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[I. MEETING CALLED TO ORDER]

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EASTPOINTE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR OCTOBER 12TH, 2026. MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, ROLL CALL PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER HENNING WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE. COUNCIL MEMBER FRIEDLI PRESENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. ZIEGLER. COUNCIL MEMBER. CUMMINGS.

PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. MITCHELL. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. CALDWELL. COUNCIL MEMBER. MARTIN ROGERS. MAYOR CHAPMAN. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. FOR THE

[Consent Agenda]

START OF THE MEETING, WE CAN GO OVER SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON TO CONSENT, AND THEN WE WILL LET STAFF STAFF HAVE OUR PRESENTATIONS AND THEN LET STAFF AGENDA ITEMS COME, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THOSE INTO THE COUNCIL ITEMS. SO WE CAN START WITH THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEMS. START WITH NUMBER THREE. DO WE HAVE CONSENT OR DISCUSSION? YEAH. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE INFORMATION ON THE MONEY REGARDING THIS.

AND I THINK THAT I SENT IN SOME ORDINANCE CHANGES IN THE CITY. ATTORNEY ISN'T HERE FOR THAT UPDATE. AND I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN ROGERS, BUT ATTORNEY WIGGINS IS RUNNING LATE, BUT SHE'S IN ROUTE. SO I SENT HER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS E WANT TO JUST HOLD IT TO GO BACK TO THAT. AND IT SHOULD IF IT'S AN ORDINANCE, THEN IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO MAYBE OUR NEXT WORK SESSION. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE WILL OF COUNCIL IS. I KNOW THAT I HAD YEAH, WE ALL MADE SOME CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE. OKAY. WE ALL MADE SOME CHANGES TO THAT. OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST COME BACK TO THAT ITEM. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. NO. OH, THAT CAN GO TO CONSENT. ACTUALLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER FOUR. OKAY. NUMBER FOUR.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. CONSENT. I'M SORRY. WELL WELL I TELL YOU WHAT YOU SEE. YEAH. THEY PROVIDED THE THEY PROVIDED THE NEW HANDBOOK IN THE WHISTLEBLOWER POLICY AND ALSO THE GRIEVANCE POLICIES IN THERE. BUT I HAVE TWO I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A STRONGER POLICY AS TO WHO EMPLOYEES REPORT TO, ESPECIALLY OUR DIRECT REPORT. SO YOU MEAN OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER? OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER? YES, BECAUSE THE POLICY. SO WE HAVE DISCUSSION WRITTEN. ALL RIGHT. SO NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX IS DISCUSSION. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

ALRIGHT. NUMBER SEVEN CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. TO DISCUSS. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. CONSENT DISCUSSION, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. WE CAN DISCUSS IT. BUT SHE SENT AN EMAIL AND ASK THAT IT BE MOVED TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION. SO. OH YEAH, I THOUGHT WE WERE I HAD WRITTEN THAT AS A NOTE. I THOUGHT WE WERE ON EIGHT. I'M SORRY. YES. SO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN CONSENT OR DISCUSSION? NO.

SHE'S ASKED TO MOVE THAT TO NOVEMBER WORK SESSION AS JUST STATED. SO IS IT HOLD OR NOVEMBER WORK SESSION. WORK SESSION. AND SHE SENT AN EMAIL AND ASKED THAT IT BE REMOVED AND MOVED TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION. SO IT WON'T BE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE ONE THAT I WAS REQUESTING DISCUSSION JUST SO WE COULD GO TO THAT ITEM NUMBER NINE CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. YOU CAN GO TO CONSENT ESTABLISH WHETHER EXTREME UTILITY ITEM NUMBER TEN CONSENT NUMBER NINE. I THINK THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO SEE WHATEVER AND DISCUSS WHATEVER THE FINAL THAT WE CAME UP WITH REGARDING THAT.

OKAY. ITEM NUMBER NINE, WE'LL GO TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TEN CONSENT OR DISCUSSION.

SHE'S IMPACT BRIEFING DISCUSSION. AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FREHLEY, YOU'RE ONE OF THE SPONSORS OF THAT. SO WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS THAT? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER. SO FOR NEW AGENDA ITEM SO NUMBER TEN WILL BE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11 CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. YES. YES. ITEM NUMBER 12 CONSENT DISCUSSION.

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DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 13. CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. PIGGYBACK DISCUSSION. CONSENT.

DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION. ITEM NUMBER 14. CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 15. GREAT. ITEM NUMBER 16. ITEM NUMBER 17. DISCUSSION AND 18. WE HAVE CONSENT. CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER 19. CONSENT. CONSENT DISCUSSION. YOU SAID DISCUSSION. CONSENT. OKAY. THAT'S FINE.

ITEM NUMBER 20. CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. ITEM NUMBER 21. CONSENT. YEAH THAT'S THAT. 22.

ITEM NUMBER 22. CONSENT. ITEM NUMBER 23. ITEM NUMBER 24. CONSENT. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW. 25 CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. 26 CONSENT. 27 CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. CONSENT CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 29 CONSENT. DID YOU DO 28 THIS IS CHEMICAL SODA. CONSENT FOR. 29 OKAY. CONSENT FOR NUMBER 30 OR OKAY. 31 CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. 32 CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. ITEM NUMBER 33 CONSENT OR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 34. CONSENT OR DISCUSSION CONSENT. OKAY. OKAY.

OKAY. HOLD ON. YOU NEED TO SEE. DO YOU NEED DISCUSSION FOR THEM? OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 35. CONSENT DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION. ITEM NUMBER. ITEM NUMBER 36. CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. CONTRACT CONSENT.

OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT? COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL YEAH. OKAY. SO 36 WILL BE DISCUSSION.

37 CONSENT OR DISCUSSION MANAGER. DISCUSSION DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 38 CONSENT OR DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION AND ITEM NUMBER 39. CONSENT DISCUSSION. IF WE WANT TO JUST HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY GO THROUGH IT, DISCUSSION FOR ITEM NUMBER. IF WE GO BACK 32, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW MANY VEHICLES IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR THAT ONE? SO A DISCUSSION ON THAT. I WANTED TO KNOW THE NUMBER, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VEHICLES. IT'S JUST ONE. OKAY.

SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 32. YES. OKAY. SO ITEM NUMBER 32 HAS BEEN MOVED TO DISCUSSION. AND THEN MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, CAN WE CONFIRM THE CONSENT AND JUST HOW MANY CONSENT AND DISCUSSION ITEMS WE HAVE? 9 TO 11. 12. I HAVE 17 ITEMS FOR CONSENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT. AND SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN. MOVE TO THE. TO THE PRESENTATIONS, AND THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION ITEMS FROM STAFF STARTING WITH NEW AGENDA. ALRIGHT, THE FIRST

[II.1. 2026 Millage Rate Briefing Presentation]

PRESENTATION.

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HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. HI. GOOD EVENING. ALL RIGHT. SO.

OKAY. AND MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE START THE CLOCK, PLEASE? THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE MAYOR AND THE MEMBER OF COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY GIVEN TO ME TODAY TO PRESENT THE 2026 PROPERTY TAX MILLAGE RATE BRIEFING. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO REVIEW THE 2026 DIGEST AND MANAGEMENT'S RECOMMENDED ROLLBACK RATE. THEN CONSIDER THE PATH TO ADOPTION. OKAY, SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND FOR 2026 DIGEST, LOOKING AT IT AT A GLANCE, 2025 NET TAXABLE DIGEST WAS $1,978,175,862 AND 2026 NET TAXABLE DIGEST IS $2,152,648,311. THE NET DIGEST GROWTH IS $174,472,449, THAT IS 8.82%. NET DIGEST GROWTH, AND OUR 2025 ADOPTED MILLAGE RATE WAS 13 MEALS. WHEN WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF MILLAGE RATE, JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ESTIMATED LEVY WILL BE IF WE STAY WITH CURRENT RATE OF WHICH WAS 2025 MILLION RATE, WHICH IS 13, WHICH WAS 13 MEALS THAT WILL GIVE US ESTIMATED LEVY OF $27,984,428.04. THE ROLLBACK RATE FOR THIS YEAR IS 13.156 MIL. IF WE GO WITH THAT, THEN THAT WILL GIVE US ESTIMATED LEVY OF $28,320,241.18, 13.5 MIL WILL GIVE US $29,060,752.20. 14 MEALS GIVES US $30,137,076.35.

AND IF WE LOOK AT 14.5 MEALS, THAT GIVES US $31,213,400.51 ESTIMATES. WE CALL THE NET TAXABLE DIGEST AND MULTIPLY BY MILLAGE. THAT'S HOW WE COME WITH THE ESTIMATED LEVY. AND THE MANAGEMENT RECOMMENDS THE ROLLBACK RATE, WHICH IS 13.156 MILLS. ANY RATE ABOVE ROLLBACK REQUIRES TAX INCREASE NOTICES IN THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS. HOW THE PROPOSED RATE DETERMINES THE PROCESS. THE 2026 ROLLBACK RATE, AS I MENTIONED, IS 13.156 MILLS. REGARDLESS OF ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS, MILLAGE RATE OPTIONS WE USE, IT IS REQUIRED THAT THE CITY PUBLISH THE CURRENT DIGEST IN FIVE YEAR HISTORY AND ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC MEETING WHERE COUNCIL WILL SET THE MILLAGE RATE AND. BUT IF THE CITY DECIDE TO GO WITH 13.156 MILLS OR LESS, WHICH IS ROLLBACK RATE OR LESS, COUNCIL MAY ADOPT THE RATE AT THE ADVERTISED PUBLIC MEETING.

THE THREE TAX INCREASE HEARINGS ARE NOT REQUIRED, BUT ANY RATE ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE. IT IS REQUIRED THAT THE CITY PUBLISH THE REQUIRED TAX, INCREASE NOTICES AND ISSUE A PRESS RELEASE. ALSO HOLD THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE ADOPTION. ADOPTION ONE MUST BEGIN BETWEEN 6 AND 7 P.M. ON A BUSINESS WEEKDAY, SO THE PROPOSED RATE DETERMINES WHICH PUBLIC PROCESS AND SCHEDULE THE CITY FOLLOWS. WHILE TIMING MATTERS, THE COUNTY DELAY HAS ALREADY COMPRESSED THE REMAINING 2026 PROCESS. BECAUSE THE DIGEST ARRIVED LATE, THE CITY CAN NOW MOVE FORWARD, BUT THE NORMAL MILLAGE SETTING AND BILLING WINDOW IS SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER

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BECAUSE WE RECEIVE THE DIGEST, THE ONE THAT WE CAN USE FOR MILLAGE SETTING RATE. WE RECEIVED IT ON SEPTEMBER 24TH AND SEPTEMBER 14TH. AND ALSO, THERE'S ANOTHER REASON WHY TIMING MATTERS. THE HOMESTEAD TAX RELIEF GRANT IS ALSO BEING GIVEN THIS YEAR. THE LAST TIME WE DID IT WAS WE HAD IT WAS 2023. BUT THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE APPLICABLE AGAIN. AND WE HAVE TO SEND IN THE PACKAGE TO BE ABLE TO GET REFUND BECAUSE UPFRONT, WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY GIVE IT TO THE CITIZENS, TO THE HOMEOWNERS. THEN WE, WE SENDING THE PACKAGE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE TO REQUEST A REFUND. AND WE WERE ADVISED THAT STATE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE UNTIL DEPLETED AND ANTICIPATES EXHAUSTION. SO WHICH MEANS TIMELY CITY SUBMISSION REALLY MATTERS. AND AFTER THAT, SEVERAL STEPS ALSO REMAIN. COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS ONE OF WHICH IS THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY, THEN REQUIRED ADVERTISING, PUBLIC MEETING AND ADOPTION. APPLICATION BE SET UP AND BILL PRINT PRINTING. ALL THIS TAKES TIME. SO THE DELAYED DIGEST HAS REALLY COMPRESSED THE SCHEDULE. A TIMELY COUNCIL DECISION WILL HELP THE CITY ADOPT A RATE AND PREPARE TAX BILLS. PROPOSED COUNCIL PATH AND ALTERNATE SCHEDULE. WORKING DATE SUBJECT TO COUNCIL DIRECTION. THE SECOND COLOR SHOWS STEPS REQUIRED ONLY IF COUNCIL CHOOSES A RATE ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE OF 13.156 MEALS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE RECEIVED THE DIGEST ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026 AND WE. WE MET. THE MANAGEMENT, MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON SEPTEMBER 22ND AND TODAY WE ARE HERE ON OCTOBER 12TH TO GET THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND DEPENDING ON THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, TODAY, NOVEMBER 2ND CAN BE CAN BE SET AND USED FOR A MEETING AND ADOPTION, OR IT CAN BE USED AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

NUMBER ONE, THAT DEPENDS ON THE DECISION MADE. THE DECISION MADE TODAY. IF THE. IF THE COUNCIL DECIDE TO RECOMMEND 13 POINT TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF 13.156 MEALS OR GIVE ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT, THEN NOVEMBER 2ND CAN BE USED AS MEETING AND ADOPTION DATE.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSE A RATE ABOVE THAT ROLLBACK RATE, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE ON NOVEMBER 2ND, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE SECOND ONE ON NOVEMBER 16TH AND THE THIRD ONE ON DECEMBER 7TH, WHICH MEANS UNTIL AFTER THAT, BEFORE WE CAN START WITH THE PACKAGE SUBMISSION, THE BSN AND ALL THE PRINTING. AND IF WE DECIDE IF THE OPTION TODAY IS TO TO GO WITH THE 13.156 MEALS OR LESSER, THEN IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING, WE HAVE TO PUBLISH THE NOTICE. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND THE EARLIEST THE LATEST WE CAN OR THE EARLIEST WE CAN PUBLISH IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE THE LATEST, I'M SORRY, THE LATEST WE CAN PUBLISH IT WILL BE OCTOBER 21ST. AND WE CURRENTLY USE SOUTH FULTON LEGAL. AND THEY REQUIRE. IF WE ARE GOING TO PUBLISH ON OCTOBER 24TH, THEN WE MUST SUBMIT THE AD TO THEM BY OCTOBER 14TH. SO WE CAN'T JUST PICK ANY DATE AND SAY, LET'S DO THE. LET'S HAVE THE MEETING ON SOCIAL DAY. THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, SOME REQUIREMENTS, BUT IF THE RATE IS ABOVE, IT'S ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE, THEN WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THE AD BY OCTOBER 28TH AND THEN PUBLISH IT BY NOVEMBER 4TH, WHICH MEANS WE CANNOT HAVE THE SECOND HEARING EARLIER THAN NOVEMBER 16TH. AND THE SAME THING GOES WITH THE THIRD HEARING. SO TODAY WE REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER MANAGEMENT'S RECOMMENDATION OF 13.156 MEALS OR PROVIDE DIRECTION ON AN ALTERNATIVE RATE. COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE A RATE BELOW EQUAL TO OR ABOVE THE ROLLBACK RATE. BUT IF COUNCIL SELECTS A RATE ABOVE ROLLBACK RATE, THEN WE DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE REQUIRED NOTICE AND THREE HEARING PROCESS. THANK YOU. THE HOMESTEAD TAX RELIEF GRANT. HOW DOES IT AFFECT AN ELIGIBLE HOMEOWNER? WE ARE GOING TO USE ILLUSTRATE ILLUSTRATION OF A HOUSE WITH $400,000 FAIR MARKET VALUE AT

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THE RECOMMENDED 13.156 MEALS. SUCH A HOUSE. WE HAVE A AN ASSESSED VALUE OF 40%, WHICH IS $160,000. AND WE HAVE TO APPLY THE CITY'S EXEMPTION FIRST BEFORE WE CAN APPLY THE TRG. SO USING THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF $2,000, IF WE APPLY THAT, THEN THAT REDUCES THE TAXABLE VALUE TO $158,000. THEN APPLYING THE TRG, THE MAXIMUM THAT ANY HOMEOWNER CAN ANY QUALIFIED HOMEOWNER CAN GET IS $18,000. SO TAKING THAT $18,000 OUT OF THE $158,000, THEN THAT LEAVES US WITH TAXABLE VALUE OF $140,000. AND APPLYING THE 13.156 MEALS BEFORE THE TR, THE TAX AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE $2,000, $78, $2,078.65. THAT'S THE VALUE, THE TAXABLE VALUE OF 158,000 MULTIPLIED BY THE MEAL, THE MILLAGE RATE AND THEN DIVIDED BY 1000. BUT BY THE TIME THE TRG IS APPLIED, THAT TAXABLE THAT TAX AMOUNT REDUCES TO $1,841.84. THAT'S BECAUSE THE TAXABLE VALUE REDUCED TO $140,000. SO WHICH MEANS THE ESTIMATED TRG REDUCTION IS $236.81. SINCE THE CITY HAS DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. SO WE ARE ALSO USING DISABLED VETERAN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION TO SHOW WHAT THE HOMEOWNER, THE QUALIFIED HOMEOWNER, WILL PAY WITH A HOUSE VALUE WITH A FAIR MARKET VALUE OF $400,000. THE ASSESSED VALUE, AS I SAID BEFORE, WILL BE $160,000. AND WHEN WE APPLY THE DISABLED VETERAN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF $126,526, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAXIMUM REDUCTION THEY CAN HAVE WHEN WE APPLY, WHEN WE DEDUCT IT FROM THAT 100 AND 160,000, THAT REDUCES THE TAXABLE VALUE TO $33,474. AND BECAUSE THAT AMOUNT IS HIGHER THAN THE EIGHT RG MAXIMUM, THEN WE HAVE TO APPLY THE TRG. AND THAT WILL REDUCE THE TAXABLE VALUE TO $15,474 USING THE SAME 13.156 MEALS. THE TAX AMOUNT BEFORE THE TRG FOR THIS PERSON WILL BE $440.38, AND WHEN TRG IS APPLIED, THEN IT REDUCES IT TO $203.50. SO SOMEBODY WITH SUCH HOME IS STILL GETTING THE MAXIMUM TRG REDUCTION. BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOME VETERANS WITH HOMESTEAD DISABLED VETERAN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION THAT WILL NOT GET THE FULL VALUE OF THAT $18,000. LET'S USE THE A, A HOUSE WITH FAIR MARKET VALUE OF $350,000. THE 40% ASSESSED VALUE WILL BE 140,000. REMEMBER, THE MAXIMUM OF 126,005 26 IS THE MAXIMUM THAT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION DISABLED VETERAN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION CAN GIVE.

WHEN WE DEDUCT THAT. THAT REDUCES THE TAXABLE VALUE TO $13,474. THAT AMOUNT IS LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM TRG. WE CANNOT APPLY TRG TO A HIGHER THAN WHAT THE TAXABLE VALUE IS. SO FOR THAT REASON, TRG APPLIED IN THIS CASE IS GOING TO BE $13,474. THAT LIVING THAT PERSON WITH TAXABLE VALUE OF ZERO. SO WHICH MEANS BEFORE THE. THIS HOMEOWNER WILL HAVE PAID $177.26. BUT BECAUSE OF H TRG, THIS PERSON WILL PAY NO TAX FOR THIS YEAR. THERE'S ANOTHER WAY IT. IT ALSO AFFECTS DISABLED VETERAN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION BENEFICIARY. LET'S SAY WE HAVE A HOUSE WITH A FAIR MARKET VALUE OF $200,000. THE 40% ASSESSED VALUE IS GOING TO BE 80,000. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IT'S LESSER THAN THE MAXIMUM OF THE DISABLED VETERAN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. WE CANNOT APPLY EXEMPTION TO A HIGHER THAN THE TAXABLE VALUE SINCE THE ASSESSED VALUE IS 80,000. SO THE MAXIMUM THAT THIS VETERAN CAN ACTUALLY GET WILL BE $80,000. THAT HAS REDUCED THE TAXABLE VALUE TO $0. SO IN THIS CASE THERE WILL BE NO H TRG APPLIED. NOW LET'S LOOK AT COMPARISON BETWEEN 13.156 MEALS AND THE 13 MEALS THAT WE

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ADOPTED IN 2025, WITH A HOUSE OF $200,000. FAIR MARKET VALUE, 40% ASSESSED VALUE IS 80,000.

BASIC HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FOR THE CITY IS 2000. H TRG IS 18,000. SO WHICH MEANS AFTER ALL THESE ARE APPLIED, THE TAXABLE VALUE WILL BE $60,000. WITH 13 MEALS, THE TAX AMOUNT WILL BE $780,780. I'M SORRY. AND THE THIRD AND WITH 13.156 MEALS, IT WILL BE $789.36. I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. OKAY, SO THE ANNUAL DIFFERENCE IS $9.36 PER MONTH IS $0.78 PER DAY IS $0.03. THE SAME THING GOES WITH A HOUSE WITH $300,000. FAIR MARKET VALUE. THE AT 13 MEALS IS GOING TO BE $1,300 AS AT 13.156, MEALS WILL BE $1,315.60. THAT'S WITH. THAT'S ANNUAL DIFFERENCE OF $15.60 PER MONTH, 130 PER DAY, $0.04. SAME THING GOES WITH $400,000. FAIR MARKET VALUE. THE. AT 13 MEALS, IT WILL BE $1,820. AT 13.156 MEALS, IT WILL BE $1,841.84. THAT'S ANNUAL DIFFERENCE OF $21.84 PER MONTH, $1.82 PER DAY $0.06. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE LIKE THAT, BUT THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF IF WE GO WITH 13.5, THE DIFFERENCE.

AND IF WE GO WITH 14 MEALS, AND IF WE GO WITH 14.5 MEALS. THE DIFFERENCE ALSO IS THERE NEXT ONE AND THE PREVIOUS ONE, I'M SORRY, THAT ONE WAS FOR A HOUSE WITH $200,000. THIS ONE IS A HOUSE WITH 300,000 FAIR MARKET VALUE WITH $100,000 TAXABLE VALUE. AFTER BASIC HOMESTEADING TRG THE SAME THING. WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN EACH OF THE EACH OF THE MILLAGE RATES. ALSO WITH THE. A HOUSE WITH $450,000 FAIR MARKET VALUE. THE DIFFERENCE ALSO IS ON THIS TABLE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY GIVEN TO ME TO PRESENT THIS TODAY. AND THIS WILL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION. AND ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR ATTENTION. AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ATTEND TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THIS CORRECTLY. SO I BELIEVE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING US GO WITH THE 13.15 MEALS. IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION? YES.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE SAYING AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID NOVEMBER 2ND, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION SO WE CAN CORRECT HAVE THE HEARINGS CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. FREELY. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT'S VERY THOROUGH AND CLEAR SLIDES. THANK YOU. HOW DID HOW DID STAFF ARRIVE AT THE RECOMMENDED MILLAGE RATE OF 13.156? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE 13.156 IS THE ROLLBACK RATE. PUTTING INTO CONSIDERATION THE REASSESSMENT LOSSES THAT WE DO HAVE. THAT'S THE ROLLBACK RATE THAT WILL BE GIVING US THE SAME THING THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL BE EXACT SAME AMOUNT, BUT CONSIDERING THE REASSESSMENT, WHEN WE PUT THE REASSESSMENT INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT'S WHAT WE GIVE US. THE SAME THING. WE WE DID IT LAST YEAR. OKAY. AND SO WHAT YOU NEED FROM US TONIGHT IS A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO GO ABOVE THAT. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IF WE GO TO 13.156, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THE THE THREE ADVERTISINGS FOR THE MEETINGS. CORRECT. WE WILL NOT HAVE TO DO IT. SO WE JUST. OKAY.

AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE WITH REGARDS TO THIS ENTIRE THING.

SO THE, THE MILLAGE RATE AT THE 13.156 THAT WILL PROVIDE US THE, I GUESS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE FORECASTING OUT FOR BUDGET, THAT WOULD GIVE US THE NECESSARY FUNDS THAT WE NEED FOR TO CARRY US INTO THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, NEXT BUDGET. HOW ARE YOU DOING, COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE ACTUALLY PROJECTED THE BUDGET, THE REVENUE THIS YEAR

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FOR 26.4. AND SO WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD TAKE US UP A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION IN EXCESS. SO WE WOULD HAVE EXTRA REVENUE. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. I THINK THAT WAS OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MISS OKIE. IT'S VERY THOROUGH. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WASN'T QUITE SURE IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AND DEPLETED FUNDS FOR THE HTRG. CAN YOU STATE THAT AGAIN? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HEARD THAT YOU CLEARLY. OKAY. WE ARE ENCOURAGED. EVERYONE IS ENCOURAGED TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT THE PACKAGE IN A TIMELY MANNER, AND WE CANNOT SUBMIT IT UNTIL THE TAX BILL IS READY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEND A COPY OF OUR TAX BILL ALONG WITH THE PACKAGE. SO. SO THEY SAID MAKE SURE YOU SUBMIT IT ON TIME BECAUSE WHEN THE FUND IS GONE, IT IS GONE. AND WHEN I NOTICE THAT THE THERE WAS A DELAY RECEIVING DIGEST FROM THE COUNTY, I REACHED OUT TO DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AND THEY EVEN ON THE DAY I REACHED OUT TO HER, SHE SAID, THEY'VE STARTED GIVING IT OUT TO PEOPLE WHO ALREADY SUBMITTED THEIR OWN. AND I WAS ASKING IF THERE IS ANYTHING THE CITY CAN EVEN DO TO. AT LEAST. MAYBE THERE ARE SOME PACKAGES I CAN SEND AHEAD OF TIME. SHE SAID NO, THAT EVERYTHING MUST BE READY, AND THE ONLY THING SHE CAN TELL ME IS AS SOON AS WE GET IT READY, EVEN IF I HAVE TO SEND EVERYTHING TO HER BEFORE MAILING OUT THE BILLS, THAT WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO SEND IT, OKAY? AND THAT WILL ENSURE THAT WE GET OUR REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE. WE WANT TO BE SURE WE ARE REIMBURSED.

YES, SIR. OKAY. AND BECAUSE THE CITY BECAUSE WE OPTED TO NOT OPT OUT OF HOUSE BILL 581 AND I THINK LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT MAY HAVE APPLIED TO OUR COLLECTION. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT REDUCTION IS THAT WE DID NOT COLLECT BECAUSE OF 581 LAST YEAR? YES.

ARE YOU LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAST YEAR AND 2024? YES, IT WAS ABOUT HOLD ON. LET ME CHECK. ABOUT $6 MILLION. ABOUT $6 MILLION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. SO JUST TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING, MISS CARTWRIGHT, YOU JUST MENTIONED, YOU SAID THAT WITH THIS 13.1 RATE, WE WOULD HAVE EXTRA REVENUE. OKAY. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES KIND OF GOES BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER FREHLEY'S QUESTION. HOW DO WE GET TO THE 13.1? IS THERE A NEED FOR THAT IF IT'S GOING TO BRING IN EXTRA. LET ME JUST I WANT CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? SO WE'RE. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO INCREASE FROM 13 TO 13.1. RIGHT. AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WILL BRING IN OVER WHAT WE ANTICIPATE OR NEED FOR THE YEAR. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE STATING? YES. SO IF LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE STAYED AT THE 13%. OKAY. I MEAN, SORRY, 13 MILS THAT WOULD TAKE OUR OVERAGE AT 1.4 IF WE WENT TO 13.156. WHAT'S THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? OKAY, SO THAT WOULD TAKE US TO 28 MILLION. SO IT WOULD PUT US APPROXIMATELY AT 4 MILLION, WHICH WOULD GIVE US OVERAGE.

AND WE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE WE ARE TRYING TO PAY THE COLA THE RETIREMENT. SO WE COULD USE THAT TOWARDS THAT RATHER THAN GOING TO REVENUE RESERVES. OKAY. BUT STICKING WITH THE CURRENT RATE WOULD BE UNDER WHERE WE NEED TO BE. WE IF WE STICK WITH THE CURRENT RATE, WE'LL STILL GET 1.4 OVER WHAT WAS FORECASTED. OKAY. AND SO THEN EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN THE NEED TO MOVE TO THE 3.156. OKAY. EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A INCREASE, THE ROLLBACK RATE IS DETERMINED BY THE REASSESSMENT. IS THERE ANY INCREASE OR DECREASE IN REASSESSMENT. AND

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BASED ON THE FORM THAT WAS SENT TO US BY THE COUNTY, BY THE TIME WE PUT IN OUR INFORMATION, THE REASSESSMENT ACTUALLY AFFECTED CITY OF EAST POINT. WE LOST ABOUT $25.8 MILLION THROUGH NET REASSESSMENT. THE REASON WE HAVE THIS GAIN IS BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER $200.3 MILLION ADDED BECAUSE OF OTHER CHANGES, BUT THE WE DON'T KNOW THOSE CHANGES. FULTON COUNTY DOES. SO WE DON'T KNOW. THOSE MAY BE ONE TIME THING. AND IF WE GO WITH THAT 13 MEAL THIS YEAR, IF NEXT YEAR WE DECIDE TO NOW EVEN GO TO 13.156. IF THE ROLLBACK RATE IS LESSER, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO DO THE THREE HEARINGS. SO IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH 13 MEAL RIGHT NOW, IT MAY PUT US IN A CHOKE BY NEXT YEAR. BECAUSE IF THAT OTHER CHANGES IS NOT PRESENT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE JUST GET THE FORM FROM THEM AND WE PUNCH IN THE THE INFORM OUR OWN INFORMATION AND IT WILL TELL US HOW MUCH WE LOST. SO THE NET REASSESSMENT, THE GOVERNMENT, THE DOCUMENT IS SAYING IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BE IN THE SAME PLACE YOU WERE LAST YEAR, 13.156 IS THE RATE THAT YOU WILL NEED TO USE. AND LET US REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE OF THE HB 581 LAST YEAR, WE DID LOST. WE DID THE REVENUE ACTUALLY TOOK A DIVE LAST YEAR FROM 2024. SO RIGHT NOW WE CAN GO WITH 13 MEALS, BUT IT MAY PUT US IN A PLACE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE NEXT YEAR. OKAY? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT SO THAT WE CAN BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE THIS TO RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS TO WHY THERE WOULD BE A NEED. OKAY, OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS YES.

