

OKAY.

SHOULD I SAY SOMETHING? I HAVE. SOMETHING.

TO SAY.

I'M SORRY. WHILE WE'RE IN. WHILE WE'VE LOST THE QUORUM, CAN WE JUST CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD WITH WHO IS STILL IN ATTENDANCE RIGHT NOW.

DO YOU WANT ME TO GO? YEAH, JUST A ROLL CALL.

JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE. BUT COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN RODGERS DIDN'T LEAVE. I THINK SHE JUST STEPPED OUT FOR A SECOND.

SHE DIDN'T. IS SHE COMING BACK? SHE IS. YEAH. YEAH. SHE JUST STEPPED OUT.

OKAY, OKAY. WE CAN PROCEED.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU WERE ASKING THE QUESTION.

COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS WAS ANSWERING THE QUESTION. YES.

CAN I ASK THE DIRECTOR OF WATER AND SEWER A QUESTION REGARDING WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. SO THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS CAN BE DONE IS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A GREASE TRAP.

THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED.

CORRECT. PER EAST POINT.

YES. SO THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE.

IN ORDER FOR YOU TO HAUL GREASE YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE MIC, PLEASE? YES. YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED BY ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION DIVISION AS A HAULER.

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BUT ALSO THE WHOLE POINT OF THE COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT PROGRAM IS TO PRETTY MUCH MINIMIZE ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION.

AND SO WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING WITH THE TRANSPORTER LAW IS GIVING PEOPLE A MANIFEST FOR THAT WASTE, RIGHT? SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE FROM BIRTH TO GRAVE, KIND OF YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT WASTE AND IT TRACKS IT. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THESE LARGE UNITS, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SPILLAGE ON SITE.

OKAY. NOT INTENTIONAL.

IT CAN BE UNINTENTIONAL.

I AM NOT INVOLVED YET.

I KNOW, I KNEW, THAT'S WHY I STAYED, I SAW THE T SHIRTS, SO I STAYED JUST IN CASE YOU GUYS HAD QUESTIONS.

BUT NO, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED.

THE WHOLE POINT IS FOR ANY TYPE OF SPILLAGE TO BE CONTAINED IN A GREASE TRAP AND OIL WATER SEPARATOR. AND THEN FROM THAT WASTE, THAT WASTE IS DISCHARGED INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM BEING OPPOSED TO ENTERING OUR STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO CONTAMINATING ANY GROUNDWATER RESOURCES OR GETTING INTO THE NEAREST WATERWAY.

SO YES, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT ORDINANCE.

AND SO NO, A WALL WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.

THAT'S NOT COMPLIANCE.

IF THAT'S THE CASE. LONGHORN, WALMART.

I MEAN, I COULD GO ON AND ON.

EVERYONE ELSE IS REQUIRED.

SO SINCE THEY'RE MANUFACTURING AND TREATING IT ON SITE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A GREASE TRAP OR A WATER SEPARATOR, YOU SAID OR WATER. YEAH.

THERE ARE BOTH. IT JUST SEPARATES PROCESSING FROM GRIT AND OIL AND WATER.

AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE GREASE TRAP. THE GOAL IS TO PUT IT IN A CONTAINED ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT CAN BE HAULED OFF, AND THEN WHATEVER RESIDUAL FLUIDS CAN FLOW INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM, WHICH IS TREATED BY FULTON COUNTY IN ATLANTA, TO OPPOSE TO IT GOING INTO OUR STORM SYSTEM, WHICH GOES TO THE NEAREST WATERWAY OR CONTAMINATING OUR GROUNDWATER RESOURCES.

SO AGAIN, YES, THEY HAVE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT.

THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL GREASE RECYCLING FACILITY.

SO YES, THEY HAVE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT.

THANK YOU. AND I YIELD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER AND COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. YES.

THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE WHO THIS QUESTION SHOULD GO TO.

I KNOW THAT I WAS AT A COLONIAL HILLS MEETING, AND THE PRESIDENT THERE STATED THAT SHE RECEIVED A NOTICE FOR THIS APPLICATION, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY TO THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT REALLY SO, SO YOU ALL ARE LOCATED IN BETWEEN EAST WASHINGTON AND CENTER PARK AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE OF THE APPLICATION.

WASHINGTON. I'M SORRY.

YOU. YOU LOST ME. I YOU'RE SAYING WHERE WE'RE LOCATED IS IN THE WRONG AREA? SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE.

I THINK I HAD SENT AN EMAIL ABOUT THIS WHERE THERE WAS A PRESIDENT FROM A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY FAR AWAY.

RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF THE, OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE PRESIDENTS OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THIS FACILITY HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED.

WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

WE HAVE THAT IN OUR FILES AND I CAN GET A RESPONSE BACK OUT TO YOU IN REFERENCE TO THAT. OKAY. AND THEN IN THE SPIRIT OF THE RECYCLING PIECE SO THERE'S GOING TO BE PARTS OF THE OIL THAT WILL NOT BE RECYCLED AND WILL BE SOMEHOW TRANSPORTED OFF THE PROPERTY.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

SO IT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S YOUR DRY SETTLEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD ALL LIKE.

MY HUSBAND SAID IT WOULD BE PUT IN A RICE BAG, AND THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY PICKED UP FROM A LOCAL FARMER.

AND THEY WOULD BE THE ONES TRANSPORTING IT OFF THE, THE PREMISES. NOW, WE DO HAVE A LICENSE FOR HAULING OIL.

WE DO HAVE A LICENSE. WE HAVE A VEHICLE THAT TRANSPORTS THE VEHICLE, THE OIL AND EVERYTHING SAFELY, AND IT TAKES IT TO OUR FACILITIES.

NOW LIKE I SAID, WE WERE TRYING OUR BEST AS MUCH AS WE CAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A BOOK THAT TELLS US EVERYTHING.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING BASED ON WHAT EVERYBODY TELLS US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING AS HARD AS WE CAN NOW.

LIKE I SAID, THEY NEED A, A GREASE TRAP AND STUFF.

LIKE I'VE WORKED IN THIS BUSINESS FOR OVER 14 YEARS WITH DIFFERENT BUYERS, DIFFERENT COMPANIES. NOW ONE TIME I'VE EVER SEEN A GREASE TRAP.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE TO HEAR THAT I HAVE TO BUILD ONE.

SO EVERYBODY ELSE. RETENTION WALL ALL THE WAY FROM MIAMI TO NEW YORK TO NORTH CAROLINA.

AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN FINE.

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RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONE IN GRIFFIN AND THEY GOT PASSED WITH A RETENTION WALL.

NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BUILDING A GREASE TRAP.

SO FOR US TO HEAR THIS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE HEARING IT.

SO LIKE I SAID, WE GOT TO BUILD ONE.

THE LANDLORD'S NOT GOING TO LET US DO IT.

SO WE WILL HAVE TO COUNCIL EVERYTHING AND GO BACK TO GRIFFIN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN. SO? SO YOU SAID THAT YOU PUT IT INTO A RICE BAG.

IT'S A SANDBAG. SO WHAT IT DOES, IT LETS ALL THE LIQUID OUT AND JUST KEEPS WHATEVER SEDIMENTS KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S IT CALLED.

WHERE THEY USE FOR CHEESECLOTH. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A CHEESECLOTH BASICALLY.

SO IT'S JUST DRY. IT KEEPS ALL THE SEDIMENT INSIDE AND LEAVES ALL THE OIL DOWN INTO CONTAINMENT. THEN WE SUCK UP ALL THAT OIL AND THEN ANYTHING THAT'S DRY, WE PUT IT IN BAGS AND WE TAKE IT TO LOCAL FARMERS.

WELL, PIG FARMERS, THEY COME AND PICK IT UP.

OKAY. SO THEN THE THE BAGS ARE OILY.

NO, IT'S DRY SETTLEMENT.

IT'S FOOD CRUMBS, BONES, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY USE FOR HEART.

IF I CAN PITCH IN DRY COFFEE, YOU KNOW HOW DRY COFFEE YOU PUT IT IN WITH THE WATER AND THEN YOU, LIKE, KIND OF SQUEEZE IT.

RIGHT? AND THEN THE COFFEE COMES ABOVE.

SO THINK OF IT VICE VERSA, WE WOULD PUT IT ALL AND THEN IT WOULD ALL THE OIL WOULD SIT IN THE CONTAINMENT AND THAT BAG WILL BE LIFTED AND IT WILL JUST COMPRESS EVERYTHING. SO ALL THE OIL WILL SIT IN A CONTAINMENT.

AND ONCE THAT BAG IS FULLY DRY, IT GOES THE OIL.

LIKE MY HUSBAND SAID, THE OIL WILL BE PICKED UP AND THEN THAT DRY SETTLEMENT WILL BE SOLD TO THE LOCAL FARMERS.

OKAY. AND AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE FOR THAT.

I'M SORRY. AND THAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE FOR THAT.

IT'S BEEN THE PRACTICE FOR EVERY OIL COMPANY THAT I'VE HEARD.

YES. THAT I'VE TALKED TO.

EVEN DARPA DOES IT. ALL THE MAJOR COMPANIES DO IT AND THEY SELL IT TO THE PIG FARMERS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

I'M SORRY. NO. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL.

MY APOLOGIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.

SO YOUR THE ASK IS TO NOT BUILD THE GREASE TRAP.

WELL, THE ASK IS WE WERE ASKING TO HAVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO PROCESSING LATER ON. OUR GOAL TO PROCESS WOULD BE IN SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET IS OUR BUSINESS LICENSE PLUS THE PROCESSING.

SO THAT WAY IT'S ALL IN ONE ALREADY.

SO ONCE MY. ONCE I'VE SUCCEEDED WHERE I WANTED MY HOW WE HAD THE SHOP, WE CAN BEGIN THE PROCESSING.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY.

AFTER THE MEETING THAT I HAD WITH THE PRIOR COUNCIL MET WITH FOG AND WATER, THAT'S WHEN WE WERE TOLD ABOUT THE GREASE TRAP. SO NOW THAT PART OF THE GREASE TRAP CAME INTO THIS COUNCIL HEARING BECAUSE WE ARE AGAIN, IT'S WE'RE RENTING A PROPERTY.

OUR LEASE IS ONLY GOOD FOR THREE YEARS.

OUR LANDLORD SEES THE POTENTIAL IN US AS WELL.

SO IT'S JUST WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET APPROVAL WITHOUT THAT GREASE TRAP BECAUSE AGAIN, MULTIPLE COMPANIES DON'T HAVE THAT GREASE TRAP.

AND IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN EVERY RESTAURANT THAT HAS A CONTAINMENT IN THE BACK WOULD NEED A GREASE TRAP AT THE CONTAINMENT AREA.

BECAUSE IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ORDERS AND SMELLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S LITERALLY BEHIND EVERY RESTAURANT.

IT'S COOKING OIL. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT AND PUT INTERNAL SYSTEMS INSIDE THE RESTAURANT TO PREVENT FROM PEOPLE FROM STEALING THE COOKING OIL, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS PEOPLE STEALING COOKING OIL RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

DID YOU GET YOUR ANSWER QUESTION? I STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE.

OKAY. SO ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD, ASK YOUR QUESTION. SO I GUESS I WASN'T UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WAS THE ASK IN THE BEGINNING. AND SO MAYBE CAN YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RETENTION AND THE THE GREASE TRAP.