AND SO I JUST HEARD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HEARD THAT THE PROPOSAL IS TO GO FROM 13 MEALS TO 13.11 MEALS. AND CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN, HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE 13 GOING TO GENERATE VERSUS THE 13.1? OKAY. 13 MEAL WILL GENERATE ABOUT $27,984,428.04, AND 13.156 MEALS WILL GENERATE $28,320,241.18. ALRIGHT. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, I HEARD MISS CARTWRIGHT SAY THAT THAT MONEY, THE MONEY THAT WE GENERATE FROM THAT COULD FUND THE COLA. I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY OR I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. IF WE ARE TO GO TO THE 13.156 MEALS, WHAT CAN THAT MONEY BE USED FOR? COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS THAT'S GOING TO GO TO GENERAL FUND SO IT COULD BE USED FOR ANYTHING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE LOOKING AT IN A ROUNDABOUT FIGURE OF WHAT WOULD HOMEOWNERS PAY ANNUALLY? ARE WE LOOKING AT AN INCREASE OF LIKE $20, $30 OR JUST A ROUNDABOUT FIGURE OF WHAT THEY WOULD PAY? NO, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. OKAY. FOR A HOMEOWNER OR FOR A HOUSE WITH $200,000 FAIR MARKET VALUE, 13 MEALS WILL BE $780, 13.156 MEALS WILL BE $789. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ANNUAL DIFFERENCE OF $9.36. AND THE HOME WITH A $300,000 FAIR MARKET VALUE, WE ARE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENCE OF $15.60 PER ANNUALLY. AND THEN FOR FOR $400,000, FAIR MARKET VALUE. WE ARE LOOKING AT ANNUAL DIFFERENCE OF $21.84. YES. AND THEN MY ADDITIONAL QUESTION IS I WANT TO JUST GET A SHOT OF THAT. THANK YOU. MY ADDITIONAL QUESTION IS WHAT OTHER ALTERNATIVES WERE CONSIDERED BEFORE PROPOSING THE 13.156? WERE THERE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES CONSIDERED? SO THESE ARE THESE WERE THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. WE WENT WE DID THE 1313.156 AND THEN THE 13.514 AND 14.5. THE 13.5 AND ABOVE WOULD REQUIRE US TO DO MORE OF THE THE NOTICES. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO GO WITH

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13.156. ALRIGHT. AND SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT I HAVE TO CALCULATE THESE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE. OKAY, JUST TO BE SURE OF THIS, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF INCREASES EARLIER. IT WAS THE RATE INCREASE FOR THE UTILITIES. SOME OTHER INCREASES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE COUNCIL. AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MILLAGE RECOMMENDATION AND REVENUE INCREASE. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE AREN'T GOING TO GET ANY MONEY COMING IN. WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE MONEY AT THE 13.156, BECAUSE IF WE STAY AT THE 13.

WE'RE GUARANTEED MONIES AS WELL, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN. LET'S SEE. SORRY, CITY COUNCIL. FREELY. AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. AND APOLOGIES. I MEANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION WHEN I WAS IN FIRST, AND THIS IS A PROCESS QUESTION, PERHAPS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, GIVEN THAT THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AS A PRESENTATION AND NOT AS POSSIBLE ACTION, DOES THAT POSE ANY CHALLENGES FOR THE REQUESTS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO, COUNCILMAN. FREELY, IT CAN GO ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONDAY FOR DECISION. IF YOU STAY AT THIS AMOUNT, IF YOU DECIDE TO GO ANY HIGHER, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL NEED TO HAPPEN, WHICH CAN'T START NOW ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE THEM FIRST, BASICALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. LAST QUESTION. SO IF WE DO DECIDE TO GO WITH THE 13.156, WHAT IS YOUR PREPARATION TIME FOR GETTING THIS ENTIRE PACKAGE TOGETHER? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU ALL TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO THAT IT CAN BE PRESENTED? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH THE 13.156 MEALS, AND THEN WE DECIDE TO START EVERYTHING BY NOVEMBER, WE ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE BY THE LAST WEEK IN NOVEMBER OR FIRST WEEK IN DECEMBER, THE BILLS SHOULD BE OUT. THE REASON IS BECAUSE VESNA HAS TO GENERATE THE BILLS FOR US THOUGH IN ORDER TO SPEED IT UP. I SPOKE WITH THEM LAST WEEK BECAUSE I WAS CHECKING TO SEE THE DIGEST AS THEY COME OUT, SO I SENT IT TO THEM TO PLEASE START WORKING WITH IT, BECAUSE REMEMBER THAT WE MIGRATED LAST YEAR AND THEY ARE STILL REALLY NOT. THEY ARE STILL HAVING SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE SYSTEM. SO THEY DECIDED THAT, OKAY, THEY WILL WORK ON IT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS SO THAT BY THE TIME WE ARE READY, THEY CAN JUST RUN WITH IT. HOPEFULLY IT WON'T TAKE MORE THAN A WEEK FOR IT TO COMPLETE THEIR OWN AND PRINTING COMPANY ACTUALLY ASK. THEY GIVE US ABOUT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS, SO LOOKING AT THAT BEFORE IT WILL ACTUALLY BE READY WILL BE LAST WEEK IN NOVEMBER OR FIRST WEEK IN DECEMBER. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE CANNOT HAVE A MEETING BEFORE NOVEMBER 2ND, THE PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY. SO LET'S JUST SAY THE LAST WEEK OF NOVEMBER, WHAT IS THE DUE DATE FOR THAT? BECAUSE YOU THINK THERE THERE MAY BE SOME RESIDENTS WHOSE HOMES ARE PAID FOR. SO THERE'S NO ESCROW, WHICH NORMALLY TAXES ARE PAID FROM THERE. SO I KNOW I'VE RECEIVED TAX BILLS EARLIER, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE? USUALLY WE GIVE 60 DAYS GRACE PERIOD. SO WHENEVER WE MAIL THE BILL, OKAY, SO 60 DAYS FROM THAT DATE. YES. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT NEEDED TO BE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THAT'S FINE. SO STILL BE 60 DAYS REGARDLESS TO CORRECT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I YIELD, MADAM MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PRESENTATION. I COULDN'T ACCESS IT BEFORE THE MEETING. IT'S ASKING FOR US TO PUT IN A USERNAME PASSWORD TO GET ACCESS TO IT. CAN WE GET A COPY OF THIS SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT? AND THAT MIGHT JUST BE A NOTE THAT A LOT OF THE ITEMS. IN THE EMAIL IS ASKING FOR A PASS, LIKE IT'S ASKING FOR A PASSWORD TO GET ACCESS TO THE ITEMS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR. YES, I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THIS IS A DIRECT REFLECT OF WHAT I AM SHARED WITH YOU GUYS. A FEW MONTHS AGO, WHEN FULTON COUNTY NEEDED TO FILE THE IMMEDIATE PETITION FOR GETTING AN ALLOWANCE FOR A DELAY IN GETTING THE DIGEST OUT. SO IF

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YOU REMEMBER THAT EMAIL, THAT'S WHY THIS IS JUST NOW COMING TO YOU AS OPPOSED TO OCTOBER. WHEN YOU'RE USED TO HAVING THIS, HAVING THE BILLS GO OUT. NOW, WE'RE JUST NOW HAVING THE CONVERSATION. SO THE BILLS ARE GOING OUT LATER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO WHEN THE MILLAGE RATE WAS DECIDED, WAS THAT A PART WAS THE 13.156 A PART OF THE BUDGET OR WAS IT CONSIDERED WITH A 13? SO WHEN THE FORECAST WAS BEING DONE, THERE WAS A DIFFERENT AMOUNT THAT WAS GIVEN. AND THEN I DID A HISTORICAL ON IT TO SEE WHAT WHAT IT WAS GOING TO, WHAT THE TREND WAS DOING. AND MY, MY FORECAST WAS 26.4 MILLION, EXCUSE ME. SO THAT'S WHY THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT INCREASE TO WHERE WE'RE AT. OKAY. SO IT WAS CONSIDERED A NOT A 13.1 OR THE 13, BUT A MY FORECAST WAS 26.4 FOR THE MILLAGE, FOR THE RATE FOR THE MILL, FOR THE REVENUE. SO WHAT WAS THAT FOR THE MILL? I, I DID, I DIDN'T DO A MILL. YOU JUST DID THE I DID, YEAH, I DID THE REVENUE. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE TIMING AND THE TIMELINE IS THIS IS THIS PUBLISHED IN THE BUDGET BOOK, LIKE THE TIMING AND LIKE THE STEPS AND HOW THE DEADLINES TO SUBMIT THE INFORMATION OR WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME BACK TO US? NO, NOT THE TAX DIGEST. OKAY. IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL IF WE DID HAVE THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS IF HOW DOES THIS HOW DOES THE MILL RATE, HOW DID THE AUDITS THAT WE HAVE IMPACT OUR ASSESSMENT OF THE MILL RATE AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? THE LACK OF AUDITS THAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THIS BECAUSE IT'S THE TAX. SO I GUESS I'M I'M I'M READING THAT THAT QUESTION. RIGHT. SO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT, HOW IT AFFECTS THE AUDIT. WELL, HOW WILL THE HOW DOES THE AUDIT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE MILL RATE AT ALL? IT'S JUST LIKE, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, DOES IT HAVE. WELL, SINCE THE AUDIT IS BEHIND YOUR BEHIND THE BUDGET, THEN IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL REVENUES ARE. SO IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR TONIGHT? OKAY. COUNCILMAN ATKINS YES. SO THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENT HOUR IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD YOU CLEARLY ABOUT THE STATE FUNDS NEARLY BEING DEPLETED. RIGHT. AND BASED ON THE FACT THAT FULTON COUNTY WAS ASKING FOR THE DELAY BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO NEW ASSESSMENTS, IT SEEMS THAT IF NO OTHER COUNTIES ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION, THAT FULTON COULD BE AT A DISADVANTAGE WHEN REQUESTING REIMBURSEMENTS FROM THE STATE. IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE IF IF WE'RE GETTING OUR TAX BILLS OUT LATE AND OUR PACKAGES ARE NOT TOGETHER, AND WE'VE GOT TO SUBMIT THAT PACKAGE TO THE STATE FOR REIMBURSEMENT. BUT FULTON HAD ASKED FOR A DELAY BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THE ASSESSMENTS. SO THEN THAT WOULD PUT FULTON AT A DISADVANTAGE IN TERMS OF PERHAPS GETTING THEIR REIMBURSEMENTS FROM THE STATE. IT IT WILL IF THE MONEY IS DEPLETED, OKAY, IT'S DEPLETED. SO. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION IS, SO FOR THIS AND FOR US TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I WOULD HATE FOR US TO GET OUR PACKAGE TOGETHER, GET IT IN. AND THEN THERE ARE NO FUNDS, RIGHT, FOR REIMBURSEMENT. SO ARE YOU THEN ASKING FOR US TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS AT OUR NEXT MONDAY MEETING? YES, SIR. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE ASK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR PRESENTATION ON THE AGENDA IS THE SOLID WASTE REROUTE DATA UPDATE.

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING. BACK HERE FOR LET ME SEE LET ME SAY THE ORDINANCE CHANGES REGARDING SOLID WASTE. SO WE DID CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD BEFORE. GO AHEAD. SO SORRY ONE SECOND. COUNCIL DISCUSSION. APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE CHANGE IN SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND SANITATION SERVICES. THIS IS NUMBER TWO PRESENTATION. SO THIS NUMBER TWO THE SOLID WASTE REROUTE DATA PLAN UPDATE IS THAT THIS IS IT. YEAH. SO WHAT WHAT ARE WE DISCUSSING. WHAT ARE WE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. IS THIS ITEM. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER TWO THE SOLID WASTE REROUTE DATA UPDATE. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO SKIP ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR TONIGHT. OKAY. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. ALL RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN I SENT IT IN, BUT EXCUSE ME MA'AM. YES. SO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED FEES THAT ARE SHOWN IN THIS ORDINANCE. SO THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE REROUTE THE DATA. FOR THE. THAT'S LATER. IT'S FOR THE NUMBER TWO. SO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS SUPPOSED TO BE HIS UPDATE WITH THE ROLLOUT. YOU DID THE NEW ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE TRASH COLLECTION, CORRECT? YES. SO YOU JUST UPDATE US TO LET US KNOW WHAT WORKED, WHAT DIDN'T WORK, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. YES. OKAY. BUT SHE'S TRYING TO PULL THE PRESENTATION UP. CORRECT? OKAY, SO SHE'S TRYING TO PULL THE PRESENTATION UP. AND UNTIL THEY GET THE PRESENTATION UP, THE ORDINANCE, THAT'S WHAT'S UP NOW, WHICH IS NUMBER THREE.

NUMBER THREE. YES. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO ARE WE GOING WITH NUMBER THREE FOR NOW? I WANT TO BE CLEAR. I HAVE NUMBER THREE AS SAYING HAVE A HOLE NEXT TO IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE. OH. SO YOU'RE WE CAN GO TO NUMBER THREE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE READY WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR DISCUSSION. WE HAVE IT FOR HOLD. SO THAT'S THE DATA NUMBER TO THE NEXT. THEY HAVE IT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS LOOK IT OVER. SO WE WANT TO. DO IT OVER. LIKE WHEN Y'ALL GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. IT'S AN ITEM. SO WE CAN IT'S ACTUALLY AN UPDATE ON THE DATA FROM LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR WITH THE REROUTE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR'S ROUTE. OKAY. I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PACKET SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO YOUR NEXT ITEM. IF COUNCIL

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WANTS TO HEAR IT, THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL IF THEY'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS ITEM. IF IT HASN'T BEEN

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PRESENTED IN THE PACKET. OKAY. LET'S GO FORWARD WITH HEARING IT. THAT'S FINE. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, TODAY'S PRESENTATION GOING TO SHOW EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE IN 2025 TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. HOW SOLID WASTE FACED EARLY CHALLENGES DURING THE START OF THIS REROUTE. THE COMMUNICATION GAP, EQUIPMENT ISSUES AND SERVICE DELAYS. AS WE ROLLED OUT THE NEW ROUTE CHANGES, SOLID WASTE ENCOUNTERED SEVERAL CHALLENGES THAT WE ADDRESSED DIRECTLY.

THESE ARE NOT EXCUSES. THESE WERE CHALLENGES THAT NATURALLY COME WITH THE CHANGE OF THIS SIZE, AND WE RESOLVED THEM DESPITE THE THESE INITIAL DISRUPTIONS, WE ARE OBSERVING CLEAR AND CONSISTENT IMPROVEMENT ACROSS THE SYSTEM. SORRY, I'M GOING TO BE TRYING TO LOOK BACK AND FORTH. ON THAT. YES. SO IN SEPTEMBER 2025, OUR OPERATION REQUIRE 87 UNITS FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH. SOLID WASTE USED 1142 GALLONS OF FUEL AND COLLECTED 733 TONS OF WASTE.

RUNNING THAT MANY UNITS FORCED US TO SUSPEND BULK AMNESTY AND ROLL OFF JUST TO MAINTAIN CORE SERVICE UNDER THE NEW REROUTE IN SEPTEMBER 26TH, SOLID WASTE IS OPERATING WITH 62 UNITS.

FUEL USAGE HAS DECREASED TO 121 GALLONS. TONNAGE STANDS AT 646 WITH SLIGHTLY LOWER TONNAGE AND LOWER AMOUNT OF FUEL USAGE. WE ARE ACHIEVING MORE WITH FEWER RESOURCES AND CAN NOW FULLY RESTORE BOTH SUSPENDED SERVICES. BULK AMNESTY AND ROLL OFF. THAT'S 25 YEARS. SO THE START OF THE NEW REROUTE CAME WITH SEVERAL CHALLENGES. COMMUNICATION GAPS LEFT SOME RESIDENTS UNSURE OF THEIR SERVICE DAYS, WHICH CAUSED MISCARRIAGE, AND THIS REQUIRED RETURN PICKUPS. EQUIPMENT FAILURE DELAYS ONE CREW ANOTHER CREW DID NOT ADVANCE THEIR ROUTE AS INSTRUCTED. THAT WAS ISSUES WAS ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY. WITHOUT SUPPORT, BOTH CREWS WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT THERE PAST 530, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE LATER DAYS. THE TWO CREWS THAT FINISHED ON TIME ASSIST THE TWO ROUTES. THEY WAS RIGHT UP UNDER EACH OTHER, SO ONCE THEY COMPLETED THEY WENT OVER THERE AND ASSIST. I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH IT, GO TO THE NEXT. SO THAT'S 26. I'M TRYING TO. GO TO THAT WILL COME BACK. OKAY. SO WITH THE EFFICIENCY GAIN, WE CAN NOW ADD ANOTHER DAY FOR BULK AMNESTY AND THE ROLL OFF WITHOUT HAVING TO SUSPEND ANY SERVICES AS WE MOVE FORWARD, SERVICE PERFORMANCE AND COMPLETION TIMES, WE WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE, CREATING EVEN GREATER LONG TERM SAVINGS FOR THE CITY.

I'M GOING TO. KEEP GOING AND I'M PAST ALL THAT. OKAY. SO. OKAY, THE EARLY RESULTS SHOWED THAT THIS REROUTE IS STRENGTHENING OUR OPERATION. WE ARE USING FEWER TRUCKS, LOWERING COSTS AND RESTORING FULL SERVICES. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, RESIDENTS WILL EXPERIENCE MORE CONSISTENT SERVICE, FASTER COMPLETION TIMES, AND CONTINUED SAVINGS.

THIS IS A SUSTAINABLE PATH FORWARD FOR OUR DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE CITY. OKAY, IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. I'M READY FOR THE QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO SEE IT. ARE YOU FINISHED? HI. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. ARE YOU FINISHED WITH THE PRESENTATION? YOU SAID YES, BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL COULDN'T. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE UPDATE YOU MENTIONED ON THAT FIRST SLIDE THAT THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN ABOUT 25 UNITS. CORRECT. AND HOW ARE YOU DEFINING UNITS? IS THAT SO IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SPREAD RIGHT NOW THAT'S UP THERE THE EXCEL. SO TO YOUR RIGHT ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT, YOU SEE 17, 18, 19. EIGHT AND THEN IT CALCULATES TO THE 62 SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SAYING PER EACH WEEK IS HOW MANY UNITS WE USE

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THAT WEEK FOR THE MONTH. SO THE FIRST WEEK, LET'S SAY THE FIRST WEEK OF THE SEVENTH THROUGH THE 11TH, WE ONLY USE 17 UNITS. THE START OF THE HOLIDAY. BUT BUT WHAT HOW ARE YOU DEFINING UNIT.

WHAT IS THAT. UNITS ARE THE TRUCKS THAT'S USED THE TRUCKS MONTHLY. YES. GOT IT. GO DOWN TO 25 I THINK. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WE SAW A REDUCTION IN UNITS. I MEAN PART OF THAT HOLIDAY. BUT ALSO YOU MENTIONED ONE OF THE BIGGEST GAPS WAS THE COMMUNICATION GAPS. I KNOW I NOTICED IN MY OWN COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THESE REALLY THE WHOLE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, WHILE PEOPLE WERE STILL UNDERSTANDING WHAT DATES AND TIMES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT THEIR TRASH PICKUP DAYS HAVE MOVED TO, I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD COLLECT A LOT LESS IN THAT FIRST MONTH. SO MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU SEEN AN INCREASE OVER TIME, AND HOW ARE WE PLANNING FOR THAT? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED IS TO BE ABLE TO REPURPOSE RESOURCES TO THE ROLL OFFS AND BULK AMNESTY, BUT HOW DOES THE INCREASE NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THEIR NEW DATES, IMPACT THAT? SO SINCE EVERYBODY IS ACQUAINTED WITH THEIR NEW SERVICE DAY NOW TONNAGE HAS WENT UP, BUT IT AIN'T WENT UP TREMENDOUSLY. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S WHY I GOT ALL THIS. THIS IS OUR TONNAGE THAT YOU SEE OUR TONNAGE STAYING PRETTY MUCH AROUND 13 TONS EVERY WEEK. AND EACH AREA, EACH WARD, HOW WE GOT IT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT 25 COMPARED TO 26, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE TONNAGE IS RIGHT BACK WHERE IT WAS LAST YEAR, LIKE 13 TONS, TEN TONS, 12 TONS. SO WE BACK THERE, SINCE EVERYBODY KNOW THAT SERVICE DAY. THE I CAN'T SAY IT'S AN INCREASE RIGHT NOW. THE ONLY TIME IT REALLY TONNAGE INCREASES IS DURING HOLIDAYS, WHEN THE KIDS RIGHT NOW IS IN THEIR SPRING BREAK OR FALL BREAK, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S WHEN I TURN TO INCREASE. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE ROUTES THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT FINISH EARLY SO THEY CAN GO ASSIST ON THE OTHER ROUTE, GO RIGHT NEXT DOOR. SO THEY HELP US OUT WITH THIS ROUTE, CHANGE IT, HELP US TO MAINTAIN WHERE WE AIN'T OUT THERE TILL 630, 730, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE TONNAGE INCREASE DIDN'T RESULT IN UNITS INCREASE OR MORE TRUCKS OUT THERE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SAME NUMBER OF TRUCKS, THE 62, CAN STILL PICK UP THE INCREASE IN TONNAGE? YES. BECAUSE WE PRETTY MUCH LEVEL OUT ALL THE HOUSES NOW, LIKE IF THIS ROUTE HAVE 37 HOUSES, THIS THIS ROUTE PROBABLY HAVE 34 TO 37 HOUSES. SO WE KIND OF LEVELED OUT EVERYTHING BEFORE THE HOUSES WASN'T LEVELED OUT. OKAY. ACROSS THE ROUTES. OKAY.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO WE DID THE ROLLOUT WITH THE NEW TRASH DAYS THAT STARTED IN SEPTEMBER. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE ROUGHLY 30 DAYS THESE 12 DAYS HERE. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAD TO MAKE A LOT OF CORRECTIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW COMMUNICATION PLAYED A BIG PART IN RESIDENTS KNOWING WHEN THEIR NEW PICKUP DAYS ARE. AND AS A RESULT, WE HAD TO GO BACK OUT AND PICK UP THOSE MISSED. SO WHEN WE WE TALK ABOUT FUEL USAGE OR WE'RE NOT USING AS MUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF REALLY WE CAN GAUGE IT BASED ON THIS BECAUSE WE BURNED A LOT OF EXTRA FUEL. JUST GOING BACK TO PICK UP CORRECT TRASH PICKUPS. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 30, 40 DAYS. IS THAT ENOUGH TO REALLY MAKE AN ASSESSMENT FROM WHERE WE WERE? BECAUSE ONLY, I MEAN, REALLY, IF I'M JUST LOOKING AT, I CAN LOOK AT THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER FOR 2026 AND SEPTEMBER FOR 2025, OR JUST PICK A MONTH IN SEPTEMBER, I MEAN, IN 2025 THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE IF THE NEW ROUTE, I UNDERSTAND IT, IT BALANCED IT OUT. SO I GET THAT DOWN. YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF BALANCED WITH THE TIME THAT EVERYBODY IS IS WORKING. THEY'RE WORKING ALL AT THE SAME TIME AND NOT WORKING LATE MORE SO THAN OTHERS. SO I CAN SEE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS WITH THE ROUTES WHERE WE'RE DOING THE PICKUPS, BECAUSE I THINK NOW WE'RE KIND OF MOVING IN ONE AREA AND WE'RE DOING A SWEEP AS OPPOSED TO HERE, HERE, HERE THAT WE WERE BEFORE. IS THIS REALLY ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO TRULY GAUGE IF THIS IS REALLY GOING TO TAKE EFFECT? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT BECAUSE WE HAD SO MUCH MISSED, BECAUSE RESIDENTS DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THEIR DATE WAS AND YOU GUYS HAD TO COME BACK OUT, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE BURNED MORE FUEL, AS A MATTER OF FACT, JUST GOING BACK OUT TO PICK UP. BUT

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NOW, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE NOTICED AS I WALK IN THE MORNING, I DO STILL SEE SOME CANS BECAUSE OUR PICKUP DAY CHANGED FROM NOW IT'S MONDAY AS OPPOSED TO TUESDAY. AND I THINK A GOOD THING I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT LIKE THEY DID DOOR KNOCKERS, UTILITY BILLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IT'D BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER, I THINK, JUST MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S STILL SOME PEOPLE THAT THAT I DON'T SEE CANS OUT ON OUR TRASH DAY SIGNS. IF YOU PUT A SIGN ON THE CORNER OF ROCKWOOD AND CHERRY BLOSSOM, EVERYBODY RIDES BY IT AND THEY SEE IT AND THEY'LL KNOW I DO. TRASH DAY HAS CHANGED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL AWARE, BECAUSE WHEN THIS THING FIRST ROLLED OUT, I THINK A LOT OF US ON COUNCIL GOT A TON OF PHONE CALLS ABOUT OUR TRASH DATE WAS MISSED WHEN THEY CALLED TO LIKE, WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO COME BACK AND PICK THE TRASH UP? I KNOW SOME WERE SAYING THAT THERE WAS A FINE.

IT WAS GOING TO BE ASSESSED TO GO BACK OUT, BUT I THINK WE KIND OF WE TOOK CARE OF THAT.

BUT JUST SO THAT THE RESIDENTS DO KNOW WITH THIS AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRULY ENOUGH TIME THAT WE CAN KIND OF GAUGE TO REALLY SEE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE.

OTHER THAN WE'VE BALANCED OUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORKLOAD FOR EVERYONE. SO I THINK I JUST KIND OF TALKED UP SORT OF WHAT IT WAS I WAS TRYING TO SAY, BUT THAT'S BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE 30 DAYS THAT WE HAVE IS REALLY GOING TO BE A TRUE IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITMUS TEST IN US FOR US TO TRY AND FIGURE THIS OUT. I THINK WE NEED TO STRETCH OUT MORE AND THEN LOOK AT MORE DATA. BUT BUT I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION HERE AND THEN TO ALSO BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE TRASH WASN'T PICKED UP. SO I DO THANK YOU FOR THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT GOT GOT BACK OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PICK UP THOSE ROUTES. I THINK THAT'S IT. I YIELD, MADAM MAYOR. SO I TELL YOU ONE MORE THING. I'M SORRY. SO IF YOU CAN REPORT BACK, MAYBE IF WE DID LIKE A 60 OR 90 DAY FORECAST AND WE CAN REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, THE MEAT AND POTATOES AND SEE IF THIS REALLY WORKS FOR US. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, I YIELD. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS. YES. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. BUT I HAVE MY NOTES HERE. AND THIS IS THIS IS OPERATION IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS GOOD. BUT WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR MADAM ACTING CITY ATTORNEY, THE ROUTE CHANGES IN THE SAVINGS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPECTING TONIGHT. LIKE BECAUSE WAS IT EVEN WORTH IT TO CHANGE THE ROUTES? AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU SAID WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT 30 DAYS. AND TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS SAID, WHICH WAS AN EXCELLENT POINT. WHAT DID OCTOBER 2025 LAST YEAR LOOK LIKE VERSUS OCTOBER 2026 THIS YEAR? AND THEN WITH HAVING TO GO BACK OUT AND PICK UP SPARINGLY BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER SIDE TO WARD D ON BEN HILL ROAD, AND IT'S OVER THERE OFF CAMP CREEK. BEN HILL ROAD EXTENDS. I RECEIVED NUMEROUS TELEPHONE CALLS AT THE TRASH OR IT WAS NOT PICKED UP, BUT THAT IS WHAT I WAS EXPECTING TONIGHT. THE ROUTE CHANGES AND THE SAVINGS. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE LISTED HERE ON MY NOTES AND THAT IS WHAT I EXPECTED THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION. HOW MUCH DID IT COST THE CITY TO CHANGE THESE ROUTES VERSUS KEEPING THE ROUTES THE SAME? LIKE THAT IS WHAT I AM WANTING TO KNOW NOW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COST ANALYSIS. WHAT WE PAID. LET'S SAY WE CHANGED THE ROUTES WHEN IN SEPTEMBER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SEPTEMBER 2025 DATA VERSUS THE SEPTEMBER 2026 DATA. AND THEN ANOTHER POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. WE HAD A OLDER RESIDENT CALL. SOMETIMES WE JUST CAN'T TELL OLDER RESIDENTS TO GO ONLINE. WE HAVE TO GET ALL OF THE COMMUNICATION OUT THERE AS WE CAN, JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS SAID. WITH THE THE SIGN CAMPAIGN LETTING PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THESE ROUTE CHANGES, BECAUSE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT, WHEN THEY RETIRED, THEY WEREN'T USING THE COMPUTER. AND NOW WE'RE TELLING EVERYONE, SCAN THIS QR CODE, TEXT THIS AND YOU'LL BE REGISTERED. LIKE WE HAVE TO HIT EVERY RESIDENT FROM ALL ANGLES. BUT THAT IS WHAT I WAS EXPECTING TONIGHT. THE ROUTE CHANGES IN THE COST SAVINGS. THANK YOU. CAN I SPEAK ON THAT, COUNCILMAN ATKINS? OH, YEAH. THANK YOU. MR. WHITEHEAD WAS GOING TO RESPOND. I THINK HE WAS GOING TO RESPOND. I'M NOT, AS FAR AS COST. I DON'T THINK WE SPENT ANYTHING ON THIS ROUTE CHANGE BESIDES PAPER AND TRYING TO PUT OUT FLIERS WHEN IT'S COMING TO TRYING TO SPEND

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ANY FUNDINGS ON THIS. WE PRETTY MUCH SET UP WITH THE DIRECTIONS OF THE GIS PERSONNEL WE HAD HERE BEFORE, AND FROM THERE WE WENT FROM THERE. SO FAR AS SPENDING ANY MONEY TO MAKE THIS ROUTE CHANGES. THERE WAS THERE WASN'T ANY MONEY SPENT ON SOLID WASTE HAVE. ONLY THING IT WAS WAS JUST CHANGING THE ROUTE DATES AND IF IT'S ANYTHING THAT WAS SPENT, IT WAS PROBABLY SPENT ON THE PAPER. MAPS, PUTTING OUT THE MAPS INTO THE DEPARTMENT, OUR DEPARTMENTS.

AND TO BE HONEST, SOME OF THAT MONEY CAME OUT OF MY POCKET BECAUSE OF THE FACT I KNEW WE WAS IN A DEFICIT. SO IT WAS TO A POINT FOR US TO TRY TO MAKE THIS SOMEWHAT. EFFICIENT, TO GO OUT AND START. THAT CAME OUT OF MY POCKET. AND THEN THE OTHER JUST PAPER THAT WE USED, AND I WON'T EVEN SAY MY POCKET, IT WAS THE HELP OF MYSELF AND MY TEAM THAT WE ALL PUT MONEY UP TO MAKE THIS WORK OR TRY TO COMMUNICATE TO THE CITY, TO THE PEOPLE WHERE WE HAD TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND ONLY FIVE PEOPLE SHOWED UP. SO WE DID WHAT WE CAN WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAD.

OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO BE. HE ASKED THE QUESTION, OKAY, I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THE TIME. WE'RE WAY PAST 15 MINUTES ON THIS PRESENTATION, BUT YOU STILL HAVE OPTIONS AND WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO SPEAK. RIGHT NOW WE ARE ON COUNCILMAN ATKINS, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR ROUND TWO. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, MR. WHITEHEAD, FOR THIS PRESENTATION. AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PULLING THIS DATA TOGETHER, TO HAVE ANALYTICS, TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE ANALYTICS AND GATHERING DATA. AND SO LOOKING AT THIS SLIDE HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE I SEE A NUMBER FOUR AT THE TOP. IS THIS YOUR SLIDE FOUR OF THE DECK. IS THIS THIS THIS IS YOUR SEPTEMBER 2025 DATA FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE THAT SHOWS, I GUESS NUMBER FIVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE 2020 6TH SEPTEMBER DATA HERE AND OKAY.

AND I DID SEE THAT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS, YOU HAD TO USE 25 FEWER UNITS FOR 26 VERSUS 25. THAT'S CORRECT. AND YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE FUEL. I WROTE DOWN 1121. I THINK THAT WAS FOR 26. CAN YOU GO OVER THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN, PLEASE? SO IN 2025, I THINK WE USED 20 GALLONS MORE VERSUS 2026. SO IT WAS 11 1141 IN 2025. BUT IN 2026 IT WAS 1120. DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE FIRST WEEK, SECOND WEEK OF THE REROUTE, WE HAD TO CONSTANTLY GO BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT THAT GARBAGE SITTING OUT LIKE THAT. RIGHT? SO WE WENT BACK. IF WE DIDN'T GO BACK THAT MONDAY, WE WENT BACK THAT NEXT TUESDAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE WEEK. SO WE KEPT GOING BACK. SO GARBAGE WON'T SIT OUT LIKE THAT. AND AS WE WAS GOING BACK, WE JUST PUT OUT FLIERS FOR THEM DAYS. SO TO COUNCILMEMBER CUMMINGS POINT, IF WE LOOKED AT THIS AND A FEW OTHER MONTHS AHEAD, THEN WE MAY EVEN REALIZE GREATER SAVINGS ON FUEL BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE CONSTANT BACK AND FORTH. CORRECT. OKAY. SO YES, THAT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU CAME BACK TO US AT SOME INTERVAL, HOWEVER MANY, YOU KNOW, DAYS, 60, 90 QUARTERLY OR WHATEVER. OKAY. TO JUST SHOW US, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE BECAUSE FUEL COSTS, FUEL COSTS ARE RISING. YES. SO THERE IS A MONETARY AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND SO ANY OF THOSE SAVINGS AND THE EFFICIENCIES I THINK TO HEAR THOSE THINGS WOULD BE GREAT. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PULLING THIS TOGETHER. I YIELD. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS. YES. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AGAIN IS WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE US, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COST SAVINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MONEY. I MEAN, I, I LIKE THIS PRESENTATION, BUT IF WE BLOW THIS UP, IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE TRUCK NUMBER AND THE FUEL THAT WAS USED. I DON'T SEE A DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THE COST SAVINGS.

AND THE OTHER THING IS TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS, FUEL COSTS HAVE GONE UP.

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SO LET'S LOOK AT SEPTEMBER. LET'S LOOK AT 2025 FUEL COSTS VERSUS 2026 FUEL COSTS. AND I THINK HAVING THOSE NUMBERS THAT REAL LIVE, RAW DATA WILL HELP US HAVE A BETTER ASSESSMENT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, HAPPENING AS FAR AS IT BEING COST SAVINGS. BUT I MEAN, GREAT PRESENTATION, BUT THE REALITY IS WHERE'S THE MONEY? NOT WHERE'S THE MONEY? I KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS, BUT VERSUS 2025 VERSUS 2026, IT WOULD BE BEST THAT WE SEE THAT NUMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF THINGS. I MEAN, ONE, I AGREE WITH MY COUNCIL MATE HERE AROUND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEE THAT THE MISSED PICKUPS, I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD RESULT IN HIGHER COSTS, BECAUSE IF WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH AN AREA ONE TIME AND WE WERE CALLED BACK OUT TO THAT AREA MULTIPLE TIMES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MAY CALL ON THIS DAY, SOMEONE MAY CALL ON A DIFFERENT DAY, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING BACK OUT TO GET THAT TO COLLECT THE TRASH. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE MISS PICKUPS FIT INTO THIS FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING TO HEAR THAT YOU CAME OUT OF YOUR POCKET, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS YOU SHOULD BE COMING OUT OF YOUR POCKET. I MEAN, THESE THINGS SHOULD BE BUDGETED FOR.

THEY SHOULD BE PLANNED FOR. HOW OFTEN ARE YOU MEETING WITH THE FINANCE TEAM TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND IF THERE IS A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY WHERE THAT MONEY COULD COME FROM. AND THEN EVEN ON THESE, THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PUT TOGETHER, I MEAN, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MEET WITH THE FINANCE TEAM TO KIND OF GET A TRUE PICTURE OF THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, WHAT DID WE SPEND? AND THEN THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER FOR THIS AFTER THE ROUTE CHANGE, WHAT DID WE SPEND? AND THEN ALSO HAVING THOSE MISSED PICKUPS IN THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET A TRUE PICTURE OF WHAT IS TAKING PLACE, BECAUSE YOUR NEXT PRESENTATION IS GOING TO GO BACK TO POTENTIALLY INCREASING THE RATE. SO BEFORE WE CAN GET TO MAKING A DECISION ON THAT, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THE NUMBERS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATE TODAY. HOW DID THIS CHANGE IMPACT THE CURRENT STATE.

SO WE KNOW HOW TO MAKE DECISIONS ON ANYTHING ELSE MOVING FORWARD, SO TO SPEAK. ON THE MISS PICKUPS REAL QUICK, WE DO HAVE DATA FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING WE KEEP UP WITH AS THE DRIVERS CALL IN, AND THEY ALSO TAKE PICTURES OF HOMES THAT DON'T HAVE CANS OUT WHERE OUR ISSUE COMING IN THAT, AND I'M SORRY, DON'T TAKE THIS OFFENSIVE. BUT MOST OF THE TIME THAT WE DO HAVE MISSED PICKUPS, THEY'LL CALL THE COUNCIL PERSON AND THE COUNCIL PERSON CALLED THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH MAKES US GO BACK TO GET THIS. BUT IF ANYBODY WAS TO CHECK, OUR DRIVERS DO CALL IN AND WE DO HAVE PICTURES WITH THE HOMES, DON'T HAVE THE CAN OUT. IF THE TRUCK GO BY AND YOU HAVE ONE CAN SITTING OUT THERE, YOU CAN TELL WE DID THAT WHOLE BLOCK.

NOW I CAN UNDERSTAND THE BACK DOOR SERVICE. SOME OF THE BACK DOOR SERVICE WE HAVE MISSED AND WE HAVE GONE BACK TO THEM. BUT RESIDENTS WHO ARE ABLE TO BRING THEM CANS OUT, THEY DON'T. AND THEN WHEN WE DON'T GET THEM, THEY CALL THEM IN. I HAVE SEVERAL DATA ALL THE WAY FROM LAST YEAR SHOWING THAT WE GET ALL THESE CALLS. DRIVERS CALL IT IN CAN, I CANNOT, I CANNOT OUT. BUT THE MINUTE I GET AN EMAIL FROM COUNCIL TO THE CITY MANAGER, WE HAVE TO GO BACK OUT THERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST YOU GUYS OR WE DON'T GO AGAINST THE CITIZENS. A LOT OF TIMES THE CITIZENS CALL. WE'RE EXPLAINING THEM. IF WE COME BACK, IT'S A $35 CHARGE TO COME BACK BECAUSE THAT'S A COST AND WE TRY TO ELIMINATE THAT. BUT LATELY, SINCE THE ROUTE CHANGED, I CAN TELL YOU PRETTY MUCH THE COUNT WENT DOWN. IT WENT UP TO HOW IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. IT WENT DOWN BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR CANS OUT ON TIME. BUT THAT'S JUST TO SHOW YOU OUR DATA TO. AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS. I THINK WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THIS WINDOW OF GRACE PERIOD AFTER THE ROUTE CHANGES, BECAUSE I KNOW I JUST LOOK AROUND MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERYBODY STILL DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS BEEN A ROUTE CHANGE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN TRASH CANS STILL GOING OUT ON THURSDAY, WHEN OUR PICKUP DAY HAS BEEN MOVED TO MONDAY. SO EVERYONE ISN'T. THEY SHOULD BE IN A KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE KNOW FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND WE KNOW THAT THERE WERE COMMUNICATION GAPS. BUT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD KIND OF CONSIDER THIS GRACE PERIOD OF IF SOMEONE DOES CALL BACK OUT THERE, THEY'RE NOT GETTING A $35 CHARGE. BECAUSE WE ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT WE DIDN'T

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COMMUNICATE THIS AS NOT CHARGING THEM. NOW. OKAY, I'M JUST SAYING BEFORE, RIGHT, WE WERE AND I DON'T THINK THERE WERE MISSED PICKUPS BEFORE. AT LEAST I DIDN'T GET THOSE CALLS BEFORE. I THINK RIGHT NOW THE MISSED PICKUPS ARE DUE TO THE ROUTE CHANGE. I WHICH WILL SUBSIDE AND I AGREE. AND THEN ON THAT NOTE YOU HAVE A LOT OF THEM. I WHAT THEY SAY IS MISS PICKUP CANNOT BE RECYCLED. AND WE TAKE PICTURES OF THAT, BUT IT'S STILL CALLED. MOST PEOPLE CALL IN YOU MISS MY TRASH. YOU DID THIS AND I'M SHOWING YOU IN A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD. I CAN SHOW IT BE WE. WE DONE DID OUR PART. BUT WHEN THEY SAYING THEY REPORTING THIS TO SEECLICKFIX THEY CALL IT IN THE COUNCIL. THEY CALL IN US. AND WHEN WE GET OUT THERE, IT'S RECYCLING.

RIGHT. AND I DO THINK BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE THINK THE RECYCLING AND THE TRASH ARE GOING TO BE PICKED UP ON THE SAME DAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE WHERE NOW THERE WAS I STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW MYSELF. THE RECYCLING AND THE TRASH ARE NOT PICKED UP ON THE SAME DAY. YES THEY ARE, THEY ARE OKAY. I THINK IT'S JUST EVERY OTHER WEEK. EVERY OTHER WEEK. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. YES. THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION WHERE THAT WAS THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AROUND WHETHER RECYCLING WAS GOING TO BE PICKED UP AT THE SAME TIME.

MAYBE THAT WAS DUE TO THE HOLIDAY, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT OUT ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILWOMAN, WELL, WE'RE OUT OF TIME ON THIS ITEM. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN WILL WE BE ABLE TO SEE THE UPDATE AND A FULL REPORT. AND FOR THE NEXT ITERATION ON THIS I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CUMMINGS. WE NEED TO DO AT LEAST 60 TO 90 DAYS. I SAY GIVE US 90 DAYS. THAT WAY YOU'RE GIVING YOURSELF THREE FULL MONTHS, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. SO NOVEMBER OR THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN DECEMBER, THAT'LL BE A BETTER TIME BECAUSE IT'S GIVING US THAT MUCH PERIOD TO SHOW ALL THE NUMBERS SO WE CAN HAVE THIS COME BACK BEFORE US BY OCTOBER BY WHAT IS IT, THE FIRST WEEK IN NOVEMBER OR THE SECOND? THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN NOVEMBER, IN DECEMBER, OR WHAT IS IT? SO THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN DECEMBER. GREAT. OKAY, SO THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN DECEMBER, IF WE CAN HAVE THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. AND AND JUST BEFORE YOU GO, IS THERE A PROCESS THAT YOU SO YOU'RE 30, 60, 90 DAY PLAN WHEN YOU'RE WORKING THIS OUT AND MAKING THIS DECISION, IS THERE A PROCESS TO HOW YOU COME TOGETHER TO LIKE, COME UP WITH THIS PLAN? OR IS IT LIKE, ARE YOU DOING, IS YOUR DEPARTMENT DOING IT? OR ARE YOU WORKING LIKE TO COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL'S POINT, ARE YOU WORKING WITH FINANCE? DO YOU HAVE LIKE A TIMELINE? ARE YOU WORKING WITH COMMUNICATIONS TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO ROLL THIS OUT ON THIS DAY? WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN HIS INDEX TICKET, AND WE'LL HAVE THESE COMMUNICATIONS GOING OUT, ETC. SO WE DID HAVE SOMETHING WHERE WE DID A FULL VIDEO WITH COMMUNICATION TO PUT OUT. THAT WAS HARD. I DON'T KNOW WHY I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I MEAN, THANK YOU. BUT WE ARE I AM SPEAKING WITH COMMUNICATION FINANCE. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH FINANCE, BUT I WILL START. YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ORDER. ACTING CITY MANAGER AT SOME POINT. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE, BUT THIS IS I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS, COUNCIL HAS GOTTEN EMAILS, I'VE SEEN TRASH CANS OUT. AND I THINK THE COMMUNICATION AROUND TIMING, EXPECTATIONS AND ETC. IS, IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK OUR RESIDENTS DEFINITELY, I KNOW THAT OUR RESIDENTS DESERVE. AND SO IF WE'RE HAVING INITIATIVES LIKE THIS, I THINK THIS TYPE OF INITIATIVE SHOULD BE ACCOMPANIED WITH AN ACTUAL COMMUNICATION PLAN SO THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING OUT. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT'S GOING OUT, AND THEN WE CAN WORK FROM THERE. AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE DIGITALLY, DIGITALLY SAVVY, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO LIKE A CALL SO THEY CAN CALL IN AND HEAR A RECORDING OF WHAT IS GOING ON THAT ALSO, I'M NOT THIS IS NOT A DIRECTIVE. THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS. AND I HOPE THAT THE ACTING CITY ATTORNEY, I MEAN, MANAGER, WILL KIND OF ADD THAT AT SOME POINT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MADAM MAYOR. YES, MA'AM. HI. SO I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN. THE REASON THAT MR. WHITEHEAD'S VIDEO SHORT WAS PAUSED WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH COORDINATION WITH COMMUNICATION. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING IN THE BACKGROUND. HOWEVER, IN LIGHT OF AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO EXTEND THIS. THIS ACTUALLY GIVES US A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY AND FRAMEWORK IN WHICH TO PREPARE THAT. SO JUST WANTED

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TO JUMP IN ON THAT AND, AND SAY IT. IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING. BUT HIS COMMUNIQUE WAS MORE OF THIS IS A FINALITY VERSUS THIS IS A PILOT. AND WE DID NOT WANT TO SEND OUT MIXED SIGNALS TO THE CITIZENS UNTIL COUNCIL MADE A DECISION ON WHAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE, IF THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PERMANENT CHANGE. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BACKSTORY ON THAT. NO WORRIES, BUT IS THIS A PILOT OR IS THIS A FINAL? THIS IS THE FINAL, RIGHT? I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REROUTE ROLLOUT PERIOD ROLLOUT, BECAUSE IF WE WAS GOING TO DO A PILOT, WE HAD TO DO A PORTION OF THE CITY. I DID THE ENTIRE CITY. SO IT CAN'T BE A PILOT.

NO. IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS A PILOT? EXCUSE ME. RIGHT. THERE WAS A DIRECTIVE FROM COUNCIL, OKAY, THAT THIS WAS A PILOT AND TO COME TO COUNCIL ON TODAY, THIS DATE, TO PROVIDE THE DATA THAT SUPPORTS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ALL WILL DECIDE WHETHER TO GO FORWARD. SO. THAT THAT THERE ARE NOTES THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. AND I'M SORRY, MR. WHITEHEAD, IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT WAS IT WAS NOT A PERMANENT CHANGE UNTIL THEY SAY IT'S A PERMANENT CHANGE. I DIDN'T GET THAT. I'M SORRY. SO I'M NOT. YEAH.

COUNCILMAN ATKINS YES. I, I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS THE OPPOSITE, MISS TYLER. I THOUGHT THAT THERE WERE. I THINK IF WE WENT BACK TO THE MEETING IN THE VIDEO, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION. AND I THINK, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, I THINK WE HAD SAID THAT THE ROLLOUT WOULD BE A PART OF OPERATIONS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND ANY OF THE RATE CHANGES WE WOULD HAVE TO AS THE GOVERNING BODY. BUT THE DATES AND THE ROUTES WOULD BE A PART OF THE CITY OPERATIONS. SO I ALSO THOUGHT THAT WE MADE THE DECISION THAT IT WASN'T FOR US TO DECIDE ON THE ROUTES AND THE DAYS OF THAT, BUT IF THERE WERE GOING TO BE ANY RATE CHANGES THAT THAT WOULD COME BACK TO US. AND I THINK IF WE WENT BACK AND CHANGED THE DATES AGAIN, I THINK THAT MAY FURTHER CONFUSE THE RESIDENTS. SO I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS THE NEW ROLLOUT.

I DON'T KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT MEETING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION WAS AND WHERE WE LANDED ON IT. MADAM MAYOR. YES, MA'AM. RESPECTFULLY, PERHAPS I GOT IT. I MISUNDERSTOOD BECAUSE I, I GUESS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS DATA ASKED FOR TO SUPPORT THIS, AND I DID THINK THAT IT WAS A PILOT. I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT, BUT THERE WAS SPECIFICALLY QUESTIONS REQUESTING THE DATA, THE THE COST CHANGE, FUEL SAVINGS, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. SO I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT DID NOT LEAVE ME WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS A FINALITY, BECAUSE WE WERE ASKING FOR DATA TO SUBSTANTIATE THE CHANGE. SO YES, IF I IF I MADE THE MISTAKE, I DO. NO, NO WORRIES. IT'S JUST THAT I THINK I REMEMBER THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION AROUND IT. AND I DO THINK THAT WE ALSO WE STILL WANTED TO SEE THE DATA IN TERMS OF WHAT THE COST SAVINGS WOULD BE WITH THE ROUTE CHANGES. I YIELD. OKAY. WE HAVE COUNCILMAN ATKINS, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN FREHLEY AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. THANKS.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SECOND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS SAID. I DON'T RECALL ANY DISCUSSION OF THIS BEING A PILOT. I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER DISCUSSION AROUND DELVING THAT DEEPLY INTO OPERATIONS TO DECIDE ON DAYS AND ROUTES AND THINGS WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR COUNCIL. I ALSO AGREE THAT IF WE NOW GO BACK, THAT WOULD BE AN ABSURD DISASTER, SO I. I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN. COMING. I MEAN YEAH, COMING, COMING. SORRY, I GOT YOU. STOP. WELL, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND I THINK BASED ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS AND FREELY ARE SAYING, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DELVE INTO OPERATIONS, BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS FOR THE CITY. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW WE SAID THAT YOU WOULD JUST COME BACK WITH DATA AND THE DECEMBER WORK SESSION, AND YOU JUST KIND OF SEE IF IT WORKS. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT AND YOU FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN YOU MAKE THAT DECISION. OF COURSE, IT'S NOT OUR POSITION TO IT'S NOT OUR THAT'S NOT OUR LANE TO, TO GET INTO YOUR LANE. SO, I MEAN, I, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE BEST. BUT THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE ASKING IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT COST SAVINGS IN THAT? SO I'M, I'M, I'M FINE WITH COUNCILMEMBER FREELY AND, AND ATKINS WITH REGARDS TO THAT. WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO YOUR LANE, BUT I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST IT'S,

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IT'S KIND OF EARLY TO REALLY SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY GOT THE BANG FOR OUR BUCK. THANK YOU. I YIELD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND WE ARE

[III.3. Council Discussion and Possible Action for the Approval of Ordinance Changes Regarding Solid Waste Collection and Sanitation Services.]

ONLY ON THE TWO PRESENTATIONS. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO SPEED THIS UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

LET'S SEE THE NUMBER THREE. ARE WE READY TO GET TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSED. SO WHAT IS THE COUNCIL. WHAT'S THE ASK FOR THAT ONE. WHAT IS SO THE ASK FOR THE ORDINANCE CHANGE WAS THE FIRST ONE WE'LL GO OVER WAS WITH THE FINES OF THE CANS BEING OUT MORE THAN 24 HOURS.

WE WAS PRETTY MUCH SAYING HOW THE CANS PULLED BACK BY 7:00 THAT NIGHT. SO WE DID. WE DEFINITELY CHANGED THAT TO CANS BEING PULLED BACK AFTER 7 P.M. THE NEXT NIGHT. THAT GIVE PEOPLE TIME, THE NEIGHBORS TIME TO PULL IT BACK. ALSO, AFTER THREE WARNINGS, THEN THEY'LL GET A CITATION TO COME TO COURT AND THEY HAVE A FINE UP TO $25. THAT WAS THE FIRST ORDINANCE CHANGE. THE SECOND ORDINANCE CHANGE WAS FOR THE DUMPSTER FEES. BUT I THINK. WE PROBABLY NEED TO HOLD OFF ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S COME WITH THE RATE CHANGES. AND I NEED TO SEND THE SECOND PART OF THIS. IF YOU AIN'T GOING TO GO WITH THE JUST ONE FLAT RATE WITH THE DIFFERENT SERVICES, I HAD TO SEND THAT. SO I DON'T WANT TO REALLY DISCUSS THAT ORDINANCE CHANGE. OKAY, SO WHAT IS THE ASK? SO THE ASK WAS JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS TO PULL THE CANS BACK. 7 P.M. THE NEXT NIGHT AFTER THREE WARNINGS. THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GO TO COURT FOR THAT AND THEY CAN GET FINED UP TO $25. AND PRETTY MUCH THE PRIVATE HAULERS WHO'S WORKING IN THE CITY ILLEGALLY. AFTER WE GIVE THEM THEIR WARNING, THEY HAVE 48 HOURS. IF NOT, WE'LL TAKE THEIR CAN, PUT IT ON OUR SITE WHERE THEY HAVE TO PAY THE FINE TO TO GET THE CAN BACK, DUMPSTER BACK. THAT'S IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES. ON THE FIRST PAGE UNDER SECTION SEVEN, THE CHANGE REGARDING THE PULLBACK OF THE HERBY KIRBY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE MIGHT NEED TO LAND ON THIS. SO THIS EVEN 7 P.M. IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE I JUST RECALL WHEN I WASN'T WORKING FROM HOME AND THE NATURE OF MY JOB, IF OUR OFFICE CLOSED AT 530, I MAY WORK TILL 7:00 BEFORE I LEAVE THE OFFICE. AND THEN AFTER WORK, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE GYM OR MAYBE GO GET SOMETHING TO EAT. SO NOW I'M IN VIOLATION BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN GET I WON'T EVEN GET HOME BY 7:00. AND SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE. SO IT AIN'T 7:00 THAT NIGHT. IT'S. IF I SERVICE YOUR TEN TODAY. YOU WENT TO WORK. YOU DID WHAT YOU HAD TO DO. IT'S 7 P.M. THE NEXT NIGHT, 24 HOURS. IT SAYS, BUT WHAT I'M READING, IF I'M READING IT INCORRECTLY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. REMOVED FROM THE CURBSIDE NO LATER THAN 7 P.M.

ON THE DAY OF THE SCHEDULED SERVICE, FOLLOWING COLLECTIONS. WE HAVE THE WRONG ONE. WHAT WAS IN THE EMAIL? OH. I'M READING OKAY. OH, WE ALL WANT TO DO THIS. YEAH, WELL, THEN I'M READING THE WRONG THING. WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS I NEED SESSION. OKAY. YEAH, I GUESS I'LL GET THE MOST UPDATED ONE BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH AND EDITED AND WROTE QUESTIONS. WE CAN DO IT ANOTHER DAY. I'M FINE, THANK YOU, I YIELD. GO AHEAD. ASK YOUR QUESTION. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, COUNCILMAN MIKE ROGERS COME ON. YES, I JUST SO YES, WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS IN OUR EMAIL BECAUSE I READ THE SAME THING COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS READ AND HAD THAT QUESTION AS WELL. BUT FROM THE LAST TIME I DID HAVE A QUESTION, I TRYING TO FIND WHERE IT IS. THERE WAS THE KIRBY OR THE THE DUMPSTERS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT THERE WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONTAINER THAT ONE OF OUR APARTMENTS IN WARD D HAS, AND IT WASN'T REPRESENTED IN THE NUMBERS. I BROUGHT IT UP IN THE LAST MEETING, BUT WONDERING WAS THAT DID THAT REPRESENT ALL TYPES OF PICKUPS? SO WHAT THE DUMPSTERS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT'S THE PROBLEM. CAN YOU PUT YOUR MICROPHONE ON PLEASE, SIR? THANK YOU. THE DUMPSTER YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS THE FRONT LOADERS. THAT'S THE SAME ONE WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME. THOSE. WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DUMPSTERS, THE FOUR YARD OR SIX YARD AND EIGHT YARD, AND THAT JUST GO BY DIFFERENT YARDAGE TONNAGE AND THOSE YARDAGE. I'M SORRY, BUT IS THERE ONE WHERE THEY WOULD

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PURCHASE THEIR OWN CONTAINER THEMSELVES AND WE JUST COME IN SERVICE IT VERSUS THEY. SO IS THAT REPRESENT IS THAT REPRESENTED IN THIS ORDINANCE? NO. WHAT WHAT'S REPRESENTING IS THE SERVICE. SO WHEN WE GO SERVICE THAT DUMPSTER BECAUSE MOST OF THE APARTMENTS DO BY THEIR OWN DUMPSTERS OR THEY PURCHASE THEM FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE DON'T SELL THOSE DUMPSTERS, SO WE JUST SERVICE THEM. SO ALL WE IS ASKING IS FOR THE SERVICE.