SO THE GREASE TRAP IS UNDERGROUND.

YOU KNOW, THEY PUT A CONTAINER.

SO ANYTHING THAT FALLS INTO THE GREASE TRAP COULD GET COLLECTED.

IT'S AT THE SITE, LIKE AT THE ACTUAL RESTAURANT SITE UNDER THE BOX THAT YOU SHOWED. WELL, THERE IS NONE IN NO RESTAURANTS.

THAT'S. YEAH. THEY'RE WE'RE GOING TO WE WILL HAVE IT HERE, BUT THERE'S NONE IN THOSE RESTAURANTS.

THEY HAVE CONTAINMENT WALLS.

THEY HAVE CONTAINMENT WALLS. NOW, YOU SEE, THIS IS ONE RESTAURANT.

THERE'S NO CONTAINMENT WALL. THERE IS NOTHING.

EVERY IT RAINS, EVERYTHING LEAKS OUT.

EVERYTHING GOES INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM.

AND THEN JUST SO I CAN GET A VISUAL.

BUT THE GREASE TRAP WOULD SIT UNDER THIS BOX.

CORRECT. IF IT WAS. IF THEY WANTED A GREASE TRAP.

YES. SO WHAT THEY. WHAT IF I'M HEARING CORRECT FROM THE WATER?

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SEWER IS WHAT THEY WANT IS FOR US TO PUT A GREASE TRAP UNDERNEATH AT OUR SHOP.

BUT IT COMES TO, AGAIN, IF WE HAVE CONTAINERS OUT THERE LIKE THIS, THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE GREASE TRAPS UNDER THEM TO AVOID THE LEAKING AND GOING INTO THE SEWER LINE. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CAN WE CONVERT IT INSTEAD OF IT BEING UNDERGROUND? CAN WE MAKE IT ABOVE GROUND HIGH ENOUGH WHERE WE CAN GO UP TO TWO FEET UP ON A RETENTION WALL? SO THAT WAY, INSTEAD OF IT BEING UNDERGROUND, I CAN HAVE IT ABOVE. AND LET'S SAY I AM HERE FOR THREE, TEN PLUS YEARS. IF WE NEED TO REBUILD OR FIX IT OR ADD ADDITIONAL FOOTAGE, WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S ABOVE GROUND AND NOT BREAK CONCRETE.

GOT IT. ANOTHER JUST QUESTION ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL AND THIS MAY BE SPECIFIC FOR, FOR YOUR COMPANY, JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING.

YES. OF COURSE, IF IF, IF YOU ALL HAVE HAD ANY ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS OR ANY LIKE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS IN THE PAST, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR SOME TIME. NOT IN ANY, ANY CITIES. UNFORTUNATELY, EASTPOINTE DID COME TO THE SHOP WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE WE WERE SETTING UP.

THEY THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO APPLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE.

WE KIND OF JUST WENT IN AND WE DID OUR THING.

NOW I KNOW I'M A FIRST TIME BUSINESS OWNER, SO WE DO HAVE A CURRENT VIOLATION.

THE JUDGE IS ACTUALLY WAITING FOR JUST TO, TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THE FINAL SAY.

THAT WAY I KNOW WHAT WHERE MY CASE ENDS.

BUT AS OF OTHER OTHER PLACES, WE HAVE NO PRIOR VIOLATIONS.

OKAY. LAST QUESTION, I PROMISE.

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY AS FAR AS LIKE JOBS, HAVE YOU CREATED JOBS HERE IN EASTPOINTE OR IS THERE AN ANTICIPATION TO CREATE JOBS? SO JOBS, YOU MEAN LIKE RESTAURANTS? NO JOBS AS EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYER.

EMPLOYER? NO, IT'S JUST ME AND MY HUSBAND.

AND THEN YOU HAVE OUR FRIENDS THAT JUST CAN'T WEAR THE SHIRT TO, LIKE, SUPPORT US. NO, NO, WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE JOBS, YOU KNOW? SO BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE NEED JOBS, EVERYBODY KEEPS ASKING US FOR WORK, BUT WE'RE NOT OPEN YET.

WE CAN'T YET, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO CREATE JOBS, WHICH IS WELDERS, DRIVERS, YOU KNOW, WASTE MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, JUST WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING FROM NOTHING.

GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

I THINK THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, MANY OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED BY MY COLLEAGUES OF YOU. BUT THE OTHER QUESTIONS I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE OF DIRECTOR SMITH.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS A YOUTH, A USE PERMIT WITH A CONCURRENT VARIANCE.

I, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A DISTANCE VARIANCE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT I HEARD VARIANCES.

IS THERE MORE THAN ONE VARIANCE.

NO. IT'S JUST THE ONE FOR THE DISTANCE.

OKAY. AND WHAT IS THAT.

THE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS REQUIRED AND WHAT IS WHAT EXISTS IN TERMS OF THEIR SEEKING A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THAT FROM X TO TO Y.

WHAT IS THAT DISTANCE.

I COULD PULL UP THE MAP.

IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE NEXT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

IT'S VERY, VERY CLOSE.

OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S 5000.

IT'S 5280 LINEAR FEET.

AND THEY WANT A VARIANCE TO WHAT? 200FT? I DON'T KNOW. VERY VERY CLOSE.

WAS THAT A PART OF THEIR APPLICATION. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO TO STATE IT'S ACROSS THE STREET.

IT'S REALLY CLOSE. OKAY.

SO IS THAT LIKE 200FT OR DID THEY NOT STATE IN THEIR APPLICATION? NO.

I DON'T HAVE THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF ME.

OKAY, OKAY. BUT I CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH US.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ALSO YOU MENTIONED TO COUNCILMAN ZIEGLER, BECAUSE IT WAS BIZARRE TO US TO BE IN THE COLONIAL HILLS MEETING AND TALK ABOUT THIS ADDRESS AND TAYLOR.

AND SO MY OTHER QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE A PART OF THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS.

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SO. HOW MANY RESIDENTS SHOWED UP TO SEE ZIM AND WHAT WAS THAT FEEDBACK? AND I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IF THE NOTICES WENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY SAID, OH, THIS IS NOT EVEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ANY PARTICIPATION.

SO FOR THE CCIM MEETING THAT THEY ATTENDED, IT WAS ON TUESDAY, APRIL 14TH, AND THE CCI MS ARE ON THE ZOOM PLATFORM AND WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 15 ATTENDEES. OKAY. AND NO IMMEDIATE CONCERNS WERE PROVIDED AT THAT MEETING.

BUT AGAIN, WE'LL LOOK BACK INTO OUR RECORDS BECAUSE WE PULLED THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM FULTON COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR RECORDS.

OKAY. SO WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS, I YIELD. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN MIKE ROGERS AND THEN I HAVE YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I'M GLAD THAT MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUE WAS ABLE TO ASK YOU ALL IF YOU ARE OPENING IF YOU ARE OPEN TO HIRING EASTPOINTE RESIDENTS FOR, FOR JOBS. AS WE KNOW, THESE ARE VERY CRITICAL TIMES, BUT I WANTED TO LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL, AND THAT YOU MUST ADHERE TO ALL WATER AND SEWER COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT REQUIREMENTS. YOU MUST PROVIDE AN OPERATIONS PLAN TO THE INTENDED USE, AND YOU MUST COORDINATE WITH THE CITY TO MITIGATE ANY NOXIOUS, ADMITTANCES SOUND OR ODOR BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THEN OUR STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL.

BUT ALSO THESE SAME THREE THINGS.

ARE YOU ALL WILLING TO DO THIS FOR YOUR BUSINESS HERE IN EAST POINT? I GUESS THAT WILL BE MY QUESTION.

YES. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS THAT YOU ADHERE TO ALL THE WATER AND SEWER COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT REQUIREMENTS.

AND YOU MUST PROVIDE AN OPERATIONS PLAN FOR THE INTENDED USE AND THAT YOU MUST COORDINATE FOR ANY EMITTANCE, SOUND, ODOR, ETC.

BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO ARE YOU ALL WILLING TO DO THESE THINGS FOR YOUR BUSINESS? YES WE ARE. WE'RE WINNING.

WE ACTUALLY STARTED DRAFTING ALL HOW WE WANT THE PLANT TO BE COMPLETED.

THAT WAY WE CAN TURN IT INTO THE WATER SEWER.

AND WITH THE WATER AND SEWER WHERE THE WATER WOULD BE DISPOSED OF, IT IS IT'S A WASTE MANAGEMENT PLANT.

BASICALLY. ANYTHING THAT'S WATER, FAT AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS TAKEN TO A WASTE AND GETS DISPOSED OF PROPERLY.

THERE WE WILL HAVE A MANIFEST TOWARDS THE TOWARDS THE WASTE.

NOW WE DON'T HAVE A MANIFEST TOWARDS THE OIL BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S PURCHASED. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING PAID FOR IT COMPARED TO THE WASTE WATER THAT WE'RE PAYING.

SO THAT'S A DEBT. THAT'S NOT A PROFIT.

OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IN THAT PLAN SOMEWHERE TO MY COLLEAGUE'S POINT I GUESS JUST JOB OPENINGS ONCE YOU ALL ARE UP AND RUNNING.

YES. COORDINATING WITH THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE FOR RESIDENTS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR EMPLOYMENT AT THIS FACILITY.

NO. IS THERE A WEBSITE WHERE WE COULD SET SOMETHING UP SO PEOPLE COULD APPLY? I GUESS THAT WE COULD WORK ON COORDINATION OF THOSE EFFORTS, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THIS AS A PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

YES, MA'AM. THAT WOULD JUST BE LIKE A COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION FOR ME.

YEAH. WE, WE WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE POSITIONS.

LIKE MY HUSBAND SAID IT WOULD BE WELDERS.

WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, DELIVERY MEANING DROPPING OFF TANKS, SETTING THEM UP PROPERLY.

I WOULD DEFINITELY NEED A SALES REPS.

WE WOULD NEED AN ANSWERING SERVICE BECAUSE WE ARE A GROWING COMPANY AS OF RIGHT NOW.

JUST US TWO. WE HAVE 150 RESTAURANTS THAT WE ARE LITERALLY COLLECTING AND TAKING CARE OF.

AND WE ARE A HUSBAND AND WIFE WITH KIDS.

SO IT'S LIKE WE'RE NONSTOP AND WE DO PROVIDE PRESSURE WASHING AND CLEANING.

WE ALSO PROVIDE SECURITY CAMERAS FOR, LIKE I SAID, THEFT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE BREAKING INTO CONTAINERS, STEALING YOU KNOW, MAKING A MESS EVERYWHERE.

WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY.

WE GET REPORTS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND ALL WE DO IS REPORT TO THE COP AND NOTHING GETS DONE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN COMING.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

SO I WAS JUST GOOGLED TO SEE IF YOU COULD HAVE A ABOVE GROUND GREASE TRAP.

AND IT SAYS YES IN EAST POINT AND I PULLED UP IT'S OUR WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT, COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT, INTERIOR SYSTEMS OR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND ITEM NUMBER THREE.

NUMBER TWO. I'M SORRY. IT SAYS INTERIOR GREASE TRAPS SHOULD BE PLACED ABOVE THE FLOOR AND NOT RECESSED INTO THE FLOOR.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPLICABLE TO RESTAURANTS OR NO, BUT IT DOES SAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN ABOVE GROUND GREASE TRAP IN THE FACILITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE MAY PUT SOME MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS INTO.