IF WE WAS TO GO SERVICE IT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASED ON THE SIZE THAT THEY.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH MY NOTES TO SEE WHAT IT WAS. AND THEN THERE WAS THE OTHER PIECE AROUND THE FREQUENCY THAT WASN'T A PART OF THE LAST ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION CAME IN, WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM A UNIT PRICING TO A PER DUMPSTER PRICING. AND IN ONE EXAMPLE THAT I PROVIDED 18 UNIT OR $18 100 UNITS, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE DECREASING FROM $1,800 DOWN TO 100 AND SOME DOLLARS. SO WITH THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU HAD, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS TRANSPARENT, WHERE WE HAVE ONE COST ACROSS THE BOARD, WHETHER THEY GET ONE DUMPSTER, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE. AND EITHER WAY IT GOES, WE WILL MAKE OUR MONEY. BUT IF I HAVE TO GO AND SAY, OKAY, SINCE YOU ARE PAYING LESS FOR THE DUMPSTER NOW, I WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHARGE. NOT DOUBLE CHARGING, BUT CHARGING THAT 18, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE, SAY, EIGHT UNITS AT WHATEVER, $500. NOW I'M GONNA JUST CHARGE THE WHOLE COMPLEX $500 BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MUCH THE UNIT COST IS GOING TO COST. SO WAIT A SECOND. LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE WOULD APPLY THE PRICING THAT'S IN THIS ORDINANCE, THE NEW PRICING THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. BUT IF IT'S LESS THAN WHAT THE PRICING WAS IN PREVIOUS YEARS OR WHAT THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE, WE WOULD THEN GO IN AND ADD MORE MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COST THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING A HIT. WE CAN. YES, WE CAN, BUT I WOULD PREFER THE TRANSPARENCY WHERE, SAY, I GOT 18, 18 UNITS AND THAT GOING TO BRING IN $1,800. BUT IF I'M CHARGING 150 EVERY SERVICE SO THEY CAN DO IT ONCE, TWICE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT IN THAT. WHERE THEY CHARGING US OVER HERE WHEN WE PAY THIS OVER HERE. SO WE THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING PROVIDING FOR THE SERVICE. SO IF WE HAVE TO CHARGE THEM THE $18, THAT UNIT, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN THIS ORDINANCE.

IF YOU HAVE ONE DUMPSTER, WE'RE GOING TO BE LESS. WE HAVE TO GO UP CHARGE ON IT. SO WE THIS IS WHERE THE FINANCIALS COME INTO PLAY. LIKE WE DEFINITELY NEED TO SEE HOW MUCH ARE WE CHARGING COMMERCIALLY TODAY BASED ON THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY. AND THEN WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED CHARGE THAT WOULD COME FROM THESE CHANGES? BECAUSE THE CALCULATIONS THAT I'VE DONE, IT'S IT'S DRASTICALLY REDUCING. AND MY FEAR IS THAT IF WE DON'T CATCH THIS, THEN THE NEXT PLACE THE COST GOES TO IS RESIDENTS, HOMEOWNERS IN THE CITY AS WELL. SO WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PRICE. I DO HAVE A BREAKDOWN THAT I'LL SEND Y'ALL ALSO ON. FIRST, THE TRANSPARENCY OF JUST ONE, THE CONSISTENT RATE, ONE WITH THE THE SERVICE. AND THEN I HAVE IT WHERE IF WE GIVE US TO GO UP 1920, 21, I DO HAVE EVERYTHING BROKE DOWN. IT'S JUST TONIGHT. NO, THAT'S FINE. I WASN'T READY FOR THAT. YEAH. BUT I DO HAVE IT HERE WITH ME. BUT I PREFER TO SEND IT TO Y'ALL SO Y'ALL BE ABLE TO LOOK OVER IT AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT FROM THERE. AND I KIND OF WANT IT TO BE LIKE DETAIL BASED ON ALL OF THE LOCATIONS AND JUST SEE A COMPARISON BETWEEN THOSE. AND THAT WAY WE WOULD KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE TO SAY, IF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MINIMUM, IF THE MINIMUM ISN'T MET, THEN IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES HERE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING A LOSS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. IT IS BROKE DOWN. SO ONCE I SEND IT TO Y'ALL, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND. YOU'LL SEE WHY. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILWOMAN ROGERS. ALL RIGHT. AND SINCE THIS I MEAN, I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT I AM REQUESTING. MR. INTERIM SANITATION AND ACTING CITY MANAGER. I WANT TO FINANCIAL IMPACT ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE THE CURRENT SANITATION REVENUE BY THE CUSTOMER CLASS, BECAUSE I THINK BASED UPON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CALDWELL STATED, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PAYING. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS LAST TIME, I THINK WE SAID $18,000. I MEAN, SHE EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T LOSING, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH CUSTOMER IS PAYING THEIR

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FAIR SHARE. SO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE THE CURRENT REVENUE BY CUSTOMER CLASS AND THE MODEL REVENUE UNDER THE PROPOSED RATES. OKAY. AND I'M GOING TO NEED A COMPLETE RATE SCHEDULE BASED UPON THE CONTAINER SIZE AND THE COLLECTION FREQUENCY. I THINK THAT WOULD BETTER HELP US. AS WE MAKE THIS DECISION. AS FAR AS SANITATION IS CONCERNED.

OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY ALSO NEED AN IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD. THE SUFFICIENT TIME FOR BILLING SYSTEM CHANGES, THE VENDOR REGISTRATION, CUSTOMER NOTIFICATION, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. BUT I CAN PUT THAT IN AN EMAIL TO YOU. AND. THE ACTING CITY MANAGER. BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT WE NEED. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE QUITE A FEW DEPARTMENTS. YOU HAVE SOLID WASTE, YOU HAVE CUSTOMER CARE, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT, LIKE, ARE YOU ALL SITTING DOWN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY, OR IS IT YOU'RE PROVIDING AND WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY? LIKE WE ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND CUSTOMER CARE IN THIS CONVERSATION. OKAY, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT EVERYONE GET TOGETHER, NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO IS JUST A SUGGESTION THAT EVERYONE GETS WRITTEN INPUT OR HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE FOR SOLID WASTE, CUSTOMER CARE, FINANCE, CODE ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE THEY'RE A PART OF THIS TOO, RIGHT? YES. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, REGARDING IMPLEMENTATION, I'M ALSO NOT SOLD ON THE 7 P.M. I'M JUST NOT OKAY. THE FOLLOWING DAY MAYBE. IS IT THE FOLLOWING? NO, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THE FOLLOWING. YEAH.

SEVEN FOLLOWING DAY, 7 P.M. MAY OR MAY NOT WORK, BUT I MEAN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON AND THEN HOW MANY TIMES, HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES DO I HAVE? YOU SAID IT'S THREE. THREE. YES.

OKAY. I MEAN, THAT MAY BE REASONABLE, BUT CODE ENFORCEMENT ALSO NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED. CAN THIS BE IMPLEMENTED? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. MR. WHITEHEAD, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THIS IS REGARDING SECTION 7-2011. AND THIS MAY BE STILL AN OUTDATED VERSION, BUT I THINK THE CONVERSATION IS PROBABLY WORTH HAVING. IT'S ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SOLID WASTE COLLECTION. AND I SEE HERE BECAUSE I HEARD A RESIDENT'S COMPLAINT ABOUT THIS. THEY HAD A ROLL OFF CONTAINER THEIR HOME, AND I THINK THE CITY MAY HAVE MOVED IT OR SOMETHING. IF I CAN'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS. I THINK IT WAS LIKE LAST WEEK AND THE CITY MAY HAVE REMOVED IT AND THEY OKAY, NO, WE WON'T, WE WON'T. WE ALWAYS TELL THE VENDORS THAT THEY HAVE 48 HOURS TO REMOVE THEM, OR WE DON'T HAVE TO FIND THEM. AND MOST OF THE TIME THE VENDORS MOVE THEIR CANS. OKAY, SO MY QUESTION IS THIS HERE AND AGAIN, THIS MAY NOT BE THE LATEST VERSION AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY. IT'S IT TALKS. I SAID THIS MAY BE A QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY. THIS SECTION TALKS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL VENDORS BEING REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO ARE THEY GOING TO GO THROUGH A BID PROCESS? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE IF I AM HOMEOWNER A AND I AM LOOKING FOR A DUMPSTER BECAUSE I NEED TO HAVE SOME STUFF HAULED OFF AND I'M JUST GOING THROUGH GOOGLE AND I CALL SOMEBODY RUNNING A SPECIAL $45 FOR WHATEVER SIZE IT IS. BUT IF I HAVE TO USE THE ONE FROM THE CITY, THAT SIZE MAY COST $150, AND THAT'S NOW PAYING THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT WHEN I COULD HAVE GOTTEN SOME FOR LESS. SO HOW HOW DO THE VENDORS GET APPROVED? AND THOSE PRICING BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN INFRINGEMENT UPON FREE ENTERPRISE. SO IT'S IT'S NOT US. THE CITY IS BEING THE US HIRING THE VENDOR, RIGHT? WHICH IS WHAT THE RFP AND THE COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS DOES, RIGHT? THIS IS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL HIRING GOING GET A DUMPSTER OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR RENOVATIONS OR WHATEVER. THEY NEED A DUMPSTER FOR A COMMERCIAL ROLL OFF. AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO BUSINESS IN OUR CITY, YOU NEED TO REGISTER. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IF IT WAS A RESTAURANT OR IF IT WERE AN ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT. WE NEED TO KNOW YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS SO WE'RE NOT REGULATING PRICES. WE'RE NOT ENSURING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB. WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF THERE IS SOME

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DAMAGE TO OUR ROAD, IF THERE IS SOME DAMAGE TO ANY OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, MAYBE THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE STREET AND THEY HIT A LIGHT. WE WANT TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO THAT WE CAN, BUT IT'S NOT FOR THE ACTUAL SERVICE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING TO THE PRIVATE ENTITY. RIGHT. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS BECAUSE SECTION G, AND AGAIN, THIS MAY BE OUTDATED. SECTION G READS ANY RESIDENT OR PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE CITY WHO REQUIRES A ROLL OFF CONTAINER FOR DISPOSAL OF DEBRIS, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, CLEANOUTS, LANDSCAPING, WASTE OR ANY OTHER SOLID WASTE SHALL OBTAIN SUCH SERVICE ONLY THROUGH VENDORS REGISTERED. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT VENDORS THAT VENDOR HAS TO ALREADY BE REGISTERED. THAT'S CORRECT. IT SOUNDS LIKE I CAN'T CALL A, B, C ROLL OFF COMPANY AND SAY YOU'RE THE LEAST EXPENSIVE, AND THEN TELL THEM TO CALL THE CITY TO REGISTER. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COMPANY HAS TO ALREADY BE REGISTERED. AND SO WHAT IF THEY COST MORE THAN ANOTHER COMPANY? THEN WE'RE WE'RE FORCING OUR RESIDENTS TO PAY MORE FOR THAT SAME SERVICE. SO WITH THIS, THIS ALL WITH THIS ALREADY WAS AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT? SO WE DIDN'T TOUCH THAT PART. SO MOST VENDORS THAT'S COMING IN JUST LIKE THE ROLL OFF CAN THAT'S SITTING OVER THERE AT THE COURTHOUSE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF US HAVING SERVICE GOING OUTSIDE THE CITY, THE CITY WANTED THE REVENUE TO COME INSIDE IF WE CAN. SO IF WE CAN'T PROVIDE THAT, WE ASK THEM THAT THEY GO THROUGH ONE OF THE FOUR VENDORS THAT ARE REGISTERED WHO PAY TO RUN IN THE CITY OF EASTPOINTE. THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE SERVICE TO OPERATE IN EASTPOINTE. I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE. THE ISSUE IS THAT IF THEIR CHARGE FOR WHATEVER SIZE CONTAINER THAT IS IS MORE THAN I CAN AFFORD TO PAY, THEN ARE WE PUTTING OUR PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS IN HARDSHIP BECAUSE I. I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE SAME CAN FOR $100 LESS. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW THEN DOES THE COMPANY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET SERVICE FROM REGISTERED WITH THE CITY. SO MY QUESTION WAS, ARE WE GOING THROUGH A BID PROCESS FOR THEM TO GET REGISTERED, OR ARE THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE DOING BUSINESS? ARE THEY OFFERING A SPECIAL RATE FOR EASTPOINTE RESIDENTS? ARE THEY MATCHING PRICES? I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE MAY BE CAUSING HARDSHIP FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IF THEIR RATES. BECAUSE IF I AM REGISTERED AND YOUR COMPANY IS NOT, I CAN SAY, WELL, I CAN CHARGE MORE. AND GUESS WHAT? YOU GOTTA USE ME BECAUSE I'M REGISTERED WITH THE CITY AND THIS GUY ISN'T. SO I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE HARDSHIP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, I'M JUST SORRY. I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT. AND HE'S GOING TO RESPOND. I JUST WANT TO BE MINDFUL. WE'RE PAST THE TIME ON THIS PARTICULAR. SO BUT YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT. I'LL BE QUICK WITH IT. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BRING THE THE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS ALL BACK TO EASTPOINTE SO WE CAN GENERATE THE REVENUE. THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE, PRETTY MUCH. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET EASTPOINTE RESIDENTS BETTER RATES, COMPETITIVE RATES WHERE THEY CAN NOT BE OVERCHARGED OR WHATEVER. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD UP RIGHT NOW WITH US TRYING TO BUILD OUR COMMERCIAL DEPARTMENT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT NOW. THAT'S LIKE DOWN THE LINE. SO BUT I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHEN THEY REGISTER, IT'S AN EASY PROCESS. THEY CALL US, WE SEND OUT A REGISTRATION FORM, WE SEND IT TO CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND AS THEY CHARGE WHATEVER THEY CHARGE THE CUSTOMER, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY US THAT 20% TO BE WORKING AT THAT CUSTOMER'S HOUSE. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO THAT WAS REALLY THE QUESTION. SO IF I FOUND A COMPANY THAT I REALLY WANTED TO USE, COULD I JUST HAVE THEM TO REGISTER WITH THE CITY SO THAT I COULD USE THAT? YOU CAN WRITE IT BASED ON THIS RIGHT HERE. IT DOESN'T APPEAR. SO THEN I MIGHT HAVE TO PAY MORE. AND I WAS TELLING MR. WHITEHEAD THAT NOW WE'RE CREATING HARDSHIP FOR OUR RESIDENTS IF THEY'RE FORCED TO USE, BECAUSE THIS IS A SERVICE THAT IS ALREADY REGISTERED WITH THE CITY. SO I THINK IT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. AS I SIT HERE WITH THAT REGISTRATION PROCESS INVOLVES. BECAUSE YOU ALSO REALIZE THAT THEY MAY BE ALSO USING OUR TRANSFER STATION. AND SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL LAYER THAT COULD BRING HARM TO THE CITY. SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL HARDSHIP TO THE CUSTOMER, WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CITY, WITH ITS RESOURCES, ITS ASSETS FOR HAVING THESE LARGE COMMERCIAL HAULERS IN THE CITY.

SURE. I JUST WANTED TO, IN READING THIS, THAT CAME IN MY MIND IS THE HARDSHIP PIECE. AND THEN ALSO AGAIN, HOW DO WE ROLL THIS OUT IF AN INVESTOR BUYS, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROPERTIES ON OUR 50 WORST RIGHT INVESTOR BUYS IT, TRIES TO FIX IT UP. THEY GO GET A DUMPSTER. THEY DON'T KNOW. RIGHT. SO HOW THEN DO WE INFORM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE GOT TO USE THIS OR GO THROUGH A PROCESS? SO THAT'S ALL I'LL YIELD. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, WE HAVE

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FIVE MINUTES ON THIS ROUND. SURE. THANK YOU. JUST TO KIND OF MENTION WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS, I NOTICED THAT THE FIRST TIME AS WELL. AND IN THE PART THAT CONCERNS ME IS THE COMMUNICATION, RIGHT. WE WE JUST SAW THAT WE HAVE GAPS IN THE COMMUNICATION PROCESS FOR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE USE WEEKLY TRASH PICKUPS. AND SO FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHERE WE WOULD BE ENFORCING $1,000 FINE IF THEY WERE TO USE A, A HAULER OUTSIDE OF OUR VENDOR LIST IS WITHOUT THE PROPER COMMUNICATION PLAN, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO SEE THAT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO RESIDENTS WOULD KNOW JUST BECAUSE IF I NEEDED A CONTAINER, I WOULD DO JUST WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS SAID. GOOGLE THE THE AND LOOK FOR THE BEST PRICE OR THE BEST COMPANY AND CALL THEM OUT. AND SO TO HAVE THE THE CAN REMOVED AND PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE. I WOULD ALSO THINK THAT THAT MIGHT PUT THE CITY AT A LITTLE IN A LITTLE BIT OF RISK AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T BELONG TO US. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S DAMAGED? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DAMAGE SOMETHING IN THAT TRANSPORTATION? WHERE DOES THAT KIND OF FALL, DOES THAT FALL ON THE CITY? DOES THAT FALL ON THE RESIDENT THAT PURCHASED IT? I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE MAYBE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING TO KIND OF TACKLE THIS, BUT I THINK IT, IT, IT OPENS UP MORE ISSUES AROUND COMMUNICATION AND PEOPLE BEING INFORMED OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION, THE IT WAS A CONTRACTOR. IT WAS CONTRACTOR VERSUS OR COMPACTOR VERSUS CONTAINER. SO THE COMPACTOR WASN'T A PART OF THIS. SO THE COMPACTOR JUST BE AT A SET PRICE BECAUSE YOU ONLY COMPACTORS WE HAVE IS PRETTY MUCH 30 OR 41 SET. AND THEY PRETTY MUCH GO ONCE A WEEK ALSO.

SO THAT'S WHY I SAY I WOULD SEND ALL THAT INFORMATION TO Y'ALL BECAUSE I HAVE THAT WROTE DOWN AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. YES. OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES ON THIS ROUND, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WITH REGARDS TO THE THE ROLL OFF DUMPSTERS, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID, IT'S AN EASY IT'S A FAIRLY EASY PROCESS TO HAVE THE WHOEVER THE DUMPSTER OWNER IS TO REGISTER THE DUMPSTER. I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS SHOULD GO BACK TO IF I'M HAVING SOME WORK THAT'S DONE AT MY HOME AND I GET A PERMIT, I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU USE A ROLL OFF DUMPSTER, YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF PERMIT. MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO WE HAVE TO GO TO PERMITTING FOR THAT TO LET THEM KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DUMPSTER, IT'LL, IT HAS TO BE FROM THIS LIST HERE. AND IF NOT, AND THERE'S A DUMPSTER THERE, CODE ENFORCEMENT, IF THEY'RE OUT PATROLLING THE AREA, IT COULD JUST BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE. IF YOU DO ROLL UP ON A, ON A CONSTRUCTION SITE, YOU ASK ABOUT THE DUMPSTER. ARE THEY A REGISTERED VENDOR OR NOT? AND IF THEY'RE NOT? WHICH I HATE IT AND IT SHOULDN'T BE A LONG, DRAWN OUT PROCESS. BUT JUST SAY YOU HAVE TO BE REGISTERED BEFORE YOU CAN USE THIS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A STOP WORK ORDER, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE AND IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU STOP THEM JUST HAVING TO GO AND FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT HARD. IT'S JUST TO FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, GET INPUT, GET INPUT INTO THE SYSTEM, AND THEY GO FROM THERE. CORRECT. I'D HATE FOR THEM TO ROLL UP ON A WORK ON A JOB SITE, AND THEN IT'S TAKING TWO, THREE WEEKS TO GET A PERMIT FOR A DUMPSTER. SO, I MEAN, IF IT'S AS EASY AS YOU SAY IT IS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW MOVING PARTS TO IT. BUT JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS SAID, JUST IF SOMEONE DOES HAVE A CHEAPER DUMPSTER THAT'S CHEAPER THAN WHAT'S ON OUR VENDOR LIST, THEN I THINK, I MEAN, IF WE AREN'T EXCLUDING AND IT'S LIKE A SECRET CLUB TO GET INTO WHATEVER, IF ANYBODY CAN GET IN THERE, THEN I THINK THAT'S OKAY. AND THAT WOULD WOULD THAT WOULDN'T LIKE BELABOR THIS PROCESS. IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO HAVE SOMEBODY OUT WITH A VENDOR WITH A ROLL OFF DUMPSTER. YEAH, WE DO THE SAME. Y'ALL CAN REGISTER, RIGHT? BECAUSE I, AND BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE THING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNICATION PIECE. I MEAN, BUT IF I, IF I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. AND IF YOU COME UP AND YOU SAY, THEN THAT'S FINE. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. I'LL DO WHAT I NEED TO DO, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE A LONG, DRAWN OUT PROCESS. OKAY, I YIELD. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE LET'S SEE. NEXT WE HAVE

[III.4. Council Approval on Storm Water Minor Residential Repair Program]

THE NUMBER FOUR. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. COUNCIL APPROVAL ON STORMWATER MINOR RESIDENTIAL REPAIR PROGRAM. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. OKAY, SO I CAME TO YOU LAST

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MONTH REGARDING A PILOT RESIDENTIAL MINOR STORMWATER REPAIR PROGRAM OR ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. AND SO I DID PROVIDE EXTRA COPIES OF THAT TODAY. BUT THE GOAL TODAY IS TO GET LEGAL BUY IN WITH THIS PILOT PROGRAM. AND THE GOAL IS FOR US TO UTILIZE OUR EXISTING STAFF THAT WE HAVE IN OUR EXPERTISE, THAT WE DO UTILIZE AND CROSS-REFERENCE WHEN WE'RE DOING WATER AND SEWER WORK. MY ASK AGAIN WOULD REQUIRE, IF THIS IS POSSIBLE WITH LEGAL BUY IN, IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE STORMWATER DIVISION OF $325,000. THAT WILL PROVIDE ME WITH TWO FULL TIME FIELD TECHNICIANS AND ONE FULL TIME EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. AND WE WOULD NOT NEED TO PURCHASE ANY HEAVY EQUIPMENT. WE WOULD UTILIZE THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING IN THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT AND THE STORMWATER DIVISION. ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? YEAH. JUST ONE. SO YOU SAID $325,000. YES. FOR THREE EMPLOYEES. YES. AND THAT WILL PROBABLY FOR PARTS. YEP. AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET AMENDMENT IN DECEMBER. BECAUSE I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE THE A BUDGET TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM. OKAY. MY QUESTION THEN WOULD BE FOR FINANCE. OH, WE HAVE RESERVES. OH. SO. OKAY. YES. YOU KNOW WHAT? SO THAT THE FUNDING SOURCE. SO THIS THE STORMWATER UTILITY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE JUST OVER, WHAT, $635,000 IN OPERATING FOR RESERVES. WE HAVE CLOSE TO 6 TO 7 MILLION IN RESERVES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN THIS PILOT PROGRAM. AND AGAIN, PILOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTS COULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. BUT AGAIN, PILOT MEANS LET US RUN THIS PROGRAM. AND IN SIX MONTHS, WHEN WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE GONE OVER THAT. 325 TO BRING SOME OTHER OPTIONS TO YOU, IF WE FEEL THAT IT'S A MAJOR BENEFIT TO THE CITY. I WOULD SAY FOR A LONG TERM, WE NEED TO PROBABLY INCREASE THE STORMWATER UTILITY RATE, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD HELP WITH THE SHEER NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS. AND AGAIN, MANY COMPLAINTS ARE DETERIORATED PIPES, EROSION OF PROPERTIES THAT WOULD REALLY COME FROM US DONATING RIPRAP AND PUTTING RIPRAP ALONG BANKS TO STABILIZE THOSE BANKS. CLEANING. WE COME INTO A PIPES THAT HAVE ROOTS INTRUSION FROM PRIVATE PROPERTIES. WE FEEL CONFIDENT WITH A ROOT CUTTER. WE COULD CUT THAT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT FLOW OF THAT STORMWATER IS GETTING TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO WHEN IT'S CROSSING PRIVATE PROPERTY. WELL, I THINK THAT MAY HAVE ANSWERED THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HAVE ANSWERED MY QUESTION, JUST THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR IT. SO THAT THAT'S FINE. YEAH. SHE DOES.

THEY DO HAVE RESERVES. SO BUDGET AMENDMENT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE. I GUESS YOU CAN JUST COME WORK WITH ME AND WE CAN GET IT DONE. YES. WHAT, WHAT I SAID SO THE GOAL TODAY IS JUST TO GET LEGAL BUY IN AND OPINION OF HAVING A PILOT PROGRAM. YES, SIR. OKAY I YIELD. SO OKAY. YOU YIELD. OKAY. SO WE HAVE COUNCILMAN ADKINS AND THEN COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. YES. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR ECHEVARRIA. SO MY MY QUESTION, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, WAS THE LEGAL BUY IN PIECE. AND I THINK WHEN YOU PRESENTED BEFORE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE HERE, IF SOMEONE ELSE WAS IN YOUR STEAD. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, WHEN WE ARE GOING ON TO THE PROPERTIES, WHAT DOES THAT IMPACT IN TERMS OF OUR INSURANCE? AND I KNOW THAT DIRECTOR ECHEVARRIA SAID THAT NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT, RIGHT? NO. WE HAVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, BUT IN ORDER FOR RESIDENT TO QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE CRITERIA THAT'S ON SHEET 11. AGAIN IN NO EXCUSE ME. 12. THE RESIDENT WILL MAKE A REQUEST. AND AGAIN, WE KNOW THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME SENIORS THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS ELECTRONICALLY. SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO HAVE A TWO PRONGED PROGRAM. WE CAN HAVE AN ELECTRONIC FORM THAT'S ROUTED DIRECTLY TO THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT THROUGH WHOEVER THE DIRECTOR IS AT THE TIME TO THE STORMWATER DIVISION. AND THEN WE HAVE THIS FLOW CHART AND A FORM THAT WILL BE COMPLETED.

AND AGAIN, THE STAFF WILL DO A REVIEW, THEY'LL DO A FIELD INVESTIGATION. THE STORMWATER ENGINEER WHO'S A LICENSED CIVIL ENGINEER, WILL GO OUT THERE AND DETERMINE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH CLEARANCE TO DO THE WORK, MEANING WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO FIT A MINI EXCAVATOR

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OR BACKHOE IN THERE TO DO THE WORK. IF WE DON'T, THEN WE WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS PROGRAM OR THIS PROJECT, EXCUSE ME, DOES NOT QUALIFY. IT HAS TO HAVE CERTAIN FACTORS, HAVE TO BE PRESENT WHERE IT'S FAVORABLE FOR THE CITY, RIGHT, TO DO THE WORK. OKAY, SO I, I THOUGHT THAT I HEARD YOU BEFORE JUST SAID THAT WE WOULDN'T BE USING HEAVY EQUIPMENT, BUT IN SOME.

NO, I DON'T NEED TO BUY ANY. I DON'T NEED TO BUY ANY. WE HAVE YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY ANY. WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED IN THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT TO NOT PURCHASE ANY EQUIPMENT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. SO YES, SO THAT WAS THE MY QUESTION WAS REALLY JUST AROUND CITY EXPOSURE LIABILITY GOING ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHAT HAPPENS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES. YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. PERSONALLY, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. I DO HAVE SOME LEGAL OBSERVATIONS, HOWEVER, WITH RESPECT TO THE GRATUITIES CLAUSE AND ALSO LEGAL LIABILITY. FOR ONE, WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY WORK THAT'S DONE, WE CAN ARTICULATE HOW IT WILL PROTECT OR NOT FURTHER. DAMAGE THE CITY STORMWATER PROGRAM. RIGHT. OR THE CITY STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET AROUND DOING WORK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IS BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THEN IT COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL CREATE PROBLEMS FOR THE ALL AS OPPOSED TO JUST BENEFITING THIS INDIVIDUAL. I'M SORRY. AND THEN ON SHEET 11, I HAVE OUTLINED OUTLAID THAT IT HAS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERN. IT HAS TO INDICATE WHETHER IT HAS A THREAT TO PUBLIC. EVERYTHING ON HERE IS WHAT WOULD BE ON THAT FORM, AND IT HAS TO BE THOROUGHLY COMPLETED FOR REVIEW FOR A STAFF AND DEPARTMENT HEADS RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ALL. I SAT DOWN AND THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR SEVERAL WEEKS TO HOPEFULLY ELIMINATE SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT'S COMING TO YOU. I DO THINK THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE.

OKAY. AND CAN WE DO A INDEMNIFICATION TO HOLD THE CITY HARMLESS? IF SO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE OTHER PAGE NUMBER 11. THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT ISSUE.

SO WE WE HEARD ABOUT THERE BEING PROPERTY OWNER AGREEMENT, WHICH IS LIKE THE SEVENTH ONE DOWN. AND BASED ON WHAT YOU WERE ABOUT TO SAY, A HOLD HARMLESS AND ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN TWICE, RIGHT? IT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN AT THE INITIAL STAFF REVIEW, BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO GO ON THE PROPERTY TO EVEN EVALUATE THE ISSUE. OKAY. RIGHT.

AND SO GOING ON THE PROPERTY INITIALLY WILL REQUIRE SOME CONSENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO EVEN MAKE THE INITIAL STAFF REVIEW AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH, THE ACTIVE EROSION, YADA, YADA, YADA, EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON PAGE TEN.

AND SO THE INITIAL CONSENT, THE WHOLE HARMLESS INDEMNIFICATION WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN UP AT THE TOP. I COULD WRITE AN ENTRY FORM LIKE A. RIGHT, RIGHT. YES. SO WE YEAH, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE EVEN NOW IN TYPICAL WATER AND SEWER PROJECTS, WE ALWAYS HAVE AN EASEMENT. I'M SORRY. EVEN WHEN WE HAVE AN EASEMENT, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITHIN THAT TEN FEET. SO WE GET A RIGHT OF ENTRY FOR IT. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY A PART OF OUR PROCESS. WHEN WE HAVE TO STEP OFF THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE ALWAYS GET THAT. AND AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN REVIEW IN DEPTH SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROGRAM THAT WE CAN ADD IN THAT FLOW CHART. OKAY, SO THAT'S GO AHEAD.