OKAY. AND HERE SHE COMES.

SO AND I'M, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I WANT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.

SO I'M JUST WELL, WE WANT, I WANT TO, I WANT TO MAKE IT WORK TOO.

BUT I MEAN, I, I WANT TO MAKE IT WORK TOO.

I JUST KNOW THAT THE LOCATION, THE WARD THAT IT'S IN AND THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING, AND I KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE THE FIRST DEPARTMENT THAT'S CALLED. SO I LIKE TO BE 100% TRANSPARENT WITH EVERYONE IN IT.

SO IN TERMS OF AN INTERIOR GREASE TRAP, THAT'S FOR LIKE SUBWAY.

OKAY. LONG HORNS, CHICK FIL A, AND THIS IS A COMMERCIAL FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE PROCESSING, I'M ASSUMING THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF EAST POINT. OKAY. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THEY WERE CONDUCTING BUSINESS ALREADY.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

SO I ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY HAD A PREVIOUS CITATION.

SO I GET IT. THEY NEED TO HAVE IT IN THE GROUND UNIT TO PREVENT THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD ALREADY ON SITE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT THE REASON WHY THEY'RE SO AWARE OF OUR ISSUES IS BECAUSE WE DID HAVE TO SITE THEM.

THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT DID ISSUE A CITATION TO THIS BUSINESS.

OKAY. SO THEY NEED TO THEY NEED TO HAVE IT.

AND I DO HAVE PICTURES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE OF WHAT WE FOUND ON SITE VERSUS WHAT IS NEEDED.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTERIOR UNIT OR AN INTERIOR UNIT IN THE GROUND TO CATCH THE WASTE THAT'S HITTING THE GROUND. OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. I'M SORRY. ONE LAST QUESTION FROM COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YES. I JUST WANT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS SAID IT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE CONDITIONS, THE NOISES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE PRESENTATION IS THAT THAT IS NOT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS SIMPLY TO DENY.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS.

THOSE CONDITIONS WERE ATTACHED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IT WAS FOR THE LAST ONE.

LAST COUNCIL MEETING. RIGHT.

IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME. I'M SORRY.

I WAS ASKING STAFF. OH.

I'M SORRY. SO THAT THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE STAFF DID RECOMMEND DENIAL. HOWEVER, IF THE USE PERMIT WAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAD CONDITIONS IN PLACE FOR THE COMMISSION HAD THE CONDITIONS.

STAFF PROVIDED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THOSE CONDITIONS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, IF THEY DECIDED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, WHICH THEY DID.

OKAY. SO WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLEAR ABOUT IS I THOUGHT THAT I HEARD WHEN YOU PRESENTED THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DENY.

THAT'S CORRECT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS TO APPROVE WITH THESE CONDITIONS. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO BECAUSE I DON'T I, I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY AND THEN ALSO GIVE THE CONDITIONS. BUT IF THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT CAME WITH STAFF'S APPROVAL, AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO HAVE BOTH THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT I JUST THOUGHT THAT WHEN YOU PRESENTED, I HEARD THAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DENY PLANNING AND ZONING WAS TO APPROVE WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS, AND THESE WERE THE CONDITIONS. OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS STATED ON THE ON THE.

YOU WANT ME TO READ IT IN THE.

NO. I COULD READ IT TO DENY.

BUT I ALSO THOUGHT THAT WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT I HEARD THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS TO APPROVE WHAT THESE THREE CONDITIONS.

SOUNDS LIKE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO DENY.

IS THAT THAT'S ACCURATE.

IT SAYS, OKAY, STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

DENIAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE CONCURRENT VARIANCE FOR RECYCLING CENTER IN THE I TWO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND VARIANCE IS GRANTED.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND IF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE LISTED THERE. SO. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS YES AND VERBATIM PLEASE, MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, THIS ITEM IS FOUND IN OUR AGENDA PACKET,

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PAGE 474 TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS POINT.

WHAT I READ WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS ALL THREE OF THESE ITEMS, BUT I'LL READ IT INTO THE RECORD.

PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE USE PERMIT WITH A CONCURRENT VARIANCE FOR A RECYCLING CENTER IN THE I-2 HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. APPLICANT MUST ADHERE TO ALL WATER AND SEWER COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT REQUIREMENTS. THAT WAS NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE AN OPERATIONS PLAN FOR THE INTENDED USE.

NUMBER THREE APPLICANT MUST COORDINATE WITH THE CITY TO MITIGATE ANY INTERMITTENCES, SOUND, ODOR, ETC. BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN I WENT ON TO READ THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS DENIAL OF ALL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH A CONCURRENT VARIANCE FOR A RECYCLING CENTER IN I-2 HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND VARIANCE IS GRANTED, STAFF RECOMMENDED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICANT MUST ADHERE TO ALL WATER AND SEWER SLASH COMMERCIAL PRETREATMENT REQUIREMENTS. THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE AN OPERATIONS PLAN FOR THE INTENDED USE, AND THE APPLICANT MUST COORDINATE WITH THE CITY TO MITIGATE ANY ADMITTANCES SOUND ODOR BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN I WENT ON TO ASK THEM ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT OF EASTPOINTE RESIDENTS.

BUT BEFORE THAT, I ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO MEET THESE CONDITIONS, AND THEY SAID YES. AND THAT'S WHEN I ADDED A FOURTH CONSIDERATION OR CONDITION FOR EASTPOINTE RESIDENTS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYMENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE, MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, MAKE SURE I'M SORRY I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.

MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THIS INFORMATION WHICH WE RECEIVE OUR AGENDA BOOKLET, BOOK BOOKLETS BY THURSDAY.

FRIDAY. THIS INFORMATION IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, BUT IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE YOU HAVE MY VERBATIM MINUTES.

AND ALSO I'M REFERENCING PAGE 475.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO WHY WE WOULD PROVIDE CONDITIONS. WE PROVIDED THE CONDITIONS IN ADVANCE BECAUSE WE DID RECOMMEND DENIAL.

AND IN THE CASE THAT PLANNING COMMISSION DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, WE DID NOT WANT IT TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF REVIEW OR CONDITIONS WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT. CORRECT.

AND I UNDERSTAND AND JUST FROM THE PREVIOUS PLANNING AND ZONING.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THESE CONDITIONS CAME FROM P AND Z, SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE WHAT WE CONSIDER IS NOT JUST ONE RECOMMENDATION.

THIS BODY CONSIDERS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, AND IT CONSIDERS PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDATION. AND SO TO SEE THOSE THINGS SEPARATELY AND CLEARLY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE, WILL DO.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? SO IF WE COULD HAVE ON THE RECORD TO REFLECT THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDS DENIAL IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO APPROVE.

STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, THIS TERM WILL PROCEED.

THIS WILL PROCEED TO THE APPROPRIATE NEXT STEP FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION, INCLUDING ANY REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS SHOULD GO TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM FOR REGULAR MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING UNDER PUBLIC HEARING.

YES. OKAY. SO. ALL RIGHT.

MAY WE BE EXCUSED? WE'LL BE EXCUSED.

THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 16. COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON VENDOR GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS FROM OUR

[IV.16. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor, Government Tax Solutions, from RFQ 2026-1928, for Delinquent Tax Collections. NOT TO EXCEED: There is No Cost to the City]

Q20261920-19 TO 28 FOR DELINQUENT TAX COLLECTIONS NOT TO EXCEED.

NOT TO EXCEED. THERE IS NO COST TO THE CITY.

MR. CITY MANAGER YES. COUNCIL MAY RECALL I ACTUALLY CAME UP EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT THIS ITEM CAME BEFORE COUNCIL BEFORE UNDER A SINGLE SOURCE JUSTIFICATION COUNCIL STRUGGLED WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION AND REQUESTED STAFF TO LOOK AT PUTTING IT OUT FOR BID.

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STAFF RESPONDED, PUT IT OUT FOR BID AND THE RECOMMENDATION NOW IS GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH JASMINE CHANEY SENIOR, OUR MANAGEMENT ANALYST, AND DERMOT LAWRENCE, OUR INTERIM PROCUREMENT DIRECTOR.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO AS THE CITY MANAGER JUST STATED, IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT A SOLICITATION DID GO OUT FOR THE COLLECTION OF DELINQUENT TAXES AND ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.

THE CITY DID ISSUE A RFQ.

SO THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION IS ON VENDOR GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS FOR RFQ 2026-1928 FOR DELINQUENT TAXES.

AND WE HAVE THE INTERIM CONTRACTS AND PROCUREMENT DIRECTOR HERE TO GO IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT PROCESS.

THIS IS IN YOUR PACKAGE.

YOU HAVE THE NUMBER OF COMMODITY CODES THAT WERE INCLUDED, WHICH WAS 11. WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF THREE PROPOSALS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SCORE, GTI WAS THE HIGHEST SCORE.

THANK YOU. IS THAT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION? SORRY, IT'S NO PRESENTATION, MA'AM. IT'S JUST. OKAY. WAITING FOR YOU.

ALL'S APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING TO CONSENT. COUNCILWOMAN.

MARTIN ROGERS. OKAY. OKAY.

IT'S A NO, BUT I'M GOING TO GO ON RECORD WITH IT AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY.

BECAUSE HOW DOES THIS COME BEFORE? LIKE, I'M GOING TO GO ON RECORD ON MONDAY AFTER I'VE DONE IN CREATING MY TIMELINE AND THIS HAS GONE BACK OUT, BUT IT'S BACK IN FRONT OF US AGAIN WITH THE SAME COMPANY THAT WE SOLICITED 17 YEARS AGO.

IS THIS THE SAME COMPANY OR.

NO, IT'S THE SAME COMPANY, THE SAME COMPANY, THE ONE. AND WE JUST HAD AN ORDINANCE BEFORE US FOR SINGLE SOURCE.

LIKE, I MEAN, I'M CONFUSING YOUR CONFUSION.

NO, YOU'RE NOT CONFUSING ME.

I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR ASKING.

YOU'RE NOT CONFUSING WHAT I'M SAYING.

THIS COMPANY IS BACK BEFORE US.

THEY HAD AN OLDER R P THAT WAS 17 YEARS AGO.

AND SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS WENT OUT FOR BID AGAIN IN THE SAME COMPANY WAS IS AWARDED. IT'S HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES HERE AT THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE.

IT'S HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES IN PROCUREMENT IN GENERAL.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE INSINUATING SOMETHING NEFARIOUS TO STAFF, BUT PROCUREMENT IS PROCUREMENT.

ONCE AGAIN, IT WENT OUT. EVALUATION WAS DONE.

AND THIS IS A SCORE. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, AS A VOTING MEMBER OF THIS BODY, IT IS MY CHOICE TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED ME.

I DIDN'T USE THAT WORD.

YOU DID. AND I'LL HAVE THE DECISION MADE ON MONDAY.

BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT DECISION A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, SO THAT MY CONSTITUENTS AND EVERYONE WATCHING THIS, THESE MEETINGS, KNOW WHAT IS BEING BROUGHT BEFORE A COUNCIL LIKE THAT.

THAT'S MY CHOICE. AND I DIGRESS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO.

I WANT TO YIELD IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS.

BUT YES, WE HAVE. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO GO ON PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE.

THIS IS JUST VERY CONCERNING TO ME.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

OPEN TO PUBLIC. I'M SORRY.

APOLOGIZE. SORRY. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER. YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.

SO CAN YOU RUN DOWN VERY BRIEFLY THE THE APPLICANTS OF THE RFQ OR.

YEAH, RFQ. CAN YOU JUST RUN DOWN BRIEFLY THE, THE APPLICANTS AND HOW YOU SCORED THEM AND WHY YOU PICKED THIS ONE.

YES, MA'AM. THE FIRST ONE WAS DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES LLC.

THEIR FINAL SCORE WAS A 69.33.

NEXT ONE WAS YOUNG AND ASSOCIATES FIRM.

THEIRS WAS 72 POINTS. AND THE LAST ONE WAS, OF COURSE, GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS AT 87.33.

OUR EVALUATION SCORING METRICS IS WITHIN THE RFP.

AS SEPARATE EVALUATION COMMITTEE WAS SELECTED.

IT'S NOT DONE FROM MY DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT'S THE SCORE THAT IT CAME UP WITH.

AGAIN, THIS IS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.

AGAIN, IT'S HAPPENED NUMEROUS OF TIMES.

AND ON THE RECORD, THIS IS NO COST TO THE CITY.

SURE, SURE. SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO SELECT ANYBODY THIS NEFARIOUS AGAIN? YEAH. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THIS ONE SCORED HIGHER THAN THE OTHERS?

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YEAH, I CAN. IT. TAKE ME A SECOND, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

COUNCILWOMAN. SURE. THIS IS GOING INTO THE.

NOW, WE'RE GOING INTO THE METRICS OF.

WHO SCORED WHAT? I'M SORRY. WHY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT? CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THAT INFORMATION WAS ALSO.

IS IS IT IN AND THE METRICS AND THE SCORING, SCORING CARD OR SCORING SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE IS WAS THAT ALSO PRESENTED IN THE PACKET? I MAY HAVE. NO, JUST THE OVERALL SCORES.

WE DON'T USUALLY DO THAT, BUT WE CAN WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT.

OKAY. SO FOR THE FIRST COMPANY DIVERSIFIED, WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START FOR EACH COMPANY OR DO YOU WANT. OKAY.

FIRST COMPANY, DIVERSIFIED TECHNOLOGIES.

THEIR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WAS SCORED AS A 21.

THE QUALIFICATIONS WAS A.

17 AND THE APPROACH WAS A.

22. THEY RECEIVED ALL TEN POINTS FOR THEIR REFERENCES, AND THEY DID NOT QUALIFY FOR LOCAL VENDOR PREFERENCE.

THE GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS THEIR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WAS 33 QUALIFIED EXPERIENCE WAS 22. PROJECT APPROACH WAS 23.

THEY GOT TEN POINTS FOR THEIR REFERENCES AND DID NOT QUALIFY FOR LOCAL VENDOR PREFERENCE.

AND THE LAST FIRM, YOUNG AND ASSOCIATES PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WAS 19.

QUALIFICATIONS WAS 23.

PROJECT APPROACH WAS 21.

THEY TWO RECEIVED ALL TEN POINTS FOR THEIR REFERENCES AND DID NOT QUALIFY FOR LOCAL VENDOR PREFERENCE. AND AGAIN, I CAN HAVE THIS INFORMATION TO YOU ALL AS WELL. GOT IT. AND HOW HOW LONG WAS THIS RFQ OUT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS? SO NOT ONLY WAS THIS RFQ OUT FOR THE A LOT OF TIME THAT WE NORMALLY GIVE WE'VE ALSO SENT IT SPECIFICALLY TO OTHER COMPANIES THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY SOME OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE.

SO WE DID SEND THOSE OUT TO THEM AS WELL.

BUT THEY DID NOT BID AT ALL.

GOT IT. AND WE ALSO HAD THIS, WE ALSO DISCUSSED IT IN A PUBLIC MEETING.

SO IF SOMEONE WAS INTERESTED, THEY WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE SOME SORT OF A WAY TO FIND OUT THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

CORRECT. THIS IS ADVERTISED THROUGHOUT PAPERS.

PAPERS, SOUTH FULTON LEGALS AND THROUGH BED NET.

AND AGAIN WE SENT IT OUT TO ANOTHER THREE ADDITIONAL COMPANIES THAT WERE REFERRED TO BY SOMEONE FROM COUNCIL. SO YEAH.

OKAY. AND AND DO YOU HAVE, I MEAN, I WOULD HATE TO ASK THIS, BUT WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO US THE EMAILS OR CONTACT WAYS THAT THAT YOU USE TO CONTACT THESE OTHER COMPANIES THAT COUNCIL.

MEMBERS HAD SUGGESTED? YES. WE ACTUALLY USE THAT THROUGH OUR BED NET PLATFORM.

IT WAS SENT TO THEM THROUGH THEIR, EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T MEMBERS OF BED NET, THEY STILL RECEIVED THE EMAIL AND INSTRUCTIONS OF HOW TO PARTICIPATE.

GREAT. OKAY. AND HOW MANY DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY COMPANIES RECEIVED OR ACTUALLY KNEW ABOUT THIS APPLICATION THROUGH THAT SOFTWARE PROGRAM? YEAH, YEAH. LET'S SEE HERE.

WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 79 PEOPLE THAT REQUESTED DOCUMENTS FOR THIS SOLICITATION.

OKAY. AND OUT OF 79, THREE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS, CORRECT? OKAY. GOT IT.

AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN CARDWELL THANK YOU.

SO A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE VENDOR, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE PROCESS.

WE, I THINK THIS CAME UP THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME AROUND AS FAR AS WHAT FEES WOULD BE IMPOSED TO RESIDENTS. I KNOW THAT THIS IS AT NO COST TO THE CITY, BUT WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT FEES WOULD BE IMPOSED TO RESIDENTS BECAUSE IF NOT PAID, THIS COULD LEAD TO AUCTIONING OFF HOMES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO OUR COMMUNITY BY APPROVING THIS CONTRACT.

SO THE VENDOR, GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS, BACK WHEN THEY PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, I BELIEVE IN APRIL, THEY DID SUBMIT A PROPOSAL WHICH INCLUDED A FEE SCHEDULE.

I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCIL WAS ABLE TO REVIEW THAT PROPOSAL,

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BUT THERE WAS A FEE SCHEDULE.

SO THEY HAVE A STAGE ONE PROCESS IN WHICH THEY MAIL OUT LETTERS WITH A PAYMENT DEADLINE FOR THOSE THAT ARE DELINQUENT ON THEIR TAXES.

AND THAT FEE THAT THEY INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSAL WAS $65 A PARCEL.

AND THEN FOR STAGE TWO, WHEN THEY SENT OUT THE LEVY NOTICES THAT FEE IS $225. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH THE ADVERTISING THAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH THE TAX SALE.

SO THAT IS AROUND $100 FOR THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PARCEL.

SO THAT IS THE BREAKDOWN THAT THEY PROVIDED WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS SENT BACK IN APRIL. BUT IN THIS FEE SCHEDULE OR THIS PROPOSAL THAT'S, I BELIEVE ATTACHED WITH THIS ITEM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT APPEARS IN THERE.

YEAH. BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS IN ONE IN ALIGNMENT WITH STATE LAWS.

BUT I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, WOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CAP OR MAYBE EVEN.

YEAH, CAP THE FEE SCHEDULE.

YOU MEAN WOULD THE CITY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ADJUST THOSE FLAT RATES? I BELIEVE SO. I, I DON'T THAT WASN'T A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.

IT WAS ASKED IF THAT FLAT RATE FEE WAS THE FIXED FEE TO THE PRINCIPLE OF GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS. AND HE DID STATE THAT THAT WAS A FIXED RATE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADJUSTABLE.

BUT THE CITY DOES HAVE AUTHORITY AUTHORITY IN PROVIDING THE DELINQUENT TAX PARCELS TO GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTION.

SO THE CITY IS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE WHO GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS WILL BE SENDING THE LETTERS TO WHO WILL BE GOING UP FOR TAX SALE.

SO THIS FEE IS GOING TO BE ASSESSED ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THE CITY DECIDES.

TO PURSUE AS FAR AS DELINQUENT TAX COLLECTION.

OKAY. SO THAT KIND OF BRINGS UP TWO QUESTIONS.

TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS THERE JUST OUT OF YOUR CURIOSITY? IS THERE AN ANTICIPATED COST THAT THE VENDOR WILL RECEIVE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT FROM THE CITY, BUT TO PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO THIS? BECAUSE I DO THINK THE NO COST TO THE CITY IS A BIT MISLEADING.

THEY THEY ARE GOING TO COLLECT FEES AND BASED ON THE DELINQUENT TAXES THAT WE HAVE.

IS THERE AN ANTICIPATED COST THAT THEY SHOULD RECEIVE FROM US, FROM OUR RESIDENTS? NO, THERE'S NO ANTICIPATED COST THAT THEY SHOULD RECEIVE. IF WE DON'T COLLECT ANY DELINQUENT TAXES, THEN GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS DOESN'T GET PAID.

RIGHT. BUT BASED ON WE DO HAVE DELINQUENCIES, CORRECT? WE DO. OKAY. AND THEN THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME FEES.

SO IT MAY BE HELPFUL. I MEAN, WE COULD IF YOU DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION AS FAR AS HOW MANY DELINQUENT PROPERTIES WE HAVE BASED ON THE FEES THAT YOU'VE GIVEN, THERE'S WE THEY MAY NOT COLLECT ALL OF IT, BUT THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO USE THEIR EFFORTS TO DO SO. SO THERE THERE'S A COST, ALTHOUGH THE CITY IS NOT COMING OUT OF THE CITY'S BUDGET. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COST FOR RESIDENTS.

BUT THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS.

THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS CENTERED AROUND.

YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE SOME SAY SO INTO WHAT RESIDENTS WOULD OR WHICH PROPERTIES WOULD GO TO GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTION.

WHAT GOES INTO THAT? BUT BEFORE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MADAM MAYOR, MAY I ANSWER THAT? I DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE A SELECTION OF PROPERTIES THAT GO INTO INTO THE DELINQUENT TAX STATUS AND SENT TO GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS.

IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF CRITERIA, IT NEEDS TO BE NONDISCRIMINATORY, NONDISCRIMINATORY NON-ARBITRARY ON WHICH PROPERTIES WILL THEN BE SENT TO.

WHETHER IT'S GATES OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO DOES OUR DELINQUENT TAXES.

NOT LIKE A OH, WE KNOW WHO LIVES THERE.

SO THEY WON'T GO. OR YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IT SHOULDN'T BE A SELECTION THAT IS DISCRIMINATORY OR LEAVES MUCH DISCRETION TO STAFF ON WHICH ONES SHOULD GO.

OKAY, OKAY, THAT AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

IF, IF THAT IS THE CASE I GUESS WHERE, WHERE I AM WITH IT.

I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS AND THAT WAS THE INITIAL ASK.

I DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT, IF SELECTED IF THERE IS SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN

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CAP THIS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR VULNERABLE POPULATION FALLS INTO THIS REALM, MAYBE NOT ALL.

AND I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T BE SELECTIVE WITH WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FEES THAT ARE BEING APPLIED ARE WITHIN REASON.

AND SO THAT THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE CAP IT IN? CAN WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE WOULD DO THAT? UNDERSTOOD. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.