I'LL. GIVEN THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE. YES, YES, I JUST I DO SO SO THAT IS THE SECOND ITEM RIGHT HERE. I DID NOT ASSUME THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS. I THINK I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT VOICE IS ESTABLISHED FOR WHATEVER WE DO. WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH THAT THE WORK TO PROTECT THE CITY, STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT TO DO IT WITH THE CITY OF CODE TALKED ABOUT WAIVERS, FOR EXAMPLE, OF THAT WAIVER. ALSO, THE IDENTIFICATION OF, I THINK, IS A INDICATED THAT THERE WOULD IT WOULD BE CUSTOMER GENERATED.

RIGHT. IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD BE. A BENEFICIARY OF THIS.

SO THEY WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE CITY. FOR ELECTRONICS OR OTHERWISE TO SAY, HEY, I THINK I HAVE A SMALL ISSUE. THE NEXT WE GET TO IS THE OPPORTUNITY. IF IT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF.

I KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT IT COMING TO COUNCIL. I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE IT GETS SUBJECTED TO A RIGHT, BECAUSE

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THEN WE WILL HAVE INCONSISTENT RESULTS AS TO WHO QUALIFIED, WHO QUALIFIED, WHO GOT TO DESIGN RIGHT. AND SO IT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE CRITERIA, ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES. IF THIS INDIVIDUAL'S PROPERTY NEEDS IT DOESN'T NEED IT. AND I WILL CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THAT FORMS THAT ARE NONDISCRIMINATORY, OBVIOUSLY NOT ARBITRARY TO SAY YES, YOU NEED IT. NO YOU DON'T.

HERE'S WHY. LASTLY, I HAVE HERE THAT THE. POTENTIAL FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO GET DENIED. WE WOULD BE. RIGHT IF I GOT DENIED. RIGHT NOW, I WANT TO MAKE A CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY FOR DAMAGES OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN. WE SEE. A. MANDAMUS. REQUIRING US TO GO OUT AND DO THE EVALUATION.

SO IT WOULD BE ESTABLISHING THE CAUSE OF THAT WOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED IF THE PROGRAM WAS NOT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE PROGRAM WOULD WORK. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST THING AND IT COULD BE A PART OF THE DIRECT ECHEVERIA, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER AGREEMENT, THE CITY GOES OUT. CITY DOES WORK. IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA. ALL OF THOSE THINGS. A BAD STORM COMES HEAVY RAIN. AND THEN THE OWNER SAYS IT'S WORSE. YOU'VE MADE THE SITUATION WORSE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN A PART OF AGREEMENT THAT THEY CAN'T COME BACK TO SAY THAT WE HAVE EXACERBATED THE ISSUE. SO HOW THEN DO WE ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE COMPLAINTS? THE GOAL OF THE MINOR REPAIR IS JUST TO DO MINOR REPAIRS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING ANY TYPE OF UPGRADE TO PIPE, ANY TYPE OF ANYTHING THAT WILL INCREASE THE HYDROLOGY OR FLOW OF THE WATER. THIS MEANS THAT YOU HAVE A PIPE, A GRATE, AND INLET ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT WE CAN FIX IN HOUSE THAT IS EITHER PRECAST OR PREFABRICATED. IT SHOULDN'T.

WE'RE NOT DOING IT. WE'RE JUST REPLACING SOMETHING THAT OR REPAIRING SOMETHING THAT IS NO LONGER FUNCTIONING IN ITS CURRENT MAINTENANCE FORM OR SERVICEABLE FORM. SO PRETTY MUCH IT CAN'T GET WORSE THAN WHAT IT IS. WHEN WE SEE IT AS WHERE I'M GOING, THE GOAL IS TO BREAK. YES, YES, I GET THAT PIECE. BUT IT DOESN'T STOP HOMEOWNERS FOR SAYING THAT IT GOT. IT DOESN'T. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PLANNING FOR THAT. SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DID IMPROPERLY, BUT THEY CAN THEN SAY, WELL, Y'ALL CAME ON MY PROPERTY AND YOU DID THIS. AND BEFORE YOU DID THIS, I WASN'T HAVING THIS ISSUE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTED FROM THAT, WHICH IS WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT AS A PART OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AGREEMENT OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS. I JUST DON'T WANT, BECAUSE THEN I THINK THAT WE HAVE CLAIMS TO GO UP BECAUSE OF THAT, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF DAMAGE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS.

AMEN. MR. MITCHELL, COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I'M JUST SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. IS THERE AN APPEAL PROCESS WE HAVE FOR THIS? NO. WELL, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS FILL OUT THE FORM. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE CLEARANCE AGAIN, IT'S NO WAY. IF I DON'T IF I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO FIT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT SAFELY WITHOUT GRAZING A BUILDING OR TREE, A POWER LINE, THE ANSWER IS WE.

THE GOAL IS TO OUTLINE WHY WE CAN'T SPECIFICALLY PUT THE MEASUREMENTS IN THERE, WHY THE PROJECT WOULDN'T QUALIFY, AND ALSO IN THE FORM THAT I'VE STARTED TO CREATE, IS TO TELL THE CITY THE RISK AS TO WHY WE CAN'T DO IT. OKAY. YEAH. SO I WAS JUST THINKING HOW WE COULD BE FAIR ABOUT THIS. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED SOME TYPE OF APPEAL PROCESS. LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO SAY WE DISCRIMINATE AND GIVE PEOPLE DUE PROCESS. BUT YEAH, WELL, AGAIN, THE FORM THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MEASUREMENTS AND THEY HAVE TO SAY YES OR NO OR WHY. AND THEN GIVE THE REASON TO WHY THE PROJECT DOES NOT QUALIFY. AND SO IF ANY OF THE CHECKLIST IS A NO, THEN THE PROJECT DOESN'T QUALIFY. AND WE CAN OUTLINE THE RISK OR THE LIABILITY TO THE CITY AS TO WHY WE CAN'T DO IT. IT'S IN SOME OF THE MORE SEASONED NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH CLEARANCE BETWEEN HOUSES TO GET A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR ME TO POSSIBLY ASSIST THEM IF I CAN'T GET THE EQUIPMENT BETWEEN THE HOUSES TO DO THE WORK. ALSO, THERE MAY BE OPTIONS WHERE WE CAN DO NONINVASIVE. MAYBE WE CAN PUSH ANOTHER PIPE IN THAT PIPE, OR WE CAN COAT THE PIPE WHERE WE

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DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY. IT COULD BE TRENCHLESS. WE JUST NEED A POINT TO PUT THE MIXTURE IN SO IT CAN CURE IN THE PIPE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW THE ASK WAS FOR 325,000 IF THAT'S APPROVED. HOW HOW SOON AFTER THE AMENDMENT IT THE AMENDMENT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. IF I'M CORRECT, IT'S IN DECEMBER. IT'S NORMALLY IN DECEMBER OF EVERY YEAR. OKAY. GOT YOU. AND HOW DO WE PLAN ON. I THINK I'VE ASKED THAT. HOW HOW WOULD ONE APPLY FOR THIS FOR THIS PROGRAM? I'M ACTUALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. WELL, I WAS GOING TO CREATE AN ONLINE FORM. AND THEN ALSO ON THAT FORM, WHEN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PART HAVE A WAY FOR SENIORS OR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO DOING THIS DIGITALLY, TO HAVE SOMEONE IN PHYSICALLY, PHYSICALLY, IN CITY HALL THAT THEY CAN SPEAK TO. THE STORMWATER DIVISION HAS ITS OWN OFFICE MANAGER NOW THAT'S ACTUALLY HOUSED IN THE GROUND LEVEL OF THIS BUILDING. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ONE ON ONE AND FILL THE FORM OUT BY HAND MANUALLY, VERSUS DOING DIGITAL. AND I GUESS, WHAT'S THE STRATEGY FOR PROMOTING PROMOTING THE PROGRAM? PUBLIC? YEAH, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION CAMPAIGN WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, WITH APPROVING APPROVAL OF THE ACTING CITY MANAGER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, THANK YOU. I ALSO REALLY LOVE THE PROGRAM AND LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO PILOT IT AND JUST TEST IT OUT AND GIVE US SOME DATA AROUND THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS PROGRAM. BUT TWO QUESTIONS I DIDN'T HEAR EARLIER, THE FUNDING SOURCE, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED RESERVES IS THIS STORMWATER RESERVES WATER. OKAY, SO THIS IS STORMWATER. SO YES, IT WILL BE FUNDED BY STORMWATER DIVISION. GOT IT. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS FOR CITY ATTORNEY. YOU MENTIONED IT WAS THE LAST THING YOU MENTIONED. SO THE LAST THING I MENTIONED WAS REGARDING GIVING A PLATFORM FOR A CAUSE OF ACTION, CAUSE OF ACTION. SO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THAT.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THAT THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE DENIED, RIGHT. THAT MAY GET THE EVALUATION AND IT'S DETERMINED WHETHER IT BE AT THE INITIAL REVIEW OR LATER IN THE PROCESS THAT THEY DON'T QUALIFY, NOT PROVIDING A CAUSE OF ACTION. IT COULD EVEN BE FOR THOSE THAT ARE APPROVED THAT FEEL LIKE WE DID MORE HARM THAN GOOD, GIVEN COUNCILMAN ATKINS EXAMPLE, GIVING THEM A PATH FORWARD TO SUE, CREATE A CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY BECAUSE WE WERE ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY FEEL LIKE EITHER THEY WERE WRONGLY DENIED FROM THE PROGRAM OR THAT BY OUR PRESENCE, THERE'S BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL DAMAGE. GOT IT. OKAY. AND THAT, YOU SAID, IS NOT A PART OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, THE PROGRAM TODAY. I'M SAYING THAT'S A LEGAL OBSERVATION TO WHAT COULD OR SOMETHING YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD.

GOT IT. OKAY. THERE IS LANGUAGE OR WOULD BE LANGUAGE IN IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE NUMBER 11 ON IT, THERE WOULD BE LANGUAGE IN THAT PROPERTY OWNER AGREEMENT INDICATING THERE BE A WAIVER OF ANY CLAIMS AGAINST THE CITY BASED ON THE WORK DONE RIGHT. HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT CAPTURE THE FOLKS THAT WERE DENIED. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY MAY SAY THEY TREATED ME DIFFERENTLY OR THEY WRONGLY DENIED ME. THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER THIS. SO WHEN I HEARD MISS ECHEVARRIA TALK ABOUT THE SPACING, THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE CRITERIA WHERE IT IS NUMBERS, RIGHT? THAT'S IT IS WHAT IT IS. EITHER YOU'VE GOT TEN FEET BETWEEN YOU AND THE TREE OR YOU DON'T. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARDER FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE A CAUSE OF ACTION IF THEY'RE DENIED BASED ON, AGAIN, NON ARBITRARY CONSIDERATIONS OR CRITERIA. GOT IT. SO AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THAT PRETTY MUCH VETTED OUT THE CRITERIA CLEARANCES AND TECHNICAL EVALUATION FORM. GOT IT. MICROPHONE. I CAN PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROCESS AND THE COMPLETE INSPECTION AND INVESTIGATION SHEET TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PUT SOME LEGAL OPINION IN THERE OR BUY IN TO MAKE IT THAT THIS IS THE CRITERIA THAT WE FOLLOW AND WE ADOPT. IT HAS TO BE COMPLETED. EITHER IT IS OR IT DOESN'T, SO THAT I CAN PROVIDE. OKAY. THE LAST QUESTION IS A PART OF THIS FINAL INSPECTION. WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN WHEN CITY ATTORNEY SAID THAT WAS KIND OF WHEN I TAKE MY CAR TO GET AN OIL CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY

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NOTICE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT ALSO NEED TO BE REPAIRED AND THEY CAN SAY HOW CRITICAL IT IS OR NOT. AND SO YOU WALK AWAY WITH A REPORT TO SAY, HEY, WE ALSO NOTICED THESE THINGS, THINGS WE WON'T BE ABLE TO FIX, BUT AT LEAST KNOW. OKAY, SO NEVER MIND. OKAY. AND TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO DO THE RIGHT OF ENTRY FORM MY TEAM, WE TAKE PICTURES BEFORE WE STEP FOOT ON YOUR PROPERTY AND AFTER. OKAY, SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT. YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED A FEW YEARS AGO. WE MAKE SURE WE TAKE PICTURES BEFORE WE START WORK. GOT IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YIELDING. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS ALRIGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK WITH THIS PROGRAM. BUT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US 1 OR 2 EXAMPLES OF MINOR REPAIRS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT A MINOR REPAIR IS? YES. SO IN MOST CASES, WE'LL HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT SINKHOLES. AND USUALLY THAT'S JUST A BREAK IN THE PIPE THAT CAN BE PATCHED. OR WE CAN SLIP ANOTHER PIPE IN THERE. MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE DO GET RECENTLY ARE USUALLY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRIBUTARIES GOING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY, CREEKS. AND SO BASED OFF OF THE FLOW OF THAT CREEK, IT SCOURS AWAY THE ROOTS AND THE GRASS THAT HOLDS THE SOIL TOGETHER.

IN INSTANCES, MANY PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR STABILIZATION, CREEK STABILIZATION, AND THAT CAN BE FROM A ROCK OR RIPRAP PLACEMENT ALONG THAT CHANNEL TO STABILIZE IT. BECAUSE YOU DID THAT FOR THE CLEANUP IN SUN VALLEY? YES. THAT IS YES, YES. SO PUT THAT NORMALLY IF WE CAN STRENGTHEN THAT EMBANKMENT TO PREVENT IT FROM ERODING. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE.

AND AGAIN, RECENTLY I'VE SEEN SOMETHING WHERE WE HAD A HUGE ROOT BALL THROUGH A STORMWATER PIPE. AND AGAIN, WE PUT A CAMERA IN THERE AND WE NOTICED IT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE CAN'T DO A ROOT CUTTER TO CUT THAT ROOT BALL OUT. AGAIN, I DON'T SEE MAJOR THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WE CANNOT HANDLE. NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T EXIST, BUT RECENTLY THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING ARE WHAT I THINK THAT WE CAN HANDLE INTERNALLY WITHOUT OUTSOURCING THINGS TO CONTRACTORS. SO AGAIN, THE PROGRAM IS MINIMAL AND MINOR BASED OFF OF THE EXPERTISE OF THE STAFF AND EQUIPMENT AND THE LABOR THAT WE HAVE. IF IT GOES BEYOND THAT, THAT TURNS INTO SOMETHING ELSE. BUT IT'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR THE DOCUMENTATION TO APPEASE COUNCIL AND TO MAKE IT, I GUESS, CUSTOMER FRIENDLY. CAN YOU ALSO INCLUDE MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL APPEAL PROCESS? IF SOMEONE IS DENIED, THEY MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE APPEAL, OR DOES THAT MAKE SENSE IF THEY ARE DENIED? I'M JUST ASKING FOR MYSELF. I CAN I CAN TRY TO HAVE SOMETHING BY MONDAY BECAUSE I ALREADY STARTED THE FORM, SO I THINK I CAN TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING I THINK I CAN. AN EXAMPLE OF AN OPTION OF AN APPEAL PROCESS. I THINK THAT WAS THE CONCERN. BUT IN THAT DENIAL, PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU LIST THE RISK FOR WHEN SOMEONE GOES OUT AND THEY ARE DENIED. I THINK THE RISK NEED TO BE STATED CLEARLY SO THAT SOMEONE WHO IS PETITIONING FOR THE MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM, THEY KNOW, LIKE THIS IS TOO MUCH OF A RISK FOR THE CITY. SO JUST EXCITED ABOUT THIS. DIRECTOR ECHEVERIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT. AND SO THE ASK IS TO PUT THIS ON THE CONSENT. I WOULD I, I'M NOT ASKING THAT. I ALSO WOULD SAY THAT LOOK AT THOSE REVIEWS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS HAS GOTTEN ADMINISTRATION'S. BUY IN, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF IS GOING TO BE HEAVILY INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY NOW IF YOU'RE ADDING A LEVEL OF APPEAL, WHO THAT APPEAL IS GOING TO GO TO. AND IT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I GUESS IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN MY MIND THAT APPEAL WOULD GO TO THE SAME PEOPLE THAT DID THE INITIAL EVALUATION. THE LAST THING IS, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF THIS IS SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATIONS.

RIGHT? I GET THIS AS A PILOT, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD CONTINUE. THEN IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD BY RESIDENTS THAT IF THE COUNCIL DOES NOT APPROVE A BUDGET THAT SUPPORTS THIS PROGRAM, CORRECT. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO CONTINUE IT. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE AN APPEAL PROCESS, BUT I GUESS IT WOULD BE. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM

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COUNCIL COLLEAGUES BECAUSE, I MEAN, NOW THAT I DO THINK ABOUT IT, IF IT IS A HARD NO, BECAUSE THIS WILL CAUSE FURTHER DAMAGE, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPEAL. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, DIRECTOR? AGAIN, I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND USUALLY I'VE SEEN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH CLEARANCE. OR TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE ARE SOME STORMWATER PIPES THAT GO UNDERNEATH PEOPLE'S HOUSES. THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN FIX THAT. SO AGAIN, AGAIN, ON THE FORM THAT I'VE STARTED WORKING ON, IT'S PRETTY DETAILED AND IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY DETAILED AS TO WHY IT DOESN'T QUALIFY AND THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNDERNEATH A HOUSE THAT COULD CAUSE ANY TYPE OF FOUNDATIONAL DAMAGE. SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD BE ON THE FORM FOR PEOPLE TO FILL OUT. SO NOW THAT I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN I WOULD SAY NO APPEAL, BECAUSE IF A PIPE IS UNDER A HOUSE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. IT'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. WHEN WILL YOU HAVE, I GUESS, THE INFORMATION BACK TO THE ACTING CITY MANAGER. I CAN HAVE THE FORM READY BY TOMORROW AND GIVE US TIME FOR NEXT MONDAY'S MEETING FOR REVIEW IN ACTING CITY MANAGER. CAN THAT FORM BE SHARED WITH COUNCIL? YES, MA'AM.

IT CAN BE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. YES. JUST. I KNOW WE'RE DONE WITH THIS. SHE ONLY HAD ONE MORE ITEM THAT WAS UP FOR DISCUSSION, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, IT'S ITEM NUMBER 32. WELL, IT'S WATER AND SEWER, EAST POINT POWER. SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYBODY ON THERE, BUT JUST SO SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WAIT THE WHOLE TIME. THAT'S BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CONSENT ON HER. SO ITEM NUMBER 32 IS COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A JOINT PURCHASE OF A 2026 FORD F 554 BY FOREIGN CRANE TRUCK TO SUPPORT CRITICAL UTILITY AND TREATMENT PLANT OPERATIONS FOR BOTH THE WATER SEWER DEPARTMENT AND THE POWER DEPARTMENT. THIS WILL REDUCE DEPENDANCE ON COSTLY CRANE RENTALS AND SUPPORT. SO WE RECEIVED $1.6 MILLION IN A CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING FOR PLANT RENOVATIONS. AND THAT CRANE THAT WE NEED IS GOING TO BE $30,000 PER MONTH.

WE TYPICALLY NOW USE THE BACKHOE AND EXCAVATOR. ONE IS SPEED. THEY CAN GO 20, 30 MILES AN HOUR. THAT'S ONE TWO. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE THE CRANE SUPPORTS US AND STABILIZES THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. WE CAN USE THE CRANE FOR VALVES, WATER LINE, SEWER LINES AND FIRE HYDRANTS. NOW WE'RE HOISTING THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT WITH CHAINS AND IT'S SLIPPAGE.

SO THIS GIVES US WHAT WE NEED. I HAVE ASKED THE POWER DEPARTMENT FOR CRANES AND FOR ASSISTANCE, AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT THE COST AND SHARE THIS SO THAT THIS CAN BE UTILIZED IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS FOR PUMPS, MOTORS, POLES. WE DEFINITELY CAN UTILIZE THIS. AND I WORK REALLY WELL WITH THE POWER DEPARTMENT ON AN ON GOING BASIS.

SO WE FEEL THAT WE CAN SHARE THIS TO PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. BUT 30 GRAND FOR ONE MONTH ON A TWO MONTH PROJECT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S YEAH, WE'RE LOSING MONEY THIS WAY. YES. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? NO, IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED FOR CONSENT. I HAD THE QUESTION AND YOU THOROUGHLY ANSWERED IT. AND SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH MY COLLEAGUES, I'M FINE WITH IT BEING ON CONSENT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS, THANK YOU FOR CONSENT AND WILL BE MOVED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING. NEXT WEEK. THE NEXT MEETING. 1019 OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR ECHEVERIA. ALWAYS THOROUGH. LET'S SEE. WE ARE ON NUMBER.

LET'S GO DOWN TO. NOPE. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE GOOD STUFF OUT HERE FIRST. SO IF FOR THE

[IV.12. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendors, ProSource Utility Contractors and U-TEC Electrical Contractors, from ECG Cooperative Agreement, to Provide Citywide Electrical Construction and Emergency Support Services. Services Will Include Assistance with Underground and Overhead Electrical Projects, as Well as Emergency Storm Response and Restoration Assistance as Needed by the East Point Power Department.. NOT TO EXCEED: $1,000,000.00 FUNDING CIP Approved Funding SOURCE: Contractor Services]

SAKE OF TIME AND TO GET STAFF OUT, CAN WE MOVE TO 12 AND 13 EAST POINT POWER. HI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ITEM NUMBER 12, THE CONTRACT. THIS IS A IG ELECTRIC CITIES OF

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GEORGIA. THEY'VE ALREADY VETTED THESE VENDORS. AND WE'RE JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THEIR CONTRACTS WITH TO USE PRO SOURCE AS A EMERGENCY AND OTHER MAJOR PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY.

CONTRACTOR. OKAY. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S YOUR ASK TONIGHT? THE ACTUAL ASK, ARE YOU JUST DOING A PRESENTATION? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT THE PRESENTATION, BUT COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL SO I THINK I READ THE ASK IS FOR $1 MILLION OR NOT TO EXCEED $1 MILLION. I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT'S PREVENTING US FROM DOING THIS WORK INTERNALLY TODAY? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, BUT WHAT'S PREVENTING US FROM DOING SOME OF THE OTHER MAJOR PROJECTS INTERNALLY? WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER OR THE STAFFING LEVELS. OKAY. AND DO WE FORESEE LIKE, FROM A FUTURE STANDPOINT OF US INVESTING EITHER TO LEVEL UP SKILL SET INTERNALLY TO BRING ON MORE PEOPLE? I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF $1 MILLION. AND, AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS TODAY BECAUSE IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. BUT HOW DO WE POTENTIALLY REDUCE THAT MOVING FORWARD? I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S THAT WOULD BE US INCREASING OUR STAFFING LEVELS. CURRENTLY WE ONLY HAVE X AMOUNT OF POSITIONS.

SO THAT WOULD BE I DON'T I THINK WHETHER THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OR CITY MANAGER HR TO GIVE US MORE POSITIONS AND AS WELL AS FUNDING SOME OF THESE SKILLED POSITIONS, SOME OF THE SALARIES THAT WE ARE PAYING RIGHT NOW, WE WE JUST WON'T GET BE ABLE TO GET THEM FILLED.

OKAY. WELL, I WAS THINKING LIKE, IF THERE WAS AN APPROACH WHERE MAYBE YOU NEED 500,000 AND YOU PUT 500,000 INTO YOUR DEPARTMENT TO GET THE RIGHT STAFF OR TO HELP STAFF LEVEL UP FOR THE SKILL SET THAT'S NEEDED IN ORDER TO COMPLETE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS IF YOU CONSIDERED THAT, I WOULD LOVE THAT. I WOULD LOVE THAT. OKAY.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES. MR. DOWD, THIS IS JUST A A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT. SO WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL USE ALL THE 1 MILLION. AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THESE ARE SOME VENDORS THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY VETTED BY IG FOR THE PROJECT. AND IT LOOKS HERE THAT THIS IS GRID HARDENING BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT UNDERGROUND. YES. SO SOME GRID HARDENING AND THEN EMERGENCIES. CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO JUST UP TO $1 MILLION NOT TO EXCEED. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS. WE CAN MOVE. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN, I'M COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, ONE MORE QUESTION. HOW HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT IN THE PAST IN THIS AREA? WE'VE SPENT RIGHT UP TO $1 MILLION, SPENT $1 MILLION THE LAST 2 OR 3 YEARS. OKAY. BUT AND JUST LIKE MAJOR PROJECTS, NOT YOUR EVERYDAY, LIKE A CUSTOMER NEEDS POWER AT THE HOUSE. NO, WE TAKE CARE OF THAT TYPE OF STUFF INTERNALLY. BUT PROJECTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THESE CONTRACTORS ARE GOING TO BE ON FOR WEEKS OR MONTHS AT A TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO JUST SIT OUR STAFF AND THOSE PROJECTS AND FORGET ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. AND THIS IS GO AHEAD. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MOVE TO CONSENT? IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MONDAY? OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH. ITEM ITEM NUMBER 13 IS

[IV.13. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor Daupler, from Piggyback City of Seneca, SC Contract, for Utility Dispatching and Outage Maps, NOT TO EXCEED: $130,000.00 Funding SOURCE: Professional Fees.]

ONE THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, BECAUSE WE'RE FINALLY AT A POINT WHERE OUR SKATER SYSTEM IS COMPLETED. THE EMI IS COMPLETED AND WE HAVE THE OUTAGE MANAGEMENT DATA. SO NOW WE CAN PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND CREATE OUTAGE MAPS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SO RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH A LIKE A WIDGET OR SOMETHING ON OUR HOME

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PAGE INSTEAD OF LIKE RIGHT NOW, THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE USING, IT WORKED FOR US FOR THE TIME, BUT WE'RE READY TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD. SO I, YOU SEE THAT'S WHO WE CURRENTLY USE. AND WE PAY RIGHT ABOUT 130,000 PER YEAR. AND THEY ONLY PROVIDE CALL SERVICING. THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, AI OR OUTAGE MAPS OR ANY OF THAT PROVIDED WITH IUC. THEY'RE ONLY A CALL CENTER, BASICALLY AFTER HOURS CALL CENTER. WITH THIS, WE'RE GETTING ALL OF THAT FOR A WAY CHEAPER PRICE. I THINK IT'S LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST YEAR, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE 80,000. WHEREAS WITH IUC LAST YEAR WE SPENT 130,000 AND THEY ONLY HAVE, I THINK IT'S A 32 PAIR PHONE SYSTEM. SO YOU KNOW, THAT NEXT PERSON THAT CALLS IN, IT GOES TO VOICEMAIL OR A BUSY SIGNAL VERSUS WITH DOPPLER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING AI. SO YOU'LL GET THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU CALL YOUR BANK OR SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROMPTS. AND IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO A LIVE AGENT, YOU KNOW, YOU PRESS ONE, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SO AND ALSO TEXT MESSAGING, ONCE YOU OPT IN, YOU'LL GET THE TEXT LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POWER OUTAGE IN THIS AREA AND IT'LL BE OUT FOR TWO HOURS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO THAT'S WHAT DOPPLER UTILITY DISPATCH IS. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. THANK YOU. I DEFINITELY LOVE UPGRADING AND BEING ABLE TO KIND OF SEE THOSE OUTAGE MAPS. SO I'M EXCITED FOR THIS AS WELL. BUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE IUC IN PLACE TODAY.