RIGHT. BEFORE SENDING ANY PARCELS OVER TO GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS, DETERMINING EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, IF THERE IS A CAP THAT WE CAN APPLY.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR. BUT WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING DONE WITHIN THE PROCESS? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SET UP PRIOR TO APPROVING LIKE IN THE NEGOTIATION OF THE CONTRACT? NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SET UP DURING THE NEGOTIATION OF THE CONTRACT, I BELIEVE, IS THAT MAYBE NOT THE NEGOTIATION OF THE CONTRACT, BUT MORE SO IN YOUR WHAT THEY CALL A KICK OFF MEETING, WHERE THEY'RE COMING AND THEY'RE MEETING WITH THE DEPARTMENT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY WOULD PREFER.

AND THAT'S THE NEGOTIATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN REGARDS TO THAT IN OUR.

WILL WE BE LOCKING IN THIS RATE AND IF WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO THIS RATE, HOW WILL WE THEN NEGOTIATE ONCE WE'VE SIGNED OFF ON EVERYTHING? SO SO SO RIGHT NOW, THE THE CONTRACTOR THAT WILL BE SIGNED WILL BE ABOUT THE COST THAT THE CITY WILL INCUR, WHICH IS NO COST.

WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW IS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING PAID. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMPENSATION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THAT'S THAT'S NOT A CONVERSATION IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE CAN DICTATE, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THAT STRONG SUGGESTION IN REGARDS TO SAYING, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE. OUR RESIDENTS TO PAY THIS OR HAVE THIS FLAT RATE.

AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH US IN REGARDS TO.

SO THIS QUESTION IS FOR CITY ATTORNEY.

IS THERE ANY PART OF THIS PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE OR NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT? SO TWO THINGS. ONE, IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE RESIDENTS THAT ARE SUBJECTED TO DELINQUENT TAXES FOR SURE. RIGHT? IT COULD BE SOME PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS A RENTAL AND THEY LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

NUMBER TWO IS THAT I DO THINK IT'S DURING THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION PHASE THAT WE WOULD SAY WHAT RATES THEY SHOULD CHARGE OR WHAT RATES THAT THEY WOULD APPLY BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THOSE DIFFERENT PHASES.

HOWEVER, TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE RATES WERE A BASIS FOR THEM GETTING THE SCORE THAT THEY GOT, I THINK, I THINK THE SHIP HAS SAILED.

RIGHT. SO IF IF, SAY, THEIR RATES WERE LOWER THAN MAYBE ONE OF THESE OTHER BIDDERS AND THAT WAS A BASIS FOR THEIR SCORE, I THINK THEY GOT LIKE A 86 OR WHATEVER.

AND IF THAT CHANGES, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY DISENFRANCHIZE THE OTHER BIDDERS THAT WOULD HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THEIR RATES.

RIGHT. TO POTENTIALLY GET THE AWARD.

SO IF THEY WERE PICKED AND ONE OF THE CRITERIA WAS THEIR RATES, I THINK THAT THAT IS A DONE DEAL.

WAS THAT A CRITERIA. NO MA'AM.

OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. AND WAS THIS A SEAL.

CORRECT. OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

THE OTHER THE OTHER THING I WOULD CAUTION IS THAT THE OPEN RECORDS ACT TALKS ABOUT TOO MUCH DETAIL WHEN IT COMES TO BIDS SEALED BIDS AND THE DETAILS THERE FROM THAT.

IT DOESN'T BECOME PUBLIC UNTIL AFTER THE VOTE OR AFTER ABANDONMENT OF THE BID.

LIKE SAY THERE'S A VOTE TO NOT AWARD IT TO ANYBODY.

SO THE SUMMARY WAS OKAY, BUT ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, I DO NOT RECOMMEND THERE BE MUCH MORE DISCUSSION.

UNTIL THERE IS A FINAL VOTE, EITHER AWARDING OR ABANDONING THE THE PROCESS. LAST, LAST QUESTION IS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SO HERE'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

IF WE WERE TO HAVE GONE OUT AND FINED TRADITIONAL COMPANY TO PROVIDE THESE SAME TYPE OF SERVICES, LIKE MY THOUGHT IS WHAT WHAT WOULD OUR COST HAVE BEEN, WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME AS THIS.

AND IF IF NOT, THEN I WOULD HAVE I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD NEGOTIATE THAT.

SO LIKE, WHERE DOES THIS FALL WITHIN THE PROCESS? IF WE WANTED TO PROPOSE A RATE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, WHERE WOULD THAT FALL IN THE PROCESS? I'M HEARING AFTER KICKOFF AFTER WE APPROVE.

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BUT FOR YOU, WHERE DOES THAT FALL? SO YOU'RE ASKING IF, IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE OR REDUCE THE RATES THAT THEY THEN CHARGE BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER? I SAID IT SHOULD HAPPEN DURING CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS, WHICH IS WHERE WHERE ARE WE NOW? WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE ONLY AT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF ON WHO TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO.

OKAY. SO WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER PART OF THIS PROCESS FOR THAT PIECE.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH.

YOU STILL NEED A VOTE AND THEN A CONTRACT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. WHAT DOES THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE? AND AND IT COULD VERY WELL BE AND BE PREPARED THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO LOWER THEIR RATES.

RIGHT. I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT AND THEY MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, NO THANK YOU. AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

OKAY. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. I JUST HAD A CLARIFICATION.

IS THERE AN APPETITE FOR THE COUNCIL TO PROVIDE A SUBSIDY? I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE. THE FIRST PART OF THIS WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE AT LEAST GOING OUT FOR BID, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE WENT OUT FOR BID.

AND FROM A PRICING PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEY DID.

THEY DID EXCEED IN OTHER AREAS.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO RESIDENTS, WE'RE CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

LIKE I HEAR THE NO COST TO THE CITY, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT THERE'S A COST TO RESIDENTS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ELECTED US FOR THIS POSITION.

WE SHOULD BE LOOKING OUT FOR THEM TOO. AND I KNOW THAT RESIDENTS MAY FALL IN JUST A PORTION OF THIS CATEGORY, BUT THAT'S THE PART THAT'S TOP OF MIND FOR ME. YOU OKAY? THANK YOU.

WE HAVE COUNCILWOMAN ROGERS AND COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS AND THEN COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

ALL RIGHT. AND MY QUESTION IS TO MADAM CITY ATTORNEY.

I WAS GOING TO REQUEST SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS.

SO ARE THOSE NOT AVAILABLE TO ME? THE I WAS GOING TO MAKE A REQUEST FOR THE ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE OF THE RFP.

THE RFP. ALL RIGHT. SO, MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD EXPLICITLY? I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST HARD COPIES OF THE ORIGINAL RELEASE DATE OF THE RFP.

COPIES OF ALL ADVERTISEMENTS, NOTICES, POSTINGS RELATED TO THE BID, AND I CAN GIVE YOU A HANDWRITTEN COPY OF WHAT I'M SAYING.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE SCORING CRITERIA, THE EVALUATION MATRIX, THE WEIGHTING METHODS AND SCORING SHEETS USED BY THE EVALUATORS.

AND I WOULD LIKE THE FINAL COMPILED SCORING RESULTS.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE NAMES AND TITLE OF EVALUATION COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND THE DOCUMENTATION SHOWING WHEN THE PROPOSAL WAS WAS RECEIVED, OPENED, EVALUATED AND RANKED.

ONLY THING I WOULD PUSH BACK ON IS THE EVALUATION CRITERIA FOR THE BIDDERS.

I MEAN FOR THE EVALUATORS.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND ITEM YOU'RE SAYING TO PULL BACK ON SCORING CRITERIA, EVALUATION MATRIX WEIGHTING METHODS AND SCORING SHEETS USED BY EVALUATORS.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND I'M GOING TO ASK WHY, IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION AS A COUNCIL, WHY WOULDN'T WE NEED WHAT THE EVALUATORS DID IN ORDER TO MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION? AND I'M JUST. I'M NOT PUSHING.

YEAH. THAT'S. YEAH. YOU CAN GET A SUMMARY.

HOLD ON. YOU CAN GET A SUMMARY, BUT NOT THE DETAILS.

AND THE WHY IS IN STATE LAW OCGA 50-18-72.

OKAY. WELL I WOULD LIKE A SUMMARY.

SO THOSE OTHER REMAINING ITEMS, MADAM DEPUTY CITY CLERK.

I'M SORRY. SCORES. YES! WHO SCORED? WHAT? YES.

I WOULD LIKE THOSE HARD COPIES, PLEASE.

I DON'T WANT THEM TRANSMITTED VIA EMAIL.

SO THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I REQUESTED ARE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER. WELL.

I'M SORRY. COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS.

DID YOU STILL HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY.

COUNCILWOMAN ZIEGLER ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT IF WE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ALL AGREE ON WHO THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN OUR IN OUR CITY ARE OR WHO THEY WOULD BE. BUT IF YOU ARE ALREADY 70 YEARS OLD AND OLDER AND MAKE 90, 000 AND UNDER, YOU DO NOT PAY ANY CITY TAXES, YOU PAY $0.00, WHICH MEANS YOU WOULD HAVE A $0.00 TAX BILL,

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WHICH MEANS THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, BE TAKEN UPON YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE A $0.00 TAX BILL.

AND THE PEOPLE WHO I KNOW WHO HAVE ELECTED ME HAVE BEEN REALLY UPSET WITH OUR BLIGHTED HOUSES. THE NUMBER OF BLIGHTED HOUSES IN THE CITY PREDOMINANTLY REMAIN IN WARD B AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE THAT A BLIGHTED HOUSE EQUALS BACK SOMEONE WHO HASN'T PAID THEIR TAXES, BUT OFTENTIMES THEY ARE THE SAME.

AND AND THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE GONE ON FOR DECADES WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY AND NO ONE TO SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO PAY YOUR TAXES JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

THESE HOUSES ARE A DANGER TO OUR SOCIETY.

THEY THEY'RE FALLING DOWN.

SQUATTERS ARE GOING IN THEM, THEY'RE CATCHING ON FIRE.

THEY'RE CATCHING THEIR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES ON FIRE WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

AND THIS IS A HUGE PUBLIC YOU KNOW, OUTCRY THAT I'M HEARING FROM MY OWN DISTRICT IN IN THESE HOMES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING ABANDONED AND, AND UNKEPT. ADDITIONALLY, I KNOW OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE BEHIND IN TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THEIR TAXES AND THEY ARE A HUGE THEY ARE PROBLEMATIC.

I, I WILL NOT SAY ON THE RECORD WHO THEY ARE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO COME BACK AT ME. BUT BUT THEY ARE, THEY ARE BUSINESSES WHO ALSO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE THEY BEHIND IN THEIR TAXES, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE FREQUENT POLICE CALLS, THEY THEY POLLUTE OUR OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR GIVING PEOPLE ADVERSE HEALTH RISK.

SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER AS WELL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A A GOOD NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEHIND IN THEIR TAXES.

AND WE NEED TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO PAY THEIR TAXES.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YES, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

AND I WAS JUST GOING TO ALSO JUST EMPHASIZE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER STATED IN TERMS OF THE EXEMPTION THAT WE DO PROVIDE TO OUR LEGACY RESIDENTS HERE IN THE CITY, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AT LEAST CARING FOR THEM, MANY ON FIXED INCOMES AND ARE NOT MAKING THAT MUCH MONEY.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS GOES AS A QUESTION OF YOU, INTERIM DIRECTOR LAWRENCE, AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY COUNCIL MEMBER CALDWELL WAS ASKING ABOUT THE THE CAP IN TERMS OF WHAT THE VENDOR WOULD RECEIVE.

I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THE PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU WERE COMING FROM, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO CAP THAT AND THAT IMPACTING THE BIDDING PROCESS.

SO IF THE CITY WANTED TO PUT CAPS ON WHAT THOSE BUSINESSES WERE ABLE TO COLLECT, OF THE 79 THAT CONTRACTS AND PROCUREMENT REACHED OUT TO, WE HAD THREE RESPONDENTS.

SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE SAID, THAT'S NOT THAT WON'T EVEN COVER OUR BUSINESS OPERATIONS TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE.

SO PERHAPS THEY MAY NOT HAVE EVEN APPLIED.

SO IF WE THEN GET INTO THE CAP PORTION OF IT, DOES THAT IMPACT THE BIDDING PROCESS? BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE, THE THREE THAT MAY HAVE APPLIED SAID, WELL, THAT DOESN'T EVEN COVER OUR BUSINESS OPERATIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO THAT WASN'T EVEN A SCORING METRIC.

CORRECT. SO THAT, SO THAT TAKES THAT OUT.

SO FOR THIS REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS THAT WASN'T EVEN PART OF IT.

SO THEY WEREN'T EVEN JUDGED ON THAT.

SO WHETHER THEY IF IF THOSE THAT DID NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE TOOK THAT THEY DID THAT UPON THEMSELVES VERSUS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS NOT VERY CLEARLY IT WAS NOT.

MY POINT IS, IS THAT IF IT WERE AND THE CITY WANTED TO IMPOSE CAPS, THOSE THREE THAT DID APPLY MAY HAVE THEN STATED THAT DOESN'T EVEN COVER MY BUSINESS, MY, MY, MY COST TO DO BUSINESS.

SO I TOO WILL NOT APPLY.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S MY QUESTION THAT DOES THAT IMPACT THE BIDDING PROCESS? WE'RE WANTING TO IMPOSE CAPS AND WHAT THE VENDORS ARE CHARGING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE BUSINESS. NO, IT VERY WELL COULD.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SAID THE.

THIS THIS DISCUSSION WOULD TAKE PLACE DURING THAT TIME OF AFTER THEY'RE SELECTED, OF COURSE, AND WE'RE KIND OF NEGOTIATING WITH THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH YOU'RE ASKING THEM FOR WHAT THE ATTORNEY CITY ATTORNEY SAID.

IT'S A CHANCE THEY MIGHT SAY NO, RIGHT.

WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CHANGE THEIR RATE AND WHAT THEY WOULD CHARGE.

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SO THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE AFTER THIS ELECTION.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, ABSOLUTELY. THAT WOULD HAVE ALTERED HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE APPLIED OR EVEN IF THESE THREE WOULD HAVE GONE OUT FOR IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I YIELD COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN COLWELL.

THANK YOU. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT SENIORS.

YEAH, THEY DO GET A TAX BREAK, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL OR TAXABLE PARCELS ARE IN EASTPOINT? DO YOU KNOW? ALL RIGHT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL TAXABLE PROPERTIES IN EASTPOINT IS 11,797 RESIDENTS. OUT OF THOSE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS TAX COLLECTION.

BUT WHAT I DON'T HEAR MY COUNTERPARTS TALK ABOUT ARE THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IS 2142 COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WE COULD POSSIBLY UTILIZE THIS TAX COLLECTION FOR THEM. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THE RESIDENTS AND, AND OH, THIS IS MAKING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK BAD.

IT IS A TOTALITY OF TAX COLLECTION THAT DOES NOT IMPEDE THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE 70 YEARS OR OLDER. WE ALSO HAVE 295 INDUSTRIAL PARCELS.

AND THEN FOR VACANT LAND WE HAVE 777 PROPERTIES.

SO. I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING WITH THE TAX COLLECTION.

BUT ONE THING WE CANNOT RISK OR I'M NOT GOING TO RISK IS PUTTING POLITICS OVER PEOPLE.

WE WERE ELECTED TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR PEOPLE.

AND I JUST I'M GOING TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT.

SO I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF US HONING IN ON, OH, THEY'RE GOING TO COLLECT THIS FOR FREE.

11,797 RESIDENCES IN EASTPOINTE ARE A PART OF OUR TAX COLLECTION BASE. SO SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL YOU'RE IN.

AND I THINK WE'VE EXHAUSTED OUR ROUNDS ON THIS ONE.

BUT IF WE WANT TO GO AHEAD.

COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF POINTS.

SO THE VULNERABLE POPULATION.

YES. OUR SENIORS, I MEAN, YOU CAN RETIRE AS EARLY AS 62, RIGHT. SO AND BEING ON FIXED INCOME AS EARLY AS 62.

SO I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE SOME BENEFITS FOR OVER 70, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE. AND WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A FEW OR NOT.

THEY. THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

AND IT JUST DOESN'T CONSIST OF SENIORS.

YOU KNOW, ANYONE THAT'S ON FIXED INCOME, DISABLED OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE WILL ALSO FALL INTO THAT VULNERABLE POPULATION.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IN REGARDS TO THE PRICING.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED WAS HAVING AN IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED, SHOULD WE, YOU KNOW TAKE OVER OR ASSUME THAT THAT RATE OURSELVES SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE A BASIS FOR WHERE WE SHOULD BE AND KIND OF BASE THE CAPS OFF OF THAT.

BUT IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY CONSIDER ONCE MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY. SO IT WASN'T JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER THAT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE.

IT WOULD BE BASED OFF OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FOR FOR, FOR OTHERS AS WELL. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS MY QUESTION.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TAXES THAT ARE BEING COLLECTED BEFORE WE SEND THIS ITEM TO COLLECTIONS. WE SENT, WE STARTED DOING COLLECTIONS.

I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS HERE.

MY OTHER QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE, THE VOTING ON THE CONTRACT IS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONTRACT.

WHAT COUNCIL VOTES ON OR JUST THE CONTRACT ITSELF.

SO WHEN. SO I KNOW WE HAVE THE RFP.

SO IT'S THE RFP, THE DO WE SET THE BENCHMARKS AND THE PARAMETERS AND THE QUALITY QUALIFICATIONS PRIOR OR AFTER THE CONTRACT IS ASSUMED THE CITY.

WE SET THAT PARAMETER BEFOREHAND SO THEY RESPOND TO THAT PARAMETER.

SO IN THIS CASE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, THEIR APPROACH TO WHAT THEY WOULD DO FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS GIVEN.

THEY RESPONDED TO THAT.

OKAY. AND THEN THE COMMUNICATIONS, PARTICULARLY AROUND THIS TOPIC AND AROUND THIS ITEM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST.

AND DO WE HAVE A PLAN IN TERMS OF ONCE WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON HOW WE WANT TO MOVE

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FORWARD WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE HOW WE'RE MEASURING SUCCESS, ETC., AND THE IMPACT AND HOW THAT WILL IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS.

DO WE HAVE THAT ALL SOLIDIFIED TOGETHER OR, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT? AND DO WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS AROUND ALL THAT? SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PROPERTY TAX DIVISION THAT WOULD BE COORDINATING THAT EFFORT.

AND I THINK THE INTERIM CONTRACTS AND PROCUREMENT DIRECTOR MENTIONED A PRE MEETING WITHIN THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY GOVERNMENT TAX SOLUTIONS THEY DO STATE MEETING WITH THE TAX COORDINATOR AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY'S TAX DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS DETERMINING WHAT PARCELS WILL OR WHAT PARCELS THE CITY HAS THAT ARE DELINQUENT. AND SO THAT PROCESS WOULD BE HEAVILY WITHIN THE PROPERTY TAX DIVISION COMING UP WITH THAT PLAN.

AND THEY ARE NOT HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO THAT.

OKAY. AND THEN I THINK THAT THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE NONDISCRIMINATORY, NONDISCRIMINATORY PROCESS.

SO IT WOULD BE IN TOTALITY THAT THERE WILL BE A REVIEW PROCESS OF EVERYONE, NOT JUST PARTICULAR HAND SELECTED OR PARTICULAR.

YES. THAT IS WHAT I MEAN.

I DON'T MEAN CHERRY PICKING CERTAIN PROPERTIES, BUT JUST DOING A FULL COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF WHAT ACTUALLY CAN GO UP OR WHAT ACTUALLY IS DELINQUENT AND CAN ACTUALLY GO TO A TAX SALE IF THE DELINQUENT TAXES AREN'T PAID.

OKAY. I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND SO COUNCIL FOR THIS ITEM NUMBER 16.

WE CAN MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

I'M SORRY, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.

CLERK. YES, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO NUMBER 16 TO THE THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THANK YOU.

OKAY. NUMBER 17. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR.

THANK YOU. NUMBER 17 CITYWIDE RESIDENT COMMUNICATION BULLETIN.

[IV.17. Citywide Resident Communication Bulletin / Newsletter Initiative]

NEWSLETTER INITIATIVE.

COUNCILWOMAN. CARDWELL.

YES. THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE PRETTY QUICK.

I JUST WANTED TO LET ME FIND MY NOTES.

OKAY. SO I RECEIVED SOME, SOME FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS THAT THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY.

FROM THINGS LIKE WHEN PROJECTS START OR WHEN MEETINGS ARE TAKING PLACE OR PRIOR TO DECISIONS BEING MADE. AND SO JUST WANTING BETTER COMMUNICATION.

AND SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP HERE TO COUNCIL.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS BY CREATING A CONSISTENT CITYWIDE NEWSLETTER OR BULLETIN THAT KEEPS RESIDENTS INFORMED ABOUT ALL THINGS.

AND SO MY ASK IS THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DISCUSS DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO EXPLORE A CITY WIDE COMMUNICATION PROGRAM THAT USES MULTIPLE CHANNELS SUCH AS EMAIL MAIL, SOCIAL MEDIA, THE CITY WEBSITE, SIGNAGE THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE. ANY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR RESIDENTS TO STAY INFORMED. SO. THAT WAS IT.

I PROPOSE A NEWSLETTER BULLETIN.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR.

GO AHEAD. COUNCILWOMAN. YES, I DO KNOW AT ONE POINT WE DID HAVE THE EAST POINT TELEVISION CHANNEL.

SO A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS DO WATCH THOSE MEETINGS.

THAT IS THE 70 AND OVER CROWD THAT MANY OF THEM ARE ON FACEBOOK OR SOCIAL MEDIA.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN APPETITE FOR US TO GO BACK TO EAST POINT CHANNEL 22, BUT CAN YOU GIVE SOME OF OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS MAYOR CHAPMAN, IF YOU CAN ASK THE MR. REDMOND JONES TO HAVE COMMUNICATIONS COME UP AND JUST GIVE US SOME BRIEF INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO ALL OF THE OUTLETS THAT WE CAN USE TO KEEP EAST POINT RESIDENTS INFORMED.

THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM.

RIGHT NOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ALL USE SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE WE USE A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS.

WE USE OUR WE STILL USE EMAILS.

WE'RE STARTING A CAMPAIGN WHERE WE'RE GOING TO THE LIST THAT WE HAVE A LEGACY LIST.

SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST, THEY'RE NOT RECEIVING IT.