WHEN DOES THAT CONTRACT EXPIRE. IS THERE GOING TO BE AN OVERLAP IN COST. BECAUSE I ALSO SEE THAT THIS HAS COME OUT OF COMING OUT OF PROFESSIONAL FEES. CORRECT. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A OVERLAP IN COSTS IN TERMS OF THE SETUP PERIOD. BUT WITH IUC IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE THEM I THINK IT'S FOUR EITHER FOUR OR BETWEEN 4 TO 6 MONTHS TIME FRAME, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE US ABOUT 4 TO 5 MONTHS TO GET THIS WHOLE SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING. OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS WHEN I WAS DOING THE LOOKING AT THIS AHEAD OF TIME, CODE RED CAME UP BECAUSE THIS KIND OF ALL FALLS INTO THE SAME REALM AS WELL. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH CODE RED? IS THIS GOING TO REPLACE CODE RED? NO. SO WITH SPEAKING WITH CHIEF, BEFORE WE VENTURED INTO THIS, I SPOKE WITH CHIEF ABOUT THE CODE RED TO SEE IF CODE RED COULD DO THESE TYPES OF STUFF, WHICH IT CAN DO SOME, BUT THE CODE RED IS MEANT JUST FOR THAT, JUST FOR EMERGENCIES. WE DON'T WANT TO BOG DOWN CODE RED WITH HEY, THERE'S AN OUTAGE, YOU KNOW, 15 PEOPLE IS OUT AND WE SEND OUT A CODE RED ALERT BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT WHEN THERE IS THAT REAL EMERGENCY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JUST BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT STUDYING THAT ANYMORE. AND IT WON'T ACTUALLY BE, YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S MEANT FOR. GOT IT. OKAY. I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT LIKE THE OPT IN OR HOW WE'RE GOING TO OBTAIN PHONE NUMBERS AND EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION. I KNOW TODAY WITH CODE RED, WE'RE KIND OF PUSHING FOR PEOPLE TO OPT IN. DOES THIS REQUIRE OPT IN AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET CLIENT INFORMATION? CAN WE TAP INTO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. CORRECT. CORRECT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE THE THE WHOLE BACKBONE FOR THIS SYSTEM IS THE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S WHERE WE GENERATE OUR ALL OUR ACCOUNTS, ALL OUR BILLS, EVERYTHING. SO THE PHONE NUMBERS AND THE, YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION THAT'S ON YOUR ACCOUNT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS WILL GET PUSHED TO THAT FOR JUST GENERAL MESSAGING, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. BUT TO ACTUALLY GET LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY POWER IS OUT, THAT TYPE OF STUFF, YOU'LL HAVE TO OPT IN TO THAT SERVICE AND THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, US DOING MARKETING EVERY TIME SOMEONE GOES INTO CUSTOMER CARE, YOU KNOW, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, JUST HOWEVER WE CAN TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT THAT, HEY, WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO OBTAIN AND TAKE PART SO YOU, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO WAIT, EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN. WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION WILL WE GET WITHOUT OPTING IN? SO YOU'LL GET IT'LL BE LIKE YOU'LL GET OUTAGE INFORMATION, BUT IT WON'T BE SPECIFIC TO WHERE YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T THERE'S CERTAIN INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO FEED IT SO IT CAN GIVE YOU BACK. IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, CHATGPT OR ANY OF THAT,

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RIGHT? YOU COULD PUT IN A, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THAT GENERAL QUESTION FIRST FOR IT TO GIVE YOU BACK INFORMATION. SO SAME THING. YOU'LL GET GENERAL INFORMATION LIKE, HEY, THERE'S A MASS OUTAGE GOING ON IN EASTPOINTE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WON'T BE SPECIFIC TO COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OUTAGE AT MY HOME, YOU KNOW, AND LAST QUESTION IS FOR CITY ATTORNEY. ARE WE ABLE TO TAP INTO PHONE NUMBERS TODAY FOR THE THE NON OPT IN MESSAGES? NO. IF IF SOMEONE HAS NOT GIVEN YOU THEIR NUMBER TO USE FOR. BECAUSE THAT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM WHERE THEY THEY GET A LINK AND CAN, YOU KNOW, UPLOAD THEIR INFORMATION. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THEIR NUMBERS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, THEN I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE PEOPLE'S PERSONAL HOME PHONES OR CELL PHONES FOR COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY DIDN'T GIVE US CONSENT TO USE IT FOR. SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF WHAT THAT COMMUNICATION PLAN LOOKS LIKE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE USAGE OF THIS. AS FAR AS LIKE HOW WE WOULD GET THAT OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO POTENTIALLY BRING THAT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING ALONG WITH THIS PRIOR TO MOVING INTO CONSENT. OR, YOU KNOW, I'LL ALSO JUST LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NO COMMENTS. COUNCILWOMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT, YOU KNOW, AI, DIGITAL COMMUNICATION. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE USING THAT PHONE SYSTEM THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE CAN BE COMMUNICATION BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO JUST SWITCH OVER, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE PHONE NUMBERS, LIKE, CAN WE KIND OF LIKE LEARN FROM THAT LESSON BEFORE? AND THEN THE SO YOU WERE SAYING THAT OVERALL, THE 130 IS WHAT WE'RE PAYING THE CURRENT SYSTEM. AND NOW WE'RE GOING DOWN TO LIKE 80 FOR THIS NEW TECH SYSTEM. IT'S 80,000, LIKE AROUND 80,000 FOR THE FIRST YEAR ONLY BECAUSE THAT INCLUDES THE LIKE 15,000 SET UP FEE. AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'LL BE LIKE 65 OR 6 BETWEEN 60 AND 65,000. AND THIS WILL HELP ME TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE WITH IUC WE'RE PAYING PER MINUTE. SO WHEN WE HAVE A CRAZY WEEKEND WITH STORMS, THEN MY BILL COULD EASILY BE 10 TO $15,000 VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THIS, IT'S A SET FEE PER YEAR. OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS GREAT. IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE SAVINGS FOR ACROSS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE CONTRACTOR, BUT THE MANPOWER AMOUNT OR THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT THIS IS REALLY EXCITING. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THIS IS ALSO A SHARED COST AS WELL BETWEEN THE UTILITIES AS WELL. YEAH, THIS WILL BE AN INTERESTING EXERCISE. COMMUNICATION PLAN WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE ALONG THIS WAY AS WELL. SO ALRIGHT. I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU SAY COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL? I THINK WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. HE'S BRINGING IT BACK TO MEET THE MEETING. RIGHT.

CALDWELL DID YOU WANT TO SEE COMMUNICATION? I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTOOD EARLIER THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE CHEAPER THAN THE OTHER SOLUTION. SO THAT MIGHT CHANGE. YOU KNOW MY I I'M FINE WITH MOVING INTO CONSENT. IF IF IF IT IS GOING TO SAVE US SOME MONEY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. OKAY. YES. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE CONSENT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 14. WAIT HOLD ON. WE GOT. YES. EVERYTHING ELSE IS CONSENT.

[IV.14. 2027 Comprehensive Plan Update Announcement for the City of East Point PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED]

SO ITEM NUMBER 14 IS FOR DISCUSSION. SO WE HAVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING. I MEAN I'M SORRY, THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR AND FELLOW COUNCIL. YES. IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER 14, IT IS WE ARE AT THAT TIME AGAIN TO UPDATE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT FIVE YEARS HAVE PASSED. OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DUE ON OCTOBER 31ST OF 2027. WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION. ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY MANDATED UNDER THE GEORGIA

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PLANNING ACT OF 1989 TO PERFORM THE CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR UPDATING COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FOR ALL METRO ATLANTA JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION.

WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH THEM. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO FINALIZE.

THEM, HELPING US WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS TIME AROUND. WE DID SEND OVER A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT HAS TO BE SIGNED BY THE MAYOR, ALONG WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND THE CITY CLERK. THAT WAS AN ATTACHMENT FOR THIS ITEM, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT IT COULD BE SIGNED UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING DOES HAVE A NOVEMBER 1ST ENGAGEMENT DATE. OTHER ITEMS IN REFERENCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, THERE ARE ABOUT 20 ITEMS THAT WE WILL BE MANDATED TO DO IN COORDINATION AND PARTNERSHIP THROUGH THE UPDATE PROCESS. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH IS FORMING A STEERING COMMITTEE. WE ARE ASKING THAT COUNCIL PROVIDE REPRESENTATIVES IF THERE IS AN ISSUE. WE ARE MORE THAN ABLE TO SUBMIT NAMES FOR YOU TO CHOOSE FROM, IF THAT'S HOW YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE FOR REPRESENTATIVES. WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS GOING ON CURRENTLY WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE REPRESENTATIVES. IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH YOU ALL PRESENTING THEM TO. TO US, WE ARE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A STEERING COMMITTEE FOR OUR ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. WE ALSO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TEAM ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT NAMES FOR YOU TO CHOOSE. BUT THE MAIN THING IS WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE UPDATE AND WORKING WITH ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION, AND THE ASK IS TO GIVE PERMISSION FOR THE CITY TO TO ENGAGE THROUGH THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR COUNCIL? I THINK, COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR SMITH, QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW SOON WOULD YOU NEED, I GUESS, IF YOU WOULD GIVE US A TIME, CERTAIN TO GIVE YOU THOSE NAMES SO THAT IT DOESN'T LINGER IN TERMS OF WHENEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT STEERING COMMITTEE TOGETHER TO ENGAGE A. HOW SOON WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THOSE NAMES? WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION. THEY'VE GIVEN US A DEADLINE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE GET THE THE SIGNATURES FOR THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A TIMELINE FOR WHEN WE'LL NEED THOSE NAMES BY. I DON'T HAVE IT THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE HAVE IT ENGAGED INTO THE CONTRACT YET, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY BE SENDING IT OUT FOR YOU WITH THE TIMELINE. OKAY. AND SO FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S REQUIRED, I GUESS IT WILL TAKE PLACE NEXT MONDAY. FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT. WE WOULD LIKE FOR THAT ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION TO BE AT THAT MEETING. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY MOVING THE PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REWRITE TO NOVEMBER THE 2ND, AND WE HAVE ADVERTISED FOR NOVEMBER THE 2ND, AND WE INTEND FOR ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION TO BE HERE TO PROVIDE FOR PRESENTATION BEFORE THIS BODY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, I YIELD. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. THANK YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLEAR ON THE ASK. IT'S IT'S TO SIGN OFF SO THAT WE CAN START THIS PROCESS. CORRECT. ATLANTA. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, IF THAT'S IT, THEN YEAH, I, I WOULD CONSENT TO IT. I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SEEING THE EXISTING PLAN AND JUST KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED VERSUS WHAT'S OUTSTANDING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM WHAT'S NEEDED HERE. AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE RIGHT EXISTING. YES. THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ONE OF THE EXERCISES THAT WE GO THROUGH.

OKAY. TO SEE WHERE WE MOVE THROUGH THE 2022 PLAN. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE EXERCISES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO RUN THROUGH TO SEE WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED. IS THERE ANY COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROCESS? THERE IS NO CAUSE. THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT AT CITY OF EAST POINT IS IN THE ATLANTA

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REGIONAL COMMISSION. AND SO WHATEVER WE'RE WE'RE IN IT. SO IT'S A A NO FEE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. OKAY. NO FEES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. GOT IT. AND I GUESS LAST QUESTION WHILE I HAVE YOU, HOW DO WE TRACK LIKE THE PROGRESS OF BUILDING OUT THESE UPDATES OR THIS NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? AND THEN WHAT IS THE INVOLVEMENT FROM COUNCIL? FROM COUNCIL? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE'S THERE'S A PROJECT TIMELINE. THE CITY, THE ATLANTA REGIONAL COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 2ND, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PROVIDE A DEDICATED TIMELINE ON WHAT IS EXPECTED, THE INPUT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IN A NUTSHELL, THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THERE ARE CERTAIN COMMUNITY OUTREACH COMPONENTS THAT HAVE TO BE ADHERED TO, AND SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT DETAILED TIMELINE WHEN THEY SPEAK AND PROVIDE THE FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY INITIATING THE UPDATE ON NOVEMBER THE 2ND. OKAY. THANK YOU. I YIELD. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? NOPE. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR SMITH. AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AND I KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS INFORMED AND EXCITED TO SEE THE WORK THAT

[IV.15. P2026U-002-07 and P2026VC-001-07 Use Permit FOR Private School with 4 Part Concurrent Variance Request Property Located at 2956 Hogan Rd (0.3708 +/- Acres) (PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED)]

YOU'LL GET THROUGH. OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR FOR PART CURRENT VARIANCE REQUEST ITEM NUMBER 15 FOR DISCUSSION IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER 15, KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER P20262-002-07, AND P2026-001 AND 007. THIS IS A VARIANCE WITH CONCURRENT VARIANCES. THE APPLICANT IS ASHLEY MCFARLAND. THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS OUR RESIDENTIAL LIMITED ZONING DISTRICT, AND THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.3.0.37 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

THERE IS A FOUR PART CONCURRENT VARIANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. THE PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL LIMITED. AS STATED, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES SUPPORT PRIVATE SCHOOLS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. HOWEVER, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, THE VARIANCE. IS A FOUR PART CONCURRENT VARIANCE. THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH PRIVATE SCHOOLS WITHIN THIS AREA. IF YOU LOOK ON THE TABLE, MINIMUM LOT AREA SHALL BE FOUR ACRES. THIS PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.37 ACRES, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY SHY OF FOUR ACRES. THE SECOND DEVELOPMENT STANDARD FOR THE VARIANCE BUILDINGS AND REFUSE AREAS SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 100FT OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PICTURE, IT'S LOCATED ON THE CORNER IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS WOULD BE LESS THAN 100FT FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENT. AS SHOWN ON THE TABLE. IT'S ABOUT TEN FEET AWAY. THE NEXT VARIANCE IS FOR ACTIVE OUTDOOR RECREATION. AREAS SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 100FT OF ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OR USE. AGAIN. THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF HOGAN AND DOGWOOD AND IT WAS.

IT IS WITHIN APPROXIMATELY TEN FEET OF AN ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. OUR USE AND. THE FOURTH VARIANCE IS FOR STUDENT DROP OFF AND VEHICULAR TURNAROUND FACILITIES SHALL BE PROVIDED ON SITE, SO THE VEHICLE MAY ENTER THE PUBLIC STREET IN A FORWARD MANNER.

AGAIN, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. IF YOU COULD SEE ON THE AERIAL THERE IS A DRIVEWAY.

HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THE TRAFFIC TO MOVE IN AND OUT IN SORT OF THE HORSESHOE TYPE OF DRIVEWAY THAT IS MANDATED BY THE BY THE CODE. SO THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES IN REFERENCE TO THIS CASE, STAFF DID RECOMMEND DENIAL AND PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. AND THE CONDITION WAS THAT NO MORE THAN SIX CHILDREN ARE ALLOWED AT THE SCHOOL. AND THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WHAT KIND OF SCHOOL IS IS THIS A DAYCARE CENTER OR. IT'S A SCHOOL? THE THE APPLICATION WAS FOR 10 TO 12 CHILDREN. AND IT IS A IT IT'S JUST A SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOL

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THAT WILL BE HELD IN THE BASEMENT OF AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. OKAY. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS, THIS, THIS PROPERTY HERE, IT'S ACTUALLY AROUND THE CORNER FROM MY HOUSE.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A DAYCARE. I KNOW, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE. YEAH. THIS SLIDE HERE AND THE VARIANCES THAT THEY HAVE ON HERE. I KNOW ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THE THE STUDENT DROP OFF. BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF SCHOOL IT IS. IF IT'S GOING TO BE A, A DAYCARE OR NO. AND I KNOW THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, IT'S NOT A DAYCARE, IT'S NOT A DAYCARE. SO IT'S AN ACTUAL SCHOOL. IT'S A PROPOSAL. IT'S PROPOSED FOR A SCHOOL, PRIVATE SCHOOL, SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOL IN THE BASEMENT OF A OF A HOME. WAS THE APPLICANT OKAY WITH THE SIX KIDS? IT REALLY WOULD HAVE HELPED IF THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE. SO WE COULD KIND OF ASK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. YEAH. I, I CAN'T, I ACTUALLY, I NEED TO ASK HER SOME QUESTIONS. SO THAT'S FINE. I'M GOOD. I YIELD. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS YES, TO ANSWER COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS QUESTIONS, I THINK NOW THEY'RE CALLING THEM MICRO SCHOOLS. SO AM I CORRECT IN THE DESCRIPTION LITTLE MICRO SCHOOL OTHER THAN A DAYCARE, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT IS TRENDING IN THE EDUCATION FIELD, LIKE A LITTLE MICRO SCHOOL. SO IT MAY BE A HOME SCHOOL TYPE. SO WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE TERM MICRO SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE WAS RECENTLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE GEORGIA STATE CODE THAT ACTUALLY PROHIBITED REGULATIONS, OKAY, FOR MICRO SCHOOLS. SO THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL DID NOT. DID NOT QUALIFY TO BE A MICRO SCHOOL BASED ON THE GEORGIA DEFINITION. AND IT IS I MEAN, IT'S JUST A SMALL TYPE OF PRIVATE SCHOOL THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PROVIDE SERVICES INSIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL HOME.

OKAY. ON PAGE 167, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH SAYS IT'S A PROPOSED MICRO SCHOOL OR AN ACADEMIC POD OF GEORGIA POD IS PROBABLY THE THE BETTER DESCRIPTION. OKAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, MICRO SCHOOL HAS A SPECIFIC DEFINITION. AND IF IT DID QUALIFY FOR THE CITY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO IMPOSE ANY REGULATIONS AS FAR AS WHETHER THEY COULD SITE OR HAVE THEIR FACILITY THERE OR NOT. SO WE JUST WANT TO BE SPECIFIC. POD SCHOOL IS PROBABLY A BETTER DEFINITION. SO ACADEMIC POD, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING IN THIS.

OKAY. I KNOW, I MEAN, PEOPLE USE THEM INTERCHANGEABLY IN THE FIELD OF EDUCATION BETWEEN, I MEAN, DURING COVID, IT WAS A MICRO SCHOOL OR ACADEMIC POD. SO NOW WE'RE OKAY. ACADEMIC POD.

AND TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS QUESTION IS IT IS THE APPLICANT OKAY WITH SIX CHILDREN BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE SIX CAN FIT? AND THEN I DIDN'T SEE THE HOURS OF OPERATION BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I GREW UP IN A HOME DAYCARE THAT WAS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO IT IS BENEFICIAL. BUT IS THE APPLICANT OKAY WITH JUST THE SIX CHILDREN? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, AND I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND. I WOULDN'T WANT TO MISSPEAK FOR THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I WILL EMAIL MY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE THROUGHOUT THE PAPERWORK, IT'S USED INTERCHANGEABLY, BUT I'LL I'LL JUST REQUEST MORE INFORMATION. AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS FIRST, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. THANK YOU. COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE, HOW HOW WOULD WE ENFORCE THE SIX CHILDREN? LIKE, ARE THERE PERIODIC CHECKS OR LIKE, HOW WOULD THAT HOW WOULD WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE? HOW WILL WE KNOW IF THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SIX CHILDREN? WELL, WE REALLY WE WOULDN'T KNOW. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WRITTEN ON THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AS FAR AS THE CONDITION, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN AND IT WAS EXPOSED THAT THEY DID HAVE

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MORE THAN SIX, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BE I GUESS THEY WOULD HAVE TO. BE TAKEN CARE OF FROM A REGULATION PERSPECTIVE, WE PROBABLY CITATIONS OR REGULATIONS. OKAY.

DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY OUTSTANDING, LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS OR COMPLAINTS OR PERMITTING ISSUES AT THIS LOCATION PRIOR? WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. BUT AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WE DEFINITELY COULD LOOK INTO THAT BEFORE NEXT WEEK, BEFORE MONDAY. OKAY. IT'D BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. AND DIRECTOR SMITH, I'M SORRY, JUST A REFRESH. MY MEMORY. THIS PART OF THE PROCESS IS THIS IS THIS WHEN THE COMMUNITY GETS LIKE THE INFORMATION OR ABOUT I FORGET THE NAME OF THE DOCUMENT. BUT WHEN YOU SEND OUT THE COMMUNITY, THE INFORMATION FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KIND OF COMMUNITIES ON THE INFORMATION.

YEAH. IS THIS A PART IS THAT PART OF THE PROCESS NOW OR AFTER THE NEXT? THE COMMUNITY ZONING INFORMATION MEETING? IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE FRONT END OF THE THE ZONING PROCESS. AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT PART. GOTCHA. PROCESS ALREADY. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHEN THEY WILL BE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN ATKINS. YES, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR SMITH, I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON COUNCILMEMBER CALDWELL'S QUESTION REGARDING THE CONDITION, THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN. SO IF THEY ARE VIOLATED OR IN VIOLATION OF THAT, WOULD THAT NOT REVOKE THEIR VARIANCES OR THEIR USE PERMIT? BECAUSE THE USE PERMIT THEN WOULD BE GRANTED ON THE CONDITION THAT THEY DON'T GO ABOVE SIX? NOT NECESSARILY. STAFF COULD SUBMIT FOR REVOKING THE LICENSE IF THEY ARE FOUND IN VIOLATION. THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN FOR ANY OF NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT ANY PROJECT WHERE THE THE OWNER, THE APPLICANT IS IN VIOLATION OF A CONDITION. WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE SITUATIONS? CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD WRITE UP THE VIOLATION AND THEN THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ACCOUNTABILITY THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT. OKAY, SO IT COULD BE FINES OR IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS. OKAY. THANK YOU, I YIELD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. HEARING NONE,

[IV.16. P2026RZ-001-08 & P2026VC-001-08 Rezoning Request for Property Located at 0 Hammarskjold Dr, Parcel(S) # 13 000200020207, 13 000200020215, & 13 000200020223 Rezoning For Rezoning From R-1 Single Family Residential District to CUP Community Unit Plan District with A concurrent Variance from Minimum CUP Size in Section 10-2068(F)(C) (PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED)]

WE CAN MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 16 NOW. SO IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER 16. AND I JUST WANT TO STATE IN ADVANCE THAT THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING. THEY ARE ACTUALLY A GROUP OUT OF FLORIDA AND WERE IMPACTED BY THE INCLEMENT WEATHER. SO THEY'RE NOT HERE, BUT THEY WILL BE HERE ON MONDAY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT UP FRONT, BUT IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM, IT'S KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER P2026RZ, THAT'S 001 AND 08-08. THERE IS A CONCURRENT VARIANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS BAY COUNTY BUILDERS. THE CURRENT ZONING IS R ONE AND IT IS ABOUT AN ACRE, A LITTLE UNDER AN ACRE IN SIZE.

AND THE REQUEST IS FOR REZONING FROM R ONE TO Q P COMMUNITY UNIT PLAN DISTRICT WITH A CONCURRENT VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE PROJECT TO BE LESS THAN TEN CONTIGUOUS ACRES. AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA IS GROWING RESIDENTIAL TYPICAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THIS AREA IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

R1ARLRT R2R3R4QP, WHICH IS THE ZONING THAT THEY'RE SEEKING. MXI IN AGRICULTURE. ON THE LAND USE MAP YOU SEE THAT IT'S ADJACENT TO A SCHOOL. IT IT FEEDS INTO A SCHOOL. IT'S KIND OF ON A DEAD END STREET INTO A SCHOOL. IT'S KIND OF TUCKED AWAY. AND IT'S THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE LIGHT BLUE AREA. PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH SEVEN CONDITIONS. THE CONDITION CONDITION NUMBER ONE IS DEVELOPMENT SHALL CONSIST OF NO MORE THAN TEN UNITS. THEY ASKED FOR 12. CONDITION NUMBER TWO. THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ADHERE TO. PARKING STANDARDS SPECIFIED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. OFF STREET PARKING. CONDITION

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NUMBER THREE. DEVELOPMENT SHALL ADHERE TO THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING SETBACKS. TEN FEET FOR FIVE FOR SIDE AND TEN FOR REAR. CONDITION NUMBER FOUR. MINIMUM PERIMETER SETBACK SHALL BE FIVE FEET. SET. SETBACK SHALL BE IMPROVED. SHALL PROVIDE IMPROVED LANDSCAPE AREAS TO PROVIDE SCREENING FOR ADJACENT PROPERTIES. CONDITION NUMBER FIVE. MINIMUM HEATED FLOOR AREA FOR THE DWELLING UNIT SHALL BE 1000FT SQUARE FEET. AN AREA CONDITION NUMBER SIX. NO ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SHALL BE PERMITTED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND CONDITION NUMBER SEVEN DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ADHERE TO ARTICLE C, SECTION TEN DASH 2068 POINT F IN FIVE AGREEMENTS, COVENANTS, DECLARATION AND OTHER CONTRACTS WHICH GOVERN THE USE, MAINTENANCE AND PROTECTION FOR THE CUP DEVELOPMENT AMONG ITS OWNERS AREAS SHALL BE PART OF AN OFFICIAL ZONING FILE. CHANGES THERETO SHALL HAVE NO FORCE AND EFFECT UNTIL THE COPY HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED ON THIS PROJECT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I REALLY WISH THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT. THIS IS A MICRO COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE PROPOSING 12 SMALLER TYPE UNITS ON THE ACRE. BUT WE'RE REALLY NOT AT AT LIBERTY TO PRESENT THEIR CASE FOR THEM. THEY WILL BE HERE ON MONDAY TO PROVIDE FOR MORE DETAILS AND INFORMATION. STAFF DID UPLOAD THEIR PROPOSAL TO MINUTE TRACK. IF YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND AROUND THEIR PACKET TO YOU SEPARATELY, AN EMAIL IF THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU AS WELL. IN LIEU OF THEM NOT BEING HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I REMEMBER GOING DOWN TO SAVANNAH AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT MICRO COMMUNITIES. BUT THEN AFTER I HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, I KIND OF PULLED BACK BECAUSE PEOPLE WEREN'T NECESSARILY OWNING THE LAND, THAT WHATEVER WAS BEING PROPOSED. BUT WITH THIS, MY FIRST QUESTION IS IF SOMEONE IS INTERESTED IN A HOME LIKE THIS MICRO COMMUNITY, WILL THEY OWN THE HOME? YES, IT WILL BE THEIR SPECIFIC PROPERTY. NOW, I DID NOT GET THE OPPORTUNITY. AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE SIZE OF THE HOME? I KNOW IT'S IN HERE.

I THUMB THROUGH HERE. CAN YOU PULL IT UP SO THAT THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 1000FT■!S, 1000FT■!S? CAN YOU PULL IT UP? O IF PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AT HOME, THEY CAN SEE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. YES, I HAVE IT IN MY. I HAVE IT IN THE PACKET HERE. YOU CAN SEE IT HERE. 8000FT■!S.

YEAH. IT'S. YES. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE THE PRESENTATION. ALRIGHT. IT IS IN HERE IN PAPER IN THE.

YES. THE FORMAT THAT I LIKE. BUT IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY AREN'T BUILDING BIGGER HOUSES.

AND THEN I DIDN'T SEE THE PRICE POINT FOR THESE HOMES BASED ON THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY PROVIDED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO DATE, THEIR INTENT IS TO GO FOR A MARKET FOR THE MIDDLE HOUSING COMPONENT. THE THE HOUSING SIZE ARE ABOUT 1000FT■!. THAT'S THE MINIMUM HOUSING SIZE.

WHAT WAS YOUR SECOND QUESTION? I GUESS BECAUSE I DID GO TO A TINY HOME COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE BEING USED FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY WERE SUBPAR. TO DATE, TO DATE, TO DATE, AS PRESENTED THROUGH THE PROCESS. THUS FAR, THE MATERIALS ARE VERY ESTHETICALLY PLEASING. YEAH. THE PICTURES. I WISH YOU WERE ABLE TO. BUT PROCEED. THEY'LL

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BE HERE NEXT MONDAY. THEY WILL BE HERE MONDAY TO PRESENT. THE MATERIALS ARE VERY ESTHETICALLY PLEASING. ONE OF THE EXAMPLES ARE. HOUSING TYPE HAS THE. THE. THE GLASS WITH BLACK FRAME WINDOWS, FULL WINDOWS. THEY'RE KIND OF MODERN, BUT CABIN TYPE. SO I'LL BE EXCITED ON MONDAY FOR THEM TO COME. ALRIGHT, MY OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT THIS WON'T TURN INTO MAYBE AIRBNB RENTAL. WE ARE TARGETING HOME OWNERS AND THIS IS FOR ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR THOSE PEOPLE. FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE AT AN INCOME BRACKET LIKE OUR TEACHERS, FIREMEN, POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE STARTING OUT, ATTAINABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS A PHRASE THAT OUR CURRENT MAYOR COINED. QUITE SOME TIME AGO. BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE PRICE POINT FOR THESE HOMES? THE PRICE POINT WAS UNDER 200. WHAT? BASED ON WHAT THEIR PRESENTATION WAS? OKAY, I'LL YIELD. OKAY. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR SMITH. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY INTERESTING PROJECT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE HOUSING AFFORDABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY OR, YOU KNOW, GIVING OUR RESIDENTS INCOMING RESIDENTS OPTIONS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME MORE OPTIONS THAT DEFINITELY WILL PROVIDE NEW OPTIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR SURE. SO BE EXCITED TO SEE THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. ALL RIGHT. YOU

[IV.17. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Zoning Application P2026RZ-002-08 Request to Rezone Property Located at 3380 and 3384 Harrison Rd from R-1A (Urban Residential) Zoning District to R-T (Zoning District with Concurrent Variances to Reduce Minimum Side and Front Yard Setbacks in Sec 10-2069(E)(C) and (F) PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED]

HAVE ONE MORE. YES. ITEM NUMBER 17 ON THE AGENDA KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER P 2026. RZ-002-08. THIS IS ALSO A REZONING REQUEST WITH CONCURRENT VARIANCES. THE APPLICANT IS TIMOTHY HELMS WITH FUZE DESIGN STUDIO. THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS R1A, WHICH IS OUR URBAN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE FROM R1A TO R T, WHICH IS OUR RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOME ZONING DISTRICT, WITH CONCURRENT VARIANCES FROM THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACKS. AS STATED, THIS IS A COPY OF THE ZONING MAP. THE PROPERTIES ARE THE TWO PARCELS OUTLINED IN THE LIGHT BLUE. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS TRADITIONAL URBAN, NEIGHBORHOOD AND TYPICAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN TRADITIONAL URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD IS R1RLR1ART, WHICH IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THIS ZONING APPLICATION. AND THE MAP IS SHOWN ABOVE AS WELL. TO SHOW THE PARCELS, STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND DENIAL OF THE CONCURRENT VARIANCE FOR THE REDUCTION IN SETBACK, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THREE CONDITIONS. THE THREE CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE DEVELOPMENT SHALL CONSIST OF NO MORE THAN FOUR DWELLING UNITS.

CONDITION NUMBER TWO DEVELOPMENT SHALL HEAR TO ALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE R T RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT. CONDITION NUMBER THREE. THE PROJECT SHALL NOT BE USED FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE CONCURRENT VARIANCE AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS YES. JUST ONE QUESTION. IS THERE A VISUAL OF HOW THE APPLICANT PLANS TO SITUATE THE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE TOWNHOMES ON THE PROPERTY? YES. MR. HOLMES. GOOD EVENING. I THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. WOW. THIS IS A HUGE COMMITMENT. SO I APPLAUD THAT. FIRST OF ALL, I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED AT OUR LAST MEETING. UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE ARE APPROVED WITH THESE CONDITIONS. THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE WILL NOT ACTUALLY WORK WITH THESE CONDITIONS. HOWEVER, WE DID MEET WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO LOOK AT BEING ABLE

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TO MEET THESE CONDITIONS, AND WE WE CERTAINLY CAN. SO THE OWNER IS COMMITTED TO RE REDESIGNING THE SITE SO WE CAN MEET THESE. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE. BUT JUST KNOW WHAT YOU'D SEE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE WHAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED ON THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS. OH SORRY. I DIDN'T SEE PULLING UP THE ANSWER. LET'S SEE. TWO SLIDES I THINK OVER. THERE. ONE MORE. AND CAN WE ZOOM IN. WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. THAT'S THAT'S PERFECT. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE SORRY. WE'LL NEED THE NEXT SLIDE. SORRY. YEAH THERE WE ARE.

SO THERE'S ALREADY A CURB CUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO PROPERTIES. SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE ATTACHED WITH A DIVIDING WALL PARTITION WALL. AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY SEPARATES THOSE TWO. SO MUCH LIKE A DUPLEX SIDE BY SIDE. THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD SEE HERE. NOW WITH THE CONDITIONS, WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY END UP HAPPENING IS IT WOULD GET LONGER. SO WE WOULD HAVE A UNIT UP FRONT AND A UNIT IN THE BACK, BOTH WITH DOORS FACING HARRISON ROAD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WILL YOU HAVE AN UPDATED VERSION OF THIS FOR MONDAY'S MEETING? BASED ON THE CONDITIONS? WE CERTAINLY CAN PROVIDE THAT, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU, I YIELD. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO CONFIRM, WE HAVE ITEMS COMING BACK FOR THE NEXT MEET. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE DATES FOR THE ITEMS AND WHEN THEY'RE COMING BACK FROM 14 TO 17. OKAY? OKAY.

EVERYTHING'S COMING BACK ON MONDAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. NEXT WE ARE AT ITEM NUMBER 35.

[IV.35. Council Discussion and Possible Action to Request Funding to Purchase an E-ONE Fire Apparatus (Truck), from Vendor, Fireline, Inc., from GA State Contract #99999-SPDES40199373-002. NOT TO EXCEED: $893,300.00]

FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE E ONE FIRE APPARATUS TRUCK. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. WILLIAM TATE, DEPUTY CHIEF OF OPERATIONS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST FUNDING FOR PURCHASE OF AN E-1 FIRE APPARATUS FROM THE VENDOR FIRE LINE NOT TO EXCEED $893,300. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS.

SURE. THANK YOU, CHIEF TATE. AND THIS AMOUNT, WAS IT ALREADY IN THE BUDGET AND APPROVED FOR THIS E ONE FIRE APPARATUS? NO. NOT MICROPHONE. NO. THE MONEY WAS NOT BUDGETED. WE LOST AN ENGINE IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF SEPTEMBER 22ND IN AN ACCIDENT. THE VEHICLE WAS PARKED ON AN EMERGENCY SCENE ON 285 WHEN A DRIVER REAR ENDED IT, CAUSING SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO WHERE THE ENGINE CANNOT BE REPAIRED. OKAY, SO WE WILL WE GET ANY SORT OF INSURANCE FROM THAT ACCIDENT? I DON'T HAVE THOSE FIGURES AS FAR AS INSURANCE. AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WOULD BE COVERED FROM INSURANCE, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WOULD BE COVERED FROM INSURANCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MADAM DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD GET? I THINK YOU JUST PROMOTED ME TO ATTORNEY, BUT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION YET. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY INFORMATION BACK FROM OUR INSURANCE BROKER.

SO. OKAY, I HAVE CALLS OUT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, CHIEF TATE. SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, I KNOW THAT THE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WAS SOME OF THAT REAR ENDED THE ENGINE. AND THE

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ENGINE IS A TOTAL LOSS. COMPLETE, CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S AN ENGINE OR A TRUCK. IT WAS AN ENGINE. IT'S AN ENGINE. SO THE ENGINE IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO CARRY THE WATER. YES.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, ARE WE ABLE TO RECOUP ANY FUNDS FROM THE INDIVIDUAL THAT STRUCK THE REAR OF THE APPARATUS? OKAY, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION YET. LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. WE'RE STILL FINDING OUT MORE MORE ABOUT IT. OKAY, SO THE REPLACEMENT COST TO AT LEAST KNOW WHAT THE REPLACEMENT COST WILL BE FOR A NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. EXCUSE ME. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? THE REPLACEMENT COST FOR NEW ENGINE? YES. HOW? WHAT'S THE. IS THAT THE PRICE? THE 893,000? YES. NOT TO EXCEED 893,000 893,000. SO WHAT WE LOOK AT I THINK WOULD BE WHATEVER THE DEDUCTIBLE FROM THE INDIVIDUAL'S INSURANCE.

MADAM INTERIM CITY MANAGER, WHAT IS OUR DEDUCTIBLE WITH THE CITY? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR DEDUCTIBLE IS $250,000. AND THAT ALSO IS PART OF THE CALL TO CONFIRM THAT. AND SO ANYTHING OVER 250 IS WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD REIMBURSE FOR. OKAY. AND I DO.

SO I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST REALLY FINDING OUT WHAT THE OUT OF POCKET COST WOULD BE FOR THE CITY. SO THE ALTERNATE, THE CHOICES THAT WE HAVE, IS THERE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS READILY THAT WE COULD PURCHASE NOW? BECAUSE I KNOW NORMALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 30 MONTHS TO CUSTOM BUILD ANY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR? MOST LIKELY YES. OR A DEMO. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR, WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND TIME ON GETTING THAT BACK TO THE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IT HERE IN THE CITY. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. I'D HAVE TO GET IT BACK TO YOU. OKAY. WHILE BRINGING SOME OF MY JUST SOME ATLANTA STUFF. NORMALLY, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BUY OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE FROM A MONTH OR TWO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY PROBABLY HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT HERE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, ANOTHER QUESTION IN THE $893,000, LESS THAN $250,000 DEDUCTIBLE, LESS WHAT THE THE PERSON THAT STRUCK THE ENGINE, WHATEVER THEY WERE, WHATEVER THEIR INSURANCE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RECOUP FROM THAT, AS WELL AS WHATEVER THE INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD GIVE US. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE REMAINDER WOULD HAVE TO BE WE COULD FINANCE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY FINANCE IT. CORRECT? CORRECT. BUT WITH OUR CURRENT STATUS, OUR FINANCIAL STATUS, ARE WE ABLE TO FINANCE A VEHICLE AT THIS TIME? I'M NOT SURE ON THAT INFORMATION. I KNOW WE I'VE BEEN I WAS TOLD THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO LEASE FROM ANY COMPANIES. THE COMPANY THAT WE NORMALLY LEASE FROM WON'T ALLOW US TO LEASE AGAIN.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. SO FINANCING WOULD BE DIFFICULT. OKAY. SO IF NOT, IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO FINANCE AND I DON'T KNOW. INTERIM CITY MANAGER, ARE WE ABLE TO FINANCE A VEHICLE THAT CAN STOP A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT? SO THE INITIAL REQUEST AND THE CONVERSATION HAS CENTERED SOLELY AROUND THE PURCHASE OF A DEMO, RIGHT, WHICH WE'RE NOT FINANCING. IT'S A CASH PURCHASE. CORRECT. IN FINANCING. WHICH I UNDERSTAND IT'S $9,000 A MONTH. I WAS TOLD EARLIER TODAY THAT DUE TO OUR CREDIT SITUATION, OUR. WE COULD NOT. THAT. AND THAT IS A FINANCE. SO. AND IT'S ALSO IT'S ALSO A A BUY IN OF A YEAR. SO WE WOULD SPEND $108,000. PLUS THERE IS THE UPFITTING. PLUS THERE WOULD ALSO BE MILEAGE. SO I HONESTLY DON'T HAVE THAT CONTRACT. I CAN WORK WITH THEM TO, TO REVIEW THE CONTRACT. BUT THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT THIS DEMO IS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HOLDING IT, BUT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF AN INTENT TO PURCHASE, OTHERWISE WE WILL LOSE IT. SO THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH CHIEF THORNTON. SO THE THING IS WE AREN'T ABLE TO SECURE WE'RE UNABLE TO FINANCE ANY PORTION OF IT. SO THE $893,000 THAT'S GOING TO SOLELY BE ON THE CITY TO EITHER PURCHASE OR EVEN TO TO LEASE. BUT BECAUSE OUR CREDIT SITUATION IS WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY, OUR LEASE WON'T EVEN BE EXTENDED TO US. THAT'S MY THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AT THIS TIME. SO IF A LEASE IS NOT EXTENDED TO US, WHAT THAT MEANS IS IN ORDER FOR US TO REPLACE THE EQUIPMENT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PURCHASE, AND THE PURCHASE PRICE ON THE ENGINE IS

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GOING TO BE $893,000. CHIEF TAIT, CAN YOU JUST LET THEM KNOW JUST WHAT THE THE IMPACT THAT IS CURRENTLY ON OUR STAFFING AND JUST WITH COVERAGE? WELL, IT LEFT A TEMPORARY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. AFTER THE ACCIDENT, WE MOVED THE ENGINE FROM STATION FOUR. AND AGAIN, THE ENGINES, THE TRUCK THAT CARRIES THE WATER OUT TO STATION THREE, SO WE CAN HAVE WATER COVERAGE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CITY. AND WE LEFT OUR LADDER TRUCK WAS, WHICH IS OUR AERIAL APPARATUS IN THE MIDDLE OF CITY AT STATION FOUR THAT CAN STILL RESPOND TO CALLS TO. SO IT IS URGENT THAT WE DO GET A REPLACEMENT ENGINE SO WE CAN FILL THAT VOID IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. THANK YOU. SO ULTIMATELY, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IF A HOUSE IS WHICH STATION IS THE THAT THE ENGINE WAS DAMAGED OUT OF WHICH STATION IS THAT? IT WAS DAMAGED OUT OF STATION THREE OFF OF NORTH COMMERCE AND CAMP CREEK. SO WE MOVED THE ENGINE FROM STATION FOUR, WHICH IS ON BEN HILL ROAD TO STATION THREE ON NORTH COMMERCE. SO WE WOULD HAVE COVERAGE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CITY, MEANING THE WEST SIDE AND EAST SIDE. SO STATION FOUR THAT'S ON BEN HILL ROAD DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE AN ENGINE. IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ENGINE. WE DO HAVE AN AERIAL APPARATUS. IT DOESN'T HAVE WATER ON IT, BUT IT DOES HAVE A CREW. AND THEN WE HAVE A RESCUE TRUCK AND AN AIR LIGHT TRUCK THAT ALSO HAS A CREW. SO WE HAVE PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE AN ENGINE OR TRUCK WITH WATER AT THE STATION FOUR, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY TECHNICALLY. THANK YOU. SO LET THE RECORD STATE, IF ANYTHING, ON THE LEXINGTON, THE LOW ACROSS THE STREET IN THAT AREA CATCHES ON FIRE. I MEAN, WE WILL EVENTUALLY GET THERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE A DELAYED RESPONSE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A UNIT OF ENGINE COMING FROM CAMP CREEK, THE NORTH, THAT'S THE NORTH COMMERCE AREA OR FROM NORMAN, NORMAN, BARRY, NORMAN, BARRY. SO IT DEFINITELY IMPACTS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A HARD, HARD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG BUY. BUT I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED. SO I MEAN, WE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE FUNDS ARE GOING TO COME FROM. AND I THINK JUST REALLY TO ALSO JUST GET SOME BETTER NUMBERS ON AS FAR AS WHAT THE, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SLAMMED INTO, WHO DAMAGED THE, THE ENGINE, WHAT THEIR DEDUCTIBLE WOULD I MEAN, WHAT THEIR WHAT COVERAGE THEY HAVE THAT WOULD BE OWED TO THE CITY. OKAY. WHAT ONCE THEY TOTAL OUT THE ENGINE, HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY WOULD WE BE ABLE TO RECOUP FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY? BECAUSE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT IS SOLELY GOING TO BE ON THE CITY. SO EVEN IF LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS $100,000 THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET FROM THE INDIVIDUAL THAT HIT THE BACK OF THE ENGINE, AND IF THEY GAVE US 350,000 TO REPLACE THE APPARATUS THAT WAS DAMAGED, THAT'S $450,000. SO WE STILL HAVE WE STILL WE'RE LOOKING FOR 890. OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL NEED TO CONSIDER WITH REGARDS TO HAVING THIS APPARATUS REPLACED. I GUESS, COULD SOMEONE FROM SOMEONE HERE FROM FINANCE STILL TO JUST SAY WHERE THESE FUNDS COULD POTENTIALLY COME FROM? MISS CARTWRIGHT IS HERE. HOWEVER, I DID CONFIRM WITH HER THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO USE AND WE COULD USE FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES. SHE WAS HERE. SHE MIGHT HAVE LEFT. OKAY, OKAY. IT'S A LOT. SO WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT I MAKE, I GUESS. WHAT IS IT? ONCE WE GET THE DEFINITE NUMBERS MAKING A DECISION ON. I MEAN, WILL YOU SAY IF THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE GENERAL GENERAL FUNDS RESERVE? IS THIS AN ITEM THAT'S GOING TO CONSENT OR. I MEAN. BUT I YIELD WITH REGARDS TO MY QUESTION DURING WORK SESSION THAT. COUNCIL. ARE YOU DONE FOR? YOU'RE DONE. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS. AND MAY I, MADAM MAYOR? CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR EXPERTISE? AND ALSO YOU TWO, CHIEF TATE, THE DEMO TRUCK, IS IT LIKE GETTING A CAR OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR? LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE MILES ON THE TRUCK, THE USAGE ON THE TRUCK? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE DEMO TRUCK MAY BE THE MOST FEASIBLE FOR US TO PURCHASE. I JUST LIKE TO HEAR

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FROM FROM BOTH OF YOU IN THAT ASPECT. YEAH, WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF TIMES, THE DEMO TRUCK IS A SHOW TRUCK. THAT DEALER MANUFACTURE TAKES AROUND. IT'S LIKE AN ADVERTISEMENT, SO IT DOES HAVE SOME MILES ON IT DUE TO, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING FROM DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES. BUT SO IT'S TECHNICALLY USED, BUT IT'S STILL LIKE A NEW TRUCK. IT HASN'T BEEN WORKED OUT RUNNING CALLS AND, AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, IS IT LIKE A TRUCK WITHIN THIS YEAR? LIKE, IS IT A 2026 TRUCK, 2025 TRUCK? DEFINITELY. IT WILL BE ONE OF THE NEWEST MODELS. OKAY.

ALRIGHT. AND THEN HOW LONG AFTER WE APPROVE THIS? THIS IS FOR THE ACTING CITY MANAGER.

CAN WE OBTAIN THE TRUCK? BECAUSE NOW THIS IS THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY. SO HOW LONG AFTER WE WELL, WE KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM. HOW LONG WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET THE GET THE TRUCK? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TRUCK WOULD BE DELIVERED IN JANUARY. SO WE'D HAVE TWO MONTHS. EVEN AFTER WE APPROVE IT ON MONDAY. IT'LL COME TO US IN TWO MONTHS IN JANUARY. YES. OKAY. IS NOVEMBER. DECEMBER, JANUARY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, MONTHS, AND THIS IS THE IMPACT OF THAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NEEDS? ACTING CITY MANAGER AS FAR AS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY IS CONCERNED, I KNOW THAT I DID RECEIVE INFORMATION THAT THE POLICE NEEDED THEIR CARS OR UPDATED CARS. I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT UPDATED CARS, BUT THEY WANTED TO PURCHASE CARS AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO BECAUSE THE AUDIT WASN'T DONE. SO THAT INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN SHARED WITH ME. I HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH CHIEF. I AM SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH HIM TO DISCUSS SOME PERSONNEL.

COMPENSATION. I WILL BRING THAT UP. SO I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, IT WAS BROUGHT IT WAS BROUGHT UP.

I MENTIONED IT ON THE PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE A RESIDENT HAD ADVISED ME THAT BECAUSE OF THAT AUDIT, THAT THE POLICE, THEY WERE IN NEED OF CARS. SO IF YOU COULD FIND OUT WHAT OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS THAT MAY BE OUTSTANDING SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THEM AT ONE TIME, THAT WILL BE APPRECIATED. YES, MA'AM. I WILL. THANK YOU. CHIEF DEPUTY. CAN YOU COME BACK WITH THAT MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING OR VIA EMAIL? ABSOLUTELY. I SHOULD I WILL SPEAK WITH CHIEF BUCHANAN IN THE MORNING. I CAN PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO THAT. AS FAR AS THE CARS ARE CONCERNED, I CAN ALSO JUST, I GUESS, DO KIND OF A ROUND ROBIN AND SPEAK WITH FIRE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, AS WELL AS PUBLIC WORKS, JUST TO SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH RESPECT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS. I'M SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, SHE DIDN'T GO IN THE FIRST ROUND. GO AHEAD. COUNCILWOMAN. THANK YOU. MY ONE QUESTION OR TWO QUESTIONS? ONE, WHERE WAS THE MONEY COMING FROM COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH IS IN THERE. BUT THE SECOND PIECE IS, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AROUND LIKE A CONTINGENCY PLAN OR EMERGENCY FUND THAT WE WOULD TAP INTO, EVEN IF IT'S, WELL, ONE, DO WE HAVE ONE CURRENTLY, AND IS THERE A PLAN TO POSSIBLY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE ANTICIPATE EMERGENCIES COME UP, MAYBE NOT TO THE TUNE OF $800,000, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE? HOW ARE WE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THAT? WELL, AS FAR AS A CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR SOMETHING THAT LARGE OF AN ITEM, I DON'T THINK WE DO HAVE ANYTHING. OF COURSE, WE HAVE CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR A LOT SMALLER ITEMS. I DON'T WANT TO PUT A PRICE TAG ON IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNT FOR EQUIPMENT FAILURE, SMALL EQUIPMENT FAILURES. BUT CURRENTLY I DON'T KNOW OF ANY LARGE BUDGET ITEMS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE A RESERVE FOR. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN ATKINS.

YES. THANK YOU CHIEF. TAKE THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION OF OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER. SO WITH THIS AND UNDERSTANDING THE NECESSITY TO REPLACE THIS ENGINE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING, THAT WE WILL BE MADE WHOLE BECAUSE WE'VE LOST AN ENGINE OF NO FAULT OF OUR OWN? AND SO SOMEONE HAS TOTALED THAT BY RUNNING INTO IT. AND SO WE'RE JUST MAYBE MAKING SURE THAT WE COVER THE COST OF THIS. BUT WE WOULD AT SOME POINT EITHER GET INSURANCE PAYMENT FROM THAT DRIVER THAT REAR ENDED THE ENGINE OR INSURANCE FROM OUR CARRIER. SO IS THIS A SITUATION THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE WOULD BE

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MADE WHOLE FROM THIS, OR WE'RE LOSING AN ENGINE, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ABSORBING THE COST TO REPLACE IT? THE ANTICIPATION IS NOT THAT WE'LL ABSORB ALL OF IT. WE WILL NOT BE MADE WHOLE.

THE YOUNG PERSON THAT RAN INTO THE BACK OF THE THE FIRE ENGINE AND TOTALED IT. WE ARE ESTIMATING WE MAY GET $30,000 FROM THAT, AND I AM CONFIRMING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT FOR OUR INSURANCE, IF OUR DEDUCTIBLE, IF OUR DEDUCTIBLE IS $250,000 BEFORE ANYTHING IS PAID, IT'LL BE WHATEVER IS OVER THAT. SO I'LL ADDRESS THAT IN THE EMAIL THAT I SEND TO YOU ALL, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW. AND THE OTHER THING IS, EVEN WITH THE ESTIMATION OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM THE INSURANCE, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THE INFORMATION, WHICH THEY MAY HAVE, THEY SHOULD HAVE. BUT THE AGE OF THE TRUCK, WHICH IS RELATIVELY NEW. THEY DEPRECIATE AS WELL, UNFORTUNATELY. SO HONESTLY, I HONESTLY, IF WE GET $400,000, THAT WOULD REALLY BE A LOT. SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW YET. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? YES, WE CAN CONSENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 36.

BEFORE WE DO ME, MAYOR, WE STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS ARE HERE.

COUNCILWOMAN HEMMINGS HAD THE 90 DAY PLAN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER FRIEDLI IS GOING TO DO. I'M SORRY, MADAM. MADAM CITY ACTING CITY ATTORNEY. ITEM NUMBER. WHICH ITEMS WERE YOU REFERRING TO? JUST TO MAKE SURE. NUMBER TEN. OKAY, SO YOU HAVE ITEM NUMBER TEN. I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT STAFF IS NEEDED FOR. OH, YOU SAID THAT'S THE LAST ONE IS STAFF IS HERE TO PRESENT. OKAY. SO WHO'S WHO'S PRESENTING FROM STAFF.

ASSISTANT DIRECTOR HALL AND DIRECTOR REEVES. OKAY. AND ON YOUR AT EACH OF YOUR SEATS THERE IS A 90 DAY PLAN COMPILED. SO WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS AND WE HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INFORMATION, BUT MR. WHITFIELD IS NOT HERE. DIRECTOR REEVES, CAN YOU ASSISTANT DIRECTOR HALL, COME UP, PLEASE?

[III.10. Council Discussion and Possible Action Regarding a 90-Day Downtown Project Coordination and Impact Briefing]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. JEFFREY REEVES, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND CORDELL HALL, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. WE'RE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR ITEM NUMBER TEN COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A 90 DAY DOWNTOWN PROJECT COORDINATION AND IMPACT BRIEFING. SO WE'LL PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON THE DOWNTOWN 90 DAY PROJECT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST TOWN HALL MEETING, WHICH WAS HELD HERE IN THE CITY HALL FOR WARD EIGHT. AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR HALL WILL PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU. GOOD EVENING. THE 90 DAY PLAN THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA. WE KIND OF BROKE IT DOWN BY INCREMENTS OF 30 DAYS, SIX DAYS, 90 DAYS, DESCRIBING THE ACTIVITIES FOR EACH LOCATION, EACH STREET RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN MULTIMODAL PROJECT. BASICALLY, WE OUTLINED THE PROGRESS AND THE EXPECTED MILESTONES THAT WE PLAN TO ACHIEVE TO HIT FOR EACH LOCATION KIND OF OUR COMMUNICATION PLAN. I, OUR SCHEDULING WITH THE BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT, AND JUST OUTLINING WHERE WE ANTICIPATE BEING UP TO 90 DAYS AND THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATE THAT WE ANTICIPATE THE PROJECT ENDING, WHICH WE HAVE. FEBRUARY 2027. BUT WE JUST DETAILED IN BULLET POINT WHERE WE PLAN TO

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HIT OUR MILESTONES FOR EACH TIME PERIOD. SO I WANT TO ANSWER ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE REGARDING THE PLAN. I'M SORRY, COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILMAN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.

THANK YOU, AND THANKS FOR PULLING THIS TOGETHER. BUT I'M JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. EARLIER TODAY, MADAM ACTING CITY MANAGER, YOU SENT A SHORT PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL MEMBER HEMMING AND MYSELF IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ABOUT PAVING WHITE WAY. IS THAT RELATED TO THIS AT ALL? HE'S REFERRING TO THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL GAVE ME THIS. WELL, YOU ACTUALLY SENT IT LAST WEEK. OKAY. AND I SENT IT OVER THIS MORNING. SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE WHITE WAY PAVING AT NIGHT. IN THE PRESENTATION WE PRESENTED THAT WE WERE GOING TO PAY PAY MAIN STREET AT NIGHT, WHICH IS LIKE A STATE ROUTE. YOU SEE A LOT OF TRAFFIC DURING THE DAYTIME. SO THE NIGHT TIME IS A PREFERRED METHOD OF PAVING, BUT THERE'S NO PLAN TO DO ANY NIGHT ACTIVITY ON WHITE WAY AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE SORT OF MITIGATION PLANS FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA FOR THE NOISE LEVELS AT NIGHT FOR ON ON MAIN STREET, RIGHT? YES. SO ONCE WE GET A SCHEDULE FROM THE CONTRACTOR ON THE DATES THAT WE PLAN ON, WE'LL BEGIN TO PUT DOWN COMMUNICATION. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE BEING ANY DISRUPTIONS TO ACCESS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, DETOURS RELATED TO PAVING AND STANDARD PAVING JOB ON THE STATE ROUTE. SO ONCE WE GET A FURTHER PLAN DEVELOPED WITH THE CONTRACTOR WILL BEGIN COMMUNICATING WITH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE PREFERRED HOURS AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE PLAN OF RESURFACING SO WE CAN GET EVERYTHING FINALIZED. OKAY. YES. AND WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD BE INTRUSIVE IN TERMS OF NOISE AND SO FORTH AT NIGHT FOR PEOPLE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA? WELL, WE WE CAN HAVE A SCHEDULE SO THAT WE'RE DOING SOME OF THE WORK, NOT NECESSARILY OVERNIGHT, BUT IN THE EVENING, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE'RE WORKING CLOSER TO WHITE WAY, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WORK MAY TAKE PLACE FROM EIGHT GOING TO EVEN NOT 11 OR 12. SO WE CAN SEQUENCE IT. SO WE'RE MINIMIZING DISTURBANCE. SO YOU'RE NOT ANTICIPATING IT WOULD BE GOING FROM 2 A.M. TO 4 A.M. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NO, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN ON PAGE ONE OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED TO US IN THE HARD COPY, IT SAYS THAT THE PLAN NOW IS TO COMPLETE THIS IN FEBRUARY OF 2027. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN A BIT OF A MOVING TARGET, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT. HOW COMFORTABLE ARE YOU WITH THAT? AND ARE WE TALKING BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY? ARE WE TALKING THE END OF FEBRUARY? CAN YOU SAY THE TARGET WOULD BE THE END OF FEBRUARY, AS WE HAVE SOME STOPPAGE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS FOR EVENTS AND OTHER UTILITIES I'M FORESEEING. SO KIND OF SHIFTED THE DATE OUT A LITTLE BIT FROM THEIR ORIGINAL ANTICIPATED DATE OF NOVEMBER. SO END OF FEBRUARY WOULD BE MORE REALISTIC. YES. OKAY. AND WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO ENSURE THAT THAT TARGET DOESN'T CONTINUE TO MOVE? WHAT SORT OF ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE OR WHAT DIFFERENT APPROACH THAT WE TAKE IN TO TRY TO GET THIS DONE THIS TIME? SO THE MAJORITY OF THE HEAVY, BURDENSOME WORK PROJECTS BEEN COMPLETED. WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT ON A NEW PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM, ATLAS CONSULTANTS, WHO'S WORKING MORE CLOSELY, DIRECTLY WITH MYSELF AND THE CONTRACTORS TO GET OUR SCHEDULING, GET AHEAD OF ANY KIND OF UNFORESEEN OBSTACLES. SO WE'RE WE'RE REALLY PUSHING THE TIMELINE TO GET THIS THING DONE BY FEBRUARY. SO WE'VE WE'VE HIRED A TEAM AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE ON HELPING SCHEDULING WITH THE CONTRACTOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AND JUST ONE QUESTION. ONCE THE PROJECTS ARE DONE IS THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM SERVICE THAT YOU'VE THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH.

DO THEY SUPPLY LIKE A LIKE A POSTMORTEM KIND OF POST PROJECT RECAP REPORT IN TERMS OF HOW THINGS WENT, HOW THE PROJECT WENT, SAVINGS THAT WE HAVE IN TIME? YES. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET DEVELOP LIKE A SUMMARY REPORT OF PROGRESS AND OBSTACLES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS. YES, DEFINITELY. ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELCOME. THE ASK TO COME BACK FOR THE WORK SESSION. OH, OKAY. BACK TO FIVE, SIX, EIGHT

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NINE. WE JUST FINISHED TEN AND THEN WE'LL GO TO. THE CITY MANAGER ITEMS FOR 36, 37 AND 39.

I MEAN 36, 37 AND 38. OKAY. SO ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND NUMBER SIX, I THOUGHT GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. YES, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THE CITY MANAGER. I KNOW ONE OF I THINK IT'S ITEM 36. IT TALKS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL NEW HR DIRECTOR. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO FOR THIS IS DEPENDING UPON US BRINGING ON THIS NEW HR DIRECTOR. I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO JUST SORT OF HAVE SOME INPUT ON THIS AND WHAT I'M SAYING, INPUT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS INFORMATION GETS OUT TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES PROPERLY.

THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE GRIEVANCE PROCESS IS, WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCESS FORMS, WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHISTLEBLOWER, HOW HOW IS THIS INFORMATION GOING TO BE COMMUNICATED? IS IT A DROP BOX SYSTEM? IS IT AN EMAIL TO JUST DROP IT INTO? IS IT A PHONE NUMBER THAT THEY NEED TO DIAL? SO I THINK FOR THOSE, OUR HR DIRECTOR WOULD BE BETTER SUITED AS FAR AS HOW WE NEED TO HANDLE THIS. I KNOW THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN SENT OUT. I WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE THE POLICY IS FOR WHISTLEBLOWER AND THE GRIEVANCE. IT HAS ALSO BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY, THROUGH. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS WELL. SO DEFINITELY ALL OF THE T'S HAVE BEEN CROSSED AND I'S DOTTED. SO I JUST JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT. THANK YOU, MISS TYLER. I'M I'M.

I'M SORRY IT'S LATE. JUST TO JUST WHAT HER RESPONSE IS GOING TO BE WITH REGARDS TO THE HR DIRECTOR, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, STILL VET THIS THROUGH A MAJOR DIRECTOR JUST TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DIRECTION SHE'D LIKE TO GO ABOUT GETTING THIS OUT TO ALL OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES. OKAY. SO YOU WANT US TO YOU WANT MISS MADAM CITY ACTING CITY MANAGER TO GO BEFORE ME. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THAT'S OKAY. SHE SAID SHE'D LIKE THE CITY MANAGER. ACTING CITY MANAGER TO GO BEFORE HER.

SO THEN. OKAY WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY. DISCIPLINE NUMBER TWO. OR IS THAT NUMBER 36 OR WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT ARE WE DOING? YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER. 36. EIGHT, EIGHT, NINE. GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN GO BACK TO 36. ALL RIGHT. EIGHT. NINE. YEP. WELL, SOMEONE HAD A

[III.8. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Direct Report Progressive Discipline Plan]

QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER EIGHT. BUT WHAT I HAVE ASKED IS THAT IN COMMUNICATING WITH MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, THAT IS STILL IN PROCESS. CORRECT. SO THAT. SO ONCE THAT DOCUMENT IS FINISHED, I'M JUST REQUESTING THAT IT GO OUT TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY NEED FURTHER INPUT FOR THE DIRECT REPORT, PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE PLAN, BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CONCERN WAS THE JUDGE. AND YOU CARE TO ELABORATE ON THAT FOR US? CERTAINLY. I HAVE ASSESSED THE POLICY AGAINST THE JQC RULES. I WAS MOVING ON TO THE BAR RULES FOR THE ATTORNEY AND, WELL, THAT IT WOULD BE THE ATTORNEY AND THE SOLICITOR. AND THEN THERE AREN'T ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF PROFESSIONAL. AGENCIES FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY CLERK. IT WOULD BE GOVERNED BY CONTRACT. AND SO IF YOU JUST PUT THIS ON FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER FOR ADOPTION, I THINK THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE. ALL RIGHT. AS LONG AS IT'S JUST SENT TO MEMBERS OF

[III.9. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Amending East Point Code § 8-2011 to Establish Extreme Weather Utility Disconnection Protections for Residential Customers]

COUNCIL WHEN IT'S COMPLETE. AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT. ITEM NUMBER NINE, SOMEONE REQUESTED THAT IT STAY ON. AND THAT WAS THE EXTREME WEATHER UTILITY DISCONNECTION PROTECTIONS FOR

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RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. I'LL YIELD. AT THIS TIME, I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS HAD A QUESTION. NUMBER NINE. I WAS I WAS REALLY AT THAT TIME, AND I THOUGHT I CLARIFIED WAS TALKING ABOUT NUMBER EIGHT. BUT NOW THAT YOU BRING THAT UP, I REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION AROUND THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE SAME NIGHT WE HAD, WE HAD ASKED TO HAVE THE ENTIRE UTILITY PROCEDURES LOOKED AT. SO LET ME GO THROUGH. YEAH, I CAN. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FOR THAT? I CAN DO THAT ON MONDAY. ALL RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE THAT, YES, THE INTENT WAS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER HEMMING AND FOR COUNCIL MEMBER ZIEGLER AT THE TIME, THEY DID WANT A COMPLETE OVERHAUL, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THAT, AND ONLY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED WITH HAVING THE UTILITY SERVICES CUT FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN EASTPOINT. I GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY ON THAT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PACKET.

SO THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT ONE PIECE. IT WASN'T A COMPLETE OVERHAUL. SO IF WE NEED TO WAIT OR PUT IT ON CONSENT, I'M FINE WITH THAT. BUT IT WASN'T A COMPLETE OVERHAUL. I DO REMEMBER THAT. DO WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN? MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS DRAFT OF AN ORDINANCE, AGAIN, IT WILL REQUIRE TWO READS OR A WAIVER OF THE FIRST READ WAS NOT A COMPLETE OVERHAUL. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE MORE OF A DISCUSSION, NOT JUST WITH LEGAL, NOT JUST WITH COUNCIL, BUT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND ALSO WITH THE DEPARTMENTS THAT THAT DO THIS CUSTOMER CARE, WATER POWER. SO THIS WAS SIMPLY TO ADDRESS HOW TO HANDLE DISCONNECTIONS DURING EXTREME WEATHER. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS DRAFT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE PSC REQUIRES OF THE UTILITIES THAT HAVE TO REPORT TO THEM. RIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT ON TO WAIVE THE FIRST READING, MADAM MAYOR. YEAH, THIS WAS JUST ADDRESSING THE DISCONNECTION. IT WASN'T ADDRESSING THE ENTIRE POLICY.

IT WAS WAS. AND THEN WE DO HAVE EXTREME WEATHER THAT WILL BE HAPPENING IN THE WINTER MONTHS.

SO THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THIS IS GOING TO GO ON FOR THE FIRST READING IN NOVEMBER. OKAY.

NOVEMBER AND. FIRST READING IS THE FIRST READING. AND NEXT MONTH. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUE AT THE SAME TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. SO THEN IF WE COULD PUT THE OVERHAUL ON THE WORK SESSION FOR NOVEMBER.

THE NOVEMBER WORK SESSION, THAT IS. THAT'S SOMETHING. SO WE COULD DO IT THEN LET'S SAY DECEMBER. ALL RIGHT. FOR DECEMBER. THANK YOU. OKAY, MADAM CITY ACTING CITY MANAGER.

FIVE AND SIX IS WITH CUMMINGS. SHE SAID SHE'LL GO AFTER THE THE MEETING. SO SO EXCUSE ME, MAYOR. YES. MR. LAWRENCE HAS BEEN WAITING. AND IF WE COULD DO 37 AND 38 AND I CAN DO 36 BY MYSELF. OH, I'M SORRY, IT DIDN'T SAY CITY. IT SAID CITY MANAGER FOR 37. 38. SO, MR.

[IV.37. HDL/GMA Revenue Advantage Program Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor HDL, Sole Source Procurement, for the HDL/GMA Revenue Advantage Program Administrative Services to Include Discovery/Compliance for Hotel and Alcohol Excise Tax and Short Term Rentals, in Addition to Audit and Collection Services, NOT TO EXCEED: $170,000 FUNDING SOURCE: City Manager Contingency Fund]

LAWRENCE, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE WAITING. SO IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THIS IS SIGNAL SO I CAN IF I SEE YOUR DEPARTMENT, THEN I KNOW TO CALL YOU UP WITHOUT IT, WE DON'T KNOW. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. IT'S QUITE ALRIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I JUST WANT TO ASSIST THE CITY MANAGER IN REGARDS TO NUMBER 37 HDL. JUST WANTED TO SEE IF, FOR INSTANCE, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A SOLE SOURCE. IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKAGE. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO GO ON CONSENT. AND THEN OF COURSE NUMBER 38 THROUGH THE RFQ THAT WE DID.

COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN. ROGER. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. I THOUGHT LOOKING AT ITEM NUMBER 36,

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PROFESSIONAL HUMAN RESOURCES. NO. ARE YOU DOING OKAY? NUMBER 37. IT TALKS ABOUT THE REVENUE ADVANTAGE PROGRAM. INCLUDE DISCOVERY COMPLIANCE FOR HOTEL AND ALCOHOL. DIDN'T WE SUPPORT.

WELL COUNCIL SUPPORTED GTS WHAT IS THEIR ROLE IN THIS? FOR TAX COLLECTION? IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT. WAS THAT JUST PROPERTY. YEAH. JUST PROPERTY TAXES IS JUST FOR PROPERTY TAXES. OKAY.

ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ATKINS? YES. MR. LAWRENCE, TO YOUR POINT, IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE OKAY, I'M OKAY WITH 37. I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSIONS AROUND HDL BEING ON CONSENT. BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NUMBER 38? WHAT WOULD THIS. OKAY. I MEAN, I GOT I WASN'T TRYING TO. OKAY. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE. SO THE WHOLE THE ALCOHOL EXERCISE EXCISE EXCISE TAX. WHAT IS THAT FOR? LICENSES FOR SERVING ALCOHOL. SO I CAN JUMP IN ON THAT MAYOR. I'M SORRY. SO BASICALLY HDL THEY'VE DONE A FEW PRESENTATIONS TO US.

THEIR PURPOSE IS TO HELP COLLECT OUTSTANDING MONIES THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING. IT'S NOT ONLY THE ALCOHOL. IN THE HOTEL REVENUE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO WILL BE MONITORING AND HELPING US TO ENFORCE SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH WE ARE NOT COLLECTING FEES. OKAY. AND THE WE HAVE THE LISTING OF THE, THE TAX, THE ALCOHOL TAX. AND IS THERE EVER ARE WE IS THAT THE SAME YEAR OVER YEAR. IS THAT THE IS IT CHANGING OR HAS IT CHANGED? NO. IF YOU IT'S IT'S ALL OUTLINED IN THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT. SO IT TALKS ABOUT THE AREAS FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK. SO THAT'S A NO OR YES. IT'S CHANGING OR IT HASN'T CHANGED. NO IT'S NOT CHANGED. THIS IS THIS WAS THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. I WAS JUST ASKING THE QUESTION AROUND NUMBER 38, THAT

[IV.38. Council Discussion and Possible Action on Vendor Business Central Solutions LLC (D/B/A Municipal Central), from RFQ No. 2026-1934, for Interim Municipal Accounting Services – Year-End Close & Audit Preparation, NOT TO EXCEED: $125,000.00 FUNDING SOURCE: Other Professional Fees]

CONTRACT. COULD YOU JUST GIVE US A LITTLE CONTEXT? YES, SIR. THE NUMBER 38 WAS IN REFERENCE TO HAVING A CPA COME AND BE IN HOUSE TO ASSIST THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WITH THE AUDITS.

OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I YIELD. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. SO THAT COVERS NUMBER 37.

NUMBER 38. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR. THANK YOU ALL. SO, COLLEAGUES, ARE WE MOVING THOSE TWO TO CONSENT? YES. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. CONSENT. SAY THAT AGAIN. I WOULD IMAGINE IT PROBABLY IS IN THE CONTRACT. ARE WE ON NUMBER 30? WHAT'S WHAT NUMBER ARE WE ON NOW? 36.

YES. OKAY. WHERE'S THE AUDIT UPDATE? THE AUDIT COMPANY IS MUNICIPAL CENTRAL. OKAY. WE

[IV.36. Council Discussion and Possible Action on the Emergency Selection of Professional Human Resources Services to Contract with Dr. Teaa Allston-Bing to Serve as Interim Human Resources Director, Pursuant to City Ordinance Section 4-3306, to Ensure the Continuity of Essential Human Resources Operations]

DIDN'T HAVE THE AUDIT UPDATE ON THIS ONE. OKAY. MADAM, CITY AND CITY MANAGER, I THINK YOU HAVE 36 NOW, RIGHT? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO YOU ALSO HAVE IN YOUR PACKET THE PROPOSAL FOR DOCTOR TIA AND BRINGS TO COME ON BOARD AS THE CONTRACT HR DIRECTOR. HER CONTRACT IS IN YOUR PACKET AND WE ARE ASKING AS AN EMERGENCY IF IT CAN BE APPROVED TONIGHT. IF IT CAN BE DOCTOR TABB WILL JOIN US WEDNESDAY OF THIS WEEK. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 36 CONTRACT FOR DOCTOR TIA AUSTIN BEING MAYOR PRO TEM. YES I DO. MY QUESTION IS MORE FOR CITY ATTORNEY TO SEE IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT AND KIND OF GET YOUR LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.

CERTAINLY I DID GET IT RECENTLY, SO I HAVE NOT GIVEN IT A DEEP DIVE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEED FOR THE SERVICES IS PRETTY URGENT. I THINK IF THE COUNCIL IS WILLING, YOU CAN DO A MOTION THAT APPROVES IT, SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW, WHICH WILL RESERVE THE ABILITY FOR ANY

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CHANGES, PROVIDED THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY. ON FIRST LOOK, THE TERM IS FINE BECAUSE THE INITIAL ENGAGEMENT IS ONLY FOR 90 DAYS, WHICH DOES NOT VIOLATE ANY RULES. IT ALSO GIVES US THE OPTION TO TERMINATE WITH 30 DAY NOTICE. THERE'S A PROVISION IN HERE FOR CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. AS YOU KNOW, FOR HR PROFESSIONALS. IT ALSO PROVIDES THAT THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR RELATIONSHIP. AGAIN, NOT TO ESTABLISH ANY VICARIOUS LIABILITY. THERE IS A SECTION IN HERE ABOUT PRIORITIES AND DELIVERABLES, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY LEGAL IMPLICATIONS. THAT'S BASICALLY WHATEVER IT IS THAT SHE HER SCOPE OF WORK, IF YOU WILL. SO ON FIRST LOOK, I DON'T SEE ANY IMMEDIATE ISSUES. I WOULD WANT TO ADD THAT. LIKELY A PROVISION ABOUT INDEMNIFICATION AND POTENTIALLY ONE THAT REQUIRES HER TO GO THROUGH E-VERIFY, SINCE SHE WILL BE WORKING ON CITY PROPERTY. BUT THOSE ARE STANDARD, STANDARD PROVISIONS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. YES. SO ONE OTHER QUESTION. THE TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED. DOES THAT INCLUDE ANY TYPE OF LIKE OVERTIME OR IS THAT JUST 40 HOURS A WEEK? WELL, IF SHE STAYS LATE THOUGH, SHE WOULD HAVE TO. I'M JUST WONDERING. IT WOULD BE OVERTIME.

RIGHT. IT'S. SO IN THE EVENT THAT SHE HAS TO APPEAR IN COUNCIL, SHE HAS TO SAY SHE WOULD IT WOULD IT WOULD BE BILLED AT A STRAIGHT RATE OF HER HOURLY RATE. OKAY, OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO SHE WOULDN'T GET TIME AND A HALF. THAT'S FOR AN EMPLOYEE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. DID WE ASK ABOUT A THE PLANNING AND I'M SORRY FOR LIKE OUR FIRST 30, 60, 90 WHEN SHE COMES IN. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS COVERED AS WELL? OH OKAY. NEVER MIND.

OKAY. NO HEARING, NO MORE ITEMS, I GUESS. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE ITEMS TONIGHT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. EXCUSE ME. MAYOR. GO AHEAD. I AM ASKING, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY ASK. I AM ASKING IF COUNCIL CAN VOTE AND APPROVE THIS TONIGHT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY WAS ALSO MENTIONING. THAT THERE'S A CLAUSE WE CAN INPUT. OKAY. DO WE NEED TO SUSPEND THE RULES OR SOMETHING FOR TONIGHT? NO. TO SUSPEND THE RULES, MADAM MAYOR. IT IS. IF THE COUNCIL IS SO WILLING, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT WITH DOCTOR AUSTIN BEING TO SERVE AS THE INTERIM HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR PENDING LEGAL REVIEW. OKAY. CAN WE SAY YOUR WORK SESSION POLICY PROVIDES THAT? IF IT IS SO NOTED ON THE AGENDA THAT IT REQUIRES COUNCIL APPROVAL ON THE WORK SESSION, THEN IT CAN BE DONE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE AGENDA ITEM SAYS IT'S AN EMERGENCY. OKAY, COUNCIL. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH DOCTOR TIA AUSTIN TO SERVE AS INTERIM HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED?

[Items III.5 & III.6]

FIVE AND SIX ARE. YES. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID. AND ON WEDNESDAY WE DO HAVE A INTERIM HR DIRECTOR. I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS JUST TO GO BEFORE HER, JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE THE GRIEVANCE POLICY AND THE WHISTLEBLOWER POLICY ARE PROPERLY VETTED, JUST HOW THEY'LL BE IMPLEMENTED FOR ALL EMPLOYEES SO THAT THEY WILL KNOW JUST WHAT THE PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD. SO. I DON'T KNOW, WOULD THERE BE A MOTION? I DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE TASK THAT THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO TELL HER. OKAY, SO WOULD YOU PLEASE SIT? THANK YOU. OKAY, SO FIVE AND SIX, EXCUSE ME. AND

[04:00:06]

MAYOR. MAYOR. YES. OVER HERE. THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER DIRECTIVE ASKED RATHER FROM COUNCIL THAT SHE. DOCTOR BIGGS, LOOK AT OUR HANDBOOK. THAT WAS A THAT WAS AN IMMEDIATE ASK AS WELL. SO I'M JUST REMINDING YOU KNOW, IT'S AN FYI BECAUSE I'M MAKING A LIST. SO I'M JUST KEEPING YOU GUYS INFORMED OF THE LIST. THANK YOU. HAD SOMETHING. YES. AND MADAM ACTING CITY ATTORNEY, I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. I'M SORRY, ACTING CITY MANAGER, I APOLOGIZE. I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THUMB THROUGH THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK. SO IF YOU COULD ALSO ADD THIS TO THE LIST OF TASKS, THE EMPLOYEE GRIEVANCE, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DON'T HAVE A RECOURSE OF ACTION. AND THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IF THE COMPLAINT INVOLVES LIKE, YEAH, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DON'T HAVE A RECOURSE OF ACTION, WHICH STEMS THAT LEADS TO COUNCIL RECEIVING EMAILS. AND THEN SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STRONG POLICY FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND IT SHOULD CLEARLY EXPLAIN WHO RECEIVES THE COMPLAINTS. ALL OF THE PARAMETERS SURROUNDING AN INVESTIGATION AND THE OUTCOME OF THOSE INVESTIGATIONS, AND HOW EMPLOYEES CAN APPEAL A DECISION.

THE OTHER THING IS THE WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION POLICY. HOW ARE EMPLOYEES PROTECTED FROM RETALIATION IN THE HANDBOOK? IT REALLY DIDN'T GIVE A GOOD DESCRIPTION ON IF THEY ARE WHISTLEBLOWERS, HOW ARE THEY PROTECTED? AND I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER CUMMINGS SAID, WHO SHOULD THEY REPORT THEIR CONCERNS TO WITHOUT FEAR OF LOSING THEIR JOBS, BEING TRANSFERRED, THREATENED OR PUNISHED? AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE IN THAT POLICY AN INDEPENDENT PROCESS FOR INVESTIGATING COMPLAINTS. AND THEN ALSO IN THAT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE POLICY, WHAT PROGRAMS CAN EMPLOYEES USE? THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION GIVEN AT GMA IN SAVANNAH. SO I'D LIKE FOR HER TO LOOK AT THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE POLICIES ACROSS THE BOARD, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE HANDBOOK, BUT I'M JUST NOT SURE LIKE WHAT ARE EMPLOYEES ALLOWED TO USE? BECAUSE IN DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO USE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THE EDUCATION WORLD, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO USE MICROSOFT COPILOT WHERE SOMEPLACE ELSE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO USE CHATGPT. AND THEN NOW I'M HEARING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER ONLINE RESOURCE, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT STRONGER.

AND SHOULD IT BE A REQUIREMENT. THAT IF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS USED, DO WE NOTIFY OR ARE WE TOLD AS A COUNCIL OR, HEY, I GOT THIS OFF OF CHATGPT, THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A GREAT IDEA. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ACROSS THE BOARD AS FAR AS THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE POLICY, AND THEN WHAT RECORDS DO WE KEEP IF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS USED? THAT WAS IT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE CONSISTENT PROTECTION FOR EMPLOYEES IN THE HANDBOOK, AND I JUST WASN'T ABLE TO FIND THAT INFORMATION. BUT IF YOU HAVE NOT CAPTURED ALL OF THIS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND IT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALSO, MAYOR, MAY I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER JACK JEFFREY HENNING, AND SHE'S ASKING IF DOCTOR TABB CAN LOOK INTO OUR 360 EVALUATION PROCESS AND SOFTWARE THAT WAS APPROVED IN FY 27. SO I'M JUST READING THAT INTO THE RECORD, AND I WILL PUT THAT ON THE LIST AS WELL. THANK YOU MADAM. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. YOU CAN'T A A ANY MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. GREAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT'S IT FOR OUR PACKET FOR THE NIGHT. DO WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION

[IV.39. Discussion and Possible Action on a Moratorium on Detention Facilities]

ITEM? 39039 I KNOW SHE ALREADY WENT OVER THAT. 139 DETENTION. OH, GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THE DISCUSSION OF THE

[04:05:06]

MORATORIUM ON DETENTION FACILITIES? ONE SECOND. YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKETS A DRAFT MORATORIUM REGARDING DETENTION FACILITIES. IT SIMPLY READS JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE A ZONING MORATORIUM. THE REASONS THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS IMPOSING THIS MORATORIUM, AND IT IS FOR THE PURPOSES OF NOT ALLOWING DETENTION FACILITIES TO SEEK ANY PERMITS. REZONINGS. LAND DEVELOPMENT ELDI BUILDING PERMITS, VARIANCE APPLICATIONS, OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS FOR A FACILITY OR CAMPUS. AND THAT DETENTION FACILITY IS DEFINED THEREIN AS WELL. IT IS FOR 180 DAYS, LIKE YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST WITH DATA CENTERS, WITH THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT, YOU GUYS WILL NEED TO COORDINATE IT, COORDINATE WITH STAFF, WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. IF IT IS A STRAIGHT PROHIBITION, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR ZONING CODE TO PROHIBIT. OR IF THERE IS SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OR ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO SEE, AND THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED. WHILE THE MORATORIUM IS IN PLACE FOR THE 180 DAYS, YOU ALSO HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST THAT THOSE MORATORIUMS CAN BE EXTENDED, PROVIDED WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO THE WORK. YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ZONING REWRITE HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY TO THIS. THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THEY CAN LOOK INTO. I'M NOT SURE IF THEIR SCOPE OF WORK AND HOW FAR THEY ARE WITH IT, TO SEE IF THIS CAN BE SOMETHING THEY CAN LOOK INTO TO MAYBE RECOMMEND SOME LANGUAGE AROUND MORATORIUMS ON THIS TYPE OF USE. LASTLY, I'LL SAY THAT IT HAS NO EFFECT ON ANY EXISTING.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OUR OWN. I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY OTHERS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON ANY EXISTING OR ANY PERMITS THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET FOR ROUTINE, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, REPAIR OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT DON'T EXPAND THE CAPACITY OR INTENSITY OF THE USE OR FOOTPRINT. THANK YOU. SO IS IT GOING TO BE CONSENT COUNSEL? GREAT. WHAT IS THE NEXT MOVE TO THE OCTOBER 19TH COMMENT? GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN ATKINS, I THINK THIS MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, YOU MAY BE AWARE OF THIS. THERE WAS A DECERTIFICATION OF A SOCIAL CIRCLE, GEORGIA, BY THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. I THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEIR STANCE ON DETENTION CENTERS AS WELL. AND THE STATE DECERTIFIED SOCIAL CIRCLE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE US AWARE OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND AS A RESULT, THEY'RE DECERTIFIED FOR ONE YEAR. THEY CANNOT RECEIVE ANY FUNDING FROM THE STATE. AND SO I'VE JUST GOT TO GET THE OTHER DETAILS. BUT I JUST REMEMBER THAT COMING UP. WAS IT THEM BEING DECERTIFIED AS A QUALIFIED MUNICIPALITY? YES. AND IT ALSO HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THERE WAS A ANNEXATION PIECE TO IT AS WELL. YEAH. SEE, I THINK THAT WAS THE TURNING PIECE. I'M LOOKING AT AN ARTICLE NOW TO SEE IF THAT WAS THE DETERMINING FACTOR. THEY HAD AN ANNEXATION REQUEST WHERE THEY WANTED THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO BE A PART OF SOCIAL CIRCLE, AS OPPOSED TO BEING IN NEWTON IN THE UNINCORPORATED. RIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS AN ARBITRATION AND A STATE MANDATED MANDATED MEDIATION PROCESS OVER THE ANNEXATION, LIKELY HAD A REZONING ATTACHED TO IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT USUALLY TRIGGERS THE ARBITRATION PROVISION OF THE STATE LAW. I REALLY WANT TO SAY, AND I CAN DO MORE RESEARCH ON THIS BEFORE YOU GUYS DECIDE ON THIS RESOLUTION ON NEXT WEEK, THAT IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH HOW THAT ANNEXATION AND THE DISPUTE WITH THE COUNTY HAPPENED THAN IT DID

[04:10:03]

WITH THEM PASSING A RESOLUTION REGARDING THEIR STANCE ON DETENTION FACILITIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO'S PASSED CORRECT DETENTION FACILITY. AND I KNEW THAT THERE WAS AN ANNEXATION COMPONENT TO IT AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO THANK YOU.

JUST THAT I THINK SOCIAL CIRCLE WAS DATA CENTERS AS OPPOSED TO DETENTION CENTERS, DATA CENTERS.

YEAH. MAY BE MAY HAVE BEEN DATA CENTERS. COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS JUST WHAT YOU ASKED, SO I APOLOGIZE. IT'S ON. SO I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS THE SAME QUESTION. BUT THE THING THAT CAME UP WAS THE PART OF THE RESOLUTION THAT SAYS NOT OWNED OR OPERATED BY CITY OR FULTON COUNTY. IS THAT WHAT HE JUST ASKED? NO. OH, THAT'S NEW INFORMATION THAT YES, THAT IS IN THERE, THAT THIS DOES NOT IMPACT GOVERNMENT TO LEE OWNED FACILITIES. IT SAID, SAY IT AGAIN ONE MORE TIME. THIS DOES NOT IMPACT GOVERNMENTALLY OWNED FACILITIES. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT FULTON THE THE QUESTION THAT COMES UP IS IF FULTON COUNTY OWNS A FACILITY, CAN THEY LEASE IT TO A DETENTION? WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL THE COUNTY WHO THEY CAN LEASE IT TO, BUT WHEN THAT LEASE HOLDER COMES IN FOR THE NECESSARY PERMITS TO OPERATE, THAT'S WHEN THIS WOULD BE TRIGGERED. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL, ARE WE READY TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? ARE WE GOING TO CONSENT? IS THAT THE CONSENSUS OR DID YOU SAY TO HOLD OFF? I DIDN'T HEAR I WANT TO RESEARCH THE DECERTIFICATION PIECE, SO I WOULD LEAVE IT TO YOU GUYS IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT ON THERE WITH THE HOPES THAT MY RESEARCH SAYS THAT WE WON'T BE IMPACTED, OR IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM OR ON A DIFFERENT DAY, IT'S. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS THIS WILL BE A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM FOR MONDAY COUNCIL. I MEAN, CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO

[V. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

EXECUTIVE SESSION? OKAY. SO ANY ITEMS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. GO AHEAD. MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, I HAVE TWO PERSONNEL FOR LEGAL. OKAY. FIVE LEGAL. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCILWOMAN CUMMINGS. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY. COUNCILWOMAN. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. COUNCILWOMAN, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? WHAT WAS YOUR AMOUNT? WHAT DID YOU HAVE? ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN MITCHELL. COUNCILMAN ATKINS, COUNCILWOMAN MARTIN ROGERS, COUNCILWOMAN CALDWELL. COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCILWOMAN.

FREELY. COUNCIL. I MEAN. ACTING CITY MANAGER. OKAY. AND I THINK I HAVE TWO PERSONS, BUT THREE, I THINK I HAVE TWO PERSONNEL, BUT YOU HAVE TWO. YEAH. TWO PERSONNEL. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, SO, MADAM MAYOR, FIVE PERSONNEL AND FIVE LEGAL. YEAH. WELL, THAT WAS I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR FIVE PERSONNEL AND FIVE LEGAL SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. DO WE HAVE. MAKE A MOTION TO RECONVENE? ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. SO I HAVE A MOTION TO PROCEED AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AS IT RELATES TO EPD. CONSENT ORDER. SO MOVED. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. THE MOTION CARRIES.

NEXT WE HAVE A MOTION TO PROCEED AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WITH RESPECT TO THE OVERPAYMENT. SO MOVED. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

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ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AND NEXT WE HAVE A MOTION TO PROCEED AS THIS. MOTION TO PROCEED AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AS IT RELATES TO THE PERSONNEL MATTER. SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MOTION TO APPROVE.

EXECUTIVE SESSION MINUTES. SO MOVED. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

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