SO WE'RE GETTING KICKBACKS FROM THAT. AND THEN WITH THE ANALYTICS I THINK THE LAST

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NEWSLETTER THAT WE SENT OUT, IT WAS ONLY LIKE A 3%, YOU KNOW, CLICK RATE FOR PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY SAW IT.

SO WE'RE DOING, I SPOKE TO THE CITY MANAGER, WE'RE DOING A, A WE'RE GOING TO DO AN EMAIL CAMPAIGN.

AND WE'RE ALSO DOING, WE'RE WORKING WITH A COMPANY THAT DOES, IT'S CALLED TEXT BY GOV.

SO WE'RE USING THOSE GUYS TO WHERE THEY CAN SIGN UP THROUGH THEIR PHONES.

AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE'LL SEND IT TO THEIR PHONES.

IT'LL HAVE A LINK, THEY CAN CLICK ON IT.

BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS COUNCILWOMAN.

MARTIN ROGERS, WE GOT RID OF EPI TV 22 BECAUSE FOR ONE IT WAS ON COMCAST RIGHT.

EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE COMCAST.

SO AT ONE POINT I THINK YOU GUYS WANTED US TO GET ANOTHER SERVER WHICH THOSE THINGS RUN ABOUT 80 TO $100,000 FOR US TO ALSO BROADCAST THROUGH AT&T.

NOW WHEN THE CITY MANAGER FIRST ARRIVED, WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS PER COMCAST AT THE TIME AND ALSO LINKS THAT WE PUT ON THAT CHANNEL, NO ONE WAS WATCHING IT.

AND WE HAD WE HAD EXTENDED WEEKENDS LIKE HOLIDAYS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THREE DAY WEEKENDS, FOUR DAY WEEKENDS.

AND IT WOULD GO DOWN. WE WOULDN'T GET ANY COMPLAINTS.

NO ONE WOULD CALL. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE TO MORE LIKE A ROKU STATION, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT CAN HELP OUR RESIDENTS. SO I DON'T LIKE THE TV THING ANYMORE. BECAUSE THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF IT AND IT'S VERY, I MEAN, THE MANPOWER IS JUST CRAZY TO BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THESE MEETINGS ONTO, YOU KNOW, THAT STATION WITH HARDLY NOBODY WATCHING.

NOT SAYING THAT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT MINORITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THAT THEY FEEL THAT ARE ALIENATED.

I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ALIENATE THOSE GUYS.

I STILL WANT TO COME UP WITH WAYS, YOU KNOW, TO REACH OUT TO THOSE GUYS AS WELL.

I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WHAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, I WONDER IF WE TAKE A SURVEY OF WHO WANTS TO WATCH WHAT, WHEN AND WHERE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I'LL JUST LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION OF SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES BEFORE I CHIME BACK IN.

THANK YOU. OKAY. NO PROBLEM.

BUT I GUESS SEE, WE HAD THE THE QR CODE OUT THERE, RIGHT? SO NO ONE CLICKED IT.

BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT TECH SAVVY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND TOO. SO ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO ALIENATE THOSE GUYS AND WE'RE OPEN FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER, WE'LL DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT I DO SPEAK TO ON THE PHONE, AND I'VE RECEIVED THEIR EMAILS AND I'VE BEEN SENDING THOSE GUYS, YOU KNOW, THE HAPPENINGS AROUND THE CITY AS WELL.

THANK YOU. OH THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL THEN.

COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YEAH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION FIRST, THE VIDEOS THAT YOU'VE CREATED IN THE DEPARTMENT CREATED LOVE EM.

AND THOSE ARE GREAT FOR SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL.

BUT ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED WAS JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE ELECTRIC BILL OR THE WATER BILL OR SOMETHING LIKE A PHYSICAL, SOMETHING THAT'S SENT OUT.

DO YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT WERE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PUTTING IT IN THE MAIL AND WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK AROUND THAT? AND JUST TO GIVE YOU LIKE MORE CONTEXT, THE RESIDENT THAT I SPOKE WITH, SHE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE TREE PROGRAM. AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS IN MEETINGS AND IN HOA MEETINGS.

SHE WASN'T IN ATTENDANCE TO THOSE, BUT SHE'S HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME TREES THAT SHE COULD HAVE TAKEN DOWN.

AND SO IT WOULD JUST BE GOOD TO GET GET OUT THOSE IMPORTANT PIECES OF INFORMATION TO EVERYONE. SO WHAT WAS COST ASSOCIATED WITH MAIL AND HAVE WE CONSIDERED DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I CAN'T RUN OFF THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW.

WE HADN'T DID ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR YEARS.

RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

SOCIAL MEDIA IS FREE, RIGHT.

SO THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS THE MANPOWER AND PUTTING IT OUT THERE. NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT.

SOME OF THE CONS WITH THAT IS THAT WE HAVE SO MANY BILLING CYCLES THAT ABOUT TIMES CERTAIN PEOPLE RECEIVE IT IN THEIR BILL, IT'LL EITHER BE PASSED AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING OLD INFORMATION. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE WITH THE NEWSLETTER.

OF COURSE, WE PUT THEM ALL AROUND CITY HALL. WE TRY TO GO TO THE BOWDOIN CENTER, SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT KIND OF CIRCLE CITY HALL.

BUT BUT YOU, YOU ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD WOULD SERVE EVEN BETTER. THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNAGE.

SO LIKE WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO COLLEGE PARK AND YOU'RE ON MAIN STREET, YOU SEE THE BIG SIGN DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY ROLL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY HAVE GOING ON, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE COULD UTILIZE IF, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING WAS THERE FOR IT AND MAYBE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE,

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QUARTERLY VERSUS MONTHLY, WE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE THREE MONTHS IN ADVANCE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

SO THAT WAY THERE'S STILL SOME TIME, EVEN IF THEY GET IT A WEEK OR SO LATE.

AND THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COST EFFECTIVE, BUT YEAH, I'LL DISCUSS THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

I MEAN, IF WE CAN REACH THOSE GUYS AND ALSO IF YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS HAVE LIST, I KNOW PAST COUNCIL HAD WARD LIST AND PHONE NUMBERS AND TRY TO PASS SOME OF THAT STUFF ON JUST TO HELP, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY BUSY AS WELL, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO REACH ALL OF THESE GUYS.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

YES. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

MR. DIMOCK, YOU ALSO YOU STATED THAT AND I GET YOUR REASONS FOR THE CITY GETTING RID OF THE ETV 22 ON COMCAST, AND THEN THE COST TO DO THAT THROUGH AT&T WAS ABOUT 80 TO $100,000, CORRECT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US FOR A NEW SERVER NOW IS 70 PROBABLY 70, 80,000. IT JUST DEPENDS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS, OF COURSE, AND SEE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT RANGES, WHAT THESE THINGS ARE CAPABLE OF.

AND OF COURSE, GETTING IT INSTALLED BECAUSE THE ONE THAT WE HAVE IS PROBABLY, I THINK WHEN WE FIRST GOT IT MAY HAVE BEEN MAYBE MAYBE SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND I THINK THE LIFESPAN ON THEM IS PROBABLY LIKE 4 OR 5.

OKAY, SO YOU THEN TALKED ABOUT PERHAPS A STREAMING PLATFORM, CORRECT? RIGHT. AND WHAT WOULD THAT COST BE APPROXIMATELY? I POPPED IT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR AND IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 50, 60 BUCKS, YOU KNOW, A MONTH.

OKAY. PER MONTH. YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO VERY COST EFFECTIVE.

YEAH. SO IT WAS, IT WAS THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, COMPANY THAT WOULD PLACE IT OUT THERE ON ROKU. BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE TECHNOLOGY.

SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE NOT REACHING. NOW WOULD THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, GO ON ROKU AND FIND THAT STATION? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS I KNOW JUST THE COST THAT'S INCURRED IF WE DID A MAILER.

I THINK A COUPLE GOOD IDEAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS REACHING OUT TO THE HOA PRESIDENTS AND THEY KIND OF SEND THE INFORMATION OUT.

THAT'S HOW WE GET A LOT OF THE INFORMATION OUT TOWARDS SEEING.

BUT ANOTHER THING ALSO WAS JUST THE VISUAL. IF PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO SEE I KNOW EVERYBODY GETS TIRED OF ME TALKING ABOUT THE ICE BOXES, BUT THEY ARE POPULAR.

THEY'RE ALL OVER THE CITY OF ATLANTA AND I THINK THAT THEY COULD THEY WOULD DEFINITELY BE GOOD HERE FOR THE CITY OF EAST POINT.

AT SOME, SOME OF THE LOCAL MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, CAMP CREEK DOWNTOWN AND SOME OF THE WARDS AT THE PARKS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE VISIT THE BOWDEN CENTER AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAY.

IT GOES UNDER THE WAYFINDING THAT'S UNDER HOTEL MOTEL TAX.

SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HIT US HERE WITH THE CITY TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND OR WHATEVER ACCOUNT THEY WOULD, COULD POSSIBLY USE.

IT'S USED FOR OUR HOTEL MOTEL TAX.

SO LET ME SAY IT AGAIN.

I THINK THE EIGHT BOXES WOULD BE A SOMETHING REALLY GOOD FOR THE CITY, AND IT GETS THAT INFORMATION OUT.

I YIELD AND ONCE AGAIN IF YOU GUYS CAN PUSH THIS CAMPAIGN THAT WE HAVE COMING OUT, IF YOU CAN PUSH IT TO YOUR WARDS, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SCANNABLE CODES AND JUST TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, ALSO THEY CAN SEND US EMAILS.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THE EMAIL ADDRESSES.

AND LIKE I SAID, I WAS TELLING A COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL WHEN WE WENT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THE THE PEOPLE ARE THE SAME. I DON'T KNOW IF THE EMAILS ARE THE SAME, BUT FOR SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY FEEDBACK.

AND THE IT'S JUST MAIL A RETURN AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO OF COURSE WE WANT TO START A NEW LIST, BUT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AS WELL.

COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, I'M SORRY I MISSED THE CONVERSATION ON THE NEWSLETTERS. WHAT WERE YOU SAYING ABOUT THOSE GOING OUT INTO THE MONTHLY BILL? BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THE CITY OF EAST POINT KEPT RESIDENTS ABREAST BY NEWSLETTERS THAT WENT OUT MONTHLY IN EVERYONE'S UTILITY BILL.

IT PROVIDED A WEALTH OF INFORMATION FOR UPCOMING PROJECTS, CONCERTS, NOT CONCERTS, BUT HAPPENINGS IN THE CITY.

WHO TO REPORT CODE ENFORCEMENT IF YOUR POWER IS OUT.

ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WAS A PART OF THIS NEWSLETTER THAT WENT, THAT WENT OUT. SO WHAT WAS THE COST OF A NEWSLETTER? I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T, I HAVE NO IDEA AT THIS TIME.

I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER.

THAT SAME NEWSLETTER THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, WE DO EMAIL IT OUT.

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I WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH, YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES AND, AND I'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT LIKE MANPOWER AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WILL, WHEN WOULD WE HAVE TO HAVE IT IN IN ORDER FOR IT TO MAKE THESE BILLS? SO I WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER CARE. OKAY. SO IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BECAUSE IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE OPTION OF MAYBE DOING A NEWSLETTER THAT GOES INSIDE THE UTILITY BILLS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A START FOR KEEPING RESIDENTS INFORMED BECAUSE IF WE KNOW ONE THING, THE UTILITY BILL IS GOING TO COME.

THAT'S CORRECT. EVERY MONTH.

SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT THE COST IS OF MAYBE A ONE PAGE NEWSLETTER.

I DON'T KNOW. IT USED TO COME FOUR PAGES TOGETHER.

YOU COULD OPEN IT, SEE WHAT WAS COMING.

EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION WAS ALSO INSIDE THIS NEWSLETTER.

IT WAS JUST A WEALTH OF INFORMATION.

SO IF YOU COULD GET BACK WITH MAYOR AND COUNCIL ON THE COST OF THAT, BECAUSE SURELY WE HAVE 443 000 ALLOCATED FOR COMMUNITY CONCERTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR COMMUNITIES BETTER INFORMED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IN ADDITION TO THE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE CITY MANAGER JONES.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMMUNICATIONS AUDIT ACROSS ALL CHANNELS WITH THE METRICS IN WHAT IS ACTUALLY WORKING, WHAT WE DEEM IS SUCCESSFUL, WHAT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL.

IN TOTALITY, I REALLY THINK THAT COMMUNICATIONS IS REALLY HOLISTIC TODAY.

WE'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF COUNT DEPARTMENTS COME IN AND TALK TO THEM, TALK TO US ABOUT THEIR PROJECTS.

THERE HAS BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT FUNDING.

THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE OVERALL PROJECTS, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE RESIDENTS? HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD? AND SO IN THIS. THE. ALTHOUGH THE NEWSLETTER IS A GOOD IDEA, I FEEL THAT IT'S TACTICAL AND SO I'M LOOKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF STRATEGY ACROSS ALL OF THE CHANNELS AND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.

SIGNAGE IS, IS ANOTHER OPTION.

WITH THE UTILITY BILLS, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE GONE TO ELECTRIC BILLS AND HAVE THOSE ELECTRIC BILLS BEEN CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF HOW THAT IS COMMUNICATED? IF WE'RE SENDING OUT BILLS, PAPER VERSUS PAPER VERSUS DIGITAL, MAYBE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SURVEY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR IN THE TRACKING AND THE AUDIT IS NOT NECESSARILY, IT CAN HELP INFORM STRATEGY, BUT IT CAN ALSO HELP US HELP OUR RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW ENGAGEMENT IMPACTS EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND THEN I'M ALSO LOOKING TO SEE IF WE CAN IF WE HAVE CONSIDERED DASHBOARDS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE LIKE TO GO ONLINE AND ACTUALLY LIKE SEARCH THE INFORMATION ON THEIR OWN AND, YOU KNOW, CREATE THEIR OWN NARRATIVES, ALTHOUGH THE NARRATIVE IS, YOU KNOW, CAN BE PROVIDED IN A NEWSLETTER.

BUT. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT COME OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOT JUST ABOUT THE LACK OF INFORMATION, IT'S AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE INFORMATION.

AND A NEWSLETTER IS GOING TO BE A HEAVY LIFT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, TO CAPTURE ALL OF THIS ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. EVEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRESS RELEASES AND NEWS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO MY QUESTION ALSO IS WHAT.

AND I'VE SAID A LOT. BUT MY QUESTION ALSO IS WHAT IS THE HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE WAY THAT WE ARE DOING COMMUNICATIONS AS A CITY? AND IT'S A VERY LONG QUESTION.

SO I ASKED, CAN YOU ASK THAT AGAIN IN SHORT FORM? THAT WAS A LOT. BASICALLY, WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE OVERALL APPROACH? BECAUSE I THINK NEWSLETTERS AND QR CODES ARE VERY TACTICAL.

AND I THINK AS A RESIDENT, WE HAVE SOME VERY SAVVY RESIDENTS THAT AREN'T JUST LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING.

THEY KNOW WHERE TO FIND SOME INFORMATION.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN HOW IT AFFECTS THE BUDGET. IF IT'S ACTUALLY IMPACTING, HOW IS IT GOING TO IMPACT THE RESIDENTS.

SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME STORYTELLING THERE AS WELL OR SOME TYPE OF OTHER THINGS.

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AND I KNOW THAT'S RESPONSIBLE AND THAT'S THE ANSWER RIGHT THERE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO.

TAKE MY ROLE APART FROM WHAT IS NECESSARY TO COMMUNICATE TO RESIDENTS AND HOW THAT HOW WE'RE MEASURING THESE THINGS. WELL, I THINK THE HOLISTIC APPROACH IS TO ONCE AGAIN, DO WELL FOR ONE, YOU GUYS TO PROVIDE UPDATES WHEN YOU CAN.

AND ALSO OUR DIRECTORS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER CAN COME IN AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED. SO I THINK IF IF SOMEONE IS TRYING TO AND WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE LIKE, ARE YOU LIKE REACHING FOR LIKE A CONTINUATION OF WHAT YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT HERE? AND MAYBE THE RESULT BE, YOU KNOW PUT ON VIDEO, WHETHER IT'S THE DIRECTOR OR THE CITY MANAGER OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE FROM COUNCIL.

I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THOSE THINGS.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO GET BACK TO DOING A LOT MORE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING WITH YOU GUYS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WE, WE USED TO DO A VIDEOS WITH ALL OF YOU GUYS AT SOME POINT.

YEAH. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT, LIKE I SAID, LIKE AN AUDIT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING WELL IN, EVEN IN THE AGENDA SOMETIMES.

I SENT OUT SOMETHING ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT UNDERSTANDING REALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING, WHERE WAS THE LAST TIME THAT IT HAPPENED? WHAT WAS THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE? WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS LIKE? WE GET BITS AND PIECES OF INFORMATION AND IT'S VERY DISJOINTED.

AND SO HOW CAN WE OR HOW CAN THE TEAM COME UP WITH WAYS THAT IS MORE HOLISTIC AND, YOU KNOW, FROM BEGINNING TO END SO THAT PEOPLE SEE THE OVERALL IMPACT AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, PIECES OF THE INFORMATION.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, MAYOR.

AND IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT US TO DO IN-HOUSE OR SEEK OUTSIDE? OH MY GOD, NO. OR NO, I THINK WE NEED A COMBINATION OF A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME I AM A HUGE FAN OF BRINGING IN CONSULTANTS TO DO HIGH LEVEL THINGS AND THEN WORKING INTERNALLY TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE ONLY WAY.

IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PRESENT A CONSULTANT, OR MAYBE OUR IN-HOUSE TEAM HAS COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND THEY WANT TO PRESENT THEIR WAY OF DOING IT, WHATEVER IS COST EFFICIENT ALONG THE WAY, OR IF WE HAVE TO, I DON'T KNOW, HIRE A DIRECTOR OR SOMETHING.

THEY'RE THE ANSWER TO THIS IS GOING TO BE BASED ON DOLLARS AND CENTS CONCEPT IMPACT AND WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.

THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE DID AN AUDIT OF THE AREAS THAT OF THE COMMUNICATION CHANNELS ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE ALL AT ONCE.

I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO BOIL THE OCEAN.

MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A PHASED APPROACH AS TO WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT AT THIS TIME.

AND I KNOW BASIC COMMUNICATION IS IT, BUT YEAH.

OKAY. IN HOUSE AND OUTHOUSE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

IN SUMMARY. SORRY. THANK YOU.

DID YOU GET IT? DID HE GET IT? YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ANSWER? YES. SO MAYOR JUST ASKED THAT I GO BACK TO KIND OF RECAP OR RESTATE THE ORIGINAL ASK.

I THINK THE THE BIGGEST THING IS WE'RE HEARING THAT WE NEED SOME MORE COMMUNICATION FROM RESIDENTS. AND SO JUST HAVING AN IDEA OF WHAT OUR OVERALL APPROACH AND STRATEGY TO ADDRESSING THAT FEEDBACK WOULD BE HELPFUL AND JUST UNDERSTAND, LIKE BASED ON THE CHANNELS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY ACTIVATE WHAT IS ACTIVATED, WHAT'S NOT ACTIVATED, WHAT'S POTENTIAL COST.

I LOVE THE SUGGESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS MADE AROUND THE, THE SIGNAGE AND POSSIBLY GETTING, YOU KNOW CVB INVOLVED THERE TO SEE HOW WE CAN GET THAT ACTIVATED. AND SO IT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S OUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND ADDRESSING THAT MAIN CHALLENGE.

DOCTOR MARTIN ROGERS YEAH, I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO PUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA. EVERYONE THINKS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE AS FAR AS THE A COMMUNICATION BULLETIN, AND THEN WE PROVIDE THE CITY MANAGER WITH A

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DIRECTIVE ON MONDAY. THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS CENTERED AROUND ITEM NUMBER 17.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE CAN IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? WE CAN MOVE THIS ITEM TO NUMBER 17 TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.

ARE WE SAYING THE NEXT WORK SESSION OR THE NEXT REGULAR NEXT? NO, I'M SAYING THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

REGULAR MEETING. OKAY.

MR. JONES CAN BE PROVIDED A DIRECTIVE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR HIM AND STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

I HEARD NEWSLETTER I HEARD THE TOUCH SCREEN.

I HEARD HOA MEETINGS, QR CODES.

SO I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, AT SOME POINT, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT EVALUATION OF THE NEXT PHASE OF COMMUNICATIONS AND HOW WE LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. YEAH.

I JUST DON'T. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ITEMS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I'M SORRY, MADAM MAYOR.

OH, WE GOT TO GO BACK TO WHAT WERE WE.

I DON'T KNOW. OH, YES.

[III.5. Discussion Regarding the Emergency Procurement Services for a Financial Consultant to Assist with the FY 2027 East Point Budget (Part 2 of 2)]

MADAM CITY ATTORNEY. WE HAD SOME MORE QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER.

IT WAS THE BUDGET ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

DISCUSSION REGARDING THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT SERVICES FOR FINANCIAL CONSULTANT TO ASSIST WITH THE FY 2027 BUDGET.

OKAY. YES. SO TO OUR LAST FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD DURING OUR LAST MEETING, WE ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO COME UP WITH NO, I'M SORRY, THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT SERVICES WAS ASKED FOR MYSELF MAYOR TO BRING FORTH SOME. WE TALKED ABOUT MR. WALL PROVIDING A EVALUATION.

OKAY. AND THEN. BUT THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT FOR MR. CHARLES FROM COUNCILWOMAN.

CALDWELL AND SO. THAT WAS WHERE WE LEFT OFF FOR OUR.

IS THERE A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER? SO I THINK, MADAM MAYOR, MA'AM, PLEASE.

I THINK WHY WE PAUSE FOR A SECOND.

I DIDN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION, BUT WHILE WE PAUSE FOR A SECOND, TO WAIT FOR YOU TO COME IN IS TWO PARTS.

ONE, THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, THE WAY THAT IT IS BEING DEFINED IS WE BECAUSE IT IS AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO OUT FOR BID.

AND JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT, BEFORE I MENTIONED THAT I FELT IT WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO I GUESS ACQUIRE THE SERVICE THAT WOULD DO THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF THE AUDIT WHEN WE HAD ISSUES OF TRANSPARENCY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND I REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK INTO AN UNBIASED SOMEONE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH. IN ORDER TO REVIEW THIS INFORMATION AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNCIL. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE BECAUSE OF THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

AND SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO OUT FOR BID AND A, A, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A BIASED COMPANY HAS BEEN SELECTED